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Because, Germany urged USA to not declare war on the European Front, and told them that "Japanese Empire is a huger threat" in return of post-war elections in some occupied territory
Nice video! As we all know, there are many works like book, movies, series and games that present a world where the axis won WWII, but who has at least once made a personal work where the axis won the Second World War and perhaps shared it with his/her friends? I am currently still working on one, yet unlike many who write these types of works, which are mostly focused on fictional characters who play a part in this alternate timeline, I am currently writing general information about every nation in my own fictional timeline. I'm better when it comes to world building rather than storytelling. The name of my work is called "The New World After 1945", which is set in a Cold War between the US, Germany and Japan. It always starts with the background, which presents historical information as in our timeline and at some point or points where things took an alternate turn. After the background I would to to the territory of the nation, then to the economy, then the military power, then the Culture, ideology, religion and society (all in one part) and lastly the politics (both domestic and foreign). The information goes until the end of augustus 1955. The only 3 nations or I should better say empires where things are written a bit different are the Greater Germanic Reich, the Italian Empire and the Japanese Empire. Here I would leave the territory and the economy for after the politics and give a detailed info about the territory and local economy of every sub nation. What do I mean by that? For example the core of the GGR or the other Reichskommissariats like Ostland or Moskowien. The only sub nations I wrote separately are the 3 colonies in Africa (from Germany, Italy and Spain). If anyone else here had at least once made and alternate timeline where the Axis won WWII or even from another historical period, place it in the comments and spread your ideas and imaginations.
This is a great video but I particularly love the part where it says pearl harbor was bombed on January 16th 1942 even with the "Yesterday, December 7th, 1941..." over it
I know it's fiction but the USSR would destroy the oil fields, lose more men, germany would also lose way more, the societs would probably able to go on a large successful counteroffensive towards the end as reaching the Caucasus, engaging in urban combat in Lenongrad and TWICE in Moscow and THEN pushong further beyond is just insane. The logistics would be a Nightmare, the german lines hilariously overstretched and would leave many vulnerable gaps for societ counterattacks, the deeper they push into russia the less friendly the climate and terrain gets, german tanks aren't suited for bad terrain and unreliable. Also the soviets would eventually learn, which means that eventually they will use the knowledge of what works against the germans and do a massive, well prepared counteroffensive and ambush a whole german army group, destroying axis offensive capabilities and break their overstreched lines. From that point on the german front would face the risk of total collapse as a broken but still large russian war machine in the urals still tirelessly pressures them. I would reckon that the soviets would be able to push until they liberate Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow but probably would dry out too so i think they would leave it from there and establish a border from the volga in the south to moscow and Leningrad. If they will be unexpectedly successful in destrying the german army in siberia the could very well set the border on a Dniepr line as from that point overcoming the german Ostwall defenses there would be too costly and not feasible after the campaigns to take back russia.
Therefore, the Germans just stopped near the Volga. Just a decade later, they lost Moskowien, and got their oil fields bombed again, harming the Axis economy
You never addressed Operation Torch, which has no reason not to occur by the criteria of this video. Total Victory for Axis still must assume the US is in the war til the end, because a 1942 truce just doesn’t make sense.
Axis did not declare war on USA, and by 1942, they signed an agreement that after the war, an election or referendum will be held on France, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, in exchange for peace concessions.
After all, this video was created quite a time ago(April 2022), so this video may contain numerous historical errors that weren't addressed, and on a professional perspective, I admit that this video barely looked realistic at all.
@@DeathBringer138 Fair enough, Torch may have been cancelled if Germany/taly never declared war, though Roosevelt did plan on going to war with them anyways no matter what.
They still had much of their industry built in the Urals, and benefited from Marshall Plan aid, thus they recover from the war quickly, and their advances in Asia led to a communist China in the 1950s. Around 1955-1960, the Soviets invade R.K. Moskowien
@@DeathBringer138i dont think the soviets would have surrendered intill atleast the urals i mean if you look at the stale mate front the soviets would suspect a major german offensive but they still held on to their industry and lots of its manpower (though the soviets would lose around 34M not 24M due to this)
@@anonymuz796 а почему немцы взяли Москву? Почему они пошли на такой риск, оставив фланги в опасности? Я имею в виду, что вообще изменилось-то? В реальности немцы тоже шли на Астрахань (почти), но застряли в Сталинграде. Им нужна была и нефть южного Кавказа, и Сталинград, как важный транспортный пункт. Если бы немцы акцентировались на городе, то фланги были бы обнажены. Если бы немцы акцентировались на нефти, то Союз смог бы их остановить, ибо снабжение войск продолжалось бы, и оно было бы даже лучше, чем в реальности, так как Сталинград не пришлось бы защищать
@@DeathBringer138 а что произошло, что немцы стали более компетентными? То есть они стали меньше ошибок делать? А почему? Что их сподвигло делать так, и почему это в конце им помогло? Вся последующая информация о ленд-лизе основывается на Википедии - западном сайте, запрещённом на территории Российской Федерации. А именно на статьях: о ленд-лизе США Советскому Союзу; о военном производстве стран в годы Второй Мировой Войны. Ленд-лиз США оценивается в 9,16 млрд $ США по курсу июня 1941 года. В 1941 году - 29,5 млн (0,32%). В 1942 году - 1 363,3 млн (14,88%). В 1943 году - 2 965,9 млн (32,38%). В 1944 году - 3 429,1 млн (37,44%). В 1945 году - 1 372,0 млн (14,98%). По курсу июня 2023 года (инфляция - 1965,47%) ленд-лиз оценивается в 189 192,31 млн $ США. По курсу июня 2023 года: в 1941 году - 609,31 млн; в 1942 году - 28 158,55 млн; в 1943 году - 61 259,17 млн; в 1944 году - 70 827,03 млн; в 1945 году - 28 338,25 млн. ВВП СССР в 1941-1945 годах оценивается в 1 643 млрд $ США по курсу декабря 1990 года. В 1941 году - 359 млрд. В 1942 году - 274 млрд. В 1943 году - 305 млрд. В 1944 году - 362 млрд. В 1945 году - 343 млрд. Если мы вычтем из общего ВВП 56% ВВП за 1941 год и 50% за 1945 год, мы получим 1 270,46 млрд. По курсу июня 2023 года (инфляция - 128,48%) ВВП СССР в 1941-1945 годах оценивается в 3 753,93 млрд $ США. По курсу июня 2023 года: в 1941 году - 820,24 млрд; в 1942 году - 626,04 млрд; в 1943 году - 696,86 млрд; в 1944 году - 827,10 млрд; в 1945 году - 783,69 млрд. Если мы вычтем из общего ВВП 56% ВВП за 1941 год и 50% за 1945 год, мы получим 2902,75 млрд. Поделив 2 902,75 млрд на 189 192,31 млн (189,19231 млрд), получится 15,34. ВВП СССР в годы войны в 15,34 раза больше, чем ленд-лиз США. У Рейха просто никогда не было шанса добиться таких успехов, если основная ветка историии почти не поменялась
@@becalelbecalelew7262 так если бы они силы, брошенные на Сталинград(и Воронеж), отправили в Астрахань, которая находится дельта Волги и прикрыли бы фланги(не итальянцами и румынами), то южная группировка войск РККА была бы реально отрезана от снабжения кроме как через Иран и каспийское море, которое шло довольно медленно, потому в скором времени могли быть захвачены нефтяные месторождения Азербайджана и в случае принуждения Ирана к смене стороны, то и Туркменистана. Конечно у Сталинграда пропускная способность была больше, но ключом к Волге и Югу была Астрахань.
@@rasyaar5124because if they did prevent so, this will cause Operation Unthinkable-like event, but with Allies and USA declaring war against Germany and not the USSR.
There are still somewhat a bunch of issues at the time of the making of the video(April 2022), but it's a long time ago, so I could make a better mapping scenario later on
I know, but the reason why they managed to win is because they don't have to fight the US in the war(in exchange for US-supervisioned elections in France, Norway, and Denmark), and the Soviets becoming unlucky in the early stages of the war
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This is, amazing!
Thanks! I have been planning to make this video all the way back from May of 2021, and I just have the time to make it now.
Agreed
The g commented
Basically the beginning of Thousand Week Reich. Except mainland France doesn't stay Fascist.
Because, Germany urged USA to not declare war on the European Front, and told them that "Japanese Empire is a huger threat" in return of post-war elections in some occupied territory
The only diferrence is that in russia the borders are more similar to tno
@@elso19473TNO post 1st WRW
TNO borders and TWR lore, I like it
a little TNO lore got leaked into TWR but it wasnt the WRW part
Nice video! As we all know, there are many works like book, movies, series and games that present a world where the axis won WWII, but who has at least once made a personal work where the axis won the Second World War and perhaps shared it with his/her friends?
I am currently still working on one, yet unlike many who write these types of works, which are mostly focused on fictional characters who play a part in this alternate timeline, I am currently writing general information about every nation in my own fictional timeline. I'm better when it comes to world building rather than storytelling. The name of my work is called "The New World After 1945", which is set in a Cold War between the US, Germany and Japan.
It always starts with the background, which presents historical information as in our timeline and at some point or points where things took an alternate turn. After the background I would to to the territory of the nation, then to the economy, then the military power, then the Culture, ideology, religion and society (all in one part) and lastly the politics (both domestic and foreign). The information goes until the end of augustus 1955.
The only 3 nations or I should better say empires where things are written a bit different are the Greater Germanic Reich, the Italian Empire and the Japanese Empire. Here I would leave the territory and the economy for after the politics and give a detailed info about the territory and local economy of every sub nation. What do I mean by that? For example the core of the GGR or the other Reichskommissariats like Ostland or Moskowien. The only sub nations I wrote separately are the 3 colonies in Africa (from Germany, Italy and Spain).
If anyone else here had at least once made and alternate timeline where the Axis won WWII or even from another historical period, place it in the comments and spread your ideas and imaginations.
Dont add Turkey to the Axis they had good relations with the Soviets
Its funny that the guy who made this video is the same guy that made the unofficial epilogue to the awakening
This is a great video but I particularly love the part where it says pearl harbor was bombed on January 16th 1942 even with the "Yesterday, December 7th, 1941..." over it
The admittedly ironic part in the video
I know it's fiction but the USSR would destroy the oil fields, lose more men, germany would also lose way more, the societs would probably able to go on a large successful counteroffensive towards the end as reaching the Caucasus, engaging in urban combat in Lenongrad and TWICE in Moscow and THEN pushong further beyond is just insane. The logistics would be a Nightmare, the german lines hilariously overstretched and would leave many vulnerable gaps for societ counterattacks, the deeper they push into russia the less friendly the climate and terrain gets, german tanks aren't suited for bad terrain and unreliable.
Also the soviets would eventually learn, which means that eventually they will use the knowledge of what works against the germans and do a massive, well prepared counteroffensive and ambush a whole german army group, destroying axis offensive capabilities and break their overstreched lines.
From that point on the german front would face the risk of total collapse as a broken but still large russian war machine in the urals still tirelessly pressures them.
I would reckon that the soviets would be able to push until they liberate Leningrad, Stalingrad and Moscow but probably would dry out too so i think they would leave it from there and establish a border from the volga in the south to moscow and Leningrad.
If they will be unexpectedly successful in destrying the german army in siberia the could very well set the border on a Dniepr line as from that point overcoming the german Ostwall defenses there would be too costly and not feasible after the campaigns to take back russia.
Therefore, the Germans just stopped near the Volga. Just a decade later, they lost Moskowien, and got their oil fields bombed again, harming the Axis economy
Good job man 👏
Thank you :)
its not realistic sorry but its the truth@@DeathBringer138
Good vid 😊
thanks!
Good work👍
thanks
1. major faction states 2. faction members 3. colonized territory/puppet state 4. occupied territory 5. land gains
Wow this is very good
You never addressed Operation Torch, which has no reason not to occur by the criteria of this video. Total Victory for Axis still must assume the US is in the war til the end, because a 1942 truce just doesn’t make sense.
Axis did not declare war on USA, and by 1942, they signed an agreement that after the war, an election or referendum will be held on France, Denmark, Norway, and Sweden, in exchange for peace concessions.
After all, this video was created quite a time ago(April 2022), so this video may contain numerous historical errors that weren't addressed, and on a professional perspective, I admit that this video barely looked realistic at all.
@@DeathBringer138 Fair enough, Torch may have been cancelled if Germany/taly never declared war, though Roosevelt did plan on going to war with them anyways no matter what.
The story of the new order:
Thank you for not giving Dalmatia to Italy. 👍
I did not notice to give Dalmatia to Italy, but that video was a year ago, so I could have done to add it so long ago. Anyways, thanks for watching :)
witch animtator do you use?
FlipaClip for this video. Since Aug 2023, I use paint.net
Part of sentences are just copies from zvallid's videos.
Great video! Where are the speeches links?
Speeches in order :
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Oh thanks aha, I didn’t see.@@DeathBringer138
Btw you’re honestly very underrated so here’s a sub!
thanks :)
Yw! Ofc@@DeathBringer138
I doubt that the Russians would have the strength to overrun Manchuria, yet alone to keep their nation together
They still had much of their industry built in the Urals, and benefited from Marshall Plan aid, thus they recover from the war quickly, and their advances in Asia led to a communist China in the 1950s. Around 1955-1960, the Soviets invade R.K. Moskowien
@@DeathBringer138And did they manage to liberate Moscow?
@@Odoxon7522 Obviously, with Chinese and Allied aid to help.
@@DeathBringer138 Didn't the Germans build nukes?
@@DeathBringer138i dont think the soviets would have surrendered intill atleast the urals i mean if you look at the stale mate front the soviets would suspect a major german offensive but they still held on to their industry and lots of its manpower (though the soviets would lose around 34M not 24M due to this)
Is France liberated by Allied at the ending of this video?
no. there was an elections due to US intervention, and the allied political party won
me after playing 1 match of hoi4
Кто-нибудь может мне объяснить, почему СССР проиграл? Что в этой реальности ему помешало? Неимение Станиславова?
Немцы пошли на Астрахань, полностью отрезав от снабжения южную армию.
@@anonymuz796 а почему немцы взяли Москву? Почему они пошли на такой риск, оставив фланги в опасности? Я имею в виду, что вообще изменилось-то? В реальности немцы тоже шли на Астрахань (почти), но застряли в Сталинграде. Им нужна была и нефть южного Кавказа, и Сталинград, как важный транспортный пункт. Если бы немцы акцентировались на городе, то фланги были бы обнажены. Если бы немцы акцентировались на нефти, то Союз смог бы их остановить, ибо снабжение войск продолжалось бы, и оно было бы даже лучше, чем в реальности, так как Сталинград не пришлось бы защищать
Axis(Germany and Italy) being more competent in Barbarossa, and Americans not giving lend lease to USSR especially post-1941, led to USSR losing WW2.
@@DeathBringer138 а что произошло, что немцы стали более компетентными? То есть они стали меньше ошибок делать? А почему? Что их сподвигло делать так, и почему это в конце им помогло?
Вся последующая информация о ленд-лизе основывается на Википедии - западном сайте, запрещённом на территории Российской Федерации. А именно на статьях: о ленд-лизе США Советскому Союзу; о военном производстве стран в годы Второй Мировой Войны.
Ленд-лиз США оценивается в 9,16 млрд $ США по курсу июня 1941 года. В 1941 году - 29,5 млн (0,32%). В 1942 году - 1 363,3 млн (14,88%). В 1943 году - 2 965,9 млн (32,38%). В 1944 году - 3 429,1 млн (37,44%). В 1945 году - 1 372,0 млн (14,98%). По курсу июня 2023 года (инфляция - 1965,47%) ленд-лиз оценивается в 189 192,31 млн $ США. По курсу июня 2023 года: в 1941 году - 609,31 млн; в 1942 году - 28 158,55 млн; в 1943 году - 61 259,17 млн; в 1944 году - 70 827,03 млн; в 1945 году - 28 338,25 млн.
ВВП СССР в 1941-1945 годах оценивается в 1 643 млрд $ США по курсу декабря 1990 года. В 1941 году - 359 млрд. В 1942 году - 274 млрд. В 1943 году - 305 млрд. В 1944 году - 362 млрд. В 1945 году - 343 млрд. Если мы вычтем из общего ВВП 56% ВВП за 1941 год и 50% за 1945 год, мы получим 1 270,46 млрд. По курсу июня 2023 года (инфляция - 128,48%) ВВП СССР в 1941-1945 годах оценивается в 3 753,93 млрд $ США. По курсу июня 2023 года: в 1941 году - 820,24 млрд; в 1942 году - 626,04 млрд; в 1943 году - 696,86 млрд; в 1944 году - 827,10 млрд; в 1945 году - 783,69 млрд. Если мы вычтем из общего ВВП 56% ВВП за 1941 год и 50% за 1945 год, мы получим 2902,75 млрд.
Поделив 2 902,75 млрд на 189 192,31 млн (189,19231 млрд), получится 15,34. ВВП СССР в годы войны в 15,34 раза больше, чем ленд-лиз США.
У Рейха просто никогда не было шанса добиться таких успехов, если основная ветка историии почти не поменялась
@@becalelbecalelew7262 так если бы они силы, брошенные на Сталинград(и Воронеж), отправили в Астрахань, которая находится дельта Волги и прикрыли бы фланги(не итальянцами и румынами), то южная группировка войск РККА была бы реально отрезана от снабжения кроме как через Иран и каспийское море, которое шло довольно медленно, потому в скором времени могли быть захвачены нефтяные месторождения Азербайджана и в случае принуждения Ирана к смене стороны, то и Туркменистана. Конечно у Сталинграда пропускная способность была больше, но ключом к Волге и Югу была Астрахань.
And then?
Cold War begins with three sides : Allies, Comintern and European Axis
Why germany gave up france, denmark and norway?
There were US-supervisioned elections on these places, where the pro-Allied party won the elections in France(1945), Norway(1946) and Denmark(1946).
@@DeathBringer138 why cant germany prevent that
@@rasyaar5124because if they did prevent so, this will cause Operation Unthinkable-like event, but with Allies and USA declaring war against Germany and not the USSR.
TWR but SSNP doesn’t take over Syria.
There are still somewhat a bunch of issues at the time of the making of the video(April 2022), but it's a long time ago, so I could make a better mapping scenario later on
@@DeathBringer138 Ah OK, I’ll ring the notification button for it.
Nice
make a video where japan wins the war and germany loses
us got weaker communists and limited fascists, maybe he won the cold war
Germany lost the cold war to Allies by 1980.
@@DeathBringer138 commies falls by 2010s?
2010-2015 period due to WW4. Specifically, December 2014.
There are two endings :
No Nuclear War on June 2013, or
Nuclear War on June 2013
@@DeathBringer138 interesting
Great
Looks like TNO
Yes. It's like TNO Except France had its allied political party won and Asia was liberated by the Allies.
The axis was doomed to lose
I know, but a lot has changed on this scenario. Although they have won, they were crippled in the subsequent decades
90
wrong map
what seems to be wrong?
sorry but thats unrealistic
yeah obviously you sped
I know, but the reason why they managed to win is because they don't have to fight the US in the war(in exchange for US-supervisioned elections in France, Norway, and Denmark), and the Soviets becoming unlucky in the early stages of the war
this is not amzing cuz when u make both japan and germany win this will count as the axis victory
I only made European Axis win, because there are too many scenarios where both European and Asian Axis won the alternate ww2.