When I was 11 years old I fell down a 2-story snow mound and landed on the front part of my head which forced it forward hard onto my chest. I heard a loud cracking noise in my neck, and was lying there on the ground unable to move or breathe. I did not see anything other than blackness. Then in what seemed like an eternity later my body gasped for air, and my arms and legs tingled. A short time later people helped me to sit upright, after which I went home with the worst headache and neck ache anyone can imagine. I had suffered -and lived through- a Hangman's Fracture on C5-6. It's caused me a lot of trouble and pain in my life - numerous procedures to correct it, medications to help with the brutal Osteoarthritis that developed all along my Cervical Spine,physical therapy, etc. My jaw wound up even being dislocated from that fall, and that too, was permanently damaged as a result. Anyway, I would say that Ryan probably did not feel a thing, though he may have heard his neck breaking like what had happened in my case.
I'm old enough that I remember this. I was 9 and we lived in a small country town in QLD. I didn't understand it all at the time but I do remember the outcry about it and how everyone was against it happening.
Ankles, Queensland would have had the most anti feelings towards it all, as that state (my own also coincidentally) had long since abolished the death penalty in 1922. The last hanging there in 1913 also attracted something of an outcry, despite the perpetrator raping a 12 year old girl and then murdering her so she wouldn't tell anyone. This occurred only a few months after him being let out of parole after something like 3 years of a 5 year sentence, also I believe for sexual assault, so he should still have been in prison in any case.
@@YortOK I was 13 going on 14 during the Barlow and Chambers saga and I was also horrified about it all and very anti ... but more than 30 years later I feel completely different about it and have only sympathy for their families, but not for them. Being far more worldly wise now, for one thing, they were not innocent Australian tourists being worked over by a wicket and backward Asian country, but in fact guilty as sin and deep in the drug trafficking scene up to their necks, if you'll pardon the pun.
Clearly in the Ryan case, some of the jurors were obviously 'bias' which had a ‘significant’ impact on their verdict (months later seven jurors changed their mind on the verdict). The jurors should have been tested before the trial to reduce the effect of 'prejudices' on their understanding of the burden of proof - in Ryan's case there was a total lack of scientific ballistic forensic evidence, only dire inconsistencies of all fourteen eyewitness' for the prosecution. Also, mega daily front-page news stories had already convicted Ryan of murder long before the trial began. A study, published in the British Psychological Society’s Legal and Criminological Psychology journal, found that pre-trial bias, prejudices' and jurors' understanding of the concept of 'beyond reasonable doubt' have a significant impact on the verdict the jurors are likely to deliver in court.
Clearly, in the Ryan case, without any studies, we can see what the state can achieve with a rehearsed prosecution to cover up that rison officers shoot their own
It's funny at the 2.15 point, the man on the far right played Bill Ponsford in the abc bodyline mini series drama and the man on the far left played Harold Larwood.
If you read Albert Pierpoint's book he describes a leather washer being used to hold the noose in place. This would not be needed for the knot shown here.
Unless your gonna build a prison for these animals where they can absolutely never get there hands on another human being! Then you have to put these animals down , I’m not saying this guy did it , the evidence was pretty weak , but the majority are complete animals, I saw a documentary on this one prisoner that got life instead of death because although the bite marks on this mutilated woman were very close , the jury wouldn’t give the death penalty on the guy , so he gets life , 15 years in he’s. Got the warden saying he’d feel safe taking this guy home to his family! All the guards believed he was innocent! Had the run of the prison ! Then one day they hired a pretty woman guard ! That ended up somehow going missing! So they put the puzzle together , and have to literally take apart the city dump ! Well they find her , well pieces of her , and guess what they find all over her torso ? Bite marks ! Turns out the SOB raped and tortured her to death ! Then cut her body up and threw her in the trash ! The same evil prick all these people thought was wrongly accused ! Well the teeth matched plus they had DNA by then ! He only got another life sentence ! Wonder how the jury felt about that !
Hey Gordon Wardell,, you are WRONG! There are some so evil and wicked as to forfeit their right to live. In my city, an eight year old girl was raped, strangled and stuffed into an old refrigerator. The person responsible does not deserve life.
I understand a victims need for revenge. But, the judicial process is not perfect. Prosecutors may have political motives, police may be corrupt, or inept. Public outcry may demand a target at all costs. It has been proven many times that absolutely innocent people are convicted and sentence to death. If the State kills the innocent, the State has committed murder.
If there is an admission of guilt, the admission will be used to fold the proof around. Any judge or jury would be advised to always ignore the admission and pick the proof apart.
God bless the Hangman, 🙏🏻 I’ve seen a documentary on this hangman he was used all over the world for England, if a man asks you to do it quickly, and you leap for the lever your a decent human being!
So you are saying that because a man tells you to pull a lever to kill someone and you do quickly and leap for it then that makes you a decent person. That's ridiculous and it's what all the worst war criminals always say, '' I was just following orders''. The SS definitely pulled a lot of levers in WW2 but because their 'man' said it was okay then that makes them decent. You obviously aren't old enough to remember apartheid in South Africa. The whites were the ones in power and blacks were the second class citizens, and there was plenty of lever pulling going on there, A decent man is the one who stops and thinks.
I have no idea of how Capital Punishment by hanging was carried out in Australia, but I do know the entire process as was done in the UK. I would have thought that Australia would have used something very similar to the UK since it was, and has been a British Colony for 200 years. No docu-drama ever portrays an event with accuracy, especially in the case of a State Execution which precise processes were not normally available for public knowledge or scrutiny; Such things usually come under the Official Secrets Act, and I presume this would also have applied in Australia. As far as the above drama itself is concerned, there is no resemblance whatsoever to any State Execution as was performed in the UK. In the first place, the use of a Western-style rope would never be used, for several reasons. In Britain, the rope end had a metal eye through which the rope was threaded to make a loop, and which allowed the rope to slip freely. Once the noose was placed over the condemned's head, the "eye" was placed under the left jawbone, and held in place by a rubber ring. The drama shows a long length of rope draped over a guard rail - this is extremely unlikely to have ever been the case, because the evening prior to the date of execution, a sandbag matching the victim's weight would have been attached to the noose and dropped the predetermined, calculated drop distance in order to stretch the rope, the purpose of this was to prevent any further stretching that would alter the calculation, and any spring-back. Left overnight, the executioner and his assistant would remove the sandbag and lightly tie the rope to the level of the victim's neck.To do it as shown in the video, would be an absolute disaster as there is too much loose rope; when dropped by such means, the victim is more likely to fall any which way, causing untold amount of damage before possibly being strangled. By the means of the way rope is twisted in its manufacture, it will automatically slip to the right and stop under the point of the chin, which would force the head sharply back, breaking the neck at the third vertibrae. Instant death. On the scaffold, it is normal practice for two guards to hold the prisoner - one on either side - to prevent his moving from the central spot and the possibility of hitting the trap doors during the drop. Under the British process, from the time the officials entered the cell to the actual moment of the trap doors being released, averaged 10-12 seconds. The shortest time ever recorded was less than eight seconds, the longest some 21-22 seconds. If the above video is to be believed, the average time appears to be around five or more MINUTES! There is so much about the above video that is wrong, and could only have come from someone's fanciful imagination, for the longer the condemned is compelled to stand around, the more nervous and animated he/she will become, and the more chance of something going wrong. Under the British method, the victim does not have the time nor opportunity to think, never mind anything else, as he is simply quick-marched from his cell - which is right next door to the traps (imagine adjoining bedrooms with a single door between), placed on the centre point, hands and legs quickly strapped by the executioner and his assistant, the noose and hood slipped over the head the and the lever pulled - it's as quick as that! I really cannot imagine the Australian method being very much different, but certainly not in any way as portrayed above.
In December 2011 I visited the old Melbourne gaol which was where hangings were conducted in the state of Victoria until it closed in the 1930s, after which Pentridge Prison, where Ryan was hanged, was opened. The gallows was only a few short metres from the condemned cell, but it was different to the British system: it was not a secret chamber at the back of the condemned cell but right outside the only door to the condemned's cell and there was also a row of other cells, on this, the same 2nd floor. I do not know if the rope was tested elsewhere so as not to un-nerve the condemned, but I don't see how they could have set it up for the actual job without him being aware of it. I have read accounts of an execution in 1922 of a man who was proven innocent 86 years later, 30 year old Colin Campbell Ross. Ross read a short statement from a piece of paper he had written on while standing on the gallows before the hood was placed over his head - apparently this was the practice, in Victoria at least, other states I do not know. Another case in 1936 that I read about, a man who never claimed to be innocent, was asked on the scaffold if he wished to make a short verbal statement, but he declined. I do not know what the layout was in Pentridge but I assume the execution chamber was also right outside the condemned's cell. Ryan's last recorded words were in fact to the executioner "God bless you and please make it quick." A small contingent of the press were allowed to witness the execution. So it seems that while the Australian system was more imperfect than the British one, it was probably still heaps better than the American way.
@@Bernie8330 Very interesting, although thinking about it, I shouldn't be that surprised at the Aussies taking a different approach, for the Brits were quite pedantic about the "niceties." As shown in many old-time graphics, the original ideas in Britain were very basic: A simple broad stake in a grassy verge, with a single cross-tree and any old bit of rope was common practice. In early Victorian times that practice was outlawed in favour of a public hanging at a prison - with some semblance of decorum! By the mid-late 1800's, a whole series of botched hangings brought forth some "thinking" hangmen who began using some crude mathematics and science re weight, build and drop lengths required, but it was generally a slow learning process, right up the early 20th Century. It was Britain's Chief Hangman, Albert Pierrepoint, following in the footsteps of his family "trade" in hangings, that perfected the art and science, bringing a whole new approach to the processes. The basic idea of hangings had always been strangulation, where the condemned person struggled for much too long - in some cases for longer than 20 minutes. It was horrific for all concerned. and so the idea of breaking the neck was quick, clean and humane. A noose that didn't continue to tighten - like the Western-style - was re-invented, and no longer tightened or gave a neck burn. The process of a speedy transfer from cell to scaffold was tried and tested, but now with a hangman and assistant who could march the prisoner to the spot, strap his legs, fit the head cover, slip the noose and hit the drop lever, all within seconds. and all carried out in front of legal witnesses. The differences at Nuremburg between the American and British methods was stark. Pierrepoint hung hundreds quickly and cleanly, but the majority of those hung by the Americans, were strangled slowly, with some of their victims having their heads banged in the drop. Very unsavoury indeed. Even today in the USA, State Executions are often bungled, with both the electric chair and lethal injection; even in itself, the chair was and is a most barbaric and inhumane form of execution - worse than placing a live chicken in a microwave!! Anyone (I suspect most of us at some time) having suffered an electric shock, knows what it feels like and would never want that experience again!
@@charlieindigo I love the 2005 Pierrepoint movie starting Timothy Spalt. It was unique in that it was not telling the story of Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley or Ruth Ellis et el - they all have their stories told in other movies about them individually. This movie was about the life and career of the man who actually hanged them, a role that any pro capital punishment person would surely take for granted.
@@Bernie8330 I saw that particular movie some time ago, and although I can't quite remember it fully, I recall thinking that there were some inaccuries (which I won't go into here). As with all docu-dramas, there are elements of imagination used, along with incidents arranged for the viewer. An example of this occurs in the scene of the shooting of the prison officer. No-one knows the situation, who was standing or facing where. The precise details - as far as I can tell - were never revealed for those reasons, so one has to accept or reject what the fim shows. As far as the UK is concerned, very strict rules apply to Crown employees, who must comply with the Official Secrets Act. Under no circumstances are they allowed to relate what takes place in the course of certain duties. This applies to Prison staffs, and especially to those who share (guard) a prisoner's last days and hours in a condemned cell. As it happens, my father was present at two of the remaining State Executions in the UK, right up to the moment of execution. In both instances the condemned men made an official request that he be their escort to the gallows, such was his attitude, demeanor and humanity to both men. Very, very few people - and almost certainly none alive today - can tell anything of what took place during those last days and hours. As a police officer at the time, I was privileged to gain that knowledge from my father, so I am probably one of the only people around that can tell precisely what their role was and what took place. From that point of fact, no television documentary, film or book has ever managed to set the scene with any degree of accuracy, or indeed, come anywhere close! Those events took place nearly 60 years ago, and it may be that my documented history may at some point be published - I have not yet decided!!
@@charlieindigo I have scene a youtube video which shows Pierrepoint providing information to a royal commission into capital punishment. I wonder if the makers of the aforementioned film about him based their depiction of the executions he performed on this. Yes, there are some inaccuracies in the film, the most obvious being the ones surrounding the hanging of Dorethea Waddingham: the film depicts it as taking place during the war, whereas it was actually 1936 and also Pierrepoint wasn't the chief hangman at it but was rather assistant to his own uncle.
It is is just too sick the murderer ends up with the support of the general public and the victims along with the victim's family are more or less forgotten .
heres another fun fact, the last man sentenced to death in great britain for capital murder was in the 1990s! communted to life with perole by prime minster ! there was still a working gallows in the HM Prison system but the states of jersey and the uk government didnt have the bottle to carry it out !
Your correct about the rope. No knot was used. The 13ft rope had a kid leather covering over one end and a brass ferulle attached to one end to which the other end of the rope passed through. Was back in the 60s certainly ly after the last hanging in the UK my dad went to a company in old Kent Road Bermondsey to buy some ropes for tieing down on trucks. He came home an told me about the hangmans ropes and how they didnt have a knot.. Obviously at the time the home office still bought them as hanging had not been abolished bit only temporarily stopped in 1965. Also the export market and Im sure Ryan would have had one. Years later I womdered about it so googled it. John Edgington made ropes including hangman ropes. Interesting bit of trivia
@@Steven_Rowe 1969 abolished for capital muder - in England, wales and scotland only N.I. abolished in 1973 the states of jesery -1990s death sentence for high treason, arson in royal dockyards and piracy abolished in 1998 - across the whole union
@@geezerp1982 last death sentence passed in England, 1st November 1965 in Leeds (commuted 8th November). Last execution on British territory 1977 (double hanging in Bermuda for the murder of the Governor).
If someone else did kill the prison officer and didn't say a word even on their death beds, and there is an afterlife, may God have mercy on his soul because I wouldn't want to be him.
Mike Wahnsinn I believe in Heaven and in hell as the Bible declares it. So thankful that John 3:16 is a promise which I accept. For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Thank you, Beth.
@@bethfromarkansas7190 you know that according to your holy book, your god sacrificed himself in the peson of a jewish carpenters son (where his mother was the first jewish wife caught cheating who said it was some holy ghost) for something he was responsible for creating in the first place, so that his creation wouldn't need to suffer for eternity (that's quite a long time, if you think about it) in a place that he created especially for that for something that he declared as forbidden. totally makes sense. really. *facepalm*
Mike Wahnsinn Clearly, we do not agree. But I pray someday you will find the truth. Eternity is a long time. I have found I have peace in knowing Jesus Christ as my personal Savior and LORD. He is everything to me. Thank you for your time.
@@bethfromarkansas7190 no need to pray for me, my dear. I'm quite happy with my honest approach towards supernatural claims. since there is not a single shred of objective, testable evidence for any of those claims, there is no need to bother any further. and faith - that is by definition believing without evidence - is not a virtue. not if you truely care what you believe and why. but feel free to be happy with your faith, at least you seem to be living in a society where you are free to do so.
It’s interesting how one of the journalists talks about the hanging as being such a callous act with tears in his eyes. So was Ryan’s coldblooded murder! Ronald Ryan was not an innocent man, despite his protests of innocence. Four people testified under oath that Ryan was the man who fired the fatal shot. Ryan made a conscious decision to hang by choosing to murder in the first place. Ryan made a conscious choice to aim that gun and pull that trigger. His victim didn‘t have any choice in the matter at all!
Did Australian executioners use the "cowboy wild west" style hangman's knot as shown in the intro footage ? Given the historic connections, I would have thought it more likely to have been the version with the rope passing through an intergal steel eye to form the noose, as used by British hangmen.
You're right. It's an error in the documentary. They used a free-running, leather-covered noose of pretty much the same pattern as the British 'government rope', but did not use the chain adjustment design. They just had a longer length of rope, and wrapped it around the beam.
The noose shown is 'Thirteen turns and a half hitch'. In Australia a 'British Maritime' or 'Bosun's knot' was used. It has a brass feral in the slip and caused an injury called 'A Hangman's Fracture'.
@@Rubytuesday1569 Looks unnecessarily complicated compared to the British style knotless hangman's noose as used by Pierrepoint, for example, in the UK - a brass eye would be a ferrule - the word feral has a different meaning.
@@maconescotland8996 You're right, I made a mistake with the spelling of ferrule, my phone auto corrected. The described process was used in Western Australia until the last execution in 1964.
I will only comment on the knot. In Canada it was an American style knot. Proceedings governing capital punishment in Australia varied depending where you were in the country but it wasn't a copy of British methods
@@Bernie8330 If you read my comments, I did say the methodology differed in some respects, but as I don't know the Australian methods I can't be specific. Perhaps you missed that part. I also stated quite clearly that I had seen the movie (Timothy Small playing the role of Pierrepoint), but also quite clearly you didn't read that far or you wouldn't have asked. In that section I explained quite a lot about the film and the film-maker's agenda. When responding with a comment, it helps matters greatly when you put one in the right place rather than in a general section - it makes finding the context a lot easier! - just something else you chose to miss.
@@reggriffiths5769 No I haven't read every comment in every section and I am not obliged to do so, though the number I do get through is directly proportionate to the time I have on my hands. Your rudeness, pompousness and general condemning demeanour towards myself is more than a little disappointing. You could take a few lessons in context yourself in that regard. I only asked out of curiosity - not knowing the answer either way - and my tone was not intended to be anything but completely disarming, but I also shouldn't have to explain that, I don't think
@@Bernie8330 You are quite right - I am all the things you mentioned. However, if you do not have the time to read something, and don't have the "time proportionate" to do so, why do you seek to waste someone else's time when your questions are already answered? Don't you think that wholly inconsiderate? The plain truth that you didn't know the answer, is purely because you were too bone idle to look. Perhaps reading is too much for you, but it doesn't stop you asking spurious questions.
@@Jay-vr9ir then you don't ever want to see 'The Executioner's Son.' This guy coldly murders two or three people, is condemned to die by firing squad the everybody feels sorry for the criminal totally ignoring those innocent victims. While I don't like the death penalty I begrudgingly support it in certain rare cases.
Don't be a dumbass. This was a "man" who committed murder, who took a life and destroyed everyone the dead officer loved, and who loved him. The executioner was a man doing his duty, a good man, and releasing information about him would be evil,
@@jamesaritchie1 Yep, the only reason Albert Pierrepoint became known and famous in Britain was to give the country a morale boost after the second world war, as he had been sent to Germany to hang some 200 Nazi war criminals. Pierrepoint himself resented his new public profile and believed very strongly in the clandestine way it had always previously been done.
I believe your thinking of Eric Edgar Cooke. Hanged 26th October 1964 in Perth approx 18 months prior to Ryan. Unlike Ryan there was absolutely no doubt about his guilt. He made a full confession and even instructed that no appeals were to be made.
I'm sorry to upset anyone but if you take a life you owe a life. It is with the understanding you have ended the days of someone else and there is no coming back and yet not only have you destroyed the life of the person murdered you have destroyed the lives of those around that person ( thinking only of the self). Deterrent are not the death penalty should be the ultimate sacrifice you will pay for taking someone's life period.
This guy, no matter if he pulled the trigger or not was responsible for the death of 2 people, but not a word about these men or the devastation caused to their families. In this documentary, it's RON this and RON that, he took a father and husband away from their loved ones so fuck him. But this is the way of the world now, fuck the victim, just make sure the perpetrator gets a nice cup of tea.
Even though I feel there was enough reasonable doubt he may not have murder and should have been given a life sentence, but murders still continue and abolishing capital punishment did not stop that and no one on this planet has come up with anything to stop it, only way to slow it down, and unfortunately its execution.
If I was going to be executed, (perish the thought), hanging would be the method I would choose. Done properly it results in instantaneous death. If done wrong however, it's quite a mess.
Actually, your brain lives for several minutes when you are hanged. You die from lack of oxygen because your body stops working, stops breathing, when the spinal cord is broken, so the brain receives no oxygen. It can take four to five minutes before the brain loses consciousness, and another two or three before it is fully dead. Lethal injection is probably the death where you suffer the least. You go to sleep, but never wake up. Conscious thought ends within three seconds, as anyone who has received modern anesthesia knows.
I'm not sure that kind of rope was used in Australia Daniel, but I could be wrong. It has been used in Malaysia and Singapore for at least 40 years though.
There is the electric chair, there is the gas chamber, there is the bullet(s), and so on. But the measured drop from the gallows seems to me the best, most humane way.
@@johannesslobbe6854 - So if your father was terminally ill and hospitalized and in horrible pain and begging to be put out of his misery you would ask the hospital staff to hang him instead of using medication to end his life?
@@Marcfj In the UK, anything along those lines would be regarded as an Unlawful act. No doctor, hospital or any other person is permitted to end anyon'es life, no matter how much they are in pain. All that is allowed is palliative care, or if the patient wills it, DNR - Do Not Resuscitate. If the patient is deemed too unfit (mentally or otherwise not in control of his/her mental faculties) then the next-of-kin, and even the doctors/or under doctor's recommendation, can follow the DNR Guidelines. So your comment is simply ridiculous.
There have been far too many miscarriages of justices whereby people have endured years of imprisonment only to be then found innocent of all charges, for that reason, I am against the death penalty.
Really on what grounds?? It prevents murders? Australian murder rate per 100 000 has remained constant on 10 yr averages since 1900. Clearly Capital Punishment is no deterrent, or noone in Texas, the highest rate of capital punishment worldwide, would have no murders.
Well very nice, but I do not see anyone crying for the death warden, George hodson, if I am right was his name. If the warden was married or has children, no one gave a sh.. But still in our time with DNA it's very easy to understand , and for killers or murderers by purpose, and especially by mass murderer, I want the death penalty!!
@@YortOK : that's exactly what I have said, because in the documentary and in the movie the murderer was characterised like a SAINT. Even the priest was almost crying when he was speaking about the execution! In the country I am living for the last 40 years, one person killed 13 people (13 families destroyed) he got life sentences, but aftera few years in jail, because the law stipulates it, he was able to take every year three or four times vacation, but since he was not stupid one day he didn't return to jail, and that for a few years. Anyway after they catches him again, and now the problem is , he can take vacation or not!!!!! His name is known by most of the people in his country, but how many he killed , or what nationality the where, married, children, ? Nobody knows or even cares about!!!! On the other side just think how much he has cost until now to the state, or the taxpayer, and he is not the only one!! When on the other side the state has no money for pensions, healthcare, or education!!!
Death penalty is the most disgusting, barbarian and brutal murder that exists. There is no justification whatsoever to commit it. They kill a completely defenceless human being which by being incarcerated won’t be able to cause any further harm. Nobody is allowed to take a life.
The man was Not guilty ? I read it from his own Handwriting Yes and whom ever has that letter (I could go on) but the letter .The screws whom in more than one say it was the screw in the tower.!! There is a in house cover up .! You better believe!!!!
I'm British but I find your comment ignorant, inaccurate and offensive and it says far more about you than it can ever do about "Aussies". Criminality is not a product of genetics, more to do with background and the way people are raised. The idea that someone who's great great grand parent were transported for a heinous crime like stealing a loaf of bread is bound to become a criminal is just daft. Case dismissed M' Lud .
@ Gags. I contend, if your submission has any merit, it must also apply to Americans, South Africans, Canadians and all those other Pink zones of the Empire, as Australians, like all prior mentioned zones, descend from the British. Should you be from those countries, kindly present yourself to the nearest jail for preventative detention, as you to, by your own submission, are genetically a criminal.
The death penalty is far older than the Bible. It is done as punishment for a crime, it is done to discourage others from committing such c imes, and perhapos most important, it is done to give those who loved the victim the peace of mind that comes from knowing the murderer is dead, just like the victim, and won't be supported for the rest of his natural life with your money.
I think the point is, if Ryan and Walker had not done their jail break, Hodson, the prison guard would still be alive (at the time of the making of this documentary some 2O years later], ,as would the innocent civilian walker gunned down, as would Ryan himself. Ryan had some 7 or 8 years to go late 1965, with parole and all that, good behaviour, he might have been a free man end of 197O, roughly, less than 3 years after he met his fate. Lesson to be learned, actions have consequences.
When I was 11 years old I fell down a 2-story snow mound and landed on the front part of my head which forced it forward hard onto my chest. I heard a loud cracking noise in my neck, and was lying there on the ground unable to move or breathe. I did not see anything other than blackness. Then in what seemed like an eternity later my body gasped for air, and my arms and legs tingled. A short time later people helped me to sit upright, after which I went home with the worst headache and neck ache anyone can imagine. I had suffered -and lived through- a Hangman's Fracture on C5-6. It's caused me a lot of trouble and pain in my life - numerous procedures to correct it, medications to help with the brutal Osteoarthritis that developed all along my Cervical Spine,physical therapy, etc. My jaw wound up even being dislocated from that fall, and that too, was permanently damaged as a result. Anyway, I would say that Ryan probably did not feel a thing, though he may have heard his neck breaking like what had happened in my case.
Ya prolly could have shortened that to "its unlikely he felt anything"
@@AwesomeAngryBiker Yeah, but he needed to establish how he might know that. Hence, the backstory.
Wow you went through an awful Lot
I'm so sorry that happened to you.
Hagmans fracture
I'm old enough that I remember this. I was 9 and we lived in a small country town in QLD. I didn't understand it all at the time but I do remember the outcry about it and how everyone was against it happening.
I guess when I get old enough I'll recount when I was 9 and remember exactly the same thing about the Barlow and Chambers execution.
Ankles, Queensland would have had the most anti feelings towards it all, as that state (my own also coincidentally) had long since abolished the death penalty in 1922. The last hanging there in 1913 also attracted something of an outcry, despite the perpetrator raping a 12 year old girl and then murdering her so she wouldn't tell anyone. This occurred only a few months after him being let out of parole after something like 3 years of a 5 year sentence, also I believe for sexual assault, so he should still have been in prison in any case.
@@YortOK I was 13 going on 14 during the Barlow and Chambers saga and I was also horrified about it all and very anti ... but more than 30 years later I feel completely different about it and have only sympathy for their families, but not for them. Being far more worldly wise now, for one thing, they were not innocent Australian tourists being worked over by a wicket and backward Asian country, but in fact guilty as sin and deep in the drug trafficking scene up to their necks, if you'll pardon the pun.
good show.
Clearly in the Ryan case, some of the jurors were obviously 'bias' which had a ‘significant’ impact on their verdict (months later seven jurors changed their mind on the verdict). The jurors should have been tested before the trial to reduce the effect of 'prejudices' on their understanding of the burden of proof - in Ryan's case there was a total lack of scientific ballistic forensic evidence, only dire inconsistencies of all fourteen eyewitness' for the prosecution. Also, mega daily front-page news stories had already convicted Ryan of murder long before the trial began.
A study, published in the British Psychological Society’s Legal and Criminological Psychology journal, found that pre-trial bias, prejudices' and jurors' understanding of the concept of 'beyond reasonable doubt' have a significant impact on the verdict the jurors are likely to deliver in court.
Clearly, in the Ryan case, without any studies, we can see what the state can achieve with a rehearsed prosecution to cover up that rison officers shoot their own
It's funny at the 2.15 point, the man on the far right played Bill Ponsford in the abc bodyline mini series drama and the man on the far left played Harold Larwood.
If you read Albert Pierpoint's book he describes a leather washer being used to hold the noose in place. This would not be needed for the knot shown here.
The leather washer was, it was thought, a more secure way to guarantee the noose working right.
The knot was not always a certainty.
Unless your gonna build a prison for these animals where they can absolutely never get there hands on another human being! Then you have to put these animals down , I’m not saying this guy did it , the evidence was pretty weak , but the majority are complete animals, I saw a documentary on this one prisoner that got life instead of death because although the bite marks on this mutilated woman were very close , the jury wouldn’t give the death penalty on the guy , so he gets life , 15 years in he’s. Got the warden saying he’d feel safe taking this guy home to his family! All the guards believed he was innocent! Had the run of the prison ! Then one day they hired a pretty woman guard ! That ended up somehow going missing! So they put the puzzle together , and have to literally take apart the city dump ! Well they find her , well pieces of her , and guess what they find all over her torso ? Bite marks ! Turns out the SOB raped and tortured her to death ! Then cut her body up and threw her in the trash ! The same evil prick all these people thought was wrongly accused ! Well the teeth matched plus they had DNA by then ! He only got another life sentence ! Wonder how the jury felt about that !
He was a great bloke, loved his grub
Don't they have to put the knot on the opposite side in Australia? Because, ya know, everything turns backwards like the bathtub drains.
good insight; also, vigilance needed not to hang people upside down
Hey Gordon Wardell,, you are WRONG! There are some so evil and wicked as to forfeit their right to live. In my city, an eight year old girl was raped, strangled and stuffed into an old refrigerator. The person responsible does not deserve life.
I understand a victims need for revenge. But, the judicial process is not perfect. Prosecutors may have political motives, police may be corrupt, or inept. Public outcry may demand a target at all costs. It has been proven many times that absolutely innocent people are convicted and sentence to death. If the State kills the innocent, the State has committed murder.
Well said.
If there is an admission of guilt, the admission will be used to fold the proof around.
Any judge or jury would be advised to always ignore the admission and pick the proof apart.
I respect Roland for seeking redemption I'll give him that
one problem i see with this video is that the noose use is an American style noose, not a British style noose which was used in Australia
the ausie executioner has allways been a screw from a different nick.
God bless the Hangman, 🙏🏻 I’ve seen a documentary on this hangman he was used all over the world for England, if a man asks you to do it quickly, and you leap for the lever your a decent human being!
So you are saying that because a man tells you to pull a lever to kill someone and you do quickly and leap for it then that makes you a decent person. That's ridiculous and it's what all the worst war criminals always say, '' I was just following orders''. The SS definitely pulled a lot of levers in WW2 but because their 'man' said it was okay then that makes them decent. You obviously aren't old enough to remember apartheid in South Africa. The whites were the ones in power and blacks were the second class citizens, and there was plenty of lever pulling going on there, A decent man is the one who stops and thinks.
I have no idea of how Capital Punishment by hanging was carried out in Australia, but I do know the entire process as was done in the UK. I would have thought that Australia would have used something very similar to the UK since it was, and has been a British Colony for 200 years. No docu-drama ever portrays an event with accuracy, especially in the case of a State Execution which precise processes were not normally available for public knowledge or scrutiny; Such things usually come under the Official Secrets Act, and I presume this would also have applied in Australia.
As far as the above drama itself is concerned, there is no resemblance whatsoever to any State Execution as was performed in the UK.
In the first place, the use of a Western-style rope would never be used, for several reasons. In Britain, the rope end had a metal eye through which the rope was threaded to make a loop, and which allowed the rope to slip freely. Once the noose was placed over the condemned's head, the "eye" was placed under the left jawbone, and held in place by a rubber ring.
The drama shows a long length of rope draped over a guard rail - this is extremely unlikely to have ever been the case, because the evening prior to the date of execution, a sandbag matching the victim's weight would have been attached to the noose and dropped the predetermined, calculated drop distance in order to stretch the rope, the purpose of this was to prevent any further stretching that would alter the calculation, and any spring-back. Left overnight, the executioner and his assistant would remove the sandbag and lightly tie the rope to the level of the victim's neck.To do it as shown in the video, would be an absolute disaster as there is too much loose rope; when dropped by such means, the victim is more likely to fall any which way, causing untold amount of damage before possibly being strangled. By the means of the way rope is twisted in its manufacture, it will automatically slip to the right and stop under the point of the chin, which would force the head sharply back, breaking the neck at the third vertibrae. Instant death.
On the scaffold, it is normal practice for two guards to hold the prisoner - one on either side - to prevent his moving from the central spot and the possibility of hitting the trap doors during the drop.
Under the British process, from the time the officials entered the cell to the actual moment of the trap doors being released, averaged 10-12 seconds. The shortest time ever recorded was less than eight seconds, the longest some 21-22 seconds. If the above video is to be believed, the average time appears to be around five or more MINUTES!
There is so much about the above video that is wrong, and could only have come from someone's fanciful imagination, for the longer the condemned is compelled to stand around, the more nervous and animated he/she will become, and the more chance of something going wrong. Under the British method, the victim does not have the time nor opportunity to think, never mind anything else, as he is simply quick-marched from his cell - which is right next door to the traps (imagine adjoining bedrooms with a single door between), placed on the centre point, hands and legs quickly strapped by the executioner and his assistant, the noose and hood slipped over the head the and the lever pulled - it's as quick as that! I really cannot imagine the Australian method being very much different, but certainly not in any way as portrayed above.
In December 2011 I visited the old Melbourne gaol which was where hangings were conducted in the state of Victoria until it closed in the 1930s, after which Pentridge Prison, where Ryan was hanged, was opened. The gallows was only a few short metres from the condemned cell, but it was different to the British system: it was not a secret chamber at the back of the condemned cell but right outside the only door to the condemned's cell and there was also a row of other cells, on this, the same 2nd floor. I do not know if the rope was tested elsewhere so as not to un-nerve the condemned, but I don't see how they could have set it up for the actual job without him being aware of it. I have read accounts of an execution in 1922 of a man who was proven innocent 86 years later, 30 year old Colin Campbell Ross. Ross read a short statement from a piece of paper he had written on while standing on the gallows before the hood was placed over his head - apparently this was the practice, in Victoria at least, other states I do not know. Another case in 1936 that I read about, a man who never claimed to be innocent, was asked on the scaffold if he wished to make a short verbal statement, but he declined. I do not know what the layout was in Pentridge but I assume the execution chamber was also right outside the condemned's cell. Ryan's last recorded words were in fact to the executioner "God bless you and please make it quick." A small contingent of the press were allowed to witness the execution. So it seems that while the Australian system was more imperfect than the British one, it was probably still heaps better than the American way.
@@Bernie8330 Very interesting, although thinking about it, I shouldn't be that surprised at the Aussies taking a different approach, for the Brits were quite pedantic about the "niceties." As shown in many old-time graphics, the original ideas in Britain were very basic: A simple broad stake in a grassy verge, with a single cross-tree and any old bit of rope was common practice. In early Victorian times that practice was outlawed in favour of a public hanging at a prison - with some semblance of decorum! By the mid-late 1800's, a whole series of botched hangings brought forth some "thinking" hangmen who began using some crude mathematics and science re weight, build and drop lengths required, but it was generally a slow learning process, right up the early 20th Century. It was Britain's Chief Hangman, Albert Pierrepoint, following in the footsteps of his family "trade" in hangings, that perfected the art and science, bringing a whole new approach to the processes. The basic idea of hangings had always been strangulation, where the condemned person struggled for much too long - in some cases for longer than 20 minutes. It was horrific for all concerned. and so the idea of breaking the neck was quick, clean and humane. A noose that didn't continue to tighten - like the Western-style - was re-invented, and no longer tightened or gave a neck burn. The process of a speedy transfer from cell to scaffold was tried and tested, but now with a hangman and assistant who could march the prisoner to the spot, strap his legs, fit the head cover, slip the noose and hit the drop lever, all within seconds. and all carried out in front of legal witnesses.
The differences at Nuremburg between the American and British methods was stark. Pierrepoint hung hundreds quickly and cleanly, but the majority of those hung by the Americans, were strangled slowly, with some of their victims having their heads banged in the drop. Very unsavoury indeed. Even today in the USA, State Executions are often bungled, with both the electric chair and lethal injection; even in itself, the chair was and is a most barbaric and inhumane form of execution - worse than placing a live chicken in a microwave!! Anyone (I suspect most of us at some time) having suffered an electric shock, knows what it feels like and would never want that experience again!
@@charlieindigo I love the 2005 Pierrepoint movie starting Timothy Spalt. It was unique in that it was not telling the story of Timothy Evans, Derek Bentley or Ruth Ellis et el - they all have their stories told in other movies about them individually. This movie was about the life and career of the man who actually hanged them, a role that any pro capital punishment person would surely take for granted.
@@Bernie8330 I saw that particular movie some time ago, and although I can't quite remember it fully, I recall thinking that there were some inaccuries (which I won't go into here).
As with all docu-dramas, there are elements of imagination used, along with incidents arranged for the viewer. An example of this occurs in the scene of the shooting of the prison officer. No-one knows the situation, who was standing or facing where. The precise details - as far as I can tell - were never revealed for those reasons, so one has to accept or reject what the fim shows.
As far as the UK is concerned, very strict rules apply to Crown employees, who must comply with the Official Secrets Act. Under no circumstances are they allowed to relate what takes place in the course of certain duties. This applies to Prison staffs, and especially to those who share (guard) a prisoner's last days and hours in a condemned cell. As it happens, my father was present at two of the remaining State Executions in the UK, right up to the moment of execution. In both instances the condemned men made an official request that he be their escort to the gallows, such was his attitude, demeanor and humanity to both men. Very, very few people - and almost certainly none alive today - can tell anything of what took place during those last days and hours. As a police officer at the time, I was privileged to gain that knowledge from my father, so I am probably one of the only people around that can tell precisely what their role was and what took place. From that point of fact, no television documentary, film or book has ever managed to set the scene with any degree of accuracy, or indeed, come anywhere close! Those events took place nearly 60 years ago, and it may be that my documented history may at some point be published - I have not yet decided!!
@@charlieindigo I have scene a youtube video which shows Pierrepoint providing information to a royal commission into capital punishment. I wonder if the makers of the aforementioned film about him based their depiction of the executions he performed on this. Yes, there are some inaccuracies in the film, the most obvious being the ones surrounding the hanging of Dorethea Waddingham: the film depicts it as taking place during the war, whereas it was actually 1936 and also Pierrepoint wasn't the chief hangman at it but was rather assistant to his own uncle.
so sad
only here to do research, found out I'm related to him like 20 mins ago.
“....and when they were languishing, I committed with them the evils of the flesh”
bro
if i were someone
and if i get that head
He died with dignity and the law was carried out.
Strange thing.My daughter's birthday is on the first date of his execution, and my son's is the actual date.
It is is just too sick the murderer ends up with the support of the general public and the victims along with the victim's family are more or less forgotten .
Joseph Forest to me that’s another reason why executions are wrong lock them up and forget them
@@anne-marieriamitchell1140 Too expensive to keep them .
@Jane Marsee
Executions are more expensive than life in prison. It is weird but it is true (at least for the USA).
Wouldn’t he have said he didn’t do it ?
The British/Australians did not use the knot shown at the start of the film.
heres another fun fact, the last man sentenced to death in great britain for capital murder was in the 1990s! communted to life with perole by prime minster ! there was still a working gallows in the HM Prison system but the states of jersey and the uk government didnt have the bottle to carry it out !
Your correct about the rope.
No knot was used.
The 13ft rope had a kid leather covering over one end and a brass ferulle attached to one end to which the other end of the rope passed through.
Was back in the 60s certainly ly after the last hanging in the UK my dad went to a company in old Kent Road Bermondsey to buy some ropes for tieing down on trucks.
He came home an told me about the hangmans ropes and how they didnt have a knot..
Obviously at the time the home office still bought them as hanging had not been abolished bit only temporarily stopped in 1965.
Also the export market and Im sure Ryan would have had one.
Years later I womdered about it so googled it.
John Edgington made ropes including hangman ropes.
Interesting bit of trivia
@@Steven_Rowe 1969 abolished for capital muder - in England, wales and scotland only
N.I. abolished in 1973
the states of jesery -1990s
death sentence for high treason, arson in royal dockyards and piracy abolished in 1998 - across the whole union
@@geezerp1982 last death sentence passed in England, 1st November 1965 in Leeds (commuted 8th November). Last execution on British territory 1977 (double hanging in Bermuda for the murder of the Governor).
No noose is good noose
If someone else did kill the prison officer and didn't say a word even on their death beds, and there is an afterlife, may God have mercy on his soul because I wouldn't want to be him.
@callyharley don't worry, there is no afterlife. at least none that any religion alive or dead proposes. and most likely no other either.
Mike Wahnsinn I believe in Heaven and in hell as the Bible declares it. So thankful that John 3:16 is a promise which I accept. For God so loved the world, He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Thank you, Beth.
@@bethfromarkansas7190 you know that according to your holy book, your god sacrificed himself in the peson of a jewish carpenters son (where his mother was the first jewish wife caught cheating who said it was some holy ghost) for something he was responsible for creating in the first place, so that his creation wouldn't need to suffer for eternity (that's quite a long time, if you think about it) in a place that he created especially for that for something that he declared as forbidden. totally makes sense. really. *facepalm*
Mike Wahnsinn Clearly, we do not agree. But I pray someday you will find the truth. Eternity is a long time. I have found I have peace in knowing Jesus Christ as my personal Savior and LORD. He is everything to me. Thank you for your time.
@@bethfromarkansas7190 no need to pray for me, my dear. I'm quite happy with my honest approach towards supernatural claims. since there is not a single shred of objective, testable evidence for any of those claims, there is no need to bother any further. and faith - that is by definition believing without evidence - is not a virtue. not if you truely care what you believe and why. but feel free to be happy with your faith, at least you seem to be living in a society where you are free to do so.
No escape, no take the weapon, no dead guard = no hanging
Ok he finally said he wasn’t guilty
It’s interesting how one of the journalists talks about the hanging as being such a callous act with tears in his eyes. So was Ryan’s coldblooded murder! Ronald Ryan was not an innocent man, despite his protests of innocence. Four people testified under oath that Ryan was the man who fired the fatal shot. Ryan made a conscious decision to hang by choosing to murder in the first place. Ryan made a conscious choice to aim that gun and pull that trigger. His victim didn‘t have any choice in the matter at all!
who the hell are those four people. if Ryan did shot him then wheres the cartridge. no round no proof.
Did Australian executioners use the "cowboy wild west" style hangman's knot as shown in the intro footage ?
Given the historic connections, I would have thought it more likely to have been the version with the rope passing through an intergal steel eye to form the noose, as used by British hangmen.
You're right. It's an error in the documentary. They used a free-running, leather-covered noose of pretty much the same pattern as the British 'government rope', but did not use the chain adjustment design. They just had a longer length of rope, and wrapped it around the beam.
The noose shown is 'Thirteen turns and a half hitch'. In Australia a 'British Maritime' or 'Bosun's knot' was used. It has a brass feral in the slip and caused an injury called 'A Hangman's Fracture'.
@@Rubytuesday1569 Looks unnecessarily complicated compared to the British style knotless hangman's noose as used by Pierrepoint, for example, in the UK - a brass eye would be a ferrule - the word feral has a different meaning.
@@maconescotland8996 You're right, I made a mistake with the spelling of ferrule, my phone auto corrected. The described process was used in Western Australia until the last execution in 1964.
Starts out with a USA cowboy style hangman's noose. The Aussies would have used a Brit style slip noose.
Somehow i think they should have given him real notepaper to write to his family.
To hell with his family. If he was going to be given good paper, it should have been used to write to the victim's family, begging for forgiveness.
I will only comment on the knot. In Canada it was an American style knot. Proceedings governing capital punishment in Australia varied depending where you were in the country but it wasn't a copy of British methods
In England they didn’t use the same kind of hangman’s noose ,
Quite right - see my description above.
@@charlieindigo And a different methodology. I assume you've seen the movie "Pierrepoint: The Last Hangman"?
@@Bernie8330 If you read my comments, I did say the methodology differed in some respects, but as I don't know the Australian methods I can't be specific. Perhaps you missed that part. I also stated quite clearly that I had seen the movie (Timothy Small playing the role of Pierrepoint), but also quite clearly you didn't read that far or you wouldn't have asked. In that section I explained quite a lot about the film and the film-maker's agenda.
When responding with a comment, it helps matters greatly when you put one in the right place rather than in a general section - it makes finding the context a lot easier! - just something else you chose to miss.
@@reggriffiths5769 No I haven't read every comment in every section and I am not obliged to do so, though the number I do get through is directly proportionate to the time I have on my hands.
Your rudeness, pompousness and general condemning demeanour towards myself is more than a little disappointing. You could take a few lessons in context yourself in that regard. I only asked out of curiosity - not knowing the answer either way - and my tone was not intended to be anything but completely disarming, but I also shouldn't have to explain that, I don't think
@@Bernie8330 You are quite right - I am all the things you mentioned. However, if you do not have the time to read something, and don't have the "time proportionate" to do so, why do you seek to waste someone else's time when your questions are already answered? Don't you think that wholly inconsiderate? The plain truth that you didn't know the answer, is purely because you were too bone idle to look. Perhaps reading is too much for you, but it doesn't stop you asking spurious questions.
Yes I could pull the lever.
Not a bad way to go. Just a suspended sentence.
M-1 Carbne did have recoil.
wat bout the poor prison officer who got killed ?
So true I hate the way , the killers are turned into victims.
@@Jay-vr9ir well said mate. The world is so screwed up now. Murderers are victims and victims are ignored. Bring back the noose.
@@Jay-vr9ir then you don't ever want to see 'The Executioner's Son.' This guy coldly murders two or three people, is condemned to die by firing squad the everybody feels sorry for the criminal totally ignoring those innocent victims. While I don't like the death penalty I begrudgingly support it in certain rare cases.
bring it back
And as expected, no information whatsoever regarding the identity of the executioner (hangman).
Don't be a dumbass. This was a "man" who committed murder, who took a life and destroyed everyone the dead officer loved, and who loved him. The executioner was a man doing his duty, a good man, and releasing information about him would be evil,
@@jamesaritchie1 Yep, the only reason Albert Pierrepoint became known and famous in Britain was to give the country a morale boost after the second world war, as he had been sent to Germany to hang some 200 Nazi war criminals. Pierrepoint himself resented his new public profile and believed very strongly in the clandestine way it had always previously been done.
35:44 > Ulster Scots Australian accent?
British person who emigrated to Australia.
What about Robert Cook?
I believe your thinking of Eric Edgar Cooke. Hanged 26th October 1964 in Perth approx 18 months prior to Ryan. Unlike Ryan there was absolutely no doubt about his guilt. He made a full confession and even instructed that no appeals were to be made.
I'm sorry to upset anyone but if you take a life you owe a life. It is with the understanding you have ended the days of someone else and there is no coming back and yet not only have you destroyed the life of the person murdered you have destroyed the lives of those around that person ( thinking only of the self). Deterrent are not the death penalty should be the ultimate sacrifice you will pay for taking someone's life period.
Have you ever killed a fly? That's a life
This guy, no matter if he pulled the trigger or not was responsible for the death of 2 people, but not a word about these men or the devastation caused to their families. In this documentary, it's RON this and RON that,
he took a father and husband away from their loved ones so fuck him. But this is the way of the world now, fuck the victim, just make sure the perpetrator gets a nice cup of tea.
I don't think he did it he was a stand up guy I think the guard shot him accidentally anyways hey pete dad says hello\m/ the maori re-stumper hahaha
Even though I feel there was enough reasonable doubt he may not have murder and should have been given a life sentence, but murders still continue and abolishing capital punishment did not stop that and no one on this planet has come up with anything to stop it, only way to slow it down, and unfortunately its execution.
Patrick Chapman are there more murders now per capita then?
If I was going to be executed, (perish the thought), hanging would be the method I would choose. Done properly it results in instantaneous death. If done wrong however, it's quite a mess.
Actually, your brain lives for several minutes when you are hanged. You die from lack of oxygen because your body stops working, stops breathing, when the spinal cord is broken, so the brain receives no oxygen. It can take four to five minutes before the brain loses consciousness, and another two or three before it is fully dead.
Lethal injection is probably the death where you suffer the least. You go to sleep, but never wake up. Conscious thought ends within three seconds, as anyone who has received modern anesthesia knows.
Me too though if I ever were to be executed I hope and pray that it be for a noble cause never for a crime.
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@@jamesaritchie1
It is not only the breaking of the neck, but quite a few other things working together in a measured drop.
@@YortOK
An executioner that didn't know his job, obviously.
ha ha not done with slipknot. Steel eyelet spliced into end of rope
Daniel Cummings okay?
I'm not sure that kind of rope was used in Australia Daniel, but I could be wrong. It has been used in Malaysia and Singapore for at least 40 years though.
A balanced review would have been preferable.
Yeh sounds and looks like a real sweetheart. Had huge potential . Give me a break.
People like you need a break.
Never trust a dingo
Always trust a Ringo though.
This is bullshit, they didn't use a massive knot like that they just used a brass ring
I'm not opposed to the death penalty, I am opposed to hanging as a means of carrying it out.
There is the electric chair, there is the gas chamber, there is the bullet(s), and so on.
But the measured drop from the gallows seems to me the best, most humane way.
@@johannesslobbe6854 - So if your father was terminally ill and hospitalized and in horrible pain and begging to be put out of his misery you would ask the hospital staff to hang him instead of using medication to end his life?
@@Marcfj
That is just a very stupid answer.
Rather idiotic, even.
@@hans2406 - That wasn't an answer; it was a question that you obviously don't want to answer.
@@Marcfj In the UK, anything along those lines would be regarded as an Unlawful act. No doctor, hospital or any other person is permitted to end anyon'es life, no matter how much they are in pain. All that is allowed is palliative care, or if the patient wills it, DNR - Do Not Resuscitate. If the patient is deemed too unfit (mentally or otherwise not in control of his/her mental faculties) then the next-of-kin, and even the doctors/or under doctor's recommendation, can follow the DNR Guidelines. So your comment is simply ridiculous.
There have been far too many miscarriages of justices whereby people have endured years of imprisonment only to be then found innocent of all charges, for that reason, I am against the death penalty.
I would have no problem hanging or putting anyone to death proposed by law
Thats what the nazi said
Really on what grounds??
It prevents murders? Australian murder rate per 100 000 has remained constant on 10 yr averages since 1900. Clearly Capital Punishment is no deterrent, or noone in Texas, the highest rate of capital punishment worldwide, would have no murders.
Wow you sound like one...kinky...young woman.
Maybe the difference came later on in history? They hung people up until the 50s in England
1965
People are still hung, shot, gassed, electrocuted, injected, decapitated in the name of justice by various less then first world countries.
Well very nice, but I do not see anyone crying for the death warden, George hodson, if I am right was his name. If the warden was married or has children, no one gave a sh..
But still in our time with DNA it's very easy to understand , and for killers or murderers by purpose, and especially by mass murderer, I want the death penalty!!
He was married and still has living children.
@@YortOK : that's exactly what I have said, because in the documentary and in the movie the murderer was characterised like a SAINT. Even the priest was almost crying when he was speaking about the execution!
In the country I am living for the last 40 years, one person killed 13 people (13 families destroyed) he got life sentences, but aftera few years in jail, because the law stipulates it, he was able to take every year three or four times vacation, but since he was not stupid one day he didn't return to jail, and that for a few years. Anyway after they catches him again, and now the problem is , he can take vacation or not!!!!!
His name is known by most of the people in his country, but how many he killed , or what nationality the where, married, children, ? Nobody knows or even cares about!!!!
On the other side just think how much he has cost until now to the state, or the taxpayer, and he is not the only one!! When on the other side the state has no money for pensions, healthcare, or education!!!
As a general rule I support capital punishment.
Death penalty is the most disgusting, barbarian and brutal murder that exists. There is no justification whatsoever to commit it. They kill a completely defenceless human being which by being incarcerated won’t be able to cause any further harm. Nobody is allowed to take a life.
Jane Marsee would you feel comfortable with the death penalty if as a wrongly convicted innocent person you were on the gallows?
The last man to be huge in Carlisle England
The wife
The knot does not know left from right. More explanation/proof is needed.
I agree! The neck is symmetric so why should placing it on one side or the other produce very different results?
@@balancedactguy
The body seems to symmetrical.
But it isn't.
@@johannesslobbe6854 Where in lies the difference between the left & right sides?
For the proof, see my response to Ron B above. The answer is very simple when you know!
Poor criminals,they were the victims.
The man was Not guilty ? I read it from his own Handwriting Yes and whom ever has that letter (I could go on) but the letter .The screws whom in more than one say it was the screw in the tower.!! There is a in house cover up .! You better believe!!!!
Poor uncle Ron, ripped off.
can notadmit the did a crime.
Genetics! Aussies are not called convicts for nothing. Next case m’ lud.
I'm British but I find your comment ignorant, inaccurate and offensive and it says far more about you than it can ever do about "Aussies". Criminality is not a product of genetics, more to do with background and the way people are raised. The idea that someone who's great great grand parent were transported for a heinous crime like stealing a loaf of bread is bound to become a criminal is just daft. Case dismissed M' Lud .
@ Gags. I contend, if your submission has any merit, it must also apply to Americans, South Africans, Canadians and all those other Pink zones of the Empire, as Australians, like all prior mentioned zones, descend from the British. Should you be from those countries, kindly present yourself to the nearest jail for preventative detention, as you to, by your own submission, are genetically a criminal.
The death penalty is from biblical law.
The death penalty is far older than the Bible. It is done as punishment for a crime, it is done to discourage others from committing such c
imes, and perhapos most important, it is done to give those who loved the victim the peace of mind that comes from knowing the murderer is dead, just like the victim, and won't be supported for the rest of his natural life with your money.
SO WHAT?? He got what HE DESERVED!!
Ryan was obviouosly possessed of a criminal mind. His execution was totally justified.
thank you freud
You are probably not old enough to remember.Justify his execution ????
I think the point is, if Ryan and Walker had not done their jail break, Hodson, the prison guard would still be alive (at the time of the making of this documentary some 2O years later], ,as would the innocent civilian walker gunned down, as would Ryan himself. Ryan had some 7 or 8 years to go late 1965, with parole and all that, good behaviour, he might have been a free man end of 197O, roughly, less than 3 years after he met his fate. Lesson to be learned, actions have consequences.
What a load of shit. And they couldn't even provide the identity of the executioner.
@@ChiefofGeneralSfaff In Australia that is standard practice. All that is known is that he was a guard who worked at Ceduna prison in SA
No sympathy Ryan got what he deserved
Yes I would expect that from a brain that must watch to much TV wake up my friend
@@goergelucas1232 I wonder how you would feel if the guard was your brother, father or friend. You need to wake up . What a stupid comment.