Preparing for the First Ride on Larry
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- Опубліковано 10 жов 2019
- Pat works Larry on the ground with the flag, gets on, and...discovers Larry has no forward impulsion and is resentful of the roundpen. Come to find out, he has never been ridden outside. And he's 7! So we head for the desert and expose him to the wide open spaces. Thank you for watching! Please Subscribe to our channel and don't forget to hit that Like button. You can head over to our website www.thedisciplinedride.com to see what we're up to and what we have to offer. Stay tuned!
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Great video. I always appreciate seeing what it looks like when things don't go right. When a horse is uncooperative and really makes you work to get what you want. It's messy, but that's where the real training happens.
Thanks again Mr. Puckett!
I found this to be one of the best of the your videos that I have seen. This is a very real world view of how a good trainer works a horse. It's not always flowers and sunshine, but it's not brutality either. It's focused on a goal and, as you say, no hard feelings for the bumps in the road. Very well done video! "Well maybe he hasn't been ridden in spurs...yeah...well...that's over." LOL!! Absolutely PERFECT logic!
He knows what he’s doing and does it. With no indecision and no fear! Thank you Pat! You are a great teacher!
I bought a 14 year old horse that did all the same crap, had him 3 years and he's a decent horse now, taught me everything I know 😁
Hes got a very active tail... Like a cat plottin something haha
It’s amazing how much bad habits/behavior you can find with a flag. A lot of people don’t realize that small little things horses do that they think are “cute” or “funny” can lead to very bad habits.
Excellent horsemanship with sticky little horse. Clear and fair.
I love seeing Pat get the horse "outside"........IN A HALTER!!!!!!!! Keep 'em coming Pat n Deb! - Benard
Very cool well done ! Thank you for sharing !
Such great sensible training ! So good to see. Thanks
This video helped me quite a lot today. Changing back & forth between flagging & moving his feet helped a lot with my colt who has a particular aversion to garbage bags. Thank you!!!!
Wow.. ton of info I learned today! Sure love how you explain things I surely would have missed! Thank you so very much for all your videos!!
Love that you have the same attitude as I about discipline.
Thank You for sharing your videos. This is very useful! I saw some good changes after getting out of the round pen!
This is excellent. I do some of this but you made it very clear! Thank you. You are very very clear! I work with 20 farm spoiled herd bond horses. ... acquired by default. They are age 10- 25 and did nothing till I started working with them. Almost would have been better if they had been untouched mustangs! Keep videos coming.
Great video! I look forward to seeing his progress.
thank you Pat for all the knowledge you are the best
I love your videos so educational and I love the fact that you discipline a horse don't beat him to death but demand respect thank you sir
No expert here, but watching Larry on his run out in the wilds, he looks like a horse that wants to run full out fast, his eyes were huge, takin it all in, excited as can be! Wonderful to watch, thank you Mr. & Mrs. Puckett, very much enjoy your videos.
That was great. Thank you.
I would rather not see the tail working so much but guess it'll work out with time.
A few times there I do believe ol Larry was thinking seriously about giving you a kick !
Getting enjoyment from watching this, thanks !
Thanks for sharing and take. 👍
Great lesson in a few different ways!
I don't know if there are any flies but if there aren't that horse is expending alot of energy to show his displeasure. Great video. We always have to be the leader to the horse.
looking forward to seeing Larry's progress.
Larry reminds me of a great big "rope horse" that I was given to ride during a gather. He constantly stumbled and at one point fell down because of his reluctance to move his feet, or bend his body. We were in rough country and in the end he quit. I led him back to the trailer and the rancher took him to the sale. I wish I had known more in those days, we might have been able to help that horse out.
We do not know how he was handled before going to Pat, he needs direction which is why he is there. Great video thank you.
The horse is telling you how he was handled before going to Pat. He wears his history on his sleeve. Larry is going to come through.
Back in the day Larry was started by a guy named Fingers...we called him that because he wasn't a hand. Good work Pat!
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@@PatnDebPuckett i want to know how to contact with you 😀
Please send me contact when you can
Yeah, you can see his first rides confused the horse and spoiled him. Oh well.
That paint switches his tail continuously while he’s moving . To me that’s from a temper and no respect. Put him in a pen with 2 or 3 different studs & see what happens .
I use a plastic grocery bag tied to the end of a lunge whip my dogs chewed the rope part off of, for my flag. It makes a boat load of noise and flaps and waves etc. I'd much rather have them learn with that then blow up on me when they hear a rustling in the brush right next to us when I am riding. I have an old mare that is ring sour and she is a PITA to work with in the round pen but take her out in the mountains and she is the best horse you will ever ride. I think they get bored and annoyed with arena/round pen work the same as a person would.
I CAN WATCH THIS MANY TIMES AND GET SOMETHING NEW OUT OF IT. THANKS FOR EXPLAINING THE "LEAVING THE COUNTRY" BEHAVIOR OF THE HORSES HIP INSTEAD OF GOING FORWARD. I HAVE GOTTEN STUCK WITH HORSES THERE. NOW I CAN USE THE FENCE AND ME TO MOE THEM THRU THE PASSAGE. GREAT VIDEO MY FRIEND. VAL IN CO.
Oh no! I got that same problem "Donkey syndrome". I might have a BIG problem. You AMAZE me Pat. Great job balancing and keeping centered. I'm hoping my horse doesn't do that. I'm not that savvy.
I love that dog circling the fence Is his name Judge ? Lol
Your point is taken. The confusion you are seeing, is, to me, merely the horse having to figure out the options and doing what is being asked. His resistance level is high probably from some bad previous experiences. Unfortunately, horses end up paying the price for the incompetence of humans. We will agree to disagree.
I have to say, Mr Puckett says whay he means and means what he say. RESPECT, i like him too!
What is with all the tail wringing? He just never gives it up. I am so impressed with you Pat, you are an amazing rider and very brave. You rode him out and made it look easy, which I know it isn't. I also look forward to watching this gelding's progress.
👍 awesome
I have Lean more from ur video thank u from a&s saddle repair
Pat, you're the coolest dude on all of UA-cam
That horse looks very unique
Pat is my hero💥
As a professional soldier I always counseled leaders I mentored :"you can have high standards and be hard about it as long as you are fair"....here Pat is insistent on the standard but is always fair with the horse. I will have to say the swishing tail and the ears back with Pat aboard were attention getting. As hard as I ever met my shadow I was on a mare visiting Jimmy Flores, Sr. All four feet were glued to the ground and I could not get her to break step and step off. I SHOULD HAVE GOT OFF ! I spent that night on an ice bag waiting to see if I was going to pass blood. Jimmy taught me "if you have any suspicion you may have to make a ride, excuse yourself, go behind the pens and empty your bladder."
There are horsemen and they are horsemen ... Knowing right away what this horse needed was open country, aka wet Saddle blankets. Well done and thx again for sharing
Looks as comfortable as riding a square wheeled bike with no seat
That describes riding a lot of young ones perfectly, and now with back trouble almost all horses seem like that to me.
@@KKIcons I second that!
Piece of cake!!
Whoops, but you Pat 👍🏻, will out last him! Thank you Pat for being forthright 👍🏻
See The swishing of the tail? Thank Pat for bringing the wherewithal, to help this horse, to make the right choice 👌
Fixing someones screwups is a lot harder than starting an untouched horse methinks.
Amen to that Ron!
Ron Purcell very true.
@@barbaragreene6592 Pat did not train the horse he brought him home. says the horse is dangerous BULL----
Donna ; Please contact me. I would love to hear from you. My email is on my reply’s. Thank you.
Nice work with Larry. Cannot imagine anyone having a horse like him and
never taking him outside. Wasted a lot of his life standing in a pen somewhere.
Its so much more interesting for horses be outside the arena.
Horse can be a REAL BUGGER!
oh I am so grateful or the Beans
Quite the lazy bugger!
Why that horse,is a damn Cannibal...LOL
This too can be fixed (was what I got out of this). Just too bad that ppl have a horse and because they aren't willing to learn anything they create all this that the horse isn't really wanting to be. Then you have to get the call " CAN YOU FIX MY HORSE" when really it should be " I NEED FIXING CAN YOU HELP ME SO I CAN HELP MY HORSE" Great job
Yeah.
I have watched a number of your videos and really enjoy them. My first thought watching this one was “the energy is all wrong”. I am no expert and am always learning, but I do wonder if a slower more gentle approach using more positive reinforcement would have worked better with this horse. I realise there are time constraints and you need to work this horse to train him up. He looked a lot happier out in the open. Thanks once again for sharing your work!
To catch you up on this horse, Larry was sent to us to evaluate him for suitability to his 70 year old owner (or thereabouts) who had blood clotting problems and was on medication which would make any injury an emergency. We wanted to see if Larry would ever be a good horse for him within the constraints of paying our monthly fee and what it would cost for the man to buy a horse that was already gentle. Larry had been trained and housed in an extremely small area and drilled with groundwork for a long time using Clinton Anderson’s methods. He was really bothered about almost everything. We ended up recommending that the owner buy a different horse and sell this one to someone who didn’t have the same health problems and who could invest the time without having the meter running, so to speak.
@@PatnDebPuckett he looks like a complicated horse. Reminded me of my Standy who was a nervous wreck when I got him 4 years ago. But time is on my side, and youth so I have spent 4 years working with him and he has come so far. I thought about selling him a number of times but he just got under my skin. Love your work!
@@PatnDebPuckett Can you expand more on when you say Clinton Anderson’s methods?
@@patrickhennigan9689 If you watch Clinton Anderson, you will see that his methods are about dominating the horse rather than establishing an understanding and a partnership. He also drills his horses and works them through exercises too fast before the horse truly understands what is being asked. When people who have no presence try to use his methods, they often get into trouble because the horse resents them and soon learns to be aggressive in order to get away from the relentless pressure and no release.
@@PatnDebPuckett Appreciate the reply.
That horse has something going on. His tail is constantly swishing... even when you're not using the spurs.
Larry was thinking about getting a little froggy. Deb, I'm sure you've seen it before and have all the confidence in the world in Pat, but does your heart still skip a beat now and then in these situations? Looking forward to the continual Caballo attitude change.
I’ve gotten pretty good at assessing the horses Pat works. This particular one didn’t worry me. It’s those big warm bloods or older horses that are set in their ways that can be scary.
I'm sure pat's talked about it but how do yall deal with a barn sour or buddy sour horse?? I got two mares that hump up when they don't want to leave or don't want to leave the corral or the other horses in the pens...
Pat I noticed you had little patience here w this horse compared to other days😅. Been there! Is the horse injured? Stifle? Jus by the way it’s acting. Good day sir.
hey pat, what are your thoughts on being ponied around? and you should do a video talking about flanking a horse to desensitize the flank areas...
You’re going to have to clarify what you mean by “ponied around.” Ponying horses is fine. Ponying horses with a rider can be dangerous if the person doing the ponying isn’t really good at what they’re doing. It’s not necessary to pony someone on a colt. As far as roping the flank, we have a number of videos in our archives showing Pat rope horses to include roping the flank. Let me know if you have more questions about it after watching them.
Good job. I think it went well for a new horse. They are all donkey horses at the start. the fact the horse is six is no matter.
Pat, are you a buckaroo? I noticed your flat brim hat. I’ve been hearing that’s the buckaroo style hat:
Curious what flag is made from? Tarp attached to fiberglass cow thumper or old lunge whip?
It’s made from a whip antenna. The thick end makes the handle and is heated up and folded over for about 10 inches and padded with vet wrap. The fine end is heated up and made into a loop. The flag is cut out of a tarp with the grommet in the corner.
Larry does not have an honest bone in his body....yet! He's a petulant thinker that resents direction as his ever twitching tail speaks. He's just never met anyone that was his boss...til Pat. Well done Pat, you've got his number.
"Petulant thinker" is now one of my favorite lines. 😆
@@conniekempf4050 'Petulant thinker' came to mind after I bought a 7 yr.old spoiled mule with a very busy tail...who met my version of Pat! Thanks Connie.
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Wet saddle blankets.
Yeehaw!
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I don’t know how you can keep up. Ten years ago I could have delt with a hard headed horse. I hated dealing with them them. He seems to be catching on though. You got on and exhaled…. I went to holding my breath. That tail..he’s still trying to be sassy.
Does Pat ever use a whip for some desensitizing or just the flag? Also what's your thoughts on both of them?
He doesn’t use a whip.
On' think like a horse' he showed Clinton using a whip, lots of running around, a rope looks easier.
Larry the horse is a handsome horse with correctable issues.
But not suited to the man who owned him.
Has it occured to you that you might be a bit on the heavy side for a horse that size?
No.Most of our horses are under 15 hands and have good bone and big feet. Unlike modern day quarter horses.
Pat have you ever had any up dates on Larry.
This guy, is hoping he ca outlast you 😂
Beating a coworker with a rod, is what this is.
Wow, a lot of judgement about this horse. Sad to see. Where is the understanding?
Is that a 9ft lead rope?
12 foot
Prob the spurs. I am not so brave. I got bending in the middle bucked when I forgot i had spurs on.... and had spurs on a green broke horse.
That'll make you more aware of how you use the spurs. Keeps you honest. 😉
No glory in fixing horses for us . For the sake of the Horse the Horseman Toils
Just need more clarification. By " brace" do you mean not willing to move when you ask? Or is there more to it?
That is what he means. Yes they will lock up and not move when they brace. If they are bracing against a bit, they are basically holding their ground with their tongue while you are pulling back.
A horse can brace with one foot or another single part of his body. Roping, groundwork, and working with the flag addresses each brace that is encountered.
@@cg5434 thank you! Appreciate your reply!
Are you freaking kidding me
little to much with the flag of cource hes going to back away omg
Can you put your bet on Pinterest
Pat, there are 3 or 4 times when it looks like the horse is reaching to bite your foot.. (while you were riding at 17:45 ) . This horse does seem to be very aggressive for a horse "that has already been ridden". The pushing episode from 7:30 all the way to 10:45 is like a pre teen kid just seeing what he can get away with, definitely a test of what you would accept from him. At 17:48 he definitely was thinking about bucking you off.. It is easy to see why the owner brought him to you. This is not a horse for an inexperienced rider.
Larry didn't quite work out !
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should honestly be using A click or something to send the horse off, not just beating it with the plastic back in its flank. looks very counter productive.
We prefer to teach our horses to move off of a feel rather than using a mechanical device. It’s difficult to use a clicker when one hand is on the reins and the other is roping.
Interesting color on that horse. I've heard paint horses are spookier. Does that statement hold any water in your opinion, Mr. Pat?
Apart from the hat, the old man wore an old, dusty JBL Stetson, Pat reminds me so much of my grandfather who was a famous horseman outside of Calgary. He used the flags plus a half snake whip for what he said was sound training. He loved his horses and refused to allow his men to wear Spanish spurs. He believed that the only time for spurs was around the corrals and working herds. This goofy horse, Larry, reminds me of a character I had who would plant himself and refuse to walk forward. I had to start him out in a tight circle. This came to an end one sad when my grandmother who was a champion barrel racer jumped on him one day with a short willow switch.
Connie Kempf One of the nicest horses we’ve ever had and the sire to our sorrel bridle horse, Gypsy, was a paint. I don’t think they’re spookier but then again, any time you breed for color above anything else, you might run into disposition problems. Somebody told me that all paint horses can trace their lineage back to a ornery paint pony 😆 So there you have it. A definite maybe!
@@PatnDebPuckett Amen...Blinded by color....
@@PatnDebPuckett Well, I've got a paint filly, AND she has a glass eye. I guess she oughta be a doozy then!😉
If you ever run across Clint Anderson ' s book, Downunder Horsemanship, one of the horses in that was also a pretty paint with a glass eye. It was a new rider/ green horse combo, and that mare had the owner's number for sure. Plus a saddle fit problem which they had to address. (The other was one of those scary warmbloods Deb was talking about elsewhere in the comments lol)
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your really pissing off a nice horse what a shame
Pretty horses are the worst usually spoilt and babied.
He sure isnt a happy horse that tail says it all. He may have been rode before but control wasn't a part of that ride. He sure acts pissy !
I was wondering about that tail, interesting for me to learn about horses here, because I just have a herd of cats who flick their tails when they're pissed too ~!
i dont see how any behavioral problems were addressed in this session at all. i do agree with a lot of elements in this video (i.e. taking it out and allowing it to experience more “wet saddle blankets”) but at the end of this video i see the same apprehensive, shut-down horse. i had an appaloosa who, at 15 years old, acted quite like this paint. all his little quirks and issues dissipated once he was only given clear signals with obvious intent and a patient rider who was gentle (but not coddling him). this horse seems confused and i think thats why he acted the way did. throwing his head up and balking when you’re trying to send him forward is a refusal, yes, but i don’t think he understood some of your aids. lastly, while desensitizing should start long before backing a horse, i think he was introduced to that noisy tarp flag before it was safe to do so. i wouldn’t recommend this method of training to an inexperienced person, is what im saying. you do a great job desensitizing and training most horses, but you seem too reliant on blatant physical cues you get from the horse and i haven’t seen a science-backed reason as to why. i think a novice horseperson would get too caught up in trying to imitate your methods and i doubt it would end well. thank you for the video, though! it was mighty informative
So are you suggesting that you would have stayed in the roundpen even longer? I will say that nothing we do is science backed. It is 50 years of experience backed though. I will also point out that a novice horseman probably wouldn’t be working a horse like this one but would hone his or her skill with a gentler horse with less history. The proof will be in the pudding. Stay tuned and watch Larry’s progress with our unscientific approach! 😉
@@PatnDebPuckett Apparently Olivia expected an instant change, from being a putz to understanding everything and doing everything with a smile on his face in one lesson. LOL I saw much "on the road to improvement" here. It takes as long as it takes, and appreciate your horse sense immensely!
well throughout your video there wasnt much release of pressure, which i think makes for a horse with lots of pent-up stress. and that was evident with the way he acted under saddle...you emphasize ground work as a means of communication and getting things ironed out before riding a problem horse, so why didnt you actually wait until his issues were solved on the ground before moving to riding larry? your actions in this video contradict your whole training theory, imo. and while i think experience matters, and a well seasoned trainer is likely better than one who’s not...its a massive red flag that you dismiss science due to your experience. any trainer has holes in their methods that could be complemented with other facts or theories. there are a thousand ways to train a horse or fix some problem, but not many of those ideas are truly efficient. im merely suggesting that there may be a better solution, or way to get your point across. (also, for someone who boasts about being smarter than the average bear, riding a strange problem horse with spurs? not too wise, i think.) i used to enjoy watching your videos, and picking apart things that have worked for me too, but this video was different. especially seeing pat kick and kick and kick without any change in larry’s response, until he began biting at his rider’s legs and humping up to buck. that’s not efficient in training terms, safe for the rider, or kind to the horse. he didn’t learn anything from that besides that your cues were confusing and relentless. that’s all :)
@@olivialafleur Olivia, the horse is 7 years old. He's supposed to be finished by now. He's spoiled as hell and is dangerous. Pat probably has 3 months to get this horse to a point where he has to learn his job before being handed back to a human who will likely screw the horse back up again. Pat's releases were right on the mark. He's working very fast with the horse, but make no mistake, those releases are resonating with that horse a lot more and quicker than you are comfortable with. The horse's brain is currently spinning and fatigued because his whole paradigm is being shot out of the water. And it needs to be. Pat's telling him exactly where he needs to be and this horse has been living 7 years of a resistant pushy reality. The horse is in a badly needed BOOT CAMP. He can't take another 7 years to put the horse on the psychiatrists couch to work out his "issues." He's going to be a happier horse in 3 months who knows his job, has skills, and enjoys doing his job.
Greetings all. Initially I was a dislike and almost an unsubscriber and some time later read the various points of view expressed, including a reply by the owner that the horse was returned and opinied as dangerous. I only see these youtube things periodically and briefly, but have been intrigued with this one. I see on 4 Oct 2019 Pat indicated that he was person #3 to handle the horse (!) and his brief was inter alia, to have the horse long enough to make a gentle handy horse ... the man that owns it needs something that he can get on and ride ... and needs to be able to rope off it ... that Pat needs to make this horse really gentle ... teach it about space ... not to be pushy. There is a palo alto polo thing on youtube where Tommy Wayman speaks about schooling ponies for polo and expresses the view each horse is different; each position on the field needs a special type of horse; ponies schooled to lightness are born with it; they either got it or they don't; sometimes under the pressure and stress that some ponies just shut down. I bow to their greater experience and knowledge. It seems to me as an observer sitting on the fence that Pat given his brief was of the opinion, that this horse did not have "it" to satisfy the requirements of the brief. His brief and his call. I accordingly clicked the dislike off and the like on and remain not only subcribed but subject to the flu-king virus doin' the rounds aim to be sitting on the fence over at Mt Pleasant. Enjoyed the conversation tally ho.
Larry don't like you.
Me thinks you humanize the horse too much. He's learning to trust Pat, and will soon understand Pat is worthy of it.
Larry doesn't like the reality he's being taught. He'll get over it and learn to see Pat as his herd leader.
You don't trust him~ horse does not trust you!....Flags are stupid.
When you pick a fight with a horse over something the horse doesn't know and treat that horse like it's being belligerent, you're gonna get a fight. Donkey day my @$$. The horse didn't know what to do so it got spurred and whacked. Good horsemanship this isn't. Sorry but there are far better ways to start a horse. I'd call this low level brutality. Nearly 50 years in the horse business tells me this isn't good. If you'd take the time to see things from the horse's perspective you just might take a different path.
Matt Taimuty this horse is 7. He’s been allowed to “go his own way.” Undoing bad behavior looks different than starting with a fresh slate. That’s what I’ve gleaned in 3 years.
Matt, the horse is 7. He should be finished by now. Pat explained that he didn't start the horse and somebody else started him. The horse was inadvertently trained to be resistant and not to go forward. That's why Pat gets out the quirt and gets him forward. The horse gets a release when he gets his butt forward. Horses that are babied and coddled in their first rides when they are resistant to go forward become dangerous horses. They get very good at bucking. Getting Larry forward and past the point of resistance quickly is the kindest thing Pat could do for him. The bad news is that Pat can get this horse going really good, but if he gets handed off to somebody who re-sets the old habit, it'll all go to hell in a hand basket again. Larry will get past the resistance, he'll learn that learning exists, and he'll settle into his job where he can win. Pat keeps telling the horse where he can win. Larry will find winning through repetition and consistency.
I can’t stand to see anymore of this crap. You seem to b creating more problems than fixing them. Unsubscriber.
The decades of experience that Pat has with these magnificent creatures shows. I started with a hackamore under Ed Connell as a teenager in the early 60s and have been privileged to work with some of the greats in my sixty years in the saddle and a devotee of the Spanish and Californio systems. These men and women all agreed that there is a time for an assertive approach focusing on setting boundaries and discipline rather than cuddling and cuchy-cooing the horsey. I would ride for Pat any day. Responsible hands need not always be gentle. Kids, dogs, horses don’t learn how to be partners by having it defined to them. You Ma’am better stick to backyard pets.
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Storm Rider, Dear Sir. I too have been training horses since the 60’s n have had the privilege of working with show judges n top trainers. I too don’t believe in coddling my horses but I also don’t believe in confusing them. Asking one thing n expecting another. I have had great results with my horses. To each his own.
Seriously? This man is completely fair and very black and white as it should be. Love these clips. Bye bye unsubscriber.
Barbara Greene well there go. These are not show horses. He is what horses are all about. And Very very clear.
anne dacus just so you know we have a big ranch n use our horses to round up cattle, sort cattle, rope off our horses, drag up baby calves to weight some of them n tag them. We can hobble our horses n shoot off of them if something is wanting to eat us, so don’t tell me what I know n don’t know. Everyone has an opinion n that was mine.