The thing I love most about your videos is how they start instantly as if you were already talking and stop perfectly after your last sentence. No bullshit.
I always type INFJ on most MBTI tests. Once in a blue moon I’ll type INFP. But the INFJ just never felt right, it felt off. So I did my research and learned about jumpers and realized I’m an INTJ with a strong Fi. I never related to Fe. I always cared more about myself and my feelings above others. But I love discussing thoughts and ideas and things I’ve learned with people. I’ve always kept my emotions to myself, at least the vulnerable ones, because I thought of showing them to others as weakness and would leave me open to attack. I always identified with Ni and my Se has always been very hard for me. I really appreciate all of Dave and Shan’s work and research for helping me find clarity on something ther has always confounded me in the back of my mind.
Same! I've been taking the MBTI test quarterly for 2 years now and it always switches between INFJ and INTJ, but same as you, INFJ never reallh felt right to me, compared to INTJ.
I never thought I would find a comment like this lol. This happened to me too! at one point I even thought I was an INFP because of my strong Fi and it took me a lot of time and research to finally come to a conclusion. It´s nice to find people that went through the same and can understand this kind of "struggle" of trying to find your personality type but finding little to no information of an INTJ with strong Fi
Same here. I always get INFJ, but it doesn't feel quite as relatable as INTJ. Here's something I read once though: those tests include a scale that pushes you toward the more rare type. So since INFJ is slightly less common, when you're right on the line, you will be typed as an INFJ.
Yes! INFJ asks the tribe what they FEEL (value) about their personal REASONS. If the tribe don't feel like it, the INFJ runs off. INTJ asks the tribe what they THINK (reasons) about their personal VALUES. -11- Amazing vid thanks!
I've looked up sooo many videos trying to find an easily explainable difference but they all make it so complicated. The chart you have at the end of this is just what I've been needing for ages now. Thanks.
After you breaking it down I was able to figure out I'm xNTJ: 1. I've always been really good with abstract thinking and visualization, from my earliest memories I've always been able to visualize and understand new concepts incredibly easily. 2. I respected the adults in my life who taught me new things, who explained how the world works and gave me new techniques to use for navigating it, and rebelled against the ones who tried to tell me who I am and what I should believe (morally). 3. I was really clumsy and unathletic, but as I got older I just kept getting better at controlling my body and filtering out useless sensory information, and as an adult I've actually become pretty athletic and graceful. 4. I'm still fairly childish in my beliefs, and I tend to solve problems by dealing in absolutes. Basically if there's a way of doing things that has a good chance of solving the problem FOREVER, I'll opt for that solution. I'm not very good at managing people for that reason.
Even if you have a problem with the decider functions, the observer functions are completely different. You might just need to spend some more time on it.
I learn something new. Infj do things like helping the tribe because it is the right thing or logical to do (TI) while intj do things because they personally like it FI.
Nice tribal approach. But I don't think that will cut it for all the INxJs of this world. As you said, Fi and Ti can get confused with each other, until you observe very closely for a long time. Since the Fe user bases his/her assessment of him/herself on the feedback received from others, he/she is likely to confuse his/her Ti ideation of logical systems with Fi framework of values. Similarly, the Te-user will be driven to act more in accordance with Fe social constructs in order to become more effective/efficient at organising others to achieve Te-goals. From there, it really is a question of them people deciding whether they are "mimicking" a function or REALLY "experiencing" it as their secondary. Bottom line is: don't bother typing yourself when you are past your mid-20s. That's when your tertiary will team up with the opposite function of your secondary to give you occasional reality kicks...
at first i was gonna jump in and be all angry and pseudo intellectual on how you're generalizing but you know what? you're fucking right. it's so easy to argue morals and make something look good or bad, and Te's are so good at it. IF you want to reasson with them, i suggest attacking the basis of what you believe are flawed values; specific facts are the specialty of Te's, but the base of their thinking? that requires checking on so much that they'll be pretty much forced to listen to their ignored P functions, which are actually open minded or just leave them be and refuse to engage in debate. they hate that shit so much :v
+Music Mayhem Your post is full of Fi...then carries along with Te to justify Fi's kicks. I personally don't care for other people's Fi or Fe: only my N and T matter. But still, for people to take such a big leap re-asserting "Te can do whatever Ti can do"...I can't let just let that slip. It's a pretty blurry stand to go by, ignoring that Ne-Ti-Fe and Ni-Te-Fi have all got different purposes and motivations. I agree with you on seeing no point in arguing who has the better set of functions, or who can undo the whole Humanity and rebuild it again. The point is KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING how your cognitive functions differ from that of other users so that you can roop them in when you need isht you don't understand done. For some INxJs, that is a tough exploratory trip to carry forward, because they are all so driven to lock the facts in when the facts don't always fit nice and smooth in their flawed menturbations...
+Music M It seems to me that there is a difference between asserting "Te can do whatever Ti can do" and "Te-Fi is equally as tribe-focused/unselfish". A lot of linguistic subtleties here that get swept under the carpet. You seem to pass both as equivalent because its convenient for your narrative, which is something Fi does a lot in Te argumentation = precisely the point of the erijon3... I'm not even going to go on about the "correctly organised model of MBTI", whatever that means...
+ MM Sure. I see you are the messiah of MBTI-correctness brought onto this channel to save us all decadent blabbermouths... sorry I'm bored already. :)
@@mnbvcx6421 hello) from your comment I have an impression that you know your way around this subject. Could you help me? I'm really stuck between INFJ and INTJ. And I know maybe it's stupid if me, but it's driving me crazy. I just want to know exactly what type I am. And I've been listening to Dave, and reading about the functions. But I still can't pinpoint whether I am Te or Fe. My mom tells me as a kid I never cried and I never asked for anything. And I remember just thinking "we are poor, there no money so I can't burden my mom" and basically maybe I just never wanted anything? I don't know. And my sister has never had any problems with asking for things. And I do enjoy helping people (it's like a drug. I'm a teacher and I sometimes spend hours talking to my students when they're feeling down. And I enjoy it, I feel useful, needed, good. ), but before I got into all this mess with trying to type myself, I thought I just relate to people and like being misunderstood or not valued enough or looked down upon. And I was like Fi... And then I thought "no, definitely Tribe above self" no matter how painful it is to admit it. Because I value my identity. I don't like being told what I feel or think. Actually, I hate being told that, especially when people guess wrong. But Te or Fe? I just can't really understand the difference. My head is about to blow up hahha sorry if I'm bothering you) feel free to ignore me)
Every time I watch a video i get confused over my type even more 😂😂😂 I've been thinking I'm an INFP for years, but I started doubting it since I started watching your videos. Honestly I don't care as much, but at least I would like to know what functions are strong in me and what are not. Thus, helping me to organise my life more.
Omg same. I overthink about this to the point if I am an INFP because of the Fi-Te axis. But my identity or values are not as strong that they come naturally(as in Fi doms)😂
Now i understand why i always have the "live for others" way of thinking but at the same time where people make fun of me for that, i'm also "f*** everyone i'm out!" and back to my own world.
Yep, I was mistyping myself as ENTP when I'm really an INFJ (as you've noted, that tends to happen) but when I was a teenager and took the Myers-Briggs test, I tested as INTJ consistently. Nope, wrong axis. I was right about being an intuitive-dominant type with the Fe/Ti axis, but didn't think I'd be an "F" type because of my strong Ti. This theory of typology is much better. It took a long time and a lot of feedback, but I've finally discovered I'm an INFJ who just happens to be very cerebral and a bit more (but not much more) socially extroverted.
What you say is true. (Duh) I'm a logical INFJ with Tribe/over self mentality. So much that before I learned about the functions, I thought MAYBE I was an INTJ. My mom is an emotional INTJ.
Nice video. Really like the look of your guys site, seems like you cleaned it up a little. If people are serious about MBTI and personality, they should be looking to expand beyond the 16 types to the 64 types as mentioned on your site. MBTI is really limited and your teachings in the course is helping go beyond that scope.
yeah, to figure out my middle functions i just watched my INFP friend screw over the tribe and focus so much on his Fi, it was hilarious, he never noticed he was doing this but it always happens, i also watched my ENFJ friend who just screws herself over all the time because she helps so many other people.
A classic ENTP friend and myself were at dinner with an INFJ. We were all laughing and arguing about some stupid outdated political stuff. At one point, the INFJ got very upset and stormed off... and called us mean. She had been happy one minute and then something just really triggered her and she felt hurt. I couldn't understand it until recently, but I think she was trying to get buy in on her Ti with her Fe and she got the very aggressive ENTP debater, which made her feel personally attacked. For the ENTP, ideas are play things to be noodled with. For the INFJ, her ideas were deeply personal. Fascinating!
The INTJ vs INFJ "left the void for themselves" agree . This is the INFJ clearly .Speaking the void there is no void for INTJ . There is no void for INFJ . they immediately fill it . Its about timing . The time in interaction with the other . INFJ has Fe to go out . I am here an expect any response here in this posts are going to give clarity about feelings . INTJ goes out with Te. Then you go meet Jung . He speaks about nature of Thinking vs Feelings . Its not the same reason, not the same need , not the same condition . Connecting INTJ with INFJ here because of nature of Thinking doing different actions to compared nature of Feeling INTJ and INFJ are now disconnected .
one of distinguishes : INTJ is thinker . Meanins his space in Mind has lot thoughts that are going to be there . The projection is going to be seen in thoughts . INTJ can be seen sidetracked . INFJ is same but not the thoughts . Feelings come up there .
I saw a UA-cam video that had a link to a test that measured MBTI, The Big 5, and the Dark Triad in one go. It wasn't great. But it made me think of the possibilities. I think it might offer a greater degree of measurement. If you've been able to refine your approach to MBTI this well, those other aspects might give you a massive boost in your methodology and understanding people. Not sure if you'd be interested, but I figured it can't hurt to share.
You should look at Socionics description about Fi. It's about individual relation, one on one. Rather than Fe generalized approach, which is applicable to everyone, more focused on emotional impact and expression. I think you can still expand on your definition of the functions.
you use the Fe Fi focus to focus on INFJ vs INTJ . You can write down Dave what each cognitive function looks like as universal sheet . Then you will get to be seen for what you understand as TRIBE above SELF or SELF over TRIBE . The videos feels pressured compressed as lot of speaking .There is a pause function :)
Hey! I have been loving the videos. I am starting to be able to see these in other people a bit more. But I know you have mentioned how it is much harder to determine yourself. I struggle telling which i struggle with more, my identity, or how much I care about the tribe. Because I say i care about both, I don't know how to tell what my own demons are. (I personally find myself somewhere in either ENFP or INFP, but could be completely off idk) So the question is how would you suggest to go about either trying to more accurately see these things in yourself un-biasedly, or how do you get other people to find out for you if they don't know any of this psychology?
In my understanding: Dave takes the approach of brightest light, darkest shadow. IF you are Ne-dom, your biggest shadow/demon would be Si (organizing). If Fi, u'll have -> Te (demon) or detest listening/sharing to other people logic. 1) To stay object, you can ask other people who have spent a lot of time with you about ur flaws. The more, the better sample. 2) Make a checklist of the biggest/recurring problems in your life. Is it more problems in observation (Missing Si)? Or between yourself and people (self/tribe) Ref: watched 80% of Dave's class videos. Highly recommended.
These ideas are really interesting. But from my observations, Ni-doms are too focused on big goals and far-reaching implications instead of acting on a specific event, so for example an INFJ might not "throw themselves of the bus" but rather creates a big plan (which could later fail or succeed) in order to reach a level of harmony within the community (because they're too focused on seeing the problem as a bigger picture instead of seeing each problem as an isolated case). I feel like INFJs would spend their time to help others on a case-by-case only those who are easily within reach, ENFJs and XSFJs are maybe those who go out of their way to do that for every time someone needs help. And also an INFJ "each time he could take a road, he errs on the side of fucking everyone else over (just a little bit)" could still mean that he is screwing everyone else for a bigger goal. I think it's a bit difficult to reach conclusions based on some superficial observation, especially on people who are very reserved and long-term-minded.
Dave, your videos are PHENOMENAL! But I'm tired of waiting for an ENFP video about our fears. You keep jumping around to different types. You gave us 1 video - yes only one - about motivation. I appreciate that. BUT can you talk about the fears of ENFPs. I 100% struggle with organisation but what's this fear of control you mention in other videos? I don't sit around thinking about how to break rules. Could you elaborate on that, please? THANK YOU! P.S You might notice my name is INFJ. Yeah, I took shitty tests and got the wrong results a bunch of times lol.
All infj are melancholy dominant and sanguine second. Phlegmatic and choleric can take either third or fourth positions depending on which subtype All intj are melancholy dominant and phlegmatic secondary . sanguine and choleric can take third or fourth depending on which subtype they are Intj. ( One of the double introvert dominant, the other the infp) The infj with sanguine extrovert as secondary is considered the most extroverted dominant introvert (melancholy)
How can you objectively determine which is dominant for someone with alot of responsibilities in their life. I have three stepkids and a 4th child. I have to put the tribes needs before mine. However in other contexts, I don't. Take my username. I dont care if it's offensive to the religous it really doesnt influence me that others find it offensive
I have some questions about tribe versus self. Is the tribe always right? As for EJs being tribe over self, EJs are leaders, so they are telling the tribe what to do. Wouldn't that mean that for EJs the tribe and themselves are actually the same, and that the tribe is doing what they what to do? So EJs are not selfless.
Yes, more resolution is good, but also complicates it beyond control in my view. For example an INFJ with strong Ti and weak Fe vs a regular INTJ. I get that we can say "who is the more efficient one" but this is really a bit too complicated to actually be provable and repeatable given this is all subjectively done (no machines or algorithms..)
I’ve always thought I was an ENTP, because I’m logical and have a natural apprehension of tribe mentality. Though I’m very cordial. My identity stems strongly from my Ti. That I’m sure of. Further, I’m really confused, I actually see comfort in protocol, routine, and I like daily todo list. Also, I’m always at my lowest when I’m loosing control (business doesn’t go as plan; I feel stuck). Which makes me think I’m INFJ. I’m skeptical because I’m male, and INFJ males are so rare. Can you do a vid on not only how their “demons” differ, but further, how does their leads Ne and Ni manifest in everyday behavior? This last question throws me off, both lead functions are abstract so is hard to pinpoint for me. Thanks
If sensation is our sensory awareness of an environment (internal or external), then intuition is our conceptual awareness of ideas (internal or external). The difference between Ni and Ne as I see it is: Ni is much more fixated on paring down and trying to fit all ideas into one coherent perception of the actual idea. This means an Ni user can spend a whole lot of time thinking about one idea without thinking to gather other data when it may in fact be helpful to do so. Ne is not like that. Ne is very willing to leave one idea to jump over to another related idea, and in the process of repeatedly doing this, create a whole web of connected ideas. They could spend all day long doing this, but it may not be super fulfilling (and this next part is conjecture) as there might be a tingling need to relate all of these ideas to past experiences, use them to build routines possibly. There is a desire to organize the continually expanding web of ideas, however small that desire is.
surmoi, my Ti is weaker than my intuition. That has always been clear to me. I only stated that Ti is a big part of my identity because it is my internal reasoning in which I make sense of both my morals and the world at large, however, I definitely lead with my intuition; in fact, I often use Ti to make sense of my conclusions or whims-both as a introspective and retrospective tool-only after the fact of a “gut feeling.” The fact is, I have a hard time figuring out my intuition type. I have no huge quarrels with rules, and tribe identity isn’t something I feel I’m lacking so I think Ni fits the bill more. I’m also not confrontational and prefer a conversation over an argument as a way of making way through a disagreement
@@denismonterodiaz476 I agree with you, Denis. I'm going through the same struggle. I’m "at my lowest when I’m losing control (business doesn’t go as plan; I feel stuck)" ONLY when ONE plan not working disrupts my OTHER plans, like a ripple/snowball effect. Otherwise, I am able to adapt very well to pretty much any circumstance. However, I hate routine, but love novelty, creativity and innovation. In other words, I don't mind change. I also have To-Do lists, but have trouble completing them if they don't align with my long-term goals and if they are mundane or repetitive tasks, like organizing my bedroom.
So I'm infj and hubby is intj....sometimes I'm Ni Ti and most times I'm Ni Fe 95% of the time. Hes Ni Te 95% but sometimes Ni Fi. It comes to really narrow areas or beliefs in our lives.
All I know is this - collectivism is for chumps. Not surprisingly, Ayn Rand was an INTJ. Btw, I know you know this, but I feel compelled to mention it - Se isn't just a fact-gatherer. It's also the reason why a lot of us INXJs develop food addictions as a coping mechanism. Some call it a "demon." I prefer to think of it as a "clown." Did you ever see Killer Klowns from Outer Space?
Aside from explaining the cognitive functions (which is good by the way) you do have to consider some stereotypes when it comes to INXJs. INFJs (such as myself) are typically more interested in understanding people and how they think, while INTJs are typically more interested in understanding systems, such as with computers or whatever. Those are the typical differences you find. Love your channel by the way. You've explained MBTI better than a lot of people on UA-cam.
16 Personality test has 40% accuracy and has a major bias towards typing people as Intuitives. It will do such things as type ENTPs and ESTJs as INTJs (this is anecdotal testimony) which is wild. If you haven't cross-referenced your results in several separate cognitive-function-based tests you probably aren't an INTJ tbh Lol.
@@maddiesiegmund5623 I know this is an old thread but i was about to type this. 16 personalities isn't even based on mbti. It's based on big 5. It's written on their website. Try sakinorva test.. That's the only one that seems almost accurate. Best way is to understand and observe yourself but that is a tough route.
*Tell me what mbti personality type is this...* Te (Extroverted Thinking) (100%) your valuation of / adherence to logic of external systems / hierarchies / methods Ti (Introverted Thinking) (85%) your valuation of / adherence to your own internally devised logic/rational Ne (Extroverted Intuition) (80%) your valuation of / tendency towards free association and creating with external stimuli Ni (Introverted Intuition) (95%) your valuation of / tendency towards internal/original free association and creativity Se (Extroverted Sensing) (30%) your valuation of / tendency to fully experience the world unfiltered, in the moment Si (Introverted Sensing) (100%) your valuation of / focus on internal sensations and reliving past moments Fe (Extroverted Feeling) (80%) your valuation of / adherence to external morals, ethics, traditions, customs, groups Fi (Introverted Feeling) (90%) your valuation of / adherence to the sanctity of your own feelings / ideals / sentiment ---------------- based on your results your type is likely - unclear
Ok how does "tribe validation" equals "loving another human beeing"... I have a problem becouse i generally hate people AS a collective yet when i do find people that are special to me i can do almost anything to please them. I focus on their emotions when im near them and go to my emotions only when they hurt me emotionally or when im alone. I do not need alone time at all. Main question is "what if infj decide to reject tribe validation at all cause he view tribe AS corrupted"
Maybe it depends on what you consider the tribe to be, how large. Because I agree that I don't fit with that, if the tribe is humanity as a whole, and I could not give any fewer fucks about what they think of me. Then I considered my tribe is probably my tiny group of friends, and this is where I start to care and make sacrifices. And if a person is particularly special to me, heaven help me and my personal boundaries.
as and INFJ I see INTJs as pushy bosses who do not understand harmony and do not have access to other's feelings and think they know the whole story about everything, cannot take care of a single plant in their bedrooms, walk faster, are not patient, and have no tolerance for others mistakes (in contrary to ENTP) . Of course there are positive sides to their personality but it's much easier to see the difference in the negative aspects.
Like Fab Sub said, your description relates more to an INTJ with a very strong Te. I, as an INTJ, also tend to walk faster, used to be impatient and used to be a know-it-all. But that was before I had developed my Introverted Feeling (being an elementary school teacher really helps with developing Fi). So, as an INTJ, with a well-developed Fi, I do understand harmony and strive to make others feel comfortable and welcomed around me. I no longer think I'm a know-it-all and am a lot more open-minded (developed Ni and Fi) and love hearing others' opinions, thoughts, values and perspectives. I am currently taking care of a plant in my bedroom. I still tend to walk fast when I'm walking alone, but slow down when I am chatting and walking with others. I am very patient and tolerant, especially around kids and the elderly (those whom others may find difficult to be around).
4:10 what if i like my Fi becouse it is logical ? What if i dont like alone time yet i like myself cause i worked on myself so my Fi Tells me that im worthy ? So many questions
ok so if your values, morals and those core beliefs of yours are based on rational objective things while being able to understand others peoples emotions and your own very well you are aaan...???? infj?
Your work is really bad honestly you don't know what your are talking about. Many ENTJ have strong Te and they may be like a "dictator" so WTH when you are saying that Te can prioritizes tribe reasons ? 4:55 And there are many other blunders on your videos....
So, A logical INFJ and an emotional INTJ. It's getting tough man
Basically both in that case
@Nick Gurr No, you are not INTJ
@Nick Gurr ISFP if anything close...
or INFP
bcs tHiNkeRs CaNt Be EmOtIonAL
The thing I love most about your videos is how they start instantly as if you were already talking and stop perfectly after your last sentence. No bullshit.
I always type INFJ on most MBTI tests. Once in a blue moon I’ll type INFP. But the INFJ just never felt right, it felt off. So I did my research and learned about jumpers and realized I’m an INTJ with a strong Fi. I never related to Fe. I always cared more about myself and my feelings above others. But I love discussing thoughts and ideas and things I’ve learned with people. I’ve always kept my emotions to myself, at least the vulnerable ones, because I thought of showing them to others as weakness and would leave me open to attack. I always identified with Ni and my Se has always been very hard for me. I really appreciate all of Dave and Shan’s work and research for helping me find clarity on something ther has always confounded me in the back of my mind.
Same! I've been taking the MBTI test quarterly for 2 years now and it always switches between INFJ and INTJ, but same as you, INFJ never reallh felt right to me, compared to INTJ.
I never thought I would find a comment like this lol. This happened to me too! at one point I even thought I was an INFP because of my strong Fi and it took me a lot of time and research to finally come to a conclusion. It´s nice to find people that went through the same and can understand this kind of "struggle" of trying to find your personality type but finding little to no information of an INTJ with strong Fi
I'm the opposite of y'all. I'm an INFJ with fat Ti and I mistyped as INTJ but later discovered that was wrong.
Same here. I always get INFJ, but it doesn't feel quite as relatable as INTJ. Here's something I read once though: those tests include a scale that pushes you toward the more rare type. So since INFJ is slightly less common, when you're right on the line, you will be typed as an INFJ.
@@lolahayes7091 The tests also suck
As an intj 90% of the time I wish I could survive without a tribe tbh
u can if ur willing to learn how
@@nirgunawish And this is why this world is cursed. Fleeting moments of trust and understanding are not worth the pain of betrayal and dependance.
Im gonna be stupid and say, r u sure ur intj?
@@actazrath5878 I’m an intj but also have adhd so I’m always falling apart lmao
Oh, intj with adhd. Rare
Yes!
INFJ asks the tribe what they FEEL (value) about their personal REASONS. If the tribe don't feel like it, the INFJ runs off.
INTJ asks the tribe what they THINK (reasons) about their personal VALUES. -11-
Amazing vid thanks!
thats an amazing and concise way of saying it. nice work
That helps
@Patrick Schmalstig that's te
Then I'm an INTJ.
@@nguyendat4643 "Curiosity as to if something would be possible" sounds a lot like Ne+Ti to me.
It's cool that you're explaining all of this but, can you dance?
Almost as well as he runs.
;)
Ohh. No, my fi doesn't express dancing.
@@enjerth78 My Fi makes me super bad at dancing...but playing Dance Dance Revolution, on the other hand, oh yeah!
@@CaveyMoth DDR is almost as easy as playing minesweeper!
4:21 I lol'd. This is why I subbed this channel. I wish all teaching videos were this concise and no BS. Your Te is showing Dave!
I had to replay like 3 times cause I kept lol'ing as well
I’m an infj married to an INTJ. You nailed it: this totally sums up our differences!
How is the relationship going? Can you elaborate on some aspects
@@LittleMew133 I’m assuming it’s a pretty rough marriage. Infjs and intjs have the 5th lowest compatibility with each other
I've looked up sooo many videos trying to find an easily explainable difference but they all make it so complicated. The chart you have at the end of this is just what I've been needing for ages now. Thanks.
After you breaking it down I was able to figure out I'm xNTJ:
1. I've always been really good with abstract thinking and visualization, from my earliest memories I've always been able to visualize and understand new concepts incredibly easily.
2. I respected the adults in my life who taught me new things, who explained how the world works and gave me new techniques to use for navigating it, and rebelled against the ones who tried to tell me who I am and what I should believe (morally).
3. I was really clumsy and unathletic, but as I got older I just kept getting better at controlling my body and filtering out useless sensory information, and as an adult I've actually become pretty athletic and graceful.
4. I'm still fairly childish in my beliefs, and I tend to solve problems by dealing in absolutes. Basically if there's a way of doing things that has a good chance of solving the problem FOREVER, I'll opt for that solution. I'm not very good at managing people for that reason.
Glad to have subscribed a year ago .. you're back stronger
I can type people no problem but can't type myself, tis is so fkin annoying
was looking forward to this one. thank you!
Really needed this in more ways than one. Thank ya!
I'm begging you to do an ENTP vs. INFJ. The same decider functions really trip me up.
Even if you have a problem with the decider functions, the observer functions are completely different. You might just need to spend some more time on it.
Interesting you brought those two up. Jordan Peterson was once typed as INFJ and now ENTP.
I'm intp but I think I'm a infj with savior ni-ti
@Nick Gurr yes I'm stuck between those 2
I learn something new. Infj do things like helping the tribe because it is the right thing or logical to do (TI) while intj do things because they personally like it FI.
I didn't wait for that to get that INTJs do something just because they feel like it 😂.
- INFJ
Nice tribal approach. But I don't think that will cut it for all the INxJs of this world.
As you said, Fi and Ti can get confused with each other, until you observe very closely for a long time.
Since the Fe user bases his/her assessment of him/herself on the feedback received from others, he/she is likely to confuse his/her Ti ideation of logical systems with Fi framework of values. Similarly, the Te-user will be driven to act more in accordance with Fe social constructs in order to become more effective/efficient at organising others to achieve Te-goals.
From there, it really is a question of them people deciding whether they are "mimicking" a function or REALLY "experiencing" it as their secondary.
Bottom line is: don't bother typing yourself when you are past your mid-20s. That's when your tertiary will team up with the opposite function of your secondary to give you occasional reality kicks...
at first i was gonna jump in and be all angry and pseudo intellectual on how you're generalizing but you know what? you're fucking right. it's so easy to argue morals and make something look good or bad, and Te's are so good at it. IF you want to reasson with them, i suggest attacking the basis of what you believe are flawed values; specific facts are the specialty of Te's, but the base of their thinking? that requires checking on so much that they'll be pretty much forced to listen to their ignored P functions, which are actually open minded
or just leave them be and refuse to engage in debate. they hate that shit so much :v
+Music Mayhem Your post is full of Fi...then carries along with Te to justify Fi's kicks.
I personally don't care for other people's Fi or Fe: only my N and T matter. But still, for people to take such a big leap re-asserting "Te can do whatever Ti can do"...I can't let just let that slip. It's a pretty blurry stand to go by, ignoring that Ne-Ti-Fe and Ni-Te-Fi have all got different purposes and motivations.
I agree with you on seeing no point in arguing who has the better set of functions, or who can undo the whole Humanity and rebuild it again. The point is KNOWING and UNDERSTANDING how your cognitive functions differ from that of other users so that you can roop them in when you need isht you don't understand done.
For some INxJs, that is a tough exploratory trip to carry forward, because they are all so driven to lock the facts in when the facts don't always fit nice and smooth in their flawed menturbations...
+Music M It seems to me that there is a difference between asserting "Te can do whatever Ti can do" and "Te-Fi is equally as tribe-focused/unselfish". A lot of linguistic subtleties here that get swept under the carpet.
You seem to pass both as equivalent because its convenient for your narrative, which is something Fi does a lot in Te argumentation = precisely the point of the erijon3...
I'm not even going to go on about the "correctly organised model of MBTI", whatever that means...
+ MM Sure. I see you are the messiah of MBTI-correctness brought onto this channel to save us all decadent blabbermouths... sorry I'm bored already. :)
@@mnbvcx6421 hello) from your comment I have an impression that you know your way around this subject. Could you help me? I'm really stuck between INFJ and INTJ. And I know maybe it's stupid if me, but it's driving me crazy. I just want to know exactly what type I am. And I've been listening to Dave, and reading about the functions. But I still can't pinpoint whether I am Te or Fe. My mom tells me as a kid I never cried and I never asked for anything. And I remember just thinking "we are poor, there no money so I can't burden my mom" and basically maybe I just never wanted anything? I don't know. And my sister has never had any problems with asking for things. And I do enjoy helping people (it's like a drug. I'm a teacher and I sometimes spend hours talking to my students when they're feeling down. And I enjoy it, I feel useful, needed, good. ), but before I got into all this mess with trying to type myself, I thought I just relate to people and like being misunderstood or not valued enough or looked down upon. And I was like Fi... And then I thought "no, definitely Tribe above self" no matter how painful it is to admit it. Because I value my identity. I don't like being told what I feel or think. Actually, I hate being told that, especially when people guess wrong. But Te or Fe? I just can't really understand the difference. My head is about to blow up hahha sorry if I'm bothering you) feel free to ignore me)
Self over Tribe for sure. I think I can finally settle on Ni/Fi Jumper. Ive been going back and forth for a long time. This is brilliant.
I love the way you use your words
You are teaching us to be really astute detectives about all this material. So damn important!
omg 4:15 i laughed so hard I've never related to anything so much. Incredible stuff keep up the good work!
Every time I watch a video i get confused over my type even more 😂😂😂
I've been thinking I'm an INFP for years, but I started doubting it since I started watching your videos. Honestly I don't care as much, but at least I would like to know what functions are strong in me and what are not. Thus, helping me to organise my life more.
Omg same. I overthink about this to the point if I am an INFP because of the Fi-Te axis. But my identity or values are not as strong that they come naturally(as in Fi doms)😂
Was waiting for this one. Love your vids, simple and to the point.
Now i understand why i always have the "live for others" way of thinking but at the same time where people make fun of me for that, i'm also "f*** everyone i'm out!" and back to my own world.
Yep, I was mistyping myself as ENTP when I'm really an INFJ (as you've noted, that tends to happen) but when I was a teenager and took the Myers-Briggs test, I tested as INTJ consistently. Nope, wrong axis. I was right about being an intuitive-dominant type with the Fe/Ti axis, but didn't think I'd be an "F" type because of my strong Ti. This theory of typology is much better. It took a long time and a lot of feedback, but I've finally discovered I'm an INFJ who just happens to be very cerebral and a bit more (but not much more) socially extroverted.
What you say is true. (Duh) I'm a logical INFJ with Tribe/over self mentality. So much that before I learned about the functions, I thought MAYBE I was an INTJ. My mom is an emotional INTJ.
Nice video. Really like the look of your guys site, seems like you cleaned it up a little.
If people are serious about MBTI and personality, they should be looking to expand beyond the 16 types to the 64 types as mentioned on your site. MBTI is really limited and your teachings in the course is helping go beyond that scope.
yeah, to figure out my middle functions i just watched my INFP friend screw over the tribe and focus so much on his Fi, it was hilarious, he never noticed he was doing this but it always happens, i also watched my ENFJ friend who just screws herself over all the time because she helps so many other people.
"What is the reason INFJ does what it does in the Tribe vs . INTJ tell you the reason why does what it does . " Thats the clear concept in this video
A classic ENTP friend and myself were at dinner with an INFJ. We were all laughing and arguing about some stupid outdated political stuff. At one point, the INFJ got very upset and stormed off... and called us mean. She had been happy one minute and then something just really triggered her and she felt hurt. I couldn't understand it until recently, but I think she was trying to get buy in on her Ti with her Fe and she got the very aggressive ENTP debater, which made her feel personally attacked. For the ENTP, ideas are play things to be noodled with. For the INFJ, her ideas were deeply personal. Fascinating!
The INTJ vs INFJ "left the void for themselves" agree . This is the INFJ clearly .Speaking the void there is no void for INTJ . There is no void for INFJ . they immediately fill it . Its about timing . The time in interaction with the other . INFJ has Fe to go out . I am here an expect any response here in this posts are going to give clarity about feelings . INTJ goes out with Te. Then you go meet Jung . He speaks about nature of Thinking vs Feelings . Its not the same reason, not the same need , not the same condition . Connecting INTJ with INFJ here because of nature of Thinking doing different actions to compared nature of Feeling INTJ and INFJ are now disconnected .
Love this 😂❤️
Yesss. Thank you!
one of distinguishes :
INTJ is thinker . Meanins his space in Mind has lot thoughts that are going to be there . The projection is going to be seen in thoughts . INTJ can be seen sidetracked . INFJ is same but not the thoughts . Feelings come up there .
This is excellent.
I saw a UA-cam video that had a link to a test that measured MBTI, The Big 5, and the Dark Triad in one go. It wasn't great. But it made me think of the possibilities.
I think it might offer a greater degree of measurement. If you've been able to refine your approach to MBTI this well, those other aspects might give you a massive boost in your methodology and understanding people.
Not sure if you'd be interested, but I figured it can't hurt to share.
You should look at Socionics description about Fi. It's about individual relation, one on one. Rather than Fe generalized approach, which is applicable to everyone, more focused on emotional impact and expression. I think you can still expand on your definition of the functions.
I'm an INFJ. But on some days I lean towards the INTJ. Definitely split between these two.
Great video!
Need one of these Infj vs estj pleeeeeease 😂
Nice. Also, what’s your opinion on visual typing? Do you think it’s accurate or not at all; just BS?
you use the Fe Fi focus to focus on INFJ vs INTJ . You can write down Dave what each cognitive function looks like as universal sheet . Then you will get to be seen for what you understand as TRIBE above SELF or SELF over TRIBE
. The videos feels pressured compressed as lot of speaking .There is a pause function :)
Amazing!!!!!
Hey! I have been loving the videos. I am starting to be able to see these in other people a bit more. But I know you have mentioned how it is much harder to determine yourself. I struggle telling which i struggle with more, my identity, or how much I care about the tribe. Because I say i care about both, I don't know how to tell what my own demons are. (I personally find myself somewhere in either ENFP or INFP, but could be completely off idk) So the question is how would you suggest to go about either trying to more accurately see these things in yourself un-biasedly, or how do you get other people to find out for you if they don't know any of this psychology?
Jonny Hughes great question, I want to know too!
In my understanding:
Dave takes the approach of brightest light, darkest shadow.
IF you are Ne-dom, your biggest shadow/demon would be Si (organizing). If Fi, u'll have -> Te (demon) or detest listening/sharing to other people logic.
1) To stay object, you can ask other people who have spent a lot of time with you about ur flaws. The more, the better sample.
2) Make a checklist of the biggest/recurring problems in your life. Is it more problems in observation (Missing Si)? Or between yourself and people (self/tribe)
Ref: watched 80% of Dave's class videos. Highly recommended.
These ideas are really interesting. But from my observations, Ni-doms are too focused on big goals and far-reaching implications instead of acting on a specific event, so for example an INFJ might not "throw themselves of the bus" but rather creates a big plan (which could later fail or succeed) in order to reach a level of harmony within the community (because they're too focused on seeing the problem as a bigger picture instead of seeing each problem as an isolated case). I feel like INFJs would spend their time to help others on a case-by-case only those who are easily within reach, ENFJs and XSFJs are maybe those who go out of their way to do that for every time someone needs help.
And also an INFJ "each time he could take a road, he errs on the side of fucking everyone else over (just a little bit)" could still mean that he is screwing everyone else for a bigger goal. I think it's a bit difficult to reach conclusions based on some superficial observation, especially on people who are very reserved and long-term-minded.
Dave, your videos are PHENOMENAL! But I'm tired of waiting for an ENFP video about our fears. You keep jumping around to different types. You gave us 1 video - yes only one - about motivation. I appreciate that. BUT can you talk about the fears of ENFPs. I 100% struggle with organisation but what's this fear of control you mention in other videos? I don't sit around thinking about how to break rules. Could you elaborate on that, please? THANK YOU!
P.S You might notice my name is INFJ. Yeah, I took shitty tests and got the wrong results a bunch of times lol.
All infj are melancholy dominant and sanguine second. Phlegmatic and choleric can take either third or fourth positions depending on which subtype
All intj are melancholy dominant and phlegmatic secondary . sanguine and choleric can take third or fourth depending on which subtype they are
Intj. ( One of the double introvert dominant, the other the infp)
The infj with sanguine extrovert as secondary is considered the most extroverted dominant introvert (melancholy)
95% of the population covered in 1 video!
How can you objectively determine which is dominant for someone with alot of responsibilities in their life. I have three stepkids and a 4th child. I have to put the tribes needs before mine. However in other contexts, I don't. Take my username. I dont care if it's offensive to the religous it really doesnt influence me that others find it offensive
2:36 the video content is going away from INFJ vs INTJ as the Dave enters there personality .
I have some questions about tribe versus self.
Is the tribe always right?
As for EJs being tribe over self, EJs are leaders, so they are telling the tribe what to do. Wouldn't that mean that for EJs the tribe and themselves are actually the same, and that the tribe is doing what they what to do? So EJs are not selfless.
Yes, more resolution is good, but also complicates it beyond control in my view. For example an INFJ with strong Ti and weak Fe vs a regular INTJ. I get that we can say "who is the more efficient one" but this is really a bit too complicated to actually be provable and repeatable given this is all subjectively done (no machines or algorithms..)
I’ve always thought I was an ENTP, because I’m logical and have a natural apprehension of tribe mentality. Though I’m very cordial. My identity stems strongly from my Ti. That I’m sure of.
Further, I’m really confused, I actually see comfort in protocol, routine, and I like daily todo list. Also, I’m always at my lowest when I’m loosing control (business doesn’t go as plan; I feel stuck). Which makes me think I’m INFJ.
I’m skeptical because I’m male, and INFJ males are so rare.
Can you do a vid on not only how their “demons” differ, but further, how does their leads Ne and Ni manifest in everyday behavior? This last question throws me off, both lead functions are abstract so is hard to pinpoint for me. Thanks
If sensation is our sensory awareness of an environment (internal or external), then intuition is our conceptual awareness of ideas (internal or external). The difference between Ni and Ne as I see it is:
Ni is much more fixated on paring down and trying to fit all ideas into one coherent perception of the actual idea. This means an Ni user can spend a whole lot of time thinking about one idea without thinking to gather other data when it may in fact be helpful to do so.
Ne is not like that. Ne is very willing to leave one idea to jump over to another related idea, and in the process of repeatedly doing this, create a whole web of connected ideas. They could spend all day long doing this, but it may not be super fulfilling (and this next part is conjecture) as there might be a tingling need to relate all of these ideas to past experiences, use them to build routines possibly. There is a desire to organize the continually expanding web of ideas, however small that desire is.
surmoi, my Ti is weaker than my intuition. That has always been clear to me. I only stated that Ti is a big part of my identity because it is my internal reasoning in which I make sense of both my morals and the world at large, however, I definitely lead with my intuition; in fact, I often use Ti to make sense of my conclusions or whims-both as a introspective and retrospective tool-only after the fact of a “gut feeling.” The fact is, I have a hard time figuring out my intuition type. I have no huge quarrels with rules, and tribe identity isn’t something I feel I’m lacking so I think Ni fits the bill more. I’m also not confrontational and prefer a conversation over an argument as a way of making way through a disagreement
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I agree with you, Denis. I'm going through the same struggle. I’m "at my lowest when I’m losing control (business doesn’t go as plan; I feel stuck)" ONLY when ONE plan not working disrupts my OTHER plans, like a ripple/snowball effect. Otherwise, I am able to adapt very well to pretty much any circumstance.
However, I hate routine, but love novelty, creativity and innovation. In other words, I don't mind change. I also have To-Do lists, but have trouble completing them if they don't align with my long-term goals and if they are mundane or repetitive tasks, like organizing my bedroom.
I wanna see that check cross 4 good
4:21 straight to the point but please not too load, we are always friendly people, ... OK until ... 😅
Hey can you do ESFP vs ESTP?
Damn I really feel understood. INFJ btw :)
LOOOOONG LIVE OUR SOVIET MOOOOTHERLAND
Dave why you suddenly put in content the ExFj vs IxFP ?
So I'm infj and hubby is intj....sometimes I'm Ni Ti and most times I'm Ni Fe 95% of the time. Hes Ni Te 95% but sometimes Ni Fi. It comes to really narrow areas or beliefs in our lives.
All I know is this - collectivism is for chumps. Not surprisingly, Ayn Rand was an INTJ. Btw, I know you know this, but I feel compelled to mention it - Se isn't just a fact-gatherer. It's also the reason why a lot of us INXJs develop food addictions as a coping mechanism. Some call it a "demon." I prefer to think of it as a "clown." Did you ever see Killer Klowns from Outer Space?
so, in making personal decisions such as choosing a lover, an INTJ tends to be heart over mind, INFJ mind over heart ?
so,an INFJ would choose a lover he/she doesn't truly love ? he chooses someone in the sense that he wants to compensate a hurtful remarks he said?
I'm an INFJ that is bad with people :((
The life of a jumper INFJ
Aside from explaining the cognitive functions (which is good by the way) you do have to consider some stereotypes when it comes to INXJs. INFJs (such as myself) are typically more interested in understanding people and how they think, while INTJs are typically more interested in understanding systems, such as with computers or whatever. Those are the typical differences you find. Love your channel by the way. You've explained MBTI better than a lot of people on UA-cam.
Does it make sense to be an INFJ with an INTJ alter ego?
oh.. I guessed wrong earlier on your type. oops.. 2 out of 4, thank goodness I'm not a therapist..
What are the diffrences between logical infj and a normal intp?
author , do you unconsciously not have in like the people ?
This topic id do interesting
I just made a video asking people if I’m infj or intj if any of u guys wanna diagnose me lol
Maybe it hard for u to tell which is which coz of the way u type people?
And also of course, jumper.
Weird, yeah, it requires a lot of observations. I was an INTJ type based on the 16 Personality test. However, what I interpret from you as an INFJ.
16 Personality test has 40% accuracy and has a major bias towards typing people as Intuitives. It will do such things as type ENTPs and ESTJs as INTJs (this is anecdotal testimony) which is wild. If you haven't cross-referenced your results in several separate cognitive-function-based tests you probably aren't an INTJ tbh Lol.
@@maddiesiegmund5623 I know this is an old thread but i was about to type this. 16 personalities isn't even based on mbti. It's based on big 5. It's written on their website. Try sakinorva test.. That's the only one that seems almost accurate. Best way is to understand and observe yourself but that is a tough route.
I'm a Intp but I could be a infj with savior ni-ti
How a lower IQ INTJ /INFJ feels like?
*Tell me what mbti personality type is this...*
Te (Extroverted Thinking) (100%)
your valuation of / adherence to logic of external systems / hierarchies / methods
Ti (Introverted Thinking) (85%)
your valuation of / adherence to your own internally devised logic/rational
Ne (Extroverted Intuition) (80%)
your valuation of / tendency towards free association and creating with external stimuli
Ni (Introverted Intuition) (95%)
your valuation of / tendency towards internal/original free association and creativity
Se (Extroverted Sensing) (30%)
your valuation of / tendency to fully experience the world unfiltered, in the moment
Si (Introverted Sensing) (100%)
your valuation of / focus on internal sensations and reliving past moments
Fe (Extroverted Feeling) (80%)
your valuation of / adherence to external morals, ethics, traditions, customs, groups
Fi (Introverted Feeling) (90%)
your valuation of / adherence to the sanctity of your own feelings / ideals / sentiment
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based on your results your type is likely - unclear
Probably ISTJ
I'm curious how you got these results. I never exceeded 85% for even my top function.
Ok how does "tribe validation" equals "loving another human beeing"... I have a problem becouse i generally hate people AS a collective yet when i do find people that are special to me i can do almost anything to please them. I focus on their emotions when im near them and go to my emotions only when they hurt me emotionally or when im alone. I do not need alone time at all. Main question is "what if infj decide to reject tribe validation at all cause he view tribe AS corrupted"
Does The loved one equals tribe ?
Maybe it depends on what you consider the tribe to be, how large. Because I agree that I don't fit with that, if the tribe is humanity as a whole, and I could not give any fewer fucks about what they think of me. Then I considered my tribe is probably my tiny group of friends, and this is where I start to care and make sacrifices. And if a person is particularly special to me, heaven help me and my personal boundaries.
What if you don't have any intj friends?
Help me I do both AAAA
as and INFJ I see INTJs as pushy bosses who do not understand harmony and do not have access to other's feelings and think they know the whole story about everything, cannot take care of a single plant in their bedrooms, walk faster, are not patient, and have no tolerance for others mistakes (in contrary to ENTP) . Of course there are positive sides to their personality but it's much easier to see the difference in the negative aspects.
Sezi Mik 😁 I have noticed that we, INFJs, like to edit our comments 😂😂😂 me too 😊
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You didn't edit your comment so your not înfj
Like Fab Sub said, your description relates more to an INTJ with a very strong Te. I, as an INTJ, also tend to walk faster, used to be impatient and used to be a know-it-all. But that was before I had developed my Introverted Feeling (being an elementary school teacher really helps with developing Fi).
So, as an INTJ, with a well-developed Fi, I do understand harmony and strive to make others feel comfortable and welcomed around me. I no longer think I'm a know-it-all and am a lot more open-minded (developed Ni and Fi) and love hearing others' opinions, thoughts, values and perspectives. I am currently taking care of a plant in my bedroom. I still tend to walk fast when I'm walking alone, but slow down when I am chatting and walking with others. I am very patient and tolerant, especially around kids and the elderly (those whom others may find difficult to be around).
@@SenorMcCool1 That's been my evolution as an INTJ... it's very hard to type mature / mentally evolved versions of these personality types!
I'm a OPP
Does supporting Ti control the Demon Se tidal wave?
And why is INTJ Ti smaller than Fe?
Love it❤
INFJ Ti it is! Wish there was an official name for it, but whatever.
NiFe-Ti subtype..
Ni-Ti
INFJ enneagram 5
It's called an INFJ in an Ni-Ti loop. Also, ISTPs can look like INFJs sometimes because of their Ti-Ni. Should check that out!
4:10 what if i like my Fi becouse it is logical ? What if i dont like alone time yet i like myself cause i worked on myself so my Fi Tells me that im worthy ? So many questions
Just look for Fe. Your excessive focus on this dominant-tertiary loop stuff is getting things backwards.
Whats with your use of vulgarity, like "f" "b"?
Start from 3:18
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ok so if your values, morals and those core beliefs of yours are based on rational objective things while being able to understand others peoples emotions and your own very well you are aaan...???? infj?
Are you Infj?
I think I'm an INTJ jumper
Yay first comment :3
what the HELL are you talking about? explain yourself
Lost me on the evolution stuff.
Your work is really bad honestly you don't know what your are talking about. Many ENTJ have strong Te and they may be like a "dictator" so WTH when you are saying that Te can prioritizes tribe reasons ? 4:55 And there are many other blunders on your videos....