Forbidden Planet: The great machine
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- this is my favorite scene from Forbidden Planet, i believe it is the best special affects scene to come out of the 1950's
the great machine filled roughly 1.2 billion square feet and had the power to transmit solid matter to any location on the planet. it was also what caused the extinction of the Krell civilization.
i'd love to see an MST3K episode about this film.
Made almost 70 years ago and still one of the most mindblowing things you’ll see in a movie!
Star Wars of its time😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@Mindsi ,I'm sure George Lucas was influenced by it.
The ventilator shaft visuals are quite stunning.
@@Mindsi way way way beyond star wars, same script for three movies, pitiful
Just a small technical point - I wanted to acknowledge a bit of compositional genius. As the camera moves into position for what obviously is the matte insert of the 3 humans walking out of the door onto the bridge. Take note about what drew your eye THERE. That little blinking light over the door!
If that hadn't drawn your eye, you would still be focusing on the details of the model work and might not have shifted your perceptions to the true scale the movie is trying to paint for your minds eye.
But that little blinking light over the door is like - "Look HERE!" And you do, and THEN your mind gets BLOWN because your perspective shifts and you realize just how massive that area of the machine is!
One little blinking light on a matte painting. Just a bit of simple genius. Hat tip to whoever thought of that.
I actually failed to see them the first time I watched it
just like with painting; that's probably where cinema learnt the trick from. In many paintings there's a clear ray of light somewhere, and if you block that with your hand the entire scene looses perspective. Not exactly the same thing, but the detail you point out seems like an evolution of that principle
@@Yarblocosifilitico You lose me completely. I mean a screw gets loose tighten it, animals break loose catch them and all hell can break loose but how can a scene perspective become less tight or insecure?
Agree. Very well done and adds tremendous point of scale.
@@jagmarc Sounds like the "No-time Toulouse" character that appeared in the Monty Python series once.
Wow. For a movie made 60 years ago, the effects in this scene are still pretty impressive. Hats off to the talented special effects artists who worked on this classic.
Almost...70 years ago... :/ But yes an awesome masterpiece
You should watch it in a movie theater. A tv or cell phone just give it justice.
Matte painting was a well-established technique by this time, and continued for a few decades more, until digital compositing came in.
Trouble is, it made for static camera positioning. They can pan, but they can’t dolly.
@steve gale What are you disagreeing with? That it was a well-established technique, or that it made for static camera shots?
@steve gale So what did you say was “not true”?
Luxury casting with one time, big time leading man Walter Pidgeon as Morbius. His then waning career made it possible to get him. He brings a tremendous sense of authority to his role which benefits the film immesureably.
Is Rebecca Pidgeon his daughter?
@@RonaldVaughan He actually had a Vietnamese daughter - her name was Doing The.
I love the sound of this thing. The throbbing electricity just barely being contained. A monster waiting to get out.
My pee pee is throbbing right now.
OMG, you're right. Scary.
The scene when they look down the shaft still chills me. I am terrified of heights.
Nielsen wasn't in a hurry to take a look over the side of that railing. Walter was clowning those earthlings. "What's the matter, gentlemen? Are you afraid? Hell yeah, bro. It's a long way down....
Yeah, me too
Same here!
@@tomh6183
Me too. And I saw the movie in 1957 as a 12 year old.
I hear ya!
George Lucas was so impressed by this masterpiece, the scene in the Death Star when Obi Wan de-activates the tractor beam was inspired by this scene.
The Krell "ventilation shaft" and hundreds of levels also inspired Irwin Allen's conception of the Time Tunnel complex, and the matte painting of it re-shown up to several times ("Red Alert!") per episode.
So was the Time Tunnel complex in the TV show of the same name, it seems.
Lucas and Spielberg, the two rip off artists of all time.
@@carltonpoindexter2034 "But it was done so artistically..."
(Thrawn reference. :D )
hihi, Babylon 5 did a similar thing.
This scene blew my mind when I was a young child years ago. It still does today.
Yes, the technology and engineering going into such a machine would be beyond awesome! 8000 Cubic miles... GOD!
THey showed this movie at the summer movie program in my school Horton Elementary San Diego (1959 or 1958, probably 1959) I was about 11. It scared the ever-living snot out of me. The first high-quality science fiction movie.
As a 10 year old it blew me away too
That "minor alteration throughout its fabric" that Dr. Morbius spoke of, was probably the machine tuning itself to HIS mind to respond better. He didn't know that.
"That "minor alteration throughout its fabric" that Dr. Morbius spoke of, was probably the machine tuning itself to HIS mind to respond better. He didn't know that."
That's a brilliant observation.
@@johnclawed Because at that point, Morbius was the machine's only remaining user. So it makes sense that the machine would optimize itself for him. It wasn't just that Morbius' subconscious had been made strong enough to operate the machine, as Adams suggested. It was that the machine had also optimized itself for his mind after Morbius had interacted with it.
Or it could be that the machine was merely making a complete maintenance upgrade,after two thousand centuries it was probably due…
@@54blewis The context of the the lines just before indicates he was speaking about the machine doing self-repair.
@@piotrmalewski8178 which is a maintenance upgrade..even a minor repair would be an improvement rather than deterioration…
Hats off to Bebe and Louis Barron for the 100% electronic score.
I still think this is the best science fiction movie ever made. Bar none.
I'm glad there was never a lame re-make. This classic stands on it's own.
It most definitely does.
+7th Angel
Shhhh, don't give them ideas.
LOL!
+David Fahey No really. Plan 9 best film, following any Twilight film and Food Fight
65 year-old effects and still impressive.
I once saw a piece of the "machine" that has survived that belongs to a collector. I believe some Disney animators also worked on the look of the Krell machine to bring it to life. I still own a large model of the flying saucer that is shown in the movie that I bought in the early 70's and has never been assembled. The saucer is about 20" across.
Do you think you'll ever assemble the saucer model?
@@raksh9 I've been thinking of selling it because I'm getting older and need to downsize my space model collection so my kids are not stuck with them.
C57-D. I love this movie.
William Shakespeare meets Sigmund Freud. Forbidden Planet was so far ahead of it's time. A masterpiece.
And so, brilliant as it was, why didn't it find an audience? Easy --- *IT WAS TOO BRILLIANT* for the typical uneducated morons of the 1950's. Remember, not many people went to college *AT ALL* back then, because so few jobs required a college education (not like now...)
Don't insult us '50s-ites. I was eleven years old when this came out and I saw it on a Saturday afternoon at the Bay Theatre in Ashland, WI. I was blown away then and remain so to this day.
@@CLASSICALFAN100 Not all highly innovative works of art make a profit, but The Forbidden Planet movie made a substantial profit. It was well received at release and created a wider market. New film making technologies were invented or improved. Key physical assets of the film, e.g. the robot, were reused in other movies and TV. The movie has been a profitable asset for six decades. Culturally it inspired people to become scientists, technicians, engineers, and aviators. It helped build citizen understanding and support for future efforts like NASA's putting astronauts on the moon just twelve years later!
The USA could not have been the most effective and succesful nation in the world in the 1950's and beyond if its citizens were "uneducated morons". Compared to what? The USA had just been a major factor in winning WWII on four continents and two oceans. Those same people made the movie Forbidden Planet which you describe as brilliant. Moreover, 1957 high school graduates across the distribution curve were better educated, better read, more skilled, and of higher character than today's high school and a high percentage of college graduates today, especially graduates of recent decades having less than useful degrees and little to no practical work experience.
But I believe you already knew that. If not, study your American history, and not from vulgar socialist propaganda sources.
@@CLASSICALFAN100 As opposed to the dumbed down remakes of today (think Total Recall or Count of Monte Christo)
@@CLASSICALFAN100 being college educated is hardly a prerequisite for intelligence or intellectual aquity. Look no further than current news broadcasts for nearly unlimited examples of degreed morons.
This movie was ahead of its time. I watched it as a kid in the 1980s and I thought it was a modern movie.
The special effects are still truly astonishing today. And this was 1956.
This shows you how much western thought has declined in the last 65 years.
This film could have been made in 2056, and we'd probably never know much difference.
@@thewizzard3150 FACT!!! Technology was supposed to make Humans smarter...unlike the Krell, we didn't need personal ID monsters to wipe us out. The average mind today couldn't summons the energy of a gnat's fart.
@@69erthx1138 I mean it's quite obviously a model filmed close-up, that was obvious when I watched this as a kid in the 80's.
One thing that makes this gem stand out is the extreme quality of all it's facets. The effects were great for its decade and still hold up well enough. The dialog and acting were great, as was the acting. The story was deep and multilayered. Just superlative across the board!
The story was based on a story by an old dead White guy.......William Shakespeare.
The fact that we never meet the builders of the machine just adds to the mystery at the core of this movie. A great movie in many ways.
And it had the sexy, sexy Miss Ann Francis.
Could you rely on Hollywood to do a remake worthy of this classic? Unfortunately, I don't think so.
Modern Hollywood is so much trash! They remake everything for modern audiences! Pure filth!
I met Warren Stevens at a Ralphs Supermarket one Sunday morning a few years back.
He looked great for his age.
I mentioned Forbidden Planet, he told me it was his memorable movie experience. Walter Pigeon taught him a lot.
Unhappily, times go and these admirables actors pass by ....Earl Holliman is 95 ,and is the memory of this movie..
@@Lefab3470
" Earl Holliman is 95, is the memory of this movie.."
One of them...
Warren Stevens looked pretty much the same, had a mustache and white hair..
Met Martin Landau in the same supermarket about a year later.
What a gentleman.
Nice man.
He was a tall, over 6ft if not at least 6'3..
The effects in this movie blow me away. They're done in a way that has kept them from becoming laughably bad as more than 50 years have passed. I hate to be a movie snob, but this one was truly a trailblazer in effects, story, genre, Leslie Nielson...everything.
Lipbuzz what was the effect they used to create the monster attack scene mostly the monster itself when it glows red.
That was animation.
E Edgerton frame animation??
Yes. You'll see Joshua Meador's special mention in the film's credits...he was on loan from Disney for the job.
And don’t forget the soundtrack! “Electronic tonalities” created on sine wave generators.
the Krell discovered non-instrumentality, the ability to create matter by thought alone. As long as power constantly flowed to a creation, it lived. The ID monster was the same. The Krell machine kept it alive while it was under attack. The ID monster was also given life by Morbius' mind. He inadvertently created it and the Krell machine kept it going. .
And that was just one monster. The Krell aliens each had their own unleashed monster. Can you imagine a whole planet full of those things?
@@stevenlitvintchouk3131For one night the planet was nightmare fuel, a nightmare on a planetary scale. Once all of the Krell died those subconscious monsters from the Id died with them. Until Morbius inadvertently awakened his own monster from the Id.
He attacked. UFO . . Möbius .
@@stevenlitvintchouk3131Right. 🤯 Morbius mentions that all the great structures the Krell were all gone except for the Great Machine. I assume in the Krell’s final moments that there were _billions_ of id monsters causing unbelievable amounts of death and destruction.
I watched this again about a month ago, still holds up really well. The alien race and technology is still a scifi movie wonder.
My favorite scene as well, and yes, I would have been afraid to look down too!
note how the Dr holds his stomach!
Note: MGM's Forbidden Planet is the very first *BIG* budget serious science fiction production (not a monster movie) at USD $1,968,000 in 1956 dollars or USD $20,918,000 in 2022 dollars!!!
Walter Pidgeon, such a classy actor 😁
Still the best sci fi film ever imo. It was the first to take the genre seriously. Special effects look good even today; similar in that regard to Kubrick's 2001, timeless. The eerie soundtrack is the gold standard, set the tone, and has never been surpassed...still gives me goosebumps when I listen.
This, Metropolis, in 2001 a Space Odyssey, are absolutely complete Masterpieces. The closest modern movie that I've seen to this is maybe Sunshine, but it's been a while since we've had a true science fiction stand-alone masterpiece.
The musicians’ union wouldn’t allow the Barrons to call their electronic works “music”. That’s why the credits say “Electronic Tonalities By Louis And Bebe Barron”.
The musicians’ union wouldn’t allow the Barrons to call their electronic works “music”. That’s why the credits say “Electronic Tonalities By Louis And Bebe Barron”.
War of the worlds and the day the earth stood still (1951) also were great examples of the genre but this is the first one to take place in a different solar system and it's my favourite film.
me also
It's still a well crafted film with memorable visuals and music/sound. Can you imagine what it must have been like to see in the cinema in the 1950's!!
Now, 4K scanning is making digital copies of negatives that have more information than the original positives made from the negatives. A digital re-release of this film will be stunning. This is especially true of 70mm film like Lawrence of Arabia.
sclogse1 sclogse1, are you saying that 'Lawrence of Arabia' has already had this 4k scanning done and been released? Is this a HD release? I've only seen the film on DVD and it was already an incredible visual experience. I could only imagine what further enhancement would be like.
A 4K scan was done. When and where it would or will show...who knows...but it needs to be in a theater in 4k.
Could not even fix my spelling...these mini google notice pages drive me nuts.
The Blu-Ray with front projection is fabulous. Two films need Blu-Ray treatment. It Started in Naples, and The World of Suzie Wong.
Undoubtedly the inspiration for The Great Machine in Babylon 5
I know this is what I thought of when I saw that bridge in B5
I recognized the similarity instantly myself.
Also "Frankenstein Unbound"
Bunch of games too.... Point and click fans will remember the device of unity from " Star Trek : A final unity"
I thought about this film,when I watched B5 .
I am in utter AWE at the CENTRAL PLOT IDEA behind the extinction of the Krell. They were technically advanced but they had forgotten their "fang and claw" beginnings.The Krell probably evolved just like us; creatures who survived by killing other animals (and often killing each other). All life on Earth kills to survive! (Great design, huh? Barf!). As soon as their 'reptile brains' were unleashed, the horrible instincts in their subconscious minds came out. The writer said it so well via Dr. Morbius: "My poor Krell! After millions of years of shining evolution, they could hardly have understood what was killing them". Dr. Morbius refused to accept that HE was a murderer... until the Commander explained it to him and his daughter, Altaira agreed! I really don't know ANY sci-fi movie that has a better 'core idea' than that! I loved the movie as a child and I still do love it.
I would love to see a modern remake of this movie, not just because of better special effects and a cool robot. It's because this movie is even MORE RELEVANT TODAY! In the early 1900's the world's great physicists liked to meet and discuss cosmology. They all agreed that the universe is gigantic and probability says there are be billions of intelligent civilizations out there. So Enrico Fermi, a quantum physicist asked the group, "Where are they?"
SETI has listened to the skies for three decades with giant radio telescopes and heard NOTHING that sounds like, "Hi, Fred. A few of us are going bowling in the next galaxy. Wanna join us?"
It's almost statistically IMPOSSIBLE that we're the only life that evolved intelligence. To quote from the movie CONTACT, "If it's just us... seems like an awful waste of space."
We should be intercepting millions of ET broadcasts. Here'a one possible answer: When any civilization develops technology capable of killing off their species... they do. To paraphrase Jeff Goldblum:: Life... uhhh... finds a way.... to .... uhh... destroy itself.
The Krell destroyed themselves because of CREATURES FROM THE ID! THEIR "ID MONSTERS". Sigmund Freud coined the word ID to describe the part of the subconscious mind associated with instinct, repressed desires, fantasies, and antisocial sexual or violent actions.
I personally think we will become extinct, just like 99% of creatures that evolved on Earth. I think our own primitive human minds are just too prone to violence. I'm sorry to be such a downer, but I look around and I don't see us changing anytime soon.
Maybe, in our own way... WE ARE THE KRELL.
Anyway, please remake Forbidden Planet... while there's still time.
What do you think about whether humanity will survive?
J. Michael Straczynski drew direct inspiration from Forbidden Planet for his own science fiction epic television series, Babylon V.
Gene Roddenberry also was inspired by FP to create the original Star Trek.
Great movie in its own right that provided the groundwork for future shows.
I loved this movie when I first watched it as a kid in the 80s. Even though it was already 30+ years old by then, it still held up well. The sheer scale and advancement of the technology depicted just blew my mind.
That scene could not possibly be bettered today.
It`s really incredible that this movie was produced in 1956 when I was born. This special effect is still eye-opening for me in 2018. It`s a great masterpiece.
I was born in the Space Age..Not with Russias Sputnix...but 1956...with Forbidden Planet .
@@michaeljasinski1906 Sputnik was launched in 1957, a year after both of us were born. We were born in the dawn of the Space Age when we could be optimistic about the development of technology. It was a beautiful period.
I saw this movie in the 1970s and thought it was incredible. Even in 2020 it still looks fantastic.
That non-answer to "But what is it for?" is our first solid indication that not all is well in paradise...
It contains the entire Krell porn collection
Bingo. 😂 I absolutely love Walter Pigeon’s hesitation when he’s asked that question.
Man, that stuff is Fifties America distilled to a potent liquid. Infinite, infinite, infinite power!
8,000 cubic miles of it. Project solid matter to any point on the planet. Gotta have it
Puts to shame other films that tried to pull off virtual environments, like the Star Wars prequels, which were over 40 years later. Just a superb film. Modern Sci-Fi owes a lot to this 50's classic.
One of the very best 👌 movies 🎬 ever made yes sir 😅
Tremendous art direction, holds up well 70 years later
your right, my favorite scene also.......visual and sound effects are totally awesome.......best sci-fi movie ever............
I always loved how just with simple words and numbers they managed to create in our imaginations such a humungous, colossal, awe inspiring machine without having to actually 'build' it or really show it. Watching these clips makes me want to go and buy and watch again the whole movie
Totally agree, they get this scene just right - you get the full idea that this thing is GIGANTIC !!
I really love the line, _”...are you afraid?”_ Morbius says to them.
Of a potential twenty-mile fall? Hell yeah, I'm afraid!
The Krel weren't all that smart if they built a switch in the lab that any pissed off or drunk Krel could throw that would BLOW UP THE ENTIRE PLANET and COULD NOT BE TURNED OFF! Whose idea was that, smarty pants Krel? :~)
Still an awesome movie, though.
An analogy for nuclear power? IDK
When somebody gets drunk on power, ANYTHING can happen.
>>Krel weren't all that smart if they built a switch in the lab that any pissed off or drunk Krel could throw
@@alexmuenster2102This! There is no way the Krell would have consciously used it or even by accident. It is a great question and I have many head canon theories about it. I’m curious if the screenwriters or the director were ever asked about it.
0:57 Notice the light flashing behind the figures as they come in. Why? Just to make sure you notice them, against the immensity of the rest of the scene.
Yes, I was thinking that as well. "Look over here! Don't miss them!" : )
"But what is it for?" Such a critical and ominous question. I have this on DVD, an amazing movie. Hinting at what might be possible and that we cannot ignore our own nature.
and the first word in the reply is, "uhhh..." Telling.
@@ysf-psfx so what WAS it for???
@@RtB68 As we learn at the end of the movie, "creation by mere thought." In response to the electro-magnetic impulses of a Krell mind, The Great Machine would project matter to any point on the planet, "for ANY purpose, Morbius!" Wonderful movie, one of the best sci-fi movies ever made, and an inspiration to so many that followed it...
@@SeaDrive300 Indeed. It allowed the Krell to exterminate themselves overnight. The movie tries to teach us something about ourselves, and foreshadow our own destiny if we had access to near limitless power.
@@SeaDrive300WW2 ended less than 10 years before the release of Forbidden Planet. That line reminds of nuclear power projected to any place on the planet threatening the demise of all life.
The script also points out the reason there were no more Krell: Their unconscious petty jealousies were projected through the “great machine” resulting in the demise of them all. Once Morbius made a connection with the machine it started the whole debacle again resulting in the demise of all hands on the Baleraphon (sp?) except for him and his daughter. Now the monster was coming for the new ship’s crew too.
The demise of the planet and all the Krell secrets was a real disappointment to me. Had I been on the ship I would have wanted to stay, learn and explore - assuming I could connect with the machine as did Morbius.
It’s amazing how much detail is fresh in my memory even from nearly 70 years ago.
I love this scene and wish they had done some more with it. The set was so amazing. I know now that it's all mat painting and animation, but when I was a kid, I thought it was real! I always wondered about the low railings. But then, when you think about the Krell doorways, they probably were short, fat blob like creatures, so to them, the railings would have been just fine.
***** Or - imagine an ant or a bee and how the body is (comparatively) low slung with the legs splayed wide compared to a human.
Having read several of Alan Dean Fosters "Humanx Commonwealth" series with the prominent Thranx species as a mental reference, I could easily imagine the Krell being similar - something like an insectoid race resembling large praying mantises, about 1.5 - 2 meters long when on all six legs. Like the mantis, the front part of the body could angle upward freeing the foreward limbs - except that unlike the mantis, the Krell wouldn't have scythe-like claws, but fully differentiated hands/manipulators.
But that's the beauty and genius of NOT showing the Krell, except in the most vague fashion (the doors and low railings).
It allows us, the audience, free reign to imagine the Krell any way we like. ^_^
clydesight The screenplay by Irving Block and Alan Adler described the Krell as spider-like creatures whose multiple appendages increased their manual dexterity, enhancing their technological prowess. Unfortunately this exchange of dialog was cut from the finished film.
Yes, I think I would have to say this is my favourite scene of the movie. The colossal Krell machine, pulsing and throbbing with tremendous energy. To be able command and apply such a resource would give one the power of a god.
It's usually better for a movie to NOT show the alien creature. Most people's imaginations are scarier than CGI. Also, effects and makeup and costumes are always getting better, and it's the rare flick where the alien looks good 5 years later.
We know about the appearance of the Krell not only by the shape of the doors and the low railings, but also by the plastic educator. It gave a hint as to the size and shape of a Krell head.
So the Krell were big, smart spiders, huh? I don't think I would like to have dinner with them. Maybe David Bowie would!
@@The22on only if they were from Mars.
There's something uniquely awe-inspiring about a massive, planet-spanning machine with seemingly alien purpose that a simple man could never hope to understand.
Always wondered why the Krell had such big doorways but rode in a cramped little shuttle.
The workers were tiny, like the farmers who grow those Bonsai gardens
The big doorways might be for moving bulky equipment in and out, the way humans use garage doors or aircraft hanger doors.
Perhaps it was just one Krell to a shuttle. Their heads were big, but their doorways weren't very tall. I imagine them as elongated, possibly octopodal, creatures and what serve as benches for humans were limb rests for them.
In a never shot scene from the original script, Doc Ostro draws a sketch of a spider-like creature whose additional appendages greatly multiplied its manual dexterity. Maybe the darkness inside the shuttle car, viewed from one end, only made it look cramped. Also, each door may have permitted two of the Krell to walk through, side by side.
Don't be alarmed, gentlemen. Go ahead and look over the side. You'll fall three thousand feet if you fall over the side, but I won't tell you that until after you've looked over the side because I am such a tease.
Amazing base jump.
That scene I think is one of the creepiest in the movie.
a 10 mile drop isn't 3,000 feet.
@@kezadrone Just time it right so you don't get caught in that big zap!
The genius of Louis an Bebe Barron. Not only was the visual effects mind blowing. Ahh, but the sound effects !!! Mind blowing !!! - If you notice in the beginning of the movie they write "Tonalities by Louis and Bebe Barron". They could not write anything else because they were not in the actors guild. Louis and Bebe Barron were Pink-Floyd before Pink-Floyd. They actually made instruments to make their sounds
Also, they were NOT members of the American Federation of Musicians, therefore they could NOT say "music by "!
I love how Morbius totally dodges the question: "What it's all for?" Such a politician, that character.
RIght.. he starts blabbering about birds and deer... still awesome though.
But , …he really did not know until the commander later on said monsters from the ID. Then he realized all this was to create matter from thought.
This is still the best sf film ever made. It shows what sf is really about and what can be achieved if intelligence is let in the door.
I love this scene. It looks like a m. c. Escher painting. Warps the mind.
Great movie! Probably the best sci-fi film of the 50s.
Probably the BEST sci-fi movie EVER MADE.
No question. The 50's were the age of toy monsters made to look big. NOTHING like this. And I saw them ALL!
I suspect homage was paid to this by the Great Machine on Epsillion III in the series "Babylon 5".
Very nice!
I never seen this when I was 7 years old....
The energy powers in r country want us to burn fuel....
While we're sitting on top of it...
Drill down and have free Power for millenniums...
Hey ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Biden R U listening?
A dream come true... machine that amplifies brain waves to form what you're thinking. Projection by thought!!
The Krell basically built a Borg Cube underground.
😂😂😂
I don't think anything the Borg built rivals the achievements of the Krell. But imagine what would happen if the collective could tap into the Krell Machine. All the subconscious thoughts of all the beings assimilated by the Borg, suddenly made real.
I can't say enough about this WONDERFUL movie. I rank it up there with 2001: A Space Odyssey. And I rank 2001 as my favorite movie. And FP as second. The reason is that both movies deal with IDEAS. It's not s 'shot-em-up' western set in space (like Star Wars).
2001 had the basic idea that aliens helped the human mind to evolve. FP has the basic idea that the real destroyer of civilizations is reptile brains. All civilizations in the universe probably evolve from primitive creatures whose instinctive reactions made them violent. I think all lifeforms must go through a time when they were primitive and barbaric. FP says that the Krell killed each other when the Great Machine read their minds - unfortunately their SUBCONSCIOUS primitive minds. What a great idea!
The dialog in FP is top notch. It was written by two men who wrote for the theater.
This movie is sheer joy to me. Yes, some effects are primitive by today's CGI standards, but it's the IDEAS that never age. If we humans reach the tech of the Krell, I hope we remember the warnings from HAL9000 (beware AI) and The Great Machine (beware our id monsters).
Re HAL in 2001: AI wasn’t the problem, it was that HAL was given conflicting instructions. (Humans lied to it!)
This movie was SOOOOOO good
First saw this movie in the mid 70s as a young boy and it made a big impression on me-the plot,the sets,animation and part. the monster itself(only realized in recent years it was a creation of Morbious nightmares,hence the term "monsters from the id")it is one of my favorite movies and now appreciate how much work went into creating it Auckland New Zealand 2021
so glad that they never re-made this...one of my all-time favorite movie's.
brian centi be careful, they're talking about it in holly... it needs a full on protest.
***** are you kidding me ???
some things just need to be left alone..thanks for the update :)
Thank goodness even all the money in the world cannot recreate the gravitas of these old actors. Although with cgi I wouldn't put it past some A$$40L3 to try!
not remade, but Babylon5 has a massive tip the hat to this movie.
Yes I agree. Put can you imagine what that would look like using today's special effects.
Disney Masterpiece All these scene's & animated sequences of Forbidden Planet, especially the attack of the Id Monster, were created by veteran animator Joshua Meador, who was loaned out to MGM by Walt Disney, a close look at the creature shows it to have a small goatee beard, suggesting its connection to Dr. Morbius, the only character with this physical feature. Unusually, the scene in which the Id Monster is finally revealed during its attack on the Earth ship was not created using traditional cel animation. Instead, Meador simply sketched each frame of the entire sequence in black pencil on animation stand translucent vellum paper; each page was then photographed in high contrast, so that only the major details remained visible. These images were then photographically reversed into negative and the resulting white line images were then tinted red, creating the effect of the Id Monster's body remaining largely invisible, with only its major outlines illuminated by the energy from the force-field and blaster beams.
The beautiful Ann Francis doesn't get enough credit for this film.
I agree...she was stunning..
Morbius: "I have reason to believe that 16 years ago, a minor alteration was performed throughout its entire fabric"
*SPOILER*
I believe it altered itself to make it more compatible with Morbius's mind, so he could control it better.
Steven Litvintchouk Yea, that has been my interpretation of that line as well.
For the record, this is the machine on STANDBY Mode. I can't imagine what it must have been like the night it was active.
I always wondered why the big top like part was resting on it's side.when the machine turned on it stood up and spun,i guess.
I always wonder if the 'arch' triangular doorways were indicative of the vague morphology of the Krell, why is the little vehicle so small and circular...
Never ever remake this film.
Bitcoin mining in the future!
nice, thanks for sharing that info. and i don't doubt that they made sure to get the people they needed.
1:00 I have a horrendous fear of heights. If I was in sucha place, I would probably be plastered down to the middle of the bridge, unable to move.
1:45 "Yes, I'm terrified!"
I wouldn't even be able to look up!
Love this scene, love all of Forbidden Planet it was so far ahead of it's time, way before Star Trek or Dr Who or anything like that, amazing Robot, sets and affects. The story is based loosely on the Tempest by William Shakespear. The writers used his framework of words to come up with Altair IV and all it has too offer.
Roddenberry paid some subtle homages to Forbidden Planet in Star Trek TOS.
Born in 1950, I read everything, & tried to see any movies; this is a tremendous movie. Always .
One of my favorite movies. Way ahead of it's time. I've watched it maybe 12 times.
" Man does not behold the face of the Gorgon and live ! " lol
Love that shit. :-)
Exactly what I've noticed far in advance for '56.
Exactly what I've noticed far in advance for '56.
Richard McMahon: You call me😨a Gorgon?
Reminds me of stuff that HP Lovecraft would talk about
I always wonder how that was discovered...
well ofc it is a real threat. just look at greedy corporations.
and anyone who has gone through puberty and survived knows how their minds can be quite disturbing :p
"whats it all for" Morbius didn't know except for a vague reference to animal life energy registering with the Great Machine and a slight adjustment through it's structure 16 years ago." 9200 thermonuclear reactors in tandem! The harnessed power of an exploding Planetary system " I love this scene because it paints a picture of immense God like power at he fingertips of the Krell.
+stephen connell Incredible energy. Raw, pure, white hot energy harnessed by the huge Krell machine. It constantly pulses with this energy. If a machine like this exists somewhere in the Universe, nothing would be impossible. If you had it at your disposal you would indeed have the power of a God.
Chris Thornley The sad thing is for their intellect they never really knew themselves and as a result handed God like power to a beast hidden in the deepest recesses of their evolved brain. To quote Morbius,"They could; have hardly understood what was destroying them."
This is probably true for all other advanced civilisations in the Universe, and for humankind as well. No matter how highly developed we become technically, the primeval base self will still be there buried far below the surface, and can never be fully eradicated. It's still part of who we are and where we came from.
Chris Thornley Yes, its like the crazy relative we don't acknowledge but is still connected to us whether we like it or not .
wow.................................................................
Babylon 5 used the planet below like a giant machine in there series,.
I would have seen this in the Bayview Theatre in Toronto in 1956 when I was 7. I remember to it to this day. I don’t think another movie effected me. It still has great imagery. I was totally blown away of the Krell city! Even at 7 I understood what it was all about!
This movie Has stood the TIME TEST!!! The 10 Commandments,Ben-Hur, The Day the Earth Stood Still, The 1966 Planet of the Apes, and 2001. The Best Generation Remains
can you imagine how this must have blown the minds of theater-goers in 1956?? they must have talked about this movie for months.
Some of those 1950's moviegoers have commented here - they've been talking about it for decades. 😊
In Babylon 5 they had a machine ever-so-similar to this one! I think here is where they got the idea on B-5
The walkway/overhead shots from the episodes "A Voice in the Wilderness" Part I and II are actually a homage to this scene in Forbidden Planet.
There was an old Outer Limits
1963 episode which had a
similar idea. It was called "The
Man With The Power".
Patrick Rockwell Yes, good that you bring that up. I think you are quite right. That was an excellent episode and very frightening.
Patrick, I remember something like that but I wonder if it was on One Step Beyond? I'll check it and see what I might turn up. I do remember being scarred out of my pajamas when mom & dad let me watch some of those old shows, but I loved them as much as I feared they might be actual portends of the future!
Cheers!
JetMechMA I searched all the sites I know and found nothing. But now that you've got my interest up, I'll keep searching. It also might have been a foreign film or show.
Cheers!
Yes, Zathras works here too.
Better effects than the recent Prometheus crapfest. One of the best films ever made
Agreed.
Still haven't bothered to watch Promethebottom ...
The first truly modern Sci/Fi movie involving the senses on a grand scale.
Preceded, I think, by This Island Earth.
They got so much right in this movie. That is why it has stood the test of time.
03:10 J.J. Adams asks the obvious question: "But what's all for?".
MORBIUS
deliberately avoids answering, goes off on a spin about gauges and "buck deer".
"Yes, a single machine, a cube twenty miles on each side. For two thousand centuries it has waited patiently here, tuning and lubricating itself, replacing worn parts. I have reason to believe sixteen years ago, a minor alteration was performed throughout the entire eight thousand cubic miles of its own fabric." The vast Krell machine, an interesting concept, a machine that can link with the mind, and manipulate matter and energy at the subatomic level to create anything you want just by thinking of it. To externalize and recreate inner thoughts physically, pure creation. In the far future, I do think this may be possible, but would there ever be a way of barring the subconscious mind from being able to access this tremendous power? Forbidden Planet is an absolute sci fi classic!
Some say that it was ALREADY done in the distant past. Watch Richard C. Hoagland's videos. God forgid that they should ever acquire this power again.
tabletalk33 forbid.
+tabletalk33 It would require great wisdom and self control to be in possession of such a power. The consequence of the misuse of such a power is too terrible to even think of.
Chris Thornley As the Krell found out themselves on that day they wiped themselves out.
Chris Thornley I couldn't agree more. I don't think ANYBODY could resist the temptations that this incredible, god-like technology would present to them. As I wrote, I think that this sort of catastrophe has already happened somewhere in the universe, perhaps closeby?
A scene like this would be totally CG, possibly down to the actors walking in the Great Machine. There would be a huge amount of detail: panels, cables, conduits, braces, lights everywhere. And it would look impressive but feel lost. Here, the designers based there interior in what movie goers of 1956 knew about but likely never seen in person: the interiors of hydroelectric dams. They kept the designs simple but massive, heavy and formidable. Even pieces that should be delicate, like the glass spheres, feel indestructible. Today the look would be complex. Back then, they went for iconic.
Zathras! Zathras! Never around when he's needed...
Look down here . Are you afraid ? Yes I'm afraid . The guard rail is at my knees.
The most vivid memory I have of my childhood is watching this on the TV when I was around 4 years old.
I have older memories but they are more vague - just flashes of images and emotions - but I can still remember every scene of this movie from the first time I watched it 44 years ago like it was yesterday.
This scene in particular always stood out for me.
I would like to see this movie remastered and given ANOTHER release in the theatres. I'd go...
Amazing conceptual depiction of but one aspect of an alien civilization so advanced. My guess is that Klattu's planet in The Day The Earth Stood Still would likewise have had some equivalent of this type of power production. (But then while they did not have the 'mind machine', they had something much more practical and stable-----Gort the enforcer robot & his compatriots.) Aside from that, the lost Krell civilization and the mysteries of it constitute one of the most brilliant alien concepts & backdrop themes in all of science fiction.
Not so clear in the movie but in the original story it was the machines that were actually running the society. Klaatu was just there as the spokesman.
0:20 Scene filmed at Pittsburgh airport on way to Baggage pick up.
I remember the first time I saw this as a child and this scene really wowed me. And Leslie Nielsen is so young! He was 29 when this was filmed. Walter Pidgeon was 56 and Anne Francis was 25.
This scene is simply spectacular even by today's standards, the movement of the camera when they show the levels of the complex from above is not typical of a 50's movie, this scene would not be out of place in a more modern movie such as "Dune" .
Undoubtedly one of the best Science Fiction movies ever produced. What happens when we find a ancient machine like this on Mars one day?!?
The US DoD will claim ownership of it.
@@Puzzoozoo Assuming the Chinese don't claim it first. It wouldn't surprise me if a Chinese manned mission is the first to reach Mars.
Surely the inspiration behind the Death Star interior
One of the ideas for the re-make is that Altaira is not really human; she's a product of genetic engineering, as Morbius' wife died before they had a child. He created her as his successor, as she would be able to control the entire Krell machine with immensely more grace that he could. Meeting all those eligible men happened before she was about to become a goddess, and Morbius' subconscious could not stand the sacrilege.
Wow, and even still that metal robot had a woody for her.
Babylon 5 did a story like this the planet below them was run by one person in a machine that was like this.
This movie is truly one of the pioneers of sci fi blockbusters, especially coming out of the time it came out of......
Wow they took Vacuum tube technology to a whole new level.
Klystron!
At clicking relays! 1950s technology (though admittedly still in use today, too).
Every time I see this movie I get a look at some of the most brilliant writing in the history of science fiction.
no, Akira, Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind, or Ghost in the Shell would be the most brilliant sci-fi writing.
@@RinoaL How about both? I think it's all fantastic - Forbidden Planet, The Day the Earth Stood Still, Nausicaä, Ghost in the Shell, Babylon 5, Star Trek, The Expanse, or even such fantastical Space Opera as Star Wars or Space Battleship Yamato - Or Captain Harlock!
The Moon is A Harsh Mistress
Ringworld
Dune
Even arguable dreck (but FUN dreck) like Flash Gordon, Highlander, Power Rangers and most DC and Marvel Superhero films/TV.
It's ALL wonderful!!
Science Fiction and Fantasy free the human mind and creativity of every shackle and let us fly to countless worlds without end.
Is this where the writers for Babylon 5 got the idea for the Great Machine?