Also in the Eren Armin conversation the "80% of humanity dies" is dropped at the start and Armin just kinda moves past it in the manga. The anime rightly puts it at the end of the conversation, Armin's reaction is *very* in character and it leads into the "I'll see you in hell" part which was nice.
@@mooncrow2447 i think its bad writing here , because if Eren had the control there he didn't need to kill his mom, he culd move her away without killing his mom
@@mihairazvan5540 its a bootstrap paradox. if he didn't kill his mom, he wouldnt have hated Titans enough to do what he did. he wouldnt have been as connected. The titan HAD to kill his mom.
@@hoofhearted4 Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling
@@mihairazvan5540 She had a house on her back. In the time it took for them to return to the Jeagar house, 5+ years, she would have starved or bled out.
I think what Eren means is that even if he changes things, the result is always the same. So at one point he probably did see what would happen if he saved/didn’t kill his mother, did this or that but it never changed anything. So he’s locked in this loop of experimentation, changing variable after variable but with the end result always being the same, his way of rationalizing whats happened is by contradicting himself. He had “no control” but also “did it for them” his story is one of helplessness and isolation while simultaneously wielding the most immense power in existence. A tragedy really. One might even sit in an opera house with the chosen one and call it “Ironic”
My interpretation was that even if he did change things, at the end, he would never be able to sacrifice his people and let the enemy take away their freedom cause, after all, Eren is a slave to freedom
Also something that was missed a lot in most reaction is that Eren was early on aware of the idea that with human nature people will be in conflict. In the end he simply just wanted to remove the Titans because its existence as a source of conflict is more personal to him. Just imagine how our conflicts became different with the advent of nuclear weapons. We know for a fact that if something goes wrong and a full on nuclear war happens that it would pretty much end our civilization. Titans is their version of nuclear weapon (i.e. had Eren just wanted to end things, it would be an easy 100% humanity eradication) and yeah they seem to also reached a nuclear war but that still seamed to allow humanity to continue but again that is far from Eren's purview and personal experience.
I read it as Eren being able to change things, as he changed his mother's fate. But choosing not to, because he always wanted the future where the Rumbling happened. He was too single-minded, and even says that himself when he admits that he wanted to see people die and that he's always been stupid. He was blinded by his idea of freedom, and so chose it as THE future that needed to happen, so he couldn't see any other option.
Also we have to acknowledge the fact that Zeke explicitly stated multiple times that many years pass in the Coordinate for each moment that passes. So technically Ymir was probably there for say, "200 billion years" if not more imo. Zeke was only in there for seconds when he told Eren he has been there for 200 yrs. Imagine how long it must have been for Ymir.
Well I think they said instant and infinite meaning that Ymir was there for an impossibly long amount of time eternity stuck to the will of royal blood and all that but really eren was the one making ymir a slave she connected to “god” “all living things” some omnipotent force her life was about keeping it connected and erens was about trying to change it “the end” but even connected to that power he couldn’t change anything he just played with time for who knows how long while Ymir was a slave to love for eternity (and to eren because they couldn’t let go) just like Mikasa was a slave to love/eren and she “severed” the connection essentially this all living things connection was for “the sake of being born” or eren at least and ya can’t change yer fate and stuff really messed up when ya think about cause it’s essentially “god” plays with peoples lives for 2000 years because it was touched by some girl who was about to die she dies anyways and then her children eat her to pass it on all for some dude to be born fall in love with some girl and then basically he’s forced to live out the most horrific obscene things in human history just to have the girl he loves cut his head off so ymir and eren let go so his friends can have a little peace just so humanity can go back to real world violence instead of supernatural omnipotent infinite torture of the mind hell on earth violence
The coordinate is more a place outside of time. Combine that with how the Founder sees time, and it's hard to say what amount of time passed for Ymir. For all we know, her own death still feels as if it happened a few days ago for her. This is definetly something we could have used more context on.
Good and Hyper-Bad: They made the Clarification that History-Book-Honesty IS important and the MC's wont just play Pretend-Hero like Eren wanted BUT they left in the post-credit-scene in that annoyed so many people.
I think the anime was keen to elucidate people on the meaning of the manga's ending. The ending hasn't really changed, they just added some clearer context.
That's a gripe I have with people who hated the manga ending but loved the anime ending. They made it seem like the manga ending took a complete left turn, but both endings have virtually the same course of events, just that the anime has improved dialogue, character moments and overall payoff.
I do think they handled Eren’s insanity better, making him feel like he’s both a kid, a scout, and a man about to die driving him insane. Also witnessing 2000 years all at once all the time and him trying to change the future to one without the Rumbling, however the solution to that every time is no more titans, he can’t see past the No more Titans part of any timeline cause he would be dead. So to him this it the best timeline because most of his friends survive and because of their hero status would be able to keep peace until they died. Also the things he couldn’t change in the timelines that would always have a problem is the other shifters, non eldians, and the Ackermans. Those factors could always reverse his plans, also stuff like the smiling titan becoming the new colossal titan would destroy Shiganshina and himself immediately if she transformed trying to save herself. His early death means no founding titan, paradox. Death of Eren’s mother might not of given his father enough motivation/ give Eren enough leverage to manipulate him. While he was able to change the past there were always limitations like him accidentally preventing his own birth or killing himself would cause paradoxes and him making timelines where a lot of his friends die would result in a out come he didn’t want.
For me it’s the 2000 years all at once infinitely trying over and over to change it but he couldn’t and like basically he became a god transcending space and time and drove himself mad trying to change it but it was predetermined by him in his final moments knowing that this is the only one that ends the curse of Ymir and titans so he went back and influenced countless people like the king Fritz to build pradis island and the walls and the Reiss family to never use it his father and Krueger basically creating the concept of the attack titans ability and falcos ability to fly even historia being in the book her mom read all the time Dina/smiling Titan that you mentioned and so much more just so that he could be born and live and free the world of titans in his final moments with a kiss from Mikasa
Yeah the mind set he would be in after watching people living and more importantly die for 2000 years would desensitize the hell out of death of people he doesn’t know. Only ones he knew were his friends, the only ones that tied him down. He did it all for them and it is extremely selfish of him because it definitely wasn’t doing it for the good of humanity.
@@cadenz7719ya but he didn’t do it for them. You’re forgetting that he just felt like doing and cuz he’s a idiot. His words not mine. Sure he’s probably putting himself down but still. Side note: He even mentions that he put them in dangerous without knowing if they’d survive or not. Personally think that’s stupid because he can clearly look into past events that neither he or any Attack titans were involved in. Also another plot hole he says the conflict never ends but he can’t see the future past his death.
I think that the reason Eren could turn into the Colossal Titan once decapitated was the same reason that when Zeke caught his head, he was awakened in the paths with Ymir to become the Final titan: simply just because Eren probably retained his powers just enough while being decapitated to initiate the transformation while the parasite was still attached to his head from his bone torso
That's what I was thinking too. Just enough of the founder's powers to take on another new transformation, though lesser then the first one he took when he initially summoned the Rumbling.
@@Chann223that transformation was weak anyway. He literally needed the ancient titans to defend him and couldn’t do shit on his own, he was better off as a colossal titan
My head canon reason he could transform into a colossal was simply because Ymir temporarily granted him the power necessary to achieve his end goal, circumventing the conventional titan shifter rules. I believe the same phenomenon is what granted him the Berserker form in the final fight of Season 1.
My thought was that he didnt transform into a colossal, he transformed into ymirs founding titan. If you remember ymir titan was about the size of a colossal and had its ribs exposed just as erens titan had its ribs exposed. Also he had his founding titan forms head too. Not really sure, just my head cannon i guess.
I dunno, I think you could always extrapolate what was in these changes from the original manga ending - the anime just spelled it out more clearly. It was always made clear that Eren couldn't change the past. History in Attack on Titan is pre-determined. This was shown back with the scene with Grisha killing the Reiss family. If it wasn't for Eren using his titan powers, it never would have happened. However, Eren would have never had his titan powers to begin with had it not happened. It's all cyclical and unchanging, and the story never introduced the concept of alternate timelines as a tangible thing. Armin thanking Eren for becoming a mass-murderer is definitely clunky wording, but I think his intention is still obvious. Armin is still disgusted by Eren's actions - he's simply acknowledging that Eren sacrificed his conscious, morality, and went through hell both physically and mentally to ensure the safety of his friends. He may not approve of it, but he recognizes that Eren was basically torturing himself for their sakes. So, in his best friend's final moments, he acknowledges his suffering and attempts to give him some comfort. The wording is still super goofy, yeah, but I think the intention is clear and anyone who legitimately thought Armin was saying "Wow, yeah, no, being a mass murderer is cool, good job, Eren" is being dumb.
@@jonathanvod6988 There is certainly some degree of determinism in the story, but I don't think that hampers it any. Sure, the Rumbling was destined to happen, but it also completely lines up with Eren's character. His idea of freedom was an empty slate - a free world outside of the walls for his friends to explore. Instead, he found a complex world of politics, war, and people who hated him. He always wanted to wipe it away, he even says as much to Armin in their final conversation. He mentions that he is a slave to freedom, which can be taken as both him saying he's a slave to destiny and him being a slave to his own desire to create an empty world. However, in the end, he recognizes how selfish, childish, and destructive this desire was, which is why he calls himself an idiot. As for the incidents with Grisha and Dina, I think these both simply showcase how devoted Eren was to accomplishing his goal, so much so that he'd retroactively toss aside his mother's life and his father's conscious for it. Again, this is completely ignoring the destiny angle of it all, but I don't see it as that out of character for Eren in season four - an Eren who has had his idealistic view of the world shattered with hard reality. Things that once disgusted him and events that he once hated are now just stepping stones for him to reach his ultimate goal, and really it just shows how consumed he was with his idea of freedom.
Lol no she's actually the worst example. As the guy above me said, she still hasn't let go of him. Not only that but its heavily implied she never married anyone and stayed virgin till she died
@@newt2120ok she still loved him... But again tell me you don't understand the ending without saying you don't understand it... It's literally the point that's she's still in love with but guess what... She decided to actually go through with it kill him... Like the alternate time line were Ymir let the spear hit the first king... Yeah she still has trauma that last her entire life but she got the closest to breaking the circle by choosing to end him... It's dark it's grim and the point is no body gets happy ending and all that's left is humans with trauma... Aka real life
The AoT manga ending was sad and shit but.. Armin's voice acting brought me to tears. Him acknowledging the rumbling consequences and being appalled by Eren hit hard. Then Armin seeing Eren's head was heart breaking. He knew everything he needed to do, he steeled himself and resolved to finish his duty, and then he got destroyed by what it felt like after.
I do agree with this. Armin's VA was absolutely phenomenal and the cry when seeing Eren's head is absolutely devastating. However... I don't think it elevates the story at all, no matter how good it was. Becuase the story itself was flawed. It should not have happened.
@@Tupadre97it was shit it the greater identity of the whole story. But independently it was great(besides the infuriating “convenient” moves”, off but that’s fiction in general so…)
Good video mate. You really highlight the difference between anime and manga. As anime only I really lacked the perspective as to why the final was supposedly bad. You are correct that reading something off of a page really allows you to focus more on the pure writing. I found the ending very satisfying emotionally, which for me is probably the most important thing either way.
I agree because I couldn't return to real life for three days after watching the finale. It affected me so much emotionally. The more you think about the finale, the worse it gets. Because there are so many plot holes and bad writing. When you finish watching the anime, you don't notice these things. So I can understand both sides who hate the finale and those who love it. The less you think about it, the better it stays in your mind.
The only reason I can think of why Gabi didn't mention the Hallucigenia is because in the Manga it doesn't feel instant to the readers, but in the Anime it's instant and I don't think Gabi truly saw it.
It's not that Ymir allowed Armin to rally the titan shifters that they knew within the Paths, it's that Ymir decided to bring those shifters to them, herself, and was actively participating in giving them a chance to end things. She wanted it all to come to an end, as well, because she heard their conversation and also came to believe what Armin and Zeke did: that there *is* value in the course of life, even if it is filled with pain and suffering, because of the connections between people and the moments of happiness amongst all the darkness out there.
That’s a good point, it makes me think that Armin bagging on himself led him to the paths because Ymir related to it in her situation, and knew Zeke did too. She may have been interested in bringing them together to see how they would resolve it.
And contrary to weeb's point, Eren actually intentionally left a gap that allows Ymir to "passively" assist Armin and the group because the fact that Armin and company retained control of their titan powers was proof that Ymir continues to share the power with them. Weeb also mentioned in his previous video a "plot hole" where Eren still survived and retained access to titan powers beyond the founding titan fighting form, well, Eren still has access to the path and clearly the centipede thing and Ymir remain two different things and one at the same time. If they are not, then if the thing was already in Eren'a head then he should be the new Ymir but that is not the case. Ymir still had control of the Path and Eren still has connection to her until decapitation by Mikasa.
I feel like the questions you feel were answered in the anime was indeed answered. It was answered in the convo with his father when he found out he was the one to eat him. His father tried to change the outcome countless times so that eren didn’t end up being responsible for what he started but couldn’t. Actually mostly everything you said didn’t get answered I felt I understood at the time the manga ended. Idk maybe I’m trippin
I think that the reason Eren could turn into the Colossal Titan once decapitated was because he still had a part of the hallucigenia attached to his head, which is why the tree that his head was buried under turned into a similar tree to the one Ymir found.
I don't care that much about the mechanics of how the founding/attack Titan work in the end, I have my headcanon, but Ymir's actions and inaction at specific moments can be understood through the lens Isayama has used for all of his characters: They are humans trying to make rationa decisions while overwhelmed with negative emotions. Ymir must have been absolutely insane, more than Eren, because she's been in the paths for TWO WHOLE MILLENNIA, always filled with love and rage and pain, so whatever she did, ultimately can be explained by this: an insane woman burdened by emotions trying despertely to be free and seeing two opposing forces which want the exact same thing and her having to choose between the two
Also we have to acknowledge the fact that Zeke explicitly stated multiple times that many years pass in the Coordinate for each moment that passes. So technically Ymir was probably there for say, "200 billion years" if not more imo. Zeke was only in there for seconds when he told Eren he has been there for 200 yrs. Imagine how long it must have been for Ymir.
One of my philosophy professors once said "love an religion are beyond rationality." Many times, trying to find the logic behind something done out of love (or one's idea of love) is futile.
I really believe that your explanation for Ymir's actions is actually (and funilly enough) the most logical reasoning behind it, every other attempt at explaining it just doesn't feel quite as right to me as that. Btw could you tell me what you think it's the logic behind the founding titan and the centipede? I have searched for a lot of theories but haven't felt satisfied with any but I'm curious on your take on it, maybe it'll finally give me an appealing answer 😅
I appreciate you making an update on your opinions about the AOT ending. As an anime only viewer, I didn't quite understand the hate the manga ending got, because to me, because based on what I saw from the anime, the ending had both merits and flaws, but the merits seemed to outweigh the flaws. Hearing the perspectives of manga readers and the changes they saw in the anime ending that fixed some of the mistakes helps me to understand the two different ending and appreciate experiences of the manga readers.
24:00 When Eren transformed into a colossal titan, that wasn’t bcuz of royal blood as he had already lost acces to it. His titan head was simply left in tact and he transformed once again into a body that would fit his enormous head. He was able to do so bcuz Ymir was on his side and she simply build him a titan that would fit his enormous head. The anime info card confirms this. Mikasa had her dream at the same time as the others and Eren counted on her resistance allowing her to remember it sooner so that she actually knows where he is so she can kill him. Remember also that all of these events - Eren's talk with his friends on the boat, airplane repair, Hange's death, the final battle and Eren's death happened in one day so this confirms that Ackerman's don't have complete immunity to memory altering powers but just a high resistance so their deleted memories will always come back soon after. You might say “what about the explanation of Ackerman's immunity” That was never explained in detail, it was just one line from Kenny's grandpa and he implied that Ackermans weren't Subjects of Ymir bcuz Mikasa could still be pulled in paths so it’s not like all of what he said should be taken as face-value. So in summary Eren didn’t manipulate Mikasa’s memory but it just takes time for Ackerman's resistance to revert memory alteration instead of it being a complete immunity. It's also the reason for Mikasa's headaches because she had them whenever Ymir retroactively peaked into her mind. 24:20 In the manga the hallugenia is actually seen evaporating in the background during the panel where everyone gets reverted back to humans (it’s even more noticable in the colored version too) but the anime didn’t really make that clear for some reason. 24:58 The conversation between Zeke and Armin deeply impacted Ymir. She was touched by this conversation, leading her to reconsider her stance. Her actions showcase an internal conflict because, while a part of her wants to destroy the world that caused her suffering, another part might yearn for freedom and the end of her own suffering. By enabling the Shifters to help the Alliance, she’s expressing her own conflicted desires. This all ties to her eventually lifting the curse when she sees Mikasa killing Eren because that conversation made her reflect on her own life and choices. It opened her mind and then, seeing Mikasa make a brave, selfless choice confirmed her new perspective. It's like the last push Ymir needs to decide to break free from her own pain and the control of the past.
@@wiiztec That’s not true because when Ymir deciced to give Eren the power she wasn’t ”free” from the king’s orders as she hadn’t lifted the titan curse and she was still obeying him by creating titans and whatnot. With this we can say that if she was obeying king fritz who is of royal blood she was obeying zeke by extension.
@@lpassione You think ymir was still bound to obey those of royal blood yet she chose to side with eren and disregard zeke and you see no contradiction there??
21:53 It's like the concept of fate being tied to you. If you saw your future it wouldn't be your future, because if it was bad you would actively try to change. To fix that issue you just add a plot point where trying to change your outcome only gets you to the same one, maybe even faster. For example with Jojo part 5. Bruno was susposed to die from Rolling Stones but Mista changed to Bruno dying in a more painful way.
But I think that’s the point Isayama was trying to make. It doesn’t matter what you do, the outcome will be the same. There’s no point in trying to change it and why Eren is stuck in the cycle only for Mikasa to break it through it and determine Eren’s fate for him through love just like Levi did with Erwin. It’s the same story told over and over again mirrored in different characters showing us that all humans are really the same and the cycle continues because we are who we are.
@@aotgoat3267 I personally think it was good writing. The anime ending was better because Eren explained how he couldn’t change anything no matter what. They fleshed out his thoughts and feelings better. There was no hope of any happy ending because in war, all hope is essentially lost and there’s nothing but death and destruction. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
@@christineacheampong8743I think there’s some good symbolic answers to it, but a lot of people don’t realize that eren’s sense of time and history itself is like looking through never ending mirrors. He never changed history because his “changing of history” was actually already history itself. And every sense of free will he had and every decision he made to try to deviate from the rumbling was already accounted for in the future that he saw. Mind bending.
I had a feeling that the anime would have a way more positive reception than the manga. I knew that they might change some stuff, making it better. I don’t think that it is because of the medium, but because the anime watchers and manga readers have different taste. The fact that you say that you never cry during manga shows that. So those two reasons are why the anime was way more well received.
Hey Nick, I've been following your content for quite some time and i have a hot take for AOT's ending. I was just as confused about the ending like you and everyone else so i started searching for different point of views. And in doing so i discovered i missed a lot of important points. Here is one of them: If you want to understand Ymir's reasoning behind her actions you have to understand her past. Her final choice is thanks to Mikasa so Mikasa's past is also important to look through. "The final mystery of Attack on Titan" by invaderzz made a really good dissertation/essay on both characters and it connects a lot of dots with all the ongoing confusion. I recommend you to check it out. Keep making awesome videos Nick. ✨️✨️
Yup! I've been doing the same as you, reading different pov's. And just like you, inadverzz's earlier essay on Eren's personality helped broaden my own perspective. As a result, I thought the anime cleared the ErMin convo up about as well as they could. Of course, it could've been smoother, and there still remains a few mysteries. Nonetheless, I thought it ended the way it needed to. Friends lived long lives, no more titans (for now), and we keep moving.
thank you lmao bc i was thrown off when i seen yo video saying it was a nightmare bc watching some of yo previous videos i thought you would’ve liked it aha glad you came around bc the ending was great
I liked the Manga ending, I always saw it as Eren breaking under the stress of the horrors he's seen and knowing his future self is an irredeemable monster. As for the epilogue, the situation was unsalvageable there were plenty of power players who saw the Eldians as people but still chose to purge Paradis. Lasting 100 years is pretty good considering what happened to real world Japan. Don't Google the firebombing campaign or Nanjing if you want to sleep at night. If you're reading this look up Yakibacki AOT 139. It more or less aligns with how I initially understood the final conversation between Armin and Eren.
The way I viewed Ymir in the ending was as a mirror of Eren. She was back and forth in her decisions because she too was very young when she came across this great power. The only thing she truly had was her love for King Fritz. It doesn't fully fix all the problems with her indecisiveness but I think it helps if you look at Ymir as this young girl who just wanted love.
Weeb there comes a time that anime creator comes to a point they don’t know how to end there story correctly. This happened with Naruto Shippuden where Kishimoto made Madara so strong during the last Arc he did not know what to do and decided to bring out that Black Zetsu and Kaguya nonsense with questionable writing. Either way at the end of the day AOT is still a good anime but not top 5 or greatest anime of all time like many are sayings. However we should be thankful for anime creators for giving us a series to watch and hopefully future anime creators learn from others questionable writing and make series with better stories and endings. 💯
It's because the anime was padded ny great animation, voice acting and ost. The ending is still garbage but served on a silver platter with great presentation and smell
@@daizenmarcuriojust not true at all. When the so called infamous panel of eren crying about mikasa was animated. I didn’t see one anime only scream simp/cuck🫵.they all understood Eren and sympathized with him. This just goes to show manga readers had a head cannon of what erens character was and the story in general.
@@JamesGun-wm2vh if he cried about killing all those people, it would be more understandable but him crying about not being able to get Mikasas pussy is straight up character assassination lmao.
Yeah your so right about the music. Anime soundtracks are some of my all time favorite music. Music has a very strong connection to your memories so strong that when people with Alzheimer’s listen to their favorite music from their past they are able to remember the memories and emotions that they associated with that song that they never would have been able to remember without hearing the music. As time passes memories slowly fade and music connects you with the emotions you felt in that memory. So it brings back what you felt when you watched your animes and the scenes where that song played
He acknowledged that his ending was bad that's why. If minority of people hated the ending wouldn't mean shit to isayama so he wouldn't cry in that case but the majority of the fandom disliked the ending so yes isayama himself acknowledged that the ending was objectively bad
I love the cgi here. Its very different than most cgi. The fights are so intense, the impacts so heavy. Especially when it comes to reiner, his fights are straight brawls. The artstyle is what I liked more of first three seasons.
You perfectly captivated why I read and watch. I feel like both experiences really help you really feel more immersed and connected to the world the Mangaka and studios are trying to build. Would love to see more manga anime comparisons I think it would make a great series
Very much disagree. Yes, they made slight changes that were overall better. Besides those few changes it's very very similar. Ymir craving connection still after the scene where she gives Eren control is a complete contradiction to everything that happened in the story. It was all right there, he freed her from captivity including those thoughts. Eren had the fuck everything face on and Ymir got it too. Then five seconds later she connects to Mikasa and let's her kill Eren because of the exact thing she just renounced? Animations and music do not distract from the best thing in AOT thus far, the god damn story. Extremely captivating. To go and throw all that away after so many years is why you were CORRECT in your original video. Everything that is MAINLY wrong with the ending is still right there plain as day. And no, Falco turning into a bird was not one. Hinted at about three times beforehand. Erens resolve breaking is the most garbage part for me. He had enough to have his mother get eaten before his very eyes, to see the truth and go against the entire WORLD. All of that to cry and say "I was in over my head" Fuck no. The ending should have had Eren win and fight for paradis. They should have continued what they started and begun a new world of Eldians only. King fritz 2.0 Keeping right on track with history repeating itself. Later down the line people disagree and war again. Another titan war, exact same thing that happens and fits with the story. Everyone who survived here would be trying to stop Eren but he'd keep them at Bay as long as possible until he eventually dies and more people inherent titans etc. So much better my God. AOT for some reason got a happier ending when it shouldn't have ever. Eren should have done the rumbling and the end should have been revealed to be a false reality where all the OG paradis island people and other Eldians who survived see the truth, a world of fire and blood. And the decapitated head kiss? That should not have been included.
I love how everyone just decided that eren was abusive towards mikasa when they were never even together and he just told her he hated her to keep her away If all abusive relationships were like this domestic violence wouldn't even exist, wtf
@@JaketheMovieGeekhe just wanted her to stop coddling him and treating him like a child...which she constantly ignores It's just one sided obsession from her side while eren loves her like a sister/mother figure throughout the series till the chapter 137 🤷🏻♂️
You're the first UA-camr I've seen to actually point out real issues with the ending in the anime. As someone that loved the ending, I could not agree more with the things you mentioned near the end of your video.
Woooooooooowwwww. I watched your last video thinking you’d watched the anime ending and was wondering if I was the weird one or in the minority for LOVING the anime ending.
I found it cool how the ending of AOT was similar to loki S2 and how loki is taking the sacrifice of a hero while eren is bearing the weight of a villain.
How did the anime save the ending??? It literally almost the EXACT SAME. Only thing changed was a couple lines of dialogue 😭😭. The animation and music really got a hold of yall huh?
The way I look at Eren turning into a colossal is he used the last remnants of the founders power to make the body. We saw in season 2 that even after he wasn’t in direct contact with Dina, he was able to still control the titans to attack Reiner, so it was probably a similar situation.
Perhaps to answer the question of how Eren turned into a colossal Titan after losing the power of the Flounding Titan, we can refer to Zeke’s view of the meaning of life, ‘to multiply’. It is implied by the post credit scene that Erens head had to have had some portion of the source as there was a colossal tree atop where he was buried. So perhaps the source was trying to multiply all along and was able to achieve an ‘offspring’ into Erens body (in this case his head). If that’s the case, he may have been able to use this to transform into the colossal.
Gabi not speaking about the 'Centipede' makes Rainer's move from a planned action to something that he took initiative on his own to do which feels way more badass imo.
Omgod why do you talk so much if you understand so little? Eren *sacrificed* his mother... Remember that Dina was Grisha's 1st wife and is Zeke's mother. So, seeing/knowing that Grisha has a new wife and child (family) would infuriate anyone, especially someone of royal descent (dina). In order for Eren to get as far as he could, things HAD to play out and unfold in a very specific way. Seeing/knowing this, Eren shares with Dina where Carla (Eren's mom) coordinate is, hence why she locks onto a new unseen target and starts advancing forward towards Eren's house.
There is a 1/2 second frame of the centipede thing dissolving as a result of mikasa canceling the titans ability, it’s very short but it’s there watch it
I think ymir let armin and zeke control the paths because he was touched by the conversation. She never had any value for life and it meant nothing to her but when she saw that their moments with their loved one had value she was touched and so let them see and talk to their loved ones and ask for their help . The issue that i have that i have no answer to is how did eren erased mikasas memories . She is an akreman . And she said to armin did your memories come back too? Technically hers was not a memory but a vision but still she said they come back too!?
that's not guts, it's damage control and extra revenue. his choices were to let the other video be higher in the algorithm because he'd get comments about how he didn't understand anything, OR create a new video and make an entirely separate source of income. When it comes to the most talked about anime at the time, it was smarter to make another video, confess that he was ignorant and make more money. real rat fink shit
I’m anime only and watched your last AOT video, and was kinda confused with your take - glad you made an update video for the anime! Also please link the shirt you’re wearing 🔥
@@Myron90 I definitely understood some of his gripes but as a whole I really enjoyed the ending. I think the pretty pictures and music definitely play a big part to the enjoyment of the story with watching rather than reading.
@@Myron90 it's important to note that there are many manga panels that don't make it into the anime adaptation the same way, which includes several plot holes. It's also important to note that manga readers consume media a lot different than anime watchers since they're waiting a month for a new chapter rather than just a week or being able to binge watch the whole thing Which leads to manga readers constantly rereading older chapters of the manga and discussing with other manga readers between release chapters. This makes plot holes a LOT more noticeable, for almost the entire last year of the publishing of the manga- people were talking about various plot holes and predicting how Isayama was going to fix these in the series finale- and then the ending fixed none of the plot holes and even added more- so there was massive dissapointment. Manga readers also don't have awesome animation or amazing songs to enhance the content- so they're focused a lot more on the story/text/dialogue and notice more inconsistencies.
It´s funny that Bleach TYBW´s actually changed and added much more thing than Snk to fix the last arc, it´s like Tite Kubo is reedimng himself, here is Isayama is like, well, I don´t wanna end on a stick so here, so less polish it a bit.
I think the answer on why Eren send smiling titan to his mom and couldnt change history despite trying over and over is because we misunderstood the Titan power is. Like Eren said, that with that power, there is no past and future, both exist at the same time, but only for the events that he himself knew. Like the only past he knew is that his mother got eaten by a titan, its not necesarilly the smiling titan, any titan would do, but the different part he doesnt know is that at THE SAME time he saw that Bertholt shouldnt have died there and at THE SAME time he saw that Bertholt got eaten by Armin to keep Armin alive. Which is why she lead the smiling titan for Bertholt. His mother would still die, because in his future memories, his mother doesnt exist anymore. Despite being called future event, at the same time its called memories. Which is why no matter what he do, it wont change anything. This is more confusing to explain with my limited english, damn 😂
I think part of it too wasn’t even entirely eren making a conscious decision. He probably felt that regardless of if he saves his mother or not, and if armin is saved or not, the rumbling will happen regardless. And that feeling of the decision not mattering and him doing nothing had ALREADY happened. He has no free will. Eren never changed history, he never made a decision in the entire series that was free will. Everything down to him drinking with the refugees had already happened. The rumbling had already happened from the moment Ymir became the first titan. From the moment eren received the titan. From the moment erens dad ate the founding titan. The entire lifespan of the titan species was decided from the very moment Ymir inherited it. And he very well may have seen the future with armin and decided to let his mom be eaten to secure that future, but the rumbling was always meant to be seen by eren. That’s why his decisions never mattered because the future HAD happened like you imply.
Some people will never understand these complex characters that is clear even when explained in full they still just ignore parts of an argument or misinterpret them completely. Some people study writing and some don't and still sum are just dumb.
You realize that any element of complexity of these characters gets removed from the story in the last arc and they don't even seem human being in the ending, right?
I think emotional availability is why I enjoyed it so much. I wanted maximum feels so I waited for the anime. When reading manga it's sometimes difficult to feel like the characters are living and breathing. And I am not as keen to lend my emotions to it. I knew voice acting animation and music would elevate it and sell it. And I had a hunch that if the ending was rough in the manga then they'd polish it off in the anime. The anime made it so that even side characters had defining personalities and it became difficult to not become attached to them. Voice acting really sold this.
My head cannon regarding some of the more questionable of Ymir's actions, like letting them use their Titan powers or use the Coordinate/Paths to rally a counter attack is that she and Eren kind of struck a "deal" She would get her freedom, but Eren's friends would be the ones with the powers and capability of stopping the Rumbling when it happened. That's why she wouldn't shut them down, she knew that they would eventually defeat Eren, all according to plan
Yeah, pretty much said by Eren when he said they will have freedom to stop him and only way that can be possible is if Ymir still allows them to use their titan powers. So Ymir was not really helping Armin and company but she was also not as actively trying to stop them. Her capturing Armin served both sides: Eren was not blown too early and Armin expanded his access to titan powers thru direct connection with the Path.
I agree completely, just one thing. Armin thinks he's also guilty not because he killed people but because he was the person who showed Eren the book that formed his worldview. And that's the symbolism of the shell he finds in the ocean. It means that the world the book spoke about was in front of them but Eren was so concerned about the future to even notice it.
Also i think the giant centipede is supposed to symbolize the Titan DNA, it weaves itself into the fabric of the people's life. Hence why it will always come back and do its thing. Yeah it was a bit rushed but i also think Ymir not having complete controls of the Coordinate and stuff like that was probably due to Eren freeing her from the curse, we were shown multiple times that Eren was more or less in full control of the Coordinate when he was giving everyone flashbacks.
Actually I am imagining time in AoT like the time in the movie Arrival. Where the main character comes in contact with aliens who perceive time as a circle and not linear like humans do. And as she starts to study and understand the language of the aliens she comes to the same understanding and suddenly can perceive time the same way seeing past, present and future as one. This way AoTs time would not just be deterministic but just perceived diffrently. Like all other characters only perceive a linear time, while Eren does not. This would also mean that he doesn't really go back in time because there is not "back" if its a circle/not linear. Of course that does not mean it is that way. Just a nice thought that helped me understand the story a little better.
I viewed eren not being able to creat a different future was that he couldn't change something to create a paradox. Saving his mother would have led him to not becoming a titan shifter thus he could not have changed the smiling titans action ect ect
I think the whole time situation is mind bending. Eren never had free will. Every single decision he’s ever made like “changing history” or viewing the future and trying to change it was already history to begin with. Everything he did that appeared to be free will to him was actually already set in stone. It’s like looking in a never ending mirror. If I decide today to eat an apple over an orange in their universe, me eating the apple was already what happened. And I think eren not being able to see the future as anything other than the rumbling caused him to believe that whether his mother was eaten or not would change nothing. When in fact the future he was seeing has ALREADY happened and the very feeling he had of feeling like it would change nothing had ALREADY happened. Him existing with the knowledge of time changes nothing because any decision he makes or tries to make has already been predetermined. whether he eats the apple or orange does not matter because that decision has already been pre incorporated in the future he sees.
You don't care about animation in anime? It's literally half of what you and Danny Matta talk about in Otaku's. And in the Weeb Weekly you called Seven deadly sins as the Seven deadly pixels. Which was genius.
From my interpretation the giant centipede is the representation of titan powers. It's the thing that gave them the power. Connected with the titan power but not the founding titan itself. So Eren has the founding titan but can't use it to its maximum ability or whatever. So when he "erases" titan powers after he dies the centipede just fades away. Less than perfect but that what I like to think
Totally agree on the first points. But for the centipede thing just vanishing, well, it survived without a host before Ymit got it. And it was never mentioned that it somehow evolved such that it cannot exist without a host. And if it did vanish, why show a similar tree growing were Eren's head was buried? Answering that just raises questions. It is a different one? Was there something left in Eren's head that just grew back after being buried (just like the immortal worm that scientist discovered that could be chopped up and each section will grow into a separate worm).
I've watched and caught up to Attack on Titan this past week or so from season 3. It was a really good watch, good pacing, a lot of shocking moments and I really enjoyed it. Pieces fell in place and its been years since I watched 1-3, could've helped a lot. The ending was a bit weird and anticlimactic in a way for me with how Eren and Armin talked but I get it. It definitely took you out of it a bit but it did give a pretty good explanation of things. A pretty good closure of just them together again like how it was prior to this whole genocide lol. I thonk a rewatch of the 1-3 seasons shall be scheduled sometime soon!
While I'm not familiar with the manga but thank goodness that the anime departed from the manga. Armin almost thanking Eren for virtually wiping out humanity would've been very odd
Armin never did that in the manga, it was just a bad translation from scanners which led to bad interpretation from fans and fair to say scene was poorly conveyed from Isayama to begin with. he just reframed it and gave it more emphasis, same ideas
I had the same question about what happened to the "giant centipede" Hallucigenia at the end. But upon 2nd viewing, around 1:10:03 they showed that the thing somehow 'died'. The scene was heavily fogged/steamed/smoked up + it showed the watery remnants of the Hallucigenia considering it was probably 98% water - so it was really hard to see it on the 1st viewing, considering all other emotional pieces were going on. This scene was shown with Armin's voice narrating/talking to Mikasa, "He told me that the outcome you bring about through your choices is to erase the Power of the Titans from the world." Now, how exactly did the Hallucigenia die or through what mechanism-is anyone's guess. *Maybe* because it was an aquatic creature that can only survive in arid conditions for a short time, especially without a host...? (...even tho it somehow survived the Colossal Titan explosion?)
@@GutsandBlood231 I do agree that it may have survived in essence, which is what the post credits scene may have been implying, but the 'original' one does seem to have died when the power of the titans was eradicated.
You can see “The giant centipede” dead on the battlefield when Eren is killed. Right when they switch to Armin losing his Titan Powers and seeing Eren’s severed head.
I don't think it was ever supposed to be a happy ending but since we're used to that it was disappointing for so many of us. I personally don't hate the ending but I can understand it. I do think some of the changes do answer some questions (and introduce new ones) all in all I enjoyed the ride AoT took us all on.
The centipede is supposedly life itself, not the founding titan. The only reason Ymir became the founding titan is because that is the power she needed. (Which is why she must craft every titan from scratch). If the little boy at the end falls in the chasm he would be bestowed powers of his own creation.
And Weeb missed this twice (previous and this video). If that the thing and ymir is now just one then as soon as Eren got the centipede thing then he would not have any need for Ymir at all. So when it was removed from Eren he still has access to Titan powers because his connection to Ymir remained and since Ymir was actually the one making the Titan bodies! How Weeb Commander missed that is beyond me. That was not a plothole when the plot was clear. Only problem I would agree with is the glossing over on what happened to the centipede and how the tree grew at Eren's head to be like the first tree when we know that Eren died because the centipede failed to reconnect and Ymir also vanished because she no longer it as well. And if that thing did not even need a host to survive. So yeah, the writer missed that the exposition on that one.
Eren didnt die for "nothing". Erens results: - His actions made his friends become the heroes - His actions made Ymir become free after 2000 years - His actions removed the titan existence and the 13year curse - His actions made Eldians and Marleyians understand each and even help each other - His actions made people stop calling the Eldians Devils or treat them like slaves - His actions caused peace for many years Eren did achieve peace but it was a short-term peace. But the author wanted to tell us that war will always exist, people will start fighting and history will repeat again (even without Titans). That's the nature of humanity and that perfectly applies to our world. Shinzo wo Sasageyo! ❤
Wrong Eren's actions proved Marley right. I doubt that world stopped hating Eldians on the contrary their distrust and hatred doubled. Power of Titans is tricky as entire power system is kept under the covers and hardly anything was explained.
@Boomer_90skid paradis thrived for several centuries to possibily thousands of years based on the anime. the message at the end was humanity never changing and the cycle of war and conflict always returning no matter the era then everything restarts, it has nothing to do with eldian hatred or the rumbling
But he didn’t. That’s the message. The jaegerists prepared for war immediately after erens defeat, against everyone including the marleyans. His friends weren’t even really the heroes, the opposing people they actively killed trying to secure the flying boat were jaegerists and they are considered traitors as they imply when being suprised their boat isn’t shot down. Ymir is simply a pawn in the grand scheme of things and her being free has honestly nothing to do with the future of the world. Erens grave restarts the perpetual cycle, and the little kid with the dog becomes the new founding titan. While the point is about humanity repeating the same cycles infinitely, eren and the entire aot show is PART of the cycle. Eren isn’t excluded. His home island was destroyed in the future BECAUSE of him. Anything eren would have done wouldn’t have changed a thing. Eren IS humanity.
my main thing with the ending is the message so you can never break the human cycle of hate and war just postpone it? I wish it just did not show the ending credits where eldia was wiped out just 300 years later.
people will exaggerate. they'll call good endings bad just because it's not perfect/they don't like it, in order to influence other people to agree with them(subconciously).
Love your video thank you! I don't understand why people haven't talked about this at all but, the centipede IS shown disintegrating away after Eren is killed. My feeling about the reason Eren could turn Colossal without the "founder" is because of Ymir. Eren probably had Ymir turn him into a colossal for the final battle one last time, which I would argue isn't really a stretch considering what we know about Ymir after Eren "frees her". But yes, rewatch the episode and you will see the centipede does in fact die in the anime and it is shown.
I don’t even have an issue with the small plot holes. My problem is there was no point in the end. Imagine if in Naruto, Naruto kills Sasuke at the end and just continues the cycle of hate… Hashirama kills Madara and Naruto kills Sasuke.. and then at the end, the theme is “you can never end the cycle of hate…” THEN WHY DID I WATCH THIS SHOW FOR A DECADE+
I don’t see it as an issue. If you think about what he wanted to protect, it was his friends and people. Cycle of war will never stop and that shows, but he was at least able to give a future to everyone he cared about. It wasn’t to bring world peace like Naruto which is still pretty much impossible to do
You can never fully extinguish hatred from mankind, but it is possible to live unaffected by the cycle of hate. Paradis did this for hundreds of years after the Rumbling. What the ending is showing is that, regardless of anything, conflict will arise and nations will fall - and that's okay. We were never into this story because we were invested in what might happen to a super militarized version of Paradis hundreds of years down the line full of faceless individuals - we were invested in the characters we had grown to love - characters whose children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and beyond were able to live peacefully and without the influence of titans thanks to the events of the story.
I dont think you know how much goes into making a manga. Its extreamly hard and daunting. Im sure if the creator could revise and change it like a "perfect version" of it he would input more chapters and different elements in it.
its the fact that people think AN ENTIRE ending sucks either way because of a FEW lines of dialogue lol. either way its also been so crazy to me people complain about the CULMINATION of an action packed ip when they literally turned a page and looked at a slide show to see it all for the first time... idk to each their own i guess
I remember reading the manga about 4 months ago because I had caught up with the anime and couldn't wait longer, and I liked the ending more than most people did, but I still had a sour taste in my mouth. But I watched it the day it released with some friends, and after finishing my move I finally have time to sit down and listen to your thoughts. And I feel like I'm listening to my own head when you're talking, it's like you take the words out of my mouth. The part that I felt had the biggest impact between Manga and Anime was Armin and Eren's conversation, I hated that Armin was thanking Eren for going through with the rumbling, it was my biggest gripe (plus I named my cat after you Armin, pls show some guts) and, although there was a lot changed about their conversation, I think the biggest part of it was Armin acknowledging that Erren, no matter what his goal was, is a mass murderer, the prime candidate for hell. I don't think Armin really believes he's as bad as Eren, but his humanity comes in to help his friend. Because no matter what Eren has become, Armin knew him for the first 18 years of his life and wants to comfort his friend while he's in the worst shape of his life. Overall, I'm so glad Iseyama used the Anime to fix past mistakes, and I think we've gotten one of the best pieces of fiction in the last century because of it
hey i am an animator in the industry regarding the difference in quality between season 4 part 1 and WIT seasons, use of CG is definitely schedule , tbh we'd rather have more time than money , schedule plays a MASSIVE role in quality for a show but that's all dependent on the production committee , i believe WIT dropped aot because the production committee gave a really bad schedule for season 4 of aot and also because the source material is comparatively a lot tougher to animate than season 1 , for stuff like the rumbling the CGI use would be inevitable even with WIT , i hope people come to realize that even CG is animation , it's probably very demotivating to the CG team , a lot of everyones favourite animes rely heavily on 3D CG it is acting like a backbone to most productions
I feel that your forgetting that Erin does hold some sway over Ymir or else he wouldn’t have been able to convince her to follow him over Zeke. Both Ymir and Erin are able to hear the conversation. They’re privy to everything going on in the paths. Right before the battle begins Erin tells everyone that he will not take away their freedom to battle him. Thus allowing Armin and Co. to converse/rally in the paths. If anything it’s more confusing to me that the dead shifters were able to regain control of their body’s/mind and help in the final battle
As a manga reader you don't know how great it is that the Anime finally ended so I can talk about it without spoiling anything. I have been holding it in for so many years now, just wanting to talk about it, but unable to as I didn't wanna spoil it for those that only watched the Anime. I personally had nothing against the manga ending. It was fine.
I have the opposite experience as an anime only. Always had to be careful of some comment sections or reddit threads but now I can go anywhere without the fear of being spoiled. This is freedom
I think it would be interesting for another series. To explore how the events all converge to the rumbling. Since it seems as if the rumbling always happened but he prefers this way it happened. Like show how if eren allowed other events to happen. What would be the lead up, or show why in a future without the rumbling why it was worse.
You changed your shoes quickly when you saw people's opinions about the finale... In any case, you made a lot of mistakes in your last video, at least most of the "plot holes" that you called there are easily explained. But the anime really simplified some points for understanding, even saying directly to the viewer in the face, "I am a slave to freedom" and "I wanted to do this." Since too many people, after quickly scrolling through the final chapters, did not understand the message of the manga and Eren's motives, taking the really complex and deep writing of the plot for the "laziness" of the author, since he did not explain much directly, leaving the opportunity for readers to think. You seriously don't understand that even if the parasite is disconnected from Eren, it doesn't really affect anything, since Ymir can just built him the body of a Colossal titan? She builds all the titans, she can build him any body, it doesn't matter if he has a parasite or not. All the rules are set by Ymir, and if she wants, she breaks them. She literally has the power of God. She wants Mikasa to kill Eren and creates the necessary conditions for this. She stopped Rumbling after Zeke's death, as she created a new body for Eren. She also allowed Armin and Zeke to awaken shifters of the past in the Paths, although she could stop them. Armin in the episode directly says "Ymir is invincible, we have no chance against her." If Ymir really wanted to destroy the Alliance, they would have evaporated in the same second. Armin also directly says when he wakes up past shifters in the Paths "Ymir wants something from us." She wants Mikasa to kill Eren, which is also said almost directly in the episode! All your other quibbles are also easily explained. You clung to what you didn't understand in the manga and you continue to cling to it, even though all the answers are in front of your nose. And what's terrible is that you confuse animeonly and make them believe that the finale is "full of plot holes", although this is not the case. At least I hope that you are doing this out of ignorance, and not intentionally, since you did not like the ending in the manga for personal reasons.
@@meawiyaothman7872 You can cry about it. Such an ending was planned from the very beginning, which is hinted at even in the first chapter of the manga.
@@paladdalap7913 Reasons to why it’s a terrible ending. 1 How did his friends survive the titans? They lose Sasha to 3 titan shifters and 2 kids but lose no one against 100s of titan shifters? 2. Zeke dying shouldn’t of stopped the rumbling. Ymir’s goal was to destroy the world so why didn’t Ymir just continue the rumbling after zeke died?’ 3. Zeke should of stopped the rumbling earlier because his dad telling him “ please stop Eren” didn’t give him motivation to die so he can stop it but armin showing a ball did? 4. How did mikasa free Ymir?😂 and no it isn’t because she was able to kill her lover and move on no no no she didn’t move on for crap she still had that scarf on and got buried next to Eren. 5.Ymir doesn't have Stockholm’s syndrome, if she did why did she not heal herself when a spear went through her? If she had Stockholm’s syndrome she would of had the will to live for the king. Ymir’s character is terrible. She is in the paths because she is a slave to Fritz but disobeyed him ? 6 Eren ch139 (last 30 mins) “ I’m an idiot” “I don’t know why I did the rumbling” “ I moved forward for mikasas choice” “ I did it to portray u as heroes” 💀💀💀💀 “ I would of killed them all if u didn’t stop me” Pre ch139 “Ill keep moving forward until I destroy my enemies “ “The only way to end the cycle of hatred is to bury it”😂 7.Ain’t no soul answering this question. If Ymir can see the future then why did Ymir wait till mikasa kills Eren who somehow frees her when she can see the future and knows that mikasa will kill Eren? Why did she wait for it to happen when she knows what the result is? She should of been free since she entered paths 8. What was the point of destroying 80%? eldia got destroyed. What did he achieve by doing that? He made the outer world hate eldians more and doomed paradises safety which he promised ( Eren only cared about Eldias safety not cycle of hatred so eldia bombing themselves is irrelevant for him) 9. What was the reason for the rumbling ? It defo wasn’t to make them look like hero’s because Eren said if u didn’t stop me I would of killed them all which is a contradiction. 10. Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling. (Anyone who says Eren view of freedom wasn’t killing everyone u need to rewatch the last episode where he was talking to ramzi the kid 11. In ch130 ( episode where the ships get destroyed in Marley) Eren thinks about his mom getting eaten by the titan and it being his main motivation for the rumbling which makes no sense since Eren should know that he killed his mom because this is when he sent armin to paths and told him everything. 12.The whole Eren at the cabin scene. How did eren interact with mikasas memories? She is an Ackerman he Shouldn't be able to do that. people who are saying this is a different timeline pls provide ur proof. If it is a different timeline why does Eren have titan marks? Why do they also grow bigger the closer Eren gets to death? They become massive when she is holding erens head representing that it was a fake memory. The bigger the titans marks the closer she gets to reality 13. Eren crying like a baby for mikasa is a retcon. When did Eren ever cry like this for mikasa? He alway pushed mikasa away from him. When Eren found out he has a 8 years to live mikasa was in jail with him, did he care about her then? No he didn’t even care about mikasa when he found out he dosnt have long left to live even isayama said mikasa is a mother figure for him so how exactly does him crying like a baby fit his character? 14. Eren said to armin he will show them the memories after he gets killed but shows it to mikasa before he gets killed? 15. How did Eren turn into the collosal titan after zeke died and the worm left him ?😂😂😂 16. There was literally no point in the rumbling, the outside worlds wants to kill then because their just eldian. What makes Eren think destroying 80% of the world then letting armin kill you to look like a hero does? Stop them from hating eldians? No😂 they will hate u more💀 I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY HEAD CANNONS. I WANT YOU TO SHOW PROOF
In the anime, the biggest change was the revelation of Eren's true motivation and goal on why he did all the things he did using the power of the Founding Titan and the Attack Titan, influencing the past to make sure the right timeline's events should happen that leads to The Rumbling... but as the anime revealed, Eren can't change some events that will happen even though he tried many times to alter them... in the end, unlike in the manga Eren's goal was just following the path that was set for him by Ymir, but in the anime Eren's true intention was revealed as "he was just an idiot who wants to level everything", and so repairing the broken contradictory of Eren's character aka "Eren's Character Assassination by Isayama" that most fans of the series were clamoring to change...
It’s amazing what rewriting one conversation does for an ending. I was alright with the original but the way everything felt expanded in the anime was a god send. I’ll die on the hill of saying this was the only way the series could have ended.
He's a typical grifter who just caters to the popular opinion, if his original video didn't get ratio'ed by AoT stans he never would've made this follow-up.
In the Manga, Levi was in a wheelchair reading a newspaper. 📰
In the Anime, Levi was in a wheelchair passing lollipops to little kids. 🍭
Both are lame why you acting like the manga was better
@@ijustbevibin0425 Newspapers are gangsta. Your beliefs make me question your value as a human being.
Anime is more realistic as manga shows they are at a well built city
@@ijustbevibin0425 Bruh, I dont think he was "acting" like anything, he probably just ppoints out weeb didnt
The anime was more wholesome and appeared that levi isn't totally lonely
I just realized that the Yeager Brothers were killed by Ackermans.
The strongest titans were killed by humanity's greatest soldiers
Also in the Eren Armin conversation the "80% of humanity dies" is dropped at the start and Armin just kinda moves past it in the manga. The anime rightly puts it at the end of the conversation, Armin's reaction is *very* in character and it leads into the "I'll see you in hell" part which was nice.
So its Armin fault all along while Eren gave him the colossal titian in first place ..... by killing his mom ....
@@mooncrow2447 i think its bad writing here , because if Eren had the control there he didn't need to kill his mom, he culd move her away without killing his mom
@@mihairazvan5540 its a bootstrap paradox. if he didn't kill his mom, he wouldnt have hated Titans enough to do what he did. he wouldnt have been as connected. The titan HAD to kill his mom.
@@hoofhearted4 Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling
@@mihairazvan5540 She had a house on her back. In the time it took for them to return to the Jeagar house, 5+ years, she would have starved or bled out.
I think what Eren means is that even if he changes things, the result is always the same. So at one point he probably did see what would happen if he saved/didn’t kill his mother, did this or that but it never changed anything. So he’s locked in this loop of experimentation, changing variable after variable but with the end result always being the same, his way of rationalizing whats happened is by contradicting himself. He had “no control” but also “did it for them” his story is one of helplessness and isolation while simultaneously wielding the most immense power in existence. A tragedy really.
One might even sit in an opera house with the chosen one and call it “Ironic”
Ironic indeed.
He could change the fates of millions at the drop of the hat, but he could never stop the hat from dropping.
i think he only effects the past passivly not literally picking and choosing
My interpretation was that even if he did change things, at the end, he would never be able to sacrifice his people and let the enemy take away their freedom cause, after all, Eren is a slave to freedom
Also something that was missed a lot in most reaction is that Eren was early on aware of the idea that with human nature people will be in conflict. In the end he simply just wanted to remove the Titans because its existence as a source of conflict is more personal to him. Just imagine how our conflicts became different with the advent of nuclear weapons. We know for a fact that if something goes wrong and a full on nuclear war happens that it would pretty much end our civilization. Titans is their version of nuclear weapon (i.e. had Eren just wanted to end things, it would be an easy 100% humanity eradication) and yeah they seem to also reached a nuclear war but that still seamed to allow humanity to continue but again that is far from Eren's purview and personal experience.
I read it as Eren being able to change things, as he changed his mother's fate. But choosing not to, because he always wanted the future where the Rumbling happened. He was too single-minded, and even says that himself when he admits that he wanted to see people die and that he's always been stupid. He was blinded by his idea of freedom, and so chose it as THE future that needed to happen, so he couldn't see any other option.
Also we have to acknowledge the fact that Zeke explicitly stated multiple times that many years pass in the Coordinate for each moment that passes. So technically Ymir was probably there for say, "200 billion years" if not more imo. Zeke was only in there for seconds when he told Eren he has been there for 200 yrs. Imagine how long it must have been for Ymir.
Well I think they said instant and infinite meaning that Ymir was there for an impossibly long amount of time eternity stuck to the will of royal blood and all that but really eren was the one making ymir a slave she connected to “god” “all living things” some omnipotent force her life was about keeping it connected and erens was about trying to change it “the end” but even connected to that power he couldn’t change anything he just played with time for who knows how long while Ymir was a slave to love for eternity (and to eren because they couldn’t let go) just like Mikasa was a slave to love/eren and she “severed” the connection essentially this all living things connection was for “the sake of being born” or eren at least and ya can’t change yer fate and stuff really messed up when ya think about cause it’s essentially “god” plays with peoples lives for 2000 years because it was touched by some girl who was about to die she dies anyways and then her children eat her to pass it on all for some dude to be born fall in love with some girl and then basically he’s forced to live out the most horrific obscene things in human history just to have the girl he loves cut his head off so ymir and eren let go so his friends can have a little peace just so humanity can go back to real world violence instead of supernatural omnipotent infinite torture of the mind hell on earth violence
Well she sees the past, present and future simultaneously, so it doesn't really matter
The coordinate is more a place outside of time. Combine that with how the Founder sees time, and it's hard to say what amount of time passed for Ymir. For all we know, her own death still feels as if it happened a few days ago for her. This is definetly something we could have used more context on.
@@Yodah97 Very valid point actually, I can see that and agree we definitely needed more context for that😂
Good and Hyper-Bad: They made the Clarification that History-Book-Honesty IS important and the MC's wont just play Pretend-Hero like Eren wanted BUT they left in the post-credit-scene in that annoyed so many people.
I think the anime was keen to elucidate people on the meaning of the manga's ending. The ending hasn't really changed, they just added some clearer context.
That’s my understanding too; the ending is the virtually the same but with very slight dialogue and pacing changes.
That's a gripe I have with people who hated the manga ending but loved the anime ending. They made it seem like the manga ending took a complete left turn, but both endings have virtually the same course of events, just that the anime has improved dialogue, character moments and overall payoff.
@@lackofcreativity9883this really made me realize how much the little details matter in a story
I do think they handled Eren’s insanity better, making him feel like he’s both a kid, a scout, and a man about to die driving him insane. Also witnessing 2000 years all at once all the time and him trying to change the future to one without the Rumbling, however the solution to that every time is no more titans, he can’t see past the No more Titans part of any timeline cause he would be dead. So to him this it the best timeline because most of his friends survive and because of their hero status would be able to keep peace until they died. Also the things he couldn’t change in the timelines that would always have a problem is the other shifters, non eldians, and the Ackermans. Those factors could always reverse his plans, also stuff like the smiling titan becoming the new colossal titan would destroy Shiganshina and himself immediately if she transformed trying to save herself. His early death means no founding titan, paradox. Death of Eren’s mother might not of given his father enough motivation/ give Eren enough leverage to manipulate him. While he was able to change the past there were always limitations like him accidentally preventing his own birth or killing himself would cause paradoxes and him making timelines where a lot of his friends die would result in a out come he didn’t want.
This theory makes sense. 😮 Good thinking.
For me it’s the 2000 years all at once infinitely trying over and over to change it but he couldn’t and like basically he became a god transcending space and time and drove himself mad trying to change it but it was predetermined by him in his final moments knowing that this is the only one that ends the curse of Ymir and titans so he went back and influenced countless people like the king Fritz to build pradis island and the walls and the Reiss family to never use it his father and Krueger basically creating the concept of the attack titans ability and falcos ability to fly even historia being in the book her mom read all the time Dina/smiling Titan that you mentioned and so much more just so that he could be born and live and free the world of titans in his final moments with a kiss from Mikasa
@@user-ve3zs4nv8hinteresting idea but Ymir really never had a goal until Eren gave her one. But time doesn’t flow forward for her I guess. Idk
Yeah the mind set he would be in after watching people living and more importantly die for 2000 years would desensitize the hell out of death of people he doesn’t know. Only ones he knew were his friends, the only ones that tied him down. He did it all for them and it is extremely selfish of him because it definitely wasn’t doing it for the good of humanity.
@@cadenz7719ya but he didn’t do it for them. You’re forgetting that he just felt like doing and cuz he’s a idiot. His words not mine.
Sure he’s probably putting himself down but still.
Side note: He even mentions that he put them in dangerous without knowing if they’d survive or not.
Personally think that’s stupid because he can clearly look into past events that neither he or any Attack titans were involved in. Also another plot hole he says the conflict never ends but he can’t see the future past his death.
I think that the reason Eren could turn into the Colossal Titan once decapitated was the same reason that when Zeke caught his head, he was awakened in the paths with Ymir to become the Final titan: simply just because Eren probably retained his powers just enough while being decapitated to initiate the transformation while the parasite was still attached to his head from his bone torso
That's what I was thinking too. Just enough of the founder's powers to take on another new transformation, though lesser then the first one he took when he initially summoned the Rumbling.
@@Chann223that transformation was weak anyway. He literally needed the ancient titans to defend him and couldn’t do shit on his own, he was better off as a colossal titan
My head canon reason he could transform into a colossal was simply because Ymir temporarily granted him the power necessary to achieve his end goal, circumventing the conventional titan shifter rules. I believe the same phenomenon is what granted him the Berserker form in the final fight of Season 1.
@@demolimanit was the combination of the two that created the transformation. Weak??? It needed literal miracles to happen to take it down.
My thought was that he didnt transform into a colossal, he transformed into ymirs founding titan. If you remember ymir titan was about the size of a colossal and had its ribs exposed just as erens titan had its ribs exposed. Also he had his founding titan forms head too. Not really sure, just my head cannon i guess.
I dunno, I think you could always extrapolate what was in these changes from the original manga ending - the anime just spelled it out more clearly. It was always made clear that Eren couldn't change the past. History in Attack on Titan is pre-determined. This was shown back with the scene with Grisha killing the Reiss family. If it wasn't for Eren using his titan powers, it never would have happened. However, Eren would have never had his titan powers to begin with had it not happened. It's all cyclical and unchanging, and the story never introduced the concept of alternate timelines as a tangible thing.
Armin thanking Eren for becoming a mass-murderer is definitely clunky wording, but I think his intention is still obvious. Armin is still disgusted by Eren's actions - he's simply acknowledging that Eren sacrificed his conscious, morality, and went through hell both physically and mentally to ensure the safety of his friends. He may not approve of it, but he recognizes that Eren was basically torturing himself for their sakes. So, in his best friend's final moments, he acknowledges his suffering and attempts to give him some comfort. The wording is still super goofy, yeah, but I think the intention is clear and anyone who legitimately thought Armin was saying "Wow, yeah, no, being a mass murderer is cool, good job, Eren" is being dumb.
You know history was changed through Mikasa. After Mikasa killed Eren it gave Ymir the strength to allow Fritz's to be assassinated.
@@AuthorityKaaK No she wished that she did what Mikasa did
There's no context, just an image of ymir allowing king Fritz to be speared.
Determinism makes no sense. That can be used for every story. These characters were written like shit because "determinism" lmao 😂
@@jonathanvod6988 There is certainly some degree of determinism in the story, but I don't think that hampers it any. Sure, the Rumbling was destined to happen, but it also completely lines up with Eren's character. His idea of freedom was an empty slate - a free world outside of the walls for his friends to explore. Instead, he found a complex world of politics, war, and people who hated him. He always wanted to wipe it away, he even says as much to Armin in their final conversation. He mentions that he is a slave to freedom, which can be taken as both him saying he's a slave to destiny and him being a slave to his own desire to create an empty world. However, in the end, he recognizes how selfish, childish, and destructive this desire was, which is why he calls himself an idiot.
As for the incidents with Grisha and Dina, I think these both simply showcase how devoted Eren was to accomplishing his goal, so much so that he'd retroactively toss aside his mother's life and his father's conscious for it. Again, this is completely ignoring the destiny angle of it all, but I don't see it as that out of character for Eren in season four - an Eren who has had his idealistic view of the world shattered with hard reality. Things that once disgusted him and events that he once hated are now just stepping stones for him to reach his ultimate goal, and really it just shows how consumed he was with his idea of freedom.
In two thousand years, Mikasa was the only Attack on Titan character to break out of an abusive relationship.
She still wears erens scarf and visits his grave. She learned nothing
Lol no she's actually the worst example. As the guy above me said, she still hasn't let go of him. Not only that but its heavily implied she never married anyone and stayed virgin till she died
A real Japanese story
@@newt2120ok she still loved him... But again tell me you don't understand the ending without saying you don't understand it... It's literally the point that's she's still in love with but guess what... She decided to actually go through with it kill him... Like the alternate time line were Ymir let the spear hit the first king... Yeah she still has trauma that last her entire life but she got the closest to breaking the circle by choosing to end him... It's dark it's grim and the point is no body gets happy ending and all that's left is humans with trauma... Aka real life
@@newt2120also not trying to disrespect you please actually read it
The AoT manga ending was sad and shit but.. Armin's voice acting brought me to tears. Him acknowledging the rumbling consequences and being appalled by Eren hit hard. Then Armin seeing Eren's head was heart breaking. He knew everything he needed to do, he steeled himself and resolved to finish his duty, and then he got destroyed by what it felt like after.
I do agree with this. Armin's VA was absolutely phenomenal and the cry when seeing Eren's head is absolutely devastating. However... I don't think it elevates the story at all, no matter how good it was. Becuase the story itself was flawed. It should not have happened.
the manga ending wasn't shit it was just mid even though it had good writing and intentions behind it. the anime ending is far superior however.
@@Tupadre97it was shit it the greater identity of the whole story. But independently it was great(besides the infuriating “convenient” moves”, off but that’s fiction in general so…)
Good video mate. You really highlight the difference between anime and manga. As anime only I really lacked the perspective as to why the final was supposedly bad. You are correct that reading something off of a page really allows you to focus more on the pure writing. I found the ending very satisfying emotionally, which for me is probably the most important thing either way.
The ending of the anime was objectively horrible.
I agree because I couldn't return to real life for three days after watching the finale. It affected me so much emotionally.
The more you think about the finale, the worse it gets. Because there are so many plot holes and bad writing. When you finish watching the anime, you don't notice these things. So I can understand both sides who hate the finale and those who love it. The less you think about it, the better it stays in your mind.
The only reason I can think of why Gabi didn't mention the Hallucigenia is because in the Manga it doesn't feel instant to the readers, but in the Anime it's instant and I don't think Gabi truly saw it.
It's not that Ymir allowed Armin to rally the titan shifters that they knew within the Paths, it's that Ymir decided to bring those shifters to them, herself, and was actively participating in giving them a chance to end things. She wanted it all to come to an end, as well, because she heard their conversation and also came to believe what Armin and Zeke did: that there *is* value in the course of life, even if it is filled with pain and suffering, because of the connections between people and the moments of happiness amongst all the darkness out there.
That’s a good point, it makes me think that Armin bagging on himself led him to the paths because Ymir related to it in her situation, and knew Zeke did too. She may have been interested in bringing them together to see how they would resolve it.
And contrary to weeb's point, Eren actually intentionally left a gap that allows Ymir to "passively" assist Armin and the group because the fact that Armin and company retained control of their titan powers was proof that Ymir continues to share the power with them. Weeb also mentioned in his previous video a "plot hole" where Eren still survived and retained access to titan powers beyond the founding titan fighting form, well, Eren still has access to the path and clearly the centipede thing and Ymir remain two different things and one at the same time. If they are not, then if the thing was already in Eren'a head then he should be the new Ymir but that is not the case. Ymir still had control of the Path and Eren still has connection to her until decapitation by Mikasa.
@@angrymeowngi Indeed, I broadly agree with these points.
I feel like the questions you feel were answered in the anime was indeed answered. It was answered in the convo with his father when he found out he was the one to eat him. His father tried to change the outcome countless times so that eren didn’t end up being responsible for what he started but couldn’t. Actually mostly everything you said didn’t get answered I felt I understood at the time the manga ended. Idk maybe I’m trippin
I think that the reason Eren could turn into the Colossal Titan once decapitated was because he still had a part of the hallucigenia attached to his head, which is why the tree that his head was buried under turned into a similar tree to the one Ymir found.
Makes sense
Your opinion has more Twists than AOT itself.
gotta get that clickbait views
I don't care that much about the mechanics of how the founding/attack Titan work in the end, I have my headcanon, but Ymir's actions and inaction at specific moments can be understood through the lens Isayama has used for all of his characters: They are humans trying to make rationa decisions while overwhelmed with negative emotions.
Ymir must have been absolutely insane, more than Eren, because she's been in the paths for TWO WHOLE MILLENNIA, always filled with love and rage and pain, so whatever she did, ultimately can be explained by this: an insane woman burdened by emotions trying despertely to be free and seeing two opposing forces which want the exact same thing and her having to choose between the two
Also we have to acknowledge the fact that Zeke explicitly stated multiple times that many years pass in the Coordinate for each moment that passes. So technically Ymir was probably there for say, "200 billion years" if not more imo. Zeke was only in there for seconds when he told Eren he has been there for 200 yrs. Imagine how long it must have been for Ymir.
One of my philosophy professors once said "love an religion are beyond rationality." Many times, trying to find the logic behind something done out of love (or one's idea of love) is futile.
I really believe that your explanation for Ymir's actions is actually (and funilly enough) the most logical reasoning behind it, every other attempt at explaining it just doesn't feel quite as right to me as that.
Btw could you tell me what you think it's the logic behind the founding titan and the centipede? I have searched for a lot of theories but haven't felt satisfied with any but I'm curious on your take on it, maybe it'll finally give me an appealing answer 😅
@@evans8642 aot fans or fandoms in general needs to gain this wisdom
I appreciate you making an update on your opinions about the AOT ending. As an anime only viewer, I didn't quite understand the hate the manga ending got, because to me, because based on what I saw from the anime, the ending had both merits and flaws, but the merits seemed to outweigh the flaws. Hearing the perspectives of manga readers and the changes they saw in the anime ending that fixed some of the mistakes helps me to understand the two different ending and appreciate experiences of the manga readers.
24:00 When Eren transformed into a colossal titan, that wasn’t bcuz of royal blood as he had already lost acces to it. His titan head was simply left in tact and he transformed once again into a body that would fit his enormous head. He was able to do so bcuz Ymir was on his side and she simply build him a titan that would fit his enormous head. The anime info card confirms this.
Mikasa had her dream at the same time as the others and Eren counted on her resistance allowing her to remember it sooner so that she actually knows where he is so she can kill him. Remember also that all of these events - Eren's talk with his friends on the boat, airplane repair, Hange's death, the final battle and Eren's death happened in one day so this confirms that Ackerman's don't have complete immunity to memory altering powers but just a high resistance so their deleted memories will always come back soon after.
You might say “what about the explanation of Ackerman's immunity” That was never explained in detail, it was just one line from Kenny's grandpa and he implied that Ackermans weren't Subjects of Ymir bcuz Mikasa could still be pulled in paths so it’s not like all of what he said should be taken as face-value.
So in summary Eren didn’t manipulate Mikasa’s memory but it just takes time for Ackerman's resistance to revert memory alteration instead of it being a complete immunity. It's also the reason for Mikasa's headaches because she had them whenever Ymir retroactively peaked into her mind.
24:20 In the manga the hallugenia is actually seen evaporating in the background during the panel where everyone gets reverted back to humans (it’s even more noticable in the colored version too) but the anime didn’t really make that clear for some reason.
24:58 The conversation between Zeke and Armin deeply impacted Ymir. She was touched by this conversation, leading her to reconsider her stance. Her actions showcase an internal conflict because, while a part of her wants to destroy the world that caused her suffering, another part might yearn for freedom and the end of her own suffering. By enabling the Shifters to help the Alliance, she’s expressing her own conflicted desires. This all ties to her eventually lifting the curse when she sees Mikasa killing Eren because that conversation made her reflect on her own life and choices. It opened her mind and then, seeing Mikasa make a brave, selfless choice confirmed her new perspective. It's like the last push Ymir needs to decide to break free from her own pain and the control of the past.
Royal blood meant nothing after Eren made Ymir realize she had her own free will
@@wiiztec That’s not true because when Ymir deciced to give Eren the power she wasn’t ”free” from the king’s orders as she hadn’t lifted the titan curse and she was still obeying him by creating titans and whatnot. With this we can say that if she was obeying king fritz who is of royal blood she was obeying zeke by extension.
@@lpassione You think ymir was still bound to obey those of royal blood yet she chose to side with eren and disregard zeke and you see no contradiction there??
21:53 It's like the concept of fate being tied to you. If you saw your future it wouldn't be your future, because if it was bad you would actively try to change. To fix that issue you just add a plot point where trying to change your outcome only gets you to the same one, maybe even faster.
For example with Jojo part 5. Bruno was susposed to die from Rolling Stones but Mista changed to Bruno dying in a more painful way.
But I think that’s the point Isayama was trying to make. It doesn’t matter what you do, the outcome will be the same. There’s no point in trying to change it and why Eren is stuck in the cycle only for Mikasa to break it through it and determine Eren’s fate for him through love just like Levi did with Erwin. It’s the same story told over and over again mirrored in different characters showing us that all humans are really the same and the cycle continues because we are who we are.
@@christineacheampong8743he has to make the point with good writing
@@aotgoat3267 I personally think it was good writing. The anime ending was better because Eren explained how he couldn’t change anything no matter what. They fleshed out his thoughts and feelings better. There was no hope of any happy ending because in war, all hope is essentially lost and there’s nothing but death and destruction. But everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
@@aotgoat3267 he did.
@@christineacheampong8743I think there’s some good symbolic answers to it, but a lot of people don’t realize that eren’s sense of time and history itself is like looking through never ending mirrors. He never changed history because his “changing of history” was actually already history itself. And every sense of free will he had and every decision he made to try to deviate from the rumbling was already accounted for in the future that he saw. Mind bending.
I had a feeling that the anime would have a way more positive reception than the manga. I knew that they might change some stuff, making it better. I don’t think that it is because of the medium, but because the anime watchers and manga readers have different taste. The fact that you say that you never cry during manga shows that. So those two reasons are why the anime was way more well received.
Isayama has said that the anime is the definite version of AoT
@@LuisSierra42its funny because theyre basically the same
in other words, readers are infinitely better at understanding than watchers
@@kiratwo4u no, they are less patient
@@thomasffrench3639 hence my point
Hey Nick, I've been following your content for quite some time and i have a hot take for AOT's ending. I was just as confused about the ending like you and everyone else so i started searching for different point of views. And in doing so i discovered i missed a lot of important points. Here is one of them: If you want to understand Ymir's reasoning behind her actions you have to understand her past. Her final choice is thanks to Mikasa so Mikasa's past is also important to look through.
"The final mystery of Attack on Titan" by invaderzz made a really good dissertation/essay on both characters and it connects a lot of dots with all the ongoing confusion. I recommend you to check it out. Keep making awesome videos Nick. ✨️✨️
Yup! I've been doing the same as you, reading different pov's. And just like you, inadverzz's earlier essay on Eren's personality helped broaden my own perspective. As a result, I thought the anime cleared the ErMin convo up about as well as they could. Of course, it could've been smoother, and there still remains a few mysteries. Nonetheless, I thought it ended the way it needed to. Friends lived long lives, no more titans (for now), and we keep moving.
thank you lmao bc i was thrown off when i seen yo video saying it was a nightmare bc watching some of yo previous videos i thought you would’ve liked it aha glad you came around bc the ending was great
I liked the Manga ending, I always saw it as Eren breaking under the stress of the horrors he's seen and knowing his future self is an irredeemable monster. As for the epilogue, the situation was unsalvageable there were plenty of power players who saw the Eldians as people but still chose to purge Paradis. Lasting 100 years is pretty good considering what happened to real world Japan. Don't Google the firebombing campaign or Nanjing if you want to sleep at night.
If you're reading this look up Yakibacki AOT 139. It more or less aligns with how I initially understood the final conversation between Armin and Eren.
The way I viewed Ymir in the ending was as a mirror of Eren. She was back and forth in her decisions because she too was very young when she came across this great power. The only thing she truly had was her love for King Fritz. It doesn't fully fix all the problems with her indecisiveness but I think it helps if you look at Ymir as this young girl who just wanted love.
Weeb there comes a time that anime creator comes to a point they don’t know how to end there story correctly. This happened with Naruto Shippuden where Kishimoto made Madara so strong during the last Arc he did not know what to do and decided to bring out that Black Zetsu and Kaguya nonsense with questionable writing. Either way at the end of the day AOT is still a good anime but not top 5 or greatest anime of all time like many are sayings. However we should be thankful for anime creators for giving us a series to watch and hopefully future anime creators learn from others questionable writing and make series with better stories and endings. 💯
It's funny how everyone hated Chapter 139, but somewhat loved the final episode. Lol
Can you stf up omg you don’t need to write ten bazillion comments
It's because the anime was padded ny great animation, voice acting and ost. The ending is still garbage but served on a silver platter with great presentation and smell
@@daizenmarcuriojust not true at all. When the so called infamous panel of eren crying about mikasa was animated. I didn’t see one anime only scream simp/cuck🫵.they all understood Eren and sympathized with him. This just goes to show manga readers had a head cannon of what erens character was and the story in general.
@@JamesGun-wm2vh if he cried about killing all those people, it would be more understandable but him crying about not being able to get Mikasas pussy is straight up character assassination lmao.
I still hated it but the animation helped
Yeah your so right about the music. Anime soundtracks are some of my all time favorite music. Music has a very strong connection to your memories so strong that when people with Alzheimer’s listen to their favorite music from their past they are able to remember the memories and emotions that they associated with that song that they never would have been able to remember without hearing the music. As time passes memories slowly fade and music connects you with the emotions you felt in that memory. So it brings back what you felt when you watched your animes and the scenes where that song played
I didn't get why Isayama cried and apologized for the Attack on Titan ending? It's his story that only HE created.
Japanese Culture is a bitch
You have to apologize even if the weather ruins your neighbor park
Because he knew his ending wsd trash and it wasn't hid original ending. The og ending would've been much better than this
Cause he knows his ending is trash
He acknowledged that his ending was bad that's why. If minority of people hated the ending wouldn't mean shit to isayama so he wouldn't cry in that case but the majority of the fandom disliked the ending so yes isayama himself acknowledged that the ending was objectively bad
@@TATACAW69 most anime fans liked this trash ending
I honestly didn't mind the manga ending!!! The anime did it better but I enjoyed the manga
One thing that AoT taught me is that I will never believe "The manga is better" ever again.
Exactly!!!
But guess what Manga was better!
@@gusisalive Berserk
Wit’s ODM long shots are absolute works of art.
Imagine being a gutless flip flopper.
Word 🧐 I’m getting the same whiplash from the season finale
God forbid a man change his opinion, jesus christ. Weirdo.
I love the cgi here. Its very different than most cgi. The fights are so intense, the impacts so heavy. Especially when it comes to reiner, his fights are straight brawls. The artstyle is what I liked more of first three seasons.
You perfectly captivated why I read and watch. I feel like both experiences really help you really feel more immersed and connected to the world the Mangaka and studios are trying to build. Would love to see more manga anime comparisons I think it would make a great series
Very much disagree. Yes, they made slight changes that were overall better. Besides those few changes it's very very similar. Ymir craving connection still after the scene where she gives Eren control is a complete contradiction to everything that happened in the story. It was all right there, he freed her from captivity including those thoughts. Eren had the fuck everything face on and Ymir got it too. Then five seconds later she connects to Mikasa and let's her kill Eren because of the exact thing she just renounced? Animations and music do not distract from the best thing in AOT thus far, the god damn story. Extremely captivating. To go and throw all that away after so many years is why you were CORRECT in your original video. Everything that is MAINLY wrong with the ending is still right there plain as day. And no, Falco turning into a bird was not one. Hinted at about three times beforehand. Erens resolve breaking is the most garbage part for me. He had enough to have his mother get eaten before his very eyes, to see the truth and go against the entire WORLD. All of that to cry and say "I was in over my head" Fuck no. The ending should have had Eren win and fight for paradis. They should have continued what they started and begun a new world of Eldians only. King fritz 2.0 Keeping right on track with history repeating itself. Later down the line people disagree and war again. Another titan war, exact same thing that happens and fits with the story. Everyone who survived here would be trying to stop Eren but he'd keep them at Bay as long as possible until he eventually dies and more people inherent titans etc. So much better my God. AOT for some reason got a happier ending when it shouldn't have ever. Eren should have done the rumbling and the end should have been revealed to be a false reality where all the OG paradis island people and other Eldians who survived see the truth, a world of fire and blood. And the decapitated head kiss? That should not have been included.
Appreciate the update video!
You weren’t wrong. You’re original video addressed every problem I had with the ending.
He was wrong
Bro made a 30 minute video on the end just to make another vid on the end 😭😭😭
made a 30 min video on an ending he never even watched. True content creator right there dude
I love how everyone just decided that eren was abusive towards mikasa when they were never even together and he just told her he hated her to keep her away
If all abusive relationships were like this domestic violence wouldn't even exist, wtf
We see throughout the show (a lot in season 1) that Eren is a complete jerk to Mikasa
@@JaketheMovieGeekhe just wanted her to stop coddling him and treating him like a child...which she constantly ignores
It's just one sided obsession from her side while eren loves her like a sister/mother figure throughout the series till the chapter 137 🤷🏻♂️
You're the first UA-camr I've seen to actually point out real issues with the ending in the anime. As someone that loved the ending, I could not agree more with the things you mentioned near the end of your video.
Woooooooooowwwww. I watched your last video thinking you’d watched the anime ending and was wondering if I was the weird one or in the minority for LOVING the anime ending.
I found it cool how the ending of AOT was similar to loki S2 and how loki is taking the sacrifice of a hero while eren is bearing the weight of a villain.
How did the anime save the ending??? It literally almost the EXACT SAME. Only thing changed was a couple lines of dialogue 😭😭.
The animation and music really got a hold of yall huh?
Dialogue was trash is well
It was actually good that's why.
@@shubhise no
The way I look at Eren turning into a colossal is he used the last remnants of the founders power to make the body. We saw in season 2 that even after he wasn’t in direct contact with Dina, he was able to still control the titans to attack Reiner, so it was probably a similar situation.
Remember when Eren was a well written Protagonist?
Chapter 139: Imma end this protagonists' career.
"You just didn't understand the story" 🤓🤓🤓
He still is what you mean?? 😂
@@trevonw67ahh... No...?
@@newt2120 how so?
@Noctislolig asking the real questions here cuz I'm confused on what these people really wanted from him 😂
Perhaps to answer the question of how Eren turned into a colossal Titan after losing the power of the Flounding Titan, we can refer to Zeke’s view of the meaning of life, ‘to multiply’. It is implied by the post credit scene that Erens head had to have had some portion of the source as there was a colossal tree atop where he was buried. So perhaps the source was trying to multiply all along and was able to achieve an ‘offspring’ into Erens body (in this case his head). If that’s the case, he may have been able to use this to transform into the colossal.
Gabi not speaking about the 'Centipede' makes Rainer's move from a planned action to something that he took initiative on his own to do which feels way more badass imo.
Omgod why do you talk so much if you understand so little?
Eren *sacrificed* his mother...
Remember that Dina was Grisha's 1st wife and is Zeke's mother.
So, seeing/knowing that Grisha has a new wife and child (family) would infuriate anyone, especially someone of royal descent (dina).
In order for Eren to get as far as he could, things HAD to play out and unfold in a very specific way. Seeing/knowing this, Eren shares with Dina where Carla (Eren's mom) coordinate is, hence why she locks onto a new unseen target and starts advancing forward towards Eren's house.
OMG EARLY GANG HEY NICK 😊
There is a 1/2 second frame of the centipede thing dissolving as a result of mikasa canceling the titans ability, it’s very short but it’s there watch it
I think ymir let armin and zeke control the paths because he was touched by the conversation. She never had any value for life and it meant nothing to her but when she saw that their moments with their loved one had value she was touched and so let them see and talk to their loved ones and ask for their help . The issue that i have that i have no answer to is how did eren erased mikasas memories . She is an akreman . And she said to armin did your memories come back too? Technically hers was not a memory but a vision but still she said they come back too!?
Mikasa Ackerman was not only an Ackerman, but she was also a Subject of Ymir as she was connected via The Paths.
He didn't erase her memories, he just added new ones. It was only established that you can't erase memories and not not add new ones
@@billalzerouali4436 I wonder if that would explain why she in 'cabin' that she felt like she shouldn't be there? 🤔
It's takes a lot of guts to broadcast that you've gone back on your word and I respect you for that 🙏 awesome upload sire
I agree.
that's not guts, it's damage control and extra revenue. his choices were to let the other video be higher in the algorithm because he'd get comments about how he didn't understand anything, OR create a new video and make an entirely separate source of income. When it comes to the most talked about anime at the time, it was smarter to make another video, confess that he was ignorant and make more money. real rat fink shit
I’m anime only and watched your last AOT video, and was kinda confused with your take - glad you made an update video for the anime! Also please link the shirt you’re wearing 🔥
Im anime only and I was also very confused by his last video. I thought the ending was really good.
@@Myron90 I definitely understood some of his gripes but as a whole I really enjoyed the ending. I think the pretty pictures and music definitely play a big part to the enjoyment of the story with watching rather than reading.
Oh dam glad to hear it I thought I was just being stupid.
@@Myron90 it's important to note that there are many manga panels that don't make it into the anime adaptation the same way, which includes several plot holes.
It's also important to note that manga readers consume media a lot different than anime watchers since they're waiting a month for a new chapter rather than just a week or being able to binge watch the whole thing
Which leads to manga readers constantly rereading older chapters of the manga and discussing with other manga readers between release chapters. This makes plot holes a LOT more noticeable, for almost the entire last year of the publishing of the manga- people were talking about various plot holes and predicting how Isayama was going to fix these in the series finale- and then the ending fixed none of the plot holes and even added more- so there was massive dissapointment.
Manga readers also don't have awesome animation or amazing songs to enhance the content- so they're focused a lot more on the story/text/dialogue and notice more inconsistencies.
@@jonathanford7055 well in that case I'm really glad I remained anime only and mostly spoiler free throughout
It´s funny that Bleach TYBW´s actually changed and added much more thing than Snk to fix the last arc, it´s like Tite Kubo is reedimng himself, here is Isayama is like, well, I don´t wanna end on a stick so here, so less polish it a bit.
I think the answer on why Eren send smiling titan to his mom and couldnt change history despite trying over and over is because we misunderstood the Titan power is.
Like Eren said, that with that power, there is no past and future, both exist at the same time, but only for the events that he himself knew.
Like the only past he knew is that his mother got eaten by a titan, its not necesarilly the smiling titan, any titan would do, but the different part he doesnt know is that at THE SAME time he saw that Bertholt shouldnt have died there and at THE SAME time he saw that Bertholt got eaten by Armin to keep Armin alive. Which is why she lead the smiling titan for Bertholt. His mother would still die, because in his future memories, his mother doesnt exist anymore.
Despite being called future event, at the same time its called memories. Which is why no matter what he do, it wont change anything. This is more confusing to explain with my limited english, damn 😂
I think part of it too wasn’t even entirely eren making a conscious decision. He probably felt that regardless of if he saves his mother or not, and if armin is saved or not, the rumbling will happen regardless. And that feeling of the decision not mattering and him doing nothing had ALREADY happened. He has no free will. Eren never changed history, he never made a decision in the entire series that was free will. Everything down to him drinking with the refugees had already happened. The rumbling had already happened from the moment Ymir became the first titan. From the moment eren received the titan. From the moment erens dad ate the founding titan. The entire lifespan of the titan species was decided from the very moment Ymir inherited it. And he very well may have seen the future with armin and decided to let his mom be eaten to secure that future, but the rumbling was always meant to be seen by eren. That’s why his decisions never mattered because the future HAD happened like you imply.
Some people will never understand these complex characters that is clear even when explained in full they still just ignore parts of an argument or misinterpret them completely. Some people study writing and some don't and still sum are just dumb.
You realize that any element of complexity of these characters gets removed from the story in the last arc and they don't even seem human being in the ending, right?
@@randomusername3873 I'd say the opposite but sure keep yapping bro you do you ig
I wonder how long the the Animation took when Levi fought Kenny in their first fight?
6+ Months, they talked about in a few interviews
I think emotional availability is why I enjoyed it so much. I wanted maximum feels so I waited for the anime. When reading manga it's sometimes difficult to feel like the characters are living and breathing. And I am not as keen to lend my emotions to it. I knew voice acting animation and music would elevate it and sell it. And I had a hunch that if the ending was rough in the manga then they'd polish it off in the anime. The anime made it so that even side characters had defining personalities and it became difficult to not become attached to them. Voice acting really sold this.
My head cannon regarding some of the more questionable of Ymir's actions, like letting them use their Titan powers or use the Coordinate/Paths to rally a counter attack is that she and Eren kind of struck a "deal"
She would get her freedom, but Eren's friends would be the ones with the powers and capability of stopping the Rumbling when it happened. That's why she wouldn't shut them down, she knew that they would eventually defeat Eren, all according to plan
Yeah, pretty much said by Eren when he said they will have freedom to stop him and only way that can be possible is if Ymir still allows them to use their titan powers. So Ymir was not really helping Armin and company but she was also not as actively trying to stop them. Her capturing Armin served both sides: Eren was not blown too early and Armin expanded his access to titan powers thru direct connection with the Path.
I agree completely, just one thing. Armin thinks he's also guilty not because he killed people but because he was the person who showed Eren the book that formed his worldview. And that's the symbolism of the shell he finds in the ocean. It means that the world the book spoke about was in front of them but Eren was so concerned about the future to even notice it.
Also i think the giant centipede is supposed to symbolize the Titan DNA, it weaves itself into the fabric of the people's life. Hence why it will always come back and do its thing. Yeah it was a bit rushed but i also think Ymir not having complete controls of the Coordinate and stuff like that was probably due to Eren freeing her from the curse, we were shown multiple times that Eren was more or less in full control of the Coordinate when he was giving everyone flashbacks.
Actually I am imagining time in AoT like the time in the movie Arrival. Where the main character comes in contact with aliens who perceive time as a circle and not linear like humans do. And as she starts to study and understand the language of the aliens she comes to the same understanding and suddenly can perceive time the same way seeing past, present and future as one. This way AoTs time would not just be deterministic but just perceived diffrently. Like all other characters only perceive a linear time, while Eren does not. This would also mean that he doesn't really go back in time because there is not "back" if its a circle/not linear. Of course that does not mean it is that way. Just a nice thought that helped me understand the story a little better.
I viewed eren not being able to creat a different future was that he couldn't change something to create a paradox. Saving his mother would have led him to not becoming a titan shifter thus he could not have changed the smiling titans action ect ect
I think the whole time situation is mind bending. Eren never had free will. Every single decision he’s ever made like “changing history” or viewing the future and trying to change it was already history to begin with. Everything he did that appeared to be free will to him was actually already set in stone. It’s like looking in a never ending mirror. If I decide today to eat an apple over an orange in their universe, me eating the apple was already what happened. And I think eren not being able to see the future as anything other than the rumbling caused him to believe that whether his mother was eaten or not would change nothing. When in fact the future he was seeing has ALREADY happened and the very feeling he had of feeling like it would change nothing had ALREADY happened. Him existing with the knowledge of time changes nothing because any decision he makes or tries to make has already been predetermined. whether he eats the apple or orange does not matter because that decision has already been pre incorporated in the future he sees.
You don't care about animation in anime? It's literally half of what you and Danny Matta talk about in Otaku's. And in the Weeb Weekly you called Seven deadly sins as the Seven deadly pixels. Which was genius.
From my interpretation the giant centipede is the representation of titan powers. It's the thing that gave them the power. Connected with the titan power but not the founding titan itself. So Eren has the founding titan but can't use it to its maximum ability or whatever. So when he "erases" titan powers after he dies the centipede just fades away. Less than perfect but that what I like to think
Totally agree on the first points. But for the centipede thing just vanishing, well, it survived without a host before Ymit got it. And it was never mentioned that it somehow evolved such that it cannot exist without a host. And if it did vanish, why show a similar tree growing were Eren's head was buried? Answering that just raises questions. It is a different one? Was there something left in Eren's head that just grew back after being buried (just like the immortal worm that scientist discovered that could be chopped up and each section will grow into a separate worm).
I've watched and caught up to Attack on Titan this past week or so from season 3. It was a really good watch, good pacing, a lot of shocking moments and I really enjoyed it. Pieces fell in place and its been years since I watched 1-3, could've helped a lot. The ending was a bit weird and anticlimactic in a way for me with how Eren and Armin talked but I get it. It definitely took you out of it a bit but it did give a pretty good explanation of things. A pretty good closure of just them together again like how it was prior to this whole genocide lol. I thonk a rewatch of the 1-3 seasons shall be scheduled sometime soon!
While I'm not familiar with the manga but thank goodness that the anime departed from the manga. Armin almost thanking Eren for virtually wiping out humanity would've been very odd
Armin never did that in the manga, it was just a bad translation from scanners which led to bad interpretation from fans and fair to say scene was poorly conveyed from Isayama to begin with. he just reframed it and gave it more emphasis, same ideas
Finding out what the centipede is would be an amazing theory video.😊
Man u explain manga and anime subjects so well. Love this channel
I had the same question about what happened to the "giant centipede" Hallucigenia at the end. But upon 2nd viewing, around 1:10:03 they showed that the thing somehow 'died'. The scene was heavily fogged/steamed/smoked up + it showed the watery remnants of the Hallucigenia considering it was probably 98% water - so it was really hard to see it on the 1st viewing, considering all other emotional pieces were going on. This scene was shown with Armin's voice narrating/talking to Mikasa, "He told me that the outcome you bring about through your choices is to erase the Power of the Titans from the world." Now, how exactly did the Hallucigenia die or through what mechanism-is anyone's guess. *Maybe* because it was an aquatic creature that can only survive in arid conditions for a short time, especially without a host...? (...even tho it somehow survived the Colossal Titan explosion?)
That thing was what contained the power of the titans, so my theory is that when Eren ended the power of the titans, he essentially killed it.
@@cesarefildani5023"The thing" is the source of life. It will survive no matter what. So we will see a sequel.
@@GutsandBlood231 I do agree that it may have survived in essence, which is what the post credits scene may have been implying, but the 'original' one does seem to have died when the power of the titans was eradicated.
@@cesarefildani5023 It probably hided in Eren's head due to his scars. He was seeded again in the tree..
@@GutsandBlood231 I would say partially, the main part was shown to be dead.
You can see “The giant centipede” dead on the battlefield when Eren is killed. Right when they switch to Armin losing his Titan Powers and seeing Eren’s severed head.
holy crap you are right. it was too damn foggy and bright for me to notice
I don't think it was ever supposed to be a happy ending but since we're used to that it was disappointing for so many of us. I personally don't hate the ending but I can understand it. I do think some of the changes do answer some questions (and introduce new ones) all in all I enjoyed the ride AoT took us all on.
Exactly 💯
W video thanks for making a second video🙏
The centipede is supposedly life itself, not the founding titan. The only reason Ymir became the founding titan is because that is the power she needed. (Which is why she must craft every titan from scratch). If the little boy at the end falls in the chasm he would be bestowed powers of his own creation.
And Weeb missed this twice (previous and this video). If that the thing and ymir is now just one then as soon as Eren got the centipede thing then he would not have any need for Ymir at all. So when it was removed from Eren he still has access to Titan powers because his connection to Ymir remained and since Ymir was actually the one making the Titan bodies! How Weeb Commander missed that is beyond me. That was not a plothole when the plot was clear. Only problem I would agree with is the glossing over on what happened to the centipede and how the tree grew at Eren's head to be like the first tree when we know that Eren died because the centipede failed to reconnect and Ymir also vanished because she no longer it as well. And if that thing did not even need a host to survive. So yeah, the writer missed that the exposition on that one.
Thank you for this analysis! ❤
Eren didnt die for "nothing".
Erens results:
- His actions made his friends become the heroes
- His actions made Ymir become free after 2000 years
- His actions removed the titan existence and the 13year curse
- His actions made Eldians and Marleyians understand each and even help each other
- His actions made people stop calling the Eldians Devils or treat them like slaves
- His actions caused peace for many years
Eren did achieve peace but it was a short-term peace.
But the author wanted to tell us that war will always exist, people will start fighting and history will repeat again (even without Titans).
That's the nature of humanity and that perfectly applies to our world.
Shinzo wo Sasageyo! ❤
Wrong Eren's actions proved Marley right. I doubt that world stopped hating Eldians on the contrary their distrust and hatred doubled. Power of Titans is tricky as entire power system is kept under the covers and hardly anything was explained.
i wouldn't call 2000 years of paradis thriving "short-term"
@Boomer_90skid paradis thrived for several centuries to possibily thousands of years based on the anime. the message at the end was humanity never changing and the cycle of war and conflict always returning no matter the era then everything restarts, it has nothing to do with eldian hatred or the rumbling
But he didn’t. That’s the message. The jaegerists prepared for war immediately after erens defeat, against everyone including the marleyans. His friends weren’t even really the heroes, the opposing people they actively killed trying to secure the flying boat were jaegerists and they are considered traitors as they imply when being suprised their boat isn’t shot down. Ymir is simply a pawn in the grand scheme of things and her being free has honestly nothing to do with the future of the world. Erens grave restarts the perpetual cycle, and the little kid with the dog becomes the new founding titan. While the point is about humanity repeating the same cycles infinitely, eren and the entire aot show is PART of the cycle. Eren isn’t excluded. His home island was destroyed in the future BECAUSE of him. Anything eren would have done wouldn’t have changed a thing. Eren IS humanity.
my main thing with the ending is the message so you can never break the human cycle of hate and war just postpone it?
I wish it just did not show the ending credits where eldia was wiped out just 300 years later.
Why that just emphasizes the point? They destroyed 80% of the world and it returned to them. The cycle is perpetual.
I think we came to appreciate the ending more over time culminating to when animated just made it more make more sense and palateable
Skip the first 10:00 minutes. Hes just stroking his ego and back handing the show. After he starts getting into any argument
Imagine if Wit Studios did the final episode.
I wanted that
this was pretty good i dont see how they would make it better
What you said about patience is so true I enjoy english dub so I had to wait 2 more months to finally see it tonight and it was worth the wait :D
Awesome another dub fan. I haven’t watched it in dub yet. Is it good?
@@JaketheMovieGeek I personally love the dub
I still believe the manga readers were smoking crack when they said the end for AoT was bad. 😂
It's still bad
@@jonathanvod6988Nope.
comparing it to game of thrones ending was wild 💀
people will exaggerate. they'll call good endings bad just because it's not perfect/they don't like it, in order to influence other people to agree with them(subconciously).
funny ad hominem, ED coper
Love your video thank you! I don't understand why people haven't talked about this at all but, the centipede IS shown disintegrating away after Eren is killed. My feeling about the reason Eren could turn Colossal without the "founder" is because of Ymir. Eren probably had Ymir turn him into a colossal for the final battle one last time, which I would argue isn't really a stretch considering what we know about Ymir after Eren "frees her". But yes, rewatch the episode and you will see the centipede does in fact die in the anime and it is shown.
I don’t even have an issue with the small plot holes. My problem is there was no point in the end. Imagine if in Naruto, Naruto kills Sasuke at the end and just continues the cycle of hate… Hashirama kills Madara and Naruto kills Sasuke.. and then at the end, the theme is “you can never end the cycle of hate…” THEN WHY DID I WATCH THIS SHOW FOR A DECADE+
I don’t see it as an issue. If you think about what he wanted to protect, it was his friends and people. Cycle of war will never stop and that shows, but he was at least able to give a future to everyone he cared about. It wasn’t to bring world peace like Naruto which is still pretty much impossible to do
You can never fully extinguish hatred from mankind, but it is possible to live unaffected by the cycle of hate. Paradis did this for hundreds of years after the Rumbling. What the ending is showing is that, regardless of anything, conflict will arise and nations will fall - and that's okay. We were never into this story because we were invested in what might happen to a super militarized version of Paradis hundreds of years down the line full of faceless individuals - we were invested in the characters we had grown to love - characters whose children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and beyond were able to live peacefully and without the influence of titans thanks to the events of the story.
I dont think you know how much goes into making a manga. Its extreamly hard and daunting. Im sure if the creator could revise and change it like a "perfect version" of it he would input more chapters and different elements in it.
its the fact that people think AN ENTIRE ending sucks either way because of a FEW lines of dialogue lol. either way its also been so crazy to me people complain about the CULMINATION of an action packed ip when they literally turned a page and looked at a slide show to see it all for the first time... idk to each their own i guess
I remember reading the manga about 4 months ago because I had caught up with the anime and couldn't wait longer, and I liked the ending more than most people did, but I still had a sour taste in my mouth. But I watched it the day it released with some friends, and after finishing my move I finally have time to sit down and listen to your thoughts. And I feel like I'm listening to my own head when you're talking, it's like you take the words out of my mouth. The part that I felt had the biggest impact between Manga and Anime was Armin and Eren's conversation, I hated that Armin was thanking Eren for going through with the rumbling, it was my biggest gripe (plus I named my cat after you Armin, pls show some guts) and, although there was a lot changed about their conversation, I think the biggest part of it was Armin acknowledging that Erren, no matter what his goal was, is a mass murderer, the prime candidate for hell. I don't think Armin really believes he's as bad as Eren, but his humanity comes in to help his friend. Because no matter what Eren has become, Armin knew him for the first 18 years of his life and wants to comfort his friend while he's in the worst shape of his life.
Overall, I'm so glad Iseyama used the Anime to fix past mistakes, and I think we've gotten one of the best pieces of fiction in the last century because of it
Flip flopping how predictable
hey i am an animator in the industry regarding the difference in quality between season 4 part 1 and WIT seasons, use of CG is definitely schedule , tbh we'd rather have more time than money , schedule plays a MASSIVE role in quality for a show but that's all dependent on the production committee , i believe WIT dropped aot because the production committee gave a really bad schedule for season 4 of aot and also because the source material is comparatively a lot tougher to animate than season 1 , for stuff like the rumbling the CGI use would be inevitable even with WIT , i hope people come to realize that even CG is animation , it's probably very demotivating to the CG team , a lot of everyones favourite animes rely heavily on 3D CG it is acting like a backbone to most productions
The title of the video
Me: Like hell it did!
Facts. It never saved the ending imo
I feel that your forgetting that Erin does hold some sway over Ymir or else he wouldn’t have been able to convince her to follow him over Zeke. Both Ymir and Erin are able to hear the conversation. They’re privy to everything going on in the paths. Right before the battle begins Erin tells everyone that he will not take away their freedom to battle him. Thus allowing Armin and Co. to converse/rally in the paths. If anything it’s more confusing to me that the dead shifters were able to regain control of their body’s/mind and help in the final battle
As a manga reader you don't know how great it is that the Anime finally ended so I can talk about it without spoiling anything. I have been holding it in for so many years now, just wanting to talk about it, but unable to as I didn't wanna spoil it for those that only watched the Anime.
I personally had nothing against the manga ending. It was fine.
I have the opposite experience as an anime only. Always had to be careful of some comment sections or reddit threads but now I can go anywhere without the fear of being spoiled. This is freedom
You are one of the good ones :') I can't tell you how many times I got spoiled by manga readers...
I think it would be interesting for another series. To explore how the events all converge to the rumbling. Since it seems as if the rumbling always happened but he prefers this way it happened.
Like show how if eren allowed other events to happen. What would be the lead up, or show why in a future without the rumbling why it was worse.
You changed your shoes quickly when you saw people's opinions about the finale...
In any case, you made a lot of mistakes in your last video, at least most of the "plot holes" that you called there are easily explained.
But the anime really simplified some points for understanding, even saying directly to the viewer in the face, "I am a slave to freedom" and "I wanted to do this." Since too many people, after quickly scrolling through the final chapters, did not understand the message of the manga and Eren's motives, taking the really complex and deep writing of the plot for the "laziness" of the author, since he did not explain much directly, leaving the opportunity for readers to think.
You seriously don't understand that even if the parasite is disconnected from Eren, it doesn't really affect anything, since Ymir can just built him the body of a Colossal titan? She builds all the titans, she can build him any body, it doesn't matter if he has a parasite or not.
All the rules are set by Ymir, and if she wants, she breaks them. She literally has the power of God. She wants Mikasa to kill Eren and creates the necessary conditions for this. She stopped Rumbling after Zeke's death, as she created a new body for Eren. She also allowed Armin and Zeke to awaken shifters of the past in the Paths, although she could stop them.
Armin in the episode directly says "Ymir is invincible, we have no chance against her." If Ymir really wanted to destroy the Alliance, they would have evaporated in the same second. Armin also directly says when he wakes up past shifters in the Paths "Ymir wants something from us." She wants Mikasa to kill Eren, which is also said almost directly in the episode!
All your other quibbles are also easily explained. You clung to what you didn't understand in the manga and you continue to cling to it, even though all the answers are in front of your nose.
And what's terrible is that you confuse animeonly and make them believe that the finale is "full of plot holes", although this is not the case. At least I hope that you are doing this out of ignorance, and not intentionally, since you did not like the ending in the manga for personal reasons.
Only Yimr knows plus alot of retcons.
The ending is trash and retconned the whole show
@@meawiyaothman7872 You can cry about it. Such an ending was planned from the very beginning, which is hinted at even in the first chapter of the manga.
@@paladdalap7913it wasn’t planned from the beginning 😂 isayama changed the ending about 4 times donut. Debunk my points if I’m wrong
@@paladdalap7913 Reasons to why it’s a terrible ending.
1 How did his friends survive the titans? They lose Sasha to 3 titan shifters and 2 kids but lose no one against 100s of titan shifters?
2. Zeke dying shouldn’t of stopped the rumbling. Ymir’s goal was to destroy the world so why didn’t Ymir just continue the rumbling after zeke died?’
3. Zeke should of stopped the rumbling earlier because his dad telling him “ please stop Eren” didn’t give him motivation to die so he can stop it but armin showing a ball did?
4. How did mikasa free Ymir?😂 and no it isn’t because she was able to kill her lover and move on no no no she didn’t move on for crap she still had that scarf on and got buried next to Eren.
5.Ymir doesn't have Stockholm’s syndrome, if she did why did she not heal herself when a spear went through her? If she had Stockholm’s syndrome she would of had the will to live for the king. Ymir’s character is terrible. She is in the paths because she is a slave to Fritz but disobeyed him ?
6 Eren ch139 (last 30 mins)
“ I’m an idiot”
“I don’t know why I did the
rumbling”
“ I moved forward for mikasas choice”
“ I did it to portray u as heroes” 💀💀💀💀
“ I would of killed them all if u didn’t stop me”
Pre ch139
“Ill keep moving forward until I destroy my enemies “
“The only way to end the cycle of hatred is to bury it”😂
7.Ain’t no soul answering this question. If Ymir can see the future then why did Ymir wait till mikasa kills Eren who somehow frees her when she can see the future and knows that mikasa will kill Eren? Why did she wait for it to happen when she knows what the result is? She should of been free since she entered paths
8. What was the point of destroying 80%? eldia got destroyed. What did he achieve by doing that? He made the outer world hate eldians more and doomed paradises safety which he promised ( Eren only cared about Eldias safety not cycle of hatred so eldia bombing themselves is irrelevant for him)
9. What was the reason for the rumbling ?
It defo wasn’t to make them look like hero’s because Eren said if u didn’t stop me I would of killed them all which is a contradiction.
10. Erens mom death was pointless. He already said he killed her because it wasn’t bertholdt time yet which means it wasn’t to fuel his hate for titans💀He already had the determination to lead him were he already is. When mikasa’s parents got killed he said “ if anyone tried to take away my freedom I won’t hesitate to take theirs” he also said to his dad that the kidnappers were scum and animals that needed to die. Eren before his moms death wanted to join the survey corps and venture outside the walls. If he found out the world wants to kill him he would of started the rumbling because they tried to take his freedom and we knew what Eren thinks about that. Erens view of freedom was killing everyone outside the walls so he 100% has the determination to do the rumbling. (Anyone who says Eren view of freedom wasn’t killing everyone u need to rewatch the last episode where he was talking to ramzi the kid
11. In ch130 ( episode where the ships get destroyed in Marley) Eren thinks about his mom getting eaten by the titan and it being his main motivation for the rumbling which makes no sense since Eren should know that he killed his mom because this is when he sent armin to paths and told him everything.
12.The whole Eren at the cabin scene. How did eren interact with mikasas memories? She is an Ackerman he Shouldn't be able to do that. people who are saying this is a different timeline pls provide ur proof. If it is a different timeline why does Eren have titan marks? Why do they also grow bigger the closer Eren gets to death? They become massive when she is holding erens head representing that it was a fake memory. The bigger the titans marks the closer she gets to reality
13. Eren crying like a baby for mikasa is a retcon. When did Eren ever cry like this for mikasa? He alway pushed mikasa away from him. When Eren found out he has a 8 years to live mikasa was in jail with him, did he care about her then? No he didn’t even care about mikasa when he found out he dosnt have long left to live even isayama said mikasa is a mother figure for him so how exactly does him crying like a baby fit his character?
14. Eren said to armin he will show them the memories after he gets killed but shows it to mikasa before he gets killed?
15. How did Eren turn into the collosal titan after zeke died and the worm left him ?😂😂😂
16. There was literally no point in the rumbling, the outside worlds wants to kill then because their just eldian. What makes Eren think destroying 80% of the world then letting armin kill you to look like a hero does? Stop them from hating eldians? No😂 they will hate u more💀
I DONT WANT TO HEAR ANY HEAD CANNONS. I WANT YOU TO SHOW PROOF
In the anime, the biggest change was the revelation of Eren's true motivation and goal on why he did all the things he did using the power of the Founding Titan and the Attack Titan, influencing the past to make sure the right timeline's events should happen that leads to The Rumbling... but as the anime revealed, Eren can't change some events that will happen even though he tried many times to alter them... in the end, unlike in the manga Eren's goal was just following the path that was set for him by Ymir, but in the anime Eren's true intention was revealed as "he was just an idiot who wants to level everything", and so repairing the broken contradictory of Eren's character aka "Eren's Character Assassination by Isayama" that most fans of the series were clamoring to change...
It’s amazing what rewriting one conversation does for an ending. I was alright with the original but the way everything felt expanded in the anime was a god send.
I’ll die on the hill of saying this was the only way the series could have ended.
Rna?
whats amazing about it? both endings are the most stupid shit ever written by a human
@@hanyu_dada that’s cool. To each their own.
Almost 200 views in under 5 minutes is crazy, ur that dude Nick!
Gaslighter. I only watched 5 min of your video and it was enough for me from your channel.
He's a typical grifter who just caters to the popular opinion, if his original video didn't get ratio'ed by AoT stans he never would've made this follow-up.