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This also works if you follow water through the tubes, from one into another, but with a non-conductive section connecting the tubes end to end. This, put in parallel (picture war following through and around a bundle of straws) , with all tubes connected in series using appropriate wire, increases surface area contact and therefore voltage.
After the rubber band battery, I was half expecting Lord Kelvin's Thunderstorm (really cool device). When you view batteries as devices as holding one form of energy and converting it to another, there are lots of batteries in life.
I would like to see the same. I was thinking about doing one. With plastic film to wick water back upwards like a blood test strip does. A wide panel of them so enough water mat reach the top. It would be perpetual energy and motion.
How about "magnetic" energy stored in magnets? Arranged / setup in such a way to harness it? Very popular "free energy" device 😂..... Im sure there's a way to do it, but no set recipe to follow, and MANY "fake" vids. Not to mention people dissapearing......
@@ronaldd2154 You could perhaps store energy in a magnetic field, like springloading something, but a magnet is like a mountain, it doesn't produce energy by itself. Things have to move up and down it to do any work.
@@stever197037 Wicking fluid upwards against gravity is capillary action. Look it up and see if you can create a perpetual motion machine of one kind or another out of it...
@@williamblair1123 a more efficient version of this As he said this is about experimentation and sharing ideas This is cool It's fun but as said not yet practical possibly will never be Yes I do on my channel Actually
Bravo Mr. Murray. You seem to be the incarnate of late Robert Murray of 1960s who developed Electricity to power a house straight from his briefcase size power plant weighing not more than DVD player. This stuff that you just showed is a million dollar project already. Great 👍 job Sir.
I noticed the same thing years back working with scariac's. I just used the mag stir bar. Plus, I thought I had same material for both electrodes. Stainless probably. My research papers in that stint were melted by a flood = gone. However, I do remember that my hypothesis is that the effect is due to the triboelectric effect/static. Was planning on using pipes to explore further. Consider a 2 legged experiment where one set was using PVC couplings(series) and one set using parallel paths with T-couplings. Conductive pipes with liquid running inside, separated by non-conductive couplings. That notion eludes to yet another hypothesis: There is likely a 'micro-organization' in the fluid which is short circuiting b/c we cannot make wires out of soup. Hence potential will not build b/c there is no separation to create the potential 'difference'
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You’re awesome! Thanks for bringing your curious explorations to the masses. 3:05 so perfectly captures what holds me to this channel; made me smile! Thanks mate, you’re changing my world.
Absolutely brilliant experiment, love it. It could be used as a flow rate sensor maybe or a trickle charger, nav light generator for boats. I live on a cruiser so I'm going to make some of these.
I knew I would find a video of you trying this! :D I have been fiddling with the idea of producing current from the EZ zone of water, I'm glad I get to see a trusted source.
Ok, so... enclose the water container with a hydrophilic material, like dry rice, or a sponge, put a copper coil along the walls of the water container (the Exclusion Zone "EZ"), this is your negative connector, and a copper wire suspended into the center of the container (the Bulk Zone), this is your positive connector, the motion of electrons occurs because of the mysterious social relationship of the water molecule (the least comprehended of the known molecules in chemistry). This should produce amps without you having to add motion, the motion is passively attracted by the hydrophilic material surrounding the water container. Give it a try. :)
And this is why I'm subscribed, because this is brilliant. Looking forward to your replication of his radio running rig, with efficiency in modern electrics being what it is you might be able to run led lights in your home. Love the channel, never miss a video, making the otherwise exclusory jargon relatable to everyone is a gift you have Robert. Hey what happened with your chlorophyll battery stuff that you found more efficient than graphene?
It strikes me that the heating scenario means this is simply a thermocouple? It is well known that two dissimilar metals in electrical contact when heated generate a microcurrent. The flow option is by far more interesting for potential generation applications I think - it's a water wheel with no moving parts! Love your use of the nylon blocks, I use them constantly for my own tinkering. Great video, many thanks.
Aluminium and brass hmm, will try it. Nephilim Penny here is a uA blocking oscillator (twin large pancake coils) and flashing LED output. She's been running since 2011 on water, for the last 2 years on melted snow. Galv steel and copper would see the steel rot after 3 months... but with tiny bits taken from a 10ft x 6ft sheet it'll last forever lol. Used to shake it to gain power, which links with this. Also, it picks up when the sun shines through the kitchen window onto the pills bottle water container, another link. Will try out the Al and brass :)
Everything said and shown was technically correct ... almost. I wish he had reported the results of the final battery; voltage and current. He showed a number but I couldn't tell if it was microamps or millivolts. I admit that battery will last a long time, but not forever.
So because you couldn’t see the number displayed, he wasn’t technically correct? Lol Are you the final arbiter of absolute truth and fact? Cause you sure talk like you are. Maybe you’re much more confident then you should be.
The scale was mA, so he was getting around 1 Amp! Which is impressive. However No Words in the voltage, not in the patent either? IT might be possible to connect these cells in series in the same body of water, if They are far enough apart, like a spiky cable, with electrodes Pairs sticking out every foot? The you just have ten feet of cable to lay in a stream for power in your camp!
If it’s just movement of water I have a great idea. Put this set up in a beaker and into a vaccum chamber. Once u take the air pressure away you don’t need heat to over coke to energy to boil. It can boil with no heat Uber vaccum bc the pressure is less on the water. So theoretically you could generate power without having to add external heat
@@ThinkingandTinkering Sincere respect, your channel has immense educational value. Nobody knows what electricity is, but you Mr. Murray-Smith might be one of few people alive who understand what it can do.
Amazed that such discovery's haven't been used... Kinda makes ya wonder why..!? Sure if they were combined by someone with understanding and inquisitiveness something could be made that is truly amazing Great work and potential
The efficiency is quite miserable. The power you can get with any reasonably sized device is really too weak to compete with other options. As a flow sensor without moving parts I can imagine it could be useful though.
it is mate - but have you seen the first electric motor? when someone looks who knows what they will find - encourage looking if you can - for example you could have said - the efficiency is quite poor and in this arrangement would only really be useful as maybe a sensor - can you see the difference between the two ways of saying the same thing?
@@ThinkingandTinkering totally get your point We've simply touched on a new "to us" form of energy... With a little tinkering Maybe pass the current through water "as with water welder" to pip it up a little!! I need a man shed to start playing around with ideas
That is amazing. Just a thought. It could be attached to the rear of a boat, probably a motorboat, with the aluminum facing toward the front of the boat. if it was large enough you could run electric equipment on board your boat. Great video, and great invention. 👍👍👍🎸🎸🎸👌
@@ThinkingandTinkering Just built a pretty sophisticated plate version. It produces 5Ma, water velocity hasn't amounted to a relevant variable. Short circuit voltage is 0.137 volts. I really think I'm missing something here.
I'm sure you thought of this, but you can increase the amount of surface electrons by increasing the surface area. In this case, using a spring (or coiled wire) with a coil diameter that is equal to the tube diameter, and a gauge diameter that is the same as the tube thickness (OD-ID)/2, would increase the surface area. I ran a quick algebraic comparison of surface areas in MATLAB and it's not very much (~5% increase), but you could probably vary the gauge diameter and coil diameter to get better results.
I did mate - but that doesn't matter - the posts here are read by folks and the info you posted is shared with the community and that is awesome - thanks for that
Try very thin strips/sheets rolled up together in a spiral roll with a neutral separator like paper towel or something. You'll get enormously higher output current!
I really enjoy your videos, as covid has left me without employment I'm finding loads of different things to occupy my time with, and as a top licence holder for Ham Radio I do have a good little workshop and plenty of electrical supplies so my poor bank account doesn't get hurt too much! Keep up the good work sir, I look forward to the next video! Note, just wondering if one of these 'batteries' could be made on a larger scale and dropped into a river behind a moored float? that would be interesting.
@@ThinkingandTinkering Genuinely thank you. I'm a 55 year old guy living as part of a typical nuclear family, and your videos have been my salvation during lockdown, you need your own tv show 👍
Wondering if the water was in a sealed chamber at (or close to) vacuum, might it require less heating up (since boiling point reduces along with lower pressure)? Also, when you mentioned the importance of flow directionality in the river it made me think of the ion wind effect.
I have noticed, while at the workshop you mentioned Brass is upstream and Aluminium is downstream. However, you switched it up when experimenting by the river. I don't think that matters much as the results is pretty small. Thank you for making videos on electricity, I have been fascinated with it since I was a kid.
Very interesting! How many amps and volts did they larger 8 block version make? It would be interesting to have a half or full sheet of polystyrene insulation as a flotation device in the river tethered to the edge with hundreds of rows of these the full width of the sheet to see how much power could be produced and does an increased flow generate more power.
@@ThinkingandTinkering so roughly 1.96x10 -⁰⁰⁷ volts seems rediculously small unless I'm just not doing the math right. Me and electricity math don't seem to get on well.
Appreciate your home work and scientific research and evidence that it works... also your tutorial/ education. Definitely learn, Mr. Clark/clock on his findings. Happy belated 4th of July
You could heat it from solar too and free energy here we come. Just one problem,don't make it public unless you might get a surprise visit from the people who don't want that technology becoming well known to the public. Mr teslonian has a good channel showing all kinds of different ways to generate electricity too.
Makes me wonder if something like that could be applied to moving air to produce a charge like electrostatic air filters that use a pollimer screen to ionize the passing air as it's fluid medium 👍 Strips of brass screen and aluminum screen at a slight angle on your device may improve ion charge transfer.
Put them in a solar furnace to enhance the effect and heat your home at the same time for bonus points maybe? Heat often amps up static buildup due to friction of the air molecules. Ideally, your screens would pick up and redirect all the ionization out the electrical cables before entering the home though. 😂🤣
Great vid again😁 just wondering if it works in a saline / salt water environment. We live on an Island with a tidal movement of 30-40 metres and tidal speeds in estuaries can reach 10 knots plus. We can use this lower easily 😁✌️❤️🤘
Nice video promising a useful tech. I'm rather unsophisticated so asking simply for voltage and amperage per cell. If economical it would seem every stream or river becomes a viable small source producer and if you made a float to put it in the ocean so wave action could stimulate it...OMG unlimited! And the other materials and liquids this needs to be fully digested to bring low tech to the whole world! Thank you once again.
Straight from the patent (emphasis mine): ". Both electrodes 8 and 10 are of the same size and shape, and are immersed to a depth of about inch in the water. Where electrode 8 was copper and electrode 10 carbon, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 17 microamperes. Where both electrodes were brass, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 25 microamperes. Where and electrode 10 brass, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 43 microamperes."
Damn, i came for music this time amd you are so interesting i watched this first. Thanks, you are doing a wonderful work and it motivates me to continue learning and doing similar things as you do. Wish i had the opportunity to know you or even find you earlier on yt in my life but it's never late and i am gratefull for all the knowledge zou provide and that you show the world that sharing free is normal and humane.
You never showed the voltage? And if water flow is so important, what happens to the cell when you take it to the stream and change the orientation? I would appreciate a graph of angle vs. voltage and/or current to support the notion that flow direction is relevant. Also, with a current of 20 micro amps it would take many weeks if not years of operation to see any change to the electrodes. A calculation suggests that in some six YEARS of operation you would change the electrode mass by ... one gram.
Magnesium Joint Sachet The magnesium filings were saved. I placed them in a piece of paper towel. I laid a bare stranded copper wire in the filings. Then rolled the group like a joint. I then bent the metal joint in half and sealed it shut with a second piece of copper. I completed the magnesium sachet by twisting both wires together. I then tested the magnesium sachet with carbon in a tap water bath. The amps came in at 1.3 milliamperes. Again, the shaving have points and powered metal has alot of surface area by mass. This was a very small amount. This is the technique of modern battery manufacturing. It works well.
super cool..and I was just wondering about the chemical/physical reaction, very strange I had the feeling water is generating static electricity ! also what was your reading in the river it was hard to see? can't wait for follow ups!
It would be best to keep the metals as similar as possible, because every time you change the metal (aluminum to copper and brass to copper) you create a dielectric junction. Not much, but when you are after as much power from passive devices such as this you need AS LITTLE voltage drop as possible. Buss the bars with the same metals would be best. Awesome video Rob. Love your channel mate!
You are a busy man, things just keep on coming out of that active mind ! I was wondering ..would a more electrolitic medium , like salt water in tide flows produce more result ?... just a thought, great stuff, thumbs up!
If the movement of the water is the operative element; "ditch the ditch", with Heron's Fountain: ua-cam.com/video/WYnlbFd45V8/v-deo.html As with combining your Carbon-based Evaporative Charge Separation with Kelvin's Thunderstorm, there is a way to improve on the one side of the process, by adding the other side. Numerous configurations of Heron's Fountain (and Boyle's) are documented on UA-cam, with improvements that portend keeping them in an Open Cycle state; i.e. 'perpetual'. It certainly seems a natural fit, if what is really going on is charge exchange with the passing ions in solution. This could be tested with Deionized Water, as opposed to Tap Water (and further enhanced with electrolytes).
In response to David: You won't ever get anything "perpetual". Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Kelvin's water dropper uses gravity to separate charges in water. Heron's fountain uses gravity to build pressure to push water up. The closest you'll get is by converting matter into energy, but the government's of the world prefer that common citizens refrain from nuclear endeavors. Robert's use of "perpetual" is correct. The device will exist perpetually minus the natural decay of the materials but that will take a long time.
@@btryba Energy can be extracted from the ambient environment - including, in particular, the Quantum Vacuum - "perpetually", if one creates an Open System. Mating Kelvin's Water Dropper with the Evaporative Charge Separator which Rob previously demonstrated would represent a system in 'perpetual motion', with gravity and ambient heat (including solar) furnishing unlimited free energy inputs to the system.
This is really an interesting fenomenon, even the "basic" non heated one (eccept for the ambient heat) generates a current, it's fascinating, I love your videos
Rob Sir, I would seriously love to try the same setup using copper and aluminium, both are good conductors they surely should produce some great results awesome video Rob Sir, Love and very warm regards from India 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I really like to see these videos demonstrating reproducible results in existing research. I teach my kids about the philosophy of science, and these results are spot on.
I've seen similar saltwater battery devices and often considered building a small boat with aluminum hull and brass anodes in alternating stripes all across the bottom which connect with poles inside the hull and see how much power it makes just sitting at anchor in saltwater with moving tides. Then how much it pulls while motoring through the water in different conditions.
I lack the funds but I already have an aluminum hull dinghy with fiberglass overlay anchored in saltwater. A few thousand dollars would be enough to grind in some aluminum stripes and inlay some alternating brass stripes with epoxy. ...
I envision a small saltwater vessel with alternating brass and aluminum striped hull and positive and negative posts at the stern connected to voltmeter and ammeter. The whole vessel being pushed by a regular jet drive but a dual stage Tesla turbine to power it.
Rob Sir God bless you, after seeing this, I will not be astonished if you pull power outta thin air, I am planning to do this experiment with different metals N See how they perform, can these be wired in series as well? Lovely Video keep the good work going Rob Sir you are a guiding light, may Almighty bless you!!🌹💐🌹💐🌹💐👌👌👌👌👍👍👍
@@ThinkingandTinkering I seek your pardon Sir I have not checked, you telling me this should point at some ideas that appeared to me, which might be absolutely wrong Lolz 😂🤣😂💐💐🌹🌹 I shall surely see papers and revert Rob Sir. I am a newbie n new born baby in front of you, I need your help to set up my business in the world of electronics, I have worked as a radio sound and broadcast engineer where I have done radio productions sound quality settings, broadcasting and over all transmitter maintainence as well, all without any degree in engineering, I know it sounds hilarious but is the truth, my love for technology pulled me towards it, and I never came out of it, Rob Sir I surely have genes of my dad, he is a chemical engineer from Indian Institute of technology Kharagpur in India, Please help me get up since the covid Pandemic the media and film post production work I did has come to a halt almost, I shall help you anytime with anything in audio visuals, also Music animation and 3D modelling totality of audio visual production and post production, I am currently setting up my work in areas of lithium battery bank building, solar power electrification, developing agricultural tools that can be powered up using Moters and batteries, Apart from lithium batteries there are tons of things you showed which I am working on to develop a power dense battery which can be cheap to buy, this is my step to make farmers lives a bit better and free from very hard toiling in farms, your blessings sir
When i saw you moving the thing in the jar, thought about putting it in a river, then you did it. There is a lot of potental in this device i think. especially if you use wind power to make it move in water. After all you want more power out than you put in. I wonder how he came up with this in the first place. Nice video.👍
👍. Field pressure mediation....the same across the board.....wind ,water.soil....sun..etc...magnetism/dielectric field...energy, frequency and vibrations....resonance...vibrations..friction...heat....illumination...💡....charge and discharge.....high pressure go to low...remarkable how the earth generates its own energy from its core outwards..brilliant
There's been a recent mention of how green/blue lasers are able to instantly evaporate water where it contacts and made me wonder if that means it can output more energy than what gets put in being lightwaves bouncing within an internally mirrored container, then capturing the evaporation like steam engines, but... is a closed system instead.
I wonder if one placed this battery in a vacuum(or half of it) that it would produce a small current? My belief is this is a form or configuration of a thermal electrical generator, thus 1/2 in a partial vacuum and other half in normal atmosphere should produce a charge, the 2 rodes/pipes may need to touch, not sure... yes, no , maybe?
I can remember a few years back a Chinese researcher discovered that if you pass water through a very small hole it will produce electricity. Every time I have pee I kick myself for no thinking of it.
Russian guy made battery on that principle. A year ago he got 220V 76A from his testing device. Two different metals and circulating liquid are required.
If you dip this device in seawater, I guess the salt, plus wave motion would produce even more power, but, of course, the question would be possible corrosion or deposits building up on the electrode surface. Perhaps it is worth trying a saltwater solution at home first and see how long power will be produced before the electrodes are either dissolved, or insulated by deposits.
hmm a neat way to collect solar energy could be sterling engines connected to a focused parabola, water jecket cooled and set to move the rim of a turbine at multiple contact points. the turbine is placed in a vertical tube shape which is saturated horizontally and vertically with these devices in series or parallel. they could differ in size too. so they can be used in hot dry environments as well
john edwards: I was referring to this principle being used for flow metering. The patent (which I have read) is for generation and whilst I can see how it can be applied to velocity flow metering, I was curious if foobarbles had any information on the device they had seen. I’m going to look myself but I thought you tube was a community with a community spirit.
One moment before you switched to the water scene I was about to preemptively post a comment asking about putting the device in moving water! I live on an offgrid property with an active, flowing creek.
Robert, we had a similar device for detecting water flow in certain vehicle that I may or may not have worked on. Our was also a level sensor and had some internal electronics.
@@ThinkingandTinkering it was a hybrid bus. We needed a level sensor that didn't depend on floats and switches. A guy came up to us with a prototype, we liked it and started using it in all our production buses. Suddenly the guy passed away and there was no one to make them anymore. He had not patented this. It worked on a single probe and I think it was brass. The second probe ofcourse was actually the engine which was aluminum.
When it comes to this stuff, the idea is think big. If you get anything at all, it's fantastic, then you just scale it. Even if it's just an efficient way to convert heat to electricity, perfect.
I wonder if they make brass and aluminum wool like they do with steel. Or scouring pads. Maybe even a mesh bag full of machine chips. More surface area would surely mean more current, right? As long as you don't totally block the flow of water.
I made something like that just messing around I put copper wire around a nail in hot boiling water and watched the kv volts go up lol I just messed around with it yesterday fun stuff not much money to do it.
You could set up a tank of these and have a water reservoir below that is heated by the sun. Complete the thermosiphon out the top of the tank and into a shaded/cooled area back down into the reservoir. Through the day, the water would warm. Then by insulating the reservoir, couldn't this generate some electricity at night too?
Will it work in salt water? If so, you could use the tides to maintain constant current flow and your only limitation would be how much coastline you are willing to devote to it.
Hmmm, what if you combine this with wind power? for example, put a row of the metals on a piece of rectangular wood or plastic, put a rod in the middle and have it spin the row of these metals in a barrel or a bucket of water. The thing would look like a manual honey extractor except instead of frame holder you would have a row of aluminum and brass(or whatever you used in this experiment, sorry I didn't catch that one). Kind of curious how much it would produce. I know, I know, I should try it myself, and I might one of these days.
It looks like a thermocouple with the water acting as the connection between the dissimilar metals, essentially the Seebeck effect. Copper and iron will do the same thing if this is the case. I would try a rod of selenium and a rod of bismuth for maximum voltage. Also nichrome constantan.
This also works if you follow water through the tubes, from one into another, but with a non-conductive section connecting the tubes end to end. This, put in parallel (picture war following through and around a bundle of straws) , with all tubes connected in series using appropriate wire, increases surface area contact and therefore voltage.
that's interesting mate - cheers
After the rubber band battery, I was half expecting Lord Kelvin's Thunderstorm (really cool device). When you view batteries as devices as holding one form of energy and converting it to another, there are lots of batteries in life.
I would like to see the same. I was thinking about doing one. With plastic film to wick water back upwards like a blood test strip does. A wide panel of them so enough water mat reach the top. It would be perpetual energy and motion.
yep - lots of sources of energy if we look
How about "magnetic" energy stored in magnets? Arranged / setup in such a way to harness it? Very popular "free energy" device 😂..... Im sure there's a way to do it, but no set recipe to follow, and MANY "fake" vids. Not to mention people dissapearing......
@@ronaldd2154 You could perhaps store energy in a magnetic field, like springloading something, but a magnet is like a mountain, it doesn't produce energy by itself. Things have to move up and down it to do any work.
@@stever197037 Wicking fluid upwards against gravity is capillary action. Look it up and see if you can create a perpetual motion machine of one kind or another out of it...
Love it Mr Smith. Genius insightful educational practical applied science. You’re the man thank you for producing such consistently awesome content
Well this isnt practical but it sure as hell is awesome
Hopefully a better design will pop up
cheers mate and thanks for taking the time to say so
@@preppertechnicianee6013 What would you consider a practical invention? Do you have anything to share?
@@williamblair1123 a more efficient version of this
As he said this is about experimentation and sharing ideas
This is cool
It's fun but as said not yet practical possibly will never be
Yes I do on my channel
Actually
@@preppertechnicianee6013 Would you send me your link, thanks.
Bravo Mr. Murray. You seem to be the incarnate of late Robert Murray of 1960s who developed Electricity to power a house straight from his briefcase size power plant weighing not more than DVD player. This stuff that you just showed is a million dollar project already. Great 👍 job Sir.
cheers mate
I noticed the same thing years back working with scariac's. I just used the mag stir bar. Plus, I thought I had same material for both electrodes. Stainless probably. My research papers in that stint were melted by a flood = gone. However, I do remember that my hypothesis is that the effect is due to the triboelectric effect/static. Was planning on using pipes to explore further. Consider a 2 legged experiment where one set was using PVC couplings(series) and one set using parallel paths with T-couplings. Conductive pipes with liquid running inside, separated by non-conductive couplings. That notion eludes to yet another hypothesis: There is likely a 'micro-organization' in the fluid which is short circuiting b/c we cannot make wires out of soup. Hence potential will not build b/c there is no separation to create the potential 'difference'
I think you are son the right lines there mate
Sincere condolences for such a huge loss.
If ever you need a little vacation in Tenerife
Pls contact an old follower
And fan of your awesome teachings.
You’re awesome! Thanks for bringing your curious explorations to the masses. 3:05 so perfectly captures what holds me to this channel; made me smile! Thanks mate, you’re changing my world.
Awesome, thank you mate for taking the time to say so
Absolutely brilliant experiment, love it. It could be used as a flow rate sensor maybe or a trickle charger, nav light generator for boats. I live on a cruiser so I'm going to make some of these.
I knew I would find a video of you trying this! :D
I have been fiddling with the idea of producing current from the EZ zone of water, I'm glad I get to see a trusted source.
Ok, so... enclose the water container with a hydrophilic material, like dry rice, or a sponge, put a copper coil along the walls of the water container (the Exclusion Zone "EZ"), this is your negative connector, and a copper wire suspended into the center of the container (the Bulk Zone), this is your positive connector, the motion of electrons occurs because of the mysterious social relationship of the water molecule (the least comprehended of the known molecules in chemistry).
This should produce amps without you having to add motion, the motion is passively attracted by the hydrophilic material surrounding the water container.
Give it a try. :)
@@matsveritas2055 Glad to see someone making the connection to Gerald Pollack's work here. Have you seen any other notable apparatuses since then?
I like watching his videos because knowledge is imparted while surrounded by grimy tools and instruments. It is awesome. :D
lol - I work at it mate not just think about it - cheers
@@ThinkingandTinkering I'm not complaining. :) Keep doing what you do!
@@ThinkingandTinkering
Thanks Robert
And this is why I'm subscribed, because this is brilliant.
Looking forward to your replication of his radio running rig, with efficiency in modern electrics being what it is you might be able to run led lights in your home.
Love the channel, never miss a video, making the otherwise exclusory jargon relatable to everyone is a gift you have Robert. Hey what happened with your chlorophyll battery stuff that you found more efficient than graphene?
cheers mate
love it
It strikes me that the heating scenario means this is simply a thermocouple? It is well known that two dissimilar metals in electrical contact when heated generate a microcurrent. The flow option is by far more interesting for potential generation applications I think - it's a water wheel with no moving parts! Love your use of the nylon blocks, I use them constantly for my own tinkering. Great video, many thanks.
Lovely, thanks for doing the leg work. I am wondering what happens in sea water?
Let the motion of the ocean do the work.
Aluminium and brass hmm, will try it. Nephilim Penny here is a uA blocking oscillator (twin large pancake coils) and flashing LED output. She's been running since 2011 on water, for the last 2 years on melted snow. Galv steel and copper would see the steel rot after 3 months... but with tiny bits taken from a 10ft x 6ft sheet it'll last forever lol. Used to shake it to gain power, which links with this. Also, it picks up when the sun shines through the kitchen window onto the pills bottle water container, another link. Will try out the Al and brass :)
that is awesome work mate - thanks for sharing
Everything said and shown was technically correct ... almost.
I wish he had reported the results of the final battery; voltage and current. He showed a number but I couldn't tell if it was microamps or millivolts.
I admit that battery will last a long time, but not forever.
So because you couldn’t see the number displayed, he wasn’t technically correct? Lol
Are you the final arbiter of absolute truth and fact? Cause you sure talk like you are.
Maybe you’re much more confident then you should be.
The scale was mA, so he was getting around 1 Amp! Which is impressive. However No Words in the voltage, not in the patent either? IT might be possible to connect these cells in series in the same body of water, if They are far enough apart, like a spiky cable, with electrodes Pairs sticking out every foot? The you just have ten feet of cable to lay in a stream for power in your camp!
@@Tore_Lund No. The scale was *micro* amps so he was getting only around 1mA current.
If it’s just movement of water I have a great idea. Put this set up in a beaker and into a vaccum chamber. Once u take the air pressure away you don’t need heat to over coke to energy to boil. It can boil with no heat Uber vaccum bc the pressure is less on the water. So theoretically you could generate power without having to add external heat
My favorite alchemist channel :)
lol - awesome mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering Sincere respect, your channel has immense educational value. Nobody knows what electricity is, but you Mr. Murray-Smith might be one of few people alive who understand what it can do.
Amazed that such discovery's haven't been used...
Kinda makes ya wonder why..!?
Sure if they were combined by someone with understanding and inquisitiveness something could be made that is truly amazing
Great work and potential
The efficiency is quite miserable. The power you can get with any reasonably sized device is really too weak to compete with other options.
As a flow sensor without moving parts I can imagine it could be useful though.
it is interesting for sure mate
it is mate - but have you seen the first electric motor? when someone looks who knows what they will find - encourage looking if you can - for example you could have said - the efficiency is quite poor and in this arrangement would only really be useful as maybe a sensor - can you see the difference between the two ways of saying the same thing?
@@ThinkingandTinkering totally get your point
We've simply touched on a new "to us" form of energy... With a little tinkering
Maybe pass the current through water "as with water welder" to pip it up a little!!
I need a man shed to start playing around with ideas
@@linosclassics I think partly its because we're set in our ways as to how we view energy
/power
Maybe we're simply doing it wrong.
My mind goes crazy with possibilities after watching Robert's vids then I remember I'm not super brainy like Robert
That is amazing. Just a thought. It could be attached to the rear of a boat, probably a motorboat, with the aluminum facing toward the front of the boat. if it was large enough you could run electric equipment on board your boat. Great video, and great invention. 👍👍👍🎸🎸🎸👌
On a house boat fine, but for a sailing/motor boat the drag would be a problem I think!
Cool, I would love to see the plate version,
Would be interesting to see what you could produce with a large surface area
Try open-cell aluminium foam and copper foam with the copper foam having been soaked in molten zinc to infuse the surface and convert it to brass.
give it a go mate
Yes give it a gaggle. Battery
Love your down to nature analog s
And love your laugh out load. Get er it. Done
As you do
@@ThinkingandTinkering Just built a pretty sophisticated plate version. It produces 5Ma, water velocity hasn't amounted to a relevant variable. Short circuit voltage is 0.137 volts. I really think I'm missing something here.
your channel never ceases to amaze! thanks so much for doing what you're doing
Glad you enjoy it!
I'm sure you thought of this, but you can increase the amount of surface electrons by increasing the surface area. In this case, using a spring (or coiled wire) with a coil diameter that is equal to the tube diameter, and a gauge diameter that is the same as the tube thickness (OD-ID)/2, would increase the surface area. I ran a quick algebraic comparison of surface areas in MATLAB and it's not very much (~5% increase), but you could probably vary the gauge diameter and coil diameter to get better results.
I did mate - but that doesn't matter - the posts here are read by folks and the info you posted is shared with the community and that is awesome - thanks for that
@@ThinkingandTinkering you did think of it or you did try it?
Try very thin strips/sheets rolled up together in a spiral roll with a neutral separator like paper towel or something.
You'll get enormously higher output current!
Wonder why this is not used in many applications. Almost every household has water pipes and hot water tank. Great video TnT
I really enjoy your videos, as covid has left me without employment I'm finding loads of different things to occupy my time with, and as a top licence holder for Ham Radio I do have a good little workshop and plenty of electrical supplies so my poor bank account doesn't get hurt too much! Keep up the good work sir, I look forward to the next video!
Note, just wondering if one of these 'batteries' could be made on a larger scale and dropped into a river behind a moored float? that would be interesting.
it would be mate have a read at the patent - that should help answer your question and maybe give a bit of direction
That was amazing, really glad I've found you, my love of all things scientific is impressed by you every time, thank you so much
Wow, thank you!
@@ThinkingandTinkering Genuinely thank you. I'm a 55 year old guy living as part of a typical nuclear family, and your videos have been my salvation during lockdown, you need your own tv show 👍
Thank you Robert
Wondering if the water was in a sealed chamber at (or close to) vacuum, might it require less heating up (since boiling point reduces along with lower pressure)? Also, when you mentioned the importance of flow directionality in the river it made me think of the ion wind effect.
nice thought mate
I have noticed, while at the workshop you mentioned Brass is upstream and Aluminium is downstream. However, you switched it up when experimenting by the river. I don't think that matters much as the results is pretty small. Thank you for making videos on electricity, I have been fascinated with it since I was a kid.
Very interesting! How many amps and volts did they larger 8 block version make? It would be interesting to have a half or full sheet of polystyrene insulation as a flotation device in the river tethered to the edge with hundreds of rows of these the full width of the sheet to see how much power could be produced and does an increased flow generate more power.
I milliamp, 5.1 kOhm - V=IR will give volts mate
That's what I was thinking...
@@ThinkingandTinkering so roughly 1.96x10 -⁰⁰⁷ volts seems rediculously small unless I'm just not doing the math right.
Me and electricity math don't seem to get on well.
I'm often called back to the potential of a brackish river as source of power, here I am again.
Appreciate your home work and scientific research and evidence that it works... also your tutorial/ education. Definitely learn, Mr. Clark/clock on his findings. Happy belated 4th of July
and to you - cheers
What would happen if you connected those "cells" in series instead of parallel?
that was series.
@@TheBaconWizard look again
@@klincecum Beg pardon, quite correct..
You could heat it from solar too and free energy here we come. Just one problem,don't make it public unless you might get a surprise visit from the people who don't want that technology becoming well known to the public. Mr teslonian has a good channel showing all kinds of different ways to generate electricity too.
Makes me wonder if something like that could be applied to moving air to produce a charge like electrostatic air filters that use a pollimer screen to ionize the passing air as it's fluid medium 👍 Strips of brass screen and aluminum screen at a slight angle on your device may improve ion charge transfer.
Put them in a solar furnace to enhance the effect and heat your home at the same time for bonus points maybe? Heat often amps up static buildup due to friction of the air molecules. Ideally, your screens would pick up and redirect all the ionization out the electrical cables before entering the home though. 😂🤣
Really fascinating application for harvesting energy Rob, thank you for this. So that's earth, wind and water power generation covered 😉
still got the sea mate lol
@@ThinkingandTinkering I thought you'd covered that with the magnesium salt battery? 😉
@@leoeuden7559 well sort of I suppose lol
Fire was the stirling motor.
Great vid again😁 just wondering if it works in a saline / salt water environment. We live on an Island with a tidal movement of 30-40 metres and tidal speeds in estuaries can reach 10 knots plus. We can use this lower easily 😁✌️❤️🤘
Nice video promising a useful tech. I'm rather unsophisticated so asking simply for voltage and amperage per cell. If economical it would seem every stream or river becomes a viable small source producer and if you made a float to put it in the ocean so wave action could stimulate it...OMG unlimited! And the other materials and liquids this needs to be fully digested to bring low tech to the whole world! Thank you once again.
glad you liked it mate - thanks for taking the time to post
Earlier Coment was Aluminium was down stream
have a read at the patent mate - that should help
As far as I can tell it shouldn't make any difference.
Straight from the patent (emphasis mine):
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Both electrodes 8 and 10 are of the same size and shape, and are immersed to a depth of about inch in the water.
Where electrode 8 was copper and electrode 10 carbon, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 17 microamperes.
Where both electrodes were brass, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 25 microamperes.
Where and electrode 10 brass, the measured current in load circuit 4 was 43 microamperes."
Damn, i came for music this time amd you are so interesting i watched this first. Thanks, you are doing a wonderful work and it motivates me to continue learning and doing similar things as you do. Wish i had the opportunity to know you or even find you earlier on yt in my life but it's never late and i am gratefull for all the knowledge zou provide and that you show the world that sharing free is normal and humane.
You never showed the voltage? And if water flow is so important, what happens to the cell when you take it to the stream and change the orientation? I would appreciate a graph of angle vs. voltage and/or current to support the notion that flow direction is relevant.
Also, with a current of 20 micro amps it would take many weeks if not years of operation to see any change to the electrodes.
A calculation suggests that in some six YEARS of operation you would change the electrode mass by ... one gram.
Magnesium Joint Sachet
The magnesium filings were saved. I placed them in a piece of paper towel. I laid a bare stranded copper wire in the filings. Then rolled the group like a joint. I then bent the metal joint in half and sealed it shut with a second piece of copper. I completed the magnesium sachet by twisting both wires together. I then tested the magnesium sachet with carbon in a tap water bath. The amps came in at 1.3 milliamperes. Again, the shaving have points and powered metal has alot of surface area by mass. This was a very small amount. This is the technique of modern battery manufacturing. It works well.
super cool..and I was just wondering about the chemical/physical reaction, very strange I had the feeling water is generating static electricity ! also what was your reading in the river it was hard to see? can't wait for follow ups!
It would be best to keep the metals as similar as possible, because every time you change the metal (aluminum to copper and brass to copper) you create a dielectric junction. Not much, but when you are after as much power from passive devices such as this you need AS LITTLE voltage drop as possible. Buss the bars with the same metals would be best. Awesome video Rob. Love your channel mate!
You are a busy man, things just keep on coming out of that active mind ! I was wondering ..would a more electrolitic medium , like salt water in tide flows produce more result ?... just a thought, great stuff, thumbs up!
have a read at the patent mate - that should help answer your question
The patent mentions lord Kelvin using that.
Brilliant! Glad I was recommended this channel
glad you liked it mate - cheers
If the movement of the water is the operative element; "ditch the ditch", with Heron's Fountain: ua-cam.com/video/WYnlbFd45V8/v-deo.html As with combining your Carbon-based Evaporative Charge Separation with Kelvin's Thunderstorm, there is a way to improve on the one side of the process, by adding the other side. Numerous configurations of Heron's Fountain (and Boyle's) are documented on UA-cam, with improvements that portend keeping them in an Open Cycle state; i.e. 'perpetual'. It certainly seems a natural fit, if what is really going on is charge exchange with the passing ions in solution. This could be tested with Deionized Water, as opposed to Tap Water (and further enhanced with electrolytes).
nice ideas mate - thanks for sharing
In response to David: You won't ever get anything "perpetual". Energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Kelvin's water dropper uses gravity to separate charges in water. Heron's fountain uses gravity to build pressure to push water up. The closest you'll get is by converting matter into energy, but the government's of the world prefer that common citizens refrain from nuclear endeavors. Robert's use of "perpetual" is correct. The device will exist perpetually minus the natural decay of the materials but that will take a long time.
@@btryba Energy can be extracted from the ambient environment - including, in particular, the Quantum Vacuum - "perpetually", if one creates an Open System. Mating Kelvin's Water Dropper with the Evaporative Charge Separator which Rob previously demonstrated would represent a system in 'perpetual motion', with gravity and ambient heat (including solar) furnishing unlimited free energy inputs to the system.
i like how you build and test ideas most others just postulate
Great, as usual. Thanks again Robert.
cheers mate
This is really an interesting fenomenon, even the "basic" non heated one (eccept for the ambient heat) generates a current, it's fascinating, I love your videos
cheers mate
Well, time to treat the materials to increase the surface area - and boom
for sure mate - and - have a read at the patent - that should help and give a bit of direction
This would be very usefull on a sailboat in salt water as the galvanic action will also contribute to the generation
Hello sir! You are the a huge instant inspiration.
ok. you have convinced me, Mr. Robert. You have the best UA-cam channel of this platform xDDD
To cool, how do you do it every day?
Thanks for the video
I sleep only 3-4 hours lol
@@ThinkingandTinkering and you're not tired 😮? I thought we needed 7-8hrs to properly "recharge our batteries" lol
I believe Viktor Schauberger also came to the same conclusion that rivers were electrical generators.
Rob Sir, I would seriously love to try the same setup using copper and aluminium, both are good conductors they surely should produce some great results awesome video Rob Sir, Love and very warm regards from India 🙏🏻🙏🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I really like to see these videos demonstrating reproducible results in existing research. I teach my kids about the philosophy of science, and these results are spot on.
awesome mate
Love this viid - keep listening over & over, esp after downloading the 14153757 pdf :-)
Er, 4153…
Would pencil lead work as the anode?
(Alex, experiment & let us know ;-)
Innovative educative practical applied science, you are great
I've seen similar saltwater battery devices and often considered building a small boat with aluminum hull and brass anodes in alternating stripes all across the bottom which connect with poles inside the hull and see how much power it makes just sitting at anchor in saltwater with moving tides. Then how much it pulls while motoring through the water in different conditions.
I lack the funds but I already have an aluminum hull dinghy with fiberglass overlay anchored in saltwater. A few thousand dollars would be enough to grind in some aluminum stripes and inlay some alternating brass stripes with epoxy. ...
I envision a small saltwater vessel with alternating brass and aluminum striped hull and positive and negative posts at the stern connected to voltmeter and ammeter. The whole vessel being pushed by a regular jet drive but a dual stage Tesla turbine to power it.
Robert I hope you are live and kicking bcuz your amazing.
Rob Sir God bless you, after seeing this, I will not be astonished if you pull power outta thin air, I am planning to do this experiment with different metals N See how they perform, can these be wired in series as well? Lovely Video keep the good work going Rob Sir you are a guiding light, may Almighty bless you!!🌹💐🌹💐🌹💐👌👌👌👌👍👍👍
don't forget to check out the patent too mate
@@ThinkingandTinkering I seek your pardon Sir I have not checked, you telling me this should point at some ideas that appeared to me, which might be absolutely wrong Lolz 😂🤣😂💐💐🌹🌹 I shall surely see papers and revert Rob Sir. I am a newbie n new born baby in front of you, I need your help to set up my business in the world of electronics, I have worked as a radio sound and broadcast engineer where I have done radio productions sound quality settings, broadcasting and over all transmitter maintainence as well, all without any degree in engineering, I know it sounds hilarious but is the truth, my love for technology pulled me towards it, and I never came out of it, Rob Sir I surely have genes of my dad, he is a chemical engineer from Indian Institute of technology Kharagpur in India, Please help me get up since the covid Pandemic the media and film post production work I did has come to a halt almost, I shall help you anytime with anything in audio visuals, also Music animation and 3D modelling totality of audio visual production and post production, I am currently setting up my work in areas of lithium battery bank building, solar power electrification, developing agricultural tools that can be powered up using Moters and batteries, Apart from lithium batteries there are tons of things you showed which I am working on to develop a power dense battery which can be cheap to buy, this is my step to make farmers lives a bit better and free from very hard toiling in farms, your blessings sir
When i saw you moving the thing in the jar, thought about putting it in a river, then you did it. There is a lot of potental in this device i think. especially if you use wind power to make it move in water. After all you want more power out than you put in. I wonder how he came up with this in the first place. Nice video.👍
to be honest mate I think the greatest potential is in getting folks to experiment
Stunning i just love it.
👍. Field pressure mediation....the same across the board.....wind ,water.soil....sun..etc...magnetism/dielectric field...energy, frequency and vibrations....resonance...vibrations..friction...heat....illumination...💡....charge and discharge.....high pressure go to low...remarkable how the earth generates its own energy from its core outwards..brilliant
Well said
There's been a recent mention of how green/blue lasers are able to instantly evaporate water where it contacts and made me wonder if that means it can output more energy than what gets put in being lightwaves bouncing within an internally mirrored container, then capturing the evaporation like steam engines, but... is a closed system instead.
I wonder what it would do under a waterfall
I wonder if one placed this battery in a vacuum(or half of it) that it would produce a small current?
My belief is this is a form or configuration of a thermal electrical generator, thus 1/2 in a partial vacuum and other half in normal atmosphere should produce a charge, the 2 rodes/pipes may need to touch, not sure... yes, no , maybe?
Rob could you please make a video on how you match coils to magnet strength
I can remember a few years back a Chinese researcher discovered that if you pass water through a very small hole it will produce electricity. Every time I have pee I kick myself for no thinking of it.
That's not the electrical discharge you want.
Russian guy made battery on that principle. A year ago he got 220V 76A from his testing device. Two different metals and circulating liquid are required.
good fír milm
Good as a sensor!
have a read at the patent mate - that should be interesting to you
Great video as usual, thank you so much for what you do.
More energy goes into that system than comes out. So very perpetual... Cool little gadget though.
Seebeck effect. Peltier modules. One side warm one side cold.
If you dip this device in seawater, I guess the salt, plus wave motion would produce even more power, but, of course, the question would be possible corrosion or deposits building up on the electrode surface. Perhaps it is worth trying a saltwater solution at home first and see how long power will be produced before the electrodes are either dissolved, or insulated by deposits.
hmm a neat way to collect solar energy could be sterling engines connected to a focused parabola, water jecket cooled and set to move the rim of a turbine at multiple contact points. the turbine is placed in a vertical tube shape which is saturated horizontally and vertically with these devices in series or parallel. they could differ in size too. so they can be used in hot dry environments as well
This principle has been used for flow metering by a Dutch company. I've seen such a device in 1998.
for sure
Do you know of any parents for this application? Or prior art?
john edwards:
I was referring to this principle being used for flow metering.
The patent (which I have read) is for generation and whilst I can see how it can be applied to velocity flow metering, I was curious if foobarbles had any information on the device they had seen.
I’m going to look myself but I thought you tube was a community with a community spirit.
Wouldn't the conductivity / purity of the water affect that? I wonder if they test for conductance as well.
One moment before you switched to the water scene I was about to preemptively post a comment asking about putting the device in moving water!
I live on an offgrid property with an active, flowing creek.
Robert, we had a similar device for detecting water flow in certain vehicle that I may or may not have worked on. Our was also a level sensor and had some internal electronics.
interesting mate - what was the vehicle ?
@@ThinkingandTinkering it was a hybrid bus. We needed a level sensor that didn't depend on floats and switches. A guy came up to us with a prototype, we liked it and started using it in all our production buses. Suddenly the guy passed away and there was no one to make them anymore. He had not patented this. It worked on a single probe and I think it was brass. The second probe ofcourse was actually the engine which was aluminum.
When it comes to this stuff, the idea is think big. If you get anything at all, it's fantastic, then you just scale it. Even if it's just an efficient way to convert heat to electricity, perfect.
I wonder if they make brass and aluminum wool like they do with steel. Or scouring pads. Maybe even a mesh bag full of machine chips. More surface area would surely mean more current, right? As long as you don't totally block the flow of water.
If no river, one could use wind to move the rod. Could be a nice experiment
Thank's again for the Education, Robert.
I am glad you found it interesting mate
This is nuts, the implications of this are mindblowing.
for sure
Thank you Robert!
Free energy is just around the corner.
for sure
Thanks again. I'm sure you are Dr. Magnus Pykes long, lost son, without the bent back and flailing arms.
Could be lol
I made something like that just messing around I put copper wire around a nail in hot boiling water and watched the kv volts go up lol I just messed around with it yesterday fun stuff not much money to do it.
You could set up a tank of these and have a water reservoir below that is heated by the sun. Complete the thermosiphon out the top of the tank and into a shaded/cooled area back down into the reservoir. Through the day, the water would warm. Then by insulating the reservoir, couldn't this generate some electricity at night too?
Cool idea
Vibrate the water harmonically! :)
Will it work in salt water? If so, you could use the tides to maintain constant current flow and your only limitation would be how much coastline you are willing to devote to it.
in this form it would probably just rot mate - but have a read at the patent - it should help answer your question
Wiggle wiggle wiggle
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Hmmm, what if you combine this with wind power? for example, put a row of the metals on a piece of rectangular wood or plastic, put a rod in the middle and have it spin the row of these metals in a barrel or a bucket of water. The thing would look like a manual honey extractor except instead of frame holder you would have a row of aluminum and brass(or whatever you used in this experiment, sorry I didn't catch that one). Kind of curious how much it would produce. I know, I know, I should try it myself, and I might one of these days.
lol - I am afraid that is exactly what I think mate - this is one for you to try - I like the ideas though
Schauberger had once told us that he and his technicians had measured voltages of up to 5000 volts during a flushed cylinder.
interesting
Use the sun to heat the water ,using a parabolic heater from a old satellite dish covered in mirror plastic...I'm sure it would be a good video
Great idea mate - give it a go
on a large scale this might work well in the ocean
I was thinking if you put it in a container of water then freeze it then put a meter on and see I will do the same
Great video
or you could mate and maybe do a video on it?
It looks like a thermocouple with the water acting as the connection between the dissimilar metals, essentially the Seebeck effect. Copper and iron will do the same thing if this is the case.
I would try a rod of selenium and a rod of bismuth for maximum voltage. Also nichrome constantan.
watch the other two videos then comment