Cold War Spy: "It's Not Like James Bond" | Minutes With Podcast |
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- In the Cold War, David Butler was one of a few people allowed to freely roam between East and West Germany. On paper, his role was to facilitate messages between the two. In reality, David was a spy. He tells us about years of missions, gathering intelligence on the Soviets for the British security services, whilst avoiding being caught by the Stasi.
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I'm German and both of my grandmothers still talk about how the soldiers used to give them chocolates and sweets after the war, so I wouldn't underestimate the effects of buying children sweets 😅 especially after a war. It sure had a very long-lasting positive effect on how they viewed Brits and Americans
My grandfather who was in the British army was a driver for some Generals and diplomats in Köln days after the end of the war. There are photos of him with groups of German children. He would save his rations of sweets and chocolates for them. He always had a soft spot for kids, he was the best Grandfather to me and my brother and sister.
@@simonblackwell4112 that's so interesting!
Interesting! My grandmother told me the same thing about Nazi soldiers in France!
I am a former SO I just got out of prison.
Great interviewer! Didn't interrupt, didn't go on a tangent, just guided the conversation to things we'd find interesting and let things flow.
It was almost like a conversation! It’s amazing how far lad bible has come.
It’s amazing how many UA-cam epidemiologists are also interview experts.
@@Mr.Monta77 I'm an interview expert and have been doing it for twenty years. They're doing great.
For our young listeners it’s important to note that Berlin was, itself, in East Germany so W. Berlin was an island inside the Iron Curtain. This situation set the stage for the W. Berlin blockade and the Berlin Airlift
I love listening to this and realizing I was in high school while he was having this life. Same planet and such different lives.
To be fair - russians did not "punish east germans for the losses". It was like that in entire soviet block back then.
Cracking interview and so typical of the British Army. I lived at Brigade HQ in Berlin (the old Olympic Stadium) for a while in 1978; though I worked at the US Army facility on the Teufelsberg. One day, back at Brigade, I remember seeing one of the BRIXMIS Opel Admiral cars with a smashed up front end. I asked what had happened and the BRIXMIS lads replied, rather cheerfully I thought, that a Sov had deliberately driven his tank into it. Unfortunately, I never once saw a SOXMIS car with similar damage.
I was on the Stadium from 80 to 82 as a civvy storeman for the Signals. Best two years of my life !
I remember that we went twice over to visit my mother's sister and her family. They were living in an old Prussian camp where the horse's stables had been converted into homes. I clearly remember that the rent was just shy of 20 Marks and when I went with my cousin through town to see a movie (it was called "Apache", oh boy all those memories are coming back) and we passed a shop where they had lemons in the window offering them for 0.50 Mark but they were in such a poor state that in "the west" they would have been put into the bin. Lots of other memories like they were collecting empty cans which they picked up from the railway lines that were running from west Germany to west Berlin. The trains were not allowed to stop anywhere in between the borders and passengers were discarding empty (sometimes even full) cans of beer or other drinks that were served in cans and they would be picked up and collected like we in the west would collect stamps and I remember that we had beer cans with us from the Olympic Games in Munich at the time. They would fetch real good money. Crazy times
That must've been fascinating. Would've been great to have collected some East German memorabilia.
Awesome interview. I absolutely love hearing actual veteran testimonials, like from WWII and such, but now that this post war time has become a certain distance in the past, we're beginning to hear from those vets since, unfortunately, people who fought in the war are becoming fewer and fewer. And so, I am very glad that we're beginning to hear this particular generation's stories. Keep up the great work LADbible!!
Post war?
Jimmy wtf are you on? Post war...
Him talking about how the "staff" at the Mission House was working for the Stassi ... reminds me of a scene in Bridge of Spies with Tom Hanks. Which is the story of the Glienicke Bridge, a restricted East German Bridge that acted as a border crossing. Where the exchange of Rudolph Able a Russian spy, for Gary Powers a US U2 pilot took place. Tom Hanks plays the Attorney appointed to defend Able, as he was a prosecution attorney at the Nuremberg Trials, in '46
When he goes to meet with a Soviet Diplomat in East Germany. A whole charade is put on by people who are supposedly Able's family.
They're crying and 'How is our wonderful cousin Able doing?'
He knows this isn't Able's family.
When the Diplomat comes in, they stop right in the middle of what they were doing. Stopped crying, stood up and did a military march right out of the room, in lock step.
The Diplomat tries to reference them, but gets the names and relationships backwards.
So when TH corrects him, he know he didn't fall for it, and would be tougher than expected.
They were obviously Soviet KGB or Stassi, posing as family.
It's a good film
You know this gentleman is the real deal when the interviewer clarifies the poop-paper documents.
He sits straight faced basically "that's right."
He's definitely carried out much more difficult orders than that in his career. How awesome
Such an interesting and articulate raconteur. He's led quite the life.
"Who was indoctrinating who?" is the most important question I've heard in this so far (listening in bits). And the admission that the role played by soldiers in the occupation (on all sides) amounted to psychological warfare operations is necessary to understand too.
I don't think so. I know it's all the rage in the West now to run down anything we've ever done, but certainly on the WW2 issue and what proceded we were certainly on the right side of it. The Soviets were far closer to a closed off dictatorship than anything comparable in the West. Ask the East Germans if they would welcome back Soviet rule.
Blown away by the guys bravery, resilience, intelligence and how he has come through from the other side.
Just blown away, he gives me so much hope.
All the best to him, his wife, his family, his projects to help other people and indirectly helping himself.
Thank god there are people like him who look after us and I'm so sorry that they pay so much doing that and get abandoned by the organisation that put them through that.
Something needs to change no ?
Before podcasts, these stories where either only recorded on very specific interviews or TV shows or were lost to history. Great now we record these veterans stories which are so often more interesting and honest than official records
Such a good interview technique, not just boring set questions that are stuck to rigidly, but a genuine interest and understanding in what the interviewee has just said and then building on that dynamically
These vids are spot on, many thanks for posting them.
Great interview, plus my compliments to the studio techs; sound, lighting and camera work is all first rate.
I love your content so much. I learn from you! Thank you.
What a legend
another excellent interview. Thanks
" your average Soviet or now Russian Soldier is pretty used to hardship", I worked with some gentlemen from the former Soviet Union and they were GEEZAS no messing about ship-shape, solid blokes.
Hahahahahahaha....... their showing that in Ukraine.
@@fc7424 you should go to the Ukraine and show them what you’re made of boy
Met some Russian airforce guys flying cargo, gear was way out dated by western standards but they were solid guys.
Don’t forget that even the ukrainians were soviet soldiers once.
@@vedantdwivedi6814 not only soldiers, Ukrainians led the Soviet Union and dominated the politburo for 30 years. Before that it was Georgians. Both held power for longer than Russian leaders
Great interview!
The regular videos are fantastic. But these are exceptional. Love listening to this. If anyone else are interested in what real life spies were and how it worked, I HIGHLY recommend the book "The Billion Dollar Spy".
As well as that you should look up Jonna Mendez, the former CIA chief of disguise. She has a couple of videos with Wired, but I suggest you look up her talks at conferences where she goes into a lot more detail. Her late husband Antonio Mendez sure lived an interesting life as well.
Inside the company and legacy of ashes are excellent and real eye openers
"there was a line that, ... shouldn't be crossed!"
There was a whole big fudge-off wall, in fact!!
Great story! I think this time period is over-looked a little. Good to hear someone talk about it
Great interview
I grew up as an army brat in West Berlin. I used to sell American cigarettes and playboy and penthouse to the Russians.
How ?
I was in Heidelberg after the wall and Stuttgart before
Regarding pornography, my fella worked on the Michael Jackson tour when he played a gig at Moscow. They had Deep Throat playing when a Soviet Policeman had to come into the band coach and saw Deep Throat on the screen. His eyes were like saucers and he couldn't take his eyes off the screen! He was a young man who had never seen anyone like that in his life!
We were briefed on recognizing Soxmis vehicles back in the day. Interesting times.
There's a cracking book about the BRIXMIS activities I read some years ago but can't recall the name. Absolutely fascinating stuff.
Excellent Thank you
Excellent interview! Great format, and superb interviewing skills.
One thing that was little unclear, probably because I missed something. What time period was he active? I got confused when the initial context was explained as immediately after the end of the war. So I assumed early 1950s. Then later on he's talking about night vision goggles and I realized he was probably talking about late -70s or early 1980s instead.
At the beginning im pretty sure he said 86-89
Yes from 86’ to 89’ …..just before the wall fell
Great show and so interesting
When that old bloke down the pub tells you he was a spy but he actually was 🤣
Salute sir!!!
Great - thanks
Calling James Bond a "spy" or secret agent is pretty silly since his character never did any spying and was never secretive. He would just show up where the bad guys were, publicly identify himself as James Bond, wait for someone to try killing him and then chase that person and that would lead him to the top bad guy. The bad guy would tie him up, explain his evil plan, Bond would escape at the last minute before being killed and then the bad guys secret HQ would blow up. The only other thing is the sexy girls- some good and some bad. And the gadgets Bond got- new ones each assignment. Never used again no matter how useful they ended up being.
When they portrayed life in the west as better and more prosperous, that wasn’t simply propaganda. Life was far better on our side. This man undersells the role of showing people under Soviet despotism a view of our better life. I remember when the wall came down former soviets were lauding Ted Turner for showing them that they could have a better life. It was a factor in the fall of the CCCP.
I think it was propaganda, because that prosperity never came. The nations of the former Soviet Union experienced the most precipitous drop in life expectancy and QoL in modern history from which they still haven’t recovered. Many people today are rightfully grateful for being free of the Soviet Union, but they have suffered for it without the investment and support of the USA that we promised and never delivered. We seemed more interested in buying out the former nomenklatura of the Soviet government and turning them into oligarchs…
Propaganda doesn't necessarily mean falsehood & lies - it's about propagating a message. The best propaganda is truthful (although perhaps not presenting a complex argument) as in this case.
Glad to see someone else say this.
Love Dave - hate the implication of 'spying' in this context.. also a little sad that the true original intention of the Mission - to undertake verification through close observation of the Soviet Forces in the interests of avoiding tension arising through misunderstandings of troop and equipment movements didn't get a mention
Quite right! Best job any of us had!
The fact that world history was helped determined by the allies giving ussr soldiers magazines with naked ladies for info is amazing🤣🤣
Men I wouldn't expect anything less from men
Good on you mate quoting Animal Farm...
Some are more equal than others 🐾🐾🐾
Yeah like that conservative peer who got a 29m taxpayer funded ppe contract kickback for gowns the nhs never used
Legend 🔥
Beginning of every video “okay so obviously we’ve met before, but for the viewers…” 😂
We had SOXMIS in Bunde and in Hannover. No big deal. Brixmis was run by 3 Int and Sy Coy, Army Intelligence Corps, based in Berlin.
As an Intelligence Corps soldier, my Dad spent a lot of time in Germany following and reporting on Russian intelligence agents (amongst others, including west German politicians with dodgy connections). He worked with German police re. the Bader-Meinhof mob and the IRA. I believe he also worked with Signals near the Berlin Wall.
In Cyprus, it was EOKA and interesting run-ins with President Makarios (including my Dad's one and only parachute jump - a night-time HALO jump with two SAS soldiers fastened onto him, one on each arm).
In Hong Kong, it was interviewing Illegal Immigrants for evidence of military knowledge of the People's Liberation Army.
He always threatened to write a book about his experiences but, alas, he never did and now he never will.
my Uncle was in the intel. corps. He was in Cyprus and Hong Kong. He got beaten up in Cyprus when some soldiers blew His cover. Your Dad might have known Him.
When He retired He went to live in the Turkish side of Cyprus. He loved the Turks. I think He could speak at least 10 languages. Past away a few years ago. RIP
He was a RSM
Your dad had one interesting life :)
Respect and RIP.
You’ve done a good job for him in a few paragraphs. Plenty for the imagination to fill in.
As an aside, my Uncle had his and his friends camp attacked in Cyprus, he and the soldiers in his tent were quite badly burned. Never the same man apparently.
You never know who’s doing, or has done what, in the shadows to make sure we keep enjoying our relatively comfortable way of life. 👍
@@anthonyhowrard526 Strange parallels. My Dad was a Turkish interpreter during the '74 conflict and also a Cantonese speaker during his final two postings to Hong Kong (late seventies / early eighties; his first was early 60s which is where and when I happened along). He was a victim of John Knott's Defence Review.
Like your uncle, my parents also retired to the TRNC. They lived west of Girne and west of Lapta in what was a small village called Karşıyaka although it has grown greatly in recent years.
Both my Mum and Dad are buried in the Chrisitan section of Lapta Cemetary, having died in 2015 and 2019 respectively.
I don't recognise your surname. My Dad was Tom Murphy. If he did know your uncle in Cyprus, mine would have been a WO2; in Hong Kong, a WO1.
Was your uncle also a Howrard?
Ironically, I'm not even a fan of ice cream really, so that would not have worked on me at all. lol I'd be like buy me cookies or pie instead.
I think it's a western drawback accepting a short circuit of the chain of command.
Our forces now have a much better command structure, but the fear of brass was probably too high in western forces for many years.
My bosses boss has no business telling me what to do.
He tells my boss what to do, not me.
Otherwise everyone is doing a hundred different disjointed and even opposing actions.
In the 80's the Soviets had no discernible OPSEC. It was so easy to get classified information.
I DEMAND A VIDEO OF THIS GUY'S LIFE
What a life this guy has had
What is the name of the intro song? Is there any way I can listen to this violin piece on its own?
I feel for the soldier who’s ruck sack he stole. Him and his family probably died in the Gulag for losing it.
Funny how he is thinking that soviets were keeping East Germany poor out of spite for the war (which presumes that things were better elsewhere in Soviet Union), while in SU itself, according to numerous accounts, military service in East Germany was considered a cushy job, because it was much richer and abundant then most other places.
It’s not like he was actually there🤔
Keep in mind, what’s poor for a part of Germany compared to the rest of the West can still be rich compared to most of the CCCP and its sphere of influence.
The answer to why Germany was split up wow that was a very good answer I’m really interested in these things but well worded
I imagine the Stasi constantly suspected (or knew full well) he was a spy.
He was NOT a spy! We all were correctly accredited to the Soviets, were unarmed, drove in vehicles with huge bright yellow number plates with cyrillic script titels on them denoting we were Soviet accpted liaison officers, we were in British uniform withe our BRIXMIS union jacks on either arm and were totally unarmed and made a point of making sure the Sovs knew it. We (BRIXMIS staff) were intelligence gathering of course but the title "I spied in the Soviet Union" is just painfully and embarassingly
wrong.
@@nigeldunkley2986 Depends on how a person defines "spying". He was not a secret agent but one can spy without being a secret agent.
Manscape 4.0 review the highlight for me…
The Soviets did not loose a million men at Berlin...they took the city with a million men. If they had lost a million, imagine had many they would have needed to capture the city.
Indeed.
Yeah, more like 80-100k dead and another 280-300 wounded, which is 400k total casualties. Even adding in losses on the approach from the Oder to Berlin the numbers are like 50-80k more dead and 200k wounded so about 700k total casualties.
I guess he never claimed he was a historian, only a spy. If Putin is any example, his grasp of history is shite, too. Well what am I saying, lying is part and parcel with spying.
In this case though, I suspect the guy simply didn't know, or embellished his answer. Besides it's not really germane to the story, which is still a fascinating glimpse into the past that few people ever knew about. I was stationed in West Germany for 5 years and did not know at the time that such liaison missions existed and some of the things that went on. Since then I've learned a lot about the various MLM missions and this gentleman has done a couple different documentaries over BRIXMIS.
@@Mr.Monta77 USA only lost 400.000 during ww2
Well the Soviets took around the 70000 - 85000 mark taking Berlin however during the couse of the entire World War 2 the Soviets took approximately 8.6 million in casualties. The highest number of casualties for any country's Army in the entire war.
To be honest i think they took more
@@darrellpratt4479 The Kremlin never bothered much about the lives of ordinary people. Which of course is also very clear in the war on Ukraine. The Kremlin will do everything to keep the real number secret.
I was in soviet army in Germany (DDR) 1986-88
Thank you for your service
You betrayed your German heritage
The older men born several generations ago are the biggest bad asses.
Never lend your dirty mags to any keen soldier, you'll get back just one thick page!!!
Cool
We'll have a half, the US gets a half, France gets a half and Russia gets a half. Bob's your uncle.
Well, technically, the USSR got a half, the British and Americans shared a half, and France doesn't really exist. So, the math all adds up. 😉
Mum visited USSR in the 1980's and the Soviet Customs guys asked her ''Have you any pornogrrrraphy?''...as if a genteel lady in her 40's would be carrying porn!
I had no idea that Porn mags weren't available to the Soviets then,
can you crank that BASS up a bit more so it starts to tremble my eardrums out of my ear ? thanks
"Do you see Putins actions as an attempt to reclaim the Soviet Union?"
I can answer that one. Yes. Putin said so himself in a speech before the invasion.
@@jamesmason1347 At first he said “I’m Putin. This is my speech before the invasion. My future actions are a direct attempt to reclaim the Soviet Union.”
Then he said: “I’m Putin. I may have miscalculated a few things. Now Ukraine is dropping warheads on my guys’ foreheads. We’re getting our asses handed to us, thus I’m very embarrassed. I’ll go back to my basement to play with my soft, small manhood. I wish I could rub Brandon’s hairy legs in the pool with the other American children. Let’s Go Brandon.”
@@jamesmason1347 "The West wants Russia in a box. Russia will not be in a box."
You are wrong though. He is more fond of the Idea of Russian Empire and he views himself as a Tzar. USSR-obsessed leader would provide mire attentive towards regional politics: he has no such interest and/or power.
@@AA-cf4es Well, he's not exactly an experienced military man, or politician. He's making it up as he goes along.
First of all - what an absolute legend. Kinda proves the point that what doesn't kill you - makes you stronger. Good luck to the gentleman and many more years to make us youngsters look and learn. Second - Russia - due to various historic and geographic reasons - has for hundreds, if not thousands, of years - chosen the governing method of a single tsar-like madman daddy in the front who's vaguely elected (or not at all) - with very few exceptions - ones that Russia usually isn't very fond on remembering itself. This - the tsar madman - ruling method - requires an external enemy. Although Ukraine, the Baltics, Poland, Chechnya, South Ossethia, Georgia, Moldova etc - have never thought of invading Russia - nor are there any REAL threats to Russian populations in these countries - nor are there any threats from NATO countries that they could ever invade - Russia always seems to be irked by the existence of these countries. Also - in case of Crimea - there's a large strategic port on Crimea (Sevastopol) - which Russia is extremely keen on having. So although there are no real reasons why Russia is doing what it's doing (apart from Putin's paranoia and schizophrenic fantasies) - Russia is simply slaughtering the civil population inside Ukraine. I truly hope that with (almost) the entire world coming together - and denying Russia its schizophrenic conquests on a whim of a madman trying to manipulate his own population - will turn Russia in on itself - in the long run - helping it become a "normal" country - who knows, the hope is meager, esp. looking at hoards of zombified (Z) puppies. Anyway. Thanks for the video - greetings from Latvia.
Polish up your geopolitics
When the USSR agreed to their dismantlement, Gorbachev’s stipulation that Eastern block not become part of NATO has clearly not been honored. Perhaps the greatest bloodless revolution in terms of the demise of the USSR was apparently not enough. Who is the aggressor for sanctimonious state security? Russia the eternal boogeyman.
Agreed with your comments with world rugby. Their actions letting owens off was the biggest issue that Owens benefited off and that is why people are angry at the unfairness in application of rugby laws.
Owens biggest problem is his bad habit in shoulder leading and height tackle. It is a bad habit. He has to invest time in removing that bad habit when the stress of the game increases. That takes time to retrain the mind through repetitive training which he needs other players help, even other players that have the same issue. The more the emotional invest in the retaining the better it becomes a habit.
Not a real spy. It's exactly like James Bond.
Growing up in Romania after the communism fell, late 90' early 2000s, i would go to people's houses and see people using like magazines instead of toilet paper, i remember thinking "that's strange", because the toilet paper was very cheap. After years i realized that in the Ceausescu regime, everything was missing from shelves, from food to toilet paper, so they had to improvise, and they just got used to it and continued to use magazines as toilet paper even when there was plenty of it in stores.
If you see two fish fighting in water, you can be sure an Englishman passed by five minutes ago.
What?
Butler. David Butler. (play Butler movie theme song)
A Bit of Information. I have never heard masterbation described like this🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
They read it’ for the articles
You're not really a spy if the side you're spying on knows you're a spy, now are you?
That's actually pretty much how it works on all sides most of the time.
At the beginning of the interview I hear your surprise at dividing up Germany. Is it really not comon knowledge that the allies only trusted the Soviets as far as they could throw them? I mean, Churchill was only convinced the Nazis were the bigger threat (than the Soviets) in the thirties.
Churchill quite openly praised Hitler and would have welcomed Nazi Germany had they not invaded Poland. I quote:
"I have always said that if Great Britain were defeated in war I hoped we should find a Hitler to lead us back to our rightful position among the nations. I am sorry, however, that he has not been mellowed by the great success that has attended him. The whole world would rejoice to see the Hitler of peace and tolerance, and nothing would adorn his name in world history so much as acts of magnanimity and of mercy and of pity to the forlorn and friendless, to the weak and poor."
Furthermore, In the context of Churchill’s hard line against providing famine relief to Bengal, the colonial secretary, Leo Amery, remarked: “On the subject of India, Winston is not quite sane … I didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitler’s.”
the sound on this video is so bad - lots of reverb and echoing on the guest's mic.
Remember brixmas well
In the Soviet Union? No. East Germany, yes.
46:04 you remember wrong. russia has been invaded multiple times by the east. from japan for example.
46:11 Not true. The Russians were badly mauled in the East by the Japanese in 1904-05. The Ottomans attacked three times from the south: in 1570, in 1853-56 during the Crimean War and during WW1. And then there was the Mongols...
Fascinating interview though.
Don’t forget Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. They occupied Moskva a couple times. Oh yah, Gustavus Adolphus too. Sweden got even further commonwealth haha.
@@jamesson1154 You've missed my point. The interviewee was wrong to say Russia had only ever been invaded from the West. Poland, Lithuania and Sweden are all to the west of Russia.
@@cathbadmusic8489 ah, I’ll scan slower next time.
So Germany had four halves?
This dudes looking mighty fresh for a 94/95 year old minimum. What’s his secret?
Who said he was 95?
he was active in the late 80s just before the wall came down, so he'll likely be in his mid 60s.
@@cosmicdebris2223 could be mid to late 50’s
His secret is that being 20-30 in 1989 makes you 55-65 not 95. His secret is math
Bruv
"The British, we got the northern half of Germany; the Americans got the southern half; and the majority of the eastern half was occupied by soviet troops". Not sure your maths is entirely flawless there dude...
He's completely correct though. What sort of "maths" are you referring to? It's geography, and yes we the Brits had central to northern Germany (on the western side) reaching up to Kiel (with the Dutch and Belgians in similar locations but much smaller), the Americans from central Germany (just north of Frankfurt am Main, Frankfurt itself and reaching down to Bavaria with the French occupying the southern corner just east of France. Germany was divided up into east and west Germany, and the eastern part was under Soviet occupation. Have a look at the map;
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied-occupied_Germany
@@cosmicdebris2223 I was just joking about how he said 'half' three times since three halves of a Germany would make up 1.5 Germanies, not 1 Germany. I wasn't referring to the actual history or geography of it. But thanks anyway dude xxx
Two 20 second ads ffs 😤
Just buy the first 30 seconds I knew this man would be interesting. The simple yet brilliant idea of giving porn magazines to the Soviet soldiers as a way to get in their good graces is so creative, love it! It's just absolutely bloody brilliant!
28:40
James bond was an assassin, not a spy.😜😁
He spied with his little eyes something that begins with S.U
😊😊😊😊 😊 😊😊😊😊
I dont think Russia had toilet paper until very late in the cold war or maybe after the soviet union collapsed.
Berlin wasn't the Soviet Union bruv
I don't know why the French are listed as equals in regard to the occupying force, more of a political contribution than military (if you ignore Vichy)
Hearts, minds and co*ks
Walter
It’s shocking that this needs to be explained in such an elementary way.
"times were hard for the average east German" .. and what about working class people in Britain.... Poor as fuck and hungry and cold.
It was a million times better in Britain.
Where's the picture of Trump as one of the Russian spies lol
Hey half the population actually believe in the Russian Collusion delusion lol 😆 so scary people that dumb.
@@justinlanger7109 you can call it all you want but it's reality so........
@@justinlanger7109 and just because you repeated a rhyme scheme you heard on propaganda TV doesn't make it real lmao
@@justinlanger7109 why did he bend over for vlad and give him what he wanted? And why hide hid tax returns if he didn't collude with Russia when Russia helped him win in 2016???
LOL "orange man bad" 😂
Such a smug cold war hero.
Thanks though.
I suppose the basic overview of Cold War history might be necessary for some viewers, but i wish you skipped over it.