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I dont think it has bad outcomes. How about this, lets check back in 10 months, and see what happens, then we can decide if we excommunicate billie eilish from a religion shes not a part of. Whats the worst case scenario of this vogue photoshoot? We should list our options and make bets
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 In 1 Timothy 2:11-12 it states, Women should learn in silence and all humility. I do not allow them to teach or to have authority over men; they must keep quiet. This passage seems to limit the role of women.
Billie has been saying that no matter what she wears, people will be criticizing her. She was aware at a very young age that people will inevitably put her in a spotlight no matter what she does. She was also aware that some people will inevitably sexualize her. So she wore baggy clothes. She got flak for it anyway. People were just waiting for her to turn 18 to "legally" sexualize her- she didn't need to do the photoshoot to do that. She wore a tank top once and people were drooling over her. Are you really saying that those people who were just waiting for her to turn 18 are right in sexualizing her? You people look at a corset and immediately think, MEN ARE GOING TO LUST FOR THIS. Are you really insinuating that men are that weak? That men are barely in control of their desires? Billie didn't do the shoot to TEMPT, you are making that interpretation yourselves. She was owning the narrative. Women get harrassed no matter what they wear, no matter how they carry themselves, anyway. I think her dressing in a corset is not the disgusting here.
@Diane Right?? I agree that some occasions may require you to dress a certain way, but what exactly is the occasion here? It's a photoshoot. If they saw it as somethings suggestive, that's really on them.
Paul and Morgan, I’m a Christian too and I’m asking you to please, please hear me. I’m truly concerned because there are so many sexual assault victims who carry immense shame due to trauma. Using shaming language such as “playing the victim” (when referring to sexual assault) could potentially re-traumatize and hurt those people further.😢 What a woman is wearing should never be part of the conversation when talking about sexual assault. Whether a woman was covered head to toe or literally wearing nothing, the fault is still 100% on the perpetrator. Perpetuating a culture where men are expected to have a lack of self-control over their own sexual desires is incredibly harmful. What needs to be prioritized is teaching people about consent.
It's interesting that you think women wearing certain clothes causes men to stumble with lustful thoughts. I'm curious what you think about Josh Duggar's recent arrest, considering he comes from a relatively conservative, Christian family. Who or what do you think caused him to stumble?
Nobody ever said that it is *always* a woman’s clothing or whatever that causes a man to stumble. A man has control over his actions. Stumbling is usually used in the context of temptation, not actually acting something out.
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 I agree! Men do have complete control of their actions. Which is why it's concerning that there are some men who still decide to do these things even when they are followers of God. Maybe it can be argued they are not true followers of God, but according to Paul and Morgan, there is still some responsibility on the woman to not cause lustful thoughts, and therefore implying, harmful actions taken upon them.
@@lauraj3333 it falls on both. Some people have struggles in certain areas that are harder not to give into where as to others it is not as hard of a struggle or not struggle at all and vice versa. Like putting a cookie infront of a child and their struggle becomes so intense not to eat it, to where most children will just eat the cookie even though you told them not to touch it. The Spirit of Jezebel is behind rape. Not everyone agrees or even have the same morals. Have you ever heard people talk and say well if anything happens in the moment then it'll happen. They are allowing room for lustful thoughts and acting on them only to realize things are going to far happening to fast and now are doubting should I actually have sex with this person. Maybe I don't and then while things are already in motion to having sex people will change their minds which on more cases leads to rape. So it is on both people. Also in other countries where women litterally cover their whole bodies still rape happens over there and we're over here being like this. People who rape are horrible people whom only God should handle cause I can't. There should be no excuse for rape but don't you dare be arrogant to the situations and spirits behind these types of things because a lot of rape could have been avoided.
Also just wanted to add I don't know what happened about Josh Duggar's arrest will have to look into it. I just didn't want you to think that just because you come from a Christian family doesn't mean you are excused from generational curses or passing on of spirits through your family line. A lot of Christians go about their day not realizing that a lot of their struggles or mindsets have been passed onto them from their parents or have been allowed in their life because of a legal access that had been opened up for the devil to tormemt them. Example watching porn can and will open up doors for the spirit of Jezebel into your life which makes the lustful thoughts more than just overwhelming. Ex-warlock John Ramirez dives deep into topics like this and giving the devil legal reign over you.
@Diane If you read all of this God bless you but a short verson is to read Romans 7:14-25 and then go ahead and read the rest lol causw you'll get your solution. Or ya know just all of Romans, its very good very good. Romans 7:14 NLT "So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am too human, a slave to sin. 15 I don't really understand myself for I want to do what is right, but I don't do it. Instead I do what I hate. 16 But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. 17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it." Alright I'm gonna stop there. So if apostle Paul knew this about himself; then how does he do good and follow and obey Jesus? Romans 8:2 "And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death." Romans 8:12 "Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do. 13 For if you live by its dictates, you will die." Notice the if, you still have a choice after you are set free. Galatians 5:1 (summerized) "make sure you stay free" But a lot of Christians go around not knowing what they need to be set free from. Therefore they have troubles in certain areas in their live because the devil has them bound in that area unknowingly. Jesus calls for Christians to have deliverances so the devil has no foothold in any area of our lives. Then we have no chains and can freely choose to follow God or sadly not. 1 John 3:9 "Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice out of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning because they are children of God." Example of this would be to say you got delivered from spirit of alcohol. You can not control yourself from drinking too much and everytime you drink you blackout but not only that you get violent. Little did you know a generational curse of anger has been in your family bloodline. Because of the alcohol nonstop consumption it has opened up a door for the generational curse of anger to get its foothold in your life. So you didn't only need to be delivered from alcohol but the spirit of anger. Now once you got your deliverance you won't go back to parties with drugs or alcohol since you know that would be a huge temptation and hard for you to say no to. I hope this helps and I pray you recieve clarity and understanding in whatever you don't understand. Also ask Holy Spirit to help you understand His word and His truth on how He writes it whenever you read the bible because Holy Spirit is a much better speaker than I am ❤️
Paul and Morgan are the types of people who think tattoos are okay as long as you only have one or two.. But if you get a complete arm sleeve or face tattoo it is crossing the line.. Their way of thinking is very childish and immature.
No they don’t. Paul certainly hates it, and Morgan became a person who at least regrets it. But removing it is pretty expensive. How lucky they are to be such hypocrites so that they can say they did their own research and THIS is the one topic where you can do what you want instead of taking the Bible word by word 😂😂
They've not been judgemental in any way. Secondly when we see things that aren't quite right, we're supposed to call it out. Paul and Morgan's take on this is on point!
Morgan: What would you say to someone who thought you didn't dress modestly enough? Or that your clothes may cause someone to stumble? Your instagram is filled with photos of you wearing pants, sleeveless tops and tighter fitting clothes - many, many Christians think this is immodest. Well, maybe how you would respond to them is exactly how Billie would respond to your opinions in this video.
@Tha Night No. Because of the fall we are filled with lust, pride, envy, etc. So don’t compare the way things are to the way they were before the fall. Modesty is important because we are sinful.
Right? My aunt's family is very conservative. They would consider the clothes Morgan wears: shorts, ripped jeans, and tanktops to be very immodest. It's kind of subjective.
I appreciate you pointing this out. It points out how arbitrary “modesty” is. At the end of the day, every woman gets too choose what makes her comfortable and it’s not for us to comment on.
There is a difference between complaining about every little thing, making up genders, ignoring science, completely ignoring logic and reality, etc. And addressing things you disagree with because that literally what you do for part of your living.
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 nah conservative flip out just when a boy wearing a dress. Ignoring science you follow a book, that can only be proven by faith. A book that been mistranslated hundreds of time. You complain that people don’t want to live in the 1800s anymore. Literally want respect but not giving any in return.
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 Y’all really act like God sometime. People are trying to share the point of view and their experience but noo you don’t want to discuss, you just want to be followed. Difference is the best part of human. Human are individuals. Y’all just want us to be the same. “Complaining” about the injustice, discrimination and dehumanization of some community. Open your eyes
Can people just stop talking about Billie’s body? She gets shamed for having normal body, shamed for wearing baggy clothes, shamed for finally being comfortable in her skin. Women literally can’t win...
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 How can you shame someone without talking about it?? What other forms of shaming are there? Like if she wasn't publicly stoned she wasn't shamed?? Also, if the other side was doing the criticizing you all would be going off about cAnCeL cUlTuRe.
It’s just a bit strange to me to be a follower of Christ, yet judge celebrities so harshly. What if Billie Eilish stumbled upon this video? I just feel like this would deter her from Christ even more so to hear so much judgement from believers.
Her statements were literally responding to people like them. People criticized her for not dressing feminine enough, and she knew people would criticize her for the way she dressed for this photo shoot. Our society is obsessed with telling women how should dress. These ppl are just not self aware enough to realize what she was trying to say about people like them.
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 well said, they didn't insult, cririze or condemn her, they just openly said they disagree. I'm sick of people saying "Christians should be like this" you think Christ will tell her "you're right?". He will openly tell that her thinking is wrong in so many ways so please
@@priscakamuleta2451 I know hahaha the article was literally "I don't care what you think about what I wear" cue Paul and Morgan's "well, here's what we think..."
There’s an interesting parallel between wearing masks and dressing modestly… you can take Paul’s comment: “if you love your brothers in Christ, if you love your guy friends and you don’t want to create this atmosphere of them being tempted to lust after you when they’re around you, I would say, yeah, do us all a favour and dress more decently” and apply the same logic to masks: “if you love your brothers in Christ, if you love your friends and you don’t want to create this atmosphere of them possibly getting sick when they’re around you, I would say, yeah, do us all a favour and wear a mask” The only difference is one of these has scientifically proven negative consequences and the other doesn’t 🤷♀️
@@coss1 and having faith that someone isn’t happy is a good thing? Maybe try taking Billie at her word and having FAITH that she is happy with her accomplishments, life, and standing in the industry is more Christian.
Billie: does a photoshoot Paul and Morgan: *and I took that personally!* P.s.Jesus said if a man is tempted by a woman then he should gouge his eyes out because it's not the woman's fault. So if you don't gouge your eyes out then you're a false Christian. #GougeOutYourEyesForJesus
If your gonna quote scripture do it properly please. Add context. But I don’t think you really care you just want to spite these people. Friend, please read the word once you were a baby now your grown up, soon you’ll grow more and then eventually death, please please please follow God and read his word not what you think is right but what God says is right. God bless, I’m not here to argue and have conflict I hope the best for you
@@peaceuponyou4433 what I said stands. A man asked Jesus if he sees a woman who tempted him what should he do. Jesus said avert your eyes and if you can't do that then gouge them out. So maybe they and many extremist Christians should stop putting all the blame on women and saying it's on them to control men. According to Jesus it's on the men to control themselves. Gouge your eyes out for Jesus still stands.
@@DiscerningSpirits no duh it's a parable. But if people want to keep ignoring the fact that Jesus said its not on the women to control the men, and instead say that it's a woman's fault if a man falters or its a woman's job to keep men in check then let's get literal baby. Gouge out your eyes for Jesus!
@@kenny995 Jesus was referring to the seriousness of turning from sin, he wasn't relinquishing women (and men) of the duty to not be a stumbling block for others. I see you are set in your ways, i hope you receive a regenerated heart.
“No excuse for a man to act in his bad thoughts of women” continues to make excuses. This whole video was just them saying men have no excuse to treat women wrong, but if they dress provocative then do you blame the man for doing something? They’re talking about how body positivity is super complicated, but they’re the ones making it complicated. The point of body positivity is that people have inherent worth period. If they are heavy they still have worth if they are skinny they have worth. Body positivity means others shouldn’t treat you better or worse based on how you look, or dress. To put this in a Christian perspective. We are all made in the image of god, which means we all have the same amount of inherent worth period. Regardless of ANYTHING.
So....video on the Duggar’s soon then? Because clearly he needs to be talked about and brought to more peoples attention than Billie Eilish wearing a corset on vogue and telling people not to assault women.
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 not saying they can’t. Just saying the Duggar issue should take priority over a 25 minute video criticizing a young adult for making her own personal choices about fashion. Clearly their families modesty rules didn’t work for them. If they’re a religious commentary channel, why not discuss views on all sides not just celebrities who are publicly not religious?
You should talk about josh dugger and what’s happening and what they believe in because it’s a cult.. like being abused is not okay but most of that setting they think so, glad some of the Duggar are out of it
I don't think they'll ever make a video speaking negatively about any conservative. I think it's particularly interesting that they made a video about how women cause men to stumble in light of the Josh Duggar news being the biggest story in Christian news right now. It seems like powerful Christian men are doing quite a bit of stumbling on their own. Or maybe those poor children just caused Duggar to stumble?
@@judewillis311 yeah, it's clear that their true religion is American Conservatism. It's a shame they'd rather speak out against a pretty modest photo shoot than an actual pedophile but hey not surprising.
I feel like any Christian who judges individuals and justifies it with “God’s teachings” is extremely disrespectful and is using God’s name in vain. Also, the audacity to blame women OR men for the thoughts and actions of other people based on how they dress is repulsive. Christian people like you two are the reason why Christianity is on the decline in newer generations, they’re tired of people making them feel like they should be worried about their own thoughts. I also truly believe that someone can be both unapologetic about how others perceive who they are AND be caring and kind to others. There’s no reason for people to judge others in the first place, that’s only up to god right? I could go on and on about the sad things I’ve heard in this video, but I digress.
@@PaulandMorgan I’m currently trying to figure out my faith, I still identify as a Christian and practice in a way that I have interpreted that omits chastisement and has a healthy, positive outlook but I was put off to many organized churches due to conservative Christian fundamentalist views that I witnessed and felt were more personal narrative and judgement than God loving values.
I think you guys don't understand why dress positivity has become such a big deal because either extreme of less clothing or conservative clothing deserves the same level of respect. Either should be ok and not stigmatized. Just like I shouldn't stigmatized the Amish for dressing in traditional clothing. An example; I was at the zoo in shorts with my bf. I am heavily tattooed. I got some looks from the older Amish but I ran into a group of Amish girls my age and they treated me no different. That's what we want the freedom to choose either covering but the respect with both as well. I want to wear whatever with no judgment or fear.
I am pretty sure the „do whatever you want“ phrase is directed at ones body. Here especially a woman’s body. As a woman I can do whatever I want with my body and if I want to show more skin or less skin it’s up to me. And it shouldn‘t matter to anyone else. Your body your choice. It‘s as easy as that.
Your body is not your own, the lord created that body to glorify for him, everything we do on this earth we do it for Jesus not ourselves and that’s what a lot of people don’t understand
@@melissacalderon1515 yeah you‘re right I really do not understand that. Sounds like an absolutely miserable life to me. And isn‘t it you soul that god is interested in? Isn‘t your body just a vessel?
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 well what a rather s*th comparison. But for the sake of it; Of course I would try to save someone’s life, given the chance. But if they decided to jump, yep then that’s there decision. Even though taking your own life has nothing to do with your body and how you present it.
Interesting how at the beginning of this video Morgan points out that 16 years old is still a kid age, but in the video about Ma’khia Bryant they called her an adult woman. That’s also the video where they encouraged viewers to do proper research before establishing and opinion. Looks like Paul and Morgan need learn to do proper research before judging
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 Right? I saw the video. Had the cop literally waited another second or two that other girl would have been stabbed in the chest or neck.
Y’all spend so much time and energy judging others. These “Christian perspective” videos are excuses to isolate others from faith and perpetuate the idea that Christianity is inaccessible and cold. It’s just not a good look. Your legacy shouldn’t be “those judgy Christians on UA-cam”
Yes Jacqueline! This is so disgusting, I respect their religion and beliefs because everyone deserves that but to spend all this time (literally, I was scrolling through their videos and they must spend hundreds and hundreds of hours on these things) talking about things that don’t really need this much attention, and that they could be spending their time doing way more important and beneficial things. Not only do they disrespect, bad-mouth, and shame people, they are also hypocrites because they say “be respectful in the comments please” when they are the ones being astronomically more disrespectful. 😒🤦♀️ And yes, the “Cristian perspective” phrase is just an excuse to be able to do this. Also, I feel like they think that they represent the entire religion that they are a part of, which is definitely not true. I am not Christian and they claim that they want to invite people into Christianity but I feel like they are doing the exact opposite. They are “those judgy Christians” like you said.
@asonoftheskypainter no you can happily have your own opinion it’s when you force it onto others and tell others their opinions are shameful, like these two do where it becomes offensive
@@imhere304 Yeah there's no way. They can't criticize a fellow fundie, but they also can't defend him because that would get the cancelled. Ignoring the story is the only viable option for them.
@@inni3642 pointing out someone’s stupidity isn’t exactly being “triggered”. They’re on a platform influencing a lot of people so they should maybe know what they’re talking about before opening their mouths.
I think the point is that everyone should be treated with respect no matter what they wear, how they look, etc. Whether you lust after them or not should not dictate the human respect you should give them. Especially as a Christian who was taught to love thy neighbor.
Heads up everyone, Paul and Morgan delete comments that they don’t want you to see. Not because they’re full of naughty words or nonsense like that but because they point out their hypocrisy and cruelty labeling others as demonic and blaming women for Paul’s thirstiness. Paul- “I didn’t dwell on the photos” YES YOU DID LIAR 😂
Yeah I mean I love their show but I don't think Morgan realizes the biblical boundaries Paul crosses so often- Maybe she's just used to it??? Because if you have went and chose to look at that photo for more than a split second, whatever excuse you have for it, you've now dwelled on that photo. It would have made more sense if Morgan talked about the photo and explained what it was to Paul but I think it was completely hypocritical and wrong that he went and checked it out himself...
@@inni3642 Sorry Inni, you must be a bit naive to think my first comment on this video (that contained no bad words but was extremely scathing) was not removed before I posted this one. You should put two and two together that of course they would leave this comment to 'prove' to the innocent thralls that follow their horrible takes that they don't remove comments. Manipulative lot them Christians 🤷♂️
@@samuelsprings7245 yeah no, wrong. He didn't HAVE to look at it. He doesn't need to look at an under dressed girl for any reason. He could have had his wife look at it.
As a Christian, here’s my problem with you guys: why create a UA-cam channel for the sole purpose of talking about Non-Christians and how they don’t act Christian? Billie isn’t a Christian, so she’s not going to act like one. It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t care about people.
I did like the atmosphere of this video, it felt much more open to conversation than most. Growing up as a missionary kid (and choosing to follow Christ into adulthood and marriage), I felt very discouraged by modesty. Although average (if not a bit on the light side) for my height, I am curvy and the idea that somehow I was *more* of an issue to those around me was incredibly hurtful. I was told as a 13 year old (from a non-family member) that if I wasn't modest enough I was going to cause my own dad to "stumble" and that I should even avoid hugging him. Modesty is not the same across the board in the sense that if you go to places in Asia, Africa, South America, North America, etc. the standards across societies and times are not the same. What we wear in the USA (even as Christians) would have shocked and appalled people 100 years ago in the same areas. In this way, I do think there is some validity in pushing back against blanket statements regarding what is modest/immodest. The idea that curves and skin automatically means being provocative is a heart issue, I think. Bodies are natural/normal--in some places nudity isn't even considered to be shocking or sexual, whether it be beaches or parks in some areas or public baths (which I was raised going to and finding completely normal). I am not trying to say that we should never care what way our appearance is perceived, but rather it varies person to person and place to place. What I now feel comfortable wearing is different from when I was 15 because I live in a different culture. I do think it is healthy for people to be comfortable in their own skin and not feel the need to constantly question if their clothing choice (or body type) is going to define how they will be treated or viewed. Whether I wear a baggy shirt or even a normal tshirt, people will notice my curves and it was futile for me to try and hide it for years. It isn't because I am immodest, but it's not something I can just hide. All that to say, I think there is a balance and I modesty is more of a heart question as some women may feel completely fine wearing a bikini to the beach and have no ill-intent and some women wearing clothes that appear more modest may have more of a heart issue as it could be out of pride. My husband showed me this video and I think it sums it up well (watch the first 2 minutes and 57 seconds for this topic): ua-cam.com/video/-RkZXZx6HCI/v-deo.html
Just so you guys know, statistically this is a fact, there is no link between provocative dressing and rape. Rape has been proven to be an issue of power dynamics, it is not a man losing his way I frankly find that a bit insulting to man since they’re not dogs, they’re not going to roll over when you wait for bone at them, they are capable people and can remove themselves from a situation if they feel they are directly affected, but that is not with sexual assaulters‘s are, while they are mostly men, they are not all men and it is proven that in the minds of the sexual assaulter and/or a rapist, they view women in and objectifying manner, so when they see a woman dressed in either sweatpants and a sweater or dressed in a prom dress they will attack and it is proven that’s true when examining who victims tend to be, not provocatively dressed women, but women and men who either have low self-esteem or women who are deemed vulnerable. I felt it was important to share this, as it seems you guys might not know this and are spreading A very dangerous message which may not have intended to
Believers are talking about cultural issues through a Christian lens, y'all just don't think that because they don't match your perspective perfectly. Just saying, it'd be real nice to see you actually have conversations with other, maybe more progressive, Christians, like I know I would genuinely enjoy it, and it would really spark some thoughtful dialogue. I'm all for hearing out as many POVs as I can, yours included, as often as I disagree with you. Even though I disagree, it still makes me think about what I believe and why, shouldn't that be rewarding enough to you? In all due respect and love, I just wish you would recognize yours is not *the* Christian perspective.
@@PaulandMorgan And that's cool and all, I mean personally I'm all for people having their own opinions and holding to them, so long as they're not causing harm to themselves or others. And regarding the Scripture, I totally understand that, I do the same for my beliefs. Most Christians base their beliefs in the Bible too. That's where I'm saying y'all can really contribute good, thoughtful conversation by interacting with other Christians whose beliefs don't necessarily line up with yours. The way I see it, you and I, for instance, read the same Bible, translation and version aside. The question then is why do we arrive at different beliefs regarding the same verses and passages? The same goes for Christians that have an online following similar to yours. Not naming any person or channel or anyone in particular, but I and many others know that there are a lot of those Christians who would genuinely enjoy opening a friendly dialogue with you. Morgan, I forget which video you mentioned it in (one of your older ones maybe), but you explicitly said being challenged is so good, and I wholeheartedly agree. Like I said, I find true growth myself when I'm challenged, so while it may not be easy, I still welcome it. However, and I don't intend to sound harsh, when you say something like that and then (seemingly) don't take your own advice, it just kind of comes across as empty rhetoric. Long story short, I'm just encouraging you to take your own advice, I genuinely believe a lot of good can come from it. ❤️
@@PaulandMorgan scripture is subjective in how someone interprets the text. My biggest issue with different Christian views is the omission aspect, they pick and choose which scriptures and sins are credible or justifiable. They also decrypt the verses to fit a specific narrative.
@@PaulandMorgan also, you two didn’t differentiate which parts were your own personal opinion versus what is based solely in scripture. A better title and something you two could work on is the idea of “YOUR Christian perspective” and not “THE Christian perspective,” as well as acknowledging which part is your own opinion.
*A* Christian perspective. Remember if you don't like what one person of a group says or are not sure, listen to a handful of people and see what the main commonalities are in opinion. There is no need to hate anyone for their perspective, simply listen to multiple and come up with your own decision 💕 A good conversation Paul and Morgan whether I 100% agree or not, at least it makes all of us think and reflect! 🌼
@@PaulandMorgan aw thank you. I feel bad because I'm going on a video binge on your channel and left a long comment on your shrimp video that I have no clue how comes across! Just know, I found the video funny and harmless, I just shared my un-needed thoughts 😂
I 100% agree with this. Some might not always agree but that’s why it’s up to converse about. I can always appreciate commentary from Paul and Morgan, whether I agree or not. Most times I do agree and sometimes I’m challenged in understanding their perspective. 😃
@Tha Night you unfortunately did not read and see my comment otherwise you would not have bombarded me with some direct opinion on something I did not address. Please respect.
It’s so sad. The same society that says “don’t you dare sexualize women” sexualizes women constantly. Basically, it’s only wrong if a man you find unattractive is showing sexual interest in you. There is a difference between respecting someone and respecting their actions. We are made in the image of God. I respect my fellow human beings in that regard. However, I do not have to respect these actions. In truth, that’s what they are *really* asking for. They’re asking for us to respect this immodesty, and respect their decision to act in such a way. It’s not worthy of respect so I will not respect it.
"if you don't want a christian perspective hop off" if you think that billie eilish shouldn't be propagating certain views or allowing the distribution of images of her body, why are you reading the articles? why are you commenting? just accept some people won't like your views. you should be encouraging conversation between people of different values, not promoting disunity and polarization.
It’s a bit of a struggle. Modesty is such a touchy topic right now, but it’s not black and white. And I agree, there is appropriate things to wear in certain situations and other things just aren’t appropriate. And one if the things to think about, is weather something might cause someone to lust. However, there is nothing visually inherently sexual about our bodies. Hundreds of years ago shoulders and ankles would have been absolutely arousing which now we‘d laugh about. It’s more society that shapeds what we find attractive (that doesn’t negate the fact that the attraction is very real) I feel like the resolution then should more be, changing the way we look at people, meaning, at the heart in a nonsexual way, than dressing „modestly“ under any circumstances, because someone will always find a way to sexualize you. I‘m sorry, if you can’t look at a woman in lingerie without sexualizing her, that’s on you. However, I think it’s also important for me as a woman to look at my heart and the reasons for why I dress the way I dress. I will always try to be kind towards my brothers. And if I dress a certain way because I want the validation, then that is a problem in me as well. I think it’s just important to remember that ‚modest‘ literally translated means ‚appropriate‘ and not ‚non revealing‘.
id like to offer a perspective from another christian , yes we should be aware of how we present ourselves, how we dress, how we groom ourselves etc, but condemning men and women for what they're wearing, modest or not, christian or not, is not the way to bring someone closer or back to jesus. the only way to do that is to pray for them and love them as they are and let God do the rest. not saying accept sin, but God loved us while we were at our unlovable, not to say Billie is unlovable but she is human and the music business/Hollywood really gets to people's heads and strays them away from christ, pushing them away by condemning or using fear is exactly what the devil wants because then they won't know jesus at all. we have to love Billie as she is, she's only 19 still and has growing up to do. I feel for her because people shame her for wearing more modest clothing in the past and for showing skin now. we're humans at the end of the day
@@ubemon thank you friend! we just can't afford to push people further away from God but that's the things that Christians tend to do the most unfortunately. yes, we wanna hold each other accountable for our sins but still treat others the way we want to be treated as He said!! ❤
Sorry guys but women really do own their own bodies. It’s up to us what we wanna do with them. And if some men have a problem with that, we are not responsible for it. It is always the man’s fault. Like I mean why don’t men get blamed for showing their body and women do? What makes it so different?
Everyone gets empowerment from different sources. If a woman is empowered by showing more skin and dressing "provocatively", that is her choice. If a woman is empowered by dressing modestly, that is also her choice.
As a teenage girl, I see female empowerment or empowerment in general as loving my body for what it is and feeling confident in who I am. Because I am a Christian, I want to honor God with my body. And also as a girl that struggles with bisexuality, the ways girls dress sometimes will cause me to commit sin in my heart. I don't blame them at all and it's something I work on. Because of this though I see different perspectives. I partly agree with Billie Ellish but I more so agree with you guys. Using wisdom is so important! Also I think it would be awesome if you guys checked out China McClain! She's a young celebrity that is on fire for God and her Instagram videos are amazing!
Awesome channel subbed 20 seconds into the video. Just found this video in my recommendations since i’m a fan of Billie and have christian faith. Fun fact! I’m born in the same year as Billie.
Apostle Paul says to judge each other and not the world in reference to Christians, that being said I believe it is totally fine to have an opinion on things that do influence even Christians. Modern day youth are being influenced by the world, Christian or not. Everyone is outraged that you two have an opinion and have pulled a complete straw man argument in the comments attacking your character over your opinion on modesty...smh. However, I appreciate your perspective and I agree with how you present, is how people judge...like it or not...its how our psyche is.
Why do you care about what Billie Eilish does with her own life? Worry about yourselves! Also, did Paul seriously call Billie Eilish "heavier"? You know she has an average body type that is healthy, right?
You suggest that people who know that they won't like your content just leave, but why don't you do the same with Billie's content or any other cultural event that you comment on? You want to call out what you think is harmful. A lot of people are on each of your videos to call out your harmful ideology. I know you think what you're preaching is truly what is best for people- I once thought the same. Your words aren't helpful, they're harmful. I truly hope one day you will see that and start to make up for the shame, oppression and toxicity you spread.
The reason female empowerment is so prevalent today is because of women like Billie who are willing to talk about breaking the mold. Women have never held power over men, men have always had a say in the role women play in society and how they dress and what jobs they can hold, you even say it yourself that women need downplay who they are and what they wear FOR MEN, to make sure MEN don’t get “tempted”, as if its the woman’s duty to change for man and never the other way around. Shouldn’t we be teaching men to not to rape, harass and assault women instead of teaching women to make themselves smaller for the sake of men’s lack of self control. Why shouldn’t we start working on empowering ourselves for us the same way men feel empowered? No one is “pushing” you to feel empowered as a sexual, strong, confident woman without a man’s approval anymore than you’re “pushing” the modesty trope.
I understand where Billie’s coming from. Everyone should be respected. But I also understand that she thinks this way because of the way she was brought up. She’s never lived outside of LA (not bad, but we all know LA’s culture is different than any other city). Her parents don’t seem to be strict in any way or form, and I don’t think that she’s ever had any kind of job that required a dress code or to follow specific requirements. She’s also never had a “regular kid” school lifestyle since she was homeschooled (nothing wrong with that).
You two know so little of billie eilish that morgan summed up her music as "dark and depressing" have you ever considered that some people enjoy other music than just the mormon tabernacle choir singing come ye saints on repeat
@@valerielove9837 I wasn't even thinking about it from a Christian perspective to be honest. I was thinking about all the things we say at that age that seem profound. You look back and realize you had little life experience behind your words. I cringe when I think about my opinions as a teenager.
@@5kydragon347 I live in Asia, and im my school, if your hair was that long, it would have to be braided. You could be penalised for not braiding your hair. It shows that you haven't put in effort to look your best. The point of what I said was different people have different ideas of what is neat and appropriate.
Interesting discussion- Billie doesn't drink or do drugs and sings about how stupid it is to do that. She also works in the community to feed the homeless and poor. She cares for the earth by being a vegan. She does not spend lots of money on objects or clothing her merch is ecofriendly and made in US. I am surprised you as Christians didn't highlight how Billie is discussing passages that are in the Bible. Referencing the passages where Jesus's followers put down a woman who was a adulterous (whore). He said if you are without sin cast the first stone. That is exactly what she is trying to state- media, culture push and portray women to be stereotypical images. Are we the ones to judge by what you wear or is God?
It's really hard growing up as a girl today and trying to discern between God's thoughts/will on body positivity and the world's. I feel like there is a lot of good wisdom that the world has to offer as far as this discussion goes, but it's really easy to forget what the Bible actually says and just believe what you want when it feels good. We do need to be sensitive because of how much of a real issue self-confidence and body-image are among basically all women today. But, like with most issues, the world's voice is not going to be the completely "correct" one in this. It's hard to accept that God calls us to be modest, but he does. And, I have to trust that he has good reason for it, and that he holds the answer to true body-confidence and self love THROUGH modesty that is not a veil for female oppression or sexism, like we too often see from people who preach modesty. Good words, guys
I am actually grossed out by your "opinions". You are practically victim blameing and saying 'oh no something bad happened to you!? oh....you wore that? Then it is totally your fault for giving a man those thoughts.' honestly sickening. dont call yourself christian if you judge people.
I would really appreciate your thoughts on Josh Duggar. Given he is about to be a father of 7 and claims to be a Christian still. As we all know he came from a very Christian strict home. He didn't grow up like Billie and yet he clearly has the mantra of do whatever whenever and forget everyone and everything else. The world will always be the world but Christians look up to the Duggar family and maybe we should start questioning some of the beliefs they hold as Josh clearly didn't receive the help he needed.
I’m not like you Morgan I was taught to clean a bathroom out from shower,sink and toilet. It’s called personal hygiene something you probably lack...or you haven’t been taught as a child.
Imagine if we applied the same logic you apply to sexy clothes to modest clothes. You say sexy clothes tempts men and therefore if you wear sexy clothes you don't care about others. Modest clothes tempts many people with aggression as seen with many people in hijab getting assaulted. So what's the solution here? Don't wear clothes outside the norm so you don't upset anyone or tempt anyone with sin? When she says do whatever you want im pretty sure it applies to clothes as this is what the interview was about, and saying f it to anything else literally also applies to wearing modest (even if its for god) so hey, if you want to be modest because that's your relationship with God, then do that and f what anyone else thinks.
Don’t worry everyone Paul isn’t going to “dwell” on Billie Eilish’s new video, Lost Cause, over and over and over and over and over and over again either 😉
Hey guys! I don't have a lot to say on this topic but I wanted to thank you two (and anyone else that has helped out!) once again for making these videos. I really like to hear dialog on these kinds of topics from Christians who are active in their relationship with the Lord. The videos you guys make are like a breath of fresh are. Thank you!!!!
I think that's the whole point. People in our world judge others on how they look. We are human beings. Everything else is just human perspective. I am not Christian in a way that I follow the Bible. But I to believe. I believe that God can be the creator and the destroyer. That good and bad is perception. And if someone feels the desire to dress or act a certain way, if they arent breaking laws or hurting anyone, allow them to walk the path God created for them. We are humans on our own path and its not our job to judge. You don't know that persons path.
Its funny how bland yall are. But...you still think your judgement is worth something bc you consider yourself a "believer". Its not. Lol "confidently walking with the lord"
Does the fact that you dressing in any way you like deserves respect serve to respect the people around you? If they feel uncomfortable or disrespected and you just don't care about that because they should only care about how YOU feel make it ok for them not to respect you and focus only on how they feel? That's how I feel.... Logically it doesn't even stand.
@@bobbybero7452 I’m ok with that lol you shouldn’t care what other people think. I’m a good person. I’m a kind person. The way I dress doesn’t change that. Its on them for judging me at face value. They’re the ones that need to check themselves
uhm, putting other ppl first emotionally has nothing to do with how you treat yourself or if you have respect for YOURSELF or not. You can dress however you want and still care and love others b/c those that mind don't matter and those that matter don't mind. If they love and respect you they won't judge you by what you are wearing but by your actions. If they see you being very caring for your friends and family, see you treating ppl with kindness and respect, see that you are polite to everyone, that should always overpower what the person happens to be wearing and to judge them on what they are wearing is unfair, you don't know why they are dressed the way they are. They could be very poor and simply cannot afford any nice clothes or they are in an abusive relationship where their partner makes them dress up, all fancy and sexy or makes them cover-up. I myself have not been in that type of relationship, but I have first-hand witnessed and been involved in both of these situations with other people.
I really feel like you guys should just stop...idk why you keep making these types of videos when you just get so much hate. Obviously nobody likes these videos where you ridicule what other people do. Focus on yourselves. Make lifestyle videos. Focus on what Jesus has done for you and rest in that. Share the gospel. Let God do the rest. You’re not doing anybody any good and honestly at this point, I think you really need to figure out your priorities. I understand that this channel probably pays your bills, but it’s obvious you find the most controversial topics to make videos about just to get clicks and views to put more money in your pockets. You’re just asking for drama and it is cringe worthy.
one thing we have to becareful , that we dont start to pick apart people and there actions and choices as people who love Jesus we have to becareful we dont become critical we all can have our views but lets focus more on what God call us to do and be in this world to love better to show grace as how our lord shows all, lets share our testimony of how we came to choose God and Jesus . we can get in the trap of picking apart everything that is happening , it can become a distraction also. lets be praying for each other in love.
Does God love us? he did drown the whole world apart from two of every animal in the world. God did a lot of awful things in the Old Testament so we would fear him.
I agree with you guys' point. I still think it's worth saying she is in fact still young in the sense of figuring things out. She's also obviously very troubled, and has issues to work through. I think she in her own way is trying to just figure it out. I think if she had a role model it would help, but that's my take. Also I think just plainly as Christians we should love her, and want her to come to Jesus, and come to church. That doesn't mean agree with everything she says, but just loving her.
Thank you for speaking about this particular case in the media. Body image and fashion are becoming really quite challenging to work out wether it means nothing or if it is more deeply connected to what Jesus would think. It’s not easy to talk over and I appreciate your views on the subject. I wouldn’t take what Billie Eilesh has to say with anymore clout than any other 19 year old young woman. She’s experiencing life and working out what she thinks but it shouldn’t affect anything more than her own actions. Unfortunately as a celebrity she does, which is always something to watch out for to see how people who follow her act and how she conducts herself.
Everything i say is out of love, and I'm not trying to challenge you or give you a hard time. I'm just relying information that I thought was very interesting and goes with what you're saying. Believe it or not there was a study of the male brain a while ago. And they found out that when they showed men pictures of women dressed provocatively, they saw them as objects. But then they saw the same women dressed modesty and then they didn't automatically view her as an object. I'm not saying that men can't control themselves, but I saying that the human brain reacts to certain things in different ways automatically without even realizing it. Of course it's wrong for a man (or a woman) to lust after someone, and/or act on those temptations. And there are people out there who will unfortunately lust over people who are very modest and there's nothing the girl can do because that's 100% on the guy. But we should be aware of how we dress can effect people. I personally know a bunch of people, who are like "I wanna wear this because it makes my butt look so big, tempting, and guys will love it!" but then they get really mad when they notice people looking at their butt. I truly believe that a lot of people (not all) want to be a victim and have attention. Because this is circular reasoning. If you literally say that you want people to look at your butt, but when they do, you get really mad, call they perverts, and then go around telling people how awful men are for look at you in a sexual way. Which of course is very wrong on the man's part. Also the Bible says don't look at the speck in someone else's eye, look at the log in your own eye. Which basically means to worry about your own sin issues before judging someone else's. Anyways I believe that if you're looking for attention then you've lost your right to get upset and accuses things of people who give you attention in the exact way you were looking for it. Sorry for going off on a tangent. It's something that has been on my mind for a while. And again everything I said is out of love I'm not trying to confront you at all! I'm just trying to have a good conversation with an intelligent person who is sharing their thoughts on the internet, so I'm sharing mine too.❤ I hope you have a lovely day!
@@elise4622 I'm curious though: what does that study about the male brain prove? Does it actually prove that men's brains are naturally that way? Couldn't it just as easily be that they've been conditioned to objectify women who dress a certain way? How many boys grow up hearing the message that women who dress a certain way are not respectable, and internalize that message and end up viewing women that way?
Wow. This is….this isn’t Christian. This is fundamental Christian which is vastly different. Women can wear whatever the heck they want because we dress for OURSELVES. As a non fundy Christian, what y’all are saying is so dangerous.
When we think about the original reason why we wear clothes in the first place, it really puts this in perspective. Adam and Eve were in the Garden naked and unashamed until they sinned, and their eyes were opened to the knowledge that it’s not good to walk around naked. The same happens to us when we are young children. We just run around naked and unashamed. As soon as we start to learn what is right and wrong, we start to get embarrassed about being naked in front of others. Adam and Eve tried to cover their own sin by sewing fig leaves together and making loincloths. Knowing this would not be sufficient (they could not atone for their sin by their own works), the Lord had to shed blood and sacrifice an innocent animal’s life in order to make garments of skin for their clothing. This was a type and shadow of Christ’s future sacrifice on the cross, so that we could be covered with His perfect righteousness and be made right with our God. The clothes that we wear are a constant reminder of what the Lord Jesus has done for us. So, really, modesty is first and foremost not about us, how we look to others, or whether or not we are causing people to stumble; but it is about our Savior. Hallelujah. This revelation alone has the power to change a person’s heart about how they dress. A great topic to think about. Love you both.
@ aidylweiss Also , wearing clothes is the first path towards civilisation . When people are all together naked , women naked in front of plenty of men , you cannot build marriage and families because of the sexual disorder that comes from that nakedness. When the Lord says you shall not lust after your neighbour's wife , it implies that she belongs to one man and her nakedness should be for him only. There are whole passages on nakedness in the OT that all refer to women as the sexual property of men. Ths was essential for the Hebrews to learn to built their civilisation cut these things apply to any actually. God bless you for your spiritual perspective though
Also to Morgan’s point she isn’t saying everyone needs to shut up , she’s saying that she isn’t going to listen to people who hate on her or dictate her autonomy in things like dressing, body or image because if you guys didn’t know each instance when Billie was seen WITHOUT baggy clothes (paparazzi famously photographed her taking a walk in a tank top) men were quick to sexualize her even though she was in one instance a minor and in another barely 18, people made comments about her arms and stomach and her image just taking a walk in hot weather made headlines with talk shows discussing her literally wearing a tank top and the response. She is saying she no longer cares for what those people have to say about her, and that’s a message her followers agree with and she’s pushing to them as well. She isn’t saying if you have an issue or talk to her to shut up cause she only cares for herself I think you misinterpreted that plus most of this interview since her dialogue is informal with alot of slang horses common towards her generation and can be often be misconstrued when read by people who aren’t surrounded or in touch w that dialogue
Respectfully, and lovingly, Christian channels should be less about criticizing those who are not in Christ and holding them to expectations that we try to meet through the strength given to us from the Holy Spirit, and more about spreading the gospel and glorifying God. Just a little suggestion for a Christian channel that is so viewed. We need to stop painting ourselves as wrongly judgemental. And if you do cover subjects like this, meet it with more scripture and things that are biblically based, not just opinions.
We’re all doing our best :) Thanks for the perspective
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Hi Rachel! I agree with you, but I think that young people are so influenced by the culture of this age. So, sometimes talking about it is good, because we can see the world with the Gospel/God’s perspective.
@ Agreed, we should address things directly. Maybe just focusing in on the topic of modesty, without bringing non-believers into it in a pick apart way, and with more scripture. But I definitely agree!
You are literally victim blaming a child for what happened to her; what she wears NOW has no bearing on what happened to her and when she was assaulted. I was an elementary school child when I was molested. People get raped no matter what they wear. Maybe instead of worrying so much about what women wear, you should be encouraging your brothers in Christ not to lust after or objectify women. If we are truly the image of the Divine, why are you all so offended by the human body?
I can't help but feel as if there's some sort of grooming and exploitation that exists in the music industry with young stars. I mean, you look at Miley Cyrus for example, and how underdressed she is in her music videos, you did not see that when she was starting her career. The same could be said for Billie Eilish too.
THIS WAS FIRE!!!! One of your best videos ever. Thank YOU guys. This is IMPERATIVE content, especially for young Christians who are too easily wrapped up in the lust of the world and the pride of life. Please keep preaching on “love not the world” we all, including myself need it.
Something else that's interesting to me is that nakedness or seductiveness is often viewed as women's empowerment for some reason? Like, Billie E didn't have to remove her clothes to be empowered. A woman can be empowered in so many ways that have nothing to do with clothes at all😂😂. Why's it always about showing body parts?😥
Hop it off! That's hilarious and so true! I don't really understand negative comments on anything. If I don't like it, I don't watch it. I certainly don't comment on stuff I don't like or agree with! Just move on to what you do!!
Thats old testament law man, ceremony based law like sacrifices are not required anymore. It's all about like 1 Corinthians 6 says in honoring God wuth our bodies
I'm encouraged by the demeanor of this video. There is a marked difference in this video versus the way you sometimes talk about people you disagree with (who often are not even believers) that can be void of peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, or self-control. But here, I hear both of you extending grace and talking about this subject in a way where you even say how there were good things said and things to ponder in the interview so right on! This new focus on modesty coming from the church is only in the past couple of hundred years and is in no way rooted in Scripture. This view of modesty demonstrates a lack of Bible reading as It's based on contorting verses out of context mostly. The word "modesty" is only ever used in Scripture twice. Both times talking more about lavish lifestyles like spending thousands of dollars on one outfit rather covering one's skin. The Evangelical church demonizes sensuality, sexuality, and even nudity in ways that God and His Word do not. Descriptions of graphic nudity are found in profusion in Scripture. From the story of the Garden of Eden to such instances as Noah's youngest son looking at his nakedness, to the Levite's concubines, to the graphic -- at times even pornographic -- sexuality of Song of Songs, we find realistic, factual, erotic, literary descriptions of sex and nudity in the Bible. We also learn that God has used people's sexual behavior, even immoral behavior, to shape history, to punish the wicked, to chastise, and to build up His people. Historically, the church has not always been as unfriendly toward flesh and bodies as some fundamentalists are in our own times. As Franky Shaeffer writes in his book Sham Pearls Before Real Swine, "It is the exercise of a peculiarly Protestant arrogance that ignores church history and tradition and assumes that as we look for answers to moral problems, we are alone before God, armed only with our own reading of Scripture and our puny consciences. The fact that in their wisdom, countless faithful churchmen through generations before and after the Reformation found nothing intrinsically offensive about nudity is instructive, at least to those who regard themselves as part of the historic church." The message that Evangelicals peddle however is that once girls develop physically and have grown into women, they should feel shame and guilt for their natural curves and breasts. This argument goes directly against the graphic eulogy of the female body and its sexuality that we find in Song of Songs so if we are being even the least bit intellectually honest, Evangelicals must admit that they are now at odds with Scripture and certainly church history in general. They are arguing against thousands of years of both Catholic as well as Protestant history. Look up the nude statue of Venus, nudity in art by the church in the Middle Ages, and the nakedness of many of the martyrs such as St. Sebastian. Look up the nude figures and statues of the virtues commissioned by the church of the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, such as Naked Truth painted standing next to a robed Mercy, illustrating Psalms 85:10. Study the renaissance art by Catholic Italy as well as Protestant Europe from painters like Cimabue, Giotto's teacher, to Leonardo Da Vinci's anatomical studies in the late Renaissance. Even the Sistine Chapel is filled with erotic art! The human body was always perceived as good and pure up until recent history. Evangelicals either have to say they disagree with everyone from Solomon and David in the Old Testament, the disciples and apostles of the New Testament, all of the leaders of the Reformation like Martin Luther, as well as all of the Scripture I've just laid out as well, or just realize maybe they don't have all this entirely right. This worldview has been formed largely by the modern "Protestant arrogance" as Shaeffer calls it. .
Also, modesty would have been even more apparent in scripture back then. Women wouldn’t have even thought about dressing in the way we do today because it was an atrocious thought to have. Even prostitutes dressed far more modestly than some of the teenagers out on the streets today.
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 Of course words change, but the point still stands, this version of modesty they are talking about in the video is nowhere in Scripture... Point to one example. (Or read my comment and realize Scripture advocates the opposite.)
What do you guys think about Billie’s words and her doing a steamy photo shoot? Do you think this type of empowerment has good outcomes?
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I dont think it has bad outcomes. How about this, lets check back in 10 months, and see what happens, then we can decide if we excommunicate billie eilish from a religion shes not a part of. Whats the worst case scenario of this vogue photoshoot? We should list our options and make bets
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Question to ask is: does the bible empower women? Of cause the answer is no since the bible do not promote equality
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 In 1 Timothy 2:11-12 it states, Women should learn in silence and all humility. I do not allow them to teach or to have authority over men; they must keep quiet. This passage seems to limit the role of women.
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Billie has been saying that no matter what she wears, people will be criticizing her. She was aware at a very young age that people will inevitably put her in a spotlight no matter what she does. She was also aware that some people will inevitably sexualize her. So she wore baggy clothes. She got flak for it anyway. People were just waiting for her to turn 18 to "legally" sexualize her- she didn't need to do the photoshoot to do that. She wore a tank top once and people were drooling over her. Are you really saying that those people who were just waiting for her to turn 18 are right in sexualizing her? You people look at a corset and immediately think, MEN ARE GOING TO LUST FOR THIS. Are you really insinuating that men are that weak? That men are barely in control of their desires? Billie didn't do the shoot to TEMPT, you are making that interpretation yourselves. She was owning the narrative. Women get harrassed no matter what they wear, no matter how they carry themselves, anyway. I think her dressing in a corset is not the disgusting here.
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@Diane Right?? I agree that some occasions may require you to dress a certain way, but what exactly is the occasion here? It's a photoshoot. If they saw it as somethings suggestive, that's really on them.
Paul and Morgan, I’m a Christian too and I’m asking you to please, please hear me. I’m truly concerned because there are so many sexual assault victims who carry immense shame due to trauma. Using shaming language such as “playing the victim” (when referring to sexual assault) could potentially re-traumatize and hurt those people further.😢
What a woman is wearing should never be part of the conversation when talking about sexual assault. Whether a woman was covered head to toe or literally wearing nothing, the fault is still 100% on the perpetrator. Perpetuating a culture where men are expected to have a lack of self-control over their own sexual desires is incredibly harmful. What needs to be prioritized is teaching people about consent.
I agree with a lot of what you have said unfortunately you're pleas will fall on deaf ears.
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It's interesting that you think women wearing certain clothes causes men to stumble with lustful thoughts. I'm curious what you think about Josh Duggar's recent arrest, considering he comes from a relatively conservative, Christian family. Who or what do you think caused him to stumble?
Nobody ever said that it is *always* a woman’s clothing or whatever that causes a man to stumble. A man has control over his actions. Stumbling is usually used in the context of temptation, not actually acting something out.
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 I agree! Men do have complete control of their actions. Which is why it's concerning that there are some men who still decide to do these things even when they are followers of God. Maybe it can be argued they are not true followers of God, but according to Paul and Morgan, there is still some responsibility on the woman to not cause lustful thoughts, and therefore implying, harmful actions taken upon them.
@@lauraj3333 it falls on both. Some people have struggles in certain areas that are harder not to give into where as to others it is not as hard of a struggle or not struggle at all and vice versa. Like putting a cookie infront of a child and their struggle becomes so intense not to eat it, to where most children will just eat the cookie even though you told them not to touch it. The Spirit of Jezebel is behind rape. Not everyone agrees or even have the same morals. Have you ever heard people talk and say well if anything happens in the moment then it'll happen. They are allowing room for lustful thoughts and acting on them only to realize things are going to far happening to fast and now are doubting should I actually have sex with this person. Maybe I don't and then while things are already in motion to having sex people will change their minds which on more cases leads to rape. So it is on both people. Also in other countries where women litterally cover their whole bodies still rape happens over there and we're over here being like this. People who rape are horrible people whom only God should handle cause I can't. There should be no excuse for rape but don't you dare be arrogant to the situations and spirits behind these types of things because a lot of rape could have been avoided.
Also just wanted to add I don't know what happened about Josh Duggar's arrest will have to look into it. I just didn't want you to think that just because you come from a Christian family doesn't mean you are excused from generational curses or passing on of spirits through your family line. A lot of Christians go about their day not realizing that a lot of their struggles or mindsets have been passed onto them from their parents or have been allowed in their life because of a legal access that had been opened up for the devil to tormemt them. Example watching porn can and will open up doors for the spirit of Jezebel into your life which makes the lustful thoughts more than just overwhelming. Ex-warlock John Ramirez dives deep into topics like this and giving the devil legal reign over you.
@Diane If you read all of this God bless you but a short verson is to read Romans 7:14-25 and then go ahead and read the rest lol causw you'll get your solution. Or ya know just all of Romans, its very good very good.
Romans 7:14 NLT
"So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am too human, a slave to sin. 15 I don't really understand myself for I want to do what is right, but I don't do it. Instead I do what I hate. 16 But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. 17 So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it."
Alright I'm gonna stop there. So if apostle Paul knew this about himself; then how does he do good and follow and obey Jesus?
Romans 8:2 "And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death."
Romans 8:12 "Therefore, dear brothers and sisters, you have no obligation to do what your sinful nature urges you to do. 13 For if you live by its dictates, you will die."
Notice the if, you still have a choice after you are set free. Galatians 5:1 (summerized) "make sure you stay free"
But a lot of Christians go around not knowing what they need to be set free from. Therefore they have troubles in certain areas in their live because the devil has them bound in that area unknowingly.
Jesus calls for Christians to have deliverances so the devil has no foothold in any area of our lives.
Then we have no chains and can freely choose to follow God or sadly not.
1 John 3:9 "Those who have been born into God's family do not make a practice out of sinning, because God's life is in them. So they can't keep on sinning because they are children of God."
Example of this would be to say you got delivered from spirit of alcohol. You can not control yourself from drinking too much and everytime you drink you blackout but not only that you get violent. Little did you know a generational curse of anger has been in your family bloodline. Because of the alcohol nonstop consumption it has opened up a door for the generational curse of anger to get its foothold in your life. So you didn't only need to be delivered from alcohol but the spirit of anger.
Now once you got your deliverance you won't go back to parties with drugs or alcohol since you know that would be a huge temptation and hard for you to say no to.
I hope this helps and I pray you recieve clarity and understanding in whatever you don't understand. Also ask Holy Spirit to help you understand His word and His truth on how He writes it whenever you read the bible because Holy Spirit is a much better speaker than I am ❤️
Paul and Morgan are the types of people who think tattoos are okay as long as you only have one or two.. But if you get a complete arm sleeve or face tattoo it is crossing the line.. Their way of thinking is very childish and immature.
No they don’t. Paul certainly hates it, and Morgan became a person who at least regrets it. But removing it is pretty expensive. How lucky they are to be such hypocrites so that they can say they did their own research and THIS is the one topic where you can do what you want instead of taking the Bible word by word 😂😂
@@LaRa-hu8yp maybe look at ceremonial laws and moral laws…
It's more about "everything in excess is bad", simple but its just comon sense... u shouldnt be so rude with a few arguments.
My biggest question I have is, why would you use a platform to judge people and then call yourself a follower of Jesus.
Great point.
They've not been judgemental in any way. Secondly when we see things that aren't quite right, we're supposed to call it out.
Paul and Morgan's take on this is on point!
Morgan: What would you say to someone who thought you didn't dress modestly enough? Or that your clothes may cause someone to stumble? Your instagram is filled with photos of you wearing pants, sleeveless tops and tighter fitting clothes - many, many Christians think this is immodest. Well, maybe how you would respond to them is exactly how Billie would respond to your opinions in this video.
@Tha Night No. Because of the fall we are filled with lust, pride, envy, etc. So don’t compare the way things are to the way they were before the fall. Modesty is important because we are sinful.
Right? My aunt's family is very conservative. They would consider the clothes Morgan wears: shorts, ripped jeans, and tanktops to be very immodest. It's kind of subjective.
They really wanna go viral lol...sad
I see your point the bible say don’t dress fancy or wear jewellery, look modest and plain so in other words just look boring.
I appreciate you pointing this out. It points out how arbitrary “modesty” is. At the end of the day, every woman gets too choose what makes her comfortable and it’s not for us to comment on.
It’s funny when Paul and Morgan joke about liberals always being offended when they are offended by what a 19 year old woman is wearing 🙃
wait are they conservative?
@@skylarlily6289 yes
There is a difference between complaining about every little thing, making up genders, ignoring science, completely ignoring logic and reality, etc. And addressing things you disagree with because that literally what you do for part of your living.
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 nah conservative flip out just when a boy wearing a dress. Ignoring science you follow a book, that can only be proven by faith. A book that been mistranslated hundreds of time. You complain that people don’t want to live in the 1800s anymore. Literally want respect but not giving any in return.
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 Y’all really act like God sometime. People are trying to share the point of view and their experience but noo you don’t want to discuss, you just want to be followed. Difference is the best part of human. Human are individuals. Y’all just want us to be the same. “Complaining” about the injustice, discrimination and dehumanization of some community. Open your eyes
Can people just stop talking about Billie’s body? She gets shamed for having normal body, shamed for wearing baggy clothes, shamed for finally being comfortable in her skin. Women literally can’t win...
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 How can you shame someone without talking about it?? What other forms of shaming are there? Like if she wasn't publicly stoned she wasn't shamed?? Also, if the other side was doing the criticizing you all would be going off about cAnCeL cUlTuRe.
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 yup
It’s just a bit strange to me to be a follower of Christ, yet judge celebrities so harshly. What if Billie Eilish stumbled upon this video? I just feel like this would deter her from Christ even more so to hear so much judgement from believers.
I mean I’d be willing to have a conversation about this but that is just my reaction from this video.
Her statements were literally responding to people like them. People criticized her for not dressing feminine enough, and she knew people would criticize her for the way she dressed for this photo shoot. Our society is obsessed with telling women how should dress. These ppl are just not self aware enough to realize what she was trying to say about people like them.
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 well said, they didn't insult, cririze or condemn her, they just openly said they disagree. I'm sick of people saying "Christians should be like this" you think Christ will tell her "you're right?". He will openly tell that her thinking is wrong in so many ways so please
@@judewillis311 she doesn't care anyways, she does whatever she wants and f... Everyone else. So she's f... Us
@@priscakamuleta2451 I know hahaha the article was literally "I don't care what you think about what I wear" cue Paul and Morgan's "well, here's what we think..."
What a secular artist does is none of your business 🙄 She is an adult human being and can make her own decisions without your commentary.
If nonbelievers want to critique Christians, we have the equal right to comment on anything we please
There’s an interesting parallel between wearing masks and dressing modestly… you can take Paul’s comment: “if you love your brothers in Christ, if you love your guy friends and you don’t want to create this atmosphere of them being tempted to lust after you when they’re around you, I would say, yeah, do us all a favour and dress more decently” and apply the same logic to masks: “if you love your brothers in Christ, if you love your friends and you don’t want to create this atmosphere of them possibly getting sick when they’re around you, I would say, yeah, do us all a favour and wear a mask”
The only difference is one of these has scientifically proven negative consequences and the other doesn’t 🤷♀️
Lmao.
🔥🔥🔥 THIS
"I wouldn't encourage men to look at a female body", how childish.
"how happy has that made you?"
u know her new album is literally called happier than ever right lol
nobody in the music industry has the authentic happiness. all they live is an illusion.
@@annakev8088 She bases her opinion on FAITH and we all know faith is a great basis for believing in something that has no evidence to back it. ;)
@@coss1 and having faith that someone isn’t happy is a good thing? Maybe try taking Billie at her word and having FAITH that she is happy with her accomplishments, life, and standing in the industry is more Christian.
@@miriamfodoreanu2626 yeah she wasn’t happy before and now she’s happy 🧍🏻♂️
@@miriamfodoreanu2626 Idk, Billie Eilish seems pretty happy to me.
Billie: does a photoshoot
Paul and Morgan: *and I took that personally!*
P.s.Jesus said if a man is tempted by a woman then he should gouge his eyes out because it's not the woman's fault. So if you don't gouge your eyes out then you're a false Christian.
#GougeOutYourEyesForJesus
If your gonna quote scripture do it properly please. Add context. But I don’t think you really care you just want to spite these people. Friend, please read the word once you were a baby now your grown up, soon you’ll grow more and then eventually death, please please please follow God and read his word not what you think is right but what God says is right. God bless, I’m not here to argue and have conflict I hope the best for you
@@peaceuponyou4433 what I said stands. A man asked Jesus if he sees a woman who tempted him what should he do. Jesus said avert your eyes and if you can't do that then gouge them out. So maybe they and many extremist Christians should stop putting all the blame on women and saying it's on them to control men. According to Jesus it's on the men to control themselves. Gouge your eyes out for Jesus still stands.
@@kenny995 It's called figure of speech! I guess you think we can move mountains too, because Jesus did say that.. (That was a parable by the way)
@@DiscerningSpirits no duh it's a parable. But if people want to keep ignoring the fact that Jesus said its not on the women to control the men, and instead say that it's a woman's fault if a man falters or its a woman's job to keep men in check then let's get literal baby.
Gouge out your eyes for Jesus!
@@kenny995 Jesus was referring to the seriousness of turning from sin, he wasn't relinquishing women (and men) of the duty to not be a stumbling block for others. I see you are set in your ways, i hope you receive a regenerated heart.
“No excuse for a man to act in his bad thoughts of women” continues to make excuses. This whole video was just them saying men have no excuse to treat women wrong, but if they dress provocative then do you blame the man for doing something? They’re talking about how body positivity is super complicated, but they’re the ones making it complicated. The point of body positivity is that people have inherent worth period. If they are heavy they still have worth if they are skinny they have worth. Body positivity means others shouldn’t treat you better or worse based on how you look, or dress. To put this in a Christian perspective. We are all made in the image of god, which means we all have the same amount of inherent worth period. Regardless of ANYTHING.
So....video on the Duggar’s soon then? Because clearly he needs to be talked about and brought to more peoples attention than Billie Eilish wearing a corset on vogue and telling people not to assault women.
True, there was nothing wrong with her shoot. Conservatives like to over exaggerate.
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 not saying they can’t. Just saying the Duggar issue should take priority over a 25 minute video criticizing a young adult for making her own personal choices about fashion. Clearly their families modesty rules didn’t work for them. If they’re a religious commentary channel, why not discuss views on all sides not just celebrities who are publicly not religious?
@Diane Well said and great addition.
You should talk about josh dugger and what’s happening and what they believe in because it’s a cult.. like being abused is not okay but most of that setting they think so, glad some of the Duggar are out of it
I don't think they'll ever make a video speaking negatively about any conservative. I think it's particularly interesting that they made a video about how women cause men to stumble in light of the Josh Duggar news being the biggest story in Christian news right now. It seems like powerful Christian men are doing quite a bit of stumbling on their own. Or maybe those poor children just caused Duggar to stumble?
@@judewillis311 yeah, it's clear that their true religion is American Conservatism. It's a shame they'd rather speak out against a pretty modest photo shoot than an actual pedophile but hey not surprising.
@@judewillis311 agreed!!
I feel like any Christian who judges individuals and justifies it with “God’s teachings” is extremely disrespectful and is using God’s name in vain.
Also, the audacity to blame women OR men for the thoughts and actions of other people based on how they dress is repulsive. Christian people like you two are the reason why Christianity is on the decline in newer generations, they’re tired of people making them feel like they should be worried about their own thoughts.
I also truly believe that someone can be both unapologetic about how others perceive who they are AND be caring and kind to others. There’s no reason for people to judge others in the first place, that’s only up to god right?
I could go on and on about the sad things I’ve heard in this video, but I digress.
Interesting perspective. Are you a Bible believing Christian?
@@PaulandMorgan I’m currently trying to figure out my faith, I still identify as a Christian and practice in a way that I have interpreted that omits chastisement and has a healthy, positive outlook but I was put off to many organized churches due to conservative Christian fundamentalist views that I witnessed and felt were more personal narrative and judgement than God loving values.
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Someone with sense
I think you guys don't understand why dress positivity has become such a big deal because either extreme of less clothing or conservative clothing deserves the same level of respect. Either should be ok and not stigmatized. Just like I shouldn't stigmatized the Amish for dressing in traditional clothing. An example; I was at the zoo in shorts with my bf. I am heavily tattooed. I got some looks from the older Amish but I ran into a group of Amish girls my age and they treated me no different. That's what we want the freedom to choose either covering but the respect with both as well. I want to wear whatever with no judgment or fear.
Interesting perspective :)
I am pretty sure the „do whatever you want“ phrase is directed at ones body. Here especially a woman’s body. As a woman I can do whatever I want with my body and if I want to show more skin or less skin it’s up to me. And it shouldn‘t matter to anyone else. Your body your choice. It‘s as easy as that.
I take it you’d have no inclination to try and stop someone from jumping off a bridge? Their body their choice, after all.
Your body is not your own, the lord created that body to glorify for him, everything we do on this earth we do it for Jesus not ourselves and that’s what a lot of people don’t understand
@@melissacalderon1515 that's only if you believe in God. Also, if you're Muslim, what Morgan is wearing right now would be considered immodest too.
@@melissacalderon1515 yeah you‘re right I really do not understand that. Sounds like an absolutely miserable life to me. And isn‘t it you soul that god is interested in? Isn‘t your body just a vessel?
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 well what a rather s*th comparison. But for the sake of it; Of course I would try to save someone’s life, given the chance. But if they decided to jump, yep then that’s there decision. Even though taking your own life has nothing to do with your body and how you present it.
Isn’t it a sin to be judgmental and in peoples business who cares what she wears
Interesting how at the beginning of this video Morgan points out that 16 years old is still a kid age, but in the video about Ma’khia Bryant they called her an adult woman. That’s also the video where they encouraged viewers to do proper research before establishing and opinion. Looks like Paul and Morgan need learn to do proper research before judging
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 it’s called being consistent with your claims, which is something they should consider in order to make valid arguments
Ma’khia Bryant was literally trying to kill someone. Don’t bring her up. The cop was completely and utterly valid in his decision making.
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 Right? I saw the video. Had the cop literally waited another second or two that other girl would have been stabbed in the chest or neck.
Y’all spend so much time and energy judging others. These “Christian perspective” videos are excuses to isolate others from faith and perpetuate the idea that Christianity is inaccessible and cold. It’s just not a good look. Your legacy shouldn’t be “those judgy Christians on UA-cam”
The Christians remembers what God says in the Old Testament but forget what Jesus had said in the New Testament
I totally agree
Yes Jacqueline! This is so disgusting, I respect their religion and beliefs because everyone deserves that but to spend all this time (literally, I was scrolling through their videos and they must spend hundreds and hundreds of hours on these things) talking about things that don’t really need this much attention, and that they could be spending their time doing way more important and beneficial things. Not only do they disrespect, bad-mouth, and shame people, they are also hypocrites because they say “be respectful in the comments please” when they are the ones being astronomically more disrespectful. 😒🤦♀️ And yes, the “Cristian perspective” phrase is just an excuse to be able to do this. Also, I feel like they think that they represent the entire religion that they are a part of, which is definitely not true. I am not Christian and they claim that they want to invite people into Christianity but I feel like they are doing the exact opposite. They are “those judgy Christians” like you said.
why does wearing baggy clothes mean you haven't washed your hair?
Exactly 💀
Paul: “I don’t want to offend you guys so quickly”
Also Paul: says something offensive every video
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 No it doesn’t it just means I’m particularly offended by people who try to push their opinions on others
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 If you call what they do teaching you have a lot of problems
@@πεσκανδρίτσα99 nope not offended by people giving their opinion, offended by people who force their opinion on others
@asonoftheskypainter no you can happily have your own opinion it’s when you force it onto others and tell others their opinions are shameful, like these two do where it becomes offensive
@asonoftheskypainter no but telling me I’m going to hell for my opinion sounds pretty forceful
Looking forward to your Josh Duggar video.
😂😂😂
I actually would like to see them speak on Josh Duggar
They won’t
@@imhere304 Yeah there's no way. They can't criticize a fellow fundie, but they also can't defend him because that would get the cancelled. Ignoring the story is the only viable option for them.
@@imhere304 Yet they did
Sooo do y’all ever know what you’re talking about?? No? Ok, that’s what I thought 👌
Yes they do :)
@@brirez7137 too bad they never show it in their videos then
@@brirez7137 prove they know what their talking about..prove it... do research..
You are TRIGGERED 😂👀
@@inni3642 pointing out someone’s stupidity isn’t exactly being “triggered”. They’re on a platform influencing a lot of people so they should maybe know what they’re talking about before opening their mouths.
I think the point is that everyone should be treated with respect no matter what they wear, how they look, etc. Whether you lust after them or not should not dictate the human respect you should give them. Especially as a Christian who was taught to love thy neighbor.
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@@PaulandMorgan do you 2 do any type of research or google anything before you start speaking on things you know nothing about?
Heads up everyone, Paul and Morgan delete comments that they don’t want you to see. Not because they’re full of naughty words or nonsense like that but because they point out their hypocrisy and cruelty labeling others as demonic and blaming women for Paul’s thirstiness.
Paul- “I didn’t dwell on the photos”
YES YOU DID LIAR 😂
Yeah I mean I love their show but I don't think Morgan realizes the biblical boundaries Paul crosses so often- Maybe she's just used to it??? Because if you have went and chose to look at that photo for more than a split second, whatever excuse you have for it, you've now dwelled on that photo. It would have made more sense if Morgan talked about the photo and explained what it was to Paul but I think it was completely hypocritical and wrong that he went and checked it out himself...
That’s not true, because your comment is still up 🤷🏻♀️
@@inni3642 Sorry Inni, you must be a bit naive to think my first comment on this video (that contained no bad words but was extremely scathing) was not removed before I posted this one. You should put two and two together that of course they would leave this comment to 'prove' to the innocent thralls that follow their horrible takes that they don't remove comments. Manipulative lot them Christians 🤷♂️
@@karisabriest8715 I mean, he obviously needed to look at it to make a rational judgement.
@@samuelsprings7245 yeah no, wrong. He didn't HAVE to look at it. He doesn't need to look at an under dressed girl for any reason. He could have had his wife look at it.
I have seen steamy photo shoots. This was not steamy. Completely different than her normal look, yes. Steamy, come on...
I think Morgan said it best, “As a Christian woman, your identity is in Christ”
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gross
As a Christian, here’s my problem with you guys: why create a UA-cam channel for the sole purpose of talking about Non-Christians and how they don’t act Christian?
Billie isn’t a Christian, so she’s not going to act like one. It doesn’t mean that she doesn’t care about people.
^^ agreed. This stuff isn’t directed at non Christians - for the most part. It’s directed at Christians, welcoming discussion about such things.
This
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I did like the atmosphere of this video, it felt much more open to conversation than most. Growing up as a missionary kid (and choosing to follow Christ into adulthood and marriage), I felt very discouraged by modesty. Although average (if not a bit on the light side) for my height, I am curvy and the idea that somehow I was *more* of an issue to those around me was incredibly hurtful. I was told as a 13 year old (from a non-family member) that if I wasn't modest enough I was going to cause my own dad to "stumble" and that I should even avoid hugging him. Modesty is not the same across the board in the sense that if you go to places in Asia, Africa, South America, North America, etc. the standards across societies and times are not the same. What we wear in the USA (even as Christians) would have shocked and appalled people 100 years ago in the same areas. In this way, I do think there is some validity in pushing back against blanket statements regarding what is modest/immodest. The idea that curves and skin automatically means being provocative is a heart issue, I think. Bodies are natural/normal--in some places nudity isn't even considered to be shocking or sexual, whether it be beaches or parks in some areas or public baths (which I was raised going to and finding completely normal). I am not trying to say that we should never care what way our appearance is perceived, but rather it varies person to person and place to place. What I now feel comfortable wearing is different from when I was 15 because I live in a different culture. I do think it is healthy for people to be comfortable in their own skin and not feel the need to constantly question if their clothing choice (or body type) is going to define how they will be treated or viewed. Whether I wear a baggy shirt or even a normal tshirt, people will notice my curves and it was futile for me to try and hide it for years. It isn't because I am immodest, but it's not something I can just hide. All that to say, I think there is a balance and I modesty is more of a heart question as some women may feel completely fine wearing a bikini to the beach and have no ill-intent and some women wearing clothes that appear more modest may have more of a heart issue as it could be out of pride.
My husband showed me this video and I think it sums it up well (watch the first 2 minutes and 57 seconds for this topic): ua-cam.com/video/-RkZXZx6HCI/v-deo.html
Thanks for sharing :)
Just so you guys know, statistically this is a fact, there is no link between provocative dressing and rape. Rape has been proven to be an issue of power dynamics, it is not a man losing his way I frankly find that a bit insulting to man since they’re not dogs, they’re not going to roll over when you wait for bone at them, they are capable people and can remove themselves from a situation if they feel they are directly affected, but that is not with sexual assaulters‘s are, while they are mostly men, they are not all men and it is proven that in the minds of the sexual assaulter and/or a rapist, they view women in and objectifying manner, so when they see a woman dressed in either sweatpants and a sweater or dressed in a prom dress they will attack and it is proven that’s true when examining who victims tend to be, not provocatively dressed women, but women and men who either have low self-esteem or women who are deemed vulnerable. I felt it was important to share this, as it seems you guys might not know this and are spreading A very dangerous message which may not have intended to
I knew this was gonna go downhill by the thumbnail "a Christians perspective"
Believers are talking about cultural issues through a Christian lens, y'all just don't think that because they don't match your perspective perfectly.
Just saying, it'd be real nice to see you actually have conversations with other, maybe more progressive, Christians, like I know I would genuinely enjoy it, and it would really spark some thoughtful dialogue.
I'm all for hearing out as many POVs as I can, yours included, as often as I disagree with you. Even though I disagree, it still makes me think about what I believe and why, shouldn't that be rewarding enough to you?
In all due respect and love, I just wish you would recognize yours is not *the* Christian perspective.
I understand what you’re saying. Some positions we hold are clear in scripture and some are more our opinions :)
@@PaulandMorgan And that's cool and all, I mean personally I'm all for people having their own opinions and holding to them, so long as they're not causing harm to themselves or others.
And regarding the Scripture, I totally understand that, I do the same for my beliefs. Most Christians base their beliefs in the Bible too. That's where I'm saying y'all can really contribute good, thoughtful conversation by interacting with other Christians whose beliefs don't necessarily line up with yours. The way I see it, you and I, for instance, read the same Bible, translation and version aside. The question then is why do we arrive at different beliefs regarding the same verses and passages? The same goes for Christians that have an online following similar to yours. Not naming any person or channel or anyone in particular, but I and many others know that there are a lot of those Christians who would genuinely enjoy opening a friendly dialogue with you.
Morgan, I forget which video you mentioned it in (one of your older ones maybe), but you explicitly said being challenged is so good, and I wholeheartedly agree. Like I said, I find true growth myself when I'm challenged, so while it may not be easy, I still welcome it. However, and I don't intend to sound harsh, when you say something like that and then (seemingly) don't take your own advice, it just kind of comes across as empty rhetoric.
Long story short, I'm just encouraging you to take your own advice, I genuinely believe a lot of good can come from it. ❤️
@@PaulandMorgan scripture is subjective in how someone interprets the text.
My biggest issue with different Christian views is the omission aspect, they pick and choose which scriptures and sins are credible or justifiable. They also decrypt the verses to fit a specific narrative.
@@PaulandMorgan also, you two didn’t differentiate which parts were your own personal opinion versus what is based solely in scripture. A better title and something you two could work on is the idea of “YOUR Christian perspective” and not “THE Christian perspective,” as well as acknowledging which part is your own opinion.
Why is this a topic Christians are into? Is she saved? Then why are we surprised?
*A* Christian perspective. Remember if you don't like what one person of a group says or are not sure, listen to a handful of people and see what the main commonalities are in opinion. There is no need to hate anyone for their perspective, simply listen to multiple and come up with your own decision 💕 A good conversation Paul and Morgan whether I 100% agree or not, at least it makes all of us think and reflect! 🌼
Good stuff, thanks for the gentle comment❤️
@@PaulandMorgan aw thank you. I feel bad because I'm going on a video binge on your channel and left a long comment on your shrimp video that I have no clue how comes across! Just know, I found the video funny and harmless, I just shared my un-needed thoughts 😂
I 100% agree with this. Some might not always agree but that’s why it’s up to converse about. I can always appreciate commentary from Paul and Morgan, whether I agree or not. Most times I do agree and sometimes I’m challenged in understanding their perspective. 😃
@Tha Night you unfortunately did not read and see my comment otherwise you would not have bombarded me with some direct opinion on something I did not address. Please respect.
@Tha Night still applies, this comment area and the comments don't relate to your text? Just confusing.
It’s so sad. The same society that says “don’t you dare sexualize women” sexualizes women constantly. Basically, it’s only wrong if a man you find unattractive is showing sexual interest in you.
There is a difference between respecting someone and respecting their actions. We are made in the image of God. I respect my fellow human beings in that regard. However, I do not have to respect these actions. In truth, that’s what they are *really* asking for. They’re asking for us to respect this immodesty, and respect their decision to act in such a way. It’s not worthy of respect so I will not respect it.
Wow, that was some really good insight. Thanks for sharing❤️
"if you don't want a christian perspective hop off" if you think that billie eilish shouldn't be propagating certain views or allowing the distribution of images of her body, why are you reading the articles? why are you commenting? just accept some people won't like your views. you should be encouraging conversation between people of different values, not promoting disunity and polarization.
It’s a bit of a struggle. Modesty is such a touchy topic right now, but it’s not black and white. And I agree, there is appropriate things to wear in certain situations and other things just aren’t appropriate. And one if the things to think about, is weather something might cause someone to lust. However, there is nothing visually inherently sexual about our bodies. Hundreds of years ago shoulders and ankles would have been absolutely arousing which now we‘d laugh about. It’s more society that shapeds what we find attractive (that doesn’t negate the fact that the attraction is very real) I feel like the resolution then should more be, changing the way we look at people, meaning, at the heart in a nonsexual way, than dressing „modestly“ under any circumstances, because someone will always find a way to sexualize you.
I‘m sorry, if you can’t look at a woman in lingerie without sexualizing her, that’s on you. However, I think it’s also important for me as a woman to look at my heart and the reasons for why I dress the way I dress. I will always try to be kind towards my brothers. And if I dress a certain way because I want the validation, then that is a problem in me as well.
I think it’s just important to remember that ‚modest‘ literally translated means ‚appropriate‘ and not ‚non revealing‘.
Appreciate the comment :)
id like to offer a perspective from another christian , yes we should be aware of how we present ourselves, how we dress, how we groom ourselves etc, but condemning men and women for what they're wearing, modest or not, christian or not, is not the way to bring someone closer or back to jesus. the only way to do that is to pray for them and love them as they are and let God do the rest. not saying accept sin, but God loved us while we were at our unlovable, not to say Billie is unlovable but she is human and the music business/Hollywood really gets to people's heads and strays them away from christ, pushing them away by condemning or using fear is exactly what the devil wants because then they won't know jesus at all. we have to love Billie as she is, she's only 19 still and has growing up to do. I feel for her because people shame her for wearing more modest clothing in the past and for showing skin now. we're humans at the end of the day
Now this is the most Christ like comment/perspective I've seen on here. I wish more Christians were like you.
@@ubemon thank you friend! we just can't afford to push people further away from God but that's the things that Christians tend to do the most unfortunately. yes, we wanna hold each other accountable for our sins but still treat others the way we want to be treated as He said!! ❤
Sorry guys but women really do own their own bodies. It’s up to us what we wanna do with them. And if some men have a problem with that, we are not responsible for it. It is always the man’s fault. Like I mean why don’t men get blamed for showing their body and women do? What makes it so different?
Get a grip y'all... There's so much straw manning in this video you could make a scarecrow.
Everyone gets empowerment from different sources. If a woman is empowered by showing more skin and dressing "provocatively", that is her choice. If a woman is empowered by dressing modestly, that is also her choice.
And it's also completely okay if you find empowerment in faith. The problem lies in judging others based on their source of empowerment
As a teenage girl, I see female empowerment or empowerment in general as loving my body for what it is and feeling confident in who I am. Because I am a Christian, I want to honor God with my body. And also as a girl that struggles with bisexuality, the ways girls dress sometimes will cause me to commit sin in my heart. I don't blame them at all and it's something I work on. Because of this though I see different perspectives. I partly agree with Billie Ellish but I more so agree with you guys. Using wisdom is so important! Also I think it would be awesome if you guys checked out China McClain! She's a young celebrity that is on fire for God and her Instagram videos are amazing!
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there's no such thing as "struggling with bisexuality" You should find an lgbtq affirming church, and join it.
@@karenalauri3141 an lgtbq lifestyle affirming church is not one that cares about morality
Go to God's word and don't listen to people's advice. Sorry about these upsetting or confusing comments :(
@@apracity7672 morality is subjective. Vegans think that eating meat is amoral, that doesn't mean you don't eat meat right?
Awesome channel subbed 20 seconds into the video. Just found this video in my recommendations since i’m a fan of Billie and have christian faith. Fun fact! I’m born in the same year as Billie.
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Do you both have any thoughts on josh duggar?
He’s so like conflicted the entire video, he’s really struggling lmao also I don’t think she likes how interested he is in this teen star lol
Apostle Paul says to judge each other and not the world in reference to Christians, that being said I believe it is totally fine to have an opinion on things that do influence even Christians. Modern day youth are being influenced by the world, Christian or not. Everyone is outraged that you two have an opinion and have pulled a complete straw man argument in the comments attacking your character over your opinion on modesty...smh. However, I appreciate your perspective and I agree with how you present, is how people judge...like it or not...its how our psyche is.
Why do you care about what Billie Eilish does with her own life? Worry about yourselves! Also, did Paul seriously call Billie Eilish "heavier"? You know she has an average body type that is healthy, right?
You suggest that people who know that they won't like your content just leave, but why don't you do the same with Billie's content or any other cultural event that you comment on? You want to call out what you think is harmful. A lot of people are on each of your videos to call out your harmful ideology. I know you think what you're preaching is truly what is best for people- I once thought the same. Your words aren't helpful, they're harmful. I truly hope one day you will see that and start to make up for the shame, oppression and toxicity you spread.
The reason female empowerment is so prevalent today is because of women like Billie who are willing to talk about breaking the mold. Women have never held power over men, men have always had a say in the role women play in society and how they dress and what jobs they can hold, you even say it yourself that women need downplay who they are and what they wear FOR MEN, to make sure MEN don’t get “tempted”, as if its the woman’s duty to change for man and never the other way around. Shouldn’t we be teaching men to not to rape, harass and assault women instead of teaching women to make themselves smaller for the sake of men’s lack of self control. Why shouldn’t we start working on empowering ourselves for us the same way men feel empowered? No one is “pushing” you to feel empowered as a sexual, strong, confident woman without a man’s approval anymore than you’re “pushing” the modesty trope.
I understand where Billie’s coming from. Everyone should be respected.
But I also understand that she thinks this way because of the way she was brought up.
She’s never lived outside of LA (not bad, but we all know LA’s culture is different than any other city).
Her parents don’t seem to be strict in any way or form, and I don’t think that she’s ever had any kind of job that required a dress code or to follow specific requirements.
She’s also never had a “regular kid” school lifestyle since she was homeschooled (nothing wrong with that).
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You two know so little of billie eilish that morgan summed up her music as "dark and depressing" have you ever considered that some people enjoy other music than just the mormon tabernacle choir singing come ye saints on repeat
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What Billie said seems like something a teenager might say. She's still a kid. Ask her about this in another ten years.
I agree. The same thing happened with Mylie Cyrus. And I believe Mylies father is a Christain
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@@valerielove9837 I wasn't even thinking about it from a Christian perspective to be honest. I was thinking about all the things we say at that age that seem profound. You look back and realize you had little life experience behind your words. I cringe when I think about my opinions as a teenager.
Off topic but Morgan’s hair is literally so pretty!
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I agree!!!
unfortunately, that hairstyle would not be acceptable during a job interview. it comes off very messy
@@zurzakne-etra7069 Lol, I’ve worn a similar hairstyle at a job interview that I got😅
@@5kydragon347 I live in Asia, and im my school, if your hair was that long, it would have to be braided. You could be penalised for not braiding your hair. It shows that you haven't put in effort to look your best.
The point of what I said was different people have different ideas of what is neat and appropriate.
Interesting discussion- Billie doesn't drink or do drugs and sings about how stupid it is to do that. She also works in the community to feed the homeless and poor. She cares for the earth by being a vegan. She does not spend lots of money on objects or clothing her merch is ecofriendly and made in US. I am surprised you as Christians didn't highlight how Billie is discussing passages that are in the Bible. Referencing the passages where Jesus's followers put down a woman who was a adulterous (whore). He said if you are without sin cast the first stone. That is exactly what she is trying to state- media, culture push and portray women to be stereotypical images. Are we the ones to judge by what you wear or is God?
Appreciate the comment :)
It's really hard growing up as a girl today and trying to discern between God's thoughts/will on body positivity and the world's. I feel like there is a lot of good wisdom that the world has to offer as far as this discussion goes, but it's really easy to forget what the Bible actually says and just believe what you want when it feels good. We do need to be sensitive because of how much of a real issue self-confidence and body-image are among basically all women today. But, like with most issues, the world's voice is not going to be the completely "correct" one in this. It's hard to accept that God calls us to be modest, but he does. And, I have to trust that he has good reason for it, and that he holds the answer to true body-confidence and self love THROUGH modesty that is not a veil for female oppression or sexism, like we too often see from people who preach modesty. Good words, guys
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I am actually grossed out by your "opinions". You are practically victim blameing and saying 'oh no something bad happened to you!? oh....you wore that? Then it is totally your fault for giving a man those thoughts.'
honestly sickening.
dont call yourself christian if you judge people.
I would really appreciate your thoughts on Josh Duggar. Given he is about to be a father of 7 and claims to be a Christian still. As we all know he came from a very Christian strict home. He didn't grow up like Billie and yet he clearly has the mantra of do whatever whenever and forget everyone and everything else. The world will always be the world but Christians look up to the Duggar family and maybe we should start questioning some of the beliefs they hold as Josh clearly didn't receive the help he needed.
I’m not like you Morgan
I was taught to clean a bathroom out from shower,sink and toilet. It’s called personal hygiene something you probably lack...or you haven’t been taught as a child.
Y'ALL, THIS IS A CHRISTIAN PERSPECTIVE OF IT, Their views are based on the Bible. Simple, this isn't about opinions.
Looks like Paul likes Billie Eilish more than hes letting on lol, just go follow her advice in the article and you'll be able to get over it
Imagine if we applied the same logic you apply to sexy clothes to modest clothes. You say sexy clothes tempts men and therefore if you wear sexy clothes you don't care about others. Modest clothes tempts many people with aggression as seen with many people in hijab getting assaulted. So what's the solution here? Don't wear clothes outside the norm so you don't upset anyone or tempt anyone with sin? When she says do whatever you want im pretty sure it applies to clothes as this is what the interview was about, and saying f it to anything else literally also applies to wearing modest (even if its for god) so hey, if you want to be modest because that's your relationship with God, then do that and f what anyone else thinks.
Don’t worry everyone Paul isn’t going to “dwell” on Billie Eilish’s new video, Lost Cause, over and over and over and over and over and over again either 😉
Hey guys! I don't have a lot to say on this topic but I wanted to thank you two (and anyone else that has helped out!) once again for making these videos. I really like to hear dialog on these kinds of topics from Christians who are active in their relationship with the Lord. The videos you guys make are like a breath of fresh are. Thank you!!!!
Aww really glad to hear that, Noah👊❤️
Substance-less and toxic.
I think that's the whole point. People in our world judge others on how they look. We are human beings. Everything else is just human perspective. I am not Christian in a way that I follow the Bible. But I to believe. I believe that God can be the creator and the destroyer. That good and bad is perception. And if someone feels the desire to dress or act a certain way, if they arent breaking laws or hurting anyone, allow them to walk the path God created for them. We are humans on our own path and its not our job to judge. You don't know that persons path.
Paul's wrists are distracting me from the message. I'm just saying.
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Its funny how bland yall are. But...you still think your judgement is worth something bc you consider yourself a "believer". Its not. Lol "confidently walking with the lord"
Does the fact that you dressing in any way you like deserves respect serve to respect the people around you? If they feel uncomfortable or disrespected and you just don't care about that because they should only care about how YOU feel make it ok for them not to respect you and focus only on how they feel? That's how I feel.... Logically it doesn't even stand.
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sorry, but no, it's not a woman's responsibility what a man thinks, when he sees her.
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Well said!
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That’s right! So don’t be surprised if a man thinks you belong to the streets
@@bobbybero7452 I’m ok with that lol you shouldn’t care what other people think. I’m a good person. I’m a kind person. The way I dress doesn’t change that. Its on them for judging me at face value. They’re the ones that need to check themselves
Since you two hate pop culture so much, how about you stop analyzing it, and just stick to your Bible stories.
uhm, putting other ppl first emotionally has nothing to do with how you treat yourself or if you have respect for YOURSELF or not. You can dress however you want and still care and love others b/c those that mind don't matter and those that matter don't mind. If they love and respect you they won't judge you by what you are wearing but by your actions. If they see you being very caring for your friends and family, see you treating ppl with kindness and respect, see that you are polite to everyone, that should always overpower what the person happens to be wearing and to judge them on what they are wearing is unfair, you don't know why they are dressed the way they are. They could be very poor and simply cannot afford any nice clothes or they are in an abusive relationship where their partner makes them dress up, all fancy and sexy or makes them cover-up. I myself have not been in that type of relationship, but I have first-hand witnessed and been involved in both of these situations with other people.
I really feel like you guys should just stop...idk why you keep making these types of videos when you just get so much hate. Obviously nobody likes these videos where you ridicule what other people do. Focus on yourselves. Make lifestyle videos. Focus on what Jesus has done for you and rest in that. Share the gospel. Let God do the rest. You’re not doing anybody any good and honestly at this point, I think you really need to figure out your priorities. I understand that this channel probably pays your bills, but it’s obvious you find the most controversial topics to make videos about just to get clicks and views to put more money in your pockets. You’re just asking for drama and it is cringe worthy.
"it's on the women", Really? That men can't keep it in their pants is not women's fault ugh
one thing we have to becareful , that we dont start to pick apart people and there actions and choices as people who love Jesus we have to becareful we dont become critical we all can have our views but lets focus more on what God call us to do and be in this world to love better to show grace as how our lord shows all, lets share our testimony of how we came to choose God and Jesus . we can get in the trap of picking apart everything that is happening , it can become a distraction also. lets be praying for each other in love.
Christians can become too quick to pick apart, but some of us are too quick to only talk about grace and love and never challenge :)
Does God love us? he did drown the whole world apart from two of every animal in the world. God did a lot of awful things in the Old Testament so we would fear him.
@@run2cat4run well how are you supposed to controller a huge mass of people without the installment of fear? 😉
@@ratbastard6293 by been a dictator
@@ratbastard6293 sounds like something Hitler would say
I agree with you guys' point. I still think it's worth saying she is in fact still young in the sense of figuring things out. She's also obviously very troubled, and has issues to work through. I think she in her own way is trying to just figure it out. I think if she had a role model it would help, but that's my take. Also I think just plainly as Christians we should love her, and want her to come to Jesus, and come to church. That doesn't mean agree with everything she says, but just loving her.
Thank you for speaking about this particular case in the media.
Body image and fashion are becoming really quite challenging to work out wether it means nothing or if it is more deeply connected to what Jesus would think.
It’s not easy to talk over and I appreciate your views on the subject.
I wouldn’t take what Billie Eilesh has to say with anymore clout than any other 19 year old young woman. She’s experiencing life and working out what she thinks but it shouldn’t affect anything more than her own actions. Unfortunately as a celebrity she does, which is always something to watch out for to see how people who follow her act and how she conducts herself.
Appreciate the comment :)
There is a such thing as self control of your own mind. And how you react to what you see.
Everything i say is out of love, and I'm not trying to challenge you or give you a hard time. I'm just relying information that I thought was very interesting and goes with what you're saying.
Believe it or not there was a study of the male brain a while ago. And they found out that when they showed men pictures of women dressed provocatively, they saw them as objects. But then they saw the same women dressed modesty and then they didn't automatically view her as an object. I'm not saying that men can't control themselves, but I saying that the human brain reacts to certain things in different ways automatically without even realizing it. Of course it's wrong for a man (or a woman) to lust after someone, and/or act on those temptations. And there are people out there who will unfortunately lust over people who are very modest and there's nothing the girl can do because that's 100% on the guy. But we should be aware of how we dress can effect people.
I personally know a bunch of people, who are like "I wanna wear this because it makes my butt look so big, tempting, and guys will love it!" but then they get really mad when they notice people looking at their butt. I truly believe that a lot of people (not all) want to be a victim and have attention. Because this is circular reasoning. If you literally say that you want people to look at your butt, but when they do, you get really mad, call they perverts, and then go around telling people how awful men are for look at you in a sexual way. Which of course is very wrong on the man's part. Also the Bible says don't look at the speck in someone else's eye, look at the log in your own eye. Which basically means to worry about your own sin issues before judging someone else's. Anyways
I believe that if you're looking for attention then you've lost your right to get upset and accuses things of people who give you attention in the exact way you were looking for it.
Sorry for going off on a tangent. It's something that has been on my mind for a while. And again everything I said is out of love I'm not trying to confront you at all! I'm just trying to have a good conversation with an intelligent person who is sharing their thoughts on the internet, so I'm sharing mine too.❤
I hope you have a lovely day!
@@elise4622 I'm curious though: what does that study about the male brain prove? Does it actually prove that men's brains are naturally that way? Couldn't it just as easily be that they've been conditioned to objectify women who dress a certain way? How many boys grow up hearing the message that women who dress a certain way are not respectable, and internalize that message and end up viewing women that way?
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Wow. This is….this isn’t Christian. This is fundamental Christian which is vastly different. Women can wear whatever the heck they want because we dress for OURSELVES. As a non fundy Christian, what y’all are saying is so dangerous.
When we think about the original reason why we wear clothes in the first place, it really puts this in perspective. Adam and Eve were in the Garden naked and unashamed until they sinned, and their eyes were opened to the knowledge that it’s not good to walk around naked. The same happens to us when we are young children. We just run around naked and unashamed. As soon as we start to learn what is right and wrong, we start to get embarrassed about being naked in front of others.
Adam and Eve tried to cover their own sin by sewing fig leaves together and making loincloths. Knowing this would not be sufficient (they could not atone for their sin by their own works), the Lord had to shed blood and sacrifice an innocent animal’s life in order to make garments of skin for their clothing. This was a type and shadow of Christ’s future sacrifice on the cross, so that we could be covered with His perfect righteousness and be made right with our God.
The clothes that we wear are a constant reminder of what the Lord Jesus has done for us. So, really, modesty is first and foremost not about us, how we look to others, or whether or not we are causing people to stumble; but it is about our Savior. Hallelujah.
This revelation alone has the power to change a person’s heart about how they dress. A great topic to think about. Love you both.
Interesting perspective :)
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Also , wearing clothes is the first path towards civilisation . When people are all together naked , women naked in front of plenty of men , you cannot build marriage and families because of the sexual disorder that comes from that nakedness.
When the Lord says you shall not lust after your neighbour's wife , it implies that she belongs to one man and her nakedness should be for him only.
There are whole passages on nakedness in the OT that all refer to women as the sexual property of men.
Ths was essential for the Hebrews to learn to built their civilisation cut these things apply to any actually.
God bless you for your spiritual perspective though
Also to Morgan’s point she isn’t saying everyone needs to shut up , she’s saying that she isn’t going to listen to people who hate on her or dictate her autonomy in things like dressing, body or image because if you guys didn’t know each instance when Billie was seen WITHOUT baggy clothes (paparazzi famously photographed her taking a walk in a tank top) men were quick to sexualize her even though she was in one instance a minor and in another barely 18, people made comments about her arms and stomach and her image just taking a walk in hot weather made headlines with talk shows discussing her literally wearing a tank top and the response. She is saying she no longer cares for what those people have to say about her, and that’s a message her followers agree with and she’s pushing to them as well. She isn’t saying if you have an issue or talk to her to shut up cause she only cares for herself I think you misinterpreted that plus most of this interview since her dialogue is informal with alot of slang horses common towards her generation and can be often be misconstrued when read by people who aren’t surrounded or in touch w that dialogue
Respectfully, and lovingly, Christian channels should be less about criticizing those who are not in Christ and holding them to expectations that we try to meet through the strength given to us from the Holy Spirit, and more about spreading the gospel and glorifying God. Just a little suggestion for a Christian channel that is so viewed. We need to stop painting ourselves as wrongly judgemental. And if you do cover subjects like this, meet it with more scripture and things that are biblically based, not just opinions.
We’re all doing our best :) Thanks for the perspective
Hi Rachel! I agree with you, but I think that young people are so influenced by the culture of this age. So, sometimes talking about it is good, because we can see the world with the Gospel/God’s perspective.
@ Agreed, we should address things directly. Maybe just focusing in on the topic of modesty, without bringing non-believers into it in a pick apart way, and with more scripture. But I definitely agree!
Y’all should just delete this.. it’s embarrassing asf
Guys UA-cam is acting up because they keep deleting my like...
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You are literally victim blaming a child for what happened to her; what she wears NOW has no bearing on what happened to her and when she was assaulted. I was an elementary school child when I was molested. People get raped no matter what they wear. Maybe instead of worrying so much about what women wear, you should be encouraging your brothers in Christ not to lust after or objectify women. If we are truly the image of the Divine, why are you all so offended by the human body?
I can't help but feel as if there's some sort of grooming and exploitation that exists in the music industry with young stars. I mean, you look at Miley Cyrus for example, and how underdressed she is in her music videos, you did not see that when she was starting her career. The same could be said for Billie Eilish too.
I agree.
I mentioned that as well about Mylie Cyrus.
I don’t think you’re far off🙏
This is disgusting. When she was wearing “baggy clothes” she was underage.
THIS WAS FIRE!!!! One of your best videos ever. Thank YOU guys.
This is IMPERATIVE content, especially for young Christians who are too easily wrapped up in the lust of the world and the pride of life. Please keep preaching on “love not the world” we all, including myself need it.
Aww thanks Summer!❤️
Something else that's interesting to me is that nakedness or seductiveness is often viewed as women's empowerment for some reason? Like, Billie E didn't have to remove her clothes to be empowered. A woman can be empowered in so many ways that have nothing to do with clothes at all😂😂. Why's it always about showing body parts?😥
Hop it off! That's hilarious and so true! I don't really understand negative comments on anything. If I don't like it, I don't watch it. I certainly don't comment on stuff I don't like or agree with! Just move on to what you do!!
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1:21, I wonder what you guys would think of Hot-Topic?
christians trying to shove their morals and beliefs on others. lol. esp Morgan, with that tattoo. haha. Leviticus 19:28
Thats old testament law man, ceremony based law like sacrifices are not required anymore. It's all about like 1 Corinthians 6 says in honoring God wuth our bodies
@@itstriplem2069 all of a sudden you get to pick and choose what you want from the bible to believe huh LOLOLOLOL
I actually don’t follow any of this secular stuff. I’m glad, because I simply don’t need to know! I follow politics but not entertainment!
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I think it's sweet when couples share a braincell
I'm encouraged by the demeanor of this video. There is a marked difference in this video versus the way you sometimes talk about people you disagree with (who often are not even believers) that can be void of peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, or self-control. But here, I hear both of you extending grace and talking about this subject in a way where you even say how there were good things said and things to ponder in the interview so right on!
This new focus on modesty coming from the church is only in the past couple of hundred years and is in no way rooted in Scripture. This view of modesty demonstrates a lack of Bible reading as It's based on contorting verses out of context mostly. The word "modesty" is only ever used in Scripture twice. Both times talking more about lavish lifestyles like spending thousands of dollars on one outfit rather covering one's skin. The Evangelical church demonizes sensuality, sexuality, and even nudity in ways that God and His Word do not. Descriptions of graphic nudity are found in profusion in Scripture. From the story of the Garden of Eden to such instances as Noah's youngest son looking at his nakedness, to the Levite's concubines, to the graphic -- at times even pornographic -- sexuality of Song of Songs, we find realistic, factual, erotic, literary descriptions of sex and nudity in the Bible. We also learn that God has used people's sexual behavior, even immoral behavior, to shape history, to punish the wicked, to chastise, and to build up His people. Historically, the church has not always been as unfriendly toward flesh and bodies as some fundamentalists are in our own times. As Franky Shaeffer writes in his book Sham Pearls Before Real Swine, "It is the exercise of a peculiarly Protestant arrogance that ignores church history and tradition and assumes that as we look for answers to moral problems, we are alone before God, armed only with our own reading of Scripture and our puny consciences. The fact that in their wisdom, countless faithful churchmen through generations before and after the Reformation found nothing intrinsically offensive about nudity is instructive, at least to those who regard themselves as part of the historic church."
The message that Evangelicals peddle however is that once girls develop physically and have grown into women, they should feel shame and guilt for their natural curves and breasts. This argument goes directly against the graphic eulogy of the female body and its sexuality that we find in Song of Songs so if we are being even the least bit intellectually honest, Evangelicals must admit that they are now at odds with Scripture and certainly church history in general. They are arguing against thousands of years of both Catholic as well as Protestant history. Look up the nude statue of Venus, nudity in art by the church in the Middle Ages, and the nakedness of many of the martyrs such as St. Sebastian. Look up the nude figures and statues of the virtues commissioned by the church of the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, such as Naked Truth painted standing next to a robed Mercy, illustrating Psalms 85:10. Study the renaissance art by Catholic Italy as well as Protestant Europe from painters like Cimabue, Giotto's teacher, to Leonardo Da Vinci's anatomical studies in the late Renaissance. Even the Sistine Chapel is filled with erotic art! The human body was always perceived as good and pure up until recent history. Evangelicals either have to say they disagree with everyone from Solomon and David in the Old Testament, the disciples and apostles of the New Testament, all of the leaders of the Reformation like Martin Luther, as well as all of the Scripture I've just laid out as well, or just realize maybe they don't have all this entirely right. This worldview has been formed largely by the modern "Protestant arrogance" as Shaeffer calls it. .
Interesting perspective :)
Language changes. We use the word modesty to encompass multiple words used in scripture regarding humility, discretion, etc.
Also, modesty would have been even more apparent in scripture back then. Women wouldn’t have even thought about dressing in the way we do today because it was an atrocious thought to have. Even prostitutes dressed far more modestly than some of the teenagers out on the streets today.
@@alwayschasingjesus3452 Of course words change, but the point still stands, this version of modesty they are talking about in the video is nowhere in Scripture... Point to one example. (Or read my comment and realize Scripture advocates the opposite.)
16:36 it’s scary that a woman thinks this way 😳