Big difference between frost towers and other mana users is that it's mana per second. Other towers use a % of their damage as cost per shot (I've had a level 60 obelisk using 14/shot instead of the base 2). It's the same thing for the ballista/mortar mana upgrades. *This means it can screw with your overall mana pool very hard, meaning you need to compensate more mana/s increase, and mana pool is not effective.
@@christinemorgan5379 my good man you act like NL had any mana this entire game. His whole strategy was slap as many siphons as possible and pray they kept up
@@Hel1mutt That map was beatable, he should have been building north or behind the gate so they hit coming out and then hit again when they walked a decent distance and still be out side of rush/missle the base. He also did not have enough towers shooting each health block (shields, life, armor) so when the boss came out to many towers either ignored the boss or just where not optimized to deal with it. I did look like a hard map but not unbeatable.
I love watching Northernlion at night cus he has these like long form videos which are just very relaxing and when i fall asleep i forget like 90% of the video so i can watch it again the next day infinite content
also NL: never uses mine dropper near fort, even if waves become one big onslaught (they're essentially like frost keeps without slow, but the "snow" stays effective even on the ground)
NL when you take sorcery you gotta upgrade your mana banks reserve so each one you put down adds to max mana best way to solve any mana problems and a early particle cannon is way better than an obelisk with Morters
NL need to realize mostly upgraded ballista is one of the best towers, upgrade cards are just better than new towers, every additional tower dilute deck pool making upgrade harder.
Here's some tips for u :3, Obelisks are great for damaging high HP enemies but SUCKS at clean up, try to use 2 frost keeps on areas where your main dmg dealers are to eliminate RNG based slow they do, Use lookout with Obelisks to maximize it's dmg outputs, Radars are great for slow, high HP based enemies, place Tesla's around the map to thin out huge crowds, Try to spam mana banks when your confident with your defense, Shredders are great for clean up but SUCKS at damaging high HP enemies and finally spam encampments near the tower to eliminate any pesky leakage.
Here are priorities for the tower: Obelisk - Most Armor, Progress, Most HP Shredder - Not needed Radar - Most HP, Slowest, Most HP/Armor Particle cannon - Most Shield, progress, Most HP Sprayers - Not really needed
literally died the same way as last time he got to Big Brain Oogie, I thought for sure when he started building towers further down the line he wouldn't make the same mistake. But in typical egg fashion he recognized a need, gave it the smallest possible attention and then forgot it existed.
When NL placed a shredder directly behind the portal instead of a flame thrower is the first time I've audibly reacted to his videos, sometimes I just don't understand his brain
Sure, let's place a shredder where it will have the shortest possible path to go down, to do the least extra damage. And bonus: It does bleed damage, so any enemy with armor or shields will receive reduced damage. Genius!
The reason Lisa couldn't solve the puzzle is because she was ignoring one element that ended up being key because she thought it was too simple. Which makes me think of what NL said about upgrading individual towers being too much work, lol.
I beat the game with poison sprayer/flamethrower/shredder clusters plus the DOT application buffs and poison slow. A single particle cannon and biplane/radar targeting most shield and most health. Then another of each when the path stretches beyond the range of the first. Also a swarm of ballistae closer to the tower (but not right on it) levelled to 10 and targeting "near death" with one poison sprayer solely for the slowing as one layer of defense against survivors and speedsters. Closer to the tower around a bend right after the ballistae swarm, two encampments to catch survivors and speedsters with massive burst damage. The encampment just slowly churns out landmines while my clusters melt hordes. By the time anything reaches them there's maybe 15+ mines leveled to do 1k damage for each damage type. The first 6-10 squares of path from the tower never saw a single enemy after like wave 15 until 43. Never took banditry, not worth. There's 5 levels of another card that boosts gold drop by one each. Enemies drop 5 gold at the start, plus another 5 from the card I mentioned. Enemies now drop 10 gold each. Plus one more gold for every different tower they are hit by. Plus house bonus.
This happened to me yesterday on level 16. I was so happy to not see a single split until the 15th tile told me to tun into the middle of the others. It definitely moves quick.
I dont think they actually have aoe, im fairly certain they just switch targets rapidly and that only the mortars have true aoe. This includes the frost towers, they actually shoot invisible projectiles one at a time at enemies. Not sure how true all that is but someone that read the game's code was talking about it on diskord
@@andrewcrawford5121 From what I can tell playing the game, poison/flamethrower fire a wide projectile that can hit further than they can fire, hitting everything in the path. I've seen them hit 50+ enemies in a line, then miss ones right next to the target because they fire from uphill directly down. I think maximum effectiveness for AoE would be on flat terrain, because height CAN make them miss splash hits. Side note, did you know ballistas hit the first target the arrow comes across, and can also hit ones past the target if it dies? Try setting an early ballista to armor only, alot of the time it hits lil goblins instead.
@@andrewcrawford5121 btw just so you know, that snow 'effect' that the frost towers put on a track isn't an effect. It's the actual projectile they shoot lol
Incredibly short map with lots of corners, "Increase the DoT's!" ....but the line is so short... should focus on getting more damage on those long corners so make the most of the range
I think NLs biggest weakness with this game is positioning. He's absolutely getting better at it, but he falls into the fallacy of +3 spots being where he needs to place his towers. +3 spots are lovely, but when they're in the corner of the map like that Obelisk, it's worse than a spot that has +0 but is in the center of the turning path. And then the second Obelisk, he puts it on the +3, but it's wedged into the far edge of a nice semicircle path. If you put it on the +0 in the middle of the semicircle, it would cover more ground than the +3 in the corner. The AoEs mean nothing if they aren't covering paths. There are many, many OP spots that are +1 and +2, positioning is much more important than hitting that +3
A perfect, single file long lane map with shredders, and chat keeps urging NL to take damage over time lol Shredders and radar focus on this map would be crazy
@@Axemninja Magics rebalance lately makes dots too pricy imo, good to hit groups and slow for the poison but the investment in mana banks could just buy shredders and upgrade them or spam towers, shred and planes is cheap and efficient imo. The obelisk is just, bad tho, you're not wrong
NL won't see this, but when you have so many mana banks. Keep an eye out for "Savings Accounnt" Upgrade. Adds +10 to each mana bank stroage. This +6% mana total regen is huge
so at 34:10 NL beats level 31 and progresses to 32, but immediately after he managed to clear the few enemies that made it through on round 32 and because there were no enemies left on the map it progressed him to 33. This could be a cool bug to have fun with. edit: I think it might have doubled the mobs too though so maybe its just death
Pretty cool run, i think the priorities on some towers could've helped (i.e. obelisk near portal not targeting most armour). Almost at that dub though, keep at it!!
It hurt to see an obelisk in a tesla's spot, which he rolled and didn't grab, especially with a lot of +2's and +3''s around, like the one 2 right and 1 up from the particle cannon for the obelisk.. and a fairly good looking double laned kill zone right by it. I wish I had the guaranteed winning path luck that NL does in this run lol, love actually seeing obelisk in use either way.
Part of the problem is your placement, that mortar can reach a huge portion of the map but you placed it in a spot that was ideal for a Tesla coil or Obelisk...
The worst thing about this game, and the reason this run went so well is that you actually get more enemies when paths branch, so there's a huge luck factor around how many times your path splits
IDK if a 50/50 split could be fair without any additional enemies. With multiple lanes, you can essentially time them the way you like, and give your towers and mana some time to recharge between partial waves. If no enemies were spawned at all, having many branches would be too easy. They seem to overestimate that factor a bit, tho, and add too many enemies.
The maps are randomly generated and you just need to bank on the path curving into itself within the first maybe 15 levels, assuming path splits are less likely to occur early.
it triggers me seeing him put mortar towers on the tesla coil spot. mortars should be on ground level, they already have range. the damage bonus is basically nothing
The spot where the boss walks at 59:44 would be nice for some serious late defense, say poison, and one chunk past that (to the bottom left) there's another where a mine dropper would have been huge. Or maybe mine droppers on both. And he could have done that like 3 minutes into the game!
I love your content egg but you gotta buy mana siphons and put your towers at spots where they can hit enemies before and after the bends. Obelisks drain mana and should be saved for later, also radars would have totally saved the speedrun here... It was definitely wacky and wild in real time though, well played
I think chat told him once weeks ago that upgrading isn’t worth it until late game, and by the time he gets to late game, he’s too focused on putting the wrong towers in the wrong places to remember to upgrade
You must be new. NL never mods any games. Isaac, a game he has played for 10 years, was the only game he's ever modded and even then it was just a mod that displays information of an item when near it.
Shout out to the guy who said to place a poison sprayer near his tower, and NL places one proudly near the portal
NL: has 3 obelisks firing simultaneously
Also NL: is worried about frost towers harming his mana reserves
His Diamond Hands are too strong!! He refuses to sell.
But the Sell/Buy strategy relies on that 🤣
Big difference between frost towers and other mana users is that it's mana per second. Other towers use a % of their damage as cost per shot (I've had a level 60 obelisk using 14/shot instead of the base 2). It's the same thing for the ballista/mortar mana upgrades.
*This means it can screw with your overall mana pool very hard, meaning you need to compensate more mana/s increase, and mana pool is not effective.
@@christinemorgan5379 my good man you act like NL had any mana this entire game.
His whole strategy was slap as many siphons as possible and pray they kept up
During Oogie waves, it can be good to adjust the stronger towers to prioritize most health/armour/shields in order to target Oogie earlier.
Oh peak NL. Reprioritize towers 😂😂😂
pretty cursed map, not sure if it was even beatable, but thats also why keep an airplane or two focusing on most health for the bosses
@@Hel1mutt That map was beatable, he should have been building north or behind the gate so they hit coming out and then hit again when they walked a decent distance and still be out side of rush/missle the base.
He also did not have enough towers shooting each health block (shields, life, armor) so when the boss came out to many towers either ignored the boss or just where not optimized to deal with it.
I did look like a hard map but not unbeatable.
*demolishes first obelisk because of bad positioning*
*rebuilds it in the exact same spot 30 seconds later*
Whoever said “Show calves” in chat is a legend and I’m disappointed in NL for not obliging that man
I love watching Northernlion at night cus he has these like long form videos which are just very relaxing and when i fall asleep i forget like 90% of the video so i can watch it again the next day
infinite content
NL: first move: wastes best position for short range with the longest ranged tower
NL: I wish i could beat this like my dumb friends
also NL: never uses mine dropper near fort, even if waves become one big onslaught (they're essentially like frost keeps without slow, but the "snow" stays effective even on the ground)
NL you still had 140xp for the permanent shredder upgrade! the blue upgrades are permanent and you missed some of the best ones!
watching this man play this game is so painful why do i keep coming back. i want him to win so bad
This was a truly pog run. I won't spoil the outcome for those who didn't watch it on twitch, but let's just say things get INTERESTING
Thx for not spoiling
Length of the video is a doubter
NL when you take sorcery you gotta upgrade your mana banks reserve so each one you put down adds to max mana best way to solve any mana problems and a early particle cannon is way better than an obelisk with Morters
NL need to realize mostly upgraded ballista is one of the best towers, upgrade cards are just better than new towers, every additional tower dilute deck pool making upgrade harder.
Got my first win with some cranked up ballistas, I have seen the light.
@@garrettlison4992 my first win was with 150 ballistas and like 60 mana banks
@@coleslaw02507 sheesh!
Two obelisks haven't fired yet
"Mana is looking ok"
I was a believer during this and I when he got that map I actually felt a little attacked personally.
that map was the best thing that happened to him.. he didn’t have to use his brain just spam towers with upgrades
Here's some tips for u :3, Obelisks are great for damaging high HP enemies but SUCKS at clean up, try to use 2 frost keeps on areas where your main dmg dealers are to eliminate RNG based slow they do, Use lookout with Obelisks to maximize it's dmg outputs, Radars are great for slow, high HP based enemies, place Tesla's around the map to thin out huge crowds, Try to spam mana banks when your confident with your defense, Shredders are great for clean up but SUCKS at damaging high HP enemies and finally spam encampments near the tower to eliminate any pesky leakage.
Here are priorities for the tower:
Obelisk - Most Armor, Progress, Most HP
Shredder - Not needed
Radar - Most HP, Slowest, Most HP/Armor
Particle cannon - Most Shield, progress, Most HP
Sprayers - Not really needed
literally died the same way as last time he got to Big Brain Oogie, I thought for sure when he started building towers further down the line he wouldn't make the same mistake. But in typical egg fashion he recognized a need, gave it the smallest possible attention and then forgot it existed.
my biggest tip for you is that you take too many different types of towers, which dilutes the card pool so all your towers end up pretty mediocre
I mentionned 6 towers by wave 12 during the stream and egg-sempai noticed me
It's SAP wide scaling vs. tall scaling all over again
4 different tower types is most pog
@@La_sagne i would argue thats still too many for me its like max 3
@@ArcShanked I read your comment at 10:20 into the video..!
When NL placed a shredder directly behind the portal instead of a flame thrower is the first time I've audibly reacted to his videos, sometimes I just don't understand his brain
Sure, let's place a shredder where it will have the shortest possible path to go down, to do the least extra damage. And bonus: It does bleed damage, so any enemy with armor or shields will receive reduced damage. Genius!
The reason Lisa couldn't solve the puzzle is because she was ignoring one element that ended up being key because she thought it was too simple. Which makes me think of what NL said about upgrading individual towers being too much work, lol.
I beat the game with poison sprayer/flamethrower/shredder clusters plus the DOT application buffs and poison slow.
A single particle cannon and biplane/radar targeting most shield and most health. Then another of each when the path stretches beyond the range of the first.
Also a swarm of ballistae closer to the tower (but not right on it) levelled to 10 and targeting "near death" with one poison sprayer solely for the slowing as one layer of defense against survivors and speedsters.
Closer to the tower around a bend right after the ballistae swarm, two encampments to catch survivors and speedsters with massive burst damage. The encampment just slowly churns out landmines while my clusters melt hordes. By the time anything reaches them there's maybe 15+ mines leveled to do 1k damage for each damage type.
The first 6-10 squares of path from the tower never saw a single enemy after like wave 15 until 43.
Never took banditry, not worth. There's 5 levels of another card that boosts gold drop by one each. Enemies drop 5 gold at the start, plus another 5 from the card I mentioned. Enemies now drop 10 gold each. Plus one more gold for every different tower they are hit by. Plus house bonus.
This happened to me yesterday on level 16. I was so happy to not see a single split until the 15th tile told me to tun into the middle of the others. It definitely moves quick.
All the flamers/posion towers should be put on slowest, so they fire straight down the lane. This would keep everything alight with dots.
I dont think they actually have aoe, im fairly certain they just switch targets rapidly and that only the mortars have true aoe. This includes the frost towers, they actually shoot invisible projectiles one at a time at enemies. Not sure how true all that is but someone that read the game's code was talking about it on diskord
@@andrewcrawford5121 From what I can tell playing the game, poison/flamethrower fire a wide projectile that can hit further than they can fire, hitting everything in the path. I've seen them hit 50+ enemies in a line, then miss ones right next to the target because they fire from uphill directly down.
I think maximum effectiveness for AoE would be on flat terrain, because height CAN make them miss splash hits. Side note, did you know ballistas hit the first target the arrow comes across, and can also hit ones past the target if it dies? Try setting an early ballista to armor only, alot of the time it hits lil goblins instead.
@@christinemorgan5379 word that's A+ intel I appreciate it!! 🙏
@@andrewcrawford5121 btw just so you know, that snow 'effect' that the frost towers put on a track isn't an effect. It's the actual projectile they shoot lol
Particle effects are actually lightweight these days. Number of animated instances of enemy are the problem. ECS is solution.
This map forces Ryan to play properly and its hilarious
Incredibly short map with lots of corners,
"Increase the DoT's!" ....but the line is so short... should focus on getting more damage on those long corners so make the most of the range
At first I wasn't sure about buying this game but now I'm sold on its variables. You also introduced me to Vampire Survivors
"I"m mostly outpaced by 60 year old men" fucking killed me
>mortar has always been good to me
Always picks it, never wins
"You know what I'm talking about"
And nobody knew what he was talking about
I think NLs biggest weakness with this game is positioning. He's absolutely getting better at it, but he falls into the fallacy of +3 spots being where he needs to place his towers. +3 spots are lovely, but when they're in the corner of the map like that Obelisk, it's worse than a spot that has +0 but is in the center of the turning path. And then the second Obelisk, he puts it on the +3, but it's wedged into the far edge of a nice semicircle path. If you put it on the +0 in the middle of the semicircle, it would cover more ground than the +3 in the corner. The AoEs mean nothing if they aren't covering paths. There are many, many OP spots that are +1 and +2, positioning is much more important than hitting that +3
I can't believe this world gen was actually beneficial
A perfect, single file long lane map with shredders, and chat keeps urging NL to take damage over time lol Shredders and radar focus on this map would be crazy
@@Axemninja Magics rebalance lately makes dots too pricy imo, good to hit groups and slow for the poison but the investment in mana banks could just buy shredders and upgrade them or spam towers, shred and planes is cheap and efficient imo. The obelisk is just, bad tho, you're not wrong
And for God sake, shield damage is what you need to focus on late game. The extra armor damage multiplier isn't worth a damn late game
58:17 when he dumped his cash into the obelisk instead of buying mana banks sent me
NL won't see this, but when you have so many mana banks. Keep an eye out for "Savings Accounnt" Upgrade. Adds +10 to each mana bank stroage. This +6% mana total regen is huge
He got it while complaining about mana issues and didn't take it despite the fact that it would have almost doubled his regen and storage
I cant believe how well that went considering how cursed it was.
more rogue tower! love these videos so far
Maybe not use the chokepoint +3 on mortars?
so at 34:10 NL beats level 31 and progresses to 32, but immediately after he managed to clear the few enemies that made it through on round 32 and because there were no enemies left on the map it progressed him to 33. This could be a cool bug to have fun with.
edit: I think it might have doubled the mobs too though so maybe its just death
That ending was like when Geoff Castellucci hit the E1 in oogie boogie's song
The soundtrack in this game goes way harder than it needs to but I do enjoy it.
“Hey I got you something”. “Something new or is it the lisa Simpson metaphor again?” “It’s the Lisa Simpson metaphor again”
I love getting this type of map. I can get a bit frantic since there is never a pause
I went ballista only and crushed double path when my record on single was losing to zombie oogie three times. I was stunned.
Pretty cool run, i think the priorities on some towers could've helped (i.e. obelisk near portal not targeting most armour). Almost at that dub though, keep at it!!
I would pay for a DVD commentary style track over some of his most popular video's.
It hurt to see an obelisk in a tesla's spot, which he rolled and didn't grab, especially with a lot of +2's and +3''s around, like the one 2 right and 1 up from the particle cannon for the obelisk.. and a fairly good looking double laned kill zone right by it. I wish I had the guaranteed winning path luck that NL does in this run lol, love actually seeing obelisk in use either way.
Oh no… my meta. ITS BROKEN
dangit need another run.
the obelisk sounds like nails on a chalk board, little tougher than the other tower sounds
Tesla tower is actual pog if combined with frost and slow
I had this same thing but on wave 9, lost on 42nd wave, just not enough damage on the map.
Radars are pog at dealing with bosses in my opinion, usually deletes em before reaching my main defenses
47:34 was waiting for this lol
Yup, had this map gen too except with a ~20 level path. Got to level 44 but big brain ooogie absolutely handed my ass to me because of the length.
in case NL reads youtube comments, get radar, set to 1. most armor 2. least shield 3. slowest... best tower to take out carts, robots, and bosses.
It triggers me most when he is panic upgrading armor damage, when he needs shield damage...
Will Ferrell is only like 6 years older than Pharrell Williams, Will would absolutely rock his jimmies
That's racist.
Part of the problem is your placement, that mortar can reach a huge portion of the map but you placed it in a spot that was ideal for a Tesla coil or Obelisk...
If there’s not a Ralph Wiggum in your friend group, I got news for you.
pain
suffering
at this point idk if he’ll ever make it cause this was the simplest map of all time… 0 side lanes, 2 massive choke points and pretty long road
Toss in like 6 radars focusing on fastest, highest health and highest shield. Even big brain oogie gets melted no problem.
Incredible how a man can talk so much and say nothing at the same time
This is what makes him a great streamer, imagine this guy in a fast paced, focused work environment
buy me sell me
I had this happen to me the first week the game came out, nice to see it's still in the game.
Sometimes, even the center of the protractor is just not enough.
16:35 Uuuhhh, my game? It's pogging?
NL, mana vaults get bonusses from height as well.
Citation needed? I just tried it out, and unless the effect is too small to show up in the early game, there's no height bonus for mana vaults.
The fact that he still hasn't played tower tactics liberation is unbelievable. I guarantee he never touches this game again when he tries it.
Bro, winning in this requires primarily upgrading one or two kinds of tower.
The worst thing about this game, and the reason this run went so well is that you actually get more enemies when paths branch, so there's a huge luck factor around how many times your path splits
IDK if a 50/50 split could be fair without any additional enemies. With multiple lanes, you can essentially time them the way you like, and give your towers and mana some time to recharge between partial waves. If no enemies were spawned at all, having many branches would be too easy. They seem to overestimate that factor a bit, tho, and add too many enemies.
this one had me invested. especially since he took advice from chat.
23:40 he will never push p
“Finally, my dopamine hit”
Always wondered if this can happen
Is there an option to get a 1 portal map like this? I haven't come across a map like this yet, would love to try it
The maps are randomly generated and you just need to bank on the path curving into itself within the first maybe 15 levels, assuming path splits are less likely to occur early.
Sooooo close. Enjoying the runs.
To beat the game just stack teslas with lookout towers
it triggers me seeing him put mortar towers on the tesla coil spot. mortars should be on ground level, they already have range. the damage bonus is basically nothing
Ever since the patch that nerfed the teslas, ive just been using that spot for optimal frost tower coverage myself.
@@andrewcrawford5121 thats not triggering, thougth a bit heretical.
The spot where the boss walks at 59:44 would be nice for some serious late defense, say poison, and one chunk past that (to the bottom left) there's another where a mine dropper would have been huge. Or maybe mine droppers on both. And he could have done that like 3 minutes into the game!
I love your content egg but you gotta buy mana siphons and put your towers at spots where they can hit enemies before and after the bends. Obelisks drain mana and should be saved for later, also radars would have totally saved the speedrun here...
It was definitely wacky and wild in real time though, well played
I WANTED TO BELIEVE
My map didn't break, it just completed a perfect 3X3 Box.
No, I did not Win.
Almost Upgrades the whole tree... has not unlocked any of the passive tower Upgrades 😅
Nooooooooooo YOU WERE THE CHOSEN RUN
Every time NL skips mortar blast radius upgrades I become more like the joker
When he takes good spots for short range towers and puts long range tower instead...is he trolling?
This is not me hating I was just wondering if upgrading towers is just not worth it? I never see him upraging basic tower stats
I think chat told him once weeks ago that upgrading isn’t worth it until late game, and by the time he gets to late game, he’s too focused on putting the wrong towers in the wrong places to remember to upgrade
Radars are insane for melting bosses
we love an Alanis stan
vampires survivors and rogue tower on one day? wowie
Can’t stop laughing at this title
Literally the best map you could ask for. Why are you complaining
Everytime NL places a spray weapon down I die a little inside. Is this normal?
Hey NL Did you see the mod that let's you speed the game up? Nice quality of life change 👍
You must be new. NL never mods any games. Isaac, a game he has played for 10 years, was the only game he's ever modded and even then it was just a mod that displays information of an item when near it.
watching this on 1.5 speed is JUICED
When will NL learn not to put all his eggs in one basket.
I had to pull up the clip from the simpsons to get the gag, I'd admit
Oh no, our mana stores, IT'S BROKEN
Is Rogue Tower the new Inscryption for NL?
why does he move the camera so damn much lol hes gonna make me sick