Thank You for this great video. On my earphones the sound of Slot 22 Chracter B65 was the best mixture of clarity and natural acoustic sound for my taste of course. :-) Thank You once again for your great work :-)
Hello @stringmatrix! Great vid! Can you elaborate on how the tonedexter performed on stage when plugged into your amp? Most of the demos I've seen are a/b off of the output of the device (which all sounded great!). I'm curious how a typical UB bass amp rig responds to the input signal.
I just put a krivo magnetic pickup on my upright bass. I tried piezo and I just can't stand them on anything really, I'd rather just mic, but the magnetic pickup solves most of my problems with piezo, while losing most of the natural sound. Would the tonedexter work with my krivo pickup? Maybe with a preamp?
Many thanks for these explanations! It seems quite a device for all the acoustics strings players, but specially for the doublebass players. Did you tried on stage with drummer etc? If yes, what are your feelings? Did you felt yourself feeded by your sound like if you were playing acoustic (and not 100% piezo that can be so frustrating)? Did you felt any kind of frutration because of the "all digital inside built" aspects of your sound, even if the modelizations of the mics are optimized? (I have understood that it is not modelization in itself but I can't find any appropriate word...)
Hello Maryse! Yes I used the Tonedexter on a few gigs. And yes, it is really a fantastic experience to hear a true acoustic sound coming out of the amplifier. And the sound is punchy and very direct. I was also a little afraid of the idea that I would hear a digitally processed/modeled signal (if you don't use a blend setting) vs. an "analog" amplified signal as I am used too. But it works very well. Only when I have some "slap" kind of noise (quand les cordes claquent sur le manche) it sometimes turns out a little synthetic because I can hear the room sound of the training. Also, on one of my first gigs I realized that one note (the low A) was louder than the other notes. But all of these problems can be solved, you have to experiment quite a bit with the wavemap you create (I have collegues who use the TD and they all say it takes a some time + trial & error to get the perfect working WaveMap). The ToneDexter has two more really great features: It has a built-in tuner and the signal is muted when you tune. AND it has a boost footswitch so that f. ex. if you want to be just a little louder for solos (how much louder can be set) you just press on the switch. I don't own the ToneDexter yet. Maybe I will get one. Just before I heard about the ToneDexter I bought an Ischell contact mic. And my experimentation phase with the Ischell isn't finished... So if the Ischell doesn't satisfy me in my quest of getting a great acoustic sound on stage I will probably get a Tonedexter.
@@stringmatrix Ok! Many thanks for this feedback. Really interesting. Can I post your answer on the doublebass forum in France I am in charge of? We are some few to use the ABox Live (Vintage Revolution) and the TD could be really great to have an acoustic sound without the issues of "larsen" and hearing the drummer in the mic on the ABox. Have a nice day.
Thanks for the video. Considering that Tonedexter is a bit expensive, wouldn’t a SM 57 do a better job?
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Hello, thank you very much for this video. One question, does the room acoustics matter when the process of learning the "sound" of the bass is being made? Thanks again
Yes I think the room acoustics matter! Something I heard like a little room sound (reverb) in the "sampled" sound, which can be natural. But I think that you need a good room for good results (also depending on the type of microphone).
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@@stringmatrix all right, thanks for the reply! Love your content. Thanks
Hello Irina, unfortunately, the tonedexter that I used in this video is not my own, I already gave it back. Maybe another bass player can demonstrate that...
Ouahhh so look so Nice ! Thank u for the vidéo !! I think my next purchase ! Sorry, Just to be curious, a little bit "out question"... What if you record train on one instrument and make it work with an other one ? Can it work, had you tried ? For example sound train with à Wonder full double bass, and play à gig with à cheap double bass with thé dexter (and thé pre recorded of à good bass) Or even more vicious...a train sound record with an upright bass... And use it with thé dexter and an electric bass !? Can your electric bass sound like a doublé bass... Dont think so, but Nice to try no ? Cheers ! Alex
I didn't try it myself, but I heard from colleagues that this won't work. The Tonedexter seem to "recognize" the instrument you are playing on, and it doesn't react properly if the training was made on another instrument.
Very nicely done with accurate commentary! Thank you.
Thank you for your feedback!
Thank You for this great video. On my earphones the sound of Slot 22 Chracter B65 was the best mixture of clarity and natural acoustic sound for my taste of course. :-) Thank You once again for your great work :-)
Thank you for the informative video, I know what I want for Christmas!
You might consider putting time links for each of the 8 passages for easy comparison.
Hello @stringmatrix! Great vid! Can you elaborate on how the tonedexter performed on stage when plugged into your amp? Most of the demos I've seen are a/b off of the output of the device (which all sounded great!). I'm curious how a typical UB bass amp rig responds to the input signal.
This is an updated version of the video. In the first upload there was a little mistake...
I just put a krivo magnetic pickup on my upright bass. I tried piezo and I just can't stand them on anything really, I'd rather just mic, but the magnetic pickup solves most of my problems with piezo, while losing most of the natural sound. Would the tonedexter work with my krivo pickup? Maybe with a preamp?
Many thanks for these explanations! It seems quite a device for all the acoustics strings players, but specially for the doublebass players. Did you tried on stage with drummer etc? If yes, what are your feelings? Did you felt yourself feeded by your sound like if you were playing acoustic (and not 100% piezo that can be so frustrating)? Did you felt any kind of frutration because of the "all digital inside built" aspects of your sound, even if the modelizations of the mics are optimized? (I have understood that it is not modelization in itself but I can't find any appropriate word...)
Hello Maryse! Yes I used the Tonedexter on a few gigs. And yes, it is really a fantastic experience to hear a true acoustic sound coming out of the amplifier. And the sound is punchy and very direct. I was also a little afraid of the idea that I would hear a digitally processed/modeled signal (if you don't use a blend setting) vs. an "analog" amplified signal as I am used too. But it works very well. Only when I have some "slap" kind of noise (quand les cordes claquent sur le manche) it sometimes turns out a little synthetic because I can hear the room sound of the training. Also, on one of my first gigs I realized that one note (the low A) was louder than the other notes. But all of these problems can be solved, you have to experiment quite a bit with the wavemap you create (I have collegues who use the TD and they all say it takes a some time + trial & error to get the perfect working WaveMap).
The ToneDexter has two more really great features: It has a built-in tuner and the signal is muted when you tune. AND it has a boost footswitch so that f. ex. if you want to be just a little louder for solos (how much louder can be set) you just press on the switch.
I don't own the ToneDexter yet. Maybe I will get one. Just before I heard about the ToneDexter I bought an Ischell contact mic. And my experimentation phase with the Ischell isn't finished... So if the Ischell doesn't satisfy me in my quest of getting a great acoustic sound on stage I will probably get a Tonedexter.
@@stringmatrix Ok! Many thanks for this feedback. Really interesting. Can I post your answer on the doublebass forum in France I am in charge of? We are some few to use the ABox Live (Vintage Revolution) and the TD could be really great to have an acoustic sound without the issues of "larsen" and hearing the drummer in the mic on the ABox. Have a nice day.
@@compagnieweloveyou Yes sure, feel free to share my comment in the forum !
Thanks for the video. Considering that Tonedexter is a bit expensive, wouldn’t a SM 57 do a better job?
Hello, thank you very much for this video. One question, does the room acoustics matter when the process of learning the "sound" of the bass is being made? Thanks again
Yes I think the room acoustics matter! Something I heard like a little room sound (reverb) in the "sampled" sound, which can be natural. But I think that you need a good room for good results (also depending on the type of microphone).
@@stringmatrix all right, thanks for the reply! Love your content. Thanks
Would it be possible to show the sound with a bow?Thank you very much in advance!
Hello Irina, unfortunately, the tonedexter that I used in this video is not my own, I already gave it back. Maybe another bass player can demonstrate that...
Ouahhh so look so Nice ! Thank u for the vidéo !! I think my next purchase !
Sorry, Just to be curious, a little bit "out question"... What if you record train on one instrument and make it work with an other one ? Can it work, had you tried ?
For example sound train with à Wonder full double bass, and play à gig with à cheap double bass with thé dexter (and thé pre recorded of à good bass)
Or even more vicious...a train sound record with an upright bass... And use it with thé dexter and an electric bass !? Can your electric bass sound like a doublé bass... Dont think so, but Nice to try no ?
Cheers ! Alex
I didn't try it myself, but I heard from colleagues that this won't work. The Tonedexter seem to "recognize" the instrument you are playing on, and it doesn't react properly if the training was made on another instrument.
In my experience, maps maked with small diaphragm microphones sounds far better!
Thanks, good to know!