Even more chilling is the fact that Michelle Albaretto said one more thing ,, YOU GO OUT OF THESE CORNERS ONLY IF YOU HAVE A MECHANICAL PROBLEM IN THE CAR'' He died because of a burst tire.
There was absolutely NO WAY in hell that a pay-for-ride driver in F1 would go off at Tamburello with an F1 car. It looks like a turn on paper, but in an F1 car it is a full throttle straight. Period. Imagine if the best driver in the world would fail to go through Tamburello. When Berger hit that wall, he had lost some part of his Ferrari's front wing. When asked about the chance of a driver's error, Jean Alesi at the time stated that it was impossible for an F1 driver to miss Tamburello.
@Fairlight CMI Sad isnt it? People were like oh god no this is terrible, but were content to carry on. When Senna died, overnight safety became a priority. Im glad it did but yeah...kinda messed up. I also believe near everyone went to Senna's funeral, which also grabbed all the media attention. No one seemed to give a thought to Ratzenberger. I know Mosley gets a ton of shit, much deserved, but least he realized someone should at least attend Ratzenbergers
he was awake when he hit the wall. he lost 4 of the 5 liters of his blood. the docter helping him was a very good friend of his and he said he looked him in the eye before gasping once more and closing his eyes. :( RIP Senna
Grande Michelle we miss you :( Every other accident that ever happened in tamburello was only due to mechanical failure, as Alboreto said (Piquet & Berger). Recently I read about Andrian Newey that he "still has nightmares over Senna's death". Maybe because he knows something and he can't tell...
He's turning the steering wheel left, car fails to keep its path. He turns the wheel hard left and the car does not respond and continues off course. Something within the steering mechanisms of the car failed.
I mean, Michele Alboreto, ex Ferrari driver and F1 GP winner states it very, very, very clearly: you can go off in this part of the track ONLY if you have a mechanical failure. Period
Tamburello is not a technical corner. Senna, a triple world champion who could have gone on to win more, had barrel loads of natural talent, and then some. As another F1 driver said, you don't fall off the road at Tamburello unless the car has a mechanical failure. We all know this. Why were Williams mechanics allowed to get to the car before an investigation? It's ludicrous. A thorough investigation needs to be reopened to settle the case and fill in the blanks.
Its already been determined that it was the steering wheel failure. Statue of limitations is up and nothing will be done. It took 13 years to come out with that. It's a crime.
Have a look from the onboard camera...there is NO movement to the right to corrigate nor to the left to keep the car on the track. It just went straight out of the track, with no corrections. I believe the column really did break!
jeffrey adams : This is F1 racing no doubt I would have been expecting a job done to the best if I was a racing driver. This is not a bicycle race going on 50km/h. It’s a bloody F1 racing going 350 km/h. If you not sure about doing the job correctly and on high standard then don’t fucking do it. Team’s fault 100% with the mechanics let them down. Of course they tried to cover it up by using Charles Whiting (English to English team scandal) by taking away the black boxes and TRY to cover up the mess. Then again money loosing was another part of the problem.
Nobody is infallible, no matter how good. The fact remains that even the best cars fail & tge best drivers make mistakes, but NO track shoukd kill you as a result. It doesn't matter what caused the inicident, Imola should not have had such a dangerous section.
Ratzenberger's car did not have steering wheel issues the day before his crash. Also, the approach at the Tosa it's a 90 degree turn that you approach at 190 mph. You miss the breaking, you hit the wall. Many, many drivers before hit the Tosa wall over the years. But Tamburello is basically a straight in an F1 car, no driver has EVER gone off at Tamburello without a car's failure (notably Berger's Ferrari wnt on fire after he lost part of his wing)
Lightning fast reflexes. A highly alert F1 championship winning driver in his element. A dry track. And the wheels don't turn hard into the slide then away from the wall. In fact the wheels don't turn at all even though he downshifted two gears under full brakes. I haven't studied this nor have I any knowledge of it's technical details but that's all I interpret.
You only have to watch the actual onboard footage in Senna's car just before the crash. You will see he is steering left and all of a sudden his wheel tugs left fast because his steering column broke.
@@truantray Than why did the incident not happen on lap 6, since the tyres were colder on that lap as the safety just pulled into the pits a few corner before
For me there is only one reason for this crash: a broken steering column. In a video of his on-board camera only short seconds before he went off the track you can see that his steering wheel is moving towards to Senna. It is visible that this happens BEFORE he hits the wall. So this is for me and in my eyes the only solution for this crash.
I can see you've pieces of my Qualifying videos charrotest with Ratzenberger's accident. This is really well done - I'm enjoying this. I was always very unhappy with the Nat Geographic's version of events. Adrian Newey's latest explanation of a slow puncture is plausible. It does look like a steering column failure though also but it's fair to say that this could well have snapped on impact...
The thing is there is evidence for and against the steering column failing...i see no conspiracy here, because those wheels did move they had a lot of give and the telemetry data doesn't indicate that the steering failed. I don't think Williams should be blamed for it either, mistakes happen, a part not fitted properly...it breaks, unfortunately it can have tragic consequences. Watching coverage of Ratzenberger's fatal crash, something flies off his car before he leaves the track too.
For those cars Tamburello was not even a curve as like Alboreto and also J.Villeneuve stated when still racing in F1.Tamburello was dangerous but didn't requi extreme skill (talking about F1 drivers of course).Alboreto himself smashed his Footwork into the same concrete wall not long before Senna accident and Piquet did survive a terrific shunt in the same curve years before.Still being ultrafast Tamburello wasn't rated as a difficult test for those cars and drivers.
When I watched the crash you can see Senna's head move to the side a few seconds after the car comes to rest, maybe him falling unconscious? On the Senna film Sid Watkins says that when he got to the scene he knew straight away that it was going to be a fatal head injury {medically trained people out there will know the give away is brain matter discharge from nose or ears} and then that Senna let out a sigh, and Sid says if you believe in god that's when Senna's spirit left his body.
That’s why Williams went downhill after the accident! And I hope they will remain down for not taken responsibility for the death of the greatest driver ever! Serve them right
I guess there was no steering column broken. He lost the grip at the back, because the bottom of the car touched the floor, the back of the car went a bit right, or it has just felt like that, so he corrigated a bit to right but then the first tires gripped in, and he went that way, right out of the track. It happened only in 1 sec, so he couldn't have corrigated once more at 300 kph.
Armco barriers were already in F1 for years before Senna's death. An inncorectly installed armco was what killed Helmuth Koinigg back in 1974 when his car hit the armco and went thru the bottom portion, decapitating him and killing him instantly.
Natgeo's loss of air flow explanation is further flawed because if there was a momentary loss of downforce, it wouldn't veer off in a linear path but would lift off skid sideways or maybe oversteering, as this downforce would stop at the rear fuselage of the car. Remember the front wing holds down much of the front wheels which would remain. The car went off in a virtual straight line, so after slowing 100 km/h there would be some leftward movement in the car if the steering was functional.
The Brits can drag anything out forever, just like they make their former adversaries e.g. Rommel , Argentina to be formidable . Senna was a racer he died when a tie rod went through his cranium. Unfortunate but a wonderful guy who loved what he did.
Just to confirm, is the clip at 05:36 video of the wing coming off Ratzenberger's car before his crash? I heard something about him suffering wing damage going through a chicane, but I've never seen video of debris coming off before impact.
At least at 4:14 they admit that they killed Ayrton and not that he died!!! As Alboreto said, it had to be a mechanical failure!!! ... and not some other bozo stuff National geographic wants to tell us!!! Thanks for this upload, it's been a while since I've seen it ;) RIP Ayrton, we all miss you!!!
@Bryan2799 If he was just entering the corner to find his steering angle...yes. the problem is he was already mid-corner so he knew exactly where the wheel needed to be. To him he shouldn't have had to steer any further. Either way the steering wheel was still turned but the front wheels were straight. Something having to do with steering failed. The steering column is the most likely explanation.
Imola was not a particular dangerous circuit. Tamburello, yes, that was dangerous because you had no run-off area there. And they could not create one either because just behind the fence/wall is a little river. But you have to realise that Ayrton loved Tamburello, just like many other drivers. Dangerous yes, but oh so quick and challenging. Also realise that Ayrton had no grave injuries other than that fatal head injury, caused by a part of the front wheel suspension. Pure bad luck that day.
Yes,that's actually the meaning of the sentence "it's not a curve"... For those drivers and their F1 there are slower curves which deserve much more skill and delicate balance.
how would Team Williams know, Immediately, the reason for the crash, that they held some responsibility and that they needed to get those black boxes??
@charrotest Ratzenberger died as a result of some debris on the track or in the air that unsettled his car, however i do agree that the barriers and distance between them and the track on such fast place was very unsafe.
In other words, yes, 100% right. Only a mechanical failure could cause the best driver in the world to hit the wall at Tamburello. You and I could drive an F1 at Tamburello without hitting the wall
Tamburello was one of the more dangerous corner in F1 circuits. Remember also Berger's accident 5 years before. But in the case of Berger, he hits the wall with a different angle. It's also a question of chance. That's the live...
I like your informative subtitles but there is a slight incorrectness at one point. Idk about ratzenberger but senna did not die instantly upon impact. Not only do you see him moving his head a little after the crash, but professor sid watkins said that: he's body sighed & relaxed whilst they were operating on him
I've looked and can find nothing on your assertion that Senna was conscious after the crash. I found plenty where the Medics and Sid Watkins state there was brain matter coming out of his nose and blood spilled out of his helmet when they took it off. Where did you get your information? I'd like to see it for myself.
The boxes where ordered to be taken 1 so they could determine what happened and 2 to cover up any mistakes they new that they would be held liable if there was any mistakes made on the car. Also the remaining years of his contract would have to be paid out witch was several million and a further settlement to the family.
it was not a conspiracy, just a covering asses rush by Team Williams. They fucked up, the driver died, blame the guy who being dead cannot defend himself. Only an idiot who has never been at Imola could think that an F1 driver (any F1 driver, not THE best driver, like Senna) could go off by mistake at Tamburello. It is a gentle bend to the left in an F1 car. I drove that bend in an M1 and it is impossible, impossible to go off. Unless, you car breaks.....Senna was KILLED by a mechanical failure
It will probably never be solved why Ayrton went straight on in Tamburello. But it must be either a broken steer column or he just "skated" off the track because the car had too little ground clearance. But what angers me here is that a lot of remarks are wild accusations and pointing fingers at Williams and its staff. As if they did this on purpose. Frank Williams had tried for years to get Ayrton in his team and they finally succeeded in 1994.
2:20-2:30 quite questionable too. 4 times the grip will allow to absorb 4 times the slip, but slipping force is proportional to v^2, so the max speed at the corner should be more le only twice as much.
anyone can put their hand outside of the window on a highway and see that its a matter of friction from the air pushing you in different direction. the faster the the moving air, or the reality of slower moving air. directed with ease to create lift over coming the added friction from the "quicker" moving air side. the longer the air has to travel, the slower it is. whether or not pressures have anything to do with, friction certainly does. but still, quicker moving air in this instance, air moving over the wing to create lift happens the air is being pushed and does not itself have as much speed as the car. pushed air, and pushing air are different.
I was talking about ratzenberger, and the explanation at the end of the video. Whether or not they cancelled the race (and forfeited the $6.5 million), he still died. Danger is inherent in racing, and if the racers felt it was too dangerous to race on raceday, then they wouldn't have raced (case in point - US F1 at indy when drivers did 1 lap and pulled into the pits after having tire blowouts around the last high-speed turn). You can't predict a mechanical malfunction like Senna's.
Well reasoned arguments and I agree with almost all of what you say. However, I personally feel that the race should have been cancelled, with 2 deaths plus Barrichello lucky to walk away over the course of the weekend it left the FIA looking cold and heartless, that's my feeling anyway. Also, if you haven't read it yet take a look at "The Life of Ayrton Senna", the author makes a pretty compelling case for power steering failiure as the cause.
I noticed in the slo-mo video that the car seems to have gone straight into the wall, without any indication that Senna was countersteering to try to avoid it. To me, that suggests that he either had an instantaneous blackout or that something broke in his steering linkage. I think the latter possibility is the more likely cause.
they say the back stepped out dfue to the car bottoming out. even with it doing that it dosent create a air tight restriction causing a total loss of downforce
I hate documentaries that use dramatic music and voices where drama is already in the content. But it gets worse when the engineering science is so inaccurate. Johann Bernouli's accurate statement about moving fluids applies inside a pipe, not outside a wing. Furthermore, the whole application of Bernouli's theorem to aerodynamic lift has been discredited years ago, even by NASA. There is no physical evidence that air travelling over the long side of a wing will meet the air on the short side - the "equal transit time fallacy!" Furthermore, any sailors out there will tell you, that there is almost no difference in distance round the inside and outside of a sail, when it is beating to windward, yet it provides loads of lift. A recent documentary by Martin Brundle on F1 aerodynamics doesn't even mention Bernouli. A helicopter's rotors are wings and they send air down, providing equal and opposite reaction. The wings on a sports car sends air upwards, providing downforce. Don't trust documentaries with dramatic music and voices and don't watch them at all if they concern the tragic death of a person worth more than all the presenters of TV documentaries. Senna deserves better than this.
I spoke to an Airbus engineer and they actually say that they cant fully explain a wing: neither bernoulli nor newton explain completely what is going on.
You dumb fuck, If you know nothing about aerodynamics don't try to sound like a smartass, search about zone of recirculation, cutter condition and why gurney flaps are used, they do meet at the trailing edge of the wing you idiot, this has been physically and objectively proved before you were born.
Nevertheless, Bernoulli is an outdated and incorrect explanation of lift, no matter which way you look at it. Planes with wings with a symmetric profile, still fly. So you can call others dumb fucks, but despite your foulmouthing, you obviously have no clou what you're talking about yourself.
Jan Klas You're a dumbfuck yourself too, no one said Bernoulli's principle stands correct, he stated that the air doesn't meet at the trailing edge of a wing, not that the air meets at the same time, you better take your time to read and comprehend before spewing shit that is just as dumb as his comment.
Yes that's true.Just one thing:we can talk mere driving mistake (not by Senna imho) but we can also talk about Senna's fault in a fearless attempt to pull away from Schumy still being aware that his car was too low on the ground (accordingly to his precise request to the team).He did possibly overrate his skill and the cars' performance yet running with reduced ground clearance. This can be an explanation (beyond the steering failure theory).
The explanation is painful. Maybe the car lost downforce, but the corner could be taken with the absolute minimum load on the wings. Berger crashed in 1989 because the front wing failed completely and that explained the balance of his car having catastrophic understeer. The fact that Senna had a slight oversteer shown by the telemetry and the car didn't respond to input with Senna having to use the brakes straight after, tells us that the steering failed. Piquet said the same thing.
At the end of the last ground replecement, THERE the Williams go straight. By Schumacher camera is possible see how much sparks coming out from the belowe of the Williams HUNDREDS OR MAY BE THAUSANDS. True, the steering has been found broken, but i'm not sure about the couse of accident: steering broke or ground plainining ?.
Saying it's not a curve is related to the car and driver 's "feeling" of the roadcourse:for ex. at the Indianapolis F1 GP the huge curve leading to the straight was not felt as a curve by F1 drivers as they did repeatedly claim when this GP wa raced for the 1st time. Obv it's not referred to the roadcourse itself:it would be "lived" as a true curve if one of them happened to drive through it with a Carrera 997Cup whose bending performance can't by far be compared to a F1.
Ah, the (1.18) "equal transit time fallacy". There is no evidence that two air molecules that separate at the leading edge (stagnation point) should meet up again at the trailing edge and therefore their relative speed over different distances could be compared, concluding that the molecule travelling the greater distance must have travelled faster, thereby its static pressure is reduced. This application of the accurate Bernoulli Principle has been discredited for air craft and flight and down forces on wings for 20 years, but it is still repeated ad infinitum. The downforce on a car is a result of equal and opposite reaction to air being deflected upwards - see the plume behind a F1 car in the wet.
Michael Smitten surely the low pressure zone on the upper surface of the wing is caused by the path of the air over the curved section and the airflow not following the surface contour when the upper surface dips away creating the low pressure area that air UNDER the wing tries to move up to fill? Which neatly accounts for why wings with a large contour change create more lift at lower airspeeds (while creating high drag) and more symmetrical (so called laminar flow) aerofoils need much greater airflow to generate lift (while having far less drag) Thats how it was explained to me atleast. Doesnt sound like bs about increased velocity above compared to below the wing...
I don't know if you were refering to the onboard cam in this video, but if yes, it's just an animation. Have a look at this video, i linked it wished part to begin /watch?v=lMXxtLQhAWY&feature=youtu.be&t=54s If you watch properly, you can see a slipping movement, just like the whole car oversteered. after that he corrigated by turning the wheel right, and just right after that the car went straight off the track. This is my opinion. Please watch the video linked just write youtube.com before it
Kind of hard to speak with brain matter oozing from your nose. I found the entire race and saw a very large blood stain on the ground where his head was after they moved him. I had to pause it, and the image still haunts me and will probably always haunt me when I think of what his friend Professor Watkins was thinking as he worked on Senna. I wish I hadn't seen it, but it can't be unseen. Search for it.
why no journist never talked about that autopsy and they keeps saying senna died at the hospital ? a journalist should be curious by nature. especialy about something as mysterious as senna death.
"but in an F1 car it is a full throttle straight. Period." False. Period. If it were straight, it would be ZERO lateral G, instead of the 3-4 G usually experienced. Youre correct to the extent that no driver (who is good enough to make it to F1) is ever going to miss that turn in a million years. But its ridiculous to pretend its a straight.
not to long after michele told everyone the the crash had started due to a mechanical falure he was suddenly killed in a crash and there is no video of this only a picture from afterwards that is pretty strange
Frank Williams was a broken man knowing that one of the worlds greatest drivers was killed in a Williams. Ayrton knew the risks, just like all other drivers who got killed in the past. Of course it is sad, but they all died doing something that they loved most of all. Ayrton would turn in his grave if he could read some of the remarks and comments posted here. He would never accuse his team of neglicence because he KNEW they are all proffesionals just like himself.
I know all these "What they did not say" videos basically talk about the broken steering column and seems to put the blame on Williams. Look I wont absolve them of doing a half assed, negligent (possibly criminal) job with the steering column but Senna DID ask for it. He said fix this, so they did. It wouldn't have happened if he didn't, and because he was Senna I assume either he would not wait or they felt they had to do it right then. Not absolving or casting blame. Just trying to be fair. Many safety improvements were needed...Don't forget Ratzenberger who also died that weekend. Rubens, who could've died. The spectators who were injured by flying debris, and the pit crew staff injured by a tire coming off at high speed. The series clearly needed more safety, and it seems wild to think in 1994, during my life, there was no pit road speed limit and crew could just hang around, and that they could run at a track with so little run off before a concrete wall, that cars were still so exposed, that something like wheel tethers were never thought of. But that's how it was. Senna's death was a tragedy not a conspiracy, and its a shame this weekend had to happen before changes were implemented.
@Xternol, How did they take $6.5 million over an F1 driver? If they cancelled the race, thus losing the $6.5 million, would they have have NOT lost him? Explain how not taking the $6.5 million would mean that he would still be with us.... He still died, whether they got the money or not.
I could never understand why nascars COT ( then car of tomorrow now car of today)had a wing in its original design especially with all we know about the aerodynamics of lift and downforce. I was against it from the get go, it dosnt take a genius to see that downforce on a car going forward turns to lift on the same car going backwards, Its pretty bad that nobody on the design team voiced thier opinion on the dangers of a wing, especially at a superspeedway
If a car loses ground effect, by air getting in underneath, the car lifts off the road. In dramatic cases, it scan launch into the air and flip over end to end. This was not a dramatic case, just a stupid one. Rough ridges lifted the front up, potholes allowed air in underneath, the car was sliding on a cushion of air. Without front wheel contact with the ground, turning was impossible. With less downforce on the back, braking was less effective. But how does any of that really matter? The same could have been true on a circuit with runoff, tyre walls/armco, and above all, walls not at such a shallow angle to the trajectory a car must follow if it leaves the track (an object will remain in a state of uniform motion unless acted upon by a force), without the driver dying or getting more than lightly bruised. The insanity of the retaining wall is what killed Senna. The same corner nearly killed Burger. The same criteria I just outlined killed Ratzenberger and, if you go through history, I believe you will find a lot of F1 deaths and injuries involve those same criteria, time and time again. The rule changes after Senna's death actually worsened safety by a lot and the FIA now admit that they blundered badly there. I do not understand why, though, as speed is only a marginal consideration. In addition to Newton's laws, you have the conservation of energy and the conservation of momentum. That's it. Five laws and those five alone decide if a driver will live or die. Is it truly too much to ask the greatest engineering minds on the planet to solve just five equations? Are they really so dense they can't manage it? If so, put me in charge. I know what I'm doing. I can make F1 exciting, "dangerous", spectacular and non-lethal. Ecclestone apparently can't do any of that. If I'm just not famous enough, then choose someone who can handle basic maths and physics. With the shuttering of schools and universities around the world, there must be some unemployed megagenius the FIA can hire.
Pretty bloody close to it though. Most of the grip was generated through downforce, and if you were going fast, any major loss of downforce = you're fucked.
dude the day that senna died was the worst day in F1 ever not only because a f1 driver died, but maybe because the best of all the best drivers died ;)
that's some chilling words right there "died after giving an interview on how another racer died."
+NorwegianViking Son Check this video out Senna: Schumacher was cheating and this video Senna The Truth Behind Imola
Even more chilling is the fact that Michelle Albaretto said one more thing ,, YOU GO OUT OF THESE CORNERS ONLY IF YOU HAVE A MECHANICAL PROBLEM IN THE CAR''
He died because of a burst tire.
It is chilling.
@@darkostanisavljevic1105 Correction: He died because of a tire cut by sharp object, according to investigation.
@@nandoneobh which was caused by right wheel problems (burst tyre plus destroyed wheel shaft)
There was absolutely NO WAY in hell that a pay-for-ride driver in F1 would go off at Tamburello with an F1 car. It looks like a turn on paper, but in an F1 car it is a full throttle straight. Period. Imagine if the best driver in the world would fail to go through Tamburello. When Berger hit that wall, he had lost some part of his Ferrari's front wing. When asked about the chance of a driver's error, Jean Alesi at the time stated that it was impossible for an F1 driver to miss Tamburello.
bit heartless how they just brush Michele Alboreto's death as if it was nothing, show the man some respect
seriously, I had to pause the video and just say "wtf..."
agreed Colm
They mentioned him dumbass
@@8-bitapple476 he said "barely" dumber than dumbass!
@Fairlight CMI Sad isnt it? People were like oh god no this is terrible, but were content to carry on. When Senna died, overnight safety became a priority. Im glad it did but yeah...kinda messed up. I also believe near everyone went to Senna's funeral, which also grabbed all the media attention. No one seemed to give a thought to Ratzenberger.
I know Mosley gets a ton of shit, much deserved, but least he realized someone should at least attend Ratzenbergers
he was awake when he hit the wall. he lost 4 of the 5 liters of his blood. the docter helping him was a very good friend of his and he said he looked him in the eye before gasping once more and closing his eyes. :( RIP Senna
Dr sid Watkins
Bro there is total 4-5 liter of blood in body so according to you he lost all of his blood
Grande Michelle we miss you :( Every other accident that ever happened in tamburello was only due to mechanical failure, as Alboreto said (Piquet & Berger). Recently I read about Andrian Newey that he "still has nightmares over Senna's death". Maybe because he knows something and he can't tell...
He's turning the steering wheel left, car fails to keep its path. He turns the wheel hard left and the car does not respond and continues off course. Something within the steering mechanisms of the car failed.
I mean, Michele Alboreto, ex Ferrari driver and F1 GP winner states it very, very, very clearly: you can go off in this part of the track ONLY if you have a mechanical failure. Period
Was he driving the Williams like Damon hill was? Damon crashed during practice trying to take tamburello flat
@@flatoutflatline1565 Tamburello was always flat. Always.
Tamburello is not a technical corner. Senna, a triple world champion who could have gone on to win more, had barrel loads of natural talent, and then some.
As another F1 driver said, you don't fall off the road at Tamburello unless the car has a mechanical failure. We all know this.
Why were Williams mechanics allowed to get to the car before an investigation? It's ludicrous.
A thorough investigation needs to be reopened to settle the case and fill in the blanks.
absolutely !! how can Mr. Frank Wlliams live with that Guilt !!
Its already been determined that it was the steering wheel failure. Statue of limitations is up and nothing will be done. It took 13 years to come out with that. It's a crime.
Thank you !!!! I sound crazy without these things !!!
Have a look from the onboard camera...there is NO movement to the right to corrigate nor to the left to keep the car on the track. It just went straight out of the track, with no corrections. I believe the column really did break!
For someone that good to make an error like that is ludicrous! Something beyond his control happened .
jeffrey adams : This is F1 racing no doubt I would have been expecting a job done to the best if I was a racing driver. This is not a bicycle race going on 50km/h. It’s a bloody F1 racing going 350 km/h.
If you not sure about doing the job correctly and on high standard then don’t fucking do it. Team’s fault 100% with the mechanics let them down.
Of course they tried to cover it up by using Charles Whiting (English to English team scandal) by taking away the black boxes and TRY to cover up the mess.
Then again money loosing was another part of the problem.
Yea something in the steering broke. End of story.
Nobody is infallible, no matter how good. The fact remains that even the best cars fail & tge best drivers make mistakes, but NO track shoukd kill you as a result. It doesn't matter what caused the inicident, Imola should not have had such a dangerous section.
Ratzenberger's car did not have steering wheel issues the day before his crash. Also, the approach at the Tosa it's a 90 degree turn that you approach at 190 mph. You miss the breaking, you hit the wall. Many, many drivers before hit the Tosa wall over the years. But Tamburello is basically a straight in an F1 car, no driver has EVER gone off at Tamburello without a car's failure (notably Berger's Ferrari wnt on fire after he lost part of his wing)
Weird feeling to see Alboreto talk about a crash that killed someone.
Lightning fast reflexes. A highly alert F1 championship winning driver in his element. A dry track. And the wheels don't turn hard into the slide then away from the wall.
In fact the wheels don't turn at all even though he downshifted two gears under full brakes.
I haven't studied this nor have I any knowledge of it's technical details but that's all I interpret.
You only have to watch the actual onboard footage in Senna's car just before the crash. You will see he is steering left and all of a sudden his wheel tugs left fast because his steering column broke.
Or the car bottomed out because of low air pressure in tires because they were cold.
@@truantray Than why did the incident not happen on lap 6, since the tyres were colder on that lap as the safety just pulled into the pits a few corner before
For me there is only one reason for this crash: a broken steering column. In a video of his on-board camera only short seconds before he went off the track you can see that his steering wheel is moving towards to Senna. It is visible that this happens BEFORE he hits the wall. So this is for me and in my eyes the only solution for this crash.
Same here - this plus the fact that the wheels didn't even turn. Surely if it was anything else then the wheels would have turned.
3:21 that's was the last 1.6 seconds missing in the onboard camera.
I can see you've pieces of my Qualifying videos charrotest with Ratzenberger's accident. This is really well done - I'm enjoying this. I was always very unhappy with the Nat Geographic's version of events. Adrian Newey's latest explanation of a slow puncture is plausible. It does look like a steering column failure though also but it's fair to say that this could well have snapped on impact...
What sold me on the steering column was the Sunday warm up onboard you hardly see the movement you see on the steering wheel during the race.
Allegedly his steering column was adjusted before the race and during the race it broke.......
The thing is there is evidence for and against the steering column failing...i see no conspiracy here, because those wheels did move they had a lot of give and the telemetry data doesn't indicate that the steering failed.
I don't think Williams should be blamed for it either, mistakes happen, a part not fitted properly...it breaks, unfortunately it can have tragic consequences. Watching coverage of
Ratzenberger's fatal crash, something flies off his car before he leaves the track too.
Actually was the suspension arm that went through his helmet
For those cars Tamburello was not even a curve as like Alboreto and also J.Villeneuve stated when still racing in F1.Tamburello was dangerous but didn't requi extreme skill (talking about F1 drivers of course).Alboreto himself smashed his Footwork into the same concrete wall not long before Senna accident and Piquet did survive a terrific shunt in the same curve years before.Still being ultrafast Tamburello wasn't rated as a difficult test for those cars and drivers.
When I watched the crash you can see Senna's head move to the side a few seconds after the car comes to rest, maybe him falling unconscious? On the Senna film Sid Watkins says that when he got to the scene he knew straight away that it was going to be a fatal head injury {medically trained people out there will know the give away is brain matter discharge from nose or ears} and then that Senna let out a sigh, and Sid says if you believe in god that's when Senna's spirit left his body.
That’s why Williams went downhill after the accident! And I hope they will remain down for not taken responsibility for the death of the greatest driver ever! Serve them right
Absolute bollocks...mechanical failure doesn't mean they are to blame.
I guess there was no steering column broken. He lost the grip at the back, because the bottom of the car touched the floor, the back of the car went a bit right, or it has just felt like that, so he corrigated a bit to right but then the first tires gripped in, and he went that way, right out of the track. It happened only in 1 sec, so he couldn't have corrigated once more at 300 kph.
Armco barriers were already in F1 for years before Senna's death. An inncorectly installed armco was what killed Helmuth Koinigg back in 1974 when his car hit the armco and went thru the bottom portion, decapitating him and killing him instantly.
Natgeo's loss of air flow explanation is further flawed because if there was a momentary loss of downforce, it wouldn't veer off in a linear path but would lift off skid sideways or maybe oversteering, as this downforce would stop at the rear fuselage of the car. Remember the front wing holds down much of the front wheels which would remain. The car went off in a virtual straight line, so after slowing 100 km/h there would be some leftward movement in the car if the steering was functional.
The Brits can drag anything out forever, just like they make their former adversaries e.g. Rommel , Argentina to be formidable .
Senna was a racer he died when a tie rod went through his cranium. Unfortunate but a wonderful guy who loved what he did.
Just to confirm, is the clip at 05:36 video of the wing coming off Ratzenberger's car before his crash? I heard something about him suffering wing damage going through a chicane, but I've never seen video of debris coming off before impact.
At least at 4:14 they admit that they killed Ayrton and not that he died!!!
As Alboreto said, it had to be a mechanical failure!!! ... and not some other bozo stuff National geographic wants to tell us!!!
Thanks for this upload, it's been a while since I've seen it ;)
RIP Ayrton, we all miss you!!!
@Bryan2799 If he was just entering the corner to find his steering angle...yes. the problem is he was already mid-corner so he knew exactly where the wheel needed to be. To him he shouldn't have had to steer any further. Either way the steering wheel was still turned but the front wheels were straight. Something having to do with steering failed. The steering column is the most likely explanation.
We now know his poorly-welded steering column broke.
Imola was not a particular dangerous circuit. Tamburello, yes, that was dangerous because you had no run-off area there. And they could not create one either because just behind the fence/wall is a little river. But you have to realise that Ayrton loved Tamburello, just like many other drivers. Dangerous yes, but oh so quick and challenging. Also realise that Ayrton had no grave injuries other than that fatal head injury, caused by a part of the front wheel suspension. Pure bad luck that day.
We should put Ayrton Senna's death to an end. Enough.
Senna has become a death cult. I doubt he would be this popular if he lived on.
He was the highest-paid driver in the world. Most valuable pilot too.
Yes,that's actually the meaning of the sentence "it's not a curve"...
For those drivers and their F1 there are slower curves which deserve much more skill and delicate balance.
how would Team Williams know, Immediately, the reason for the crash, that they held some responsibility and that they needed to get those black boxes??
I am a big Senna fan and i never heard anything like that. I always heard in interviews and books that they found him totally unconscious.
@charrotest Ratzenberger died as a result of some debris on the track or in the air that unsettled his car, however i do agree that the barriers and distance between them and the track on such fast place was very unsafe.
In other words, yes, 100% right. Only a mechanical failure could cause the best driver in the world to hit the wall at Tamburello. You and I could drive an F1 at Tamburello without hitting the wall
Tamburello was one of the more dangerous corner in F1 circuits. Remember also Berger's accident 5 years before. But in the case of Berger, he hits the wall with a different angle. It's also a question of chance. That's the live...
I like your informative subtitles but there is a slight incorrectness at one point. Idk about ratzenberger but senna did not die instantly upon impact. Not only do you see him moving his head a little after the crash, but professor sid watkins said that: he's body sighed & relaxed whilst they were operating on him
I've looked and can find nothing on your assertion that Senna was conscious after the crash. I found plenty where the Medics and Sid Watkins state there was brain matter coming out of his nose and blood spilled out of his helmet when they took it off. Where did you get your information? I'd like to see it for myself.
The boxes where ordered to be taken 1 so they could determine what happened and 2 to cover up any mistakes they new that they would be held liable if there was any mistakes made on the car.
Also the remaining years of his contract would have to be paid out witch was several million and a further settlement to the family.
it was not a conspiracy, just a covering asses rush by Team Williams. They fucked up, the driver died, blame the guy who being dead cannot defend himself. Only an idiot who has never been at Imola could think that an F1 driver (any F1 driver, not THE best driver, like Senna) could go off by mistake at Tamburello. It is a gentle bend to the left in an F1 car. I drove that bend in an M1 and it is impossible, impossible to go off. Unless, you car breaks.....Senna was KILLED by a mechanical failure
Thank you. I couldnt tell what they where saying lol.
Thats correct, yes. 1973 Watkins Glen. A future World Champion taken from us, very much like Gilles Villeneuve.
It will probably never be solved why Ayrton went straight on in Tamburello. But it must be either a broken steer column or he just "skated" off the track because the car had too little ground clearance. But what angers me here is that a lot of remarks are wild accusations and pointing fingers at Williams and its staff. As if they did this on purpose. Frank Williams had tried for years to get Ayrton in his team and they finally succeeded in 1994.
2:20-2:30 quite questionable too.
4 times the grip will allow to absorb 4 times the slip, but slipping force is proportional to v^2, so the max speed at the corner should be more le only twice as much.
anyone can put their hand outside of the window on a highway and see that its a matter of friction from the air pushing you in different direction. the faster the the moving air, or the reality of slower moving air. directed with ease to create lift over coming the added friction from the "quicker" moving air side. the longer the air has to travel, the slower it is. whether or not pressures have anything to do with, friction certainly does. but still, quicker moving air in this instance, air moving over the wing to create lift happens the air is being pushed and does not itself have as much speed as the car. pushed air, and pushing air are different.
Euler flow equations and not Bernoulli (or equal transit theory) define what we call lift or in this case downforce.
I was talking about ratzenberger, and the explanation at the end of the video. Whether or not they cancelled the race (and forfeited the $6.5 million), he still died. Danger is inherent in racing, and if the racers felt it was too dangerous to race on raceday, then they wouldn't have raced (case in point - US F1 at indy when drivers did 1 lap and pulled into the pits after having tire blowouts around the last high-speed turn). You can't predict a mechanical malfunction like Senna's.
Well reasoned arguments and I agree with almost all of what you say. However, I personally feel that the race should have been cancelled, with 2 deaths plus Barrichello lucky to walk away over the course of the weekend it left the FIA looking cold and heartless, that's my feeling anyway. Also, if you haven't read it yet take a look at "The Life of Ayrton Senna", the author makes a pretty compelling case for power steering failiure as the cause.
Michelle Albaretto said one thing ,, YOU GO OUT OF THESE CORNERS ONLY IF YOU HAVE A MECHANICAL PROBLEM IN THE CAR''
He died because of a burst tire.
it was a broken steering column.
I noticed in the slo-mo video that the car seems to have gone straight into the wall, without any indication that Senna was countersteering to try to avoid it. To me, that suggests that he either had an instantaneous blackout or that something broke in his steering linkage. I think the latter possibility is the more likely cause.
The car bottomed out due to cold tires and low tire pressures.
@@truantray no it didn't - if that had happened then why wouldn't he have been turning the wheels of the car?
they say the back stepped out dfue to the car bottoming out. even with it doing that it dosent create a air tight restriction causing a total loss of downforce
I hate documentaries that use dramatic music and voices where drama is already in the content. But it gets worse when the engineering science is so inaccurate. Johann Bernouli's accurate statement about moving fluids applies inside a pipe, not outside a wing. Furthermore, the whole application of Bernouli's theorem to aerodynamic lift has been discredited years ago, even by NASA. There is no physical evidence that air travelling over the long side of a wing will meet the air on the short side - the "equal transit time fallacy!" Furthermore, any sailors out there will tell you, that there is almost no difference in distance round the inside and outside of a sail, when it is beating to windward, yet it provides loads of lift. A recent documentary by Martin Brundle on F1 aerodynamics doesn't even mention Bernouli. A helicopter's rotors are wings and they send air down, providing equal and opposite reaction. The wings on a sports car sends air upwards, providing downforce. Don't trust documentaries with dramatic music and voices and don't watch them at all if they concern the tragic death of a person worth more than all the presenters of TV documentaries. Senna deserves better than this.
+Michael Smitten Check this video out Senna: Schumacher was cheating and this video Senna The Truth Behind Imola
I spoke to an Airbus engineer and they actually say that they cant fully explain a wing: neither bernoulli nor newton explain completely what is going on.
You dumb fuck, If you know nothing about aerodynamics don't try to sound like a smartass, search about zone of recirculation, cutter condition and why gurney flaps are used, they do meet at the trailing edge of the wing you idiot, this has been physically and objectively proved before you were born.
Nevertheless, Bernoulli is an outdated and incorrect explanation of lift, no matter which way you look at it. Planes with wings with a symmetric profile, still fly. So you can call others dumb fucks, but despite your foulmouthing, you obviously have no clou what you're talking about yourself.
Jan Klas You're a dumbfuck yourself too, no one said Bernoulli's principle stands correct, he stated that the air doesn't meet at the trailing edge of a wing, not that the air meets at the same time, you better take your time to read and comprehend before spewing shit that is just as dumb as his comment.
Yes that's true.Just one thing:we can talk mere driving mistake (not by Senna imho) but we can also talk about Senna's fault in a fearless attempt to pull away from Schumy still being aware that his car was too low on the ground (accordingly to his precise request to the team).He did possibly overrate his skill and the cars' performance yet running with reduced ground clearance.
This can be an explanation (beyond the steering failure theory).
The explanation is painful. Maybe the car lost downforce, but the corner could be taken with the absolute minimum load on the wings. Berger crashed in 1989 because the front wing failed completely and that explained the balance of his car having catastrophic understeer. The fact that Senna had a slight oversteer shown by the telemetry and the car didn't respond to input with Senna having to use the brakes straight after, tells us that the steering failed. Piquet said the same thing.
3:45 he talks about the testing crash happened to him on the same turn in 1991
Oh sorry, I'm not much of a F1 historian. I was just speculating.
But thanks for the information anyway.
At the end of the last ground replecement, THERE the Williams go straight. By Schumacher camera is possible see how much sparks coming out from the belowe of the Williams HUNDREDS OR MAY BE THAUSANDS. True, the steering has been found broken, but i'm not sure about the couse of accident: steering broke or ground plainining ?.
Senna knew all about the Freemasonry, and so we have now for All Time his silence
daveyork0 wtf you mean Freemason
@251108openyoureyes no, as there also is a Villeneuve chicane at the Circuit of Zolder (Bel)
thus he crashed, thus he died...
Saying it's not a curve is related to the car and driver 's "feeling" of the roadcourse:for ex. at the Indianapolis F1 GP the huge curve leading to the straight was not felt as a curve by F1 drivers as they did repeatedly claim when this GP wa raced for the 1st time.
Obv it's not referred to the roadcourse itself:it would be "lived" as a true curve if one of them happened to drive through it with a Carrera 997Cup whose bending performance can't by far be compared to a F1.
True, accidents happen.
In this case, the accident happened because of a mechanical failure.
Anyone has any Patrick Head statements of that incident?
PODRÍAN TRADUCIRLO AL ESPAÑOL? NO ENTIENDO NADA Y ME INTERESA.
"He was killed" Hmm I thought we would normally use "He died"
Ah, the (1.18) "equal transit time fallacy". There is no evidence that two air molecules that separate at the leading edge (stagnation point) should meet up again at the trailing edge and therefore their relative speed over different distances could be compared, concluding that the molecule travelling the greater distance must have travelled faster, thereby its static pressure is reduced. This application of the accurate Bernoulli Principle has been discredited for air craft and flight and down forces on wings for 20 years, but it is still repeated ad infinitum. The downforce on a car is a result of equal and opposite reaction to air being deflected upwards - see the plume behind a F1 car in the wet.
Michael Smitten surely the low pressure zone on the upper surface of the wing is caused by the path of the air over the curved section and the airflow not following the surface contour when the upper surface dips away creating the low pressure area that air UNDER the wing tries to move up to fill? Which neatly accounts for why wings with a large contour change create more lift at lower airspeeds (while creating high drag) and more symmetrical (so called laminar flow) aerofoils need much greater airflow to generate lift (while having far less drag)
Thats how it was explained to me atleast. Doesnt sound like bs about increased velocity above compared to below the wing...
why are they calling tamborello a corner? if you can do it flat out, it's a bend no?
I don't know if you were refering to the onboard cam in this video, but if yes, it's just an animation.
Have a look at this video, i linked it wished part to begin
/watch?v=lMXxtLQhAWY&feature=youtu.be&t=54s
If you watch properly, you can see a slipping movement, just like the whole car oversteered. after that he corrigated by turning the wheel right, and just right after that the car went straight off the track. This is my opinion. Please watch the video linked just write youtube.com before it
Yeah, I just never understood that myself either. Of course, we all know the answer: MONEY.
I cant find any info of that mikalia baretto guy they interviewed at all or anyone with a similar name.
BobDawg173 michelle alboreto.
F1 driver of some distinction. Never world champion but runner up in 1985. Drove many many grands prix.
Kind of hard to speak with brain matter oozing from your nose. I found the entire race and saw a very large blood stain on the ground where his head was after they moved him. I had to pause it, and the image still haunts me and will probably always haunt me when I think of what his friend Professor Watkins was thinking as he worked on Senna. I wish I hadn't seen it, but it can't be unseen. Search for it.
does it Have to be the teams fault if the car broke.....could senna have over driven the car causing something to break?
why no journist never talked about that autopsy and they keeps saying senna died at the hospital ? a journalist should be curious by nature. especialy about something as mysterious as senna death.
RIP Michele Alboreto the last proper italian for Ferrari
"but in an F1 car it is a full throttle straight. Period."
False. Period. If it were straight, it would be ZERO lateral G, instead of the 3-4 G usually experienced.
Youre correct to the extent that no driver (who is good enough to make it to F1) is ever going to miss that turn in a million years. But its ridiculous to pretend its a straight.
not to long after michele told everyone the the crash had started due to a mechanical falure he was suddenly killed in a crash and there is no video of this only a picture from afterwards that is pretty strange
Where are the two missing chips that could have solved the mystery ???? What was Williams hiding ?
plenty
I see you put "" signs around the term conspiracy theory.
Have you read 1984?
i agree with TXizzle
just have better run offs with those fences that stops planes
Frank Williams was a broken man knowing that one of the worlds greatest drivers was killed in a Williams. Ayrton knew the risks, just like all other drivers who got killed in the past. Of course it is sad, but they all died doing something that they loved most of all. Ayrton would turn in his grave if he could read some of the remarks and comments posted here. He would never accuse his team of neglicence because he KNEW they are all proffesionals just like himself.
I know all these "What they did not say" videos basically talk about the broken steering column and seems to put the blame on Williams.
Look I wont absolve them of doing a half assed, negligent (possibly criminal) job with the steering column but Senna DID ask for it. He said fix this, so they did. It wouldn't have happened if he didn't, and because he was Senna I assume either he would not wait or they felt they had to do it right then. Not absolving or casting blame. Just trying to be fair.
Many safety improvements were needed...Don't forget Ratzenberger who also died that weekend. Rubens, who could've died. The spectators who were injured by flying debris, and the pit crew staff injured by a tire coming off at high speed.
The series clearly needed more safety, and it seems wild to think in 1994, during my life, there was no pit road speed limit and crew could just hang around, and that they could run at a track with so little run off before a concrete wall, that cars were still so exposed, that something like wheel tethers were never thought of. But that's how it was. Senna's death was a tragedy not a conspiracy, and its a shame this weekend had to happen before changes were implemented.
Cars breaking is part of racing. this is not scandal. its part of the deal.
I saw a gun flying (5:44...)
@Xternol, How did they take $6.5 million over an F1 driver? If they cancelled the race, thus losing the $6.5 million, would they have have NOT lost him? Explain how not taking the $6.5 million would mean that he would still be with us....
He still died, whether they got the money or not.
and francois cevert the year before, same track too.
flipsidedogchop francois cevert died in the 1970s mate.
1976 or so.
SENNA UMA BESTA IGUAL VILLENEVE .
NINGUEM É MELHOR QUE NINGUÉM NESSE MUNDO.
AQUELE QUE FOI PERFEITO MATARAM SR : JESUS.
I could never understand why nascars COT ( then car of tomorrow now car of today)had a wing in its original design especially with all we know about the aerodynamics of lift and downforce. I was against it from the get go, it dosnt take a genius to see that downforce on a car going forward turns to lift on the same car going backwards, Its pretty bad that nobody on the design team voiced thier opinion on the dangers of a wing, especially at a superspeedway
Senna was worth more than 6.5 million dollars... RIP mate
If a car loses ground effect, by air getting in underneath, the car lifts off the road. In dramatic cases, it scan launch into the air and flip over end to end.
This was not a dramatic case, just a stupid one. Rough ridges lifted the front up, potholes allowed air in underneath, the car was sliding on a cushion of air. Without front wheel contact with the ground, turning was impossible. With less downforce on the back, braking was less effective.
But how does any of that really matter? The same could have been true on a circuit with runoff, tyre walls/armco, and above all, walls not at such a shallow angle to the trajectory a car must follow if it leaves the track (an object will remain in a state of uniform motion unless acted upon by a force), without the driver dying or getting more than lightly bruised.
The insanity of the retaining wall is what killed Senna. The same corner nearly killed Burger. The same criteria I just outlined killed Ratzenberger and, if you go through history, I believe you will find a lot of F1 deaths and injuries involve those same criteria, time and time again.
The rule changes after Senna's death actually worsened safety by a lot and the FIA now admit that they blundered badly there. I do not understand why, though, as speed is only a marginal consideration. In addition to Newton's laws, you have the conservation of energy and the conservation of momentum. That's it. Five laws and those five alone decide if a driver will live or die. Is it truly too much to ask the greatest engineering minds on the planet to solve just five equations? Are they really so dense they can't manage it? If so, put me in charge. I know what I'm doing. I can make F1 exciting, "dangerous", spectacular and non-lethal. Ecclestone apparently can't do any of that.
If I'm just not famous enough, then choose someone who can handle basic maths and physics. With the shuttering of schools and universities around the world, there must be some unemployed megagenius the FIA can hire.
Alboretto said it, a mechanical problem, maybe sabotage?
Pretty bloody close to it though. Most of the grip was generated through downforce, and if you were going fast, any major loss of downforce = you're fucked.
Search for his actual name, then you may find it. Michele Alboreto.
dude the day that senna died was the worst day in F1 ever not only because a f1 driver died, but maybe because the best of all the best drivers died ;)
So we are in agreement, it IS a curve.
Understood =]
It didnt really move down, it moved to the left. Thats obviously what would happen if the car veered right, as it did.