@@michaelmckinney7240 l thought that was your guys specialty..nope cartoons for me ..if your not busy head over to NASA they are tracking space turds right now.. reviting
In his lectures at university, Roger would draw his diagrams anew every time using coloured pens on a flip chart (which became a whiteboard). No pre-prepared materials that I ever saw. It made his lessons much more interesting because he knew/sensed that it was the dynamics of the the drawings evolving that gave us the learning (as each new connection was made). I always admired him for this small thing.
He was demonstrating the imaginative power of the brain on fire with learning and evolution of theory as he taught...like watching the way a wildfire evolves with the landscape, fuel, temperature and wind...our brains in the process of thought and learning are just like that fire! Penrose was giving you a window to what was happening in his mind as he put all that together!!! Fire. Very symbolic, agree do you not?
"The Big Bang wasn't the beginning." True. But that's only because there was no beginning. The Big Bang Theory is just that, a theory. And the theory that the Big Bang wasn't the beginning is also a theory. And theories are determinations made by scientists. Just as the rest of us make determinations in every day life. To say "The world begins at this point and did not previously exist" is an attempt to discover a determinate meaning. Which is itself a mode of determination woven into a vast tapestry of previous determinations. In short, it's impossible to make a new beginning.
I'm worried about Penrose. He now disagrees with some of the things he previously demonstrated daily. Things he knew at the time were facts. He was always a little flowery in fairness... But these days he seems to be in full weird mode. Well perhaps not full weird mode...but he's working on it.
You just hate Peterson. Probably because he bursts your bubble in social issues. Peterson was simply asking questions on a topic he is at minimum better informed than you.
I think Penrose did a great job putting it in laymen's terms. Basically when all the mass in the universe disapates into massless photons, most of the things that define reality as we know it time, distance, size, etc... go with it as those are the creation of mass, which allows photons to go wild, which creates an enviroment that recreates mass from the energy of their unrestricted movements, and that creates a new big bang. This generates an eternal cycle. Thing of the massless photon universe as an ocean of pure chaos, from that chaos order (mass arises), eventually entropy (chaos) destroys that orders, so that it desolves back into a ocean of chaos (universe of photons without the limiting rules of mass) whose unrestitcted energy, free from the rules of mass, allow it to give rise to mass again. It all very Greek to me.
What purpose? He's just a stupid little man full of dumb imaginings. He denies his Maker and will end in hell. And you will follow him there? What a horrid gift you've received.
He's definitely a great mind. I heard him in an interview that when he concluded that the universe would end up being photons, he became depressed. I understood that this could be the factor that led him to propose the possibility that this physical state gave rise to the formation of a new universe with new implicit possibilities. In that sense, did the passion for living return to you?
You need to find Jesus. He is the key to life and purpose. When I have any problems in life, I ask myself what would Jesus do? And then a calmness comes over me and I also know the answer after speaking with him. I was once stressed out due to world hunger and climate change. I asked Jesus what he would do, and he suggested I smoke a joint and forget about it. It really helped to relieve my stress that day and now I pretty much stay high and have no worries.
when you are trying your darndest to comprehend but in all honesty, you havent a clue, yet you watch and listen to the end as its so captivating and intriguing... sounds like this oke really knows his stuff
We are like children with questions about how something (complicated) works. Rodger Penrose is like: "oh how do I explain it to them?...It really can't be properly explained to them, but I can give them a super-basic idea of what I'm getting at".
To simplify what I understood about his already simplified explanation, the state of the universe preceding the big bang is remarkably similar to the eventual "end" state of the universe (given what we know about how its expanding/entropy/etc) so eventually, once all things have decayed and only massless photons of pure energy exist, another big-bang-like event may eventually occur... Or something like that? xD
@@crookeddesk what bakes my noodle is when he suggests that the universe no longer knows its size when everything has decayed. I guess he's saying that size isn't a thing, when the only thing which exists are photons which don't experience time.
@@iamBlackGambit the fact that true nothing is a high maintenance state, means some sort of asymmetry always occurs, that eventually leads to some kind of vacuum energy
The problem in understanding new physical ideas is that our imagination is clogged with misleading metaphors like "big bang". If you called it "Big X" and don't think of an explosion or other nonsense, then it's easier to free your mind for new thoughts. Math works without metaphors, which is why translations to real life are so obscure, impossible, or difficult.
It’s not that complicated basically your on a rock made out of earth in space which inhabits another space where there’s little things so small you can’t see them and god made that so behave and be nice to yourself and others and it might work out for you.
@@justwannabehappy6735 yes, big bounce is a bit different. It shrinks and then there is another big bang which creates the universe. In Penrose's theory the universe does not shrink. After there is no mass in the universe you cannot distinguish between big and small distances because the photons experience no time. our do not know how much time you need to pass a distance because there are no objects for reference. Without this space reference, the photons do not know their energy density so the energy density of the entire universe would not be defined. So you have all photons in the universe but there are no defined distances between those photons. Without a defined distance your relative position to other photons is 0. This means all photons of the universe are at at the same "place". A place does not really exist but they are all together. The "size" of the universe gets "setted" to 0 because as explained you have no measurement tool (mass) to measure distances. All photons of the universe together would be a huge amount of energy density so another big bang would happen. The main difference between this and the big bounce is the course of the end. The universe decays and shrinks not because of the massiveness of mass but because you have no mass. Personally I like this theory because it shows and enforces relativeness.
I used to scoff at the idea, but more and more, I am starting to think that it is very likely that we are living in a simulation possibly MANY layers away from true base reality. There are many things that make me think this is likely true, but probably the existence of the Planck constant which eludes to the digital nature of energy as well as the observer effect (wave function collapse) of quantum mechanics are the main ones. If that is the case, then it may well be that the entire lifetime of our universe will happen in just a very short time in base reality. We may very well be just a few fleeting clock cycles in some vast complex hierarchy of software. Of course, the problem there is if true, we will likely never be able to prove it.
@@70AD-user45 What started the first big bang though? It's impossible for nothing to create something. Something outside of our universe started our existence.
And demonstrably false. He's pulled a Linus Pauling -- he won the Nobel and went completely insane. His Conformal Cyclic Cosmology has been ruled out but he insists that not only is it not ruled out but that it's proven. Not to mention his outright illegal fraudulent work in the field of consciousness, still holding to Orch OR which has also been completely ruled out.
@@mv3380 That's a faulty argument because then that thing becomes the mystery of what started it, and you either say that it always existed or something else started it, resulting in the same exact idea as the Universe model presented here. So it's simpler to just stick with the Universe since we don't have any evidence or math for something outside of a Universe (aside from math for a multiverse theory, which runs into a similar problem). Also, you can't say impossible on the level of fundamental physics. It's all magic. What the hell is existence anyway? It can follow any rule imaginable and unimaginable.
@@mv3380 You can either say the big bang has been going on eternally in the past without beginning and without end, which doesn't make sense, or someone created the first big bang...God.
I've heard this theory before and I like it. Basically, if all matter in the universe decayed into photons, because photons don't experience time, all distances become zero for the photons. From the photons' perspective, they all occupy the same point in space. This is a singularity, all the energy of the universe at a single point. It is both infinitely large and infinitely small. Why that results in a big bang and conversion of photons into other forms of matter I don't know.
@@cleanerben9636 I don't think I've ever heard of photon decay. How would a photon decay if it is a timeless particle anyway? There is no such thing as half-life. I will assume you're joking with the bored part lol
There is a phenomenon when photons strike each other which is that two particles are formed. - 1 matter, 1 antimatter - Most time they collide with one another, but when they don't... the matter collects with other matter... stars, systems (consisting of planets and other celestial bodies) form. - The antimatter, however, I've theorized is what makes up what is known as dark energy.
No up without down, no down without up. No life without death, no death without life. “We are just waves in time and space, changing continuously, and the illusion of individuality is produced through the concatenation of the rapidly succeeding phases of existence.” - Nikola Tesla
It's quite a simple ideea the way he explains it but there's something missing. The trigger for the big bang acurring . Conditions prior to the big bang are similar to conditions in the distant universe, as all mass turns into energy the ideea of size and time dissapears. Since there is no size, there is no difference betwen infinity and a infinately small point. ......I can go down the rabbit hole of the argument but, what triggers the big bang ?
I agree wholeheartedly. So much so that it pains me to see him forced to suffer fools like the Lobster Man with what precious little time he may have left.
@@Timkast Seems to be enjoying his conversation with “lobster man” to be honest and why wouldn’t he. They’re both hyper intelligent albeit in very different fields.
@@Timkast Oh my god. Give it a rest. He’s a clinical psychologist by trade. He discusses philosophy for the most part which is a subject without a ‘right’ answer. So do explain how he’s intellectually dishonest or a hack. He’s not a physicist and doesn’t claim to be one but He’s smarter than the two of us put together. So stop throwing stones in that glass house if yours.
@@jackbrooking4754 I agree with you mate and I'm sure if Robert didn't want to talk to him he wouldn't so @timkast podcast who the hell are you to tell anyone let along sir Robert, what to do with there time!!!
Wonderful having Mr. Penrose with us and we know of him. What concerns me more is the destitute farmer in some poor country that is smarter than Mr. Penrose that we don't know about. We need these people. We need to find them.
I think I've heard of this somewhere before. How when the universe essential becomes just photons / heat, the conditions become such (through repeated, unlikely deviations on the quantum level) that a big bang can take place again. Since time is non-factor at that point, a big bang event becomes inevitable through those however unlikely deviations. There is no "big crunch" in the physical sense.
It all sounds good in theory, truth is that we live a one tiny rock, revolving around a small sun. Not like people are ever going to leave our solar system.
The Univeral expansion has pressure relief valves known as wormholes and black holes. When the pressure builds up and depending on how much pressure, this energy exits and re-enters the same way.
What causes matter to form from a void? You need consciousness as an equation point or it can't work. This is both modern quantum and theoretical physics. If you need consciousness to make the equation work well then that implies a higher being of thought. In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. John 1:1 sound created matter says the Bible, science says the big bang, either way form and matter was formed from sound, sound is a frequency and vibration. Both require a consciousness.
@@sanderson9338 What is a void and which theory do you believe proposes that matter forms from a void? You don't know quantum physics. You don't know theoretical physics. So, what are you trying to talk about here?
Over ten years ago they discovered many "bruises" in our universe caused by collisions with other universes which means the cosmos is far larger than first imagined. These circles of Universes interact just as colliding galaxies do and distant ones are detected by background radiation which has travelled trillions of years.
Moses 3:5 - "5 For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;"
This was very helpful. Our understanding of time and space are developing. Thank you for sharing this. Roger Penrose is amazing in his teaching us the boundaries of our knowledge of our universe.
again,,,children starving....but l have given a theory ..eat well..//.JCM a Scot as all the REAL smart ones are,,,no point in ideas when your friends go hungry....
Developing? It turns out that roughly 68% of the universe is dark energy. Dark matter makes up about 27%. The rest - everything on Earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the universe. I mention this because they don't have a CLUE what Dark matter and dark energy are .
@@uppercut2246 you ARE aware I hope that even our sun is NOT UNDERSTOOD ??? There is no definitive explanation for solar cycles ( 22 years each of 11 years max 11 years min ) yet these old ( and young ) astronomers blare on about their DEEP SPACE KNOWLEDGE !!! Nikola Tesla knew more than all these guy's put together. Einstein said as much when talking about Tesla. Tesla laughed at these people like a comedy show.
@@uppercut2246 You are right. But we need these concepts. Money is also just a concept (otherwise it would be just a piece of paper or a number), but still we need it.
What!? Penrose is a pretty hard nosed egomaniac. He gets frustrated very easily. He's a genius and like most people of genius, they are very aware of the fact. Just cause he's old and wearing a cardigan doesn't make him a very nice man. The world's full of very nice men, they're everywhere.
For those stating you could easily offer your own theory, just as Sir Roger has done. Consider this, the professor is speaking in almost plain English so non-cosmologists can somewhat grasp his thesis. Had he been conversing with any number of the world’s current top 10 cosmologists, the vast majority of us wouldn’t comprehend what was being spoken. Don’t kid yourselves, just the math knowledge alone needed to get to this man’s level is beyond that of all but a few hundred living individuals walking on this planet.
I have only a tiny fraction of Penrose's intellect, but I came up with a similar idea a long while ago, that a Universe without mass has no scale and can thus "jump" to a big bang condition. This based on the idea that eventually black holes consume all matter then radiate it again as photons via Hawking Radiation (the timescale is colossal and means our universe of stars and galaxies is a relatively very brief transient phase at the very beginning before the painfully slow black hole era comes to dominate).
Peterson understands very little outside his of PhD. He also has some skill manipulating sophomoric minds with logical fallacies and making old wiasdom sound original.
When I saw that Jordan was there I almost noped out, but I am glad I stayed. I have heard that the "Big Bang" wasn't beginning before but it wasn't explained this well.
@@hardeveld50 All the non-Petersom bits were great. Jordan's fawning was cringe worthy. His fans should not how differently Peterson behaves around genuine geniuses. He has to drop the logical fallacies and manipulations.
@@protoxus because as far as we can tell (probably), we live our lives, die and that's it. Even if that should repeat in infinity, it will feel entirely the same, right? And there's nothing to be done about it, otherwise the loop wouldn't exist in the first place. So nothing to worry about :)
@@davidstevens3934 honestly your right, but we don’t really know if that’s true. It’s important that we as a species try to advance and prosper since it’s the most reasonable thing we do.
@@protoxus Some philosophies impact our societies and way of thinking very directly, and some are just not very relevant on a day to day basis. I'd say this is one of those that don't really matter unless it's actually proven to be true, and even then... what does it specifically change about our behaviour if we believe it?
He's talking about the big fizzle, how once every particle decays to just photons (or energy if you like), then there is nothing left to have dimension (or time) so BOOM, another big bang starts. There's no big crunch, everything just fizzles out and starts again.
@@philharmer198 there's a possibility that everything (protons and neutrons included) will eventually decay to nothing, just like radioactive materials decay, but the timeline for such events is extraordinarily long. That's what he's talking about. But because those timelines are so long it's impossible to say right now if that will happen, because the half life is so incredibly long.
Either there was a "beginning" or there was no "beginning." However one defines beginning in this sense, neither possibility makes any real sense, nor does either one feel right. I can't explain it any better, but the concepts of either an eternal, a cyclic, or linear universe just makes something in my psyche itch.
@@Tyrell_Corp2019 No, I think the reference here is a light-hearted one. In the UK we have a tradition of "national treasures" you know! We just like the idea of them being "protected" ... daft but there you are.
Consider this: Space & Time go together as a single unit, containing all the ways--in-which-matter-&-energy-can-be-displaced (= dimensions). If all Space/Time is shrunken down to a singularity, what meaning could the isolated idea of Time (by itself) have, in such a (non) situation? So then there is no way to sequence events in terms of 'before' or 'after'. (In fact, in that circumstance there are no Events at _all,_ anyway.) Our brains can only think relative to our simple conception of a continuum of time, stretching beyond sight in both directions, relative to our experience of 'Now'. That's the fixed background assumption, against which we plot/sequence events-that-are-relevant-to-human-life. But that way of conceiving is just a limitation of the human mind, isn't it? That doesn't mean our Time idea corresponds to how Space/Time works.
But, after all, who knows and who can say, whence it all came and how creation happened? The Gods themselves are later than creation,so who knows truly whence it has arisen?- part of Creation hymn- the Rigveda.
@@jp-jb1bw I have no intel on 'the gods', but I feel pretty confident that our human brain's way of sequencing time (= lining up the befores & afters) are of no use, once space-time itself collapses into a singularity. Because space-time is a structure of displacement; and by definition, a singularity is the condition of No Displacement At All.
Got to love Sir Roger Penrose - he has that very special quality of being anxious or obsessed (or both) about answering the most fundamental questions.
That is a very interesting question. I’ve wondered that myself. I would imagine there would be some changes because of “randomness” of particles bouncing off one another. But if there’s bigger changes like the constants and such? Great thought experiment. Or did you mean something else and I missed it?
Peterson: I'm not sure what you're saying Penrose: I'm not sure I can make you understand what I'm saying Peterson: so what you're telling me is physics is hard to fully understand Penrose: physics is really hard to understand, yes.
Penrose is like Newton trying to convince the Church that angels are not driving the planets. He is still being reverent, but knows things are not quite figured out. One of the assumptions that big bang theorists make is that the universe should look roughly the same from any viewpoint. They often neglect time in this assumption, but Penrose is starting to catch on that time is kin to space.
in some book i have read explanation of how space-time continuum looks, if you imagine space and time as 3d graphics, where big bang is beginnig, it looks like bottle, where big bang is a bottle cap, bottle has no bottom now, coz space is still expanding....
Albert Einstein, like everyone else at the time, believed in a static universe, which is the equivalent of having a pencil with its tip on a flat table, perfectly balanced. To reconciliate this he introduced "lambda", a mathematical constant to make sense of an unmoving universe. I commend Peterson for the topic, but he is obviously green in many areas of this discussion.
Of course, all devoted thinkers and scientists are mostly like that. That makes such a group of people different than the general mass of black fridayers, churchgoers and warmongers, for example.
@@KibyNykraft Ah yes scientist are the new priests of society all bow to the altar of science and how noble and great they are. Give me a break you have traded the truth of God for a lie congrats.
Why is he talking about science? Fine if he's taken on the role as show host/interviewer but that's a skill in itself which requires one to... not focus on oneself.
Even in that end it's like lottery, you'd have to wait an insurmountable amount of time (relatively speaking) and then the odds of an entirely different random kind of universe with different physics would likely emerge. That's my lay understanding.
Wow i've been reading a lot lately about the nature of time but this one interview and what Penrose said at the end is the most profound insight i've yet seen on youtube (or even read) 🙀😳
No end. No beginning. It just is. Endless. Infinite. No walls. No outer shell. Brains don't like it much. I know mine doesn't. But it cannot be any other way except endless.
Ha! I totally understand how you feel. Every time I _start_ to THINK I have an idea of what's being taught, something is said that throws me back to square 1.
Not a hope in hell. I think I am a reasonably intelligent individual, but I seemed only able to follow the words with the vaguest of comprehension before sagely nodding to myself, confidant that I have the intellect of a pea brain.
Don't ask me about the maths but conceptually it's fairly simple. 1. The universe is expanding and every structure like planets and galaxies are decaying into an homogenous soup of simple particles. Everything pretty much looks the same whichever direction you look in. No structure. 2. That uniformity is exactly what the early universe looked like, trillionths of a second after the big bang. No structure. 3. The only difference is that the beginning of the universe was really small compared to the future universe which is unimagineably big. 4. What Roger's saying (I think) is that the size difference is of no importance. In terms of geometry they are the same as size doesn't come into the equations. so the whole thing starts again but at a different scale and will do again and again forever. see simple. LOL.
In 1964 Peter Higgs published his work predicting a new particle that later became known as the HIggs boson. This was dome using pure math before a time where advanced computers were available. It took 48 years and the construction (and massive upgrade) of the Large Hadron Collider to actually capture an image of one. Science knows, understands and can demonstrate physics you've never even heard of and scientific theories are always tested when published. The fact that Roger Penrose (and Peter HIggs) was awarded a Nobel Science Prize should have been enough to suggest you should have kept you ignorant mouth shut. The fact you don't understand what he says is your failing but I bet that's true of much in your life.
Roger Penrose never fails to be impressive and I always enjoy listening to him, but by far his greatest achievement in this interview is to bring the average IQ of interviewer and interviewee up to 12.
It sounds like what Roger is talking about is distortion. In VisualFX we use gazing globes (chrome balls) to create 360 degree images of a scene. On the edge of the globe the surrounding environment is heavily distorted, but the information is still present. With the help of software we can unwrap the distortion and create a flat rectangular image that can be used to light a CG element. HDRI is specifically what I'm referring to and it sounds almost exactly how Roger is explaining this by using the M.C. Escher example.
Your spiritual energy is not bound by mass. The big bang is where the physical realm meets the spiritual realm. Time was created in the physical, intelligence in the spiritual-both need each other to exist. Without either there is neither
Extraordinary! That's one of the most inspirational things I think I've seen in ages.... may I suggest that the introduction of the flow of time, is what initiates the formation of mass, since through motion, the intersections within the lattice, as they warp/collapse/fold would cause the photons to intersect, which would create the conditions for density.... thus creating mass...? And could it be possible that the quarks that make up the photons, are actually what maintain the lattice... and that photons emerge as a result of the density of quarks intersecting along their flow lines? Not sure if that was worded as effectively as it could have been... but hopefully the idea is there, or something approximating what it actually would be....
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Does that potentially mean that conditions for a "new big bang" were the conditions of what we know as the big bang, and because of the dissolution of time reference could be one in the same? Like an infinite loop, possibly repeating itself?
There was a big fart before the big poop lol
Go back to watching cartoons Penny
@@michaelmckinney7240 l thought that was your guys specialty..nope cartoons for me ..if your not busy head over to NASA they are tracking space turds right now.. reviting
@@lrescue_do_N_cts Thank you Penny for your gentle reply. Have you always had such an interest in human excretory function?
Only in the reference frame of an asshole...
@@michaelmckinney7240 yes that's what dirt is just old turds lol
In his lectures at university, Roger would draw his diagrams anew every time using coloured pens on a flip chart (which became a whiteboard). No pre-prepared materials that I ever saw. It made his lessons much more interesting because he knew/sensed that it was the dynamics of the the drawings evolving that gave us the learning (as each new connection was made). I always admired him for this small thing.
I envy you.
He was demonstrating the imaginative power of the brain on fire with learning and evolution of theory as he taught...like watching the way a wildfire evolves with the landscape, fuel, temperature and wind...our brains in the process of thought and learning are just like that fire! Penrose was giving you a window to what was happening in his mind as he put all that together!!! Fire. Very symbolic, agree do you not?
Hey, you are a lucky man to have met him. CG? We are not related I presume.
"The Big Bang wasn't the beginning." True. But that's only because there was no beginning.
The Big Bang Theory is just that, a theory. And the theory that the Big Bang wasn't the beginning is also a theory.
And theories are determinations made by scientists. Just as the rest of us make determinations in every day life.
To say "The world begins at this point and did not previously exist" is an attempt to discover a determinate meaning. Which is itself a mode of determination woven into a vast tapestry of previous determinations.
In short, it's impossible to make a new beginning.
I'm worried about Penrose. He now disagrees with some of the things he previously demonstrated daily. Things he knew at the time were facts.
He was always a little flowery in fairness... But these days he seems to be in full weird mode. Well perhaps not full weird mode...but he's working on it.
This guy is more lucid at 91 than I am at 41.
I need to step up my game.
😂😂😂 Don’t be too hard on yourself…you are not alone!
Same Joe, same
Patience, friend. In thirty years you will catch him up. You`ll be only 71. No way he will be this smart at 121.
just take drugs and enjoy the ride, hes just good at convincing you his guess is the right one
Roger must share his diet plan and workout routine to the young generation.
At 91 years old, most people struggle to function, but Sir Penrose is explaining to us how the Universe works. This man is a legend.
A legend in the making, he will be great
@Mad Musings That's what I was thinking. Smart man. Might not be right though.
He's 91? From his appearance, I thought he was in his 70s.
Cuz people need to eat saturated fat
he rambling you mean like that old dude at the post office lol
Jordan Peterson trying to finish his sentences to maintain being the smartest man in the room, even when he’s not.
🤣
You just hate Peterson. Probably because he bursts your bubble in social issues. Peterson was simply asking questions on a topic he is at minimum better informed than you.
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It depends on how do u define *define*🤡
This guy is talking over Jordan’s head. There’s levels to genius
I think Penrose did a great job putting it in laymen's terms. Basically when all the mass in the universe disapates into massless photons, most of the things that define reality as we know it time, distance, size, etc... go with it as those are the creation of mass, which allows photons to go wild, which creates an enviroment that recreates mass from the energy of their unrestricted movements, and that creates a new big bang. This generates an eternal cycle.
Thing of the massless photon universe as an ocean of pure chaos, from that chaos order (mass arises), eventually entropy (chaos) destroys that orders, so that it desolves back into a ocean of chaos (universe of photons without the limiting rules of mass) whose unrestitcted energy, free from the rules of mass, allow it to give rise to mass again. It all very Greek to me.
There IQ may be the same the issue is not genius it's one of competence. You could reverse this quite easily talking about somethibg else.
For sure, such as Psychology@@mattk1358
He looks so great for 91. Really astonishing.
I’ve lost passion in life and I started listening to this great mind, now I have found my purpose. Thank you sir, you are a great gift to humanity ❤
What purpose? He's just a stupid little man full of dumb imaginings. He denies his Maker and will end in hell. And you will follow him there? What a horrid gift you've received.
He's definitely a great mind. I heard him in an interview that when he concluded that the universe would end up being photons, he became depressed. I understood that this could be the factor that led him to propose the possibility that this physical state gave rise to the formation of a new universe with new implicit possibilities. In that sense, did the passion for living return to you?
You need to find Jesus. He is the key to life and purpose. When I have any problems in life, I ask myself what would Jesus do? And then a calmness comes over me and I also know the answer after speaking with him. I was once stressed out due to world hunger and climate change. I asked Jesus what he would do, and he suggested I smoke a joint and forget about it. It really helped to relieve my stress that day and now I pretty much stay high and have no worries.
No religion needed. Just science.
Great minds are just curious minds. Very curious minds. Be curious.
when you are trying your darndest to comprehend but in all honesty, you havent a clue, yet you watch and listen to the end as its so captivating and intriguing... sounds like this oke really knows his stuff
I hear ya.
We are like children with questions about how something (complicated) works. Rodger Penrose is like: "oh how do I explain it to them?...It really can't be properly explained to them, but I can give them a super-basic idea of what I'm getting at".
Dont believe him where have you been on the Moon.
To simplify what I understood about his already simplified explanation, the state of the universe preceding the big bang is remarkably similar to the eventual "end" state of the universe (given what we know about how its expanding/entropy/etc) so eventually, once all things have decayed and only massless photons of pure energy exist, another big-bang-like event may eventually occur...
Or something like that? xD
@@crookeddesk what bakes my noodle is when he suggests that the universe no longer knows its size when everything has decayed.
I guess he's saying that size isn't a thing, when the only thing which exists are photons which don't experience time.
"Infinity is just like anywhere else" is a brilliant explanation.
No that's not a good explanation 😕
@@iamBlackGambit I agree.
@@richardl1275 what caused this supposed bang?
It's just human beings with authority complex
@@iamBlackGambit the fact that true nothing is a high maintenance state, means some sort of asymmetry always occurs, that eventually leads to some kind of vacuum energy
Imagine being so cognescent at 91 years old
May he live for another 91 years.
If he were only made of photons, he might. Alas..
@JZ's BFF Given Penrose's privilege and the state of the planet, you may not live long enough to collect.
@JZ's BFF you’re hilarious
No human has ever lived to be 120.
@@soulcells Jeanne Calment
Socrates: "For I was conscious that I knew practically nothing..."
Just remember that
Next time you adamantly believe to be correct
The problem in understanding new physical ideas is that our imagination is clogged with misleading metaphors like "big bang". If you called it "Big X" and don't think of an explosion or other nonsense, then it's easier to free your mind for new thoughts. Math works without metaphors, which is why translations to real life are so obscure, impossible, or difficult.
I can almost hear Yoda telling Luke: "You must unlearn what you have learned!" 😅
I can almost hear Yoda shout: kill me...
@@hjuikkll Are you sure that wasn't Kermit the Frog?
It’s not that complicated basically your on a rock made out of earth in space which inhabits another space where there’s little things so small you can’t see them and god made that so behave and be nice to yourself and others and it might work out for you.
The end of the universe is the starting point of the beginning of a universe... How eloquent, mystical and poetic. I like the concept
There is also the Big Bounce theory which is similar to Penrose's idea.
Thats stupid, think
@@justwannabehappy6735 yes, big bounce is a bit different. It shrinks and then there is another big bang which creates the universe. In Penrose's theory the universe does not shrink. After there is no mass in the universe you cannot distinguish between big and small distances because the photons experience no time. our do not know how much time you need to pass a distance because there are no objects for reference. Without this space reference, the photons do not know their energy density so the energy density of the entire universe would not be defined. So you have all photons in the universe but there are no defined distances between those photons. Without a defined distance your relative position to other photons is 0. This means all photons of the universe are at at the same "place". A place does not really exist but they are all together. The "size" of the universe gets "setted" to 0 because as explained you have no measurement tool (mass) to measure distances. All photons of the universe together would be a huge amount of energy density so another big bang would happen.
The main difference between this and the big bounce is the course of the end. The universe decays and shrinks not because of the massiveness of mass but because you have no mass.
Personally I like this theory because it shows and enforces relativeness.
I used to scoff at the idea, but more and more, I am starting to think that it is very likely that we are living in a simulation possibly MANY layers away from true base reality. There are many things that make me think this is likely true, but probably the existence of the Planck constant which eludes to the digital nature of energy as well as the observer effect (wave function collapse) of quantum mechanics are the main ones.
If that is the case, then it may well be that the entire lifetime of our universe will happen in just a very short time in base reality. We may very well be just a few fleeting clock cycles in some vast complex hierarchy of software. Of course, the problem there is if true, we will likely never be able to prove it.
@@heinrich6294 Nice. Thanks
I love this CCC theory. Penrose connecting the last moments of this eon to the beginning of the next. Its brilliant and simple and amazing.
I think what he's saying is, at the end of this aeon, the universe will have a "time death", which will trigger off another big bang.
@@70AD-user45 What started the first big bang though? It's impossible for nothing to create something. Something outside of our universe started our existence.
And demonstrably false. He's pulled a Linus Pauling -- he won the Nobel and went completely insane. His Conformal Cyclic Cosmology has been ruled out but he insists that not only is it not ruled out but that it's proven. Not to mention his outright illegal fraudulent work in the field of consciousness, still holding to Orch OR which has also been completely ruled out.
@@mv3380 That's a faulty argument because then that thing becomes the mystery of what started it, and you either say that it always existed or something else started it, resulting in the same exact idea as the Universe model presented here. So it's simpler to just stick with the Universe since we don't have any evidence or math for something outside of a Universe (aside from math for a multiverse theory, which runs into a similar problem). Also, you can't say impossible on the level of fundamental physics. It's all magic. What the hell is existence anyway? It can follow any rule imaginable and unimaginable.
@@mv3380
You can either say the big bang has been going on eternally in the past without beginning and without end, which doesn't make sense, or someone created the first big bang...God.
I've heard this theory before and I like it. Basically, if all matter in the universe decayed into photons, because photons don't experience time, all distances become zero for the photons. From the photons' perspective, they all occupy the same point in space. This is a singularity, all the energy of the universe at a single point. It is both infinitely large and infinitely small. Why that results in a big bang and conversion of photons into other forms of matter I don't know.
Because the photons get bored. Or they decay in some circumstances.
@@cleanerben9636 I don't think I've ever heard of photon decay. How would a photon decay if it is a timeless particle anyway? There is no such thing as half-life. I will assume you're joking with the bored part lol
@@radscorpion8 hmm that’s very interesting. There are certainly sub-particles smaller than protons but do protons actually decay?!?!
That’s a very eloquent way of putting it,I appreciate your clarification
There is a phenomenon when photons strike each other which is that two particles are formed. - 1 matter, 1 antimatter - Most time they collide with one another, but when they don't... the matter collects with other matter... stars, systems (consisting of planets and other celestial bodies) form. - The antimatter, however, I've theorized is what makes up what is known as dark energy.
Roger, just say INFINITY!!
No up without down, no down without up. No life without death, no death without life.
“We are just waves in time and space, changing continuously, and the illusion of individuality is produced through the concatenation of the rapidly succeeding phases of existence.”
- Nikola Tesla
I don't understand any of this, but it's still fascinating!
I needed to listen to it 4 times before understanding his ideas. Mindblowing, and confusing for a layman like me. Physics is so fascinating
It's only confusing because it's so simple.
It's quite a simple ideea the way he explains it but there's something missing. The trigger for the big bang acurring .
Conditions prior to the big bang are similar to conditions in the distant universe, as all mass turns into energy the ideea of size and time dissapears. Since there is no size, there is no difference betwen infinity and a infinately small point. ......I can go down the rabbit hole of the argument but, what triggers the big bang ?
@@think2invest Penrose has explained that his theory's version of inflation is caused by the dark energy of the previous universe.
Sir Roger Penrose is one of humanity's greatest treasures. I hope we still have him around for a while.
I agree wholeheartedly. So much so that it pains me to see him forced to suffer fools like the Lobster Man with what precious little time he may have left.
@@Timkast Seems to be enjoying his conversation with “lobster man” to be honest and why wouldn’t he. They’re both hyper intelligent albeit in very different fields.
@@jackbrooking4754 Jordan Peterson is an intellectual fraud and a philosophical hack.
@@Timkast Oh my god. Give it a rest. He’s a clinical psychologist by trade. He discusses philosophy for the most part which is a subject without a ‘right’ answer. So do explain how he’s intellectually dishonest or a hack. He’s not a physicist and doesn’t claim to be one but He’s smarter than the two of us put together. So stop throwing stones in that glass house if yours.
@@jackbrooking4754 I agree with you mate and I'm sure if Robert didn't want to talk to him he wouldn't so @timkast podcast who the hell are you to tell anyone let along sir Robert, what to do with there time!!!
After listening to a rap song I came to see this video and my brain expanded and retracted like the big bang. Now, it all makes sense.
This should be titled: Jordan Peterson finally shuts up and listens as he realizes he cannot bullshit an actual genius.
Wonderful having Mr. Penrose with us and we know of him. What concerns me more is the destitute farmer in some poor country that is smarter than Mr. Penrose that we don't know about. We need these people. We need to find them.
Wow
Roger Penrose ❤ what a legendary guy
Penrose wrote some of the best EM design books , some of which I use in Antenna design during the 1990s.
I think I've heard of this somewhere before. How when the universe essential becomes just photons / heat, the conditions become such (through repeated, unlikely deviations on the quantum level) that a big bang can take place again. Since time is non-factor at that point, a big bang event becomes inevitable through those however unlikely deviations. There is no "big crunch" in the physical sense.
photons arent real.
light is a dielectric field perturbation of the aether and matter is a coaxial circuit of this light at a very high frequency
Wow if I was blind listening to him I would think he was 63 not 91. Damn. What a guy.
He doesn't look 91 either.
When you ask a question and hope you get back on track to finding out what the hell is happening
My grandma died at 91 last week. Big up the long living!
This wasn't a conversation, this was Penrose kicking asses.
It all sounds good in theory, truth is that we live a one tiny rock, revolving around a small sun. Not like people are ever going to leave our solar system.
Future generations will it’s only a matter of when
The Univeral expansion has pressure relief valves known as wormholes and black holes. When the pressure builds up and depending on how much pressure, this energy exits and re-enters the same way.
My take away -
I must be brilliant. As my hair is everywhere like his and nobody understands anything I say either.
Great video. Thank you 🙏🏽
It's above my pay grade but I like listening to him.
the scientists are so polite when talking to journalists
it is a common trait
What it all boils down to is we have no idea where we came from or where we are going. Live with it
After the Big Bang, the universe keeps expanding until the stuff that holds it together snaps and we have another Big Bang.
Says who?
Did you even watch the video?
What causes matter to form from a void? You need consciousness as an equation point or it can't work. This is both modern quantum and theoretical physics. If you need consciousness to make the equation work well then that implies a higher being of thought.
In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God. John 1:1 sound created matter says the Bible, science says the big bang, either way form and matter was formed from sound, sound is a frequency and vibration. Both require a consciousness.
@@sanderson9338 What caused god to form from a void then? Or do you get to cheat your own logic for that?
@@sanderson9338 What is a void and which theory do you believe proposes that matter forms from a void? You don't know quantum physics. You don't know theoretical physics. So, what are you trying to talk about here?
Penrose is a genius and far ahead of his time.
What time would that be?
@@7john7able 3.15pm.
@@7john7able In the remote future when there are only fotons
@@7john7able Exactly xD
@@7john7able ...amusing.
Over ten years ago they discovered many "bruises" in our universe caused by collisions with other universes which means the cosmos is far larger than first imagined. These circles of Universes interact just as colliding galaxies do and distant ones are detected by background radiation which has travelled trillions of years.
Moses 3:5 - "5 For I, the Lord God, created all things, of which I have spoken, spiritually, before they were naturally upon the face of the earth. For I, the Lord God, had not caused it to rain upon the face of the earth. And I, the Lord God, had created all the children of men; and not yet a man to till the ground; for in heaven created I them; and there was not yet flesh upon the earth, neither in the water, neither in the air;"
This was very helpful. Our understanding of time and space are developing. Thank you for sharing this. Roger Penrose is amazing in his teaching us the boundaries of our knowledge of our universe.
again,,,children starving....but l have given a theory ..eat well..//.JCM a Scot as all the REAL smart ones are,,,no point in ideas when your friends go hungry....
Developing?
It turns out that roughly 68% of the universe is dark energy. Dark matter makes up about 27%. The rest - everything on Earth, everything ever observed with all of our instruments, all normal matter - adds up to less than 5% of the universe. I mention this because they don't have a CLUE what Dark matter and dark energy are .
Time & Space are concepts, but do go on, this should be interesting.
@@uppercut2246 you ARE aware I hope that even our sun is NOT UNDERSTOOD ??? There is no definitive explanation for solar cycles ( 22 years each of 11 years max 11 years min ) yet these old ( and young ) astronomers blare on about their DEEP SPACE KNOWLEDGE !!! Nikola Tesla knew more than all these guy's put together. Einstein said as much when talking about Tesla.
Tesla laughed at these people like a comedy show.
@@uppercut2246 You are right. But we need these concepts. Money is also just a concept (otherwise it would be just a piece of paper or a number), but still we need it.
Roger Penrose is a patient (and very nice) man, there should have been a Nobel Prize just for that…
Yes you're 100% right. we should give out Nobel prizes for being nice and patient..
What!? Penrose is a pretty hard nosed egomaniac. He gets frustrated very easily. He's a genius and like most people of genius, they are very aware of the fact. Just cause he's old and wearing a cardigan doesn't make him a very nice man. The world's full of very nice men, they're everywhere.
The Nobel peace prize is reserved for people who are going along with the establishment of the new world order
@@tonkrogerio I mean the threshold for getting the Peace one seems pretty low tbh...
For those stating you could easily offer your own theory, just as Sir Roger has done. Consider this, the professor is speaking in almost plain English so non-cosmologists can somewhat grasp his thesis. Had he been conversing with any number of the world’s current top 10 cosmologists, the vast majority of us wouldn’t comprehend what was being spoken. Don’t kid yourselves, just the math knowledge alone needed to get to this man’s level is beyond that of all but a few hundred living individuals walking on this planet.
I have only a tiny fraction of Penrose's intellect, but I came up with a similar idea a long while ago, that a Universe without mass has no scale and can thus "jump" to a big bang condition. This based on the idea that eventually black holes consume all matter then radiate it again as photons via Hawking Radiation (the timescale is colossal and means our universe of stars and galaxies is a relatively very brief transient phase at the very beginning before the painfully slow black hole era comes to dominate).
It’s healthy for Jordan to listen and learn some 🙏🏼
Yes he’s quite a talker sometimes… his interview with Dawkins was pretty manic
I almost sympathize with his troubled mind.
Peterson understands very little outside his of PhD. He also has some skill manipulating sophomoric minds with logical fallacies and making old wiasdom sound original.
When I saw that Jordan was there I almost noped out, but I am glad I stayed. I have heard that the "Big Bang" wasn't beginning before but it wasn't explained this well.
@@hardeveld50 All the non-Petersom bits were great. Jordan's fawning was cringe worthy.
His fans should not how differently Peterson behaves around genuine geniuses. He has to drop the logical fallacies and manipulations.
So possibility that we are forever stuck in this loop?
Dunno if this possibility is more comforting or scary
I don't think it's something for us to worry about 😂
@@protoxus because as far as we can tell (probably), we live our lives, die and that's it. Even if that should repeat in infinity, it will feel entirely the same, right? And there's nothing to be done about it, otherwise the loop wouldn't exist in the first place. So nothing to worry about :)
@@davidstevens3934 honestly your right, but we don’t really know if that’s true. It’s important that we as a species try to advance and prosper since it’s the most reasonable thing we do.
@@protoxus Some philosophies impact our societies and way of thinking very directly, and some are just not very relevant on a day to day basis. I'd say this is one of those that don't really matter unless it's actually proven to be true, and even then... what does it specifically change about our behaviour if we believe it?
He's talking about the big fizzle, how once every particle decays to just photons (or energy if you like), then there is nothing left to have dimension (or time) so BOOM, another big bang starts. There's no big crunch, everything just fizzles out and starts again.
Fine . But there is always a particle(s) left when the photon is given off . The particle(s) are never completely destroyed .
@@philharmer198 there's a possibility that everything (protons and neutrons included) will eventually decay to nothing, just like radioactive materials decay, but the timeline for such events is extraordinarily long. That's what he's talking about. But because those timelines are so long it's impossible to say right now if that will happen, because the half life is so incredibly long.
@@jdmjesus6103
Protons and neutrons will never decay into nothing .
My brain got shy listening to this.
Either there was a "beginning" or there was no "beginning." However one defines beginning in this sense, neither possibility makes any real sense, nor does either one feel right. I can't explain it any better, but the concepts of either an eternal, a cyclic, or linear universe just makes something in my psyche itch.
He has been braking away publicly for a while now. Must be hard to do that in the mainstream. Respect is due.
Wooooossshh ! That's the sound of this conversation going over my head, lol.
"Infinity is just like anywhere else" Mind. Blown.
Roger Penrose must be protected at all costs
I think he's tougher than he might seem! Amazing guy.
from what? age? good luck
@@kirkhunter146 didn't work for you, did it
Protected from what? The secret cabal who stopped you from watching this video?
@@Tyrell_Corp2019 No, I think the reference here is a light-hearted one. In the UK we have a tradition of "national treasures" you know! We just like the idea of them being "protected" ... daft but there you are.
Consider this: Space & Time go together as a single unit, containing all the ways--in-which-matter-&-energy-can-be-displaced (= dimensions). If all Space/Time is shrunken down to a singularity, what meaning could the isolated idea of Time (by itself) have, in such a (non) situation? So then there is no way to sequence events in terms of 'before' or 'after'. (In fact, in that circumstance there are no Events at _all,_ anyway.) Our brains can only think relative to our simple conception of a continuum of time, stretching beyond sight in both directions, relative to our experience of 'Now'. That's the fixed background assumption, against which we plot/sequence events-that-are-relevant-to-human-life. But that way of conceiving is just a limitation of the human mind, isn't it? That doesn't mean our Time idea corresponds to how Space/Time works.
But, after all, who knows and who can say, whence it all came and how creation happened? The Gods themselves are later than creation,so who knows truly whence it has arisen?- part of Creation hymn- the Rigveda.
@@jp-jb1bw I have no intel on 'the gods', but I feel pretty confident that our human brain's way of sequencing time (= lining up the befores & afters) are of no use, once space-time itself collapses into a singularity. Because space-time is a structure of displacement; and by definition, a singularity is the condition of No Displacement At All.
I need to stop watching things like this when I’m high AF. I have to rewind and watch it again now.
Got to love Sir Roger Penrose - he has that very special quality of being anxious or obsessed (or both) about answering the most fundamental questions.
What fundamental questions did he answer ?
Interesting. Going to have to ponder this for a while.
I wonder if there’s any variation with each cycle or whether it’s an infinitesimal loop of the same universe over and over again?
I think Penrose is implying it's the latter.
That is a very interesting question. I’ve wondered that myself. I would imagine there would be some changes because of “randomness” of particles bouncing off one another. But if there’s bigger changes like the constants and such? Great thought experiment.
Or did you mean something else and I missed it?
@@therick363 no misunderstanding you got it right
@@decard01 cool cool. Again, great question.
@@therick363 thank you
Peterson: I'm not sure what you're saying
Penrose: I'm not sure I can make you understand what I'm saying
Peterson: so what you're telling me is physics is hard to fully understand
Penrose: physics is really hard to understand, yes.
😂😂😂😂🙏
Penrose is like Newton trying to convince the Church that angels are not driving the planets. He is still being reverent, but knows things are not quite figured out. One of the assumptions that big bang theorists make is that the universe should look roughly the same from any viewpoint. They often neglect time in this assumption, but Penrose is starting to catch on that time is kin to space.
Wtf? What the heck are you smoking?
There is no beginning, there is no end, there is no such thing as time, there is only now.
in some book i have read explanation of how space-time continuum looks, if you imagine space and time as 3d graphics, where big bang is beginnig, it looks like bottle, where big bang is a bottle cap, bottle has no bottom now, coz space is still expanding....
Doesn’t there need to be, by necessity, more than this dependent physical stuff for there to be this dependent physical stuff?
Ancient concept. 🙏
I think I need to go back to videos of cats doing amusing things.
Like being dead and alive at the same time?
@@kubhlaikhan2015 Great answer, you amused me.
@@michalpetrilak3976 If you could see my cat it would be double amusing. Passed his sell by date for sure.
Albert Einstein, like everyone else at the time, believed in a static universe, which is the equivalent of having a pencil with its tip on a flat table, perfectly balanced. To reconciliate this he introduced "lambda", a mathematical constant to make sense of an unmoving universe. I commend Peterson for the topic, but he is obviously green in many areas of this discussion.
I love this subject it’s so interesting ♥️♥️♥️
Penrose is a great guy. Full of knowledge, and passion. Thanks a lot.
Of course, all devoted thinkers and scientists are mostly like that. That makes such a group of people different than the general mass of black fridayers, churchgoers and warmongers, for example.
@@KibyNykraft Ah yes scientist are the new priests of society all bow to the altar of science and how noble and great they are. Give me a break you have traded the truth of God for a lie congrats.
how about his theory?
Somebody tell Peterson we don‘t need his opinion on everything
Yes. I'm actually fairly fucking sick of this pompous, sanctimonious guy pontificating about everything.
Why is he talking about science? Fine if he's taken on the role as show host/interviewer but that's a skill in itself which requires one to... not focus on oneself.
Amen!!!!!!
I avoid Peterson at every opportunity.
@@lrvogt1257 same here!!!
Even in that end it's like lottery, you'd have to wait an insurmountable amount of time (relatively speaking) and then the odds of an entirely different random kind of universe with different physics would likely emerge. That's my lay understanding.
Wow i've been reading a lot lately about the nature of time but this one interview and what Penrose said at the end is the most profound insight i've yet seen on youtube (or even read) 🙀😳
Time never stops & time (& space) never had a beginning
Wow. Haven’t had this happen in a long time. Can’t say I understand but a door I didn’t know existed just opened.
It's like Kid Rock trying to interview Niels Bohr.😂😂😂😂😂
Not rly tho :P
More like Queen Latifah interviewing Kid Rock
In the same way that most of the comments are like Gomer Pyle wandering in to the Solvay Conference and nodding sagely.
No end. No beginning. It just is. Endless. Infinite. No walls. No outer shell. Brains don't like it much. I know mine doesn't. But it cannot be any other way except endless.
Sir Roger is an extraordinary man. If only we had more exceptional minds like his in the world.
I’m so glad Roger’s got that nice warm jumper. Someone’s clearly looking after him 🥰
i am never going to get it ever.
Ha! I totally understand how you feel.
Every time I _start_ to THINK I have an idea of what's being taught, something is said that throws me back to square 1.
Amen (no pun intended)
Not a hope in hell. I think I am a reasonably intelligent individual, but I seemed only able to follow the words with the vaguest of comprehension before sagely nodding to myself, confidant that I have the intellect of a pea brain.
Don't ask me about the maths but conceptually it's fairly simple.
1. The universe is expanding and every structure like planets and galaxies are decaying into an homogenous soup of simple particles. Everything pretty much looks the same whichever direction you look in. No structure.
2. That uniformity is exactly what the early universe looked like, trillionths of a second after the big bang. No structure.
3. The only difference is that the beginning of the universe was really small compared to the future universe which is unimagineably big.
4. What Roger's saying (I think) is that the size difference is of no importance. In terms of geometry they are the same as size doesn't come into the equations. so the whole thing starts again but at a different scale and will do again and again forever.
see simple. LOL.
@@steeleye2112 that's a really good summary actually
We probably been here million of times already…
clear as mud - an old man's ramblings about something that simply CANNOT BE TESTED!
In 1964 Peter Higgs published his work predicting a new particle that later became known as the HIggs boson. This was dome using pure math before a time where advanced computers were available. It took 48 years and the construction (and massive upgrade) of the Large Hadron Collider to actually capture an image of one.
Science knows, understands and can demonstrate physics you've never even heard of and scientific theories are always tested when published. The fact that Roger Penrose (and Peter HIggs) was awarded a Nobel Science Prize should have been enough to suggest you should have kept you ignorant mouth shut. The fact you don't understand what he says is your failing but I bet that's true of much in your life.
I'm not sure what Roger said, but I believe he is correct. : (
😂😂😂😂👍
I know that I have just been down the pub and had eight pints, but what a great chap and theory, loved it.
😉
Eight pints damn
@@SplendidFellow Easily done...
@@SplendidFellow Haha, it was a day at the football!
When there's nothing left but black holes and all the black holes merge, there's a new big bang. It's a cycle.
Thank you. Great synthesis of meaning was achieved.
Roger Penrose never fails to be impressive and I always enjoy listening to him, but by far his greatest achievement in this interview is to bring the average IQ of interviewer and interviewee up to 12.
Are you going to upload the rest of this? 9min just isn't enough.
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@@ansari1375 Thank you very much!
It sounds like what Roger is talking about is distortion. In VisualFX we use gazing globes (chrome balls) to create 360 degree images of a scene. On the edge of the globe the surrounding environment is heavily distorted, but the information is still present. With the help of software we can unwrap the distortion and create a flat rectangular image that can be used to light a CG element. HDRI is specifically what I'm referring to and it sounds almost exactly how Roger is explaining this by using the M.C. Escher example.
@John Smith it is though.
Thanks for sharing.
I think you might be on to something.
Reminds me of Holographic Theory.
Even a child would tell you that if there was a big bang, something was there that banged. Nothingness cannot bang.
Penrose is the reason i didnt immediately left this vid
ideology makes little sense in science debates
@@germanpenn indeed. As little sense as Peterson's theology.
Such a wonderful encounter.
@@germanpenn all human conducted science starts out as a ideology.
@@VeriStrawberi like the fate of snowflakes. Some flash freeze for posterity, and then we go the way we all go.
A flea trying to comprehend the dog it lives on is likened to humans comprehending the universe
Your spiritual energy is not bound by mass. The big bang is where the physical realm meets the spiritual realm. Time was created in the physical, intelligence in the spiritual-both need each other to exist. Without either there is neither
As a physicist, all I can say is: WOW. What a legendary conversation
It’s not a conversation. It’s an interesting soliloquy interrupted occasionally by an idiot.
Extraordinary! That's one of the most inspirational things I think I've seen in ages.... may I suggest that the introduction of the flow of time, is what initiates the formation of mass, since through motion, the intersections within the lattice, as they warp/collapse/fold would cause the photons to intersect, which would create the conditions for density.... thus creating mass...? And could it be possible that the quarks that make up the photons, are actually what maintain the lattice...
and that photons emerge as a result of the density of quarks intersecting along their flow lines?
Not sure if that was worded as effectively as it could have been... but hopefully the idea is there,
or something approximating what it actually would be....
the photon is the same singularity point, in super position across the universe...like instances of a clone
@@ViralKiller that's a proposed hypothesis. Why state it like a fact?
Time doesn't flow.
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The clock never stops ticking, but the clock can traverse T=0.
This was once explained in a PBS Spacetime episode and I was faszinated by it
I'm surprised Peterson didn't start crying
Everything that can happen, will happen, will continue to happen, forever.
Yes,,,,,and we are in the only place we can happen !!!!.😯😯😐😐..fun to think outside,,,,,,...........the boxed in....!...,,,,,,
He's almost arrived at the Indian concept of the cyclic nature of time or Yuga cycle
🙏🙏🙏
Yes isn’t it a “manvantaric period” and “praliya”, something like that I read once in a book on adviata/non-dualism?
Wow, that's interesting, and well worth the wait all the way to the very end.
Does that potentially mean that conditions for a "new big bang" were the conditions of what we know as the big bang, and because of the dissolution of time reference could be one in the same? Like an infinite loop, possibly repeating itself?
that was my understanding, yes
Without a doubt the most underrated genius of our lifetime.
It's a salutary thought that if you mentioned Sir Roger Penrose to 9 out of 10 people, they would not know who he is.