@@markmilitant or maybe it's rarely like this because the *right* (starting with Paul Weyrich and Jerry Falwell) intentionally made it a divisive issue.
Look the party against abortion is also against universal health care, living wage, increased social programs, education etc etc. So talk that sh*t about supporting woman if you want but their vote tells me different.
Forget the parties. Have you ever talked to an actual person who views abortion as violence? Most, if not all, are in favor of promoting conscious choice and responsibility when it comes to sexual behavior, promoting healthy parenthood (for both the mom and the dad, which means present fathers and nurturing mothers.) A lot of them also adopt. How is this bad?
Exactly! This is so true. I think it is hypocritical for Republicans to bring up these issues now. The Build Back Better Bill attempted to solve some of these issues. Did the Republicans vote for the bill or try to negotiate with Democrats? NO. They have had multiple opportunities to address family issues and flatly refuse to.
@@Gravitality I am an adoptive mother. I am eternally grateful that their birth mothers chose to bring them into the world. However, I'm also thankful they did not live in a country where they were forced to do so under the threat of a punitive law.
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve had so many conversations with pro life friends and colleagues yet their voting choices don’t reflect the social programs, spending etc that would be required. I generally walk away thinking you can’t have it both ways folks
While I appreciate a civil conversation on a difficult topic I’m deeply disappointed that broader issues of abortion as healthcare weren’t discussed. Plenty of women want their pregnancy but ectopic pregnancies, untenable fetal development or rape and incest victims will all see their access to healthcare curtailed. It’s outrageous that doctors have to stand by and wait for a woman to be in medical distress before they can provide healthcare.
You can thank the women that use abortion as birth control for that. People just have to keep pushing things further. I really doubt there would be much opposition to abortion in cases of rape and the mother is in danger.
@@Tom-cz9op while I appreciate your opinion I think we would all do well to remember we never know someone else’s life or situations. Assuming that a woman doesn’t know what’s best for herself is a form of condescension I find hard to abide.
@@oliviatrelles as a member of society it is our duty to protect others from harm,, especially a baby. Why do we protect all other stages of a life other than the unborn?
@@Tom-cz9op now now don’t be hypocritical. We don’t protect all other stages of life and to say so seems naive at best. Any country that allows mass shootings at elementary schools can hardly be said to protect life at all stages. And yes we do allow that because we’ve decided that a constitutional amendment that was made when muskets were the weapon of choose and couldn’t possibly have accounted for semi automatic guns is again naive at best. You’ve actually hit upon my main issue with this entire debate. There is a stark contrast between prolife and probirth. I realize it may seem that I’m fanning the flames of division here but please before replying ask yourself, do you vote every single time to support all stages of life? That includes guns, immigration, welfare etc. every. single. time.
@@Tom-cz9op Believe, no woman "uses" abortion on a consistent basis as birth control. A box of condoms is much cheaper. That said, sometimes people get a little nutty and forget to use birth control in the heat of the moment.
I can respect the lady who actually disapproves of the death penalty in addition to being anti abortion, however I think it's hypocritical that she says that, but agrees with forcing women to carry to term even if it's traumatic, like rape or medical complications or mental/financial stability. That just doesn't sit right with me. If you're against violence, you should be FOR helping victims and survivors as well.
I am glad you can respect her because I absolutely cannot for the same logic. THE assailant has a right to force his victim to carry his violent discharge IN HER MIND. TO ME THAT IS WRONG. NEVER will this be acceptable.
And frankly she 100% ignores the political reality in Red States. They will not increase any support services or healthcare. Eventually they will just start demonizing unwed mothers AGAIN and try to pressure people into unwanted marriages to raise their unwanted child together.
@@tigerlilly9038 To clarify, I only respect the correlation of anti abortion and anti death penalty because most Christians say 'all live is sacred' and 'an eye for and eye' in the same breath. HOWEVER, it's hypocritical to be against violence but condone the birth of a child who was conceived through violence and nonconsent. It doesn't make sense and is frankly disgusting.
At the very least that one makes a little more sense than some that still approve death penalty. Plus, i'd like to remind them that not even the unborn is innocent in their religion. Since they need to be cleared of the Original Sin.
The anti-abortion woman in blue says to give the women what they need, give the choice to the states. No. To give the women what they need, give the choice to the women. This is so personal. It should never have been made a political issue
Yes, "Let the states decide" is the most disingenuous position. It is a decoy, because that person knows it is even easier to prohibit abortions in most states. I'm glad she was called out for her hypocrisy: "When you were growing up, you were told abortion was the only choice. Now you want forced pregnancy to be the only choice."
@@UnconventionalReasoning I think banning abortion makes it fair for both sexes. Before if a man wasn't ready to raise or support a kid but the woman did, he had no choice or say in the matter. When the kid was born he had to be involved to some degree with child support or physically being there. Or else he'd be demonised as a dead beat. When a woman wasnt ready to have the kid she gets an abortion and is brave When in both cases they wanted to avoid responsibility for their actions. Only now women finally feel what men have been going through, to have a kid come When you're not ready without you having a say in the matter. Now one gets a say in the matter, makes it fair and equal in my eyes...
@@judithdiraddo4162 it’s always seen this way when pro life individuals bite their words and opinions and simply observe and through short sentences in here and there
From a western European view, it's insane that abortion is such an extreme topic. We have a nuanced view, that abortion should be up to 18 weeks. Everything in the US is presented as either yes or no. Abortion is a complex subject.
@@rtlkfcb Surely "up to 18 weeks" is the very opposite of arbitrary. Those who have "late abortions" in the Netherlands are less than 3% of cases and usually if the mother's life is at risk. Also worth saying, the Netherlands has a far superior healthcare system than the US. Maternal deaths here is extremely rare.
@@amark350 If your opinion on abortion is that it’s simple, then I don’t think you’ve thought about it very long or have talked to many pregnant people, regardless of your opinion of the ethics or your moral fortitude.
The time has come to remove tax exempt status from all churches, Federally. If religious groups want to play politics, put them on defense fighting to remain financially viable.
Okay that will make the largest church the most powerful and establish a state church. How about all the evangelicals and Quakers that ended slavery? William Wilberforce fought slavery. How about black churches in the 60s and the civil rights movement? Those people shouldn't have the right to petition their government. Maybe you should pay the church people for their charity work like they do in Europe since you want a state church.
Is freedom about Choice? Does a government really have the right to tell people what they can and can’t do with their bodies? Isn’t your personal beliefs just that your personal beliefs? If you don’t agree with something simply don’t participate in it. Why are you so arrogant as to think that your opinion and point of view should affect every single woman in the country? Are you going to be helping these women? Are you going to be supporting these women? It’s their body. It’s their right. They have the right to choose and keep your beliefs in your house, not in our politics.
Thank you!!! No one's telling them what to do with their healthcare or taking away their rights! I love how religious people always use it as an excuse but are like some of the meanist people I have ever met and most judgemental. Not all! But it's like being pro life but anti same sex marriage. One supports the other! If your saving a baby theres a chance it could be gay so why save them if your going to hate them later and harass them? It makes no sense! A mother could decide to keep her baby and later down the road be disowned bt the entire family for their sexual preference. Alot of gay men and women commit suicide from all the judgment so should those people be held accountable that harrased them to that point? I feel like yes! Sorry I went on a rant 🤣 but really thank you ☺️
Not if it really is about the termination of an innocent human being. You also are against my killing of a 5 year old child, obviously. Why do I not have that right? Keep your beliefs in your house, not in our politics.
can you go around killing other people? its ur body thats doing the killing, right? can we limit ur actuons that hurt others? yes. aborting a fetus means terminating a human life. its not your body, it’s temporarily inside ur body.
But it should not be decided at the states "Through the legislators and reps" as some are saying. It should be dicided at the state level through the people via a direct vote in ballot initiatives "do you support abortion? Yes or no? Governors should not be deciding for everyone because lets be honest you can have more individuals in support of abortion, or gun laws, or whatever at the state level. However, gerrymandering can allow a republican like Ron Desantis to win and hence a enacting laws that the majority of the people do not want. All the republicans from the top down for decades have been passing these gerrymandered voting maps. I have never seen a more maniacally unfair, cheating, dishonest, group of so called Christians in my life.
this is exactly what I’ve been saying. Like why is one singular individual with their own singular bias trying to make the decision for a large complex group of people with different situations of which they do not understand? Especially when that person isn’t even a woman and doesn’t understand the pain and struggle of pregnancy, the excruciating pain of childbirth, or what it’s like to be apart of a marginalized group, to spend the entire lives in the corrupt foster care system, or raised under poor or traumatic circumstances? They don’t understand what it’s like so they shouldn’t be in charge of that situation. It should be down to the individual who understands the complications of their circumstances, to make that decision. And although voting does allow for a more diversified opinion, it should still be down to the individual to decide, because those other voters still would never be able to understand that individuals circumstance.
There is no valid legislative position but pro-choice. Holding a referendum doesn't really assist in this. Just give the women the choice to abort or not. Those who are already pro-life can just decide to never abort no matter what. It doesn't make sense to hold a referendum for what should be a personal decision. The states can also address sex education and other things that might affect a person's decision to abort, but the state should not be dictating what a women can do with their body.
@@katiez688 I agree but if it has to be a choice between either 1 politician and the majority of the people voting on the issue. Then I'd rather it be the voters in a ballot initiative. 9 times out of 10 if the voters vote on that issues or any issues for that matter then it would pass because Dems or progressives out number republicans in many areas. That is why republicans have to resort to cheating, lying, and stealing through gerrymandering, removing voting machines, slowing down the mail, asking Other countries to help then win, not allowing certain presidents to place judges and on and on.
I really think you all are missing the point and using politics to cover the core of the conversation. Before you can say what’s good or not in the political sense you have to first justify your own position that abortion should even be allowed. I personally was happy with the decision and personally happy at all the band on abortion. Are you implying that because I have that belief in somehow bad? It takes two to tango. By that logic the government can’t force me or anyone else to treat any one a certain way based on tolerance or anything else. Why? I can do and say as I please with my mouth and body. If I say don’t come into my business who are you to use the government to make me? Everyone has an opinion on everything. Instead of cherry picking when the government suddenly has the ability to enforce one groups beliefs onto the rest.... how about we discuss the issue specifically head on. If it’s right or not to begin with.
Definitely one of the more respectful and thoughtful conversations going on right now. I thought the girl who changed her mind on the issue was particularly interesting, and the girl who was disillusioned by the larger Pro-life movement was more nuanced than expected.
Yes, she went from, "I felt like I had only one option" to "I'm going to promote others having only one option." The only change in her mind was who had control over whom.
The anti-violence woman seems to be ignoring the violence of pregnancy. For many it is an accepted violence for their wish to have the baby, but it is still violent.
@@UnconventionalReasoning How is the normal biological process of pregnancy and birth to create human life more violent than the literal suctioning and pulling/tearing of a human body into a plastic receptacle to have its body parts counted by a lab tech? I don't understand.
@@StephanieBennion I did not say that the normal processes of pregnancy are *more* violent, I am saying that it is also violent. The situation is more complex than those opposed to *other* people's abortions seem to accept. At that point, there is also the violence of forcing a person to carry the pregnancy to term rather than choosing to.
@@UnconventionalReasoning You're right, I misunderstood exactly what you were saying. I do see however that we have different definitions of the word violent. Using a traditional definition of violence the mother's experience does not meet the definition like the graphic physical violence of abortion. Yes the fear of an unplanned pregnancy and the uncomfortable, painful experience of pregnancy and childbirth are big challenges and can even be traumatic, but in 99.98% of births it doesn't end the mother's life (maternal mortality in US is 18.5/100,000). In abortion it ends human life 100% of the time (unless the child survives. Look those interviews up). And if we're all told that no birth control is 100% effective, then any act of consensual sex is implicit consent to get pregnant. Sounds crazy but it's biologically true. So, saying that women experience violence when they are denied abortion seems like a big mental leap to me.
That woman's argument at 1:28 is such a joke. You think people in different parts of the country feel differently so it should be left to the states to decide? How about because different people around the country feel differently, it should be left for the individual to decide. Another pro-lifer makes the argument for choice.
For everything else, the conservative wants individual or local choice. But for this issue, if they get the chance, they'll gladly opt for a national ban on abortion.
It was a conversation made in pretend land. The issue was not addressed. Platitudes are not a substitute for policy. One group thinks it's a B the other a Z. There is no compromise. One group will win the other will lose.
@@user-qx9wv3xf6u I don’t think finding consensus on advocating for funding community resources to help pregnant people in crisis is empty platitudes, but I do think it is good policy, regardless of any opinion on abortion.
This is servitude and against the Constitution of the United States Thirteenth Amendment Section 1 Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2 Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. Definition of servitude 1 : a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life 2 : a right by which something (such as a piece of land) owned by one person is subject to a specified use or enjoyment by another
Yes; these theocrats just see reproductive-age girls and women as fetal/prenatal biological hosts whose lives - even if disrupted & scarred by trauma - don’t really matter in relation to this now potentially forced role in these fundamentalist-religion-afflicted states. Sickening.
This was a good group of women. However no one and I mean no one other than myself should have the ability to choose what's best for my life, because it's my life and if I need an abortion I'm going to get one. FULL STOP that's the choice that is available to me.
I am pro-life; however, this decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade is terrible! No one should tell a woman what to do with their body. It is terrible for the government to do this.
The decision says the federal govt has no right to tell you what to do with your body. What are you complaining about. Why can't people like you actually take time to understand something.
@@natasharobinson6572 What you talking about? The Supreme Court ended roe cause they don't want to get involved in your BS. They said its not up to them if you have an abortion. Why are people mad about that.
@@johnbogert7306 because it takes the right away federally which puts millions of women at risk. States in the south will likely implement a near all out ban meaning those who may or may not need a abortion will have to travel or be forced to carry to term a baby they don’t want to have. It also disproportionately affects minority groups seeing as the cost to travel and have an abortion is too expensive and the cost to carry and give birth is also too expensive. Overall, it’s an unfair decision and basically holding peoples bodies hostage in order to give life to a baby.
The three pro-choice women stayed pretty quiet. Especially the woman in the middle, who was thinking the entire time, "All you white women just have no real perspective." And yes, that would be playing the race card, because those are the only cards she has been dealt.
Great so let's talk about supporting women- Free quality childcare free prenatal + post-natal health services free access to birth control lifelong support for kids with disabilities decent affordable housing (free if necessary) diapers, cribs, carriages, baby formula… etc free education beyond high school (for not just mothers + their kids, for all students) school safety + gun control
@@RobinHerzig she and her man can make a decision to have 0 kids or 8 kids but all that financial responsibility should be on them for their decision to have x number of kids. You have a baby you pay for diapers formula etc. Same with prenatal visits. You got pregnant it is your responsibility to get to your prenatal visits to make sure your child is healthy. Seems like society now feels very entitled to all thus free stuff when really nobody forced these women with these guys of course minus a rape situation. No reason an already poor woman should be cranking out babies if she already cant afford 2 why she pregnant with baby 5. No reason these women should have multiple baby daddies and the guy not around so they have to go to uncle sam and the guys are also guilty. Why should taxpayers pay for that?
@@copperpenny7639 actually it is on the tax payer, and you stating that it's not is false. Likewise, when a woman is forced to give birth and she has no ability to pay for it, guess who does! Sure men will be burdened with child support on a never before seen scale, but many of them won't be able to pay either. Wanna guess again who will end up paying for all of this?
@@RobinHerzig she can make her own decisions but she shouldn’t have to have the states take care of her because of the decision 😂 your basically saying because you had a child you should live free.
But we all need to be pro choice? Our tax dollars need to go to abortions? What this does is pass this down to the states you like or don’t like abortion vote on it
@@shawnboahene5231 so much of our tax dollars go to killing, it's a decoy argument. States shouldn't vote on rights, this is what the Constitution is for. The Ninth Amendment exists for a reason.
@@shawnboahene5231 Dude. The decision was handed down on June 24. Abortion is already illegal in 6 states. It will be illegal in about 20 by the end of the year. There will be no voting on this. Do you even know how our government works?
@anhedonia if a person is pregnant and the government denies them any available means of ending the pregnancy then yes their intention is to force the pregnant person to give birth. Your analogy would make sense if restaurants allowed drugs that made you throw up food you can't/didn't want to digest and then stopped allowing it and threatened to punish you if you go to another restaurant
@@amark350 The US is a savage jungle, and as a Western European who has travelled to the US and lived in several European countries, I wouldn't move to the US if you paid me.
@@quinncreel6091 : Good, we don't want you here anyway. I've been all through Europe and would not want to live there... you have to pay for catchup packs at fast food and you lack Freedom of Speech... a bunch of liberal drones that need big daddy US to protect them from their enemies because you're too weak and poor to do it yourself... have some respect for your daddy. This is probably a concept beyond your understanding, however, the US is a huge place with many different communities... some of those communities are hostile (Chicago, for example). Then there are areas that are amazing to live. Certain towns in Florida, for example.
I'm glad to see there is common ground, there isn't enough being done to help support women and prevent abortions. That being said, everyone's situation is personal and complex. Unwanted pregnancies occur even with proper contraceptives, and I still think it should be up to the woman (and father) to discuss amongst themselves in private what action they take next, whether that be abortion, adoption, or raising a child. The US government should not have a say in what happens inside personal homes or doctor appointments.
Thankfully I was able to receive healthcare when I needed it, it was a scary hard discussion to have with my partner. However, because we love each other he deserved to be part of the decision, but we were on the same page. I was religiously taking my birth control, every day on time, for SEVEN years, and suddenly I was looking at a plus sign. I have medical problems that could cause complications in pregnancy/birth… Financially unstable, living with parents, still in college, mentally and emotionally unwell(in therapy), it just wasn’t the right time. It was a very sad decision, as someone who wants kids very badly someday. The whole situation was extremely stressful and terrifying; I had to keep it from my entire family, and they will probably never know. At my appointment to receive healthcare, I also opted to get a birth control implant so that hopefully this doesn’t happen again. I want the next time to be happy, joyful. Abortion should not be a primary form of birth control, but things happen and when they do you need to have a fail safe option. You need resources. Women will die because of this change in our country, it makes what I went through even more terrifying,
@@sonicizzie4817 I think banning abortion makes it fair for both sexes. Before if a man wasn't ready to raise or support a kid but the woman did, he had no choice or say in the matter. When the kid was born he had to be involved to some degree with child support or physically being there. Or else he'd be demonised as a dead beat. When a woman wasnt ready to have the kid she gets an abortion and is brave When in both cases they wanted to avoid responsibility for their actions. Only now women finally feel what men have been going through, to have a kid come When you're not ready without you having a say in the matter. Now one gets a say in the matter, makes it fair and equal in my eyes...
@intriguing Woman morning after pill works in certain parts of the female menstrual cycle. The pill delays the egg from being released. If its already been released then the pill won't do jack shi
Those who carry their pregnancy to term made their choice. For those women who chose to have an abortion, let them make and have their choice! We don't have to like someone's decision, but, it should be their decision to make. Not you or I have the right to tell someone else how to live! Life is the Holy Spirit only, and not the flesh! 1 Peter 1:24 - For all flesh is as grass... The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away. The flesh is what it is, and that's dirt, as the first man was formed from the dust and/or dirt of the ground and ALL humans are extensions or byproducts of that fleshly man!
Since to the Supreme Court overturned Roe Vs. Wade because to legal precedent no longer matters, there's nothing stopping them from overturning gay & interracial marriages, voting rights for minorities, rights for non-citizens living in the U.S., child labor laws & children's right to a public education, or what little gun control regulations we have, all of which can be determined & regulated by each state but can easily change should political party control switches after each election!
Spreading disinformation and pushing panic as usual I see. Stop being the epitome of what is wrong in America and be better. No other judge will listen or tolerate what that lone judge said will happen about all of that. You would know that if you actually paid attention.
how traumatized would you be if they removed the speed limit. Sounds like you have no idea how to exist without direction rules and laws. Folks with common sense dont have your issues mate lol
"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
That’s a very distasteful thing to suggest about a group of people. You do know that many of the resources trying to help these various issues are pro life ran organizations right.....? They just aren’t told to the public because POLITICIANS don’t want women to be help and want them to feel desperate
@@lynnettecapobianco2757 it has nothing to do with weakness. Those are active choices being made by people. Just like uvalde. That had little to do with written law and more to do with people choosing to let it happen.
If you are literally bringing an end to a life, you are against life. If the fetus were left undisturbed what would the end bring? A person just like anyone one of us. The difference is your side is seeking to end those heartbeats.
I am respectfully disagreeing with you. This was a great discussion by the program, but here’s the ultimate point I’m trying to make, men should not be making laws on women’s bodies just as women should not be making laws on men’s bodies. Not everyone believes that life begins at conception, we have this little part in the US Constitution called the First Amendment, where we have a freedom of religion (it’s also part of the First 10 Amendments called The Bill of Rights). This nation was not founded and was NOT meant to be a Christian nation. Not every religion believes that life begins at conception; they believe that life begins when a breath is taken. They believe a mothers life is more important. The mothers well-being should take precedence. The SCOTUS has taken away the religious freedom that millions of Americans have. I hope that no one you know of had to make that heart wrenching decision to end a pregnancy. But you may know someone who unfortunately had to make that decision, a decision which is never made lightly. But they made that decision b/c they had a right to chose what to do with their body. That is a human right that all should have. This is always going to be a topic of heated debate. But what the SCOTUS has done, they have taken away that right for millions of women and have now put it onto the states, of which are governed by men who 1) have NO CLUE what women have to go through 2) NO CLUE what it’s like to get pregnant and 3) NO CLUE what’s it like having to make a decision like that. It is a human right to have the right to decide what is best for that individual. I reiterate, no one is against life. But this country should not be making laws based on religious ideologies b/c not everyone believes the same. The US was founded on a separation of Church and State, ie, keep religion out of politics.
Krysta Stefanosky, respectfully, it is indisputable that life begins at conception. It is biology - from conception the new organism is a separate human - human because it has human DNA, separate because its human genome is unique from the mother's. And the sad thing is that many pro choicers consciously seem to know this, but they repress it. In your reply to Cody, you call the decision to terminate a pregnancy "heart wrenching." If the fetus isn't alive, or is less than human, what is heart wrenching about it? Would it be heart wrenching if a tapeworm or a tumor was removed?
@@krystastefanosky6173 Couldn't have said it better. Pro-lifers are the ones who during the Inquisition wouldn't have batted an eyelid at the decision to burn 'witches' at the stake. They have no empathy, no critical thinking skills and pose a threat to civilized society.
At the stage that all abortions happen (besides in cases of medical necessity) the "baby" does not want anything, it is not capable of wanting anything. It's just tissue, there is no person in there yet
What about the violence against the woman or child that is raped and then forcibly re-traumatized by having to go through with a pregnancy they never wanted or asked for? What about the violence against them?
@@bellastrange7477 As someone who has been raped and sexually assaulted on several occasions as a child, I still would not abort a baby. I was raped in college during a party. Two wrongs don't make a right. However, in the case of a young child or teen where their life is in danger, that is a different story.
@@psychshell4644 You cannot oblay other women to do with their lives a choise. Even if you were raped that doesn't give you any superiority to say what other women need to do. You don't want is your choise, allow others have their choise. Wrong? Who are you to say it is wrong ? because you are not in their situations. Remember people came to suffer. Are you saying you are giving the opportunity to a baby to suffer and being abuse?
I had an abortion two years ago. The subject was raised by my husband..I was pretty much in shock. I have serious mixed feelings about this issue. Without going into detail I wasn't totally on board but I guess he convinced me it was for the best. They have me an ultrasound and have me a due date. So every year this Angel baby's birthday comes around I hurt from the deepest part of my soul. I have the what it's and wonder who this little babe would be today.. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about it. Just make sure it's YOUR decision and not someone else's. 💗
I’m so sorry that you had to go through that. Whether to keep or abort should always be the decision of the pregnant person, and I’m so sorry you were pressured into something you didn’t want. I hope you’re doing alright now ❤
Woman to woman: you are not alone. Many of us women regret our abortions. Have you seen live action’s video of an abortion procedure narrated by abortion doctors? It’s upsetting to watch.
Now that Roe is overturned, it's time for an overwhelming passage of social safety net legislation to protect these precious new lives. Right? ......... Right?
well, since the issue has been returned to state legislature pro-choicers would do well to try and convince their fellow Americans with earnest, well-thought out arguments rather than antagonizing them. the point is well taken but i don't think anyones had their minds changed by sarcasm.
@@waffleman9000 Sarcasm never changes minds, I know. But then well thought out arguments are not receptive anymore either. We're dealing with indoctrination. It's cult behavior. Impervious.
Wrong...wrong. We've already spent a ton on social safety net legislation and all it's led to is an explosion of illegitimate births and single-parent households since 1965. The best policy to reduce single parenthood and unwanted pregnancies is to de-incentivize it through drastic reduction in the billions we already spend on these programs. When you subsidize poverty, you get more of it.
The one thing I don’t care for, is how some of these women correlated abortion with extreme acts of violence. An abortion is not the same as death penalty for someone like a serial killer. Otherwise, more civil conversation is needed these days.
This was way too short. We saw one lady's stance challenged (the one in the blue dress), but insufficiently, and everyone else all seemed to agree on their "commonality" without stating what that commonality actually is.
If women have a right to either terminate their pregnancy or choose life then why is it so difficult to understand that men should have a right to opt out of all responsibility? Equality for all?
@@trinadeerhodes So, I posed this question with respect. Not all States....perhaps your State does allow this. Again, lets say an couple have been together for a few months. They both have been responsible adults with respect to the prevention of pregnancy. Suppose she is on birth control and they have both decided children are not in the picture at this time. Lets say, she gets pregnant. They have a conversation. He has reconsidered and truly wants to be a father of this child. She on the other hand, says "We've talked about this....no Im having an abortion. He has zero say. None whatsoever if she wants to terminate. But reverse the roles. She reconsiders....she wants the child but he says "We've talked about this and we both agreed we are not ready." You apparently are arguing, "If she wants the baby...he is responsible financially for at least the next 19 years." Surely you can see the incredible unfairness of this scenario. You want the ultimate say in yes or no regarding the baby.....regardless of the father's wishes. Then, the father has a right as well to "opt in or out." You cant have your cake and eat it too. Women and men should be treated equally and fairly in society (laws, work, pay, promotion, etc). If you still feel that man is a deadbeat, you simply do not possess the cognitive ability to consider/understand any other person's point of view other than your own OR just dont care to consider any other's position. This personality is categorized as; narcissistic It is a most unattractive and unappealing trait to all.
@@leevaughn7399 my was neither for or against the morality on who is responsible. Using your logic these perfectly responsible adult can decide and he can them sign away right which removes the financial response. He would still have a choice. The big miss in this is that a woman has to decide to risk her life to have a child. That is a risk she takes alone regardless of the wants of the man. That is main reason it should be left to the woman is no one should be required to risk their life if they do not want to.
@@trinadeerhodes i understand fully regarding risk and agree. Perhaps I did misunderstand. If so, I apologize. Personally, If my partner tells me "Im having the baby regardless of your desire to be a father," I again personally would feel morally and ethically motivated and driven spiritually to care for "my" child. There are many men however who would not want any responsibility whatsoever. I simply feel that man should be given the freedom to "opt out" from any legal or financial liability. One wants to be a parent the other does not. Thanks
Its too bad that the network majors and even CNBC are overlooking a whole mess of commercial & business issues which are directly emerging from the Supreme Court's recent decision on Row v. Wade. Board rooms of organizations with multi-state operations are currently reconsidering their geographic footprints; some of which are now in jurisdictions presenting a high-risk criminal justice posture for their employees and contractors. The American States which are adopting the most radical anti-abortion measures are practically a template for the low Covid response States everyone saw at the peak of the pandemic. This all ads up to a high risk versus cost benefit of doing business within these "conservative" jurisdictions and every corporation is looking at this right now. Accordingly; the State of California has already placed business travel restrictions on full-time and part-time employees barring any visits to what now number seventeen American states. These organizational decisions being enacted now are not being made in a vacuum. The now conservative majority of the Supreme Court of the United States has taken what is already an intolerable or at best shaky economic situation already present in the Red States of America and made it incalculably worse. The US counties voting Republican for the office of President in 2020 currently represent only twenty-eight percent of the American GDP; denoting that these areas are in an inevitable economic tailspin. Praise the Lord and pass out the welfare checks to both the third-world citizens of these American States and the plantations where they work.
thats fair, but the Supreme Court were basing it whether or not it was protected by the constitution. I don't see the founding fathers imagining these issues in the future so it was kinda vague to work with anyways if it was being based off constitutional protection.
I also very much appreciated how civil this conversation was. Even though it was said in a calm voice, we still need to clean up stereotype-laden comments such as "white christian male viewpoints". Many females are pro-life, including my friend who told me of the damage having an abortion did to her spirit. In our country, everyone has the opportunity to vote to ultimately put people in places of power. We cannot just off handedly blame "white christian males". I'm so sick of that comment!
I'm sorry for your friend who suffered mentally from having an abortion, but she is in the minority. The vast majority of people who have an abortion don't regret it. People who are denied an abortion on the other hand do all suffer mentally from it
That lady in blue is a hypocrite in my opinion. Imagine she got pregnant by her own uncle and she lived in Tennessee where there are no exceptions…she grew up poor, she can’t go to another state for abortion. She has no choice but to bring that kid to this world. That’s a choice taken from her. Is that fair?
The vast majority of abortions have nothing to do with rape or incest - it's just women not wanting to take responsibility for their actions. If you want to understand the mind of someone that is prolife, then you have to start with the premise that it's a REAL baby being killed. I think of a baby inside a mother's stomach exactly I as think of a newborn baby.... to me, there is no difference but the location. And I could never justify killing a newborn baby NOR could I justify killing a baby located in a stomach. To prolife people, both are REAL babies..... Even if the circumstances were bad, it's still a human life and should be protected. The more puzzling question to me... why with all the issues on this planet would liberal women choose to be passionate about killing unborn babies? Do you ever stop and think you are on the wrong side?
@@amark350 if “women taking responsibility for their own actions” is what your debating, then shouldn’t the focus be on stressing the need to use protection and contraceptives in both men and women, and trying to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place, instead of forcing a woman to do something against her own will. But even in that case, contraceptives and protection aren’t 100% guaranteed to work 100% percent of the time. So even if a couple has done everything they can to stay protected, but still ends up pregnant, would you still see it right to force someone into the excruciating pain of pregnancy and childbirth? I completely understand the anger towards people who consistently have unprotected and unresponsible sex, and get back to back abortions, but no one should be forced to carry and raise a child against their own will, especially when they do not have the means and resources to raise that child.
@@amark350 " I think of a baby inside a mother's stomach exactly I as think of a newborn baby.... to me, there is no difference but the location." Then you are just objectively incorrect. They are not the same whatever delusion you sell to yourself. A foetus under 20 weeks is akin to a parasite. It cannot survive outside the mother's body and relies entirely on her. A baby does not need to take nutrients from its host to survive, it just needs to be fed. They are not passionate about killing foetuses. They are passionate about being able to dictate what happens to their own body, instead of a having a group of men decide that they can be used as incubators for a baby that they do not want/cannot care for.
All women should sue for back-fetus/child support since life is apparently considered at conception, All pregnancies are owed nine months of back-pay support according to law now?? Pay the Ladies for those 9 months. Sue, Sue, Sue, cases everywhere in those States??
@@e-man1634 hospital and doctor bills are expensive. You have a crapton of procedures done before you ever give birth. I'm guessing that you have never attended prenatal appointments with anyone
Where are the men in this conversation? Shouldn’t they bear part of the responsibility? They are getting a free ride at the cost to the woman and the child.
@@alwaysbekindlove Money (usually very little) doesn't even come close to alleviating the physical toil and psychological turmoil of carrying, birthing and raising a kid. Men shouldn't have a say.
Where are all the anti death penalty pro-lifers?? I would never have an abortion but i cant tell someone else not to. The bible defines personhood at first breath, not conception. Soul and personhood are two different things.
Abortion is a religious issue that needs to be kept out of government and politics, it's based on the belief that life begins at conception, which is not based in science, or specifically spoken about in the Bible, the government can't force an action or law based on religious beliefs, how would you feel is a law as passed saying that everyone who prays must face east or be arrested????
this is a really tired argument, and i urge you to check your facts. there are many nonreligious people who do not support abortion, including doctors. who base their opinions in science, philosophy, logic. there are logical conclusions to be made on both sides, with no easy solutions that will solve everything. i don’t even have a definitive opinion myself, but i recommend challenging yourself to think and observe others who think beyond this argument, as it’s an easy out that isn’t even accurate
Protesters should educate themselves on how to prevent a pregnancy instead of killing defenseless unborn human beings, life begins in the womb and those lives matter and must be protected.
@@Nimish204 when did I say that? I was making an observation that when men aren’t at the table, conversations are all the things I listed. Where did you get child support from abortion?
The problem is not abortion or killing the baby or the fetus. The problem is responsible sexual intercourse. If people would just practise safe sex the women would not get pregnant, and abortion would not be a problem. Or if parents and teachers would teach their sons to be well-mannered and respectful towards each other, especially women or teach them how to treat a woman, they could prevent them from being future sexual assaulters there for women would not be raped or carry the baby of a rapist. So it is better to aim at the source of the problem.
Instead of respecting women, why can't we consider the father of the babies feelings? All I hear is the women saying that the baby is 100% theirs. Their body. Then when the baby shows up mom is at the child support office because daddy needs to pay up. Nobody care whatsoever about how the mom can abort and get dad loses his child.
Sorry, but speaking as a guy, a woman is not an incubator. It's nice if the guy wants to keep the child; but if the woman doesn't she shouldn't be treated as a gestation chamber for 9 months until the guy gets his child.
@@narcissistichumility1269 once she becomes pregnant, that is literally her job - the function of her uterus, the hormones in her body that help the fetus thrive.... its literally just being a woman. If she had consensual sex, yes the man shld b a part of the process - its just as much his as hers
This conversation is basically a complete sham. 3 pro-choice vs 1 and maybe a half at most supposedly pro-life. This wasn't a legitimate conversation, if anything it was a controlled discussion.
@anhedonia The fetus has never been recognized as a person under the Constitution. That's why abortion is not banned in every state. The High Court acknowledged that the fetus is not a person under the Constitution when allowing Dobbs to stand where doctor assisted abortions were allowed into the 2nd trimester. Also the woman is immune from prosecution under Dobbs (Mississippi statute), AND no jail time for doctors violating Mississippi statute Justices were okay with no jail time for doctors killing fetuses.
@anhedonia In post Roe America, Perfectly legal for the woman to procure an abortion by any means at any time of her pregnancy in any state AND that includes taking abortion pills without a doctor's prescription. Perfectly legal for the woman to travel to another state to procure doctor assisted abortion into the 3rd trimester then return to her home state. Is overturning Roe the end game for the Prolife control freaks???
@@trendynow1369 That’s no where near an even playing field women also pay for their children. 😆🤭women risk dying during child birth. Men risk NOTHING! Stop trying to be a victim you get no pity over here!😂
@@xamarialouis6622 women dying at birth is the lamest excuse! That may have been a concern 100 years ago. Present day that chance is 0.001%. Women ARE NOT dying at birth at any type of rate that make abortions reasonable. Get a clue. People do it as contraception. Plain and simple. At 1 month, your "clump of cells" has hands, feet, heart, face, etc. Keep calling it a "fetus" to dehumanize the significance of what it truly is. A baby. A Human.
I call BS. What party is for helping families receive quality daycare? Pre-K? Paid parental leave? Let me help you out. It is not the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is about helping families and the average person out.
To Savannah Ackerman (one of the women in the panel): To force someone to carry a child against their will is violence. To force a young girl (a child) or a woman who has been raped, either by a stranger or a family member, to carry a child is violence. To not save a woman´s live if the fetus is not viable and let her suffer, come close to death or die, because the fetus still has a heartbeat, is violence. All of this is torture. So for you to sit there to say you are against violence and torture in all it´s form and be 100% against abortions is very hypocritical of you.
In Oklahoma we banned abortions, but made exceptions for rape and incest as long as a police report was filed. We also made an exception if the Mother's life is in danger. I don't think most pro life people want a woman to be forced to carry the child of their rapist.
@@joegambino9792 Even removing rape and incest it's still violence to force someone to do something with their body against their will. If you were forced to give up your kidney to save someone's life, or forced to move somewhere against your will, with the state forcing you to comply that would be pretty clearly recognized as violence. Wombs for some reason are treated differently under the law.
there's consequences to fornication. Some married couples want to limit the number of children that they have. That's between them and Almighty God. People act like they never heard of abstinence. You know good old -fashioned self control. Discipline. If you behave like an alley cat the consequences go with it. Including venereal diseases. Rape and incest cases should be handled with much guidance from the Most High God. Ever researched the outcomes of babies born from rape? By the way, adoption is an option. If all the unwanted babies were aborted, couples who want to adopt would be stuck out. Some people can't have children and want to adopt.
@@carolynwilliams7414 The foster care system is overflowing in America currently with more children than safe homes. This harms thousands of children ever year. More than 100,000 children are available for adoption in the U.S. right now so I don't think couples look to adopt are lacking options. Beyond that many people who engage in safe sex within the confines of marriage (such as one married couple I know who got pregnant after the man got a vasectomy) still find themselves pregnant in spite of their efforts to avoid such an outcome. Unless your argument is that sex should only be used for procreation (in which case you're out of step with most christian belief systems world wide) why do you insist on using a system which punishes people who are doing all of the necessary things to avoid "fornicating" but still get pregnant? As another point why do you endorse a policy that can force a women to carry the corpse of her child within her body for days or weeks? That's another outcome of mandating births. Sometimes your kid dies before being born and without access to abortive care some women are forced to go through the traumatic experience of being forced to give birth to their dead child, which is by all accounts a pretty horrific thing to do. If violence and harm are what's viewed as the problem, why are the harms experienced by mothers ignored in these conversations? Why does the theoretical harm to an infant take precedence over the actual harm experienced by women?
Legalized abortion makes sense for corporate America. Childless worker bees cost less than those with offspring. Maternity leave, dependents on healthcare plans, and other offspring related issues lower profit margins.
It actually makes sense to force pregnancies to force parents to take more jobs to sustain that future baby. Which, when grown up will become another consumer and worker. Now tell me who wins?
I against a abortion. I'm a democratic, 60 yr old female. But try it to judge others in their decision. Support these women with help in adoption. Go after the daddy's as well.
@@jammzy2959 well she does have choices she can choose adoption she can choose to raise her child it’s not like she has no choices she just doesn’t have the one choice of abortion.
@@yveje9720 all the choices you listed are what we call "life" sweetie. 🙄 Abortion is death vs. life. Let's keep it simple because I don't think pro-lifers really wants to talk about actual lives. They start to stutter.
When I was young and optimistic and thought, I knew it all I wasn't particularly anti-abortion. I used to think, if you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one. Then I saw one being performed. I watched as the vacuum devise penetrated the amniotic sack and began to suck out the contents. I foolishly thought that a fetus didn't have any sense that it was being aborted until I saw it's little arms and legs ripped apart on the monitor as it opened it's little mouth in what must have been agony. I couldn't watch any more, it literally made me sick. Like many people, I didn't realize that a fetus could be self-aware enough to feel pain--that it was just a blob of cells without feelings or emotion. I found out I was wrong. While I don't brow beat people with my opinion, whenever I run across someone who is pro-choice, I encourage them to watch an abortion being performed and see how they feel about it afterwards.
Democrats-"Let's put abortion clinics in predominantly poor black neighborhoods and pass out free addictive drug paraphernalia to them " Blacks-"Let's vote Democrat because they care about us"
On the contrary, I live in Memphis TN[...68% Black!], & I can assure U, all of the abortion providers are located in the more "affluent" areas!!!(...as well as, other cities I've lived & grown-up in, sooo, There's That?!! 🤨) U.Tried.It, tho!!! 🖕😉
Some women say: "My body, my choice". But when you go for an abortion, it's the BABY'S body that is getting ripped and torn into pieces, not YOUR body. If that unborn child could speak, maybe it would say with a loudspeaker...."STOP...I WANT TO LIVE!!!". You are selflessly killing any chance of that!
Honestly I'm not really sure what to make of the whole abortion debate but arguments like these I feel don't paint the right picture. The baby didn't ask to be born either, what If it's screaming don't bring me into this world?
@@virtueq you won’t find out if the fetus in question is “healthy”until the 20 week anatomy scan. You can’t even detect an actual fetal heartbeat until around 13 weeks.
If abortion is illegal then we still need more laws making reproductive issues equal. I am pro choice. If women can't legally get abortion. Men need to register their DNA with selective service at 18. That way if women are forced to keep unwanted pregnancy, men are also legally responsible every single time, for every child
Pro-slavery and anti-civil rights people were also religious people. All you’re proving is that religious people existed in those times and they had opinions.
But with all the science and technology and progress we've made being religious and being blind to science and research is stupid. And religious people are delusional these days they are not like religious people of the past that's for sure
@@michaelschaefer1904 Most doctor's are pro-choice for obvious reasons. They're intelligent and educated and understand the nuances and complexities of the issue. On the contrary, I'm sorry to say but most people that are super religious tend to be less educated. They don't care about science until it suits their needs/agenda but don't bother to learn about it or educate themselves further. Instead they rely on a book written thousands of years ago that can be interpreted hundreds of different ways (how many branches of xtianity are there?) And they all claim their interpretation is the absolute and only correct one! How hilarious! There is nothing wrong with believing in a God. I actually believe a God exists. However I have a good head on my shoulders and let me let you in on a little secret.... I practice empathy and my moral compass is guided by empathy not the Old testament full of creepy little stories. And hey I think Jesus was a great guy but I know he doesn't want me to go to church and sing his name every Sunday. He wants me to go out t here, practice and empathy, and use that smart mind God gave me to better the world in some way.
I'm not religious but I find the reality of aborting babies at 5 months super gruesome and cannot support such practices. I think 90 plus percent of terminations are elective not medically necessary.
9 out of 10 abortions are made before 10 weeks. This is literally a pill taken to expel the foetus. I do agree that I don’t like the idea of 5 month abortions but it’s not my business to tell someone what they should or shouldn’t do. All I care about is what I would do in a certain situation.
My vagina on my period is super gruesome doesn’t make it wrong lol. 92 percent are preformed in the first trimester and later are for medical reasons. I’m not hating on you but geez
@@Writing-tu6jc Crushing the skulls and dismembering the bodies of young, living human beings is not just gruesome, it’s evil. Late term abortion are not life saving abortions. Various studies by Planned Parenthood have found they’re done for purely socioeconomic reasons.
Id always choose abortion, simply because i do not wish to give birth. Never have never will want that. But unfortunately i am not allowed to tie my tubes, which is what i want, so i would never have to worry about it. So if i did get pregnant abortion would be my only option.
SCOTUS simply sent it back to the people to decide. Abortion is simply not in the constitution or bill of rights. They’re saying make it law. So make it law. Every other country didn’t do it through a court but in their statues. I’m pro-life and a republican but even RBG said it was on shaky ground. You can be pro life and accept the law of the land. Here’s an opportunity to get it done the right way.
And that would be great if the states wasn’t waiting to ban it. If the states went in and listened to their people that would be different but they were just waiting to ban it. Just like everyone was out there chanting my body my choice about wearing a mask the state can’t tell me what to do with my uterus. Can’t have it both ways.
And that would be great if the states wasn’t waiting to ban it. If the states went in and listened to their people that would be different but they were just waiting to ban it. Just like everyone was out there chanting my body my choice about wearing a mask the state can’t tell me what to do with my uterus. Can’t have it both ways.
Abortion was NEVER a Constitutional Right. It was, like the many other invented rights like the Right to Privacy, something created by legal fiat, yet real Constitutional Rights, like the First and Second Amendment rights are ignored, trampled on, and not protected by the Federal government. That means in reality the same people who claim to champion Abortion as a right actually do not care about Constitutional Rights, as they seek to limit and restrict Second Amendment through Gun Control ('to save lives') on the one hand, and with the other hand enforce a non-Constitutional policy, calling it a "Woman's Right" (which is Sexist to do) so the same people who claim to be Feminists are in fact Sexist, as they take lives through abortion.
a militant and law enforcement compliance approach to compulsory and non consensual reproduction is unnatural and dangerous to the point of being pro death, sickness, and disability. The stress alone will devitalize the body and the low morale created by the lack of autonomy and forced, punitive breeding is so sick and disgusting. We are moralizing ourselves into our demise. We should let more natural forces take over. Being a grandfather should be an honor, never a thing you can automatically expect or she die trying or miscarry.
You say you care about life but what about these babies after their born they no longer matter once they are out of the womb? More kids put in foster care and the system.
I'd love to see how you accept rape-baby or incest-baby in your own family. I want you to tell your daughter, mom or your sister to live with it, say good things about the proud father, smiling telling the neighbours " oh it was love at first sight and then they made the baby..such a happy relationship it was while it lasted...oh where is the father?..eh..uh ..his ship has come through " ...Easy to judge about others, eh?
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This was one of the most respectful conversations I've ever seen. Wow. More of this, please.
How it should be but these feminists nowadays 😂
Yeah
@@markmilitant or maybe it's rarely like this because the *right* (starting with Paul Weyrich and Jerry Falwell) intentionally made it a divisive issue.
@@markmilitant it would be if people didn't make dumb statements like you Mark
Those liberal women were really respectful to the libertarian and conservative girls
Look the party against abortion is also against universal health care, living wage, increased social programs, education etc etc. So talk that sh*t about supporting woman if you want but their vote tells me different.
Forget the parties. Have you ever talked to an actual person who views abortion as violence? Most, if not all, are in favor of promoting conscious choice and responsibility when it comes to sexual behavior, promoting healthy parenthood (for both the mom and the dad, which means present fathers and nurturing mothers.) A lot of them also adopt. How is this bad?
Exactly! This is so true. I think it is hypocritical for Republicans to bring up these issues now. The Build Back Better Bill attempted to solve some of these issues. Did the Republicans vote for the bill or try to negotiate with Democrats? NO. They have had multiple opportunities to address family issues and flatly refuse to.
@@Gravitality I am an adoptive mother. I am eternally grateful that their birth mothers chose to bring them into the world. However, I'm also thankful they did not live in a country where they were forced to do so under the threat of a punitive law.
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve had so many conversations with pro life friends and colleagues yet their voting choices don’t reflect the social programs, spending etc that would be required. I generally walk away thinking you can’t have it both ways folks
@GA exactly, I don’t wanna be here if I’m not WANTED, it’s not like any of us ASKED TO BE HERE just like how WE WOULDN’T EVEN KNOW if we got aborted.
While I appreciate a civil conversation on a difficult topic I’m deeply disappointed that broader issues of abortion as healthcare weren’t discussed. Plenty of women want their pregnancy but ectopic pregnancies, untenable fetal development or rape and incest victims will all see their access to healthcare curtailed. It’s outrageous that doctors have to stand by and wait for a woman to be in medical distress before they can provide healthcare.
You can thank the women that use abortion as birth control for that.
People just have to keep pushing things further.
I really doubt there would be much opposition to abortion in cases of rape and the mother is in danger.
@@Tom-cz9op while I appreciate your opinion I think we would all do well to remember we never know someone else’s life or situations. Assuming that a woman doesn’t know what’s best for herself is a form of condescension I find hard to abide.
@@oliviatrelles as a member of society it is our duty to protect others from harm,, especially a baby.
Why do we protect all other stages of a life other than the unborn?
@@Tom-cz9op now now don’t be hypocritical. We don’t protect all other stages of life and to say so seems naive at best. Any country that allows mass shootings at elementary schools can hardly be said to protect life at all stages. And yes we do allow that because we’ve decided that a constitutional amendment that was made when muskets were the weapon of choose and couldn’t possibly have accounted for semi automatic guns is again naive at best.
You’ve actually hit upon my main issue with this entire debate. There is a stark contrast between prolife and probirth. I realize it may seem that I’m fanning the flames of division here but please before replying ask yourself, do you vote every single time to support all stages of life? That includes guns, immigration, welfare etc. every. single. time.
@@Tom-cz9op Believe, no woman "uses" abortion on a consistent basis as birth control. A box of condoms is much cheaper. That said, sometimes people get a little nutty and forget to use birth control in the heat of the moment.
I can respect the lady who actually disapproves of the death penalty in addition to being anti abortion, however I think it's hypocritical that she says that, but agrees with forcing women to carry to term even if it's traumatic, like rape or medical complications or mental/financial stability. That just doesn't sit right with me. If you're against violence, you should be FOR helping victims and survivors as well.
I am glad you can respect her because I absolutely cannot for the same logic. THE assailant has a right to force his victim to carry his violent discharge IN HER MIND. TO ME THAT IS WRONG. NEVER will this be acceptable.
And frankly she 100% ignores the political reality in Red States. They will not increase any support services or healthcare. Eventually they will just start demonizing unwed mothers AGAIN and try to pressure people into unwanted marriages to raise their unwanted child together.
@@tigerlilly9038 To clarify, I only respect the correlation of anti abortion and anti death penalty because most Christians say 'all live is sacred' and 'an eye for and eye' in the same breath. HOWEVER, it's hypocritical to be against violence but condone the birth of a child who was conceived through violence and nonconsent. It doesn't make sense and is frankly disgusting.
She's very confused. She has just supported turning women into cattle.
At the very least that one makes a little more sense than some that still approve death penalty. Plus, i'd like to remind them that not even the unborn is innocent in their religion. Since they need to be cleared of the Original Sin.
The anti-abortion woman in blue says to give the women what they need, give the choice to the states. No. To give the women what they need, give the choice to the women. This is so personal. It should never have been made a political issue
Also, lets be real. There is no way the Red States will be increasing spending on social support or healthcare for these women.
Exactly! 👏
Yes, "Let the states decide" is the most disingenuous position. It is a decoy, because that person knows it is even easier to prohibit abortions in most states.
I'm glad she was called out for her hypocrisy: "When you were growing up, you were told abortion was the only choice. Now you want forced pregnancy to be the only choice."
🥺😪😢😭
@@UnconventionalReasoning I think banning abortion makes it fair for both sexes.
Before if a man wasn't ready to raise or support a kid but the woman did, he had no choice or say in the matter. When the kid was born he had to be involved to some degree with child support or physically being there. Or else he'd be demonised as a dead beat.
When a woman wasnt ready to have the kid she gets an abortion and is brave When in both cases they wanted to avoid responsibility for their actions.
Only now women finally feel what men have been going through, to have a kid come When you're not ready without you having a say in the matter.
Now one gets a say in the matter, makes it fair and equal in my eyes...
So impressed by the bravery and candor of the women in this video. Well done!
This was a surface discussion at best. The woman in the black and white dress is probably the most commonly held view.
Yeah?
@@judithdiraddo4162 Yep.
This conversation was so civil and respectful. So nice to see.
Agree with you.
Yeah?
@@judithdiraddo4162 it’s always seen this way when pro life individuals bite their words and opinions and simply observe and through short sentences in here and there
It was nice, but the reality of what is going on does not require civilty but action.
@@vikkidonn you don't think the pro-choice women bit their words and opinions?
From a western European view, it's insane that abortion is such an extreme topic. We have a nuanced view, that abortion should be up to 18 weeks. Everything in the US is presented as either yes or no. Abortion is a complex subject.
Can’t wait until the Baby Boomers are gone and religion becomes more unpopular.
@@rtlkfcb Surely "up to 18 weeks" is the very opposite of arbitrary. Those who have "late abortions" in the Netherlands are less than 3% of cases and usually if the mother's life is at risk. Also worth saying, the Netherlands has a far superior healthcare system than the US. Maternal deaths here is extremely rare.
@@rtlkfcb Well there needs to be a cut off point, otherwise why have any limits in the first place? A fixed limit needs to go somewhere.
It's only complicated for people without strong convictions. It's simple for me.
@@amark350 If your opinion on abortion is that it’s simple, then I don’t think you’ve thought about it very long or have talked to many pregnant people, regardless of your opinion of the ethics or your moral fortitude.
The time has come to remove tax exempt status from all churches, Federally. If religious groups want to play politics, put them on defense fighting to remain financially viable.
Okay that will make the largest church the most powerful and establish a state church. How about all the evangelicals and Quakers that ended slavery? William Wilberforce fought slavery. How about black churches in the 60s and the civil rights movement? Those people shouldn't have the right to petition their government. Maybe you should pay the church people for their charity work like they do in Europe since you want a state church.
I agree
Liberal pastors have no fear of the IRS. Get real.
You think that's going to stand up with this SCOTUS?
its not religious its science
Is freedom about Choice? Does a government really have the right to tell people what they can and can’t do with their bodies? Isn’t your personal beliefs just that your personal beliefs? If you don’t agree with something simply don’t participate in it. Why are you so arrogant as to think that your opinion and point of view should affect every single woman in the country? Are you going to be helping these women? Are you going to be supporting these women? It’s their body. It’s their right. They have the right to choose and keep your beliefs in your house, not in our politics.
thank you!!!
Thank you!!! No one's telling them what to do with their healthcare or taking away their rights! I love how religious people always use it as an excuse but are like some of the meanist people I have ever met and most judgemental. Not all! But it's like being pro life but anti same sex marriage. One supports the other! If your saving a baby theres a chance it could be gay so why save them if your going to hate them later and harass them? It makes no sense! A mother could decide to keep her baby and later down the road be disowned bt the entire family for their sexual preference. Alot of gay men and women commit suicide from all the judgment so should those people be held accountable that harrased them to that point? I feel like yes! Sorry I went on a rant 🤣 but really thank you ☺️
Is killing people a choice?
Not if it really is about the termination of an innocent human being. You also are against my killing of a 5 year old child, obviously. Why do I not have that right? Keep your beliefs in your house, not in our politics.
can you go around killing other people? its ur body thats doing the killing, right? can we limit ur actuons that hurt others? yes. aborting a fetus means terminating a human life. its not your body, it’s temporarily inside ur body.
I am pro-life & individual choice. I refuse to impress my pro-life views on anyone other than myself. To each their own.
Does your refusal to impress your pro-life views extend to babies that are newly born? If not, what is the difference besides the baby's location?
hello dear how are you doing
can we be friends if you don't mind
Same here. Knock yourself and have as many abortions as you would like, but its just not for me.
@Nick Ford what a silly argument. The same could he true for a serial killer, a mass shooter, etc…
But it should not be decided at the states "Through the legislators and reps" as some are saying. It should be dicided at the state level through the people via a direct vote in ballot initiatives "do you support abortion? Yes or no? Governors should not be deciding for everyone because lets be honest you can have more individuals in support of abortion, or gun laws, or whatever at the state level. However, gerrymandering can allow a republican like Ron Desantis to win and hence a enacting laws that the majority of the people do not want. All the republicans from the top down for decades have been passing these gerrymandered voting maps. I have never seen a more maniacally unfair, cheating, dishonest, group of so called Christians in my life.
this is exactly what I’ve been saying. Like why is one singular individual with their own singular bias trying to make the decision for a large complex group of people with different situations of which they do not understand? Especially when that person isn’t even a woman and doesn’t understand the pain and struggle of pregnancy, the excruciating pain of childbirth, or what it’s like to be apart of a marginalized group, to spend the entire lives in the corrupt foster care system, or raised under poor or traumatic circumstances? They don’t understand what it’s like so they shouldn’t be in charge of that situation. It should be down to the individual who understands the complications of their circumstances, to make that decision. And although voting does allow for a more diversified opinion, it should still be down to the individual to decide, because those other voters still would never be able to understand that individuals circumstance.
There is no valid legislative position but pro-choice. Holding a referendum doesn't really assist in this. Just give the women the choice to abort or not. Those who are already pro-life can just decide to never abort no matter what. It doesn't make sense to hold a referendum for what should be a personal decision. The states can also address sex education and other things that might affect a person's decision to abort, but the state should not be dictating what a women can do with their body.
But this still takes the choice away from individuals. Basically a bunch of your neighbors now control your body.
@@katiez688 I agree but if it has to be a choice between either 1 politician and the majority of the people voting on the issue. Then I'd rather it be the voters in a ballot initiative. 9 times out of 10 if the voters vote on that issues or any issues for that matter then it would pass because Dems or progressives out number republicans in many areas. That is why republicans have to resort to cheating, lying, and stealing through gerrymandering, removing voting machines, slowing down the mail, asking Other countries to help then win, not allowing certain presidents to place judges and on and on.
I really think you all are missing the point and using politics to cover the core of the conversation. Before you can say what’s good or not in the political sense you have to first justify your own position that abortion should even be allowed. I personally was happy with the decision and personally happy at all the band on abortion. Are you implying that because I have that belief in somehow bad? It takes two to tango. By that logic the government can’t force me or anyone else to treat any one a certain way based on tolerance or anything else. Why? I can do and say as I please with my mouth and body. If I say don’t come into my business who are you to use the government to make me? Everyone has an opinion on everything. Instead of cherry picking when the government suddenly has the ability to enforce one groups beliefs onto the rest.... how about we discuss the issue specifically head on. If it’s right or not to begin with.
Everyone should stay out of everyone else's buisness .
No one is forced to have an abortion .
Respect women .
We are capable of running our own lives.
Well said.
Once again I had to hear that women use abortion as contraception. I replied: that statement denigrates the intelligence of every woman in America.
@@queent3343 Not everyone has the proper education or access to contraceptives.
@@sonicizzie4817 I don't think wearing a condom is rocket science. And Obamacare provides free contraception.
@@queent3343 Condoms break, there are obstacles to getting healhcare. It's not as perfect as it seems on paper.
The conversation was lacking, imo. There shouldn't even have to be debate about this. It's my body, not yours! Govern your own body. That's that.
Definitely one of the more respectful and thoughtful conversations going on right now.
I thought the girl who changed her mind on the issue was particularly interesting, and the girl who was disillusioned by the larger Pro-life movement was more nuanced than expected.
Yes, she went from, "I felt like I had only one option" to "I'm going to promote others having only one option." The only change in her mind was who had control over whom.
The anti-violence woman seems to be ignoring the violence of pregnancy. For many it is an accepted violence for their wish to have the baby, but it is still violent.
@@UnconventionalReasoning How is the normal biological process of pregnancy and birth to create human life more violent than the literal suctioning and pulling/tearing of a human body into a plastic receptacle to have its body parts counted by a lab tech? I don't understand.
@@StephanieBennion I did not say that the normal processes of pregnancy are *more* violent, I am saying that it is also violent. The situation is more complex than those opposed to *other* people's abortions seem to accept. At that point, there is also the violence of forcing a person to carry the pregnancy to term rather than choosing to.
@@UnconventionalReasoning You're right, I misunderstood exactly what you were saying. I do see however that we have different definitions of the word violent. Using a traditional definition of violence the mother's experience does not meet the definition like the graphic physical violence of abortion. Yes the fear of an unplanned pregnancy and the uncomfortable, painful experience of pregnancy and childbirth are big challenges and can even be traumatic, but in 99.98% of births it doesn't end the mother's life (maternal mortality in US is 18.5/100,000). In abortion it ends human life 100% of the time (unless the child survives. Look those interviews up). And if we're all told that no birth control is 100% effective, then any act of consensual sex is implicit consent to get pregnant. Sounds crazy but it's biologically true. So, saying that women experience violence when they are denied abortion seems like a big mental leap to me.
That woman's argument at 1:28 is such a joke. You think people in different parts of the country feel differently so it should be left to the states to decide? How about because different people around the country feel differently, it should be left for the individual to decide. Another pro-lifer makes the argument for choice.
For everything else, the conservative wants individual or local choice. But for this issue, if they get the chance, they'll gladly opt for a national ban on abortion.
So refreshing to see a national network foster real conversation and common ground between real women instead focusing on divisive talking points.
It was a conversation made in pretend land. The issue was not addressed.
Platitudes are not a substitute for policy.
One group thinks it's a B the other a Z. There is no compromise. One group will win the other will lose.
@@user-qx9wv3xf6u I don’t think finding consensus on advocating for funding community resources to help pregnant people in crisis is empty platitudes, but I do think it is good policy, regardless of any opinion on abortion.
@@ryanackerman8622 What's that have to do with abortion? Short of socialized medicine where procedure is guaranteed, nothing.
What common ground? You either believe that others have a say over your body, or you don't.
This is servitude and against the Constitution of the United States
Thirteenth Amendment
Section 1
Neither
slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime
whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the
United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
Section 2
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.
Definition of servitude
1 : a condition in which one lacks liberty especially to determine one's course of action or way of life
2
: a right by which something (such as a piece of land) owned by one
person is subject to a specified use or enjoyment by another
Spot on! Thank you for this!
Yes; these theocrats just see reproductive-age girls and women as fetal/prenatal biological hosts whose lives - even if disrupted & scarred by trauma - don’t really matter in relation to this now potentially forced role in these fundamentalist-religion-afflicted states.
Sickening.
are we talking about the mother or the baby?
This was a good group of women. However no one and I mean no one other than myself should have the ability to choose what's best for my life, because it's my life and if I need an abortion I'm going to get one. FULL STOP that's the choice that is available to me.
👏👏👏 agreed
AMEN .
Many people don’t have fundamentalist religious beliefs. We see sexuality as normal and healthy and not something that is “given away” or “taken”.
@@katiez688 Many religious people also see sexuality as normal and healthy. I fail to see the relevance though?
End a life for your own convenience? Wow.
I am pro-life; however, this decision to overturn Roe vs. Wade is terrible! No one should tell a woman what to do with their body. It is terrible for the government to do this.
The decision says the federal govt has no right to tell you what to do with your body. What are you complaining about. Why can't people like you actually take time to understand something.
@@johnbogert7306 Roe didn't make no one have an abortion, it was a choice...so what are you talking about ?
@@natasharobinson6572 What you talking about? The Supreme Court ended roe cause they don't want to get involved in your BS. They said its not up to them if you have an abortion. Why are people mad about that.
@@johnbogert7306 because it takes the right away federally which puts millions of women at risk. States in the south will likely implement a near all out ban meaning those who may or may not need a abortion will have to travel or be forced to carry to term a baby they don’t want to have. It also disproportionately affects minority groups seeing as the cost to travel and have an abortion is too expensive and the cost to carry and give birth is also too expensive. Overall, it’s an unfair decision and basically holding peoples bodies hostage in order to give life to a baby.
@@johnbogert7306 Point out where in Roe v Wade the government was granted the authority to tell women what to do with their bodies. I'll wait...
What a professional conversation. I'd like more level headed people like this please.
What a joke comment
The three pro-choice women stayed pretty quiet. Especially the woman in the middle, who was thinking the entire time, "All you white women just have no real perspective." And yes, that would be playing the race card, because those are the only cards she has been dealt.
I agree...a joke of a comment.
@@judithdiraddo4162 I agree but at least they aren’t screaming at eachother i guess
Great so let's talk about supporting women-
Free quality childcare
free prenatal + post-natal health services
free access to birth control
lifelong support for kids with disabilities
decent affordable housing (free if necessary)
diapers, cribs, carriages, baby formula… etc
free education beyond high school (for not just mothers + their kids, for all students)
school safety + gun control
No that is the family's responsibility you make the decision to have a kid or 4 kids you pay for that not us.
@@copperpenny7639 So which is it, a woman can make her own decisions or can't she??
@@RobinHerzig she and her man can make a decision to have 0 kids or 8 kids but all that financial responsibility should be on them for their decision to have x number of kids. You have a baby you pay for diapers formula etc. Same with prenatal visits. You got pregnant it is your responsibility to get to your prenatal visits to make sure your child is healthy. Seems like society now feels very entitled to all thus free stuff when really nobody forced these women with these guys of course minus a rape situation. No reason an already poor woman should be cranking out babies if she already cant afford 2 why she pregnant with baby 5. No reason these women should have multiple baby daddies and the guy not around so they have to go to uncle sam and the guys are also guilty. Why should taxpayers pay for that?
@@copperpenny7639 actually it is on the tax payer, and you stating that it's not is false. Likewise, when a woman is forced to give birth and she has no ability to pay for it, guess who does! Sure men will be burdened with child support on a never before seen scale, but many of them won't be able to pay either. Wanna guess again who will end up paying for all of this?
@@RobinHerzig she can make her own decisions but she shouldn’t have to have the states take care of her because of the decision 😂 your basically saying because you had a child you should live free.
Y'all are 100% entitled to be "pro-life"
Y'all aren't entitled to make everyone else be "pro-life." That's all it comes down to.
This is perfect
But we all need to be pro choice? Our tax dollars need to go to abortions? What this does is pass this down to the states you like or don’t like abortion vote on it
@@shawnboahene5231 so much of our tax dollars go to killing, it's a decoy argument. States shouldn't vote on rights, this is what the Constitution is for. The Ninth Amendment exists for a reason.
@@shawnboahene5231
Lololol your tax dollars don't go to abortions.
@@shawnboahene5231
Dude. The decision was handed down on June 24. Abortion is already illegal in 6 states. It will be illegal in about 20 by the end of the year. There will be no voting on this. Do you even know how our government works?
Great job, we need to hear both sides of issues discussed be reasonable people. Only the extremists make the news.
Forcing ppl to give birth is extreme
@@ss-ds2dn exactly.
@anhedonia if a person is pregnant and the government denies them any available means of ending the pregnancy then yes their intention is to force the pregnant person to give birth. Your analogy would make sense if restaurants allowed drugs that made you throw up food you can't/didn't want to digest and then stopped allowing it and threatened to punish you if you go to another restaurant
As a non American I grew up dreaming of living in the US and I can’t think of anything worse right now lol
Well you're nuts if you can't think of anything worse... US is still the best place on Earth. And now safer for babies.
@@amark350 The US is a savage jungle, and as a Western European who has travelled to the US and lived in several European countries, I wouldn't move to the US if you paid me.
@@quinncreel6091 : Good, we don't want you here anyway. I've been all through Europe and would not want to live there... you have to pay for catchup packs at fast food and you lack Freedom of Speech... a bunch of liberal drones that need big daddy US to protect them from their enemies because you're too weak and poor to do it yourself... have some respect for your daddy.
This is probably a concept beyond your understanding, however, the US is a huge place with many different communities... some of those communities are hostile (Chicago, for example). Then there are areas that are amazing to live. Certain towns in Florida, for example.
@@amark350 oh get off your own arse
Agreed 😂 I’m not even going to go on holiday to the place now. It’s barbaric over there
I'm glad to see there is common ground, there isn't enough being done to help support women and prevent abortions. That being said, everyone's situation is personal and complex. Unwanted pregnancies occur even with proper contraceptives, and I still think it should be up to the woman (and father) to discuss amongst themselves in private what action they take next, whether that be abortion, adoption, or raising a child. The US government should not have a say in what happens inside personal homes or doctor appointments.
Thankfully I was able to receive healthcare when I needed it, it was a scary hard discussion to have with my partner. However, because we love each other he deserved to be part of the decision, but we were on the same page. I was religiously taking my birth control, every day on time, for SEVEN years, and suddenly I was looking at a plus sign. I have medical problems that could cause complications in pregnancy/birth… Financially unstable, living with parents, still in college, mentally and emotionally unwell(in therapy), it just wasn’t the right time. It was a very sad decision, as someone who wants kids very badly someday. The whole situation was extremely stressful and terrifying; I had to keep it from my entire family, and they will probably never know. At my appointment to receive healthcare, I also opted to get a birth control implant so that hopefully this doesn’t happen again. I want the next time to be happy, joyful. Abortion should not be a primary form of birth control, but things happen and when they do you need to have a fail safe option. You need resources. Women will die because of this change in our country, it makes what I went through even more terrifying,
@@nevadag606 Thank you for sharing your story.
@@sonicizzie4817 I think banning abortion makes it fair for both sexes.
Before if a man wasn't ready to raise or support a kid but the woman did, he had no choice or say in the matter. When the kid was born he had to be involved to some degree with child support or physically being there. Or else he'd be demonised as a dead beat.
When a woman wasnt ready to have the kid she gets an abortion and is brave When in both cases they wanted to avoid responsibility for their actions.
Only now women finally feel what men have been going through, to have a kid come When you're not ready without you having a say in the matter.
Now one gets a say in the matter, makes it fair and equal in my eyes...
@intriguing Woman morning after pill works in certain parts of the female menstrual cycle.
The pill delays the egg from being released. If its already been released then the pill won't do jack shi
Those who carry their pregnancy to term made their choice. For those women who chose to have an abortion, let them make and have their choice! We don't have to like someone's decision, but, it should be their decision to make. Not you or I have the right to tell someone else how to live!
Life is the Holy Spirit only, and not the flesh! 1 Peter 1:24 - For all flesh is as grass... The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away. The flesh is what it is, and that's dirt, as the first man was formed from the dust and/or dirt of the ground and ALL humans are extensions or byproducts of that fleshly man!
Bible quotes mean nothing to me
I'm not surprised; willful ignorance is rampant!@@jamesparson
@@lasgdle2777 And it is found in churches.
Evil
@@jamesparson Those bible quotes are the Holy Spirit speaking, not me!
Since to the Supreme Court overturned Roe Vs. Wade because to legal precedent no longer matters, there's nothing stopping them from overturning gay & interracial marriages, voting rights for minorities, rights for non-citizens living in the U.S., child labor laws & children's right to a public education, or what little gun control regulations we have, all of which can be determined & regulated by each state but can easily change should political party control switches after each election!
Spreading disinformation and pushing panic as usual I see. Stop being the epitome of what is wrong in America and be better. No other judge will listen or tolerate what that lone judge said will happen about all of that. You would know that if you actually paid attention.
Overturning gay marriage would be a great end to pride month 😂
how traumatized would you be if they removed the speed limit. Sounds like you have no idea how to exist without direction rules and laws.
Folks with common sense dont have your issues mate lol
@@Rizik1986 BOOM!!!
Nothing to stop them from bring back slavery
I'm happy they are having this talk but the media seems to be real quite how the Supreme Court gutted Miranda rights.
CITIZENS OF THE U.S., THIS is how you have a conversation about opposing views!
Yes, it was very intelligent, thoughtful,and respectful.
"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.
That’s a very distasteful thing to suggest about a group of people. You do know that many of the resources trying to help these various issues are pro life ran organizations right.....? They just aren’t told to the public because POLITICIANS don’t want women to be help and want them to feel desperate
Our government is bold enough to force you to have a kid but to weak to ensure that they make it to recess alive!
@@lynnettecapobianco2757 it has nothing to do with weakness. Those are active choices being made by people. Just like uvalde. That had little to do with written law and more to do with people choosing to let it happen.
No one is against life, what women are fighting for is their right to decide what is best for them.
If you are literally bringing an end to a life, you are against life. If the fetus were left undisturbed what would the end bring? A person just like anyone one of us. The difference is your side is seeking to end those heartbeats.
I am respectfully disagreeing with you. This was a great discussion by the program, but here’s the ultimate point I’m trying to make, men should not be making laws on women’s bodies just as women should not be making laws on men’s bodies.
Not everyone believes that life begins at conception, we have this little part in the US Constitution called the First Amendment, where we have a freedom of religion (it’s also part of the First 10 Amendments called The Bill of Rights). This nation was not founded and was NOT meant to be a Christian nation. Not every religion believes that life begins at conception; they believe that life begins when a breath is taken. They believe a mothers life is more important. The mothers well-being should take precedence. The SCOTUS has taken away the religious freedom that millions of Americans have.
I hope that no one you know of had to make that heart wrenching decision to end a pregnancy. But you may know someone who unfortunately had to make that decision, a decision which is never made lightly. But they made that decision b/c they had a right to chose what to do with their body. That is a human right that all should have. This is always going to be a topic of heated debate. But what the SCOTUS has done, they have taken away that right for millions of women and have now put it onto the states, of which are governed by men who 1) have NO CLUE what women have to go through 2) NO CLUE what it’s like to get pregnant and 3) NO CLUE what’s it like having to make a decision like that. It is a human right to have the right to decide what is best for that individual.
I reiterate, no one is against life. But this country should not be making laws based on religious ideologies b/c not everyone believes the same. The US was founded on a separation of Church and State, ie, keep religion out of politics.
@@krystastefanosky6173 I do not need to believe in God to know that ending the heartbeat of your child is wrong. Thankfully the highest court agrees.
Krysta Stefanosky, respectfully, it is indisputable that life begins at conception. It is biology - from conception the new organism is a separate human - human because it has human DNA, separate because its human genome is unique from the mother's. And the sad thing is that many pro choicers consciously seem to know this, but they repress it. In your reply to Cody, you call the decision to terminate a pregnancy "heart wrenching." If the fetus isn't alive, or is less than human, what is heart wrenching about it? Would it be heart wrenching if a tapeworm or a tumor was removed?
@@krystastefanosky6173 Couldn't have said it better. Pro-lifers are the ones who during the Inquisition wouldn't have batted an eyelid at the decision to burn 'witches' at the stake. They have no empathy, no critical thinking skills and pose a threat to civilized society.
If this ugly & painful issue is exclusively only the mother's choice, than what choice does baby have? Everyone looks at this one sidedly.
At the stage that all abortions happen (besides in cases of medical necessity) the "baby" does not want anything, it is not capable of wanting anything. It's just tissue, there is no person in there yet
In this new realm women forced to carry rape seed should = the rapist be castrated.
I'm with the anti-violence lady. Life needs to be respected whether unborn or born.
What about the violence against the woman or child that is raped and then forcibly re-traumatized by having to go through with a pregnancy they never wanted or asked for? What about the violence against them?
@@bellastrange7477 As someone who has been raped and sexually assaulted on several occasions as a child, I still would not abort a baby. I was raped in college during a party. Two wrongs don't make a right. However, in the case of a young child or teen where their life is in danger, that is a different story.
@@bellastrange7477 that’s less than 4% of abortion cases.
@@stellaoltre3572 The baby deserves a choice
@@psychshell4644 You cannot oblay other women to do with their lives a choise. Even if you were raped that doesn't give you any superiority to say what other women need to do. You don't want is your choise, allow others have their choise. Wrong? Who are you to say it is wrong ? because you are not in their situations. Remember people came to suffer. Are you saying you are giving the opportunity to a baby to suffer and being abuse?
I had an abortion two years ago. The subject was raised by my husband..I was pretty much in shock. I have serious mixed feelings about this issue. Without going into detail I wasn't totally on board but I guess he convinced me it was for the best. They have me an ultrasound and have me a due date. So every year this Angel baby's birthday comes around I hurt from the deepest part of my soul. I have the what it's and wonder who this little babe would be today.. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't think about it. Just make sure it's YOUR decision and not someone else's. 💗
I’m so sorry that you had to go through that. Whether to keep or abort should always be the decision of the pregnant person, and I’m so sorry you were pressured into something you didn’t want. I hope you’re doing alright now ❤
Woman to woman: you are not alone. Many of us women regret our abortions. Have you seen live action’s video of an abortion procedure narrated by abortion doctors? It’s upsetting to watch.
Na to me the baby life is more important than the women choice...the women choice was made when she decided to have sex.
Now that Roe is overturned, it's time for an overwhelming passage of social safety net legislation to protect these precious new lives. Right? ......... Right?
they get EXTREMELY triggered when this is brought up.
well, since the issue has been returned to state legislature pro-choicers would do well to try and convince their fellow Americans with earnest, well-thought out arguments rather than antagonizing them. the point is well taken but i don't think anyones had their minds changed by sarcasm.
@@waffleman9000 Sarcasm never changes minds, I know. But then well thought out arguments are not receptive anymore either. We're dealing with indoctrination. It's cult behavior. Impervious.
@anhedonia So glad you're so knowledgeable of everyone's morals, life circumstances and social behaviors. What would we do without you?
Wrong...wrong. We've already spent a ton on social safety net legislation and all it's led to is an explosion of illegitimate births and single-parent households since 1965. The best policy to reduce single parenthood and unwanted pregnancies is to de-incentivize it through drastic reduction in the billions we already spend on these programs. When you subsidize poverty, you get more of it.
I agree that both sides need to do more to support women.
What has the pro-choice side not done to support women? And did they try to do those things, but were stopped by the Right?
Nobody has has the right to stop a woman from having an abortion. Her body, her right.
Thank you, Savannah for your consistent support for human rights across the political spectrum.
Yes, a pregnant person being *forced* to let another being use her body is excellent human rights.
@anhedonia Okay, patrons at a restaurant can vomit out the food, and a pregnant person can remove the fetus from their body.
The one thing I don’t care for, is how some of these women correlated abortion with extreme acts of violence. An abortion is not the same as death penalty for someone like a serial killer. Otherwise, more civil conversation is needed these days.
Jeremiah 1:5
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
We are all prophets to nations?
I'm glad that she knew and was talking about that one person -the future prophet.
This was way too short. We saw one lady's stance challenged (the one in the blue dress), but insufficiently, and everyone else all seemed to agree on their "commonality" without stating what that commonality actually is.
Their commonality was that they promised to make it sound like a reasonable discussion.
If women have a right to either terminate their pregnancy or choose life then why is it so difficult to understand that men should have a right to opt out of all responsibility? Equality for all?
Dave Chapelle had a great bit on this.
They actually do. That why there is so many deadbeats
@@trinadeerhodes So, I posed this question with respect. Not all States....perhaps your State does allow this. Again, lets say an couple have been together for a few months. They both have been responsible adults with respect to the prevention of pregnancy. Suppose she is on birth control and they have both decided children are not in the picture at this time.
Lets say, she gets pregnant. They have a conversation. He has reconsidered and truly wants to be a father of this child. She on the other hand, says "We've talked about this....no Im having an abortion. He has zero say. None whatsoever if she wants to terminate. But reverse the roles. She reconsiders....she wants the child but he says "We've talked about this and we both agreed we are not ready."
You apparently are arguing, "If she wants the baby...he is responsible financially for at least the next 19 years."
Surely you can see the incredible unfairness of this scenario. You want the ultimate say in yes or no regarding the baby.....regardless of the father's wishes. Then, the father has a right as well to "opt in or out." You cant have your cake and eat it too. Women and men should be treated equally and fairly in society (laws, work, pay, promotion, etc).
If you still feel that man is a deadbeat, you simply do not possess the cognitive ability to consider/understand any other person's point of view other than your own OR just dont care to consider any other's position. This personality is categorized as;
narcissistic
It is a most unattractive and unappealing trait to all.
@@leevaughn7399 my was neither for or against the morality on who is responsible. Using your logic these perfectly responsible adult can decide and he can them sign away right which removes the financial response. He would still have a choice.
The big miss in this is that a woman has to decide to risk her life to have a child. That is a risk she takes alone regardless of the wants of the man.
That is main reason it should be left to the woman is no one should be required to risk their life if they do not want to.
@@trinadeerhodes i understand fully regarding risk and agree. Perhaps I did misunderstand. If so, I apologize. Personally, If my partner tells me "Im having the baby regardless of your desire to be a father," I again personally would feel morally and ethically motivated and driven spiritually to care for "my" child. There are many men however who would not want any responsibility whatsoever. I simply feel that man should be given the freedom to "opt out" from any legal or financial liability. One wants to be a parent the other does not. Thanks
Its too bad that the network majors and even CNBC are overlooking a whole mess of commercial & business issues which are directly emerging from the Supreme Court's recent decision on Row v. Wade. Board rooms of organizations with multi-state operations are currently reconsidering their geographic footprints; some of which are now in jurisdictions presenting a high-risk criminal justice posture for their employees and contractors. The American States which are adopting the most radical anti-abortion measures are practically a template for the low Covid response States everyone saw at the peak of the pandemic. This all ads up to a high risk versus cost benefit of doing business within these "conservative" jurisdictions and every corporation is looking at this right now. Accordingly; the State of California has already placed business travel restrictions on full-time and part-time employees barring any visits to what now number seventeen American states. These organizational decisions being enacted now are not being made in a vacuum. The now conservative majority of the Supreme Court of the United States has taken what is already an intolerable or at best shaky economic situation already present in the Red States of America and made it incalculably worse. The US counties voting Republican for the office of President in 2020 currently represent only twenty-eight percent of the American GDP; denoting that these areas are in an inevitable economic tailspin. Praise the Lord and pass out the welfare checks to both the third-world citizens of these American States and the plantations where they work.
Excellent piece, I enjoyed it very much. Well Done!
I'm glad people can still sit down and talk tomorrow another respectfully without getting rude to one another. This is such a sensitive subject.
When u let people talk it can be good, when u force them to choose one way or another by taking to vote, it just divide people more and more
How the Supreme Court should of discussed when making the decision. These women are great and I hope people take a chance to listen to them
thats fair, but the Supreme Court were basing it whether or not it was protected by the constitution. I don't see the founding fathers imagining these issues in the future so it was kinda vague to work with anyways if it was being based off constitutional protection.
Pregnant Person? SMH
I also very much appreciated how civil this conversation was. Even though it was said in a calm voice, we still need to clean up stereotype-laden comments such as "white christian male viewpoints". Many females are pro-life, including my friend who told me of the damage having an abortion did to her spirit. In our country, everyone has the opportunity to vote to ultimately put people in places of power. We cannot just off handedly blame "white christian males". I'm so sick of that comment!
I'm sorry for your friend who suffered mentally from having an abortion, but she is in the minority. The vast majority of people who have an abortion don't regret it. People who are denied an abortion on the other hand do all suffer mentally from it
That lady in blue is a hypocrite in my opinion. Imagine she got pregnant by her own uncle and she lived in Tennessee where there are no exceptions…she grew up poor, she can’t go to another state for abortion. She has no choice but to bring that kid to this world. That’s a choice taken from her. Is that fair?
The vast majority of abortions have nothing to do with rape or incest - it's just women not wanting to take responsibility for their actions. If you want to understand the mind of someone that is prolife, then you have to start with the premise that it's a REAL baby being killed. I think of a baby inside a mother's stomach exactly I as think of a newborn baby.... to me, there is no difference but the location. And I could never justify killing a newborn baby NOR could I justify killing a baby located in a stomach. To prolife people, both are REAL babies..... Even if the circumstances were bad, it's still a human life and should be protected.
The more puzzling question to me... why with all the issues on this planet would liberal women choose to be passionate about killing unborn babies? Do you ever stop and think you are on the wrong side?
@@amark350 I’ve never seen a clump of cells with a baby bottle and bib.. wow what an imagination you have.
@@amark350 if “women taking responsibility for their own actions” is what your debating, then shouldn’t the focus be on stressing the need to use protection and contraceptives in both men and women, and trying to prevent unwanted pregnancies in the first place, instead of forcing a woman to do something against her own will. But even in that case, contraceptives and protection aren’t 100% guaranteed to work 100% percent of the time. So even if a couple has done everything they can to stay protected, but still ends up pregnant, would you still see it right to force someone into the excruciating pain of pregnancy and childbirth? I completely understand the anger towards people who consistently have unprotected and unresponsible sex, and get back to back abortions, but no one should be forced to carry and raise a child against their own will, especially when they do not have the means and resources to raise that child.
@@amark350 " I think of a baby inside a mother's stomach exactly I as think of a newborn baby.... to me, there is no difference but the location."
Then you are just objectively incorrect. They are not the same whatever delusion you sell to yourself. A foetus under 20 weeks is akin to a parasite. It cannot survive outside the mother's body and relies entirely on her. A baby does not need to take nutrients from its host to survive, it just needs to be fed.
They are not passionate about killing foetuses. They are passionate about being able to dictate what happens to their own body, instead of a having a group of men decide that they can be used as incubators for a baby that they do not want/cannot care for.
Shouldn't the fact that millions of babies are now going to NOT be murdered be something to celebrate out loud!?
Your thoughts?
All women should sue for back-fetus/child support since life is apparently considered at conception, All pregnancies are owed nine months of back-pay support according to law now?? Pay the Ladies for those 9 months. Sue, Sue, Sue, cases everywhere in those States??
Sue for what exactly? How many diapers does a unborn baby go through? Or baby food? Or clothes?
@@e-man1634 hospital and doctor bills are expensive. You have a crapton of procedures done before you ever give birth. I'm guessing that you have never attended prenatal appointments with anyone
@@sydmil0719 I have. There's this thing called medical insurance....
@@sydmil0719 so say $500 from co-pays. You gonna hire a $3000 lawyer to get your $250?
This should NEVER be a discussion of Psychopathic Politicians,and not even a Public topic......Privacy & Discretion.....
Where are the men in this conversation? Shouldn’t they bear part of the responsibility? They are getting a free ride at the cost to the woman and the child.
I concur 👍. Why do the father's of these unborn children are not even in the conversation? They are responsible as well
hello dear how are you doing
That's how it's always been and that's why we can't let this happen. Men will never be held to the same standard as women
@@alwaysbekindlove Money (usually very little) doesn't even come close to alleviating the physical toil and psychological turmoil of carrying, birthing and raising a kid. Men shouldn't have a say.
@@quinncreel6091 No, but they should bear part of the responsibility.
Old men should not be dictating what women do with their bodies.
It's the babies bodies that are concerned here so maybe we should hear from the babies first and foremost
Where are all the anti death penalty pro-lifers?? I would never have an abortion but i cant tell someone else not to. The bible defines personhood at first breath, not conception. Soul and personhood are two different things.
Your so right. They are no pro life they are pro birth. It’s a control thing.
I'm against all forms of violence.
Sooo to you no one can protect someone not even a baby with violence if it was up to you ??.
Forcing someone to give birth IS violence ffs
Abortion is a religious issue that needs to be kept out of government and politics, it's based on the belief that life begins at conception, which is not based in science, or specifically spoken about in the Bible, the government can't force an action or law based on religious beliefs, how would you feel is a law as passed saying that everyone who prays must face east or be arrested????
this is a really tired argument, and i urge you to check your facts. there are many nonreligious people who do not support abortion, including doctors. who base their opinions in science, philosophy, logic. there are logical conclusions to be made on both sides, with no easy solutions that will solve everything. i don’t even have a definitive opinion myself, but i recommend challenging yourself to think and observe others who think beyond this argument, as it’s an easy out that isn’t even accurate
you need to actually read the Bible. Life begins at conception. Jeremiah chapter 1. Read the entire Bible. It's amazing what you will learn.
Correction they ruled that roe v wade was never a constitutional right.
But the right to privacy and the right to your own person is. Check the 14th Amendment.
Protesters should educate themselves on how to prevent a pregnancy instead of killing defenseless unborn human beings, life begins in the womb and those lives matter and must be protected.
It never was a constitutional right!!!
Abortion is violence? Does that mean a C section is violence? A hysterectomy? And yes. Your view is based on religious belief🤦🏻♂️
Take men out of this decision and you have way more logical, respectful and compassionate conversations.
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It doesn’t make sense to have them in these conversations anyway. Most of them don’t even know female anatomy.
Cool, so we abolish child support?
@@Nimish204 when did I say that? I was making an observation that when men aren’t at the table, conversations are all the things I listed. Where did you get child support from abortion?
The problem is not abortion or killing the baby or the fetus. The problem is responsible sexual intercourse. If people would just practise safe sex the women would not get pregnant, and abortion would not be a problem. Or if parents and teachers would teach their sons to be well-mannered and respectful towards each other, especially women or teach them how to treat a woman, they could prevent them from being future sexual assaulters there for women would not be raped or carry the baby of a rapist. So it is better to aim at the source of the problem.
Instead of respecting women, why can't we consider the father of the babies feelings? All I hear is the women saying that the baby is 100% theirs. Their body. Then when the baby shows up mom is at the child support office because daddy needs to pay up. Nobody care whatsoever about how the mom can abort and get dad loses his child.
Sorry, but speaking as a guy, a woman is not an incubator. It's nice if the guy wants to keep the child; but if the woman doesn't she shouldn't be treated as a gestation chamber for 9 months until the guy gets his child.
@@narcissistichumility1269 once she becomes pregnant, that is literally her job - the function of her uterus, the hormones in her body that help the fetus thrive.... its literally just being a woman. If she had consensual sex, yes the man shld b a part of the process - its just as much his as hers
Exactly
It's terrible that in certain States if you get knocked up you can get locked up
My sister went to jail last week for getting pregnant 😥
I'm not a Christian white male but when I hear someone refered to as that pisses me off.
Yeah, it’s basically identity politics. It’s the age old fallacy of using someone’s sex/religion to invalidate their opinion.
This conversation is basically a complete sham. 3 pro-choice vs 1 and maybe a half at most supposedly pro-life.
This wasn't a legitimate conversation, if anything it was a controlled discussion.
Uh, abortion was never a Constitutional right.
Hate to break it to you.
Abortion was never a constitutal right nowhere in it does it once mention that
fetus not a person under the Constitution
@anhedonia
The fetus has never been recognized as a person under the Constitution.
That's why abortion is not banned in every state.
The High Court acknowledged that the fetus is not a person under the Constitution when allowing Dobbs to stand where doctor assisted abortions were allowed into the 2nd trimester.
Also the woman is immune from prosecution under Dobbs (Mississippi statute),
AND no jail time for doctors violating Mississippi statute
Justices were okay with no jail time for doctors killing fetuses.
@anhedonia
Also doctor assisted abortion is lawful on federal property since the fetus not a person under the Constitution.
@anhedonia
In post Roe America,
Perfectly legal for the woman to procure an abortion by any means at any time of her pregnancy in any state AND that includes taking abortion pills without a doctor's prescription.
Perfectly legal for the woman to travel to another state to procure doctor assisted abortion into the 3rd trimester then return to her home state.
Is overturning Roe the end game for the Prolife control freaks???
@anhedonia
So the fetus is not a person under the Constitution.
Question for all! women. When you were in your mothers womb, was it your body or your mother's??
Great question
My mothers🥰
My mothers
Why no men in this discussion?
Because y’all don’t birth babies nor do you get affected by the physically and emotional toll of pregnancy maybe that’s why
@@Writing-tu6jc okay so men shouldn't have to pay child support then?
@@trendynow1369 That’s no where near an even playing field women also pay for their children. 😆🤭women risk dying during child birth. Men risk NOTHING! Stop trying to be a victim you get no pity over here!😂
@@xamarialouis6622 women dying at birth is the lamest excuse! That may have been a concern 100 years ago. Present day that chance is 0.001%. Women ARE NOT dying at birth at any type of rate that make abortions reasonable.
Get a clue. People do it as contraception. Plain and simple.
At 1 month, your "clump of cells" has hands, feet, heart, face, etc.
Keep calling it a "fetus" to dehumanize the significance of what it truly is. A baby. A Human.
I believe common ground was found here and it was beautiful. I agree, neither side is actually supporting women right now.
I call BS. What party is for helping families receive quality daycare? Pre-K? Paid parental leave?
Let me help you out. It is not the Republican Party. The Democratic Party is about helping families and the average person out.
The catholic church is supporting woman is doing the most for them. You just don't know because they don't boast about it.
@@nichellerodriguez1524 yeah cause my gas tank and bills agree with that one lol let's go Brandon.
@@guardtheham1233 Gas will come down (it is already) and inflation will settle, but the government will still control women's bodies.
@@queent3343 How when it's another humans body?
Did she really say mom or pregnet person? Just wow
To Savannah Ackerman (one of the women in the panel): To force someone to carry a child against their will is violence. To force a young girl (a child) or a woman who has been raped, either by a stranger or a family member, to carry a child is violence. To not save a woman´s live if the fetus is not viable and let her suffer, come close to death or die, because the fetus still has a heartbeat, is violence. All of this is torture. So for you to sit there to say you are against violence and torture in all it´s form and be 100% against abortions is very hypocritical of you.
In Oklahoma we banned abortions, but made exceptions for rape and incest as long as a police report was filed. We also made an exception if the Mother's life is in danger. I don't think most pro life people want a woman to be forced to carry the child of their rapist.
@@joegambino9792 Even removing rape and incest it's still violence to force someone to do something with their body against their will. If you were forced to give up your kidney to save someone's life, or forced to move somewhere against your will, with the state forcing you to comply that would be pretty clearly recognized as violence. Wombs for some reason are treated differently under the law.
there's consequences to fornication. Some married couples want to limit the number of children that they have. That's between them and Almighty God. People act like they never heard of abstinence. You know good old -fashioned self control. Discipline. If you behave like an alley cat the consequences go with it. Including venereal diseases. Rape and incest cases should be handled with much guidance from the Most High God. Ever researched the outcomes of babies born from rape? By the way, adoption is an option. If all the unwanted babies were aborted, couples who want to adopt would be stuck out. Some people can't have children and want to adopt.
@@spellbound1875 yes! Best explanation I’ve read. Your so right.
@@carolynwilliams7414 The foster care system is overflowing in America currently with more children than safe homes. This harms thousands of children ever year. More than 100,000 children are available for adoption in the U.S. right now so I don't think couples look to adopt are lacking options.
Beyond that many people who engage in safe sex within the confines of marriage (such as one married couple I know who got pregnant after the man got a vasectomy) still find themselves pregnant in spite of their efforts to avoid such an outcome. Unless your argument is that sex should only be used for procreation (in which case you're out of step with most christian belief systems world wide) why do you insist on using a system which punishes people who are doing all of the necessary things to avoid "fornicating" but still get pregnant?
As another point why do you endorse a policy that can force a women to carry the corpse of her child within her body for days or weeks? That's another outcome of mandating births. Sometimes your kid dies before being born and without access to abortive care some women are forced to go through the traumatic experience of being forced to give birth to their dead child, which is by all accounts a pretty horrific thing to do. If violence and harm are what's viewed as the problem, why are the harms experienced by mothers ignored in these conversations? Why does the theoretical harm to an infant take precedence over the actual harm experienced by women?
man. that was one of the most civil talks about a very touchy subject. they each remained respectful of their opinions towards the subject.
Legalized abortion makes sense for corporate America. Childless worker bees cost less than those with offspring. Maternity leave, dependents on healthcare plans, and other offspring related issues lower profit margins.
It actually makes sense to force pregnancies to force parents to take more jobs to sustain that future baby. Which, when grown up will become another consumer and worker. Now tell me who wins?
Modern medical miracles have made this a Completely Safe & Clean.
I against a abortion. I'm a democratic, 60 yr old female. But try it to judge others in their decision. Support these women with help in adoption. Go after the daddy's as well.
I don't give a hoot how someone feels about abortion. You don't agree with an abortion, then don't have one.
“The only choice she has is LIFE”
Um is that bad??
That's not the point. She is pointing out the stupidity in that comment. The pro-life said "choices." There are only 2. It was a dumb comment.
@@jammzy2959 well she does have choices she can choose adoption she can choose to raise her child it’s not like she has no choices she just doesn’t have the one choice of abortion.
@@yveje9720 all the choices you listed are what we call "life" sweetie. 🙄 Abortion is death vs. life. Let's keep it simple because I don't think pro-lifers really wants to talk about actual lives. They start to stutter.
@@jammzy2959 um yes choose life not death for your child. That is basic human decency
@@yveje9720 You do realize child birth is risking a women’s life? Not everyone woman is willing to take that risk.
When I was young and optimistic and thought, I knew it all I wasn't particularly anti-abortion. I used to think, if you don't want to have an abortion then don't have one. Then I saw one being performed. I watched as the vacuum devise penetrated the amniotic sack and began to suck out the contents. I foolishly thought that a fetus didn't have any sense that it was being aborted until I saw it's little arms and legs ripped apart on the monitor as it opened it's little mouth in what must have been agony. I couldn't watch any more, it literally made me sick. Like many people, I didn't realize that a fetus could be self-aware enough to feel pain--that it was just a blob of cells without feelings or emotion. I found out I was wrong. While I don't brow beat people with my opinion, whenever I run across someone who is pro-choice, I encourage them to watch an abortion being performed and see how they feel about it afterwards.
Democrats-"Let's put abortion clinics in predominantly poor black neighborhoods and pass out free addictive drug paraphernalia to them "
Blacks-"Let's vote Democrat because they care about us"
On the contrary, I live in Memphis TN[...68% Black!], & I can assure U, all of the abortion providers are located in the more "affluent" areas!!!(...as well as, other cities I've lived & grown-up in, sooo, There's That?!! 🤨)
U.Tried.It, tho!!! 🖕😉
Tell me you’re bigoted w/out telling me you’re bigoted 🙄
I wish I could see the whole discussion because they probably shortened it... I would love to hear all of their thoughts and comments in a whole
Some women say: "My body, my choice".
But when you go for an abortion, it's the BABY'S body that is getting ripped and torn into pieces, not YOUR body.
If that unborn child could speak, maybe it would say with a loudspeaker...."STOP...I WANT TO LIVE!!!". You are selflessly killing any chance of that!
Honestly I'm not really sure what to make of the whole abortion debate but arguments like these I feel don't paint the right picture. The baby didn't ask to be born either, what If it's screaming don't bring me into this world?
What if the woman being forced to carry is a death sentence to both?
@@brookehuff2528you make a very good point. That's a situation where i believe she needs to consult with her doctor and definitely deserves choice.
@@ratotoulie If doctors determine the unborn child is healthy...."sorry my boy/girl out you come, that's life!".
@@virtueq you won’t find out if the fetus in question is “healthy”until the 20 week anatomy scan. You can’t even detect an actual fetal heartbeat until around 13 weeks.
If abortion is illegal then we still need more laws making reproductive issues equal. I am pro choice. If women can't legally get abortion. Men need to register their DNA with selective service at 18. That way if women are forced to keep unwanted pregnancy, men are also legally responsible every single time, for every child
The anti slavery people were religious people. The civil rights people were religious people. Just saying....
Pro-slavery and anti-civil rights people were also religious people. All you’re proving is that religious people existed in those times and they had opinions.
But with all the science and technology and progress we've made being religious and being blind to science and research is stupid. And religious people are delusional these days they are not like religious people of the past that's for sure
@@binaryvoid0101 Read about the abolitionist movement (i.e. books not written by political hacks)
@@Me-wk9eo Yes, Democrats are the party of science and the fetus is a blob of tissue. Feminists are the most religious people I know.
@@michaelschaefer1904 Most doctor's are pro-choice for obvious reasons. They're intelligent and educated and understand the nuances and complexities of the issue. On the contrary, I'm sorry to say but most people that are super religious tend to be less educated. They don't care about science until it suits their needs/agenda but don't bother to learn about it or educate themselves further. Instead they rely on a book written thousands of years ago that can be interpreted hundreds of different ways (how many branches of xtianity are there?) And they all claim their interpretation is the absolute and only correct one! How hilarious! There is nothing wrong with believing in a God. I actually believe a God exists. However I have a good head on my shoulders and let me let you in on a little secret.... I practice empathy and my moral compass is guided by empathy not the Old testament full of creepy little stories. And hey I think Jesus was a great guy but I know he doesn't want me to go to church and sing his name every Sunday. He wants me to go out t here, practice and empathy, and use that smart mind God gave me to better the world in some way.
Republicans voted down BBB which would give support to women with needs.
I'm not religious but I find the reality of aborting babies at 5 months super gruesome and cannot support such practices. I think 90 plus percent of terminations are elective not medically necessary.
9 out of 10 abortions are made before 10 weeks. This is literally a pill taken to expel the foetus. I do agree that I don’t like the idea of 5 month abortions but it’s not my business to tell someone what they should or shouldn’t do. All I care about is what I would do in a certain situation.
My vagina on my period is super gruesome doesn’t make it wrong lol. 92 percent are preformed in the first trimester and later are for medical reasons. I’m not hating on you but geez
@@Writing-tu6jc Crushing the skulls and dismembering the bodies of young, living human beings is not just gruesome, it’s evil. Late term abortion are not life saving abortions. Various studies by Planned Parenthood have found they’re done for purely socioeconomic reasons.
@@bruvlol9573 Lmao
@@Writing-tu6jc I can’t find anything particularly funny about my comment. You?
Id always choose abortion, simply because i do not wish to give birth. Never have never will want that. But unfortunately i am not allowed to tie my tubes, which is what i want, so i would never have to worry about it. So if i did get pregnant abortion would be my only option.
Wonderful, now the Republican party has a common ground with the Taliban: regulating women's bodies.. Kumbaya🤣🤣🤣
We're not "anti-abortion" we're PRO-LIFE
If you're not against abortions then the term anti-abortion isn't refering to you.
SCOTUS simply sent it back to the people to decide. Abortion is simply not in the constitution or bill of rights. They’re saying make it law. So make it law. Every other country didn’t do it through a court but in their statues. I’m pro-life and a republican but even RBG said it was on shaky ground. You can be pro life and accept the law of the land. Here’s an opportunity to get it done the right way.
Then the people should vote on it not some paid off politicians.
And that would be great if the states wasn’t waiting to ban it. If the states went in and listened to their people that would be different but they were just waiting to ban it. Just like everyone was out there chanting my body my choice about wearing a mask the state can’t tell me what to do with my uterus. Can’t have it both ways.
And that would be great if the states wasn’t waiting to ban it. If the states went in and listened to their people that would be different but they were just waiting to ban it. Just like everyone was out there chanting my body my choice about wearing a mask the state can’t tell me what to do with my uterus. Can’t have it both ways.
The filibuster isn't in the Constitution which is why it isn't law explain how that is okay.
Yeah all very well if it wasn't rigged with gerrymandering and voter suppression.
It should just boil down to the woman’s decision and what she can mentally deal with.
Abortion was NEVER a Constitutional Right. It was, like the many other invented rights like the Right to Privacy, something created by legal fiat, yet real Constitutional Rights, like the First and Second Amendment rights are ignored, trampled on, and not protected by the Federal government. That means in reality the same people who claim to champion Abortion as a right actually do not care about Constitutional Rights, as they seek to limit and restrict Second Amendment through Gun Control ('to save lives') on the one hand, and with the other hand enforce a non-Constitutional policy, calling it a "Woman's Right" (which is Sexist to do) so the same people who claim to be Feminists are in fact Sexist, as they take lives through abortion.
Sweetie turn your phone off please
a militant and law enforcement compliance approach to compulsory and non consensual reproduction is unnatural and dangerous to the point of being pro death, sickness, and disability. The stress alone will devitalize the body and the low morale created by the lack of autonomy and forced, punitive breeding is so sick and disgusting. We are moralizing ourselves into our demise. We should let more natural forces take over. Being a grandfather should be an honor, never a thing you can automatically expect or she die trying or miscarry.
Overturning roe was a victory for the US, the constitution, and importantly LIFE
You say you care about life but what about these babies after their born they no longer matter once they are out of the womb? More kids put in foster care and the system.
Pro lifers only care about the baby until it clears the birth canal. How many babies have you saved after birth?
It can't be a victory in the slightest way because now the situation from state to state is messed up
I'd love to see how you accept rape-baby or incest-baby in your own family. I want you to tell your daughter, mom or your sister to live with it, say good things about the proud father, smiling telling the neighbours " oh it was love at first sight and then they made the baby..such a happy relationship it was while it lasted...oh where is the father?..eh..uh ..his ship has come through " ...Easy to judge about others, eh?
Nah it messed up and you're obviously too simple minded to understand how complex the issue is. I can't be around stupid people
Not far into video atm but that Savannah putting police brutalities and capital punishment in same box as abortion just doesnt sit right with me.