Polly Archer the fbi standard comes from a 9mm fired in the 1987 miami shooting hitting the heart of a perp but just bouncing off and not penetrating. Before reaching the heart it went through the perpatrators denim jacket, into his arm, back through two more layers of denim, and then into his torso and right up to his heart, but again not having velocity to penetrate it. So in that shootout the denim jacket kept the perpetrator alive for a few more minutes during which he killed several fbi agents
The 44 magnum was truly impressive. I learned something today. Try that with 445 Supermag (a bigger 44 mag) but you need a Dan Wesson if you can find one. A moose or a big brown bear would not have a chance.
I shoot & reload the .44 magnum with B18 harness epoxy coated 240 gain SWC bullets out of my S&W 629 & Henry .44, nothing but fun for about $0.20¢ a round. Thanks for a great fun video.
340 gr hard cast is recommended for close encounters with in the grizzly and polar bear and other dangerous animals. I shot a coyote with it at over 75 yds and was totally surprised how it ground slide the dog. I did it with my 7.5 inch sbh ruger because my smitty's 29 dash 2 recommend that I shud never use any load over 240 gr.....
The videos in this channel are very educational, I always enjoy them and appreciate the knowledge. On a side note, is there anything like 38sp vs 9mm vs 45ACP for self defense in this channel?
There is, like most others but they don't go down the rabbit hole, like most others. They called it like it is, everything has its pluses and minuses and it'll be apple's and oranges... Each caliber and pistol (staying in a comparative category) has a purpose, effective "zone" for power, penetration and application and they discuss the persons doing the shooting and the situations they're in as being as much, if not more, the deciding factor as anything. They talk about "There is no best," only best for you." Your ability and need of application are better indicators of which you should pick. "9mm or .45ACP, which is the better defensive round" is a rhetorical question with no definitive answer because of their different capabilities. They're designed to do different things. Do you need an ice pick or a sledgehammer? That's why the ballistic geeks created stopping power VS lethality charts for everything, so people could figure out which round best fits their needs, not which is "best." Modern ammo with improved powder and projectiles, such as the Xtreme Penetrator and Defender as well as others by Hornady, etc. that have since followed in their footsteps have changed the game. The .380ACP (one of my favs) is now a "true contender" once again, delivering as much "punch" as the old, standard 9mm military rounds that we grew up with and with better penetration. I know I went on a bit (hazards of a retired weapons specialist) but, that's what you're going to find and is the best way to look at it... Which is better, the Ferrari or the pickup truck? lol. What are you trying to do? Look for their vids and those by Paul Harrel, too. They put forth unbiased, matter of fact vids that present the info so that *you* decide what you need, not some 9mm or .45ACP "fanboy," trying to convince the world of their misguided ways. Good luck 👍
Hopefully the underwood stuff is not as hot as the Bufallo Bore offerings. My Alsakan, RH, and SBH take the Bufallo Bore just fine but id be scared to try it on my 29
Shaped, solid copper... yeehaw. I stopped carrying HCL for the shaped copper and they'll go through and tear chunks out of things my HCL rounds broke up trying to get through.
excellent video, thank you. i would love to see some pig shootin with that SBR i was drooling over it in the first video you done and am waitin for its own video
The legendary handgun hunter, Elmer Keith, found by experience that hard cast bullets are most effective on big game. He had many years of practical experience and knew that they did the job.
You failed to mention that the lead has to be hard enough to withstand velocities over 1100 fps. When I was young and stupid (over 55 years ago) I started to reload. I reloaded some 38 Special wadcutter bullets that might have been cast or swedged. Swedged bullets are much softer than hard cast. After firing one cylinder, I noticed that the bullets were key-holing. Upon inspecting the barrel, I noticed that the lands and grooves were GONE! Actually, they were still there but because I loaded the rounds faster than 1100 fps, the bullets just skid across the lands and grooves and filled them with lead. A serious lesson was learned.
Awesome video! I got to meet Eric and Chad this year at the NRA convention! Two of the nicest most down to earth guys you could ever meet! Eric gave me a patch for my jacket and a Velcro patch he pulled off his own backpack! I was greatful and glad I got my pic made with these two UA-cam ledgends :-D
He has the left patch of HV-02 (Oslo og Akershus) and seeing that it is the new patch i would guess the jacket is surplus but the patches are probably sent/traded to him. i'm originally from norway, but moved to the US last year and a lot of american veterans/soldiers trade patches with soldiers overseas and on the internet especially TMBN patches :)
Hey Gentlemen, I first started watching you all when I needed some tips on restoring my newly purchased Mosin 91/30. You guys ALWAYS teach me something new and keep me laughing in the process! Thanks for another fun day in class. Grace & Peace
those 340 grain hard cast bullets are freaking runaway freight trains especially at +p+ pressures. I was shooting some jugs full of water with different bullets with my Ruger Redhawk and the JSP and HP were impressive as they exploded the jugs. The hard cast 340 gr. just punched a hole through the jug but left a huge hole in the ground behind the jug. Awesome videos like always.
***** There is a counter argument though. Likelihood of engagement versus the time spend with those rounds equipped. And if they're not equipped and ready to go, what's the point of having then stored since they won't be used when needed most.
***** There's nothing better than depleted uranium for projectiles. I don't think you can buy any for rifles though. There mustn't exist any ammo for handheld weaponry for a multitude of reasons including legal, environmental and security ones. Such ammo is used in cannons, 30mm and above I'd imagine
Fantastic shooting and scary impacts from those "old" cast rounds! Imagine the (final) surprise of someone underestimating them in a home/self defense situation? you'd be cleaning bits of intruder out of your walls for days!
The accuracy difference between a semi wadcutter cast and a jacketed hollow point or Flat Point would be interesting. Plus I would have like to seen if there was a difference of performance between jacketed and the cast lead bullets in the ballistic gel.
I can remember as a kid,( in the 70’s) my dad was always jumping out of the truck at intersections picking up tire weights to melt them down and cast bullets for the .44 and .38. The .44 was always my favorite (original Ruger super Blackhawk) because the mold was a conical armor piercing one and he loaded a bit hot but the fun levels were off the charts. Cool video.
1. It is not a Heimevernet [HV] (Home Guard) jacket - it's a standard Norwegian military jacket with a Home Guard velcro patch on it. 2. I do also want to know how he got that!
When my wifes mother died I helped clean out her home. Her deceased husband had been a police officer for many years. His reloading bench was like a time capsule from 1968. He had hundreds of cast bullets, mostly in .38. His go to round seemed to be semi wad cutter hollow points. We still have his J frame back up gun. It was loaded with them when we found it. I also found several boxes of handloaded wadcutters, about half of which were turned around backwards in the cases. Thats an old school hollow point for ya....
Actually work quite well if not driven too fast. At 38 Spl velocities, it expands well and has decent penetration. At 357 Mag velocities, they are virtually explosive and have very poor penetration. Not a bad choice, loaded near max for 38 Spl, especially in a snub nose.
@ Stoned................you're wrong. It's quite common to reverse a hollow base wadcutter and load it base out for a large hollowpoint. Quit trying to play expert when you clearly are wet behind the ears and in no way an expert.
Some 38 cal wad cutters had hollow bases to increase the bearing surface of the bullet. Some had an identical top and bottom. So the people talking about turning them upside down are talking about the hollow base ones.
By far this is the best video I have seen in a while! You guys rock, I love the fact that your content is unique, haven't seen too much on this. Keep these ballistic vids coming, stay safe stay healthy, wish you all the best!
They sell a cap and ball pistol kit at Cabelas for under $300 and I was thinking it would be a good Saturday killer to screw around with one. You don't have to go through any background checks or nothing! Just like buying a loaf of bread. And the power those things have. Loud, smoky, fire breathing beast. So much fun.
Are you aware that those 340 gr Underwood loads are way over max for that Model 29? I wouldn't want you to loosen up or wear out a nice handgun. For that matter they may not be safe in the Henry either. Great video otherwise.
It would be nice to do a side by side comparison of the heavy hard cast loads with the Underwood Extreme Penetrator ammo. I'm wondering how the wound channel and penetration would compare.
I carry 310 gr. Laser cast in Grizz country with full confidence I can make one sit down and behave if I have to but now I'm going to have to get some of those 340 gr. Underwoods...that was impressive.
I’ve cast thousands in 357mag 44 mag 45/70 and in pa.where I lived I had Honor of Guys from several gun clubs taught me tons of reloading and casting with linotype or printers lead, it hardens lead for serious fps in all calibers thanks for teaching youngens some good info
I...........cannot.imagine, being in battle, trying to get a piece of "rope" to light, lol Uh, Hold on enemy solider. the winds blowing too hard at the moment", haha
Awesome vid. Good to see you enjoy this sort of thing. With all the talk of penetration, inches, loads...sometimes I wonder how you keep a straight face through it all....
In Zimbabwe when they were working on allowing handgun hunting, some of the Game Warden guys there took hardcast bullet with core of hard metal. That proved very good on Elephant, zipped through, buffalo, and also for terrorist stopping. The .41 Mag and .44 Mag were the guns chosen to be test weapons for the trials. Trials went well and it is allowed there.
Very well done. Excellent testing. Watching you from the beginning Mosin Nagant days til' now, it's a relief to see this level of analysis and testing being done opposed to what everyone else is doing. It's lifestyle and passion opposed to attempting a half assed video to add to what we've already seen. Fantastic!
Underwood seems to have matched Buffalo Bore's 340 gr +p+ load, as they are virtually identical ballistically. And this is directly from Buffalo Bore's website, "We get hundreds of emails asking if this load can be fired in S&W revolvers or some firearm other than what is in the above list. The answer is NO. The above list is all inclusive."
+Captain Patchwork As long as you are not adding anything which would change the properties of the gel, or mixing different batches of gel together, it should not be an issue. It just seems incredibly wasteful to throw away the ballistics gelatin, just because it has some particulate in it, and I'm sure that reusing the blocks over and over again during shoots would affect the ballistics gelatin more than melting it down and re-pouring it into blocks.
That is one damn good idea, if it works. That ballistics gel is NOT cheap. With ease, you could skim, screen, and filter out almost all impurities when its melted. I wonder if it has to reach a specific temperature to set up with the same/correct firmness again? As long as it gels up at all, even if it isn't perfect quality, you would have a very valuable target. Might lose a little bit each usage, from the bullet damage, but why not recycle the gel into another awesomely dynamic target block! I bet you could make a machine that automatically melted down and reset your gel blocks.
+James Warner As long as you keep the gel under 250 degrees Fahrenheit, it should melt with ease, but it will take some time to get it fully melted. All you would have to do is cut the main block into smaller chunks, place it in a large stainless steel container like a big cooking pan, and set it in the oven at about 200 to 220 degrees, and just let it all sit in there until it fully melts, all the particulate would sink to the bottom, then all that would be left is once all the bubbles are gone, and it is fully melted, you could leave it in the container you are melting it in, let it cool completely, then once it is unmolded, take a piece of wire and just cut off the bottom part that contains all the particulate.
Eric is a busy man, it probably does not make financial sense for him to spend the time cleaning up and recasting the gel block. Probably easier for him to just huck it in the trash and wait for a sponsor to donate another block to the channel.
Had a moose charge & emptied my 44 redhawk loaded w 320 gr WFN hardcasts. All 5 went through the sternam, 4 through the heart & with the last round rolled off the snowmachine as it was coming down on me & blew threw both shoulders which knocked the moose over but even then it stumbled around 2 sleds & got back on the trail & collapsed. Found all 5 slugs just under the rear flank fur. 8 feet of penetration that did NOT knock the small moose down. The 6th through the shoulders shattered both shoulder joints to toothpicks & passed completely through. Use a 420 gr WFN Hard cast in my 45/70 @ 2100 FPS & it Thumps BIG bears HARD! DRILLED a 10 ft charging black bear @ 100 yards that hit him square in the chest & it just folded & slid to a stop. Found that slug at its rear flank just under the fur. Any bear shot from the side is also knocked over but ALL those 45/70 slugs just blow straight on through. As far as handguns go, retired the 44 & upgraded to the 454 Casull. Was NOT impressed w its (44) moose performance.
That captured 340gr that went through the gel and boards should have had a Mack Truck logo on the front of it lol. I still have 90% of a box of BTB 330gr WFNGC waiting on me to try them in my new Ruger M77/44. They were bought years ago for a 444 Marlin.
Not that it matters now 5 years later but just thought I should throw it out there that both underwood and buffalo bore recommend that the 340 grain +p+ loads are not fired out of a smith model 29 due to their much weaker actions compared to a Ruger Redhawk, super Redhawk, black hawk, dan Wesson m44, etc.. not hating on the 29 I have two vintage 29-2s that I love. Just warning anyone watching that both of these ammo manufactures say that the 340 grain +p+ hard cast is technically not safe in the smith model 29/629. Stay safe, shoot on.
Seeing as to how the bloodiest war in our national history was fought with pure lead bullets and here and there, buckshot, I have never been one to go overboard for jacketed bullets. It still kills as well as it ever did. Pure lead is the best transmitter of shock, with or without expansion. I keep autoloaders for when the crap hits the fan blades and maybe the only kind of ammo around is jacketed. Practice revolver ammo is harder cast to shoot cleaner and cheaper (range lead, wheelweights, etc.) But for serious purposes the sheet lead say, from the walls around the X-ray department, etc. is what I need for the best hitting power. Plenty of time to clean the gun after the cops give it back, unless they run it through the chop saw after the inquest.
Just don't down play the 45 Colt's performance by comparing it the 44 mag! 225 grain hollow points compared to 340 grain hard cast is not a fair comparison!
the old vaquero is a heavy frame revolver also was chambered in 44 mag ,i load a 300 gr xtp with a heavy charge of w296 mag powder into starline brass, chorngraph at 1180 fps it is well within the pressure range of a safe load but not for the new vaquero
I agree cast bullets are viable but you don’t want hard cast as your defense choice. Maybe for use on coyotes and unwanted feral critters but you need expansion to limit risk of over penetration. I like a soft SWC or TC bullet moving fast enough to deform.
+AlexanderSuperTramp no the ceramic plates are a two piece design. Ceramic layer breaks up bullet and the composite layer catches the fragments. But if you turn it around and shoot the backside it will be the composite layer in front and ceramic behind
I heard the old soft lead balls from the revolutionary War shattered bone and made gaping holes. Plus the primitive medical practices meant a flesh wound was probably fatal.
On lower velocity bullets like 38 special you can use soft cast. You get leading if you go faster than 900 fps. I use hard cast wad cutters in my j- frame even though I’m only doing 750 to 800. No problems with penetration even with a 380. I love these videos, because of my age I can no longer take the recoil from my old Colt Python with +p loads. Keep up the good work
But your videos are awesome and I'm always waiting for ur new ones to be posted. Sry if I sounded like a troll, but the thought always entered my mind when you guys do those certain tests. N e ways keep making ur videos! They're great!
I enjoy seeing the Golden Boy's getting some love from the IV8888 crew of late. That 44 is a hand cannon. Literally. Also, give the Underwood 38 Special +P 158 Grain HCK a try. You'll have a new found respect for what the old 38 is capable of. Great video guys!
The direction of the flag actually has a deeper meaning than that. It is a symbol of the soldier walking head on in headwind and difficulties, and that he does not take the path of lesser resistance :)
Great video on cast bullets, would love to see your casting setup and the results from your fabrication. Make that video, I'll bet the results would be awesome as well.
Oh, hold on, are you telling me that I've been strutting around wearing layers of denim and I was as vulnerable as everyone else?
Polly Archer the fbi standard comes from a 9mm fired in the 1987 miami shooting hitting the heart of a perp but just bouncing off and not penetrating. Before reaching the heart it went through the perpatrators denim jacket, into his arm, back through two more layers of denim, and then into his torso and right up to his heart, but again not having velocity to penetrate it.
So in that shootout the denim jacket kept the perpetrator alive for a few more minutes during which he killed several fbi agents
Ignorant swine
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@@andreahighsides7756 Shit, that's good news! We need way less tyrants.
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The 44 magnum was truly impressive. I learned something today. Try that with 445 Supermag (a bigger 44 mag) but you need a Dan Wesson if you can find one. A moose or a big brown bear would not have a chance.
I shoot & reload the .44 magnum with B18 harness epoxy coated 240 gain SWC bullets out of my S&W 629 & Henry .44, nothing but fun for about $0.20¢ a round. Thanks for a great fun video.
Wow!
That matchlock is unbelievable!
We need the BHN for the 45 hollow points please. That's a real killer!
Those, 340 gr Underwood loads, Look Great for those tough ol-hogs...Thanks for Posting the video, that looked fun. God Bless, Kevin.
love your work. Airgun article was fascinating. well done.
Yeah, definitely would like to see that video!
340 gr hard cast is recommended for close encounters with in the grizzly and polar bear and other dangerous animals. I shot a coyote with it at over 75 yds and was totally surprised how it ground slide the dog. I did it with my 7.5 inch sbh ruger because my smitty's 29 dash 2 recommend that I shud never use any load over 240 gr.....
That .44 mag demo out the S&W 29 is bananas.....wow. Question, do you think the same is possible out of a shorter barrel .44?
One thing you left out of the information and that is; what brand of powder and how many grains did you use?
The videos in this channel are very educational, I always enjoy them and appreciate the knowledge.
On a side note, is there anything like 38sp vs 9mm vs 45ACP for self defense in this channel?
There is, like most others but they don't go down the rabbit hole, like most others.
They called it like it is, everything has its pluses and minuses and it'll be apple's and oranges... Each caliber and pistol (staying in a comparative category) has a purpose, effective "zone" for power, penetration and application and they discuss the persons doing the shooting and the situations they're in as being as much, if not more, the deciding factor as anything.
They talk about "There is no best," only best for you." Your ability and need of application are better indicators of which you should pick. "9mm or .45ACP, which is the better defensive round" is a rhetorical question with no definitive answer because of their different capabilities. They're designed to do different things. Do you need an ice pick or a sledgehammer?
That's why the ballistic geeks created stopping power VS lethality charts for everything, so people could figure out which round best fits their needs, not which is "best."
Modern ammo with improved powder and projectiles, such as the Xtreme Penetrator and Defender as well as others by Hornady, etc. that have since followed in their footsteps have changed the game.
The .380ACP (one of my favs) is now a "true contender" once again, delivering as much "punch" as the old, standard 9mm military rounds that we grew up with and with better penetration.
I know I went on a bit (hazards of a retired weapons specialist) but, that's what you're going to find and is the best way to look at it... Which is better, the Ferrari or the pickup truck? lol. What are you trying to do?
Look for their vids and those by Paul Harrel, too. They put forth unbiased, matter of fact vids that present the info so that *you* decide what you need, not some 9mm or .45ACP "fanboy," trying to convince the world of their misguided ways. Good luck 👍
@@MtnBadger Thanks
yea I'd like to see the heat treating process for the bullets
I like Iraqveteran8888 .. very knowledgeable and wiling to share it.
I like this guy’s videos.
Hopefully the underwood stuff is not as hot as the Bufallo Bore offerings. My Alsakan, RH, and SBH take the Bufallo Bore just fine but id be scared to try it on my 29
I would like to see the hardening prossess.
that mares leg was nice! i need to get me one of those.
Shaped, solid copper... yeehaw. I stopped carrying HCL for the shaped copper and they'll go through and tear chunks out of things my HCL rounds broke up trying to get through.
Man I wish I could grow a coke bottle tree. Looks like fun.
I'm new to guns what doe BMG stand for i.e. 50 BMG for example
Browning Machine Gun, the gun that it was originally designed for.
And 50AE stands for Action-Express
Bravo Company Major Nelson browning machine gun and welcome to the gun world
excellent video, thank you. i would love to see some pig shootin with that SBR i was drooling over it in the first video you done and am waitin for its own video
The latest greatest thing with cast bullets is powder coating.
The legendary handgun hunter, Elmer Keith, found by experience that hard cast bullets are most effective on big game. He had many years of practical experience and knew that they did the job.
Keith 429421 ,44 at 267grains in front of 18 grains of 2400 lit off by CCI 350 primer. Took my first elk with one of them.
You failed to mention that the lead has to be hard enough to withstand velocities over 1100 fps. When I was young and stupid (over 55 years ago) I started to reload. I reloaded some 38 Special wadcutter bullets that might have been cast or swedged. Swedged bullets are much softer than hard cast. After firing one cylinder, I noticed that the bullets were key-holing. Upon inspecting the barrel, I noticed that the lands and grooves were GONE! Actually, they were still there but because I loaded the rounds faster than 1100 fps, the bullets just skid across the lands and grooves and filled them with lead. A serious lesson was learned.
true
Awesome video! I got to meet Eric and Chad this year at the NRA convention! Two of the nicest most down to earth guys you could ever meet! Eric gave me a patch for my jacket and a Velcro patch he pulled off his own backpack! I was greatful and glad I got my pic made with these two UA-cam ledgends :-D
really though UA-cam legends fit definitely going to remember the whole Iraqveteran8888 crew
Strange to see a HV(Norwegian home guard) uniform on an American. Surplus or some story behind it Iraqveteran8888?
im actually from norway :D
Eric often wears military jackets from different countries in videos
He has the left patch of HV-02 (Oslo og Akershus) and seeing that it is the new patch i would guess the jacket is surplus but the patches are probably sent/traded to him. i'm originally from norway, but moved to the US last year and a lot of american veterans/soldiers trade patches with soldiers overseas and on the internet especially TMBN patches :)
Works out quite well, even though its not pure socialism, luckily.
We are after all in top3 countries in the world.
You can see around 6:50 that the patch is in fact a HV-09 patch (Bergenhus)
Hey Gentlemen, I first started watching you all when I needed some tips on restoring my newly purchased Mosin 91/30. You guys ALWAYS teach me something new and keep me laughing in the process! Thanks for another fun day in class. Grace & Peace
I love the fact that you guys not just rely on ballistics gel, but actually use something that simulates a real body. Really, really nice!
those 340 grain hard cast bullets are freaking runaway freight trains especially at +p+ pressures. I was shooting some jugs full of water with different bullets with my Ruger Redhawk and the JSP and HP were impressive as they exploded the jugs. The hard cast 340 gr. just punched a hole through the jug but left a huge hole in the ground behind the jug. Awesome videos like always.
“That’s what she said”LOL.
You should have stepped up to 45-70 Govt. major mistake. Buffalo/Indian killer how in the hell could you not have had that bullet in this video?
agreed
Of a 44-40 because of how common it was
depleted uranium rounds are the deadliest ammo.
MEME STAR If you're in a position where their use is needed, radiation is the least of your concerns
***** There is a counter argument though. Likelihood of engagement versus the time spend with those rounds equipped. And if they're not equipped and ready to go, what's the point of having then stored since they won't be used when needed most.
***** There's nothing better than depleted uranium for projectiles. I don't think you can buy any for rifles though. There mustn't exist any ammo for handheld weaponry for a multitude of reasons including legal, environmental and security ones. Such ammo is used in cannons, 30mm and above I'd imagine
Dustin Pardy
no. fluoroantimonic acid rounds are the deadliest.
(contained in a thin teflon projectile der)
The rounds from a plutonium 238 space modulator has the deadliest round
Aha, I see someone else is starting to use the 'meat target' ;)
what i love about this guy, is he's kind of a country bumpkin, but he speaks so well and with confidence . its hard not to like this guy
Jacob McKay Don't judge the book by it's cover. He's way smarter than many wanna be firearms experts.
He is also a combat veteran
Does being country, make you not speak well?
@Dj d I live in the country too. There's a cornfield right next to my house, everyone around here is well spoken, with an accent.
@Dj d living in a rural area doesn't make you illiterate, being illiterate makes you illiterate.
Take a shot every time he says "penetrate" 😆
M - Dub19 or when he says, "I tell ya what"
Rob Banta Georgia speak is great "more times than you can shake a stick at it."
We want a drinking game, not alcohol poisoning!
M - Dub19 I'd be swacked two minutes in!
What a waste. There are starving children in Africa who could have eaten those bullets.
Nice Norwegian HM jacket:D
or Heimevernet (home guard) jacket:D
M02 jakke
was it a copy?
Wimp McGrump probably a sub sent it to him
Yes, probably, but I think it's a copy. It should've a zipper.
Well, “that was an interesting result”! Also, “there is no free lunch in physics”.
Fantastic shooting and scary impacts from those "old" cast rounds! Imagine the (final) surprise of someone underestimating them in a home/self defense situation? you'd be cleaning bits of intruder out of your walls for days!
The accuracy difference between a semi wadcutter cast and a jacketed hollow point or Flat Point would be interesting. Plus I would have like to seen if there was a difference of performance between jacketed and the cast lead bullets in the ballistic gel.
that mare's leg is awesome
+Fuh koogle i love penetration videos aswell.
hot
To much battlefield
Dr. Donald J. Trump MD, MscPussy b
i like the smith.
Barry approves this video.
I can remember as a kid,( in the 70’s) my dad was always jumping out of the truck at intersections picking up tire weights to melt them down and cast bullets for the .44 and .38. The .44 was always my favorite (original Ruger super Blackhawk) because the mold was a conical armor piercing one and he loaded a bit hot but the fun levels were off the charts. Cool video.
Where did you get a norwegian Heimvernet jacket?
Gesundheit!
+d lol was?
1. It is not a Heimevernet [HV] (Home Guard) jacket - it's a standard Norwegian military jacket with a Home Guard velcro patch on it.
2. I do also want to know how he got that!
thankyou MrObvious ;) let me refrain my question. Where did you get a standard norwegian miitary jacket and a HV patch. Better?
No, your original question was not obvious for the general public Holmes. A reply from the man himself is unlikely.
When my wifes mother died I helped clean out her home. Her deceased husband had been a police officer for many years. His reloading bench was like a time capsule from 1968. He had hundreds of cast bullets, mostly in .38. His go to round seemed to be semi wad cutter hollow points. We still have his J frame back up gun. It was loaded with them when we found it. I also found several boxes of handloaded wadcutters, about half of which were turned around backwards in the cases. Thats an old school hollow point for ya....
It's not uncommon. Reversing the wadcutter was something a lot of backup guns were loaded with ;)
semi wadcutter turned backwards.
Actually work quite well if not driven too fast. At 38 Spl velocities, it expands well and has decent penetration. At 357 Mag velocities, they are virtually explosive and have very poor penetration. Not a bad choice, loaded near max for 38 Spl, especially in a snub nose.
@ Stoned................you're wrong. It's quite common to reverse a hollow base wadcutter and load it base out for a large hollowpoint. Quit trying to play expert when you clearly are wet behind the ears and in no way an expert.
Some 38 cal wad cutters had hollow bases to increase the bearing surface of the bullet. Some had an identical top and bottom. So the people talking about turning them upside down are talking about the hollow base ones.
i like your jacket i come from norway
parkour og fotball Show Norway is gay
Dee Jay fuck you
By far this is the best video I have seen in a while! You guys rock, I love the fact that your content is unique, haven't seen too much on this. Keep these ballistic vids coming, stay safe stay healthy, wish you all the best!
Would have been nice to see all this with a .357 Magnum thrown in for comparison.
357 is already known to be awesome. He’s trying to awesome the rest of those cartridges.
ssshhhhhh... there are men working on this page....
Norwegian HV light jacket? Representing my brothers to the north.
I'm interested in a video on casting. :)
Nice jacket from my beatifull country norway. You should vist it :)
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They sell a cap and ball pistol kit at Cabelas for under $300 and I was thinking it would be a good Saturday killer to screw around with one. You don't have to go through any background checks or nothing! Just like buying a loaf of bread. And the power those things have. Loud, smoky, fire breathing beast. So much fun.
Are you aware that those 340 gr Underwood loads are way over max for that Model 29? I wouldn't want you to loosen up or wear out a nice handgun. For that matter they may not be safe in the Henry either. Great video otherwise.
Over max? A steady diet would be unadvisedle, but in a hunting or defensive situation life will go on
+Iraqveteran8888 whats unadvisedle?
No inadvisable. Thats what he meant but awesome upload. WE need more of this quality of content.
Glad that detail got addressed...
+Desertfox2020
I was happy to find your comment, I wanted to write exactly the same. This load is NOT for the Smith&Wesson.
It would be nice to do a side by side comparison of the heavy hard cast loads with the Underwood Extreme Penetrator ammo. I'm wondering how the wound channel and penetration would compare.
I would prefer a match lock over a flintlock because it has almost 100 percent chance of firing unlike a flintlock
your camera work is fantastic. I really enjoyed the slow motion shot through the baffle boards. Perfect lighting.
That .44 bullet sounds like a great 'hog-gun' round.
in a ruger Deerfield it is awesome
I carry 310 gr. Laser cast in Grizz country with full confidence I can make one sit down and behave if I have to but now I'm going to have to get some of those 340 gr. Underwoods...that was impressive.
in a marlin 1894 its the bees knees.
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So much uptalk, it's crazy? It's like every sentence is a question?
I’ve cast thousands in 357mag 44 mag 45/70 and in pa.where I lived I had Honor of Guys from several gun clubs taught me tons of reloading and casting with linotype or printers lead, it hardens lead for serious fps in all calibers thanks for teaching youngens some good info
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Så mangler vi bare at Eric i dansk M84 ;)
Heimevernet!
I am 36 in line for the symbolic king of Norway, my family traces back and and goes way back to when Norway was founded. So pretty cool I guess
+Alexander Morrison everyone with European ancestry has royal relatives, (they had a ton of illegitimate children)
The flag is turned the wrong way. :( Hope it is not sown on like that.
Love your videos man, you pack them full of different tests and you keep it interesting the whole time. You've earned a loyal subscriber today.
I...........cannot.imagine, being in battle, trying to get a piece of "rope" to light, lol
Uh, Hold on enemy solider. the winds blowing too hard at the moment", haha
Awesome vid. Good to see you enjoy this sort of thing. With all the talk of penetration, inches, loads...sometimes I wonder how you keep a straight face through it all....
You said load! Hehehe.. :-D
Nice BT profile pic bro
In Zimbabwe when they were working on allowing handgun hunting, some of the Game Warden guys there took hardcast bullet with core of hard metal. That proved very good on Elephant, zipped through, buffalo, and also for terrorist stopping. The .41 Mag and .44 Mag were the guns chosen to be test weapons for the trials. Trials went well and it is allowed there.
Love the demeanor of this guy, could listen to him talking about guns all day.
the trick would be getting him to stop talking lol
Really good content you have here. I thoroughly enjoyed the video thank you for your time and effort and everyone else that was involved.
Videos like this are the reason I stay subbed. Great job guys.
Very well done. Excellent testing. Watching you from the beginning Mosin Nagant days til' now, it's a relief to see this level of analysis and testing being done opposed to what everyone else is doing. It's lifestyle and passion opposed to attempting a half assed video to add to what we've already seen. Fantastic!
Underwood seems to have matched Buffalo Bore's 340 gr +p+ load, as they are virtually identical ballistically. And this is directly from Buffalo Bore's website, "We get hundreds of emails asking if this load can be fired in S&W revolvers or some firearm other than what is in the above list. The answer is NO. The above list is all inclusive."
Why throw away that ballistic gel dummy?
Why not melt it down, skim all the crap out of it, and recast it into a block for future use?
Questionable quality, which makes any results gained from testing with it unreliable.
+Captain Patchwork
As long as you are not adding anything which would change the properties of the gel, or mixing different batches of gel together, it should not be an issue.
It just seems incredibly wasteful to throw away the ballistics gelatin, just because it has some particulate in it, and I'm sure that reusing the blocks over and over again during shoots would affect the ballistics gelatin more than melting it down and re-pouring it into blocks.
That is one damn good idea, if it works. That ballistics gel is NOT cheap. With ease, you could skim, screen, and filter out almost all impurities when its melted. I wonder if it has to reach a specific temperature to set up with the same/correct firmness again? As long as it gels up at all, even if it isn't perfect quality, you would have a very valuable target. Might lose a little bit each usage, from the bullet damage, but why not recycle the gel into another awesomely dynamic target block! I bet you could make a machine that automatically melted down and reset your gel blocks.
+James Warner
As long as you keep the gel under 250 degrees Fahrenheit, it should melt with ease, but it will take some time to get it fully melted.
All you would have to do is cut the main block into smaller chunks, place it in a large stainless steel container like a big cooking pan, and set it in the oven at about 200 to 220 degrees, and just let it all sit in there until it fully melts, all the particulate would sink to the bottom, then all that would be left is once all the bubbles are gone, and it is fully melted, you could leave it in the container you are melting it in, let it cool completely, then once it is unmolded, take a piece of wire and just cut off the bottom part that contains all the particulate.
Eric is a busy man, it probably does not make financial sense for him to spend the time cleaning up and recasting the gel block. Probably easier for him to just huck it in the trash and wait for a sponsor to donate another block to the channel.
Had a moose charge & emptied my 44 redhawk loaded w 320 gr WFN hardcasts. All 5 went through the sternam, 4 through the heart & with the last round rolled off the snowmachine as it was coming down on me & blew threw both shoulders which knocked the moose over but even then it stumbled around 2 sleds & got back on the trail & collapsed. Found all 5 slugs just under the rear flank fur. 8 feet of penetration that did NOT knock the small moose down. The 6th through the shoulders shattered both shoulder joints to toothpicks & passed completely through. Use a 420 gr WFN Hard cast in my 45/70 @ 2100 FPS & it Thumps BIG bears HARD! DRILLED a 10 ft charging black bear @ 100 yards that hit him square in the chest & it just folded & slid to a stop. Found that slug at its rear flank just under the fur. Any bear shot from the side is also knocked over but ALL those 45/70 slugs just blow straight on through. As far as handguns go, retired the 44 & upgraded to the 454 Casull. Was NOT impressed w its (44) moose performance.
Norwegian national guard uniform 😊👍
That captured 340gr that went through the gel and boards should have had a Mack Truck logo on the front of it lol.
I still have 90% of a box of BTB 330gr WFNGC waiting on me to try them in my new Ruger M77/44. They were bought years ago for a 444 Marlin.
Love videos like this.
Not that it matters now 5 years later but just thought I should throw it out there that both underwood and buffalo bore recommend that the 340 grain +p+ loads are not fired out of a smith model 29 due to their much weaker actions compared to a Ruger Redhawk, super Redhawk, black hawk, dan Wesson m44, etc.. not hating on the 29 I have two vintage 29-2s that I love. Just warning anyone watching that both of these ammo manufactures say that the 340 grain +p+ hard cast is technically not safe in the smith model 29/629. Stay safe, shoot on.
Nothing beats a pommel
WOW BEEN DOING THIS FROM 1970 WITH THE 45,44,357 !!!!! NOW DO THE 357 WITH A 180GR BULLET!!!!!;!!
Nice vest, hei fra Norge
Seeing as to how the bloodiest war in our national history was fought with pure lead bullets and here and there, buckshot, I have never been one to go overboard for jacketed bullets. It still kills as well as it ever did. Pure lead is the best transmitter of shock, with or without expansion. I keep autoloaders for when the crap hits the fan blades and maybe the only kind of ammo around is jacketed. Practice revolver ammo is harder cast to shoot cleaner and cheaper (range lead, wheelweights, etc.) But for serious purposes the sheet lead say, from the walls around the X-ray department, etc. is what I need for the best hitting power. Plenty of time to clean the gun after the cops give it back, unless they run it through the chop saw after the inquest.
pls do a video about casting
Afanios melt lead add tin pour in mold
Just don't down play the 45 Colt's performance by comparing it the 44 mag!
225 grain hollow points compared to 340 grain hard cast is not a fair comparison!
Be very very careful, I think the +p+ ammo is not safe to fire out of that revolver!
its fine
the old vaquero is a heavy frame revolver also was chambered in 44 mag ,i load a 300 gr xtp with a heavy charge of w296 mag powder into starline brass, chorngraph at 1180 fps it is well within the pressure range of a safe load but not for the new vaquero
Needs to get a Ruger Super Redhawk :) for that +p+ ammo
Super Blackhawk should handle anything that starts to rupture brass without a sweat.
Correct. The SW frames are not built to take a steady diet of +p or +p+
I agree cast bullets are viable but you don’t want hard cast as your defense choice. Maybe for use on coyotes and unwanted feral critters but you need expansion to limit risk of over penetration. I like a soft SWC or TC bullet moving fast enough to deform.
Hey would you guys mind shooting ar500 level 4 ceramic body armour backwards. I think it would be a cool test as they are a 2 piece design.
I wanna see that. both ceramic and metal. lvl 4 body armor
Why? We all know it's gonna stop the bullet, why not just ask him for a video of shooting it into the dirt? Actually that might kill the earth.
i believe the demo ranch did that.
+AlexanderSuperTramp no the ceramic plates are a two piece design. Ceramic layer breaks up bullet and the composite layer catches the fragments. But if you turn it around and shoot the backside it will be the composite layer in front and ceramic behind
+Vladimir kurylenko no I just checked his uploads.
What are the most common calibers available in Lead cast ammo, 45-70, 30-30, 45 Colt, .50 Ball...etc?
damn cliffhangers!
The cliffhanger video is coming tomorrow. 🙊
+Iraqveteran8888 has anyone ever experimented with kirksite round's?
+Iraqveteran8888 why would you use full coke bottles?.. all that soaked into the ground..
as he said in an earlier video, he is against Coke and sorts of them.
He's preventing childhood diabetes, one round at a time.
I heard the old soft lead balls from the revolutionary War shattered bone and made gaping holes. Plus the primitive medical practices meant a flesh wound was probably fatal.
+P+ is a hot fucken load! ... but the Model 29 should handle that with no problems.
On lower velocity bullets like 38 special you can use soft cast. You get leading if you go faster than 900 fps. I use hard cast wad cutters in my j- frame even though I’m only doing 750 to 800. No problems with penetration even with a 380. I love these videos, because of my age I can no longer take the recoil from my old Colt Python with +p loads. Keep up the good work
But your videos are awesome and I'm always waiting for ur new ones to be posted. Sry if I sounded like a troll, but the thought always entered my mind when you guys do those certain tests. N e ways keep making ur videos! They're great!
I enjoy seeing the Golden Boy's getting some love from the IV8888 crew of late. That 44 is a hand cannon. Literally. Also, give the Underwood 38 Special +P 158 Grain HCK a try. You'll have a new found respect for what the old 38 is capable of. Great video guys!
I actually cast my own 9 mm 124 grn just with cleaned scrap lead I keep them for SHTF .
The direction of the flag actually has a deeper meaning than that. It is a symbol of the soldier walking head on in headwind and difficulties, and that he does not take the path of lesser resistance :)
Why do you guys always use 4 layers of denim? Who are you defending against? Lesbians??
Hickock 45 must be jealous of how many 2 litres were killed in this video
I put mercury phlimite in my hallow point bullets . Seems to work very well .
Great video on cast bullets, would love to see your casting setup and the results from your fabrication. Make that video, I'll bet the results would be awesome as well.
I want to eat the gel block, is that weird?
same it looks like jello
Those .44 340 grain bullets will shoot a smith apart.