I respectfully disagree. You startle birds and they'll scatter. Those resettling locally will do so over a massive area. They will not locate Owen for you. I think you'd be better off noting where the birds do NOT take off from. Where they were pre-flight is where Owen is not. Personally, I think it was a distraction and sonic cover.
Run Lola run was a staple of my young adult life. Excellent film. Also watched an Indian remake of it which is called Looop Lapeta which was also very good although the soundtrack wasn't anywhere near as good.
Just so you guys know, the order of the movies are: Bourne Identity (2002), Bourne Supremacy (2004), Bourne Ultimatum (2007), Bourne Legacy starring Jeremy Renner (2012), and finally Jason Bourne (2016). In my opinion they are all worth watching, the Legacy is film was an interesting choice, but I also love Jeremy Renner so I enjoyed it. Great reaction guys! Much love from Maine!
I 100% disagree. Bourne Identity, Supremacy, and Ultimatum, are canon. The next two movies don't exist for me, especially Bourne Legacy. It ruins the entire storyline by making Jason Bourne a junkie that has to have a drug to be awesome. Not cool.
There's also a 1988 The Bourne Identity mini-series which was good, and since it's closer to the book there are major story differences vs the films. :)
Love this film for you guys. Not only did it make Matt Damon into a bankable action star, but it also proved that a spy story didn’t have to follow the Bond model with gadgets and glamour. It made the Bourne model with more gritty fights and noirish plots something to emulate. I can’t wait for you guys to do the third one, the Bourne Ultimatum, as that really was the pinnacle of the series in terms of plotting and fight scenes.
Yeah, I couldn't stand Bond films because he was so bad as a spy -- always getting captured, dependent on high-tech gadgets, would compromise a mission because of a pretty woman. To me, a great thing about Bourne is that he uses what is readily available and adjusts accordingly.
Never could decide whether it was good or bad that the films depart so much from the books. I would say that the first three films are much better than the 4th and 5th entries. 4 failed to engage my attention much first time around, although it does provide extra world building. 5, while entertaining enough felt like just an add-on. Not read the Lustbader continuation books. Any thoughts? Edited for spelling.
I discounted Legacy, and assumed they were trying to pick it back up with the last film, but I'll take this as recommendation and check them out sometime, thank you.
This wasn't the movie that popularized the shaky-cam action thrillers, but this was the franchise. _Identity_ was directed by Doug Liman, but three of the sequels (Supremacy, Ultimatum, and Jason Bourne) were directed by Paul Greengrass, which is where the shaky-cam really comes into play.
This was a groundbreaking movie. So many movies copied the fighting style and the directorial style to the point where it's generic now, but at the time this came out it blew people away. Also, Franka Potente is such an underrated German actress. If you haven't seen it, she was in the really inventive movie "Run Lola Run" (1998). She's basically running to save her criminal boyfriend's life. It's very creative visually and is another late ‘90s film, which I would love to see you guys react to.
This came out the same time as Die Another Day. One of the most awful, silly, nonsensical, weightless, stupid Bond films ever. A series that was beginning to lose it's way (again) and become a joke parody of itself. 4 years later Casino Royale came out. One of the most grounded, character driven Bond movies of recent decades. This was almost entirely due to the impact the Bourne Identity had on the spy genre at the time. It was night and day.
Many people complain about not seeing the action and the shaky cams but that was what truly sold it for me as a proper fan of the books. They fail to realize that these are $30m killing machines, they are not there to put up a "show" fight. The killings need to be as fast and efficient as possible. Robert Ludlum was alive during filming the first movie and is credited a role besides author which convinces me that he was instrumental in coming up with the idea of the shaky cams.
The point with scaring up those crows is: crows who got disturbed like that gonna fly up and look out for an intruder. When they spot one, they gonna circle over him to pinpoint the intruder for other crows. The other assassin knew his position would be revealed by the crows and started moving which was exactly what Bourne needed...
It's a legit great trilogy. The shakey cam does get old after a while, but how the story plays out is very compelling. It's also an important trilogy because it started the trend of "gritty" movies being popular.
The thing with the birds wasn't just a distraction, he was looking to see where they WOULDN'T land, because that's where the predator was. It's SUCH a good display of tactical thinking and additional knowledge of animals and their habits
That line,”Look at what they make you give.” Gave me chills when I first heard Clive Owen say it. This line will be called back in a further Bourne film, if you guys keep going down this rabbit hole.
The Bourne movies massively stepped up the genre. A lot of movies that came after it like Casino Royale (Bond), Taken, John Wick were massively inspired by these films.
I'm glad you guys are getting into this series of films. The 3rd film (Ultimatum) is probably my favorite, but they are all worth watching, and I hope you complete the series. Enjoy!
"Maybe it's not as egregioius, maybe the way it's used?" Yes, there's a *right* way to do it, and it's not easy, there's not a lot of film-makers that do it well. The idea goes back at least as far as "Dr Strangelove" when Kubrick shot the battle sequences to look like newsreel combat footage. In action movies, *Tony Scott* pioneered the use of camera shake and fast edits to build more tension in action scenes. And the thing is he was so *good* at it, you didn't even notice it. But go back and take another look at "True Romance" or "The Last Boy Scout" or especially "Man on Fire" and "Domino" and pay attention to how much the camera moves and how much he cuts. The way he does it, it's not *confusing* or *disorienting,* instead it sort of *hyper-orients* the audience by giving us enough seperate bits of information that we subconciously put together a clear idea of the geography, blocking, and action in any given scene. The thing about the Bourne actions scenes is that he doesn't use it to "cheat" - the stunts, choreography, storytelling is all *there* you just have to fight to see it, kind of the way it would be in real life. (I noticed it works better on the small screen, and it keeps repeated viewings fresh because you notice things you didn't cactch last time) What happened after The Bourne movies is that studios realized they could use it to obscure the fact that stunts and choreo were *not* up to standard. Audiences caught on and revolted. Stunt crews did too. Single-shot action scenes became popular not just because they're impressive but also because the editor *can't* f*ck it up in post.
You'll love the entire series, most people only watch the first three and skip the last two but it's in those movies you find out so much backstory on the program and you get some serious character development and resolution. Such a great series to react to and such a great reaction from you guys!
I had an episode of transient global amnesia once. The effect of this type of amnesia is an inability to create any short term memories for several hours. It's kind of like the movie Memento. I vaguely remember asking my wife the same questions over and over again. She was freaked out after the 3rd or 4th time I asked the same set of questions. Basically, afterwards it felt like I had lost 5 hours of my life.
The really great thing about the Bourne trilogy is that it keeps getting better. I remember seeing all of them in the theater ... I was literally on the edge of my seat for pretty much the entirety of the Bourne Ultimatum. Looking forward to seeing you guys progress thru these.
This is actually insane. Yesterday, I was listening to a podcast about Casino Royale, and they were talking about the influence of the Bourne trilogy, so I looked up reactions, and found that most of my favorite reactors hadn't reacted to The Bourne Identity yet. And then today I see this upload. Love it! Thank you for all that you guys do! It is also worth pointing out, that this movie and trilogy is the reason why we got Daniel Craig as Bond, and why Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were oriented in the direction that they were!
The shaky cam in this movie is well done. It serves to add stress to fight scenes, not to obscure what's going on. The shaky cam gets Much worse in the next two films, like comically so. And yes, the headaches are a side effect of the training, it's gone into much more detail in the books.
@@jculver1674 I completely agree. The second and third movies are almost unwatchable for me, thanks to the terrible cinematography. It's a crime against movies and against Damon's consistently excellent performance.
Shaky cam is the main reason I hate Paul Greengrass. It has it's uses, but he overuses it and in the theaters I was so nauseous. It's not so bad at home, but the theater was bad.
Definitely hope you guys do Supremacy and Ultimatum. Bourne Legacy is actually pretty good too, and the way all the narratives weave together is top notch storytelling, aside from all the fighting and action sequences being cool af.
Just in case, make sure you don't skip the 2 sequels to this Bourne Identity movie as I noticed you only mentioned the 2012 Jeremy Renner movie and the 2016 Matt Damon Bourne movie. There was two direct sequels to this Identity movie called Bourne Supremacy and then Bourne Ultimatum. All with Matt Damon. Have fun with them!
The Bourne Identity changed the direction of James Bond. There was a plan to make a last film with Pierce Brosnan when Bourne came out and changed all action movies forever. Brosnan was ditched, with full payment, and in came Daniel Craig, a younger, more muscular Bond for Casino Royale. The Bourne movies are among the very best action movies out there. See them all, or miss 60 percent of the action genre in modern times.
Robert Ludlum wrote two sequels to The Bourne Identity: The Bourne Supremacy and The Bourne Ultimatum, which completed the trilogy. After Ludlum’s death, author Eric Van Lustbader continued the story and has written eleven more books during 2004 to 2017. Btw, the original books by Ludlum are amazing. I haven’t read the others, it kinda weirded me out that they weren’t by the original author at the time. Maybe someone who has read them can give their opinion.
The Bourne Altercation: A barrista accidentally misspells Jason's surname on his coffee cup resulting in a request to see the supervisor and a strongly-worded letter to Head Office... XD
I'd really love for you guys to watch The Long Kiss Goodnight, with Geena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson. It has the exact same premise, but it's a very different take on it. And it has a lot of humor. Also, Brian Cox is in The Long Kiss Goodnight, too! And he has some great, great lines in it.
Love this series! Love how visceral and gritty these movies are, every step planned and calculated with precision. Goes to show how efficient and deadly a person can become in any environment, theoretically anyway
Spy movies have taught me if i uncover something and my superior asks me about it alone and asks if I told anyone else, I will always say 'Yep, lot of people.'
Spy movies taught me that the girlfriend/partner actually was in cahoots with the enemy, usually if you are charming enough and got abs, you can typically win her back without any additional consequences about 50% of the time. Source: Brad Pitt, who had two movie roles where he had to kill his wife. Only one had a happy ending.
Man I remember seeing this movie a lot as a kid. My dad would have this playing while testing the DVD players he fixed to make sure they are running just fine. Very nostalgic for me.
The book was written during the Vietnam war; Bourne was sent into Southeast Asia while France still controlled Vietnam. The woman he falls in love with in the books is French Canadian
The reason for the afore mentioned 'shaky cam'-style filming, not being in this film, is because the rest of the franchise (bar 'Legacy') was directed by Paul Greengrass, who was know for his 'handheld' shaky cam-style film making, which helped the films he directed. This first one was directed by Doug Liman.
The fire escape was deliberately cut off. When you turn an existing building into a consulate, you secure it. Notice that all the upper level windows were bricked over. Exits can also be entrances, so cut off anything you don’t need.
Of all the movies this is still my favorite. I’m a big fan of the original trilogy of books written Robert Ludlum and highly recommend reading them. Identity is a good update to the first book, although not a fan of the changes made to Marie. The other movies resemble very little to the rest of the books.
I don't think this started _shaky-cam,_ but rather the _multiple quick edit_ trend. The trend which ultimately gave us 7 cuts to get *Liam Neeson* over a single fence.
The Borne series of Novels were begun by Robert Ludlum with the Bourne Identity, the Bourne Supremacy and the Bourne Ultimatum. Many other authors have also picked up the reins of the Jason Bourne stories with dozens of books, movies and television shows springing from it. The fun part about the character is that whether he is in a book, movie or TV show, you are drip fed just little bits about his past at a time which made every story appealing to the audience. If done right, we will never truly know who Jason Bourne really is, because once you do, he stops having that appeal.
Lol the "which would be worse" discussion and George's "not knowing if you have enemies" comment reminded me of Memento. 'why am I running...oh I must be chasing that guy...Nope he's chasing me.'
Please please please do the original trilogy at least (Identity, Supremacy and Ultimatum). The next two are SO good, IMO the next one is the best in the entire 5-movie franchise, although there is definitely a shock in there too :) now having his backstory installed, the Bourne Supremacy is literally just 85-90% action and it has a younger Karl Urban as a major character!
The one nice thing about the unsteady camera phase this franchise spawned, is that it birthed the awesome phase of badass cinematography/choreography with stunts/stunt actors/fight scenes in today’s films! Edit:Julia Stiles was originally supposed to die at the end of this movie but because of reshoots and longer than usual post production things changed. Got herself a couple more movies out of it
At the time this came out it really felt like a new take on the spy thriller genre and the shaky cam wasn't just there to cover up lazy choreography, it was a new way of shooting fights to make them feel more visceral, like you're actually in the action. At least at the time it was fresh.
Irrelevant fun fact: I vacationed in Paris for a week just to visit the sights where they filmed this movie and took photos to recreate the shots on a crappy 1st gen digital camera. Good times.
the shaky cam really start at the second movie (Bourne Supremacy) when Greengrass became the director. But while it really shaky, you can still see everything clearly. The shaky cam and quick cuts are mean to show how Bourne sees every little details in the world around him.
The embassy building fire escape is that way because the building wasn't originally a US Embassy. Once the US began using it the escape was removed to assist in securing the building from entrance anywhere but the main front, guarded, doors. Many of the windows are bricked and painted over as well, especially on the alley side so that no one can sneak in or out.
I remember this film getting mockery for the fast shakes at times and the some of the stylised scenes. I always thought this film was ahead of the game and I'm happy you two gave it a thumbs up .
My mother read the books--she said they don't age well because most of the "action" surrounds Bourne looking for a phone... just, over and over, "where can I find a phone??!". So you'd either have to set it in the early 80s or update it to present day and change everything. They also made a mini-series in the 80s starring Richard Chamberlain, a great actor who was primarily known for starring in these long mini-series on network television (The Thorn Birds, Shogun, Portrait of a Lady, Centennial--when I was a kid, if there was a mini-series, the first question would be "who plays Richard Chamberlain's love interest?"). I haven't seen it, but my bet is that it wasn't good, but it was still awesome.
When it comes to movies like this you have to live in the moment and question nothing. Trying to dissect it raises more questions than answers. I grew up in the 90s and just like the 60s it was a decade of change
In the climbing stunt off the building, Matt Damon actually climbed down the last 30 feet himself. Stakeout" is "surveillance" - pronounced soor-vey-awnce
Fun fact. The ending of the movie was changed because Bourne was supposed to blow up the Building with Treadstone in it. But 911 happened during filming so they changed it to the quieter ending because of the optics. I think the newer ending works better.
If you want to see Jean Reno again and in a great film. Watch Nikita (also known as La Femme Nikita) the 1990 film by the same director that did Leon, Luc Besson.
To answer your question, to have a loved one not know who you are. My father had dementia for several years before he passed. He was always happy, even at the end. However, it proves the adage, ignorance is bliss. Him not knowing who I was however was a punch in the balls, everytime he asked who I was.
The ending in the movie was because they knew there would be a sequel. In the book Bourne & Marie end up married at the beginning of book 2 with chid/children about 3-5 years later, if I remember correctly.
I love that one piece of the song that they use for the outre music… The rest of the song I could care less but for this movie that one piece is perfection…
To solve all your questions... watch the full movie series. In the first 3 they answer all the questions about Bourne and on the rest they answer the questions about Black Briar, Treadstone, etc.
I love the diner scene in this first move. Where he’s trying to realize how he know he can run so far at this altitude and where the best place to find a gun is and that the guy at the bar is 240 and can handle himself. Makes me wish I had those skills
The shaky cam really wasn't part of this movie. That was introduced to this series in the movies directed by Paul Greengrass. Greengrass directed the sequels. This movie was directed by Doug Liman.
I also like that the amnesia is much more believable than most, because the part of the point of training he went through was to strip his personal identity to make it easier to assume new roles. So that would be the last thing he would recover because he doesn't actually have a real name anymore.
The railing was likely part of the building before it was used as the Embassy, at which point they likely cut the ladder portion off as a security measure.
I want to say this was around the time Pierce Brosnan was wrapping up on his last Bond movie, and MGM were debating letting Pierce out of his contract and getting a new Bond. One of the leading actors to get it, was Clive Owen. Croupier and Bourne Identity were the reasons why. But I agree with George, he'd make a great Batman/Bruce Wayne.
the books from Robert Ludlum are just amazing. and there is a first Bourne movie with Richard Chamberlain also good one. The Bourne Identity from 1988. Ludlum wrote two sequels to The Bourne Identity: The Bourne Supremacy and The Bourne Ultimatum, forming the Bourne Trilogy. After Ludlum's death, author Eric Van Lustbader continued the story of Jason Bourne in The Bourne Legacy (2004), The Bourne Betrayal (2007), The Bourne Sanction (2008), The Bourne Deception (2009), The Bourne Objective (2010), The Bourne Dominion (2011), The Bourne Imperative (2012), The Bourne Retribution (2013), The Bourne Ascendancy (2014), The Bourne Enigma (2016), and The Bourne Initiative (2017).
If you want to see a fun heist movie with Michael Cane and the classic Mini Cooper cars used in this movie, check out The Italian Job from 1969, it's a classic.
Cool Hand Luke (1967)- Paul Newman 😎 Papillon (1973)- Steve McQueen / Dustin Hoffman🦋 Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)- Paul Newman / Robert Redford🤠
the shaky cam has never bothered me in these films because you can still see and understand what is happening on screen. they're not trying to hide the fact that the actors can't fight because it is clear they can fight and know what they're doing.
26:07 Bourne scatters the birds and observes where they land. The spot they avoid landing is where Clive Owen is
Oh shit, that is very clever way to find someone out in the open.
Don't know how many times I've seen this movie, but I never realized that until you pointed it out just now.
Even Clive Owen didn't realize that was what was happening, until it was to late.
I respectfully disagree.
You startle birds and they'll scatter. Those resettling locally will do so over a massive area. They will not locate Owen for you.
I think you'd be better off noting where the birds do NOT take off from. Where they were pre-flight is where Owen is not.
Personally, I think it was a distraction and sonic cover.
@@Kavala76 Yeah the gunshot and the birds flying everywhere is pretty disorienting
The actress who plays Marie is Franka Potente. She starred in a german film called "Run Lola Run", which you should really think about reacting to.
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I saw that in the theater, and loved everything about it.
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Run Lola run was a staple of my young adult life. Excellent film.
Also watched an Indian remake of it which is called Looop Lapeta which was also very good although the soundtrack wasn't anywhere near as good.
yeah, nice movie
Just so you guys know, the order of the movies are: Bourne Identity (2002), Bourne Supremacy (2004), Bourne Ultimatum (2007), Bourne Legacy starring Jeremy Renner (2012), and finally Jason Bourne (2016). In my opinion they are all worth watching, the Legacy is film was an interesting choice, but I also love Jeremy Renner so I enjoyed it. Great reaction guys! Much love from Maine!
I 100% disagree. Bourne Identity, Supremacy, and Ultimatum, are canon. The next two movies don't exist for me, especially Bourne Legacy. It ruins the entire storyline by making Jason Bourne a junkie that has to have a drug to be awesome. Not cool.
And the 2016 movie is pointless and lame. The trilogy's great, the other two are garbage.
Nice one, I’m sure they don’t have google or Wikipedia where they are
Agreed!
There's also a 1988 The Bourne Identity mini-series which was good, and since it's closer to the book there are major story differences vs the films. :)
"The Bourne Scuffle"
"The Bourne Conundrum"
"The Bourne Heated Debate"
Don't forget The Bourne Mild Disagreement....
The Bourne Kerfuffle.
Honestly, "The Borne Altercation" is a pretty accurate description for every movie in this series.
Love this film for you guys. Not only did it make Matt Damon into a bankable action star, but it also proved that a spy story didn’t have to follow the Bond model with gadgets and glamour. It made the Bourne model with more gritty fights and noirish plots something to emulate.
I can’t wait for you guys to do the third one, the Bourne Ultimatum, as that really was the pinnacle of the series in terms of plotting and fight scenes.
Funny it ultimately changed the James Bond franchise.
@@felixfungle-bung4688 Yup, completely changed the Bond franchise, influenced John Wick. The Bourne series is fantastic.
@@retropyro Absolutely true and we cant leave out Batman.
Yeah, I couldn't stand Bond films because he was so bad as a spy -- always getting captured, dependent on high-tech gadgets, would compromise a mission because of a pretty woman. To me, a great thing about Bourne is that he uses what is readily available and adjusts accordingly.
@@felixfungle-bung4688 The influence on spy/action films from Bourne is enormous
One of my favorite spy series of all time, all five are worth watching. Supremacy is my favorite in the series, however every entry is solid.
Read the books, you'll love 'em
@@TedRader I own them all ❤
Preach on Jasper. Preach on.
Never could decide whether it was good or bad that the films depart so much from the books. I would say that the first three films are much better than the 4th and 5th entries. 4 failed to engage my attention much first time around, although it does provide extra world building. 5, while entertaining enough felt like just an add-on. Not read the Lustbader continuation books. Any thoughts?
Edited for spelling.
I discounted Legacy, and assumed they were trying to pick it back up with the last film, but I'll take this as recommendation and check them out sometime, thank you.
This wasn't the movie that popularized the shaky-cam action thrillers, but this was the franchise. _Identity_ was directed by Doug Liman, but three of the sequels (Supremacy, Ultimatum, and Jason Bourne) were directed by Paul Greengrass, which is where the shaky-cam really comes into play.
This was a groundbreaking movie. So many movies copied the fighting style and the directorial style to the point where it's generic now, but at the time this came out it blew people away.
Also, Franka Potente is such an underrated German actress. If you haven't seen it, she was in the really inventive movie "Run Lola Run" (1998). She's basically running to save her criminal boyfriend's life. It's very creative visually and is another late ‘90s film, which I would love to see you guys react to.
This came out the same time as Die Another Day. One of the most awful, silly, nonsensical, weightless, stupid Bond films ever. A series that was beginning to lose it's way (again) and become a joke parody of itself.
4 years later Casino Royale came out. One of the most grounded, character driven Bond movies of recent decades.
This was almost entirely due to the impact the Bourne Identity had on the spy genre at the time. It was night and day.
Many people complain about not seeing the action and the shaky cams but that was what truly sold it for me as a proper fan of the books. They fail to realize that these are $30m killing machines, they are not there to put up a "show" fight. The killings need to be as fast and efficient as possible.
Robert Ludlum was alive during filming the first movie and is credited a role besides author which convinces me that he was instrumental in coming up with the idea of the shaky cams.
Not just the fighting style, but the editing. The quick-cut editing is what really changed the genre in terms of style.
Run Lola Run is a great movie!!
@@pee-buddyyou can be a 30 million dollar killing machine and show the action look at the raid and what they were able to do.
The point with scaring up those crows is: crows who got disturbed like that gonna fly up and look out for an intruder. When they spot one, they gonna circle over him to pinpoint the intruder for other crows.
The other assassin knew his position would be revealed by the crows and started moving which was exactly what Bourne needed...
It's a legit great trilogy. The shakey cam does get old after a while, but how the story plays out is very compelling. It's also an important trilogy because it started the trend of "gritty" movies being popular.
That Las Vegas car chase in the 4th movie is pretty incredible though.
@@asmrhead1560 Yeah, Supremacy gave me a headache in the theater, but on the small screen it may be my favorite of the trilogy.
Shaky cam for shaky cam sake gets old but it fits the Borne movies to a tee.
Please do the entire series! Each one has something that makes it worthwhile
First they need to watch the last Planet of the Apes movie. 😉
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I don’t condone these lazy videos
The thing with the birds wasn't just a distraction, he was looking to see where they WOULDN'T land, because that's where the predator was.
It's SUCH a good display of tactical thinking and additional knowledge of animals and their habits
I do not care it’s a movie grow the tf up sissy
"The Bourne Altercation" is the politest, most Canadian action picture name ever.
Every scene: "Sawry"
You could watch the British version, "The Bourne Lively Discussion".
London Cockney version: “The Bourne Right Old Two ‘n Eight”.
The Bourne Kerfuffle
Lol One of them says exactly this later.
the Bourne tea party
That line,”Look at what they make you give.” Gave me chills when I first heard Clive Owen say it. This line will be called back in a further Bourne film, if you guys keep going down this rabbit hole.
The Bourne movies massively stepped up the genre.
A lot of movies that came after it like Casino Royale (Bond), Taken, John Wick were massively inspired by these films.
Overrated
All the films in the series after the first are total garbage. John Wick is the antithesis of the later Bourne films.
Metal Gear Solid 3 and every game that came after it were heavily influenced by these movies as well.
I'm glad you guys are getting into this series of films. The 3rd film (Ultimatum) is probably my favorite, but they are all worth watching, and I hope you complete the series. Enjoy!
"Maybe it's not as egregioius, maybe the way it's used?"
Yes, there's a *right* way to do it, and it's not easy, there's not a lot of film-makers that do it well. The idea goes back at least as far as "Dr Strangelove" when Kubrick shot the battle sequences to look like newsreel combat footage. In action movies, *Tony Scott* pioneered the use of camera shake and fast edits to build more tension in action scenes. And the thing is he was so *good* at it, you didn't even notice it. But go back and take another look at "True Romance" or "The Last Boy Scout" or especially "Man on Fire" and "Domino" and pay attention to how much the camera moves and how much he cuts. The way he does it, it's not *confusing* or *disorienting,* instead it sort of *hyper-orients* the audience by giving us enough seperate bits of information that we subconciously put together a clear idea of the geography, blocking, and action in any given scene.
The thing about the Bourne actions scenes is that he doesn't use it to "cheat" - the stunts, choreography, storytelling is all *there* you just have to fight to see it, kind of the way it would be in real life. (I noticed it works better on the small screen, and it keeps repeated viewings fresh because you notice things you didn't cactch last time) What happened after The Bourne movies is that studios realized they could use it to obscure the fact that stunts and choreo were *not* up to standard. Audiences caught on and revolted. Stunt crews did too. Single-shot action scenes became popular not just because they're impressive but also because the editor *can't* f*ck it up in post.
Definitely watch the next two. The Bourne Supremacy is excellent, the sort of 'The Empire Strikes Back' of the original Bourne trilogy.
George's "Come get this pile" will become legendary
You'll love the entire series, most people only watch the first three and skip the last two but it's in those movies you find out so much backstory on the program and you get some serious character development and resolution. Such a great series to react to and such a great reaction from you guys!
I had an episode of transient global amnesia once. The effect of this type of amnesia is an inability to create any short term memories for several hours. It's kind of like the movie Memento. I vaguely remember asking my wife the same questions over and over again. She was freaked out after the 3rd or 4th time I asked the same set of questions. Basically, afterwards it felt like I had lost 5 hours of my life.
Did you have a head injury or something?
The really great thing about the Bourne trilogy is that it keeps getting better. I remember seeing all of them in the theater ... I was literally on the edge of my seat for pretty much the entirety of the Bourne Ultimatum. Looking forward to seeing you guys progress thru these.
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'The Bourne Altercation' definitely sounds like a Canadian adaptation of an action movie.
The Bourne films actually influenced future Bond and Mission: Impossible ones. It had a huge impact in the action/spy genre.
This is actually insane. Yesterday, I was listening to a podcast about Casino Royale, and they were talking about the influence of the Bourne trilogy, so I looked up reactions, and found that most of my favorite reactors hadn't reacted to The Bourne Identity yet. And then today I see this upload. Love it! Thank you for all that you guys do!
It is also worth pointing out, that this movie and trilogy is the reason why we got Daniel Craig as Bond, and why Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace were oriented in the direction that they were!
The shaky cam in this movie is well done. It serves to add stress to fight scenes, not to obscure what's going on. The shaky cam gets Much worse in the next two films, like comically so.
And yes, the headaches are a side effect of the training, it's gone into much more detail in the books.
I'm probably in the minority, but I think this is the best movie of the trilogy. The increased Shaky-Cam being a major reason.
@@jculver1674 I completely agree. The second and third movies are almost unwatchable for me, thanks to the terrible cinematography. It's a crime against movies and against Damon's consistently excellent performance.
Yeah I remember seeing the second film in the theater and having a migraine when it was over
Shaky cam is the main reason I hate Paul Greengrass. It has it's uses, but he overuses it and in the theaters I was so nauseous. It's not so bad at home, but the theater was bad.
@@hafeyaBourne wasn’t made for you
You guys NEED to watch "Run Lola Run (1998)" with Franka Potente. Amazing film.
I love your dedication you put into creating thumbnails to fit with every movie. Always puts a smile on my face ❤
Definitely hope you guys do Supremacy and Ultimatum. Bourne Legacy is actually pretty good too, and the way all the narratives weave together is top notch storytelling, aside from all the fighting and action sequences being cool af.
Just in case, make sure you don't skip the 2 sequels to this Bourne Identity movie as I noticed you only mentioned the 2012 Jeremy Renner movie and the 2016 Matt Damon Bourne movie. There was two direct sequels to this Identity movie called Bourne Supremacy and then Bourne Ultimatum. All with Matt Damon. Have fun with them!
The Bourne Identity changed the direction of James Bond. There was a plan to make a last film with Pierce Brosnan when Bourne came out and changed all action movies forever. Brosnan was ditched, with full payment, and in came Daniel Craig, a younger, more muscular Bond for Casino Royale. The Bourne movies are among the very best action movies out there. See them all, or miss 60 percent of the action genre in modern times.
A very underrated and terrific soundtrack, as well.
Robert Ludlum wrote two sequels to The Bourne Identity: The Bourne Supremacy and The Bourne Ultimatum, which completed the trilogy. After Ludlum’s death, author Eric Van Lustbader continued the story and has written eleven more books during 2004 to 2017. Btw, the original books by Ludlum are amazing. I haven’t read the others, it kinda weirded me out that they weren’t by the original author at the time. Maybe someone who has read them can give their opinion.
Love the Bourne series. Great action movies but still very family friendly. Cursing is very minimal and the violence is not bloody or gore.
The Bourne Altercation: A barrista accidentally misspells Jason's surname on his coffee cup resulting in a request to see the supervisor and a strongly-worded letter to Head Office... XD
I'd really love for you guys to watch The Long Kiss Goodnight, with Geena Davis and Samuel L. Jackson.
It has the exact same premise, but it's a very different take on it. And it has a lot of humor.
Also, Brian Cox is in The Long Kiss Goodnight, too! And he has some great, great lines in it.
I love that movie
@@stevehope4572 - Same.👍
Love this series! Love how visceral and gritty these movies are, every step planned and calculated with precision. Goes to show how efficient and deadly a person can become in any environment, theoretically anyway
EASILY my new favorite Simone intro 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don’t know. ‘Welcome to Cinebinge. I love you.’ is pretty great too, lol
There are a bunch of great ones
Spy movies have taught me if i uncover something and my superior asks me about it alone and asks if I told anyone else, I will always say 'Yep, lot of people.'
Spy movies taught me that the girlfriend/partner actually was in cahoots with the enemy, usually if you are charming enough and got abs, you can typically win her back without any additional consequences about 50% of the time. Source: Brad Pitt, who had two movie roles where he had to kill his wife. Only one had a happy ending.
Man I remember seeing this movie a lot as a kid. My dad would have this playing while testing the DVD players he fixed to make sure they are running just fine. Very nostalgic for me.
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The book was written during the Vietnam war; Bourne was sent into Southeast Asia while France still controlled Vietnam. The woman he falls in love with in the books is French Canadian
The reason for the afore mentioned 'shaky cam'-style filming, not being in this film, is because the rest of the franchise (bar 'Legacy') was directed by Paul Greengrass, who was know for his 'handheld' shaky cam-style film making, which helped the films he directed.
This first one was directed by Doug Liman.
I now really want to see the Bourne Altercation.
And I want to see The Bourne Scuffle.
The fire escape was deliberately cut off. When you turn an existing building into a consulate, you secure it. Notice that all the upper level windows were bricked over. Exits can also be entrances, so cut off anything you don’t need.
French word for stakeout: surveillance. 😉
"l'stakeout" was a pretty good try though. 😆
1 The Bourne Identity (2002)
2 The Bourne Supremacy (2004)
3 The Bourne Ultimatum (2007)
Of all the movies this is still my favorite. I’m a big fan of the original trilogy of books written Robert Ludlum and highly recommend reading them. Identity is a good update to the first book, although not a fan of the changes made to Marie. The other movies resemble very little to the rest of the books.
I don't think this started _shaky-cam,_ but rather the _multiple quick edit_ trend. The trend which ultimately gave us 7 cuts to get *Liam Neeson* over a single fence.
The Borne series of Novels were begun by Robert Ludlum with the Bourne Identity, the Bourne Supremacy and the Bourne Ultimatum. Many other authors have also picked up the reins of the Jason Bourne stories with dozens of books, movies and television shows springing from it.
The fun part about the character is that whether he is in a book, movie or TV show, you are drip fed just little bits about his past at a time which made every story appealing to the audience. If done right, we will never truly know who Jason Bourne really is, because once you do, he stops having that appeal.
In the books, the lady he gets involved with this whole thing is a part of a Canadian Finance delegation to France.
Not recognizing Franka Potente says you haven't watched "Run Lola Run".
Lol the "which would be worse" discussion and George's "not knowing if you have enemies" comment reminded me of Memento. 'why am I running...oh I must be chasing that guy...Nope he's chasing me.'
2:32 "Birth control?" - simone
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Also see Franka Potenta (Maria) in The Sinking Of The Laconia, a true story
I love that in the begging you can see Matt Damon run behind the car that makes him "disappear"
Please please please do the original trilogy at least (Identity, Supremacy and Ultimatum). The next two are SO good, IMO the next one is the best in the entire 5-movie franchise, although there is definitely a shock in there too :) now having his backstory installed, the Bourne Supremacy is literally just 85-90% action and it has a younger Karl Urban as a major character!
The one nice thing about the unsteady camera phase this franchise spawned, is that it birthed the awesome phase of badass cinematography/choreography with stunts/stunt actors/fight scenes in today’s films!
Edit:Julia Stiles was originally supposed to die at the end of this movie but because of reshoots and longer than usual post production things changed. Got herself a couple more movies out of it
At the time this came out it really felt like a new take on the spy thriller genre and the shaky cam wasn't just there to cover up lazy choreography, it was a new way of shooting fights to make them feel more visceral, like you're actually in the action. At least at the time it was fresh.
Irrelevant fun fact: I vacationed in Paris for a week just to visit the sights where they filmed this movie and took photos to recreate the shots on a crappy 1st gen digital camera. Good times.
the shaky cam really start at the second movie (Bourne Supremacy) when Greengrass became the director. But while it really shaky, you can still see everything clearly. The shaky cam and quick cuts are mean to show how Bourne sees every little details in the world around him.
BTW, the French word for "stake out" is "la surveillance." ;)
"How do you surf on a body..." Gives "bodysurfing" a whole new meaning! LOL
Now you MUST see "Lola Rennt", also starring Franka Potente (Marie) :)
I loved The Bourne Altercation but my favourite of the series was The Bourne Kerfuffle
The embassy building fire escape is that way because the building wasn't originally a US Embassy. Once the US began using it the escape was removed to assist in securing the building from entrance anywhere but the main front, guarded, doors. Many of the windows are bricked and painted over as well, especially on the alley side so that no one can sneak in or out.
I remember this film getting mockery for the fast shakes at times and the some of the stylised scenes. I always thought this film was ahead of the game and I'm happy you two gave it a thumbs up .
My mother read the books--she said they don't age well because most of the "action" surrounds Bourne looking for a phone... just, over and over, "where can I find a phone??!". So you'd either have to set it in the early 80s or update it to present day and change everything. They also made a mini-series in the 80s starring Richard Chamberlain, a great actor who was primarily known for starring in these long mini-series on network television (The Thorn Birds, Shogun, Portrait of a Lady, Centennial--when I was a kid, if there was a mini-series, the first question would be "who plays Richard Chamberlain's love interest?"). I haven't seen it, but my bet is that it wasn't good, but it was still awesome.
Moby at the end.
Great song.
The shakycam becomes ridiculous in the sequels. There's a shakycam scene where Bourne googles a hotel.
When I had covid last year, I discovered there was also an 80's TV miniseries based on this, with Denholm Elliot (from Indiana Jones) as the doctor.
Thanka for picking this one up, absolutely love this film.
This was a remake, it started out as a wildly popular 1988 U.S. TV miniseries starring Richard Chamberlain.
When it comes to movies like this you have to live in the moment and question nothing. Trying to dissect it raises more questions than answers. I grew up in the 90s and just like the 60s it was a decade of change
In the climbing stunt off the building, Matt Damon actually climbed down the last 30 feet himself.
Stakeout" is "surveillance" - pronounced soor-vey-awnce
Fun fact. The ending of the movie was changed because Bourne was supposed to blow up the Building with Treadstone in it. But 911 happened during filming so they changed it to the quieter ending because of the optics.
I think the newer ending works better.
Yep. You’ve started. Gotta watch in order and your question do get answered. Great series.
Another film about memory loss is Regarding Henry with Harrison Ford.
The curtain in the bank is a privacy screen, not security screen.
This was directed by Doug Liman, (edge of tomorrow) no shaky cam. Paul Greengrass directed the sequels he's the shaky cam guy.
0:29 All I could hear after this was a list of Bourne spoofs being read in the voice of Troy McClure.
Also, if you liked Franka Potente in this, you will love her in Run Lola Run.
If you want to see Jean Reno again and in a great film. Watch Nikita (also known as La Femme Nikita) the 1990 film by the same director that did Leon, Luc Besson.
To answer your question, to have a loved one not know who you are. My father had dementia for several years before he passed. He was always happy, even at the end. However, it proves the adage, ignorance is bliss. Him not knowing who I was however was a punch in the balls, everytime he asked who I was.
The ending in the movie was because they knew there would be a sequel. In the book Bourne & Marie end up married at the beginning of book 2 with chid/children about 3-5 years later, if I remember correctly.
I love that one piece of the song that they use for the outre music…
The rest of the song I could care less but for this movie that one piece is perfection…
To solve all your questions... watch the full movie series. In the first 3 they answer all the questions about Bourne and on the rest they answer the questions about Black Briar, Treadstone, etc.
I love the diner scene in this first move. Where he’s trying to realize how he know he can run so far at this altitude and where the best place to find a gun is and that the guy at the bar is 240 and can handle himself. Makes me wish I had those skills
I've heard that when they rebooted the bond movies with Daniel Craig, they emulated the Bourne films and made the Bond films more gritty
The trilogy (first 3 movies) are among my favorite movies.
This film was *hugely* influential on the genres of spy movies and action-thriller movies alike.
Another movie about a man without a past is "The Man Without a Past", from Finland. It also involves the army. The Salvation Army. by Aki Kaurismäki.
This was the very first DVD I ever owned. I was still a bit about the shift from VHS. It’s truly amazing how quickly technology moves.
The shaky cam really wasn't part of this movie. That was introduced to this series in the movies directed by Paul Greengrass. Greengrass directed the sequels. This movie was directed by Doug Liman.
Jason worked for a Black Ops group. There are a couple things in the next 2 movies that I just love.
I also like that the amnesia is much more believable than most, because the part of the point of training he went through was to strip his personal identity to make it easier to assume new roles.
So that would be the last thing he would recover because he doesn't actually have a real name anymore.
The railing was likely part of the building before it was used as the Embassy, at which point they likely cut the ladder portion off as a security measure.
I want to say this was around the time Pierce Brosnan was wrapping up on his last Bond movie, and MGM were debating letting Pierce out of his contract and getting a new Bond. One of the leading actors to get it, was Clive Owen. Croupier and Bourne Identity were the reasons why.
But I agree with George, he'd make a great Batman/Bruce Wayne.
the books from Robert Ludlum are just amazing. and there is a first Bourne movie with Richard Chamberlain also good one. The Bourne Identity from 1988. Ludlum wrote two sequels to The Bourne Identity: The Bourne Supremacy and The Bourne Ultimatum, forming the Bourne Trilogy. After Ludlum's death, author Eric Van Lustbader continued the story of Jason Bourne in The Bourne Legacy (2004), The Bourne Betrayal (2007), The Bourne Sanction (2008), The Bourne Deception (2009), The Bourne Objective (2010), The Bourne Dominion (2011), The Bourne Imperative (2012), The Bourne Retribution (2013), The Bourne Ascendancy (2014), The Bourne Enigma (2016), and The Bourne Initiative (2017).
If you want to see a fun heist movie with Michael Cane and the classic Mini Cooper cars used in this movie, check out The Italian Job from 1969, it's a classic.
Cool Hand Luke (1967)- Paul Newman 😎
Papillon (1973)- Steve McQueen / Dustin Hoffman🦋
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid (1969)- Paul Newman / Robert Redford🤠
the shaky cam has never bothered me in these films because you can still see and understand what is happening on screen. they're not trying to hide the fact that the actors can't fight because it is clear they can fight and know what they're doing.