Kata Bunkai Rule #1: Use Realistic Attacks
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- Опубліковано 2 лип 2024
- The analysis or breakdown of kata in known as bunkai. My #1 rule for bunkai is that it should help us practice against realistic attacks like we see "in the street" (non-consensual violence). There is a lot of great material out there but there is a lot of less-than-great material as well. This video is the first in what I hope will be a series. In the video, I provide examples of bad bunkai that break this important rule. I do not mean to be offensive but I think it's important to identify ineffective practice even if it comes from people who may be highly regarded.
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There's a good number of videos on UA-cam which they use too many straight unrealistic punches which we know it will never work in todays world or even the afterlife. Glad to see your videos sharing side by side with Iain's videos. Respect for you Andy. Keep it up!!
I entirely agree with you. In my class I still teach what I call the 'stylised karate' bunkai alongside the 'practical' bunkai. The reason being that the former can help with the initial learning of a kata as a solo form but requires 'karate' type attacks designed to fit the kata as it is; stances, direction, etc. I then like to differentiate this with the practical bunkai which is typically a bit messier, more interpretive, and requires a decent understanding of kata to not just become chaos (at the lower grades anyway).
Andy i put it to you that ur explanation is the actual ancient purpose of kata practise.
Happy new year my friend, cheers 🍻 from Colac
We once tested a particular bunkai for H.Nidan which didn't quite work, because both were trying to apply the technique equally, when the opportunity occurs.
Only when we changed the dynamic, such as one is the agressor and the other fights defensive, the bunkai started to work.
I feel like this is the related paradigm.
If you want to learn effective self defense , train shotgun.
But if you want to understand for what was really made karate and kata, work bunkai like you say. 100 .% agree with you.
The way that was taught me bunkai 30 years ago was bullshido.
Now we have at last some people who makes good bunkai work.
There‘s a lot to this subject - I‘m looking forward to seeing where this series will go 👍
It definitely makes sense to practice what you’re most likely to encounter (street violence). Even though there is some crossover, MMA is for MMA.
True, and that can be said for a lot of different contexts. Parts of BJJ training are great for self defense while other parts will get you hurt.
i believe the majority of your training should be spent on training for the most common attacks ie haymaker from a right handed person, pushing, shirt grabs, head locks etc.I dont think it was a coincidence that the heian katas first movements are all to the left. Another thought is stop training traditional distancing and get comfortable with close range stuff and ugly stuff. head butts, knees to balls, eyes and throat etc. I used to get feedback that these attacks was "dishonorable" if someone really wants to fuck you up and you need to get out of there go for it its not a competition. Oh and protecting the head us shotokan guys tend to have out hands way too low lol . Finally last thought is maybe watch cctv footage of assaults and study body language, posturing etc a lot of the time you can see little hints and nuances that shit is about to go down and people get caught with a flush shot to the face. Look forward to your next lot of videos.
I agree on all your points. I was going to comment on the distancing on old videos but I may save that for another video.
See? Y do I wanna add 2 dis? Here go a thought I had bouncing in my head, which might get it bit off by most hardcore traditionalists... *"Every karateka (irregardless of style) a boxer!"* First off, one will b THAT MUCH TOUGHER 2 deal with when da time comes due 2 da full-contact element. Second, da fact dat "we fight how we train, so why not train like an actual fight is?" I could go on an' on, but da whole "TL;DR" thing and my thoughts could get unorganized.
sorry for ranting but i get passionate and had too much coffee :D @@AppliedShotokan
think i understand where your coming from. we should all train boxing and combos but i think muay thai is a better choice so we can use all our karate weapons that modern karate de emphasized. (condition the shins and forearms). equally wrestling .. sometimes technique fails and under stress its more likely to fail and things will deteriorate into a contest of strength so wrestling is good too. Training for full contact is hard obviously with cte and injuries, hit the pads and bags as hard as you want but you do have to have a safety switch in place when yourre training with a partner its just common sense. @@Gauntlets
@@666Havers
Well in dat case, I probably shoulda said "kickboxing," but I said "boxing" 'cuz da "te" in "karate" is "hand!" My kyokushin sensei says "we use 'hands' to set up kicks and everything else." Besides dat, good boxing technique, such as a good jab could set up an' irritate opponents in order 2 start their downfall; tho I can't say I've seen it much on da streets aside from some 1-v-1s mostly on UA-cam...
I say dis not 2 disagree wit ur reply; just what came 2 mind when reading ur reply.
excellent. a core truth.
But the opposite can also be said where in a street attack the assailant is most likely unskilled and will not be throwing boxing combos and retracting their punches. They will be throwing looping haymakers and telegraphed punches. A stiff arm grab which we often see as a precursor to a sucker punch is kind of like the end of a straight punch still hanging in the air.
I have started to realize while sparring in Muay Thai (one of the martial arts I currently practice) that it is not going to provide a good simulation for a street attack other than giving you skills in managing distance and range and hitting the target (which are very important principles in combat sports). But because in ring sports you fight with a natural rhythm and cadence with your opponent, it does not prepare you for the violence and abrupt ambush of an untrained attacker who attacks with chaos, no cadence, full out violence, with flailing punches because he is not out to outscore you or throw pretty boxing combos. He is out to hurt, injure or even kill you as quick as possible. This is where I believe some of what appears to be static techniques in kata will work because your counter objective in defending a violent attack is not to do slick bobbing and weaving and 1-2-3 combos. It's to neutralize the attack as soon as possible, all our aggression, with as few moves as possible.
Although I have been lucky enough to avoid street altercations for most of my adult life, but I have had friends jokingly throw a pulled sucker punch at my mid-section on more than one occasion and was surprised to find myself not reacting with a boxing parry or slip and counter, and not doing an arm drag and taking the back, but instinctively and successfully using a low bong sao wing block, trap and counter from that poster child of bullshido, wing chun - one of the gateway martial arts I started with.
But why did I naturally resort to a de facto "kung fu move" (could have just as well been karate) rather than Muay Thai or BJJ where I believe that I have a higher level of competency? My guess: the context was different. It was a sudden attack rather than a planned technique during a spar or competition. The straight up and static wing chun technique loaned itself better for that circumstance and for the sudden ambush.
Lesson learned: Don't throw out those kata techniques in favor of tournament and kumite techniques when it comes to practicing for self defense against an ambush. The kata techniques, which on the surface may appear unrealistic, can work in the proper context and may actually be the better option if you are fortunate enough to have drilled them to the point that they are automatic.
Thanks for your comment. I agree with what you're saying so I'm not sure if you're getting my point. When I say that we should use Realistic attacks, I'm referring to the enemy.... the person ambushing you. They will never do a traditional step punch which is how most people practice bunkai. They will come at you with haymakers, grabs, shoves... like I show in the video.
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I don't want to be offensive but I think that this type of bunkai that is not useful in a real fight is taught on purpose as if it were sabotage.
I've heard the argument before but I don't buy it. Why would anybody purposefully promote such bogus and risk their reputation?
I think it's related to pride, imagine a fourth degree black belt who was indoctrinated into the traditional system having to admit that he was wrong in relation to applications.
@@AppliedShotokan I think it's related to pride, imagine a fourth degree black belt who was indoctrinated into the traditional system having to admit that he was wrong in relation to applications.
@@hugofernandes557 Absolutely. Then they suffer from cognitive dissonance, dig their heels in and reject logic.
Exactly.
So stop with all the tournament karate nonsense if you want to practice what you preach. Forget the point scoring. Do not train for sport tournaments at all. Leave that for the trophy hunting ego maniacs. Don't worry how 'pretty' your movement is. Focus more on balance- yours and the opponent. Get up close and personal.