ALL CIVS Ranked for MULTIPLAYER Civ 6 (BBG 6.0)

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  • @jdeg6229
    @jdeg6229 Місяць тому +199

    This is golden content, make more tier lists please (wonders, pantheons, religions beliefs, etc.)

    • @ashtonday5313
      @ashtonday5313 Місяць тому +3

      Agreed I love tier lists

    • @조정웅-q2v
      @조정웅-q2v Місяць тому +1

      I second this

    • @shadowmate733
      @shadowmate733 Місяць тому +3

      Pantheons can’t really have a tier list, due to the fact that most pantheons are extremely start dependent.

    • @ArteMarie56
      @ArteMarie56 Місяць тому

      You can find a wonder tier list on CPL by just looking up “wonder tier list” in the search bar on CPL lol

  • @ZhifeiLiuSigmaLiu
    @ZhifeiLiuSigmaLiu Місяць тому +12

    The insane thing on Dutch is that when playing on lakes or primitive, it is really easy to find places with two tile wide long lakes or straits, and the adjacencies of Polders starts pouring in right at feudalism, and the stats starts exploding. And they has one of the most consistent district adjacency in the game that makes their inland settles good as well, which a lot other naval civs cannot do in these maps.

  • @pibble9207
    @pibble9207 Місяць тому +95

    Herson if you read this comment, you must play Phoenicia and make a Phoenicia civ spotlight

    • @Alexander-i6i
      @Alexander-i6i Місяць тому +1

      she aint good...

    • @Alexander-i6i
      @Alexander-i6i Місяць тому +11

      ok I regret saying that

    • @JerameyDang
      @JerameyDang Місяць тому +1

      @@Alexander-i6i She is ok, just map dependent. you need to settle many cities on Dido

  • @yetitobediscovered
    @yetitobediscovered Місяць тому +4

    1:17:30 for Australia, they should give back the pastures buff and make it so Land Down Under doesn't kick in until after Feudalism (or something around this timeframe) so he isn't nearly as good opening campuses in teamers but is relevant in ffa again because of the pasture ability.

  • @snman147
    @snman147 Місяць тому +6

    Thank you for the effort. Also very appreciated that you explain a lot on how to play those civs and why you rank them where you do, instead of just slapping them on the tier list in 10 minutes.

  • @kuramkarameruk
    @kuramkarameruk Місяць тому +41

    J in Jadwiga reads like Y in yeti and 'w' reads like 'v'.

  • @belltowersubductions5104
    @belltowersubductions5104 Місяць тому +2

    One mad combo you can pull off is Inca + earth goddess pantheon, since mountain tiles will give you +1 faith by default.

  • @AliceIOT-UG
    @AliceIOT-UG Місяць тому

    Well done Herson. Very clear and well presented.

  • @akejron1
    @akejron1 Місяць тому +4

    how to do Eleanor:
    step 1 get a couple of cities in the face of enemy.
    step 2 build 1-2 entertainment + theaters
    step 3 fill in the slots and maximize pop
    step 4 launch ferment unrest with spies to decrease loyalty + circus and bread project(s) which decrease loyalty per pop of the city.
    Repeat until flipped.
    step 5 optionally - neutralize governor to remove loyalty bonuses.

    • @azu1394
      @azu1394 9 годин тому

      this would probably get you slaughtered in mp

    • @akejron1
      @akejron1 7 годин тому

      @azu1394 on a herson level probably. Below it? I am not so sure. Especially, that war is so inefficient.

  • @Vladimir5024
    @Vladimir5024 Місяць тому

    Yeah, Nzinga Mbande the S tier one was my first civ i played in ffa bbg. Got an amazing start. Got my hands on multiple wonders as well, got insane commercials and trade routes thanks to great merchants. And just when I wanted to skyrocket with the Mbanzas and the great works I got rekt by Saladin Sultan and his insane military bonuses. Guy was last score wise the entire game I thought he was a complete novice. Jokes on me when i became the absolute worst civ with only 4 cities left and he got 2nd place by taking all the good stuff of mine over :D

  • @frogvie3624
    @frogvie3624 Місяць тому +2

    2:33:40 mont saint michael lmao I am never pronouncing it any other way again

  • @x1x1x1x2
    @x1x1x1x2 Місяць тому

    4:01:25 listening to this in the background while doing other stuff and it's funny I hear this knowing about the video after this lmao.

  • @ichifish
    @ichifish Місяць тому +5

    Question for the community: does the BBG mod work in single player or multiplayer with AI? How does the AI deal with the changes? Thanks!

  • @ale6o
    @ale6o Місяць тому +39

    minute gang, herson smells like skunk and ball sweat

  • @wolfmaster6113
    @wolfmaster6113 Місяць тому +24

    I don't play BBG, but I've looked at all the changes and the design philosophy of early war seems really mixed. Most civs that are good in early war (Shaka for example) seem to have their war bonuses heavily nerfed or delayed, plus they have very few sim bonuses, but then Drums of War being added gives me the impression they DO want to encourage early wars. I understand that getting steamrolled in the first 50 turns probably sucks to experience, but having pre-Industrial era war be almost completely unviable (at least, the impression I get from you is that it is) doesn't seem fun either.
    Do you think early wars should be buffed in some way? Why or why not?

    • @larfee5191
      @larfee5191 Місяць тому +1

      It's literally never worth it in the base game even what are you talking about ?

    • @wolfmaster6113
      @wolfmaster6113 Місяць тому +19

      @@larfee5191 Right. I'm just curious as to why they added something like Drums of War which adds an incentive to early war, and then nerfs civs that could benefit from it. I don't think I've ever seen someone pick Drums of War. Hence my question.

    • @flashrabbit9
      @flashrabbit9 Місяць тому +5

      Early war should get huge buffs. you can never win when you go early war in competitive multilayer civ every game is just sim

    • @ericwallace1484
      @ericwallace1484 Місяць тому +24

      When discussing several of the different early unique units, Herson touched on how they still have use in a teams game despite not being relevant to FFA, as there is a lot more merit to early wars in the former. In that format, even if a war is likely to just become a forever war after a while, it isn't disastrous because it just expends some resources from both teams, and thus doesn't crush your ability to win relative to the lobby like what happens in FFA. Even a forever war in teamers can be a winning play if you ruin the game of the best enemy simmer. In that format, the early war bonuses do have use cases, especially on a civ that can supplement it with a good timing on a UU or civ/leader ability.
      On the other hand, the reality of FFA games is that for early wars to be viable, the aggressor has to know without a doubt that the defender will be unable to effectively fight back, as otherwise they are doomed to fall behind the peaceful members of the lobby. Since catching someone unawares is nigh impossible with your military strength displayed to the world constantly, to have that level of certainty in your success the bonuses to early war would need to be insurmountable for those without them. However, this level of buffing would simply not be a healthy addition to the game.
      All in all, I think that while early war has no place in FFA games, the various bonuses available for it have relevance in teamers and thus are fine to leave as is, as there isn't really a version of them that both fits in FFA and has fair effects.

    • @codetime01
      @codetime01 Місяць тому +10

      Might be a shock to you, but bbg is balanced around teamers, not ffa. Drums was added because in teamers, you pick civs who's entire purpose is to push early game, even at a complete cost to their own game. Most of the time you don't even kill the enemy, just bring them down to your level and wait for your teammate to clean up

  • @mj42644
    @mj42644 Місяць тому +6

    Only thing I really disagreed with was Genghis that low.
    "Casual rushing" to Keshigs without more than 1 campus on 5 city com hub open will still almost always work. 1 Turn chariots in a few cities for a few turns before stirrups and bam you're 500 mil score before making Keshigs and they guy you attack is going to defend with knights or spears and gets rolled. You have cap chance on the knights, and spears are too weak. 5ish turn window before they get up pikes or crossbows and it can get hard, but around then is when your spy goes up. After like 8 Keshigs transition back to sim or keep spamming to kill a second person.
    Strongest medieval timing in the game and a pretty reliable second or third place. Its definitely bad pick if you're highest rated in the lobby and need to play for first though.
    The war timing is just so strong and undefendable that you can work to it sort of casually and be in a better position off the easy medieval kill.

    • @chessguy99
      @chessguy99 Місяць тому +3

      The war timing is only strong if your target doesn't rush military tactics. You can have military tactics faster than Mongols can have stirrups. Also, you can't have pre-builds for keshigs, while the defender can pre-build pikemen. If you have a target that doesn't rush military tactics with a nearby Genghis that isn't their friend, they were probably going to die to any better simming civ at ballistics anyways. The player just isn't good. Good players regularly stop Mongols, which is why it isn't all that popular of a FFA choice. You pick Mongols, you are counting on finding a nearby weak player. Any nearby weak player that can be killed by Mongols, can be killed faster later at ballistics, with the bonus of maybe 1-2 more cities to capture.
      Now in team games, Mongols are prized for their ability to horse rush with mass horsemen and a general. The team feeding horses to Genghis is very hard to deal with because of the volume and the early strength of the Mongol Horde ability compared to normal classical units.
      Also, strongest medieval timing is Poland. You can have Winged Hussars as fast as other civs can have knights. A industrial era strength unit at medieval timing is insane, the only challenge is making enough comm hubs to have the gold for upgrades. But, Poland has that unique market that fits right in with the strategy.

    • @JerameyDang
      @JerameyDang Місяць тому

      @@chessguy99 With Mongol on my border, I would have to do everything to get spy, printing and pikeman . Unless you are like long term friends with them, sure Mongols will kill you but at a huge cost to players who can counter them

  • @tindekappa9047
    @tindekappa9047 Місяць тому +1

    There's an ad break every 5 minutes. So there's literally 100 ad breaks in this video. 2 ads on average= 200 ads.

  • @loopuleasa
    @loopuleasa Місяць тому

    Love tierlists
    I loved Papa Chillin's tierlist, I learned a ton from it
    Time to upgrade my priors with a Herson Certified Tierlist now

  • @TongChen-v5b
    @TongChen-v5b Місяць тому +3

    can you also do tier list for teamers?

  • @hitchikerspie
    @hitchikerspie Місяць тому +5

    I thought colonial taxes didn’t work with Dido moved capital since it was “original” capital

    • @aslaans.5654
      @aslaans.5654 Місяць тому +1

      Idk about bbg but in unmodded, casa AND colonial taxes works when you move your capital to a city on another continent. It’s bonkers

    • @mj42644
      @mj42644 Місяць тому +3

      a bit misleading, but that wording was meant for civs that lost their original capital.

    • @ale6o
      @ale6o Місяць тому +6

      The reason it specifies “original capital” is because on any other Civ, if your original capital is conquered, a new city becomes your capital. The Dido bonus changes your ORIGINAL capital, which is why you get the bonuses

    • @hitchikerspie
      @hitchikerspie Місяць тому

      Thanks all for the clarification!

  • @Fatdaddyrayray
    @Fatdaddyrayray Місяць тому +4

    PLAY BASIL II please! Nobody has any content with him.

  • @КАЧ-о3ш
    @КАЧ-о3ш Місяць тому +5

    Dido question. Are you sure that moving capital will trigger all those split continents bonuses. Wonders and cards specifically have mention your original capita.

    • @HersonCiv
      @HersonCiv  Місяць тому +13

      I just thought that was how it worked, and after double checking I realized that I was wrong. Casa de Contratacion and Colonial Taxes both specify that they work based on your original capital, so changing your capital via Dido's ability doesn't do anything.

    • @lucjanl1262
      @lucjanl1262 Місяць тому

      ​@@HersonCiv straight up spreading misinformation online

    • @Timby_
      @Timby_ Місяць тому +1

      @@HersonCivthis is so sad :(

    • @andreasnymand8679
      @andreasnymand8679 Місяць тому +5

      @@HersonCiv If i'm not completely mistaken, the move capital project of Dido moves what the game calls the "original capital", and as such both Colonial Taxes and Casa de Contratación work with Dido. The "Original capital" part of those cards are with regards to any civ getting a new capital when their original capital is conquered, but the Dido project moves the "Original capital"

  • @Bona-st7go
    @Bona-st7go Місяць тому

    damn he really taking his time on ramses half the video for one leader XD

  • @roslee4142
    @roslee4142 26 днів тому

    Quite fun to watch hope you make tier list without bbg.

  • @arminkozek1736
    @arminkozek1736 Місяць тому

    Australia before the nerf was easily s++ tier

  • @MenwithHill
    @MenwithHill Місяць тому +2

    FOUR HOUR TIER LIST LET'S FREAKING GOOOOOO

  • @TheShourdedLord
    @TheShourdedLord Місяць тому

    I was just wishing for an updated list!

  • @godfreyofbouillon966
    @godfreyofbouillon966 18 хвилин тому

    I wonder if they plan to rebalance it in a way that so many pre-industrial UUs would become relevant again. But then again, FFA is not the only game mode, probably there's no need to balance everything around it.

  • @asraarradon4115
    @asraarradon4115 Місяць тому

    Konge just means King. I believe it's said like Kunga, but I'm not 100%. I just say King when I talk about that leader.

  • @marvinr8280
    @marvinr8280 Місяць тому

    As a german, this is an easy question to answer.

  • @Manuel-pk9fp
    @Manuel-pk9fp Місяць тому

    Thaaaanks man :)

  • @Walpurgisnackt
    @Walpurgisnackt Місяць тому

    I'm curious what buffs you'd do to the civs that need it if it was up to you. That might be a fun video

  • @disanturabaikunekrecia9266
    @disanturabaikunekrecia9266 Місяць тому

    about to crush my unsuspected friends in a FFA. thanks absolute chad!

  • @micheleinsisa8791
    @micheleinsisa8791 Місяць тому +1

    Leta ducking GOOOOOO

  • @godfreyofbouillon966
    @godfreyofbouillon966 6 годин тому

    It looks like you cant upgrade warrior/swordsman to janissary anymore with BBG

  • @blackleon1708
    @blackleon1708 Місяць тому

    What a treat. A lot of knowledge

  • @christopherjohnson1873
    @christopherjohnson1873 Місяць тому

    Doesn't BBG also nerf the religious pressure that Byzantium gives when it kills units?

  • @thomaswenz5081
    @thomaswenz5081 Місяць тому

    What is the most optimal build order for free sim Ludwig? Full greed and decent land

  • @zhihaihu9981
    @zhihaihu9981 Місяць тому

    Can you make a norway video, really interest in that civ these day

  • @Nills_Holgersson
    @Nills_Holgersson Місяць тому

    LETS GO

  • @thomaslercari3886
    @thomaslercari3886 Місяць тому +2

    Play Gaul?

  • @bangbangyoureaboolean1324
    @bangbangyoureaboolean1324 Місяць тому

    Gran Columbia nerfed into oblivion.

  • @marqolinho
    @marqolinho Місяць тому +1

    Please do a duel civ tier list!!

  • @Mr95noodles
    @Mr95noodles Місяць тому

    Smelling a banger here

  • @DimaErmakov97
    @DimaErmakov97 Місяць тому

    I love sandro

  • @bye1551
    @bye1551 Місяць тому

    Genuinely so sad they massacred one of my favourite civs in Colombia. Feels like a definite over-nerf imo. Not having the +1 movement to civilian units anymore, having to wait for the bonus and considering how much haciendas suck, he's basically worthless. Comandantes are literally just great generals. When everyone else can earn your only worthwhile unique bonus, there's a genuine question why you're even in the game at that point. Imo they could definitely give back the movement to civilian units at political philosophy and military units from the start of the game. Montezuma exists, Chandra Gupta exists, war civs without simming bonus in general need some help and they completely destroyed one of the only decent ones.

    • @froyocrew
      @froyocrew 23 дні тому +1

      Yeah honestly i think its not that strong and the movement is the crucial part of his kit

  • @beraor4296
    @beraor4296 Місяць тому

    (gengis being lower than the other war civ is hella sus)

  • @jackofspad3s454
    @jackofspad3s454 Місяць тому

    What is the difference between BBS and BBM? I’ve not been able to tell which one is used

    • @matebodo2685
      @matebodo2685 Місяць тому

      Better Balanced Starts and Better Balanced Maps

    • @beraor4296
      @beraor4296 Місяць тому +1

      BBM is better, bbs is no longer supported (last update was 2.5 years ago).
      BBM doesnt have a changelog yet but globally civ biaises up to date, city center yields options and such.

  • @M.O.M.I
    @M.O.M.I Місяць тому +2

    1st Civ France " +6 from spies is generic and isn't great "
    2nd Civ " Byzantium gets a +6 from converting a willing religion founder and OMG ITSCRAZYSTRONG "

    • @sirtealot
      @sirtealot Місяць тому +2

      Because the window for utilizing the +6 bonus from the spy is fairly tight, it only lasts until whoever you're targeting gets their own spy on you. While Byzantium bonus stays for pretty much the whole game once you've managed to convert the cities.

    • @asraarradon4115
      @asraarradon4115 Місяць тому

      The +6 Byzantium can be stacked with the combat bonus from diplo vis from a spy too. It's not like diplo vis is unique to France, so it is pretty generic. They are just slightly better at it.

  • @kopra_virallinen
    @kopra_virallinen Місяць тому

    New drinking game idea: You drink every time Herson says "ummm".

    • @frogvie3624
      @frogvie3624 Місяць тому +1

      have you ever talked for 4 hours without using filler words

  • @leSmokySmoke
    @leSmokySmoke 22 дні тому

    I love civ 6, and I would love to play online with others.. but I think so many things of the Better balance mod are so terrible for the spirit of the game.
    I LOVE, truly love, all the buffs made to bad civs here. but I HATE some of the VERY strange ideas on how to nerf strong civ.. so often completely taking away their identity, like removing the +1 move to units from Simón Bolívar or Hammurabi completely losing its identity.. Khmer not beeing fun not gaining much from placing Holys next to rivers which IS diffrent than other civs and therefore fun.. where here it is barely worth it by loosing so much adjacency just for 1 food..
    Mali my fsvorite civ completely losing its identity for No reason when people already say its pretty Bad. But giving me only 1 faith instead of my 5 is Just a bummer making it instantly not fun anymore
    I would LOVE a version of this mod that ONLY and really ONLY has the buffs to the "Bad" civs..
    because I think the more diverse and strong civs are the more fun you can have with games turning out REALLY different and sway you in a specific playstyle.

  • @migilobi
    @migilobi Місяць тому

    Does anyone here know if there is a UA-camr that covers multiplayer bbg civ 6 content like this?

  • @Alexander-i6i
    @Alexander-i6i Місяць тому

    Agreed

  • @DavidSievers
    @DavidSievers 2 дні тому

    it's not in alphabetical order? We sure about that?

  • @protpvp1
    @protpvp1 Місяць тому

    it's techs or civics not techs and civics

  • @haoxus9413
    @haoxus9413 Місяць тому +1

    Would it be possible to have a vanilla tier list, so I can play an OP civ to flex on me friends

    • @David-rh7is
      @David-rh7is Місяць тому +7

      Any religious civ plus work ethic. If work ethic not allowed, half the religious civs are broken

    • @frogvie3624
      @frogvie3624 Місяць тому

      there’s lots of other creators with vanilla tier lists

    • @samuelconnolly347
      @samuelconnolly347 Місяць тому

      Babylon or Basil vanilla is absolutely nuts - you'll steamroll anyone.

    • @SC.KINGDOM
      @SC.KINGDOM Місяць тому

      ​@David-rh7is you think work ethic is op? It's 2 mines.... go play cpl nonsense mods

    • @SC.KINGDOM
      @SC.KINGDOM Місяць тому

      ​@@samuelconnolly347 😂😂😂 casual noob

  • @Flame2X
    @Flame2X Місяць тому +2

    O:

  • @purpleguy2234
    @purpleguy2234 Місяць тому +2

    :0

  • @aba9502
    @aba9502 Місяць тому

    is there a way to make the bbm work in single player? Please i wanna play it in singleplayer 😭

    • @MenwithHill
      @MenwithHill Місяць тому +11

      Isn't it just like, a mod? You can just play it.

    • @danmiy12
      @danmiy12 Місяць тому +6

      just install it, bbg and bbm both work with single ppl vs ai.

    • @chessguy99
      @chessguy99 Місяць тому

      When you start in a game, click the in-game menu(upper righthand corner). At the bottom is a box that shows what content is being used in the game, DLC packs and mods. Any mod that you have enabled should show up in that list and thus will be used in that game. I don't particularly like the intrusiveness of the pop-ups in the single player game and play multiplayer local network game with AI as the other players to get the single player experience of the game.

    • @beraor4296
      @beraor4296 Місяць тому

      The only "multiplayer mod" that doesnt work in singleplayer is multiplayer helper for obvious reasons

  • @lkskstr
    @lkskstr Місяць тому

    o7

  • @havelthesock
    @havelthesock Місяць тому +1

    What do you mean it's not alphabetical?
    It's alphabetical except in situations where there are 2 leaders because those are at the end.
    C-C-C-C-C-D-E-F-G-G-G-G...

    • @TuRTLe-CrepZdar
      @TuRTLe-CrepZdar Місяць тому +1

      Then why is Alexander almost after Wilhelmina?

    • @havelthesock
      @havelthesock Місяць тому

      ​​​@@TuRTLe-CrepZdar It seems to have A and B after Wilhemina for some reason. Abraham-Alexander-Aminatore-Ba Treu and then alternate leaders afterwards. So it's alphabetical, but it starts at C Instead of A

  • @wordshurt2676
    @wordshurt2676 Місяць тому

    Uhmm

  • @g.r.4372
    @g.r.4372 Місяць тому

    The game

  • @Jschmel
    @Jschmel Місяць тому

    barracks pronounced bear-icks not bar-racks

    • @Oudri125
      @Oudri125 Місяць тому +5

      He doesn't pronounce things very well in general lol but I think it's ragebait mostly

    • @cannoniere14
      @cannoniere14 Місяць тому

      he did fix casa de contratacion

  • @johnnycashless4758
    @johnnycashless4758 Місяць тому +2

    sleeping viewer content . why not make a 20 min tldr

    • @beraor4296
      @beraor4296 Місяць тому +2

      ooga booga civ bader, boat civ bad, sim city civ good, pink sim city civ gooder

  • @hystatic
    @hystatic Місяць тому +3

    Watched just to see how bad he could mess up. I was sure it was gonna be good after he put Julius and Shaka as below average with brazil in Meta defining.
    Edit: Did this guy seriously just put Teddy-BM in strong. As in Above GAUL and SPAIN.

    • @dashyz3293
      @dashyz3293 Місяць тому +8

      teddy BM has a really fast CV and is a "free yields" enjoyer, allowing him to not need to make many builders. Spain is also not good in FFA, and this is an FFA tier list.

    • @oliverlu442
      @oliverlu442 Місяць тому +21

      U better show ur cpl ffa rankings b4 talking like this

    • @eriknovak496
      @eriknovak496 Місяць тому +3

      I assume next up you're gonna say Qin Unifier is your fav leader, right?

    • @hystatic
      @hystatic Місяць тому +1

      @@dashyz3293 FYI - I am trolling. I didn't even watch the video. Just picked a comment from an old Tier list video that had some legendary comments because back then people didn't understand it was a BBG tierlist. Just wanted people to react and get Herson more views. ua-cam.com/video/lA8N8AH_Yio/v-deo.html
      That being said, your take that Spain is not good in FFA is straight up wrong. Cont split bias alone is OP. I am currently #19 on the HOF leaderboard and #9 in the current season so I think I know a little of what I am talking about.

    • @hystatic
      @hystatic Місяць тому

      @@oliverlu442 I'm sure it's higher than yours :)