Why I Passed On The Rickenbacker
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- Опубліковано 3 січ 2022
- Post# 20: Why I Passed On The Rickenbacker
I decided not to buy a Rickenbacker after all. It seems like every time I get close to buying one, it either disappears or I hear another horror story about one. I understand that the ones made from 2022 on have better bridges, but it then I hear about issues with the truss rods. The cons seem to outweigh the pros, so I will leave it like this; if Rickenbacker shows up for $1,500 or less, I will get one, if not, I will stay away.
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I'm a happy Ric owner. Could be a case of winners and losers, but My bass must have been one of the winners. It will be with me till I die. I wouldn't say it's my number one, but everytime I pick it up I haven't to question why it isn't. I have to admit... I saw the video that was made by Daves world of fun stuff... I thought it was hilarious too.
RIC is the best all over the world
@@norbertdombai860 😂
@@norbertdombai860 yep, they're not all the same though so you gotta try before you buy, some have fatter necks which I find kinda undesirable in a ric
I own several basses including Gibsons, Fender, G&L, and two Rickenbackers, a 4003s and a 4003. Two truss rods and all both are great. No issues at all. Sometimes you have to take a chance and see for yourself.
Rickenbackers are garbage that's why I bought three of them 👌
Lmao! I agree 100% and I have 3 on my wall, too.
God wasting $6000 on an ergonomically questionable one trick pony? I’ll take 4
I own three (all 4001 model) of them as well. Yes!
Personally I think you should have got the ric, yeah they have eccentricity but the Rickenbacker guitars and basses are extremely well made, they are so unique it's either a love or hate for many people, yeah the Hagstrom is nice but it had a broken switch as well ,when I was a teenager my left-handed dad had a right handed ric 3001 bass(kinda their p-bass) so I played it, man that was a great bass and I miss it after he sold it, he regrets selling it as much as I miss it , the thing about the weird truss rod and difficult set up, it never ever needed any adjustments, nothing ever broke on it and it sounded huge even with just a single pick-up, right now I am in the market looking for a Rickenbacker guitar, I've always "passed on" them when I've had the opportunity to grab one and never stopped wanting one. I'm gonna predict you'll end up getting a Rick eventually, finding one just a little more perfect.
The new bass sounds and looks absolutely brilliant!
You really dodged a bullet by not buying that Rick. I chatted with Geddy's bass tech (Skully) some years ago. He said the Ricks were a nightmare. Soft frets, low output, faulty wiring and the worst bridges in bass history. "Those Ricks decomposed during every show. Geddy & I were so happy when he changed to the Jazz basses full time."
I've had one for about 10 years & it hasn't been out of it's case in 4. No motivation to play it at all. It looks nice, I guess.
Thank you! That is so cool that you got to chat with Skully! However, I'm sorry to hear that you no longer play your Rick. I always wanted one in my collection, but now I guess that will never be. There have been some developments with the Hagstrom, so I might be returning it. Some of the frets aren't right but I'm going to let a tech check it out. Ricks are $2,000 and Hagstrom Vikings normally go for $1,249. I just feel like I need to be thankful for the basses I bought 20 & 30 years ago and quit buying more.
Thanks for posting. I will stay with my Fender Jazz. The price is too much anyways.
I've owned a number of Rickenbackers over the years and picked up a 2015 4003S last year and love the tone. I also own a US Geddy Lee Jazz, go figure. Those two instruments are night and day, not for quality but a case of apples and oranges. I've owned Alembics, Fenders, Gibsons, Hofners, G&L's, Music Mans, Rick's, Steinbergers, Travis Beans, Warwicks, Yamahas, and a few more that I've forgotten about. They're all perfect and they're all disasters, every one of them has a pros and cons list. If you passed on the Rock at this time, you may find one in the future that is your cup of tea. Same thing about amps and strings, they're all different and it depends on what you need and want at any given moment.
I’ve had,have and played Rics for over 40 years. I’ve had and have Fenders and others. I always go back to my Ric 4001. If you are happy with what you have now that’s great. By the way I just replaced my toggle switch it cost me about £30 from Rickysounds UK. Enjoy and thanks.🇬🇧
Should have gone with the Ric. Specially since you liked it. The toggle switch could have easily been fixed like on the bass you decided to get. Besides, its the tech that deals with the set ups as with any bass. You just enjoy playing them.
I truly felt a connection with it. Now, I can't really find one like it for around that price. Next time I find one that feels remotely close to that one, I'm gonna buy it.
@@progrockjock yeah it's a shame that they keep getting more expensive, and I'm 17, and have wanted one for years, finally had the 1500 I needed to get it, now I can't find any even used for near that price, so I bought my friend and American strat instead, but it's rediculas how they keep raising the price
@@bafoolagan4273 You have so much time to find the right tools you need. The right bass will show up at the right time. I remember all of the urgency I put behind purchasing gear when I was 17 and a lot of it wasn't worth it, mainly when it came to amplification. I will say that what I really miss are some of the bass treasures I had and basically thrown away. a matching pair of Stingrays (one frettless), a Ken Smith. The list goes on. When I was 17, a Rick may have set you back $800. I paid $2,000 for the 2 Stingrays together and those would easily go for $7,000 today. That Ken Smith alone would be worth $8,000 today and I paid $2400 for it at age 23. I have a custom shop Strat that I paid $1,200 for in 1995. It's worth around $3,000 today. Best of luck! Come back here and keep me posted from time to time.
Just so I can say I asked…
Were we sure it wasn’t plugged in using the Rick-O-Sound jack?
If it was, you’ll only get one pickup’s signal if you’re not using the splitter box.
[ahem]… don’t ask me how I know.
Anyway, if the issue WAS only getting one pickup working and not some other issue with the selector switch, just offering that up, like I said, just so I could say I offered and in case it hadn’t been mentioned previously.
Nice playing 😉on that one!
Thanks!
Rickenbacker's are the best! The initial setup is a chore with the original bridge, not sure about the new one. The original bridge requires you going to the hardware store and buying a file to file the bridge down properly, on top of everything else. But once it's set up right you're good for years, with a couple minor tweaks of the truss Rod's. The only downfall of the Rickenbacker is they're going for $2,500 right now, and it's not going to hold up as well as a $1,800 fender.
New ricks (as in 2021+) have been getting new and improved bridges and truss rods, much easier to set up and from what I understand the frets are no longer soft. Im waiting until I can find a newer model 4003SW, its cheaper but the main sacrifice is the binding, stereo output and the premium inlay. If anyone has any stories from ricks dated 2021, I'd love to hear them. I'd hate to buy one and find out all these recent improvements weren't enough.
I have three of the 2021 models. They are all fantastic instruments. I love the oiled fret board and the new bridge is awesome. You’re really missing out by passing on a newer Ric.
Your missing out. I bought 2 rickenbacker basses in 2021. They are amazing quality instruments. Price is unbeatable. These models come with an upgraded excellent bridge. No to ogle switch issues. Get anything 2021 or newer.
I have a 2021 4003FG, I love this bass. I also have a Jazz 60 and a Starstream, but I like the Rick the best. It’s my go to gig guitar.
Just bought my first Ric a week ago. It's a 2021 model so it has an upgraded bridge and truss rod. It's real nice as long as you ditch the plastic pickup cover. The only problem I have with it is the neck is really thick on the first few frets and it makes it kinda uncomfortable.
Thanks for sharing! I hope things work out for you and the bass. I'm currently back in the hunt for a Ric and I hear 2021 is the way to go.
Sounds great!!!
I recently had the opportunity to buy a '75 4001 and I didn‘t let it pass like the 1972 Fender Precision three tone sunburst from my drummers dad. But back then I was a student and couldn’t afford the price. But now I could afford the Rickenbacker but also got it a few hundred bucks cheaper than I was prepared for to pay. So I did it and didn’t regret it. At least not till today. But there are also some things to do, like changing the bridge and tuners and perhaps get the paint a little bit polished. So the money I saved will be invested into making it even more beautiful. And like you did, I do love the looks, the feeling, the handling and the sound that is totally on the opposite of my Stingray MM 5.
Your bass has a very clean earthy tone. It sounds great to my ears. And your playing style is reminiscent of The Ox, Thunderfingers himself, the late great John Entwistle. I'm a guitar player. I love Rickenbacker 6s and 12s. But if I ever need to buy a bass, I will be seriously looking to get a Viking ... when they eventually start importing them down here again. Yes, another Aussie watching your video. Cheers from the Land Down Under.
Thank you very much! You had me at “The Ox” ...I am honored. I’m so grateful that I got to see them with Ringo’s son on drums back in 1997. They played Quadrophenia in its entirety. The Who Sell Out is one of my favorites! All of The Who has been an influence on me since the beginning. Townsend, Hendrix, Eddie and Prince got me interested in playing the guitar. However, Spike Cassidy, John Christ and James Hetfield gave me the confidence to actually play it. However, in the middle of all those influences, speaking of the land down under, I also love INXS, Midnight Oil and Men At Work. I didn’t get into AC⚡DC until much later. Cliff Burton led me over to the bass, which is where I’m most confident, but I love occasionally picking up my trusty Strat and cranking up my Marshall for as long as my ears can stand it.
I’m sad to report that I returned the Hagstrom Viking Bass. There was an issue with the frets and the pickup selector switch still didn’t feel quite right after a few more adjustments. I’ve had a change of heart and will grab the next good Rickenbacker I see.
@@progrockjock Ah well there ya go. Looks like you are destined to have a RIC after all. Have you considered Yamaha or Ibanez instruments? We have seen quite a few of them down here over the years. Many solid models usually a lot better value for money than the RICs and Fenders. RICs are very pricey in OZ now. Imports have dried up due to stock shortages. The used guitar market has skyrocketed because of the pandemic.
A few other solid rock Aussie bassmen you might want to check out ... Steve Kilbey of The Church, the late great Ted Mulry of Ted Mulry Gang, Tony Mitchell of Sherbet, Greg Mcainsh of Skyhooks, Roger McLachlan and George McArdle from Little River Band, and Chris Joannou of Silverchair. Cheers to you :)
It may be destiny with the Ric. We’ll see. Yes, I have considered both brands. I started with an Ibanez and I just bought another one recently. Looked at several Yamaha basses but have yet to buy one. I do have 2 Yamaha acoustic guitars. In Atlanta, you can find a lot of decent inexpensive gear but there’s a lot of trash to sift through. You can get a Yamaha for $200 to $1,000 depending on the quality. Same with Ibanez.
I definitely know of Steve Kilbey, The Little River Band, and Silverchair but the other names you mentioned, I know nothing about. I will check them out.
Thank you!
Glad you're happy with your new bass. As a rick owner I agree they have their quirks but I love them so much. The dual truss rod is actually a good thing by the way, no idea why everyone harps on about it. Makes the neck bulletproof, is turning a extra nut really so bad? 😂
The older bridges can be a bit quirky I will admit, easily fixed by using a post 2018 model or upgrading the bridge. But hey some people like them too as they have the inbuilt padding, a very unique feature.
I wasn't happy with the Hagstrom, so I returned it per GC's advice and resumed my search for a Rickenbacker 4003W. I haven't found another yet for a good deal but I'll get one eventually.
It sounds beautiful❤️
Thank you!
Awesome. It has that early Sound Garden vibe to it.
Didn’t want a Ric with a broken switch….
Bought a Hagstrom….with a broken switch.
Makes sense to me!!!
Ha!!! Welcome to my most misunderstood and polarizing video on this channel! If only the story ended there. I returned the Hagstrom but was unable to get my hands on that Ric, unfortunately. The search for another Ric continues...
Bought my Rickenbacker 4003 at Sam Ash on Manhattan 17 years ago. Love it still. Flawless. Some problems with the electronics lately (some short circuit in the output jack - works OK when I take it out of the body, perhaps the cavity is too tight). The problem with Rickenbacker (in general, not just basses) is quality control is sometimes not good enough, and customer service is horrible.
Thank you for this report! I love hearing about experiences like this. I bought a 6-String Ken Smith from the Sam Ash store in Times Square back in 1998. I wish I had paid more attention to Rickenbackers back then. I'm sure I would've bought one and kept it, unlike the KS.
Thanks for sharing your story about the Rick dude. I have some other impressions. It is said that you either love or hate Rickenbaker basses. I am aware of the issues that come along with the bass because I have owned two. Since I had the 4001 1976 I learned that Rickenbacker is a bass you have to somehow tame. It is a challenge but the reward is just for a few dedicated bass players who find their way out through the nuances. Then I sold this 4001 to pay for my surgery. And I missed its sound as you miss a lover. I have to mention that I also own a Ken Smith and federa basses, non of them able to produce The SOUND. I knew it was going to be hard to get another one because there are not many lefty Ricks around. However I found this 4003 lefty fire glow on eBay, and went for it. By that time, I had already watched tons of videos of players complaining about the sound, quality, shape, thrusrods, etc. but on the other hand some others workshopping Rickenbackers. I did not mind other people’s opinion, I had my own experience, I was able to tame a 1976 old Rick once, and this 2019 wasn’t that hard. I had to cross the border to go and get it. It can become an obsession, I know, and I had to break the bank, yes I admit. I could have gotten a much cheaper Chinese replica (No WAY)
Now when I’m onstage I can tell you man, this bass gives you wings. The bass you bought instead of the Rick, is nice. But you will always have that little voice whispering in your ear: “what if…” thank you for reading.
No, Thank you for sharing your story! This is what I love to hear! Lefty players are special. I should've been a lefty but I was forced into being right-handed for penmanship, which as you know, ultimately died at the hands of modern-day technology. I know I'm looking wishy-washy about the 4003 but as I've mentioned in some recent videos, I'm back in the hunt now. You are right - I just can't get over that Ric-O-Sound! By the way, I returned the Hagstrom Viking. No more cheap basses for me, unless it's an amazing deal.
Great video. Even though the early 70's Ricks are more expensive they sound and look totally different from the current model 4003 and are better in my opinion.
They have a different body shape too
You're absolutely right, I'd never trade my 4001 for a 4003, I've played them and the necks feel different, and I've never had the bridge issues other people complain about, though I did upgrade the tuners to hipshots
Glad you like your Hagstrom. What is the weight of that one?
Thanks, but there were some issues with the fretwork that I just couldn't live with it, so I returned it. I've never returned a bass before, and I hope never to do so again. I'm pretty sure it was 8.4 Pounds. I weighed it myself. It's one of the lightest basses I've played but at the same time, heavier than it looks.
I couldn’t say no for $325.00. I saw mine back in the newspaper classified ads back when they were still around.
It’s a 1980 mapleglo 4001. It looks great hanging on the wall next to my $300.00 1973 Fender precision bass that I purchased at a local flea market. I was pretty lucky back in the day.
Lucky? Bullshit!!! You sold your soul to get those that cheap! I know what this is!
@@sterioapple LOL. You are partially correct. They had to be available at those cheap prices. That’s the lucky part. I won’t tell you about my $150 1970’s Hofner Beatle bass…. That’s a whole other story and not BS.
to each they're own i suppose, brother i've been playin a Rick for many many years and have a few and never once has any of them let me down!! sometimes at shows i will have my P bass with me and tell myself "ya i think i'm gonna jam the Fender tonite" but always go right back to my Rick. anyways , great video and stay groovy mang!!
You're right and I know what you mean. I'm back in the hunt for a Ric. I really hate that I let that one get away. I hope to post a 3rd and final installment to the saga soon...
I love my 2016 Rickenbacker 4003, never had a problem, I haven’t touched anything on it yet (after 6 years). I’m about to put rotosounds on it.
I think you're being a little cautious about the qualities of a Rickenbacker bass. If they were that unreliable, then Chris Squire (who ran a 1964 model as his main bass for 50 years), and Lemmy wouldn't have stuck with them.
I've got one I bought new in 1990, and it's been nothing but utterly reliable, and used regularly. It's had one fret dressing in all that time, and I run it with Rotosound RS66s.
I do my own setups, and only need to tweak the truss rods every 3 or 4 years. That's an easy process - anyone can judge a straight edge, it's not rocket science.
I play Fenders too, but nothing sounds like a Rickenbacker bass. Don't be scared of them, as they are wonderful instruments.
I really appreciate your feedback and you make very strong points. Ultimately, if it plays and sounds well, it's worth going for. Deep down, I really wanted that bass but it's definitely gone now. Maybe next time...
Rickenbackers have many pros and cons. In my experience, they look and sound cool but they are difficult to set up and maintain. Your Hagstrom sounds sweet.
New bass makes me think of Entwistle. Especially when you turned on some distortion!
Thank you! I grew up idolizing Entwistle, Butler and Burton in my early days with the bass...but there was an issue with that Hagstrom, so I returned it. I owe it to myself to get a Rickenbacker and see for myself how things turn out...
I'm gassing hard for a ric 4001 copy near me. I hear all the good and bad. Owned a rickenbacker 12 string and loved it even with all the tedious crap. Still glad I sold it though haha. KILLER HAGSTROM!
After all that I said, I still want a Ric. Those 12-string Rics sound amazing and I agree that they're worth the trouble! I actually got rid of the Hagstrom and have been looking to get a Ric 4003 sooner than later.
The gurgling devil sounds cool!!!
Maybe i missed something about the situation with the Rickenbacker toggle switch…that would’ve been a very inexpensive thing to fix.
Did Sam Ash just not want to fix it?
I love the brand, owned about a dozen or so since the mid-1970’s. Hope you find one you like someday!
Sam Ash claimed they couldn't fix it. I even asked them if they'd sell it to me as is for a special price but they said they had to fix with a toggle switch directly from Rickenbacker. I really hate that I let that bass go. It really was magical!
I have several realllllyyyyy nice basses but, I still only take my Ricky to gigs. I bought it new in 2012. Had it set up once about a year ago just because. Ricky's Rule!
I bought 2 of them in 2021, no toogle switch isssues and new upgraded bridges .
That Dave's World video is pure gold
Thought about a HarleyBenton ric o sound copy ? Doesn't sound much like a ric but you could upgrade the pickups..And a used one would be super cheap Love the Hagstrom tho.
I thought about it but if I can find another price remotely close to the one I could've had, I will just grab it.
@@progrockjock You rock prog rock jock.My bro loves his Ric.Low output pickups are it's sound imo I wouldn't touch em.My wish list is a stereo Ric or a modified HB with 3 outputs.Bootsy baby.
Dave's World of Fun Stuff is the reason why I hesitated on wanting a Rickenbacker for so many years, but I absolutely love mine and I'm so glad to have one. I still love watching his Rickenbacker videos, I've been watching him since way before his channel was even called "Dave's World of Fun Stuff." Most of his criticisms are true about Rickenbackers, but their quirks really aren't as bad as he makes them out to be. He doesn't hate them as much as he acts, it's just that he sort of became known as the "I hate Rickenbackers" guy and it's a fun and funny part of his commentary and schtick.
There are definitely some design characteristics of Rickenbacker basses that are just downright stupid and nonsensical, and maybe they're way overpriced considering all their goofy quirks, but they're definitely not the nightmare some people make them out to be. If you think they look cool, play nicely, and you like how they sound, then definitely don't be discouraged from grabbing one up if you find a really good deal on one! :)
I still want a Ric. I'm mad at myself for not grabbing that one. It was perfect even with the broken toggle switch. $1,500 is the deal I'm looking for and I know it's out there. I've already had a couple more of them get away.
I like Rickenbacker, but the price is biting, so I made my own (Headless bass with the character of Rickenbacker) Maple body Headless system Schaller electronics and Schaller and Dimarzio pickups (Greetings from Ukraine, my friend, Happy Holidays!) RESPECT FROM KIEV TO YOU!
Были у меня разные бас гитары, недавно купил Ric и влюбился в него! 👍
I was looking for a Viking a few weeks back. I even watched your video about it and I became convinced. After looking around online and making several inquiries I was told by several stores that they were no longer being imported into Australia. That was a mighty shame. I logged on to facebook and the first thing that came up was guy selling a Viking at half price of a new one. So I took a 2 hour drive to his town and I now have a Hagstrom Viking. When I got it home I had a closer look when and found it still had the protective plastic covering on it. It was 100% mint condition (black like yours too). I love it! And thanks for your video.
Wicked nice bass.
Those walnut ricks have a single truss rod, plus since 2021 new ricks also have a new adjustable bridge saddles
My walnut 4003 bass has two truss rods. It dates from 2015. Things may have changed since then, but the necks are still made from maple, like all the other Ric bass necks. What makes you think they have only one rod?
Rickenbacker 4003 was my dream bass. But could never afford it. When I met my Fiancee, she noticed the ESP I was gigging with and surprised me with one! I was psyched! I immediately realized issues with the bass that didn't work with my style. Pick-up cover had to go and although you can tap and slap on it. Not the best for it. Beautiful basses, but limited in certain capacities.
I agree with you. I've played a lot of different basses and there is just something about the tone and feel of the Ric that truly has me hooked. I had a change of heart and decided to start hunting for a 4003 again. I hope to get one soon...
@@progrockjock The biggest problem I found with the 4003 was when I removed the pick-up cover it was pointed and sharp at each end which would tear into my fingers. Cosmetics are easily configurable though, as opposed to technique issues. The bass is a beast otherwise. Rock on hermano! 🤘
Your choice, but I think it’s a mistake. My 2021 4003s is the best instrument I’ve owned. And they just sound so great. New bridges by Ric are great, and my other basses just can’t compete.
First bass i picked up was a Hagström Jazz from rhe '70s.
Nice but I’d take the Ric. Setup isn’t really an issue when you can have a luthier do it for a fairly modest fee.
I agree. I actually ended up dumping the Hagstrom and I've resumed my search for another Ric. The heart wants what the heart wants...
@@progrockjock I’m getting a Jetglo in the not too distant future.
@@progrockjock What went wrong with the Hagstrom? Did you make a video on what happemned?
@Shelton Chang I continued to have issues with the pickup selector dial. The were also issues with the fretwork, so I contacted GC, told them I liked the bass but was worried about these issues and they recommended that I return it. I really liked that Hagstrom Viking but I felt like it could've been better. I will post a video addressing what happened sooner than later.
@@progrockjock I was considering one after your video but am holding off for now.
The Hagstrom is a good call
!!! Greetings from Montréal, Québec, Canada !!! I am a FAN of The Beatles, Yes, Genesis When they were the original band) Pink Floyd, Manfred Mann and most of those band in time or an other they played a Rickenbacker bass. I bought mine in 1980 for $1000/Can !!! I have seen that video from DAVE'S and it crushed me !!! I do not play that much with it and have not had any issues with it, but still, seeing most the those bass players switch to another bass (Except Chris Squier) makes me think twice about that product...WHY is Rickenbacker not fixing that situation of the 'Double Truss Rod' ? IF most basses can be fixed with only one...why not that bass !?! But stilll...it is a DAMN GOOD LOOKING BASS and it reminds me of my debut in playing bass to the Beatles music !!! Cheers !!!
I was just talking to a friend about Manfred Mann the other day! Seriously, I think you're the second person in my life to ever bring that band up! So underrated!! I hear what you're saying about the Ric. That's what I'm looking for one again!
@@progrockjock Knowing what I know now and only playing for fun at home with friends....seeing all the new string instruments on the market for almost a 1/3 of ther price...I would now never pay more than $700/CAN for a Bass/Guitar. Firefly is making copies of Gibson 335 and sound so close to the original (from the people who do reviews of the instrument) SO WHY PAY THAT MUCH for home playing !?! I understand that string instruments need good quality pick-ups, pots and wiring, but to what cost !?! Cheers my good man !!!
Rickenbauker, Fender and Musicman are names from the past. For $2,000 you can build a complete music studio with big screen TV, get 5 Harley Bentons' and still have enough left over for a hooker....
find the cris squire video talking about rick coming to his house to measure his bass.. he says they didn't have a clue what they are doing 😅
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I've owned a lot of rickenbacker basses over the years. Some where garbage some where great. I have two now a 4003 and 4005 and their the best ones I have ever owned.
The next time I find another walnut one for a decent price, I'm grabbing it.
@progrockjock the newer 2023 modles are much easier to work on going to a single trust rod rather than a double. I just wish they would make the burgundy glow a permanent color as option
...I respect your opinion, but I've owned my Geddy Lee equipped (Badass bridge) Jetglo 4001 since 1980 and love the dam thing. I admit that Geddy, Rick James and Chris Squire initially steered me towards it, but it's now my #1. I also have USA Jazzes and PBasses. The RIC has never let me down. I wish I still had the RIC-O-SOUND stereo box! If I was in the same situation at the music store; I would've had to buy it. Plus the Viking is MADE IN CHINA....no thanks.
I owned a Rick for a week,I love the tone and the body styling but the neck was not to my liking,it didn’t “ marry” me,so it went to a new home a week later and bought a Sadowsky 5 .
Oh what a bass that is.
I've actually been interested in trying another Sadowsky bass. Glad to hear you're happy with yours! I only played one briefly a couple of years ago.
I find no reason to buy a new Ric bass... however if I find an old used Ric with a cool story and patina behind it, I'd soooo want it.
I know what you mean. I've had a lot of vintage gear pass through my hands over the years. I once had a bass that was rumored to belong to a musician who is well known amongst musicians around Atlanta. I caught up with him at a gig we were playing this past November and when I mentioned that 1983 P Bass, he asked, "do you still own it?"...I said, "no". We both laughed and he said, "well, now you know why I let it go"
You should have got the Rick, they sound and look great. The one you have looks like an old man’s guitar 😂
So funny, man. I actually returned the Hagstrom. Looking for a Rickenbacker, once again...
@@progrockjock Get one dude, you suit one. I have one they are beautiful 😎🎸👍🏻
Just thought I’d add after reading some of the replies you got, I also have a Fender Jazz Bass 60, I prefer my Rick. So don’t let anybody put you off with old news. The bridge has been been updated and is solid easy to adjust. Happy Hunting 😎👍🏻
I do like the sound of a Rick, but the prices are absurd, the body shape is also really not for me.
I ended up getting a 4003w but I got it for a price that I couldn't pass up. Mine has been a gem so far and the setup and innotation are perfect. The neck is a tad wider than I wanted but I love the profile.
I'm paying more money on a custom Rick copy just to make sure I don't waste 3k on something that may or may not work. I've always wanted them but sometimes the negatives seem to outweigh the positives, unfortunately.
My uncle bought a brand-new Ric in 1978 and he did not like it he felt ripped off but 12year later he liked it, he says it's like falling in love with a fat girl once you get into it its ok.
Try the Spector Bass
Absolutely!
Ric went to a single trussrod years ago. They replaced the piece of crap bridge with a better one in 2019.
Ricks are great. Don’t believe the haters. It all comes down to a matter of preference. Say what you will, but a rick can sound like any other bass, but any other bass cannot sound like a rick. BTW…Daves World of Fun Stuff…”the gooch” great channel.
I've yet to see anyone currently playing gigs with one.
Should of gotten the Ric....
Dave is hilarious cause he hates them and shits on them lol, But thats just his opinion.
I own 6 and love them
I agree with you. That was the Ric that got away. I have since resumed my search but have yet to play another one like that one.
Man there is so much misinformation about Rick’s on the internet. I absolutely love mine and its been 3 and half yrs with zero issues. Especially since Rickenbacker redesigned their bridge in 2020 and in 2023 they went single truss rod. Mine is a 2020 and the dual truss rods aren’t as big of a deal as people make them out to be just do your research. I’ve only had to adjust them once in 3 plus years and other than that it’s been string changes. With Rick maintenance I’ve learned the most from Dave’s world and Patrick Hunter. Dave’s world is only one person who had a bad experience 30 plus years ago and he’s yet to work on a 4000 with the new improvements. Plus a month ago he did a video and said he doesn’t hate Rick’s but strongly dislikes them lol. Get the newer single If the dual rods scare you that much or take it to a tech for a setup. There are pro and cons to both like anything else.
Thank you for your testimonial. This is one of those videos that I wanted to take back the day after I posted it. I know I can simply delete it but it plays a part in a story about my love for this bass and everybody likes a good story, right? Spoiler: I have had several deals fall through with Rickenbacker basses over the past year but I will be buying one (probably brand new) as soon as possible. Because of the recent Stingray purchase, I'm having to wait a little while before making another purchase of that price.
The Dave video is pretty iconic. He's wrong about nothing. I've owned a 4003 for 17 years and no bass has ever given me so much trouble. Absolutely the biggest pain ever. I love it mostly out of Stockholm syndrome I think. Because I do love it don't get me wrong. But I would never ever buy another one. I can hardly look at the thing without getting anxiety. It's become totally unplayable over time because the bridge fell apart and I had to put a Badass I on there, which is too high and can't be lowered down enough to get good action. That combined with the neck pulling forward and the truss rods not counteracting it enough has made it more firewood than musical instrument I'm afraid. And that's just one of its many episodes. Sensible people just buy a Fender or Music Man and are happy forever.
So nice to see a fellow Rick owner that's honest about their experience.
I see so many signing it's praises and I can't help but think they're trying to hide their mistake with a layer of cake icing.
@@TenFalconsMusic Nope. There are many who actually like their instruments. Then, of course, there are some who don't. At the end of the day, most of it is purely subjective. Honest.
4:52 that doesn't sound like NOFX
You really should have got the rickenbacker.
I agree with you and I'm back in the hunt. I can't believe I let that bass get away from me.
@@progrockjock I’ve made huge mistakes too, in my life letting things get away, kicked my self for years to come. Check the long and mcquade site often, they pop up out of the blue
Dunno I would trust a P bass to a 'luthier' that can't figure out a Ric....
Soooo… we got to celebrate somehow… the right way… a music video? Eh?
Indeed! It would look good on you. Photo shoot in order!
Having owned a 4001 and a 4003 my experience was:
Inconsistent build quality - awful bridge - garbage pickups - soft frets that roundwound strings chew for fun - ridiculous dual truss rod system - cheap chrome and plastic.
Even so, it's hard not to like them and I miss mine! Go figure. It's a form of madness.
Thank you for sharing your experience! You're right, there's definitely a form of madness that goes into a Rickenbacker. I actually changed my mind and tried to buy a total of 4 Rics since posting this video. They keep getting away from me and now, I just bought a new bass that was more expensive, which has me in the penalty box, probably for the rest of the year.
Nothing has improved on the Ric since I bought mine new in 1976. The bridge is a nightmare, and they don't care. It is unique, and not in a good way.
I think they survive off of the unique tone and look, I’ve heard mostly negative things since I started playing bass. Even some people who love them talk about the endless fiddling and repairs to get it right
What about the Hipshot replacement?
I tried the Rick, couldn't find anything I liked about it.
RickenBACKers are great basses, but they're a different animal from Fender-style instruments. That video by Dave's World of Fun Stuff is kind of funny and kind of true, but way too harsh. Ricks have their idiosyncrasies, but have a sound and style all their own.
RIC has corrected all (truss rods, tale piece/bridge, etc.) of the design and production problems you allude to. How, in this age of the internet, have you managed to be subject to so much outdated information. There are only three types of bass players likely to reply here: 1,) those who play multiple basses, primary amongst them Fenders, each only in keeping with their 'single' signature sound, in accordance with the legacy of their historic service, and may or may not want a RIC for its own 'singular' signature sound, and 2.) those who play (or want) ONLY Rickenbackers, because they sound great (are typically dialed in to sound other than Fenders), play really well (due to their shorter neck scale), look cool, and...despite being able to sound other than RICs, never undertake to explore the unique potential of this versatile bass to conjure a myriad of other tones (including, amongst them, a creditable P and J bass sound).
I am in a the third group: I use a brand new 4003 FOR EVERYTHING, having quite recently sold my Fenders. People keep asking me what I've done to my RIC to 'cause' it to sound so much like a vintage P or a J bass (because, in general, I don't set it to sound like a RIC, except on rare occasion of playing music contiguous with it for not caring for either that kind of music in general, or those RIC artists specifically), and the answer is...NOTHING! RICs have always had that ability, but RIC users are just not interested in it so it hasn't become part of the folklore. Its even more true of the new ones. I chose RIC simply because I don't want to bother with multiple instruments, or collect basses under the guise of vaunted musicianship. Its just easy to play and very versatile, where neither the P or J bass is sufficiently. Plus it can sound modern. Besides...its the only bass that can sound like a Rickenbacker. Now that's true versatility.
This is easily my most polarizing video. However, the majority of Ric owners have told me I made a wise decision to pass on the Ric featured in this video. In hindsight, I disagree. Like marriage, I feel like you have to experience certain other things for yourself. There was a bit of indecisiveness in the beginning, but ultimately, my heart desires the 4003 and I would prefer it be just like this one. Obviously, you're on "Team Ric", so I don't have to tell you why I love these basses so much without ever owning one. In several videos that followed this one, I retracted my words in this video and played other Rickenbacker basses, hoping to find another one like the one in this video. This obviously has yet to happen. Despite changing my mind, I won't delete this post because I believe it would question the integrity of this channel. Plus, when I finally do get a Ric, it will enhance this topic.
Chicken. Owning a Ric takes guts, if only because of the scare tactics haters use against them. I own an old 4001, and a new 4003. Love them both, and they feel and sound different. Dave’s World is a whining, lazy little girl who prefers collecting money to doing actual work on real instruments. Yes, they are persnickety, but you are rewarded with an iconic sound and great looks. Do it!
Ha - Touché!! I actually returned the Hagstrom and have had 2 potential Rickenbacker purchases fall through since posting this video. One of the sellers changed his mind 1 hour after posting his ad. Tragic! Hopefully, I'll find one soon...
@@progrockjock Why did you return the Hagstrom, and did you ever get a Ric?
@@timbo749 I was having issues with it, so GC advised me to return it since I had only had it less than a week before raising my concerns. Still looking for a Ric...
The ones who slam Rick basses are usually the ones who can't afford one.
😂...Well, I certainly won't be running out to buy one, just to prove how much money I have.
@@progrockjock Not all Ricks are equal. I own several and to me the ones that sound best are my older 4001's......Toaster pickup, checkerboard binding, finger rest, horseshoe pickup and lighter in weight.
I recognize how divisive this video has been since it's release but I've released more videos, which talk about how I still want a Ric. I personally think it's worth it to have one in my collection.
So let me get this straight, you played a bass and loved it then decided it was not for you based off of forums.....so you trust other people's opinions over what you actually experienced. I once bought a Fender P bass because everyone said they were amazing, fantastic value, etc. It lasted a little over 6 months and to this day is the worst bass I've ever owned, if you really like something and others don't it doesn't matter, equally if you really don't like something and others do it doesn't matter either. It's up to you to find what you like and works for you
Hey man, you make a great point and this is exactly why I went back into the hunt for a Ric. I have stood corrected and mentioned this in multiple videos that followed this one. I've experienced a couple of detours along the way, but the Ric is next on my list.
Amen brother! I fell into that trap, I sold my 1st Ric like an idiot, sold my second based off of Dave's extremely biased review, But I thought it was worth paying 2,300 bucks for a New 2023 4003s, everybody has an opinion, you got to go with what you like and makes you happy.
ricks get a bad rap, everyone says they are a nightmare to setup, play awful, sound shitty. I've been playing mine happily for 6-7 years with no issues. brilliant bass.
I would have bought the ric
Better investment by far.
But I understand when guys cannot set up their stuff and have to have someone else do it....still the Ric would have been just fine.
You can research your favorite ice cream online too and see how many people think it taste horrible btw.
Touché. I sincerely appreciate the feedback. There have been some recent developments. There may be another Rickenbacker video sooner than later ;-)
@@progrockjock my cousin bought one new in 1976....the stereo input version...and inlays with rosewood Fretboard
He had it for 40 years before he parted with it.
Man you can watch some UA-cam videos to figure out how to set up a bass and also even fix a switch....not saying your new bass isn't cool or nice and all....you just have to be patient and take your time on set ups
The Hagstrom is already gone. I had a couple of issues with it that just didn't sit well with me. I discussed it with the guys at Guitar Center over the phone and they suggested that I bring it back. I asked them about 2 basses when I brought it back. A non-sterling Stingray and a Rickenbacker. I honestly believe that I'm supposed to own a Rick. One of my heroes (Cliff Burton) was the reason I even started playing bass. I love everything about the Rick: The feel, the sound and the look. I already wasted money accumulating a couple of cheap instruments, such as that 6-string for example. Combines those with the Hagstrom and I would already own a Rickenbacker by now. With that said, I fortunately returned the Viking and will sell off the 6-string to prepare me for the next move...
@@progrockjock I had a USA sterling 4H for several years m it is a good bass....however..I play a USA Fender Jazz Deluxe now and sold off my others....It is an old live affair from when I was a kid on the Jazz basses.
However...man...I am a tech and repair guy.
If you do wind up with the Ric
...and you need any advice...hit me up on how to fix an issue if you need it done
@@timhenderson2643 I really appreciate the offer! I may very well take you up on it. I have played a few Fender JBs over the years. Even borrowed an early 70s Jazz for several months. I think they're great! The same musician who loaned me that old Jazz Bass put 4 Fender Precision Basses in my hands, a 1968, 1983, 1967 and 1966. I decided to stick with the 1966. Once I made that decision, I had 9 electric basses. I felt like it was too many, so I parted with the other 3 P basses, as well as a pair of matching Ash Stingrays (one fretless). I wish I had kept the matching Stingrays. I haven't seen one of those ash fretless models since.
I have a walnut Rickenbacker 4003, just like the one you didn't buy.
It's turned out to be a perfect example of 'never meet your heroes'.
The build quality isn't great or even good. It shouldn't have left the factory with a fat run of glue squeezed out of the neck/wing joint on the back. It has not one but three breakages to fretboard inlays, one of which is a big crack, two of which are broken off corners that have been inexpertly not-quite-filled, so the factory clearly knew the inlay was damaged. The filler is creamy white and doesn't match the pearly inlay material, so the factory did a scruffy job. It also has scratches across the fretboard where (presumably) someone polished up the frets without even trying to protect the surface - again from new, again from the factory.
On certain notes there is some random buzzing from inside the main cavity (or it might be a truss rod). The toggle switch design is awful - under the scratch plate there are just springy contacts that the back end of the switch tries to push together - frequently resulting in scratchy/buzzy sound. I've got it apart and cleaned the contacts twice but frankly removing the scratch plate while taking massive precautions not to scratch the front of the body gets old fast.
It's well documented how awful the design of the bridge is (thought to be fair Rickenbacker have sprung into action and radically improved it after only about 40 years). My bridge came assembled with the two higher pitched strings' saddles oriented the same as the lower strings - such that it wasn't possible to set the intonation without physically taking it apart and rotating the saddles myself. Which then slightly altered the string spacing...
I find it's very susceptible to changes in humidity (maybe the satin/oil finish allows moisture to enter and leave the wood more than a very glossy lacquered finish, so to be the majority may not suffer from this). It can play great one week only to be a royal pain a week later.
When it's good, it's great - but you just never know what you're going to get. When I have a moment to play bass, I find myself picking up my half-the-price-but-twice-as-good MIM Geddy Lee Jazz bass. All I -had to do- _did_ on that was improve the pickups by fitting Fender Custom Shop 60s and it went from an already very good to a really superb bass.
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Mine was a complete PoS too.
Ricks are not for me... legendary sure worth the $ absolutely not.
It's hilarious that most people that "play"bass don't have the most basic and fundamental idea on how to adjust,tighten set up their instruments.
I know pro players that have been playing 30 plus years and all they know how to do is change the strings.lol.So cringe. Let me add they're not even good players so wtf have they been doing all this time??
You should be able to setup your instrument with no one's help including those toggle switches and all moving parts on the instrument.
It's hilarious that most people who come on here talking trash don't have any content to back it up. Sure, every musician should know how to handle the basic maintenance of the instrument they play, which I certainly know how to do. However, that doesn't mean that I know more than the guy who sets up instruments all day long.
You said yourself you liked the bass upon first impression. Then you let people on the Internet change your mind about something. You missed out
As I mentioned, I actually passed on this particular Rick because the toggle switch was broken. If it weren't for that, I totally would've purchased that bass. By the way, I am looking for another Rickenbacker. Hopefully, the next one will be just as good as the one I fell in love with.
@@progrockjock I own a 4003s currently. Although not my #1, I truly love it. They are great despite what Davey has to say(I still love his Ric 4001 story)
Rickie's are just ugly in general,.......they sound so nasally and they are a nightmare to work on plus they are ridiculously expensive.
I agree with your thoughts on the cost and the maintenance issues. It's amazing how polarizing the 4003 has been amongst musicians since its inception!
Lemmy plays a Ric and as we all know Lemmy is god!🎸🤯🔫
So true - Lemmy was awesome!! Spoiler: I have resumed my search for another Ric. Video coming soon...
My god most of the people who post negative comments about Ric 4003's have never owned or played one.
This is probably true. For what it's worth, I've decided to see for myself what the Ric 4003 is all about. Yes, I'm very indecisive. I'm trying to work on that. I really screwed up by not buying the one I played on this channel. I almost picked up a Fireglo 3 weeks ago and just last week, I backed out of a Jetglo. I really want the Walnut finish, so I'm holding out for that. Hopefully, I'll have get one soon.