Edge On Tribalism In Pro Wrestling
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2024
- AEW star & WWE Hall of Famer Adam Copeland (aka Edge) joins Chris Van Vliet to discuss his take on the constant tribalist behavior in pro wrestling between fans of WWE and AEW.
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I love wrestling, but i hate the "fans"
IWC is truly the most toxic and obnoxious thing there is
@@maxvazquez7213
Wtf does "IWC" mean at this point.
Yur using outdated terms from 20 years ago.
At this point "fans" has more of a meaning.
@@maxvazquez7213You know where you are making this comment right? You're part of it, we all are.
@@elmerinase5734 sadly I'm part of it
@@TheHardys01 Since you got offended by such an "outdated" term (wonder why...) let me rephrase what I said.
Wrestling community/pro wrestling fans are so dense, toxic and obnoxious
Hope you don't get offended now
I will never understand being upset at someone for going to another company to try something new. It’s happens all the time in sports when a player gets traded to another team, but if you go to a different wrestling company “you’re a traitor”
Imagine what it's like being a person who hates to see other people get jobs? It's crazy.
*traitor
Well, what do you call someone who goes to the evil empire?
Ha.
@@Am0ment0fBSuccessful?
Facts. Some people need to get a life
humans are weird now, back in the day you could find hundreds of fans who loved wrestling, and talk about whatever company you watched or didnt...
You thought everybody back then was cheering for both WWF and WCW? 😂
said no one over.
Back in the day there was barely another wrestling company 😂
@@ArtsyAllAroundalot of people did dunce. Alot of ppl do now. Not every fan is close minded.
@@ArtsyAllAround Exactly, I hate people like this who say we should “enjoy all wrestling”, when it’s known
people just have preferences. It’s like the Xbox vs PlayStation war, you really think one person saying “we should enjoy all consoles” would solve the war? No.
I gave up arguing with people who Only know WWE and hate on AEW.... Adam said it best "I wanted to see everything I could" thats how most of us OG pro wrestling fans are.
That is probably the most incorrect use of OG I've ever seen.
@@RagingCookie127 🤷🏿♂️
Edge one hundred percent speaks the truth, and fools still can't realize it. Nobody benefits from a monopoly, even the monopoly itself stagnates & suffers without the threat of competition.
Edge got paid millions to go in front of empty arenas and play with his best friend
Then maybe he should actually do something cool in the company because so far their terrible program with his buddy has drawn no money or attention to the company. It's actually gotten worse since he joined I think. So instead of cutting some BS promo that your Boss needs to hear, DO SOMETHING WORTH THE MONEY YOU'RE BEING PAID.
@@captaindeadpool2655 Yea like he should have turned heel and joined Christian as a dominant force or something.
@@anthonyanderson9303 He should have came in being cool with everyone but when issues started to arise with (random AEW wrestler name) and Christian, Edge should turn heel violently protecting his friend.
Then you get to team with Christian and turn it into a blood feud somewhere down the line similar to The Bloodline format.
Lol Edge made a fool outta himself with that rah rah speech when his boss is the one who fuels the tribalism
The irony of this video's comments section.
The irony of Edge saying this while simultaneously working for the biggest source of tribalism today
@@TheTennesseeFistMachine You're a hypocrite. You're a WWE fan yet you generated tribalism by commenting that. WWE fans are the tribalistic ones. There's more of you, so you're the aggressors. Which makes WWE the biggest source of tribalism, statisitcally speaking it's a fact.
@@TheTennesseeFistMachinewwe fans are the source of all the negativity
@@purveyoroftruth7096you’re exactly right
@purveyoroftruth7096 Meanwhile, Tony Khan is the one making 99% of comments about WWE 😂
Tribalism is everywhere from Coke vs Pepsi, Windows vs Mac, Xbox vs PlayStation vs Nintendo, etc. I have no problem with people who prefer one brand over another, However, people that want certain brands to fail because they don't like the brand but then complain about monopolies.
what do you mean ? Its not pepsivs coke. As the leader of tony khan puts it its Pespi vs harvey weinstein
Adam comparing people only watching one wrestling show to going to only one restaurant is 100% accurate and true!
You are going to get tired of it eventually. Variety is a good thing!
AEW is more of a food court. The reason I prefer them is that each wrestler gets to determine their own style. Every story is different.
@@redrick8900 You sum it up nicely
I love WWE and AEW, there's great wrestlers in both companies. Both of them are putting on some great matches. As a wrestling fan I feel like we're spoiled these days with all this wrestling available to watch every week. (In the best way possible)
What is this obsession great matches? The product, stories, and characters are the most important to success and quality. Great matches come add to these things. AEW is garbage.
@@SefniAsheforr Look at your response. A wrestling fan comes in, says he enjoys watching both companies and likes the matches both companies are putting on. And your only response is to call something 'garbage.' You're exactly the problem.
@@rl-cx6kfyeah he’s a wwe mark
@@SefniAsheforr AEW has better story telling than WWE, which is just doing the same program over and over.
@@redrick8900 😂😂😂😂😂
You have to be in a mental institution 😂😂😂
Ngl when Adam went to AEW I felt super excited because I knew he was going to work with Christian Cage. They did NOT disappoint.
What truly matters is that the wrestler, wherever they might go, is happy and healthy. And that's coming from somebody who primarily watches WWE nowadays.
Best wishes to Adam!
They did disappoint though. Those matches suck and drew no money
@goby1764 how much of that money have you made? None? None. Shut the fuck up then.
Exactly. Wrestlers in both companies wish each other the best and that's all that matters
@@goby1764 It was a bit of a letdown tho considering how good that initial promo was when Christian told him to go F himself.
@@jamesange3124 except it's not?
They're kids who didn't grow up yet
Sad part is they aren't listening to the people who they like
They seem older people whp haven't grown up
They're 30 years olds who have no lives 😂
The power of talking trash to someone online that can't hit you back. We are living in this digital age where every wrestling company, every company, big or small is available at our fingertips. Indies, Japan, WWE, AEW, sit back and enjoy.
Agree with Adam Copeland. Tribalism is pathetic. I love AEW. But if you love WWE good on you. Just can’t take the no it alls, who have nothing better to do than spew negativity and nonsense.
I enjoy both WWE and AEW, I don't understand the tribalism and the BS from people, wrestling is booming and hot again, why can't they just enjoy it?
@@Hardvengence very well said and agree 100 percent
@@Hardvengence Perfect description, i always ask myself the same thing: why can't they just enjoy wrestling? You litterally read my mind. What do i do about that? I enjoy wrestling and mind my own wrestling.
I used to enjoy AEW.....but the product forced me to wwe....which has improved alot in the HHH era. TNA is killing it, MLW is ok.....there's plenty out there to watch. It's all just ice cream, some people just like different flavors.
@@ipv-gachaedition103there's a big subsection of the IWC who's belief is "enjoy all wrestling" or "enjoy anything but WWE"
To me, liking ALL wrestling; the statement specifically is dumb. To me, there's people who like Death match Wrestling (I'm one of them), but a lot who doesn't
Not everyone needs to like everything, and that's okay. Enjoy what wrestling you like, simple as that
Even though I don’t watch aew rn, I agree I would love to see that company grows so better
Tribalism is currently so bad, worse than it's ever been, that I was even hesitant to look at the comments here since I'm so used to tribalistic WWE fans going "aEw BaD!" by their NPC default setting. Thankfully, this comment section is one of the saner ones in the wrestling space.
nag remeber, its not the fans of AEW that says fuck wwe, its the wrestlers and their owner during their shows
The tribalism is because of trolls, marks and former wrestlers all having their own opinions on the internet. I've watched wrestling since the mid nineties and I'm sure if we went back in time you could find tribalism. Adam makes a good point that isolating yourself to one team doesn't make you a fan of the sport itself. I love wrestling and primarily only watch AEW at this point. I would watch AEW and WWE but WWE just doesn't do anything for me in regards to entertainment so I just stopped it. Doesn't mean I am team AEW, I just like it more than what else is shown
Agree 100%. I'm the same way.
It's like burger King or McDonald's like you'd love both but 1 is your go to 🤘🏼🔥
Like it or not former wrestlers are 100% justified to express their opinions on the wrestling business
The whole idea of AEW was they were supposed to be the alternative to WWE. But they're making the same mistakes TNA made post-2009. They're become WWE junior and hiring all these ex WWE guys isn't helping.
There is the WWE that has Sami turn on Roman at the Royal Rumble.
There is the WWE that has a giant Cinnamon Toast Crunch dance Rey Mysterio to the ring for what is supposed to be a serious match.
&There is the WWE that allows things like the Janel Grant & Ashley Massaro incidents to take place.
Very rarely is it the first one.
AEW is the more reliable/higher quality product.
Edge: Tribalism is bad for wrestling
Will Osprey: Hold my beer
HHH threw the first shot at Ospreay.
@@jeice2226 no he didn’t, he could’ve been talking about a bunch of diff ppl, wee lil Willy is the least likely of all the potential targets. What would they even do with him in WWE? He’s barely bigger than Finn, he belongs in AEW and independents, he doesn’t belong on the big stage, not if he wants to be a top star. Yea, that lil elbow is gonna take out Bron or a Samoan, sure.
@@jeice2226 its opsreays ego to believe that hunter directly targeted him when it was pretty obvious he meant in general and sure he probably did mean a large portion of indie guys especially AEW.
If i was hunter i would be annoyed if i offered these guys countless offers and they keep turning them down, others would beg to get the same chance
Ospreay is a Hypocrite then because he just swapped from New Japan to AEW If there was a monopoly, he wouldn't have had New Japan to begin with and would still be jobbing in AEW to this day.
@@CynicalGamingBlogTerry309 I can’t stand him myself. My first time seeing him ever was the Chris Van Vliet interview and I thought he came across as a giant bag of douche. Like he’s so much better than everyone, just a wicked douchey attitude, especially for someone that’s never drawn here in the states. His storytelling in the ring sucks, one second his fighting for his life and the next he’s doing all kinds of flippy dippy power moves without a hint of pain. His finisher is the worst too. Oh no, and elbow to the head. How will they ever live thru that, meanwhile he did 50 way more devastating things during the match, things that should be finishers.
Love Chris' interview style. I'd say chris and james from the dutch podcasts are definitely the two best wrestling interviewers out there.
It's not hard to just enjoy wrestling
Even if it sucks right?
@@polsdoferAt the moment it doesn't so it's not hard right now. Wrestling has never been better than right now.
@@polsdoferdifferent strokes for different folks
@elmerinase5734 can't enjoy AEW right now because it indeed sucks right now. Plus Tony Khan is unlikable and so is 95 percent of his roster. If you like it more power to you but I'm not gonna eat garbage and call it ice cream. And just so anyone calls me a WWE shill or whatever, they had a terrible product too before and after AEW started. WWE has gotten alot better recently though.
It is when a company is as cringe and awful as AEW.
I got so fed up with the fandom recently that I stopped following wrestling news and stopped participating in the discourse. I legit had a moment where I contemplated giving up wrestling, but then I thought that I'm not going to let others ruin my enjoyment of something that's been a big part of my life. It's been so nice being removed from everything, and I can just watch wrestling. I don't really care about initials. If I'm interested in a product, then I'll watch it or at least keep up with it. AEW is the only product I watch on a weekly basis at the moment. I watch WWE's PLEs and sometimes catch TNA's PPVs, but I don't watch week to week. That can always change though. The amount of times people online have accused me of being a tribalist or hating certain products says a lot about the community.
I'm glad to be out, if you reply to this comment, I will not respond. :)
That first chunk of your comment is such a mood
I aspire this same mindset. I'm slowly but surely removing myself from engaging with the fanbase too. They're hopeless to speak with.
I love Adam's positivity. Why is this such a hard concept to grasp. I am a wrestling fan. I didnt stand it with WCW vs. WWF vs. ECW., i didnt understand it with TNA vs. WWE, and I dont understand it with AEW vs. WWE. It's just rediculous to me. Absolutely absurd.
Finding TNA was like a miracle for me. As a kid who was tired of the formula, seeing that 6 sided ring and the superstars made me so happy I had another option out there.
I still watch shows from every wrestling league I like. Although I realize that not everyone does it that way. But it would be a shame if there was just one big promotion that everyone followed. Furthermore, it would be bad for wrestling, because there would only be one style.
Wrestlers can go to whatever company they want. There shouldn't be this split between fans as there is. Edge/Adam is the same amazing performer no matter what company he works for.
For me it's not an issue of tribalism. I'm just not a fan of AEW. Believe me, I wish there was another company that I enjoyed because when I was a kid, it was so much fun watching WWF, WCW, and ECW.
Tribalism exists because of quality control issues. When I was younger, I was able to watch TNA and WWE and enjoyed them equally. TNA had a lot of homegrown stars like Bobby Roode, James Storm, Abyss, AJ Styles, and Samoa Joe, with a good mix of established WWE names like Sting, Booker T, Kurt Angle, Christian, etc. So, it made for compelling TV, at least from a kid's perspective. However, I think AEW would be much better if Tony stopped booking the show. Also, I think these smaller wrestlers aren’t much of a draw besides MJF. So, I guess it all comes down to a matter of preference. I think many people like WWE presentations and creative direction more than AEW. Which creates this feeling of being WWE or bust within IWC. So that’s where the tribalism comes from. It’s like NFL vs UFL.
I kinda want to know if he’s seen posts saying “Tony Khan really had him go out there after the footage was shown”, and I wanna know his take on that
Back in the day with WCW and WWF it was understandable, they aired at the same time. Now, there is no excuse. You can watch all wrestling programs at your own convenience.
I never hated Edge moving to AEW because I want him to try different things in a different environment. But other wrestling fans are fickle so yeah...
I feel like Tony has to stop it because it is crazy to have Edge out there to make an amazing speech then 4 days latter Tony said what he said on NFL
Believe Me Adam Copeland as a long-term wrestling fan I have no idea why people pick sides like you said if wrestling was on I wanted to see it all no matter how where or when.
Tribalism is even worse when the owners of one of the places is the one who contributes most to it
I’ve said this many times now.. I’m like Adam was or still is with wrestling. If you think about it, wrestling is available to be watched a guaranteed 6 DAYS A WEEK. Sometimes 7 if there’s a PPV (or PLE), 10 years ago, it was what? 4 days a week including PPVs? We as fans have so much wrestling contest at the click of a button what is there to complain about? Like they’ve said in basketball, “ Just shut up and dribble.” Well, just shut up and watch wrestling. 🎤 drop
History repeats itself and what i mean by that is tribalism within the wrestling community has always been a thing it's just more amplified with social media being relevant. There were people who strictly watched WCW, ECW, and WWE back in the 90s however it wasn't as "in your face" as it is today
love both companies man people forget that the most important thing is how the wrestlers are feeling and if they are happy they are the ones who produce our entertainment with their bodies
I completely understand where Adam is coming from I don't have allegiance to inetales I personally only watch wwe cause I find it truly entertaining like I don't watch tna anymore cause it wasn't entertaining anymore just like I don't watch aew it's not entertaining to me love you Adam hope the rest of your career turns out how you want 😊❤
Capital Group av" what's your Edge " got me off guard 😂
Ashley Massaro still deserves justice. As does countless other victims of McMahon. But NO ONE can convince me that Vince and Laurinaitis were the only people who knew anything about (or was involved in) this stuff going on for decades! I love watching lot's of different promotions (always have). But WWE can piss off!
WWE fans are toxic people. I have seen them aruge "Owen knew the risks and Owen should be in WWE's HoF because of that." They stopped saying Saudi Arabia is bad and the worse is the female wrestlers can't be exposed. They claim Vince's accusations are the same level as Jericho's which one has a suit with specific allegations and the other has tweets.
Tony khan: “AEW is the Pepsi of pro wrestling and WWE is the Harvey Weinstein pro wrestling” literally happened just 2 weeks ago
He's right though.
@@littleabigail4328 maybe the past 100% it was like that especially with Vince but not anymore
I rely a lot on UA-cam for any wrestling that's not WWE or AEW cause those 2 are aired weekly on cable. I like watching independent wrestling, CMLL, ROH, TNA, NJPW. During covid I watched pretty much every will ospreay matches that were available. I stopped watching WWE from 2013-2022 after I got cable post covid I started watching WWE again and was able to watch weekly AEW not just watch Dark and highlights from dynamite/ rampage
💯💯
I tried to watch TNA on television the other day until I saw a commercial for TNA+ for $9.99 per month and realized that I did not want to invest in watching the television show if I was not going to watch the premium live event that it was building to. I watch multiple police shows like The Rookie and Chicago PD but they do not lead to a culminating event that I have to pay for. So since I pay for Peacock (I used to have WWE Network) I watch WWE and when Edge left WWE it really was a loss because the AEW pay-per-views are not in my budget and also time is a factor because instead of watching another show like 911 Lonestar I would have to invest more time in another wrestling show on top of paying for another pay-per-view streaming service if I wanted to follow a wrestler that went to another company.
Tell your boss to stop fanning the flames of tribalism then
Edge is definitely 100% right. Imagine saying you love wrestling but get triggered when your favorite talent is released and get triggered again when they get a better job and exposure at a new company. Then just hating their guts and not being happy for them for finding work and being able to continue their careers and well feed their families
Wrestling Tribalism is the Biggest Heel in Wrestling Today….someone tell the toxic fans & TK that
But why do people blame Del Rio for his retirement? I don't get it? I wasn't watching wrestling back then can anyone tell me?
I need to see Switchblade Jay White vs Adam Copeland and honestly Tony Khan should have Switchblade Jay White dethrone Adam Copeland for the TNT Championship. Copeland is 100% right, if you're a wrestling fan, be loyal to wrestling not some letters on a board. All wrestling is great and each promotion has it high points and points that it can improve on but competition is the best thing for the wrestling business.
Thats not a problem for me ill watch any wrestling that is good but i cant watch aew anymore. That ship has sailed for me i think. I do check out what edge/Copeland is doing because he i a childhood favourite of mine. I always knew he would be a main eventer and people thought I was crazy lol he was my favourite from 99 and finally after the ladder match at mania people started seeing it more and more. When i would tell people he was my favourite they would always say but the rock is better or this guy is better and he will never be champion and my own big brother who was a few years older and understood wrestling more even said it wouldn't happen but i never lost faith. The night he finally cashed in i felt so vindicated for my years of belief. But even if he didn't win it he was still gonna be my favourite and im glad he is still doing what he loves. But going back to what i was saying about aew i will check out his stuff but cant sit through the whole show i just cant stand some of the wrestlers too much to watch.. its not heel heat either i just groan when certain people come on screen. Anyway good luck adam/edge ill check out your stuff always dude you were a big part of my childhood.
Adam let's be honest. Your boss is making things worse
Bro I just want these wrestlers to use the competition to get that bag
I like AEW but I just can’t support Tony Khan and The Bucks after the mismanagement of CM Punk.
Their TV can be great but I just see a boss who isn’t fit for the industry and 2 troublemakers.
Punk's a crybaby who got himself booted out of AEW
You're not supposed to support the bucks, you're supposed to boo them.
Who's face is on 1:25 that briefcase 💼?
Well adam all i can tell you is you wanted this ok you said that you are free it felt fun smmfh you broke our hearts when you went to the other side‼️💐
“Tribalism” has always been in wrestling. From the territory days to wcw ecw wwf.
Not really the wrestlers and media is what’s the problem now along with this podcasters
No. That was business competition. Fans didn't typically hate on companies they didn't watch. I didn't care for WCW but I didn't try to convince people it was trash and should go out of business.
@@redrick8900 I agree, but the media also feeds into this bullshit. How many times has the wrestler observer Dave Melzer and all these podcasts try to push the narrative that they’re in a war or wrestling fans are in a war between AEW and WWE that does not help things at all not to mention you have podcasts like Jim Cornette Eric Bischoff who have literally made it their mission to see AEW fail
Edge: “tribalism is bad”
Also edge: “this is where the best wrestle”
To be fair, wwe hadnt used the wrestling word for a while until fairly recent
Because believing in the company you work for fuels tribalism? What a weird take...
@@Tranceplant82 it kinda does, its like going why watch anywhere else when we have the best stuff here. Goes against the idea of hey watch everything
@@dylansetright3359 That's not what he's saying. Those who say "Where the best wrestle" means they believe the best wrestle in AEW. Doesn't mean the other places are shitty, doesn't mean the other places are not worth watching. And of course you would root for your own place. Nobody would say "Our program is good but go watch the other one too.". No one would ever do that.
It is where the best wrestle.
More companies means more entertainment for us
The problem with todays fans is that they have only used to WWE for the last 20 years that their not used to seeing another company on a major TV network
That’s why I respect Edge and Mercedes because they are open minded when it comes to wrestling. They get it. They just love pro wrestling.
They love money dumbass
What's the belt behind edge? Goat tag team championship?
I appreciate him so much
I’ll watch whatever has good programming. If I like someone in AEW I’ll turn for that, same with WWE.
Well, that promo about tribalism and 'enjoy wrestling' should be for your boss and that should have happened on the backstage not in the middle of the ring.
Idk because I can imagine Undertaker saying that
I also have felt like this as a kid I watch different things
True, last time i watch WWE edge still a partner with christian
Personally I haven't been a fan of WWE since 2005, and haven't watched a full event from them since Mania 21. I just don't like how they present wrestling.
However, I'm happy they exist, I think they're moving in a better direction without Vince, but it's still story driven as the #1 priority. Look at WM XL, lots of people liked it. It was just mid to me. Most matches that I saw were ok, nothing special.
I prefer action as the #1 set piece. But I am not tribalistic to one brand. I like pretty much all wrestling.
this describes me 100 percent i watch it all , why do you think im the pro wrestling encolypedia according to family friends etc 👌
Wrestling is at the best it’s been in decades and we got a bunch of idiots who would rather be miserable about it than enjoy it. Wresting fans are so damn weird sometimes man.
Smart words
Ive always been wwf,e fan but also have watched wcw tna impact NJPW if my favourite wrestlers have gone there,but that's me.they are along time retired see them when you can
Come on. Let’s be honest…the biggest tribalist of them all is Tony Khan. He constantly attacks WWE by calling it the Evil Empire. Hell, he was just doing that a few weeks ago.
He's not wrong
Dosnt negate the fact some wwe fans had a meltdown when edge went to aew
@@hyperchord they have been around a lot longer and know how to grow their fanbase. aew needs to take pointers from them. otherwise they will disappear like all the rest
Man Triple H started this remember? "Pissant Company"
The problem with Tony is that he overdoes it too much
The problem isn't more than one company.
The problem is that the current "alternative" company is run by Tony Clown.
You are mad at a man for being the best booker in wrestling.
Best booker lol😂. He is a match maker. Dream match dream match well eventually you need to make stars and tell a story.
@@stevenheimbach574 Pretending to laugh is how millennials try to project confidence when you have no clue what you are talking about.
@redrick8900 good comeback. Ya nailed it. Give me some evidence of being wrong. Is it the staggering television ratings or is it the full houses they are performing in front of? I'll wait clown.
I don’t mind him going to AEW. I just hate that BS promo he cut the other week.
it's not even brand vs brand. i've been attacked by fans of the same show i watch because i don't agree with them on things. it's like you can't even have your own opinion w/o being raked across the coals
People need to stop the bs
Cope is exactly right. I watch F1, but I'm not going to go on a tirade about how IndyCar sucks ass. It doesn't at all, and there's a lot of great racing in IndyCar.
More companies are better for everyone. Especially the wrestlers because they have more options. I don't understand how more people don't see that. Everyone wins.
I don't support tribalism, but it's hard to not pick a side when one company has made it it's mission since it's inception to knock the existing company at every opportunity it could instead of focusing on making your own company the best it could be. Tribalism would probably exist regardless but it's flourishing now because you have an owner of one company whose sole purpose is too compete instead of exist and flourish and let the product you put out speak for itself. Yet the majority of folks would have you believe it's the pettiness of the fans as opposed to the owner of one specific company basically imploring you to pick a side.
Lmao you're so out of touch
Also there needs to be competition or else everything gets complacent. WWE sucked balls before AEW. Now they are actually giving you something worth watching.
@@FL3MSH4DYLmao WWE didn't improve because of AEW, WWE product was declining, lackluster and stale until HHH tookover and Vince was removed permanently. Even when WWE was stale between 2018-2022, AEW never went head to head with RAW or SmackDown the flagship show and beat em, to say it serves as competition is straight up coping. The only direct competition AEW had with WWE was NXT that's it. AEW started declining after Rhodes left, Kenny Omega is the only adult left in management. AEW will continue to decline unless Tony Khan takes a back seat as booker. Tony Khan and the Young bucks are holding AEW back from achieving its full potential.
@@FL3MSH4DY😂😂 AEW was never a competition to WWE even on WWE worst days under Vince. Today ratings, attendance and viewership of AEW felt flat because of Tiny Khan, taking constant cheap shots on his TV for 5+ years instead of focusing on his own show, it eventually came to haunt him back. He promotes WWE more than WWE does themselves. AEW 2019 vs AEW 2024 have day and night difference. It's the bitter truth.
@@FL3MSH4DY alot of the negativity is fostered by the owners obsession with deflecting criticisms of his product, citing its either 'bad faith takes' or colluding bots. alongside monthly twitter meltdowns about 'bald assholes' in the fed
Im a wrestling mark period lol
I watch aew and njpw
I watch wwe highlights on youtube focuding on the bloodline and watch some of the ppvs
I just hope the real forbidden door happens one day AEWWE
That should happen at survivor series or wrestlemania
@Terri234 that's what I'm hoping for
And the perso to lead it imo should be moxley
no Adam Cope-land , its not that we hate wrestling, we hate bad wrestling like aew is promoting
Imagine attacking a friend who goes from a Tesco cashier to be a Walmart cashier. It's literally just a job and these people are workers. The internet really desensitized you all, these are not imaginary characters. Also how do you know he isn't happier here than in WWE? I don't watch AEW at all (ok I must tune in for MJF and Ospreay) but maybe it has everything he needs. Great money, lighter schedule, and maybe even other benefits he prefers. He is a made damn man, let him enjoy wrestling with Christian.
Who's face is on that punch dummy in the back?
Edge thinks people were pissed at him for joining AEW. MAYBE they thought he had more to do in WWE as far as putting younger talent over since he won every feud he had, beat DEMON Finn at Wrestlemania, beat Grayson on smackdown, beat sheamus on smackdown, etc. so maybe people thought there wasn’t enough giving back done.
But also, Edge goes online and sits on his porch and polices the fans by saying they shouldn’t speculate on whether or not he’s joining a different company, and then he DOES which justifies fan speculation. And then he says him in AEW is a “new character” even though he’s literally being called the Rated R Superstar and shirts were made that said “LEDGENdary” on them.
So maybe it’s not so much tribalism but people having a natural reaction to their intelligence being insulted.
And nobody wants to hear what an AEW wrestler thinks of tribalism when their boss is the worst example in media. “The fans are to blame, the fans are to blame” - look at your boss lol
When you have to do a cringe rah-rah speech to explain that you love wrestling and AEW, your company probably ain't at its best. I think people have become tired of Tony's booking and the show's overall silliness. The numbers back that up, too. Edge said in his first presser that being in AEW is like being in the indies. That's the problem. I wasn't tribal about WWE vs AEW until the gap between the 2 became so wide that I couldn't take AEW seriously anymore.
This , he can say whatever he wants but the booking on that show is abysmal and if we call it out we “hate wrestling “ and we’re tribalism, like bruh let’s not sit here and act like the Copeland v Christian feud was something special cuz it wasn’t 😂
"The companies hate each other, and it will be a natural resource that powers the industry" - Tony Khan
lol you have to care enough about something to hate it and WWE couldn't give two shits about the friends group over there.
That's such a lie and you know it
@ FL3MSH4DY except it’s a direct quote
A serious question is tribalism and negative or its fair criticism about the product
Someone should tell him most of it comes from his boss.
I watch some aew content I watch some njpw content but mostly wwe content but I think most of the aew hate is because of Tony
“There’s so much negativity” BECAUSE OF YOUR BOSS AND HIS CONSTANT NEED FOR BASHING WWE, TK is the guy who created the tribalism because he kept taking shots at WWE right from the start.
Road goes both ways.
@@jaydenrockactually it doesn't
@@Bls-of1ld oh, you have brain damage. My bad.
@@jaydenrock it doesn’t because TK literally started it😂 so how is it both ways?? You know yourself that AEW took 10 times as many shots as the WWE
Adam, not the Leafs please 😭
It’s fucking depressing reading the comment section on any story about AEW. It’s just WWE fans hijacking it. I remember Booker T when WWE was doing badly a couple of years ago saying They’re my team, I want my team to do well. And I thought, Jesus, you’re talking about a corporation, Book.
Hard to enjoy all wrestling when a particular brand of wrestling isn't enjoyable. That's your fault not the audience
Oh hush
@@jaydenrock no
@Terri234 you hush too
Peope who cant get multiple jobs and stuck at their desk jobs hate others who want to better themselves
I absolutely hate how often Tony Khan insults wwe; and AEW wrestlers shouldn't reference wwe too much. They should rarely reference wwe; if at all. With that said though, the venomous hatred towards AEW from wwe stans is absolutely disgusting. The wwe stans go on AEW posts and channels and leave hateful comments about AEW performers, AEW fans and talk about how much they want AEW to fail. If they hate AEW so much, they can simply choose to not watch it. Following AEW posts and channels to spew out hatred is unnecessary and cruel.
Well said.
@@thestonedgeek8928 Thank you.
this goes both ways, you get AEW stans on everything as well and also constantly taking shots at performers or some made up shit like "match time" on a show. Like AEW fans tried to make it sound like a show like Elimination Chamber barely had wrestling on it, I was there at the show. Literally the only reason why there was time between matches is cause they had to set the chamber up and take it back up.
@@dylansetright3359 you might get some, but no where to the extent you see WWE fans trolling every single post related to AEW. Just look at this comment section for example.
@Terri234 yeah, we know guy. Was there a point to your comment other then to waste a minute of my time?
Look no further than the mark tribal chief Tony Khan as the main source of fueling tribalism within wrestling fanbases.
Yet you ignore what Triple H said about Ospreay because you have an agenda.
Never mentioned Ospreay in particular, and you know it too.
@@sanyadev97 I'm sorry that you need everything spelled out to you to understand things, it much be very difficult for you.
Literally the only person in the time he made that comment that he could have been talking about was Ospreay. A man who negotiated with him in good faith and then got shit on for choosing to work elsewhere.
I want both companies to succeed. But you can’t say “no tribalism” when your boss was just on national television calling your competition “evil” and making assault/weinstein jokes. It just doesn’t add up
Wait, this is Adam
He actually DM'd me on Twitter responding to my tweet about that Ra Ra promo
Pics or it didn't happen
What I compare the wrestling tribalism to is sports tribalism. In some places if you like the Toronto Maple Leafs you can’t like or even respect the Montreal Canadians.
I would agree with his take if his own boss TK didn’t promote tribalism 24/7 on his social media account and even goes as far making that stupid comparison by comparing Pepsi to freaking Harvey Weinstein 😂
It's a work brotha.
See, this is exactly my problem with CVV. You've got a dude sitting here saying "i dont understand tribalism etc etc", and not once does Van Vliet say "well you know, the dude you work for is easily the biggest source of said tribalism these days and that doesn't help"
But not, we get the wrestling equivalent of "i watched the movie last night and OMG u were amaaaaaazing"
Antagonizing your interviewees isn't a good way to keep them willing to be interviewed again.
Tell us you're overrly Antagonizistic without saying it
@deathmauler181 it's not antagonizing a wrestler to speak facts about the owner of said company. It's like saying vince is the reason wwe was more or less nonsense and weird during the pg era because Vince didn't know how to book shit, Tony is bad about dragging drama through the mud because he was made fun of for his pathetic "I was fearing for my life" then made his top talent talk shit about wwe and cm punk because viewers don't bring in money, the Dave Meltzer ratings do
@@Ownerz4life7 it will actively antagonize and put them off from coming back.
Assuming he has to clear his appearances with Tony, that will also get in the way. You can't get answers from people who will shut down.
Honestly have you spoken to anyone on things that they were unwilling to talk to at first, brute forcing a conversation isn't always a good way to get answers.
@@deathmauler181 then what are we even watching if any questions people want to be asked aren't going to be like as pathetic as I think halwani sometimes is I have to give him that he asks all the questions that are out there
@@trollfacemafiagaming6036 someone asking questions on recent events
You build up a connection with people then you ask the questions that may rock the boat.
If people are more comfortable with you addressing topics that are more spicy becomes alot easier