Budget is a true Cafe Racer. Cafe racers were budget builds not so much on a style but more on a function. Expensive is a modern take that has to many rules that werent around back in the day of the actual cafe racers era. Modern cafe racers are more retro restore with a small dash of cafe racer.
Great video! The chart graphic was 👌 You could spend all day on each category and never have a clear winner which drives home the point at the end. Build what you want.
Great vid guys, both bikes are bad ass! I loved learning all about your bikes, both a true labor of love and keepers for life.. I bet they’re both a blast to ride, new sub here from Philadelphia!
Great video! I have a Cafe Racer, CB750, and the pleasure of riding it (despite the problems of rebuilding and maintaining an oldie) it's simple different of a modern bike. See you in your next video
@@coppernite hey thanks so much for the comment and watching along! Great to hear a fellow cb750 rider out there. As you may or may not know that’s my favorite motorcycle of all time! (Well there are others) but the 750 has a special place in my heart!
Another aspect is that we have bikes that are very easy to modify, which come with many factory accessories or even a removable sub-chassis, which opens up incredible possibilities, especially in countries where legislation does not favor customization, or even with serious limitations. economical, and cutting down a motorcycle is not a very interesting decision in terms of assets. A phenomenon that I have noticed here in Brazil is that with the arrival of neo-classic motorcycles, there is a booming market for small customized motorcycles, such as the Bendita Macchina workshop, which nowadays mainly deals with electric bicycles than with the small motorcycles of the past.
First, I enjoyed the vid, thanks. I've been riding an XS650 for 41 years and have several of them. For the first one, I paid $1,800 for a new XS650 from the dealer. For another I found in the junk yard, $30. Another for $50 and the rest were free. Condition ranged from very rough to very nice. All that said, I believe the XS650 presented here could fetch around $2K on any given day depending upon location. Maybe more if it were stock, maybe you lose some for the high mileage. Where I differ with you is the "Invest" score for the Honda. At $25K, finding a buyer to pay that could take a very long time to find if he or she even showed up at all. I can still buy a new Thruxton for a lot less than that. So, if you have $15K in parts and you want to move it quickly, you're going to take a big hit. I wish you could prove me wrong and encourage you to do so.
@@jetmechmarty hey man! Thanks for tuning in pleasure to have you. We appreciate you watching and taking part. Super fun! Regarding price of 25k, you’re not wrong in any capacity! If i was just an individual building a bike that has 15k of just parts invested, it would take forever to probably sell and find somebody willing to pay. However, to tell you the truth I do this for a living and finding people is not the hard part. The hard part is not being able to build quick enough. And listen I’m not saying this to be like “I’m the best i can sell it for that” no not any stretch. I’d be very naive and boastful. What i will say tho, is that I’ve spent years establishing my style and name into this ecosystem and that is marketing. Meaning, people follow me and seek me out for my style and builds therefore Finding someone is not a problem. Furthermore, i have a long list of potential buyers lined up for when I’m ready to sell. What i forgot to truly mention for the new viewers and new subscribers was that i do this for a living so my mistake and now thinking back i see where you and others are coming from. Hope this helps man! Keep riding be safe and hope to see you back for more videos! Cheers
I love you guys man. I'm a huge huge Cafe Racer aesthetic guy myself. I started on a GS500 that I turned to a scrambler. Sold that for a 2024 XSR900. I miss the raw analog feeling of my first bike. I recently picked up a 78 XS750 and a 79 GS850 and I think soon to add to the collection a Honda CB900.. Will have some videos of them soon on my channel would love to hear your guys opinions. God Speed, Ride Safe brothers.
High vs low budget is always a cool conversation but, I feel like you could’ve had better comparison categories. I.e. Compromises or safety: is saving money on ebay handlebars worth compromising safety, performance? What parts are okay to save money on vs which ones should a builder buy the best quality they can afford? For a “low budget” build, where do you guys think money is best spent? Stuff like that. I’ve done a few $3,000 and $15,000+ builds and there’s places I’ll make compromises for the sake of a budget and places I refuse to go “cheap” on. Just my 2 cents, keep up the great work guys!
I agree. I'm certainly a builder on a budget myself. Knowing where to go cheap and where not to is important. The call out about the shocks being budget but still better than 40 year old original equipment is a perfect example of this.
@@codybisnett3288 listen man! I totally agree. We wanted to make a fun video to start and depending on the interest go into a part 2 on more specific more thought out topics that people may want to hear. All great points and i really appreciate you participating in the discussion!! Thank you for the encouragement man really means a lot cheers 🍻
For a few years I maintained a blog specializing in cafe racers here in Brazil from 2013 to 2020 or so. Without false modesty, I had some influence. Here, the motorcycle that was most representative was the Honda CB 400 (hawk in the US), followed by the Honda CG 125 and Suzuki GN125. I saw a lot of incredible garage projects and a lot of shit done by "experts". However, what I want to get at is that in practical terms, nowadays we are very well served by Triumphs, Royal Enfields, Kawasakis and many other neoclassics. At least here the problems that we commonly face end up not paying off in the overwhelming majority of cases. These are bikes that with a few adjustments can become sexy and unique, but obviously a little of the "cafe racer culture" is lost in this ease, but today both financially. As for practicality, usability it is worth going for a new or pre-owned motorcycle. Unless the budget is very small, then a small 125 motorcycle can be an excellent base. However, if you have read this far, I will end this long comment by contradicting myself: Sometimes the hardest path provides the best stories.
@@DouglasStudzinskideSouza this was a wonderfully written comment. Thanks for sharing man! Would love to connect and talk cafe racers and the passion we have for the community! Thanks for taking the time to watch and join in on the discussion
@milezero.racers thought I should start putting bikes on my you tube .fazer and k100 on there .need to practice my filming skills .looking forward to club sport v2
I've never ridden a comfortable cruiser . Any bike I've ever ridden with forward foot rests and high bars is killing my coxis before the first gas station .
@@paulwhite7475 ahahahhaa wowwww that’s awesome to hear…. Well not awesome for your cox however awesome to hear that really most bikes are kinda uncomfortable lol. This was great
I agreed with everything until the investment topic. I’m on building a Honda CB750 and I’d say I haven’t built it on a tight budget but I also haven’t gone mad. I’ve invested quite a bit on good tyres and other things I have deemed important. The bike here in your video that was 15k is ridiculous in my opinion. I fully understand value has many perspectives and I can only really give my own but it begs the question; is the expensive one really worth 3x more than the budget one? Of course you can tally up the value of the parts off the shelf but the non tangible element….is it really worth 3x more? I must live in a very different mindset but I’d think someone was crazy if they bought that for 20-25k. I suppose something is only worth what someone is willing to pay and some people out there will hand over cash for things others would consider ridiculous. Nice discussion nonetheless 👌
@@Felixmfox hey man! Thanks for the interest and bringing the discussion in real life. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and opinion while also being respectful! Regarding investment and me making the claim of the CB 450 being 2 or 3X more than what I put into is not insane if you know what I do for a business. I build world class custom bikes and have built a reputation that i try to live up to. Granted I build 1 maybe 2 bikes a year at the highest caliber which when you pair the influence I’ve created with the final outcome of these bikes it’s not uncommon for builds such as these to sell for over 30k. However, if i didn’t do this for a living and just invested 15k to build a bike and try to sell it for 30 K then yeah I would say that would be crazy and probably not doable. But again since I do this for a living it is a bit different and much more calculated. And yes, something is worth whatever anybody is willing to pay and therefore i only deal with customers who are fully aware, interested, and willing! Cheers
@@milezero.racers nice context into the pricing, I had the same thought as the oc cause like who in the right mind would buy a fully custom restoration for 3x the price from some random person. But in your case when you factor in that you do it as a business and already have a customer base you can really sell it for whatever price you want.
I mean i can appreciate that and i can probably say that 4x is a stretch. But 2x for sure and depending on the buyer 3x is not out of the equation. It’s not uncommon for a build like the 450 or especially the 750 to sell for 30k+
Those of us who do this professionally wouldn't be doing it if we couldn't get a return on our investments. We need to keep the lights on. That 4x figure is not including labor which needs to be considered. Thomas is absolutely right here, coming from actual experience.
The idea of budget is not budget in my book a budget bike is under 1000 everything included. Either way both bikes would be a hard sale you don't build a custom for a future cash flow, custom stuff is built for your own enjoyment, and selling custom stuff is a gamble. Again a collector bike one worth money is bone stock low miles any restoration makes the bike worth less.
Dude we just wanted to make a video talking about the similarities and some differences between the 2 styles. lol why you feel so inclined to make such strong remarks. I mean you are free to say whatever but to go out of your way to not only comment once but twice… hahah means the video must have been decent enough for you to clearly watch it closely 😂
Budget is a true Cafe Racer. Cafe racers were budget builds not so much on a style but more on a function. Expensive is a modern take that has to many rules that werent around back in the day of the actual cafe racers era. Modern cafe racers are more retro restore with a small dash of cafe racer.
@@Chickenmulletprawn yeah you’re not wrong at all. And that’s the point of the video. Build what you love. It doesn’t matter
Great video! The chart graphic was 👌
You could spend all day on each category and never have a clear winner which drives home the point at the end. Build what you want.
@@BrickHouseBuilds thanks bj! It’s so true no real winner it just comes down to do what you love
Both beautiful bikes fellas
Build what you love is so apt
Great vid guys, both bikes are bad ass! I loved learning all about your bikes, both a true labor of love and keepers for life.. I bet they’re both a blast to ride, new sub here from Philadelphia!
@@jimmansi1187 hey Jim! What a pleasure to have you here. Glad you enjoyed the video and you’re spot on man! Cheers see you in the next episode! 💪
Thanks for another video boys! This shows a lot of great perspective
@@rac300 dude!! Thank you for the encouragement and support. Means the world. Got lots of content dropping soon
Great video! I have a Cafe Racer, CB750, and the pleasure of riding it (despite the problems of rebuilding and maintaining an oldie) it's simple different of a modern bike. See you in your next video
@@coppernite hey thanks so much for the comment and watching along! Great to hear a fellow cb750 rider out there. As you may or may not know that’s my favorite motorcycle of all time! (Well there are others) but the 750 has a special place in my heart!
Another aspect is that we have bikes that are very easy to modify, which come with many factory accessories or even a removable sub-chassis, which opens up incredible possibilities, especially in countries where legislation does not favor customization, or even with serious limitations. economical, and cutting down a motorcycle is not a very interesting decision in terms of assets. A phenomenon that I have noticed here in Brazil is that with the arrival of neo-classic motorcycles, there is a booming market for small customized motorcycles, such as the Bendita Macchina workshop, which nowadays mainly deals with electric bicycles than with the small motorcycles of the past.
First, I enjoyed the vid, thanks. I've been riding an XS650 for 41 years and have several of them. For the first one, I paid $1,800 for a new XS650 from the dealer. For another I found in the junk yard, $30. Another for $50 and the rest were free. Condition ranged from very rough to very nice. All that said, I believe the XS650 presented here could fetch around $2K on any given day depending upon location. Maybe more if it were stock, maybe you lose some for the high mileage. Where I differ with you is the "Invest" score for the Honda. At $25K, finding a buyer to pay that could take a very long time to find if he or she even showed up at all. I can still buy a new Thruxton for a lot less than that. So, if you have $15K in parts and you want to move it quickly, you're going to take a big hit. I wish you could prove me wrong and encourage you to do so.
@@jetmechmarty hey man! Thanks for tuning in pleasure to have you. We appreciate you watching and taking part. Super fun! Regarding price of 25k, you’re not wrong in any capacity! If i was just an individual building a bike that has 15k of just parts invested, it would take forever to probably sell and find somebody willing to pay. However, to tell you the truth I do this for a living and finding people is not the hard part. The hard part is not being able to build quick enough. And listen I’m not saying this to be like “I’m the best i can sell it for that” no not any stretch. I’d be very naive and boastful. What i will say tho, is that I’ve spent years establishing my style and name into this ecosystem and that is marketing. Meaning, people follow me and seek me out for my style and builds therefore Finding someone is not a problem. Furthermore, i have a long list of potential buyers lined up for when I’m ready to sell. What i forgot to truly mention for the new viewers and new subscribers was that i do this for a living so my mistake and now thinking back i see where you and others are coming from. Hope this helps man! Keep riding be safe and hope to see you back for more videos! Cheers
I have to say the budget cafe racer is still pretty nice !
It’s a fantastic bike!!!
I love you guys man. I'm a huge huge Cafe Racer aesthetic guy myself. I started on a GS500 that I turned to a scrambler. Sold that for a 2024 XSR900. I miss the raw analog feeling of my first bike. I recently picked up a 78 XS750 and a 79 GS850 and I think soon to add to the collection a Honda CB900.. Will have some videos of them soon on my channel would love to hear your guys opinions. God Speed, Ride Safe brothers.
High vs low budget is always a cool conversation but, I feel like you could’ve had better comparison categories. I.e. Compromises or safety: is saving money on ebay handlebars worth compromising safety, performance? What parts are okay to save money on vs which ones should a builder buy the best quality they can afford? For a “low budget” build, where do you guys think money is best spent? Stuff like that. I’ve done a few $3,000 and $15,000+ builds and there’s places I’ll make compromises for the sake of a budget and places I refuse to go “cheap” on. Just my 2 cents, keep up the great work guys!
That could be a good part 2. Lots of discussions could be had
@@BrickHouseBuilds Seriously, I could talk for hours about building bikes lol, don’t tempt me with a good time.
I agree. I'm certainly a builder on a budget myself. Knowing where to go cheap and where not to is important. The call out about the shocks being budget but still better than 40 year old original equipment is a perfect example of this.
@@codybisnett3288 listen man! I totally agree. We wanted to make a fun video to start and depending on the interest go into a part 2 on more specific more thought out topics that people may want to hear. All great points and i really appreciate you participating in the discussion!! Thank you for the encouragement man really means a lot cheers 🍻
@@codybisnett3288 haha so true man! I can too!
For a few years I maintained a blog specializing in cafe racers here in Brazil from 2013 to 2020 or so. Without false modesty, I had some influence. Here, the motorcycle that was most representative was the Honda CB 400 (hawk in the US), followed by the Honda CG 125 and Suzuki GN125. I saw a lot of incredible garage projects and a lot of shit done by "experts". However, what I want to get at is that in practical terms, nowadays we are very well served by Triumphs, Royal Enfields, Kawasakis and many other neoclassics. At least here the problems that we commonly face end up not paying off in the overwhelming majority of cases. These are bikes that with a few adjustments can become sexy and unique, but obviously a little of the "cafe racer culture" is lost in this ease, but today both financially. As for practicality, usability it is worth going for a new or pre-owned motorcycle. Unless the budget is very small, then a small 125 motorcycle can be an excellent base. However, if you have read this far, I will end this long comment by contradicting myself: Sometimes the hardest path provides the best stories.
@@DouglasStudzinskideSouza this was a wonderfully written comment. Thanks for sharing man! Would love to connect and talk cafe racers and the passion we have for the community! Thanks for taking the time to watch and join in on the discussion
Good video and very true on all points .Just remember calibre not caliper lol
Hahahaha awesome. I appreciate that 😂 that made me laugh. Ehhh what are ya gonna do
@@milezero.racers last project yamaha fazer budget and been riding it .bmw k100 next going high end ish lol
@ k100 are nice
@milezero.racers thought I should start putting bikes on my you tube .fazer and k100 on there .need to practice my filming skills .looking forward to club sport v2
I feel the Honda will be bit more reliable, and looks great, the Yamaha 650 power and torque might be out front in performance🤠
These assumptions are dead correct! The xs has a bit more power for sure. Especially top speed. And the 450 is much more comfortable and reliable
I've never ridden a comfortable cruiser . Any bike I've ever ridden with forward foot rests and high bars is killing my coxis before the first gas station .
@@paulwhite7475 ahahahhaa wowwww that’s awesome to hear…. Well not awesome for your cox however awesome to hear that really most bikes are kinda uncomfortable lol. This was great
I agreed with everything until the investment topic.
I’m on building a Honda CB750 and I’d say I haven’t built it on a tight budget but I also haven’t gone mad. I’ve invested quite a bit on good tyres and other things I have deemed important.
The bike here in your video that was 15k is ridiculous in my opinion. I fully understand value has many perspectives and I can only really give my own but it begs the question; is the expensive one really worth 3x more than the budget one? Of course you can tally up the value of the parts off the shelf but the non tangible element….is it really worth 3x more? I must live in a very different mindset but I’d think someone was crazy if they bought that for 20-25k. I suppose something is only worth what someone is willing to pay and some people out there will hand over cash for things others would consider ridiculous.
Nice discussion nonetheless 👌
@@Felixmfox hey man! Thanks for the interest and bringing the discussion in real life. I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and opinion while also being respectful! Regarding investment and me making the claim of the CB 450 being 2 or 3X more than what I put into is not insane if you know what I do for a business. I build world class custom bikes and have built a reputation that i try to live up to. Granted I build 1 maybe 2 bikes a year at the highest caliber which when you pair the influence I’ve created with the final outcome of these bikes it’s not uncommon for builds such as these to sell for over 30k. However, if i didn’t do this for a living and just invested 15k to build a bike and try to sell it for 30 K then yeah I would say that would be crazy and probably not doable. But again since I do this for a living it is a bit different and much more calculated. And yes, something is worth whatever anybody is willing to pay and therefore i only deal with customers who are fully aware, interested, and willing! Cheers
@@milezero.racers nice context into the pricing, I had the same thought as the oc cause like who in the right mind would buy a fully custom restoration for 3x the price from some random person. But in your case when you factor in that you do it as a business and already have a customer base you can really sell it for whatever price you want.
Im guessin angelo is more realistic with a return investment prediction lol. 4x for the cb dude. Come on
I mean i can appreciate that and i can probably say that 4x is a stretch. But 2x for sure and depending on the buyer 3x is not out of the equation. It’s not uncommon for a build like the 450 or especially the 750 to sell for 30k+
Those of us who do this professionally wouldn't be doing it if we couldn't get a return on our investments. We need to keep the lights on. That 4x figure is not including labor which needs to be considered. Thomas is absolutely right here, coming from actual experience.
@@BrickHouseBuilds hahahaha so true
The idea of budget is not budget in my book a budget bike is under 1000 everything included. Either way both bikes would be a hard sale you don't build a custom for a future cash flow, custom stuff is built for your own enjoyment, and selling custom stuff is a gamble. Again a collector bike one worth money is bone stock low miles any restoration makes the bike worth less.
@@adrianquaife9531 yes you’re correct however I do this for a living and people seek me out to buy custom builds. Different than just a one off.
This has got to b the stupidest comparison ive ever heard, sorry i hate to b rude, it would make sense if u each gave comparison on both bikes,
Dude we just wanted to make a video talking about the similarities and some differences between the 2 styles. lol why you feel so inclined to make such strong remarks. I mean you are free to say whatever but to go out of your way to not only comment once but twice… hahah means the video must have been decent enough for you to clearly watch it closely 😂