as relevant as ever. cannot go a single day without thinking and applying systems thinking. influenced my views on sustainability greatly, recognizing that we must address racial capitalism if we are to address environmental issues. nothing operates outside of each other. things as mundane as food relates back to politics and the economy. thank you dana for your wisdom
Great Donella Meadows presentation on whole systems theory (the science of understanding complexity instead of reductionism). Limits to growth is explained in different ways using different techniques incl. systems modeling. Dr. Meadows is referring to Dr Karl-Henrik Robert and the sustainability principles several times. The principles have since been updated especially the 4th (Social) principle.
@Daniel Natal exactly. See also my MASTERPLAN : YES WE CAN 2016 - 2116 🌏 YES WE CAN 2016 - 2116 is an encouragement for mankind to save a sustainable biosphere on earth by a free decision for OneChildPolicy. To reduce worldpopulation from 7.4 Billion in 2016 to the tolerable size of TWO Billion (2x10^9) according to ecological research e. g. Donella and Dennis Meadows ('Beyond the Limits'), Stanford- University of California (Biologist Paul R. Ehrlich, 'The Population Bomb') and the BertTheAce Research-Institute for Ecology (Foundation, 'World Biosphere') we need FOUR Generations (100 years) of OneChildPolicy worldwide on a free decision. If we succeed with worldwide OCP for the coming 100 years, mankind has a good chance to reach a balance between consumption of natural resources, pollution and recovery of a sustainable biosphere for thousands of generations.......and isn't the care for our biosphere on earth a better option for mankind, than to try to escape to Mars, who did already loose his biosphere ? HISTORY will CONFIRM BertTheAce and his MASTERPLAN 'YES WE CAN 2016 - 2116' Link: ua-cam.com/video/i48bb22fPdI/v-deo.html
"as the spirit moves me" - the solutions to our problems are with the spirit...tis a question not of the awareness that is in our heads but the awareness by which we live...blessings
Her point at 21:50 is so good. Talking about the economy outside of the environment is like talking about an organ trying to function outside of the body. It doesn’t. It ceases to work. Unfortunately, the US is getting ready to experience exactly what this means. Godspeed to anyone listening to her wisdom in 2022
It should be a requirement that ALL postings must readily evidentiate the replete, specific date, that the original information was presented & or posted. This just overtly evidentiates the utter lackings of common sense regulations, let alone ethical standards ! 😮
Unfortunately, I never was able to track down the date--I borrowed this VHS from one of my grad school professors and converted it to DVD; never did hear when she visited!
The introductory slide indicates the lecture was given on Thursday, March 14. March 14th fell on a Thursday in 1996, 1991, 1985, etc. The series was affiliated as a "Journey to Detroit" / Pres. Council for a Sustainable America / Town Hall Meeting in Detroit which took place in 1999. (I couldn't find any reference to it taking place on another year.) So, I would venture, the lecture took place in 1996?
1999. The National Town Meeting for a Sustainable America was in 1999 according to an archived Clinton site. I googled it because I wanted to cite this lecture.
I don’t see how an ecologist, using traditional reductionist methods, would not come to the same conclusions and observations. Does this mean that all ecologists are system analysts? Is this something that was always there but now has I catchy name tag?
When considering the behaviour of Presidents within the system, there are exceptions occasionally. Indeed. Had she lived she would have been interested to see how Trump is dismantling the system around him.
I think about this lecture within the context of the current presidency all. the. time. When he was elected, I assumed "he can only do so much"...boy, was I wrong; he has dismantled that system.
@@jenniferfoster4577 Obama and Bush and Clinton before that were doing GREAT! .. Encouraging the CCP to run rampant with input production factor standards consisting of exploiting a population with zero human rights and destroying the environment.
m.......maam maam could u possibly say the exact opposite of everything you just said for example instead of saying we are all doomed and we are all polluting the earth could you aay the planet is going to constantly improve, we have got pollution under our control! ?!:)
A brilliant woman with so much wisdom. I wrote a dissertation on how to use systems thinking to problem solve in 2020. This is timeless knowledge.
You also did a wonderful job with your dissertation. And the result is also: HOW can we reach SUSTAINABILITY: ua-cam.com/video/Yclt9mzH0GI/v-deo.html
how2solve?
I'd love to read your dissertation, zarida. Is it available? Thanks!
@@BethBarany hi Beth, can you connect with me via LinkedIn and we discuss further. Thanks
Same question, is there a way to access your dissertation?
What an excellent academic with a brilliant mind and compassion for the earth. I wish I could be present in that classroom.
She was such a great teacher! One of the smartest people of her generation!
as relevant as ever. cannot go a single day without thinking and applying systems thinking. influenced my views on sustainability greatly, recognizing that we must address racial capitalism if we are to address environmental issues. nothing operates outside of each other. things as mundane as food relates back to politics and the economy. thank you dana for your wisdom
a bunch of evil, irrelevant communist gibberish
Great Donella Meadows presentation on whole systems theory (the science of understanding complexity instead of reductionism). Limits to growth is explained in different ways using different techniques incl. systems modeling. Dr. Meadows is referring to Dr Karl-Henrik Robert and the sustainability principles several times. The principles have since been updated especially the 4th (Social) principle.
@Daniel Natal exactly. See also my MASTERPLAN :
YES WE CAN 2016 - 2116 🌏
YES WE CAN 2016 - 2116 is an encouragement for mankind to save a sustainable biosphere on earth by a free decision for OneChildPolicy. To reduce worldpopulation from 7.4 Billion in 2016 to the tolerable size of TWO Billion (2x10^9) according to ecological research e. g. Donella and Dennis Meadows ('Beyond the Limits'), Stanford- University of California (Biologist Paul R. Ehrlich, 'The Population Bomb') and the BertTheAce Research-Institute for Ecology (Foundation, 'World Biosphere') we need FOUR Generations (100 years) of OneChildPolicy worldwide on a free decision. If we succeed with worldwide OCP for the coming 100 years, mankind has a good chance to reach a balance between consumption of natural resources, pollution and recovery of a sustainable biosphere for thousands of generations.......and isn't the care for our biosphere on earth a better option for mankind, than to try to escape to Mars, who did already loose his biosphere ?
HISTORY will CONFIRM BertTheAce and his MASTERPLAN
'YES WE CAN 2016 - 2116'
Link:
ua-cam.com/video/i48bb22fPdI/v-deo.html
Lecture starts at 7:00.
"as the spirit moves me" - the solutions to our problems are with the spirit...tis a question not of the awareness that is in our heads but the awareness by which we live...blessings
Fine contribution to complex systems science-architecture-engineering and management !
I just took my uni exam on her book " Thinking in systems".
I very much enjoyed it
Thanks a ton, for the video series. Learnt a lot from them, and has triggered more thoughts on a work in progress mind.
Glad you enjoyed!
Fantastic lectures. As always!
Her point at 21:50 is so good. Talking about the economy outside of the environment is like talking about an organ trying to function outside of the body. It doesn’t. It ceases to work. Unfortunately, the US is getting ready to experience exactly what this means. Godspeed to anyone listening to her wisdom in 2022
It was not stated or at least was not made clear - the date of the lecture was March 18, 1999. (Just 2 years before her untimely death.)
It should be a requirement that ALL postings must readily evidentiate the replete, specific date, that the original information was presented & or posted. This just overtly evidentiates the utter lackings of common sense regulations, let alone ethical standards ! 😮
Starts @6:30 or so.
Great!
Thanks for the upload!
Anyone know the date of this lecture? year at least? I'd like to reference it.
Thanks
Unfortunately, I never was able to track down the date--I borrowed this VHS from one of my grad school professors and converted it to DVD; never did hear when she visited!
The introductory slide indicates the lecture was given on Thursday, March 14. March 14th fell on a Thursday in 1996, 1991, 1985, etc. The series was affiliated as a "Journey to Detroit" / Pres. Council for a Sustainable America / Town Hall Meeting in Detroit which took place in 1999. (I couldn't find any reference to it taking place on another year.) So, I would venture, the lecture took place in 1996?
1999
March 18, 1999
@@musicalbelle Thanks for doing that.
Presentation maybe of 1993 or 1999 ?
1999. The National Town Meeting for a Sustainable America was in 1999 according to an archived Clinton site. I googled it because I wanted to cite this lecture.
Why don't these people get involved in politics. Here in 2022 watching the world burn and Dana already had it figured out so many years ago!
I don’t see how an ecologist, using traditional reductionist methods, would not come to the same conclusions and observations. Does this mean that all ecologists are system analysts? Is this something that was always there but now has I catchy name tag?
Great 14:42
When considering the behaviour of Presidents within the system, there are exceptions occasionally. Indeed. Had she lived she would have been interested to see how Trump is dismantling the system around him.
I think about this lecture within the context of the current presidency all. the. time. When he was elected, I assumed "he can only do so much"...boy, was I wrong; he has dismantled that system.
Just another leftist freak.
@@jenniferfoster4577 Obama and Bush and Clinton before that were doing GREAT! .. Encouraging the CCP to run rampant with input production factor standards consisting of exploiting a population with zero human rights and destroying the environment.
m.......maam
maam
could u possibly say the exact opposite of everything you just said
for example
instead of saying
we are all doomed and we are all polluting the earth
could you aay
the planet is going to constantly improve, we have got pollution under our control!
?!:)
So in hindsight, "sustainable development" is an obvious oxymoron
boooorrrrinnggg!!!!!
then why watch 😭
bc they're bored and alone😭
Love this lecture and hearing them speak logically and passionately