My Response to GAF Timberline HDZ "Peculiar Phenomenon" Commercial Have you seen latest GAF Commercial? Comment below your thoughts. Comment below if you ever have problems with blow offs and warranties.
@@Democracy65 I also want to see the 2023 reviews...Malarky has supposedly upgraded all their shingle class ratings..highlander is now class 3 and vista class 4
Experienced private family owned roofing business who truly care about their reputation and customers have switched to OC. The 3 layer nailing zones and the asphalt glue width speaks for itself.
Such a good topic. I was a superintendent for one of the largest residential roofing companies in the country and we used OC 100% of the time then about two years ago we switched to GAF. I loved the OC product line but GAF has more options for Title 24 compliance which is a requirement in Southern California with the heat. Biggest difference I’ve noticed is OC shingles have higher granule loss after install and higher levels of “tobacco juicing” so the question is will the OC shingles dry out faster? 🤔. I will say that my GAF rep is way more helpful then my OC rep was.
We use CertianTeed and never have blow offs. Guys are trained to hit the steep slope section. Does cause some low nails when installing but when guys have to change them they see how hard it is to rip out.
yeah but certainteed is so heavy are hard to move around. I worked for a company putting those things on and good god you're sore at the end of the day
FYI...I am a homeowner looking for a new roof. We have aTamko Heritage 35 year roof. It is now 30 years old and we have never had a single problem. No leaks, a few small breaks where an oak tree rubbed on it. We live in an area that gets wind as we are on a big hill. It is SW Va. We are replacing in the next few months because it has gotten so old. The homeowners company has questioned it. We are looking art the GAF Timberline HDZ line from a reputable company. Good choice? Comments?
I was a fan of GAF & Elk for decades with Ambassador, now Landmark TL & Presidential TL being my primary shingle of choice, however GAF’s shingles have become much lighter & when a roof failure was denied about 9 years ago I was finished- OC is not an option, very light & extreme granule loss and they mar up very badly, at least in the Southern California summers..My shingle of choice is Certainteed...if you can afford it Landmark TL or Presidential TL-
Your videos are so helpful to the homeowner!!!!! I've been able to sort out contractors selling IKO cambridge and tamco to possibly cut cost vs contractors using GAF, Atlas, certainteen. THANK YOU!!!!!
We use Pabco Premier here in the Pacific Northwest. I installed 1200 Pabco roofs and no blowoffs. I did some IKO and Gaf and had blowoffs including last November. Gaf Is horrible choice for cold weather install. Pabco easy to install in the winter and no blowoffs.
Roofing Insights I’m not impressed at all. Any shingle can withstand the wind without nails when it seals. Pabco Premier is thicker and heavier and will do better than Gaf if not sealed before warmer weather.
I install lots of GAF shingles as a sub and I can tell you they have problems. Like the double thickness is lower than the rest of the shingle, which makes it hard to keep straight. But I mean overall they're ok. I don't get call backs for blow offs and weird leaks. I think a lot of these shingle manufacturers are getting noticed more is because of the 50yr warranty they are claiming today. I'm pretty sure the people who install roofs know that's a false claim. The only roofs I think that can hold that title of being "lifetime" is slate, concrete, and metal. But asphalt shingles, no way.
I'm a homeowner and will have my roof replaced this month. I did minimal research including buying GAF and OC to hold them side by side. Without a doubt, OC blows GAF away. GAF had weird gouges on the face of several shingles, was losing way too many granules and the nailing zone was a joke. My neighbors had GAF installed and 3 years in it looks horrible with black mildew growth. I know there are better shingles than OC out there but will still go with it due to availability in my area. GAF is good for a shed.
We had a brand Denied warranty because they said the house had an adequate venting and the house had ridge vent on the entire thing. As well as full Soffit venting
I need a new roof asap and deciding on 2 contractors. One offers Certainteed Landmark and other GAF hdz. Please advise which one should I get and why. Thanks.
Thanks for the video. I need to have my roof done but I received quotes between $4800 to $9700!!! They all offer different types of shingles, ice and water shield, underlayment etc. Your videos really help me in deciding which shingles company to go for but the wide range of quotes is really confusing me and giving me big headaches!
@@tristonfitzpatrick4198 That’s the problem. They didn’t tell me the sqft but one of them told me it’s about 1800-1900 sqft. I’ve a Bungalow and my house is 1150 sqft, 28’width and 47’ length. I’ve no idea how steep because there’s an area higher than the rest. The company which quoted me $9700 offers CertainTeed Landmark, $7700 offers GAF Timberline HD, $5250 for Owens Corning and $4800 for IKO. Thank you in advance
@@kittyng8959 You are more than welcome!!! My parents are both retired, educated Americans. They were so destroyed that they had to pay for a new roof and GAF would do NOTHING! GAF keeps asking me to talk privately with their warranty department. I did. They refuse to rectify the warranty issue, so.........I'm spending each night BLASTING their arrogance, thievery and anti-elderly stance!!!! You make your own decisions. I just want everyone to be informed!
I had a professor who worked for Gillette who told this story. A competitor came out with an ad where they stuck a knife into a Gillette razor, gave it a twist and the razor broke. Then they stuck the knife in their razor and it wouldn't break. Now Gillette knows that this has absolutely nothing to do with how well the razor works or how durable it is in the real world. But the ad makes their razor look cheap. So they completely redesigned their manufacturing process to make a razor that doesn't break when you stick a knife into it just because that ad made them look bad in away that resonates with people. Even if GAF can prove in testing that a pull test on the nailing strip doesn't really make the shingle any better in the real world, it still makes them look bad. The sales guy for the people selling OC shingles can go into people's houses and show the customer something they can see and touch that makes this shingle look better than the other shingle. Even if it isn't actually better, perception matters.
I have a Atlas Pinnacle roof that is 14 years old (new construction) and must be replaced due to poor workmanship after Hurricane Katrina. I've had 3 roofing contractors come out each pushing different products, Atlas, GAF & OC now I'm so confused on which way to go all I want now is a great job with a complete system.
Let me make it clear: atlas lasted 14 years (some competition will not last 10), you have hurricane damage and you think your failed due to poor craftsmanship? Can you explain?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 no hurricane damage. My contractor lost all his subs so roof was put on by basically guys in a truck. Plenty of nails now showing and numerous areas where nails missed nail line and were covered up with caulk. Those nails now are rusting. Ridge shingles always blowing off - 3 tab shingle was cut and used for this. FYI - I have learned so much on selecting a qualified roofing company.
I had GAF shingles installed on my roof in August 2008 in PA. They are currently peeling off, cracking and splitting. I missed the recall by one year. As a senior citizen on a fixed income i cannot afford to pay for a new roof. Does anyone know how to help me? I don't have the paper work for the original install but my new contractor knew immediately that there was a recall on them.
I watched a few of your comparison videos and went with GAF . The contractor delivered the HDZ for my reroof . Here in So. Alabama we get lots of gulf weather thru so I'm hopeful my choice will not be a bad one. Time will tell I guess. My contractor was pushing the Tampko line and your vids change my direction away from that company.
@@heftyhefty_ So far I am happy with it. We’ve had several really rough thunderstorms that had high wind gusts in the 60 mph range. It has held up perfectly. No raised shingles and no loss of granules. I may be imagining this but with the under lay and this better shingle our power bill this last summer was about 5% cheaper than the year before. Could be a cooler summer or a better product I don’t know, but my ac didn’t run as often. Bottom line I would use this shingle again…..but a year isn’t really proof of anything other than they were put on correctly as I have no leaks.
I had installed 31 solar panels on the existing roof of the used home I just bought here in Central Florida. The solar installer gave me five years to have a new roof installed and he would remove and remount the solar panel system without charge to get the new roof put on the house. I am considering the GAF Timberline system for my new shingles but I am looking for advice on the solar mounting system which will replace my original mounts. Is there a preferred system for mounting a Solar array on to a new Gas roof system?
i listened to many shingle manufacture'rs salesmen /representatives and they let me down over and over again, first with the certainteed horizon (defective) shingles, then GAF loss of granules after installation was insane, then IKO i thought i had found the best shingles out there and then after a year problems starting to appear with a defective sealant that caused shingle blow offs and cracks on the shingle due to loss of granules, also the so call zebra lines with the cambridge shingles they were horrible, forget Tamko so i guess you know what i install now they're not perfect but they've been great shingles so far.
@@rooferkyc9179 Thanks for that detailed info, I have OC on my roof, just had a hail storm recently and this roofer is trying to get me to switch to Timberlines. I don't feel good about Gaf especially after he gave me several full sheets of Timberlines HDZ. They felt thinner than my OC.
We only install GAF shingles. We never have blow off. We always use 6 nails. We've installed a lots of roofs over the last 5 years. We still use 6 nails with HDZ.
The codes tests, or the standards are based on tests of new products put down by the best or a good technician at a lab. They are not rating products in marginal conditions and certainly not improperly or over old substrates. Inside the companies they may do such tests. Another aspect to rating is they are often pass-fail. What you really want is tests to failure, if you could do such test in cold, old plywood and such you will learn about products quality. BTW most of our lab test have big variability - you need to test many - like 10.
I'm learning alot from your videos. I received 2 quotes from companies who uses different products. One uses OC quoted me 9800 for 1500 sq.ft roof with normal pitch. 2nd company uses Hdz and quoted 7500 . Not sure what to choose
That price point is what it should be, in South Florida that roof would be between 24 and 30,000. Totally taking advantage of homeowners and elderly here. Most roofers around here drive around in $80,000+ denali hd with another $40-50,000 in custom modifications. Bad enough to rip people off, but to put their company name on and show it off and pay their help pennies on the dollar is sad
I'm deciding between OC Duration and GAF HDZ. Ignorant home owner but learning quickly with Dimitri's help. My only issue with OC is their terrible multi-colored shingles. GAF has better colors. How much quality am I sacrificing by choosing the shingle based on GAF color? Is it worth it?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 yes. The contractor sells both and is recommending either of those two shingles but they first recommended OC. GAF got into the picture because I did not like OC colors. I am looking for brown color. OC browns are very dark.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 haha this is where myself and I think others start to see small amounts of bias traits. Just wanted to give you feedback.. 99 percent not bias but then small comments like this come up. Depending on tastes both companies have amazing colors is what I think a non biased response may be. Just a thought.. Love what you do man!
Hi, love your videos. Am planning to change roof out of pocket and one of your videos said to send you proposals and you will give your comments on which one looks best. How do I send these to you? Thanks for educating us all on this process as this is a huge out of pocket expense for many of us. Thanks again
To me if people criticize GAFs nail strip and GAF responds by saying you don't even need the nail strip they are just confirming the criticism is correct.
It's not a peculiar phenomena, it's the strength of the adhesive bond being able to withstand 150 mph winds. Nails only become a factor when adhesives fail and especially on steep roofs in which the adhesive fails.
We are near and work in one of the most windy cities in the country. We have seen thousands of installs from others and us as well, using GAF shingles and they are still intact. Very few I would say a hand full each year that have few shingles blow off. Hurricane sandy may have proved some of that.GAF just has a stronger market here. Each part of the country I'm sure everyone has the one that they use daily, because of how popular that shingle is in that region. I would love for them to turn the comments on! I will say after 20yrs in the industry GAF has stood behind there shingles and I have seen blow offs from GAF but not as bad as Certainteed, IKO and others seen over the years. OC shingles are now installed by companies here but still a newer shingle that would have to prove it's worth (in this area). Example we did a job on the bay with CertainTeed about 5 years ago and had to RIP them off a new construction house because they blew off. We installed GAF guess what? You guessed it they are still there and never had a call back.
Great feedback!!! Now we hear stories other way around from other parts of the country. We would love to review and test GAF shingles like we do all others. Numbers don’t lie. Thanks for sharing, and we are looking for solid roofing company to do company tour who installs GAF to show us install, history etc. would like to talk with you if you interested
@@RoofingInsights3.0 thank you I value your opinion! Numbers dont lie and one day when the time is right we can get down to it. In order to compare it would help market to market, we would need to see the same scenarios in real life situations. For instance if your in Let's say Chicago then we need to see all Manufactures with all dimensional shingles in the same class in that area and see how each has performed.
We will test them like they test them. ASTM standards end up in failures too, all class action failures passed ASTM tests... how about All brands will allow roofers and home owners leave feedback on Facebook for starters so people can leave both positive and negative feedback. Atlas maintains good ranking, can GAF enable their reviews?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Facebook is only one piece of the puzzle. It’s like Google... every restaurant on google is 4 stars. Cross-reference the same restaurant on Yelp, it might be 2.5 stars. There’s no one certifiably credible body for roofing or shingles, etc. Homeadvisor sucks but Facebook is hardly the golden ticket for factual information. There are companies whose entire existence revolves around creating bots and fake profiles just to leave positive reviews.
In general, most people only go out of their way to leave a bad review. Something has to get them to a level to want to take time to write something. For us, on a smaller scale of the industry, we have the chance to ask for reviews. From a corporate standpoint, they dont always get the chance to ask the end consumer and so their satisfaction rating is skewed, so it's easier to avoid inaccurate ratings by leaving the ratings off. It's the same situation with BBB. Rarely do happy or content people take the time to leave a a decent or good review. It's always the mad people who go out of their way to do it. Not saying it is right that these companies avoid it, but I do understand why. Also, from a manufacturers position, a lot of bad reviews I read on certain brands come down to poor workmanship; not the product itself. The homeowner doesnt understand this and so they blame the product. I see the same type of moronic reviews on Amazon. People leave 1 star ratings on great products because FedEx damaged the package or their package arrived late. It's unfair and inaccurate to some degree, even if a small degree.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 I use Atlas almost exclusively, so I definitely agree with you. I'm just saying that "most" people won't go leave a review unless asked or if they are unhappy. Plus, most of Atlas's positive reviews are from contractors, not homeowners. Scroll down and you'll see that homeowners are the ones that log in to leave a complaint about "shingles blowing off and Atlas won't pay." Chances are, they were nailed improperly and of course no manufacturer is going to cover that on a general warranty. Homeowners rarely understand this though and so they blame the product and the brand instead of the roofer.
That’s my point. GAF has 280k like on Facebook. They have army of installers. If they turn on reviews and ask contractors to share feedback they will get it. Why wouldn’t they? Look at Tesla, Elon Musk is not afraid of people testing it, talking about it, criticizing it, even mocking his presentation (failed). GAF presentation didn’t fail, we want to do it with them and see how others compare to their test too.
@@Russellsagecline If it is installation error, or if closed cell insulation in attic is involved, then I'm certain any manufacturer will deny the claim.... We have never had an issue with GAF or Atlas claims, albeit we have only had very few claims to begin with.
Gaf bought out elk they are terrible shingles. They only last around sixteen to twenty years. I've been roofing 37 years I have found that tamco has the least problems but all architectural shingles will leak on shallow pitch roofs. Factory testing is fine but real world testing is the best
GAF has had lots of claims. Im getting ready to get new roof and I'm swinging towards awens corning... The more I think about it the more it makes sense. GAF cam be purchased at home depot. Whats home depots business model? Great branding and even better margins. GAF has a prorated warranty and apparently their normally 50 year life time roof has dropped to 30. Mean while owens corning 50 year limited life warranty has zero proration until you hit the 25 year mark. Also, the roofer willing to do my OC roof is at 10k. The GAF roof is 13k. Great branding and even better margin. Im pretty sure I'm going with the OC. Roof. Now, the GAF installer quoted me for ridge vents and the little things that might make a roof look better. Do ridge vents really matter as long as the roof is properly vented?
Mostly Malarkey and OC. We spoke a bit yesterday over phone. I signed up for the roofing buisness school. Looking forward to diving into it over the weekend.
Roofing Insights, do not know what you mean by your comment. You can buy it, test it and then let the company comment if they choose to. Otherwise, it is a company that people will go elsewhere for data instead of your database. Plus, it may also give people a reason to perhaps buy gaf vs malarkey shingles. After all, based on your own test - Malarkey take the lead, thus far.
Roofing Insights Ive been in business 16 years and originally installed Elk but when GAF bought them out I was still on board with them. When OC Duration came out I started selling that as well. So mainly sell GAF HDZ and some OC TruDef Duration. I live 10 miles from the Texas Gulf Coast so wind mileage is important to me! Lately I’ve been concerned about selling the unlimited wind warranty GAF offers and haven’t yet but I will say there video was impressive.
What's going to happen is, the seal that goes across the shingle will trap water that goes between the seams and rust out the nails and eventually leak
The new GAF hdz sucks. The nail strip isn't any bigger whatsoever. And if I miss it still being well withing the lines then it just blows though. Their promotional video says u can hit anywhere between the lines...not true
We love Dynasty! We use that for primarily for houses that would look better with Dynasty than CT Max Def. Dynasty is a little more per bundle, but quality and the "wow" factor are whats important to us. We use Cambridge but usually for upgrading a customer from 3 tab. When i end up Roofing my house, it will definitely be with Dynasty!
My Response to GAF Timberline HDZ "Peculiar Phenomenon" Commercial
Have you seen latest GAF Commercial? Comment below your thoughts.
Comment below if you ever have problems with blow offs and warranties.
When is 2023 shingle review coming and are you familiar with Daltile roofing
@@Democracy65 I also want to see the 2023 reviews...Malarky has supposedly upgraded all their shingle class ratings..highlander is now class 3 and vista class 4
@skip741x3 What you heard is correct. We started using Malarkey this tear because of that reason.
Our company doesnt get complaints about blow offs with Timberline HDZ. We always install a starter shingle on the rakes as well as the eaves.
Experienced private family owned roofing business who truly care about their reputation and customers have switched to OC. The 3 layer nailing zones and the asphalt glue width speaks for itself.
Like your reviews-is GAF warranty still good if a roofing contractor has a GAF master elite certification, but subs out roofing job
Such a good topic. I was a superintendent for one of the largest residential roofing companies in the country and we used OC 100% of the time then about two years ago we switched to GAF. I loved the OC product line but GAF has more options for Title 24 compliance which is a requirement in Southern California with the heat. Biggest difference I’ve noticed is OC shingles have higher granule loss after install and higher levels of “tobacco juicing” so the question is will the OC shingles dry out faster? 🤔. I will say that my GAF rep is way more helpful then my OC rep was.
Thanks for your feedback!
Hello, I have the option of GAF armor shield 2 or certainteed climate flex. Is there one guys better than the other? Or just pick my favorite color
Do you like one over the other?
GAF Timberline HDZ "Peculiar Phenomenon" Commercial:
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We use CertianTeed and never have blow offs. Guys are trained to hit the steep slope section. Does cause some low nails when installing but when guys have to change them they see how hard it is to rip out.
Good practice but not easy task, Certanteed steep slow is like 1/2”, installers have to be extra focused. Good effort
yeah but certainteed is so heavy are hard to move around. I worked for a company putting those things on and good god you're sore at the end of the day
Same here KC. Common bond nailing and blow offs are rare
Will the GAF warranty be void if it is not installed by GAF certified contractors?
FYI...I am a homeowner looking for a new roof. We have aTamko Heritage 35 year roof. It is now 30 years old and we have never had a single problem. No leaks, a few small breaks where an oak tree rubbed on it. We live in an area that gets wind as we are on a big hill. It is SW Va. We are replacing in the next few months because it has gotten so old. The homeowners company has questioned it. We are looking art the GAF Timberline HDZ line from a reputable company. Good choice? Comments?
I was a fan of GAF & Elk for decades with Ambassador, now Landmark TL & Presidential TL being my primary shingle of choice, however GAF’s shingles have become much lighter & when a roof failure was denied about 9 years ago I was finished- OC is not an option, very light & extreme granule loss and they mar up very badly, at least in the Southern California summers..My shingle of choice is Certainteed...if you can afford it Landmark TL or Presidential TL-
GAF WILL DENY YOUR WARRANTY CLAIMS!!!
Your videos are so helpful to the homeowner!!!!! I've been able to sort out contractors selling IKO cambridge and tamco to possibly cut cost vs contractors using GAF, Atlas, certainteen. THANK YOU!!!!!
We use Pabco Premier here in the Pacific Northwest. I installed 1200 Pabco roofs and no blowoffs. I did some IKO and Gaf and had blowoffs including last November. Gaf Is horrible choice for cold weather install. Pabco easy to install in the winter and no blowoffs.
What do you think about their commercial of installing it with no nails? Would you try to reproduce this test?
Pabco impressed us this year. They are one of the few who enabled reviews on Facebook. Hope GAF will turn their on.
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I’m not impressed at all. Any shingle can withstand the wind without nails when it seals. Pabco Premier is thicker and heavier and will do better than Gaf if not sealed before warmer weather.
I install lots of GAF shingles as a sub and I can tell you they have problems. Like the double thickness is lower than the rest of the shingle, which makes it hard to keep straight. But I mean overall they're ok. I don't get call backs for blow offs and weird leaks. I think a lot of these shingle manufacturers are getting noticed more is because of the 50yr warranty they are claiming today. I'm pretty sure the people who install roofs know that's a false claim. The only roofs I think that can hold that title of being "lifetime" is slate, concrete, and metal. But asphalt shingles, no way.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and expertise, we welcome roofers on this channel and appreciate feedback!
Yeah, and GAF will deny warranty claims!!!!!!
I'm a homeowner and will have my roof replaced this month. I did minimal research including buying GAF and OC to hold them side by side. Without a doubt, OC blows GAF away. GAF had weird gouges on the face of several shingles, was losing way too many granules and the nailing zone was a joke. My neighbors had GAF installed and 3 years in it looks horrible with black mildew growth. I know there are better shingles than OC out there but will still go with it due to availability in my area. GAF is good for a shed.
I also like that test they did I always say it dose not matter how many nails you put if the the shingles don’t seal they will blow off
We had a brand Denied warranty because they said the house had an adequate venting and the house had ridge vent on the entire thing. As well as full Soffit venting
GAF WILL DENY WARRANTY CLAIMS!!!!! BE CAREFUL!
I need a new roof asap and deciding on 2 contractors.
One offers Certainteed Landmark and other GAF hdz.
Please advise which one should I get and why.
Thanks.
Certainteed
Thanks for the video. I need to have my roof done but I received quotes between $4800 to $9700!!! They all offer different types of shingles, ice and water shield, underlayment etc. Your videos really help me in deciding which shingles company to go for but the wide range of quotes is really confusing me and giving me big headaches!
What is the square footage of your roof? And how tall and steep is it. I’ll tell you what is a good price and too low to be true
@@tristonfitzpatrick4198 That’s the problem. They didn’t tell me the sqft but one of them told me it’s about 1800-1900 sqft. I’ve a Bungalow and my house is 1150 sqft, 28’width and 47’ length. I’ve no idea how steep because there’s an area higher than the rest. The company which quoted me $9700 offers CertainTeed Landmark, $7700 offers GAF Timberline HD, $5250 for Owens Corning and $4800 for IKO. Thank you in advance
GAF WILL DENY ALL WARRANTY CLAIMS!
@@Russellsagecline Thanks for the info. It’s good to know!
@@kittyng8959 You are more than welcome!!! My parents are both retired, educated Americans. They were so destroyed that they had to pay for a new roof and GAF would do NOTHING! GAF keeps asking me to talk privately with their warranty department. I did. They refuse to rectify the warranty issue, so.........I'm spending each night BLASTING their arrogance, thievery and anti-elderly stance!!!! You make your own decisions. I just want everyone to be informed!
I had a professor who worked for Gillette who told this story. A competitor came out with an ad where they stuck a knife into a Gillette razor, gave it a twist and the razor broke. Then they stuck the knife in their razor and it wouldn't break. Now Gillette knows that this has absolutely nothing to do with how well the razor works or how durable it is in the real world. But the ad makes their razor look cheap. So they completely redesigned their manufacturing process to make a razor that doesn't break when you stick a knife into it just because that ad made them look bad in away that resonates with people. Even if GAF can prove in testing that a pull test on the nailing strip doesn't really make the shingle any better in the real world, it still makes them look bad. The sales guy for the people selling OC shingles can go into people's houses and show the customer something they can see and touch that makes this shingle look better than the other shingle. Even if it isn't actually better, perception matters.
I have a Atlas Pinnacle roof that is 14 years old (new construction) and must be replaced due to poor workmanship after Hurricane Katrina. I've had 3 roofing contractors come out each pushing different products, Atlas, GAF & OC now I'm so confused on which way to go all I want now is a great job with a complete system.
Let me make it clear: atlas lasted 14 years (some competition will not last 10), you have hurricane damage and you think your failed due to poor craftsmanship? Can you explain?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 no hurricane damage. My contractor lost all his subs so roof was put on by basically guys in a truck. Plenty of nails now showing and numerous areas where nails missed nail line and were covered up with caulk. Those nails now are rusting. Ridge shingles always blowing off - 3 tab shingle was cut and used for this. FYI - I have learned so much on selecting a qualified roofing company.
Stop being cheap.
The 2 times we installed hdz they seemed really thin and would be pulled off if the guys stepped on the last line of shingle Installed
GAF WILL DENY WARRANTY CLAIMS!!!!!! GOOD LUCK!!!!
I had GAF shingles installed on my roof in August 2008 in PA. They are currently peeling off, cracking and splitting. I missed the recall by one year. As a senior citizen on a fixed income i cannot afford to pay for a new roof. Does anyone know how to help me? I don't have the paper work for the original install but my new contractor knew immediately that there was a recall on them.
Hello how close to NY NJ tristate area are you ? Maybye could help
I'm in Pittsburgh. I had to had a new roof put on this spring. I don't have the paperwork for the GAF shingles. Thank you.@Andrew-ki8ii
Are these shingles cool shingles ?whats the sri number?Anyone know the answer ,thanks.
I watched a few of your comparison videos and went with GAF . The contractor delivered the HDZ for my reroof . Here in So. Alabama we get lots of gulf weather thru so I'm hopeful my choice will not be a bad one. Time will tell I guess. My contractor was pushing the Tampko line and your vids change my direction away from that company.
Update on your roof? Also in Alabama needing to make a decision. Thanks!
@@heftyhefty_ So far I am happy with it. We’ve had several really rough thunderstorms that had high wind gusts in the 60 mph range. It has held up perfectly. No raised shingles and no loss of granules. I may be imagining this but with the under lay and this better shingle our power bill this last summer was about 5% cheaper than the year before. Could be a cooler summer or a better product I don’t know, but my ac didn’t run as often. Bottom line I would use this shingle again…..but a year isn’t really proof of anything other than they were put on correctly as I have no leaks.
I had installed 31 solar panels on the existing roof of the used home I just bought here in Central Florida. The solar installer gave me five years to have a new roof installed and he would remove and remount the solar panel system without charge to get the new roof put on the house. I am considering the GAF Timberline system for my new shingles but I am looking for advice on the solar mounting system which will replace my original mounts. Is there a preferred system for mounting a Solar array on to a new Gas roof system?
i listened to many shingle manufacture'rs salesmen /representatives and they let me down over and over again, first with the certainteed horizon (defective) shingles, then GAF loss of granules after installation was insane, then IKO i thought i had found the best shingles out there and then after a year problems starting to appear with a defective sealant that caused shingle blow offs and cracks on the shingle due to loss of granules, also the so call zebra lines with the cambridge shingles they were horrible, forget Tamko so i guess you know what i install now they're not perfect but they've been great shingles so far.
Do tell what shingle you use and why
@@RoofingInsights3.0 ,OC.
@@rooferkyc9179 Thanks for that detailed info, I have OC on my roof, just had a hail storm recently and this roofer is trying to get me to switch to Timberlines. I don't feel good about Gaf especially after he gave me several full sheets of Timberlines HDZ. They felt thinner than my OC.
We only install GAF shingles. We never have blow off. We always use 6 nails. We've installed a lots of roofs over the last 5 years. We still use 6 nails with HDZ.
What market/city are you in?
Cincinnati, Ohio
What’s the name of your company?
roofers dont follow warranty guidelines. people are stupid
Yeah....GAF DENIES WARRANTY CLAIMS, IMMEDIATELY!!!! THIEVES!!!!
The codes tests, or the standards are based on tests of new products put down by the best or a good technician at a lab. They are not rating products in marginal conditions and certainly not improperly or over old substrates. Inside the companies they may do such tests.
Another aspect to rating is they are often pass-fail. What you really want is tests to failure, if you could do such test in cold, old plywood and such you will learn about products quality. BTW most of our lab test have big variability - you need to test many - like 10.
I'm learning alot from your videos. I received 2 quotes from companies who uses different products. One uses OC quoted me 9800 for 1500 sq.ft roof with normal pitch. 2nd company uses Hdz and quoted 7500 . Not sure what to choose
Do not always go with price alone. When there is a price difference that big, do you research. GAF 100%
That price point is what it should be, in South Florida that roof would be between 24 and 30,000. Totally taking advantage of homeowners and elderly here. Most roofers around here drive around in $80,000+ denali hd with another $40-50,000 in custom modifications. Bad enough to rip people off, but to put their company name on and show it off and pay their help pennies on the dollar is sad
I'm deciding between OC Duration and GAF HDZ. Ignorant home owner but learning quickly with Dimitri's help. My only issue with OC is their terrible multi-colored shingles. GAF has better colors. How much quality am I sacrificing by choosing the shingle based on GAF color? Is it worth it?
OC has amazing colors
Do you have contractor?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 yes. The contractor sells both and is recommending either of those two shingles but they first recommended OC. GAF got into the picture because I did not like OC colors. I am looking for brown color. OC browns are very dark.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 haha this is where myself and I think others start to see small amounts of bias traits. Just wanted to give you feedback.. 99 percent not bias but then small comments like this come up. Depending on tastes both companies have amazing colors is what I think a non biased response may be. Just a thought.. Love what you do man!
Hi, love your videos. Am planning to change roof out of pocket and one of your videos said to send you proposals and you will give your comments on which one looks best. How do I send these to you? Thanks for educating us all on this process as this is a huge out of pocket expense for many of us. Thanks again
You can send it to me and I can review it for free if you’d like.
I don’t work for dimitri but I do roofing in California
IKO is not honoring wind warranty with dynasty. Wanting to pay for hand sealing a 40 square 12/12 2 story. 40$ a square installed last augest
Thanks for feedback! Tell me more! I want details. Dmitry.
To me if people criticize GAFs nail strip and GAF responds by saying you don't even need the nail strip they are just confirming the criticism is correct.
It's not a peculiar phenomena, it's the strength of the adhesive bond being able to withstand 150 mph winds. Nails only become a factor when adhesives fail and especially on steep roofs in which the adhesive fails.
GAF WOULD NOT RENEW DMITRY'S CERTIFICATION SO NOW HES FIGHTING WITH THEM
What is your honest opinion about Malarkey?
Love malarkey products!!! Best in business
You're right about homeadvisor...
Here is a phenomenon! ( Were is the Shingles / Why are they not available? ) Covid is no excuse for the industry!
I have used the timber line and nice shingles .like there cap too
I had problems with iko for curling up at bottom and put so many roofs down with them they didn't stand behind them. I know lay own Corning
I want to see this .can you also test everast
We are near and work in one of the most windy cities in the country. We have seen thousands of installs from others and us as well, using GAF shingles and they are still intact. Very few I would say a hand full each year that have few shingles blow off. Hurricane sandy may have proved some of that.GAF just has a stronger market here. Each part of the country I'm sure everyone has the one that they use daily, because of how popular that shingle is in that region. I would love for them to turn the comments on! I will say after 20yrs in the industry GAF has stood behind there shingles and I have seen blow offs from GAF but not as bad as Certainteed, IKO and others seen over the years. OC shingles are now installed by companies here but still a newer shingle that would have to prove it's worth (in this area). Example we did a job on the bay with CertainTeed about 5 years ago and had to RIP them off a new construction house because they blew off. We installed GAF guess what? You guessed it they are still there and never had a call back.
Great feedback!!! Now we hear stories other way around from other parts of the country. We would love to review and test GAF shingles like we do all others. Numbers don’t lie. Thanks for sharing, and we are looking for solid roofing company to do company tour who installs GAF to show us install, history etc. would like to talk with you if you interested
@@RoofingInsights3.0 thank you I value your opinion! Numbers dont lie and one day when the time is right we can get down to it. In order to compare it would help market to market, we would need to see the same scenarios in real life situations. For instance if your in Let's say Chicago then we need to see all Manufactures with all dimensional shingles in the same class in that area and see how each has performed.
Start testing in accordance with ASTM standards...
We will test them like they test them. ASTM standards end up in failures too, all class action failures passed ASTM tests... how about All brands will allow roofers and home owners leave feedback on Facebook for starters so people can leave both positive and negative feedback. Atlas maintains good ranking, can GAF enable their reviews?
Big advocate for you FYI, for several years I have thought about doing the same thing as you. But you beat me to it.
I whole heartedly agree. There is a big difference between ”meets astm” and ”exceedes astm”
Let’s do it together. I will come to you
@@RoofingInsights3.0 Facebook is only one piece of the puzzle. It’s like Google... every restaurant on google is 4 stars. Cross-reference the same restaurant on Yelp, it might be 2.5 stars. There’s no one certifiably credible body for roofing or shingles, etc. Homeadvisor sucks but Facebook is hardly the golden ticket for factual information. There are companies whose entire existence revolves around creating bots and fake profiles just to leave positive reviews.
Let’s stop all the leaks! Great punch line.
In general, most people only go out of their way to leave a bad review. Something has to get them to a level to want to take time to write something. For us, on a smaller scale of the industry, we have the chance to ask for reviews. From a corporate standpoint, they dont always get the chance to ask the end consumer and so their satisfaction rating is skewed, so it's easier to avoid inaccurate ratings by leaving the ratings off.
It's the same situation with BBB. Rarely do happy or content people take the time to leave a a decent or good review. It's always the mad people who go out of their way to do it. Not saying it is right that these companies avoid it, but I do understand why.
Also, from a manufacturers position, a lot of bad reviews I read on certain brands come down to poor workmanship; not the product itself. The homeowner doesnt understand this and so they blame the product. I see the same type of moronic reviews on Amazon. People leave 1 star ratings on great products because FedEx damaged the package or their package arrived late. It's unfair and inaccurate to some degree, even if a small degree.
Not true at all. Look up reviews for atlas shingles on Facebook. Few billion dollar company.
@@RoofingInsights3.0 I use Atlas almost exclusively, so I definitely agree with you. I'm just saying that "most" people won't go leave a review unless asked or if they are unhappy.
Plus, most of Atlas's positive reviews are from contractors, not homeowners. Scroll down and you'll see that homeowners are the ones that log in to leave a complaint about "shingles blowing off and Atlas won't pay." Chances are, they were nailed improperly and of course no manufacturer is going to cover that on a general warranty. Homeowners rarely understand this though and so they blame the product and the brand instead of the roofer.
That’s my point. GAF has 280k like on Facebook. They have army of installers. If they turn on reviews and ask contractors to share feedback they will get it. Why wouldn’t they? Look at Tesla, Elon Musk is not afraid of people testing it, talking about it, criticizing it, even mocking his presentation (failed). GAF presentation didn’t fail, we want to do it with them and see how others compare to their test too.
GAF WILL DENY WARRANTY CLAIMS!!!! THEY CHEATED MY ELDERLY PARENTS. TELL EVERYONE IN THE ROOFING BUSINESS YOU KNOW.....I AM!!!!
@@Russellsagecline If it is installation error, or if closed cell insulation in attic is involved, then I'm certain any manufacturer will deny the claim.... We have never had an issue with GAF or Atlas claims, albeit we have only had very few claims to begin with.
GAF DENIED MY ELDERLY PARENTS A WARRANTY CLAIM! BOY, THAT'S PRETTY LOW.......
Nail in the right spot
Why do GAF roofs have lines all over them?
Gaf bought out elk they are terrible shingles. They only last around sixteen to twenty years. I've been roofing 37 years I have found that tamco has the least problems but all architectural shingles will leak on shallow pitch roofs. Factory testing is fine but real world testing is the best
As long as above average roofing materials are used, the roof should last 20 years. I'm much more worried about the quality of the installation.
GAF WILL NOT STAND BEHIND THEIR WARRANTY........OH, AND THEY DENIED A CLAIM TO REPLACE A ROOF FOR MY ELDERLY PARENTS......SHAME ON YOU, GAF!!!!!!!
GAF has had lots of claims. Im getting ready to get new roof and I'm swinging towards awens corning...
The more I think about it the more it makes sense. GAF cam be purchased at home depot. Whats home depots business model? Great branding and even better margins.
GAF has a prorated warranty and apparently their normally 50 year life time roof has dropped to 30. Mean while owens corning 50 year limited life warranty has zero proration until you hit the 25 year mark.
Also, the roofer willing to do my OC roof is at 10k. The GAF roof is 13k.
Great branding and even better margin. Im pretty sure I'm going with the OC. Roof.
Now, the GAF installer quoted me for ridge vents and the little things that might make a roof look better. Do ridge vents really matter as long as the roof is properly vented?
GAF WILL DENY YOUR WARRANTY CLAIMS!!!
Gaf is a good shingle I've played tbem with out any problems
I've laid them with no problem
I also had good experience with everast
I want to pay a roofing company to install my new roof
how much they pay you
Lol. Go back and watch little bit past first 5 seconds before you comment again
Home advisor is the worst way to get leads I have never tried it cause it never made sense to me
When they say you can find satan on the internet: they mean Home advisor
@@RoofingInsights3.0 they are not just satan, they are just pezzi di merda!!!!!
If manufacturer wont do it, you should
What to expect from a paid promotion ?????????
Hope they go for it. 👍
We hope so too!!! Have been waiting to compare GAF HDZ this year, keep sending them invites
What do you install?
Mostly Malarkey and OC. We spoke a bit yesterday over phone. I signed up for the roofing buisness school. Looking forward to diving into it over the weekend.
Welcome to the school brother!!! Enjoy, reach out if you have any questions. Dmitry
Why not actually buy GaF and test it - do not have to wait for them to “give it” to you.
Unfortunately it’s not that simple. You can ask them for comment if they let us just to buy it and test it
Roofing Insights, do not know what you mean by your comment. You can buy it, test it and then let the company comment if they choose to. Otherwise, it is a company that people will go elsewhere for data instead of your database. Plus, it may also give people a reason to perhaps buy gaf vs malarkey shingles. After all, based on your own test - Malarkey take the lead, thus far.
Good Stuff!
Thanks you!!! What shingles do you install?
Roofing Insights Ive been in business 16 years and originally installed Elk but when GAF bought them out I was still on board with them. When OC Duration came out I started selling that as well. So mainly sell GAF HDZ and some OC TruDef Duration. I live 10 miles from the Texas Gulf Coast so wind mileage is important to me! Lately I’ve been concerned about selling the unlimited wind warranty GAF offers and haven’t yet but I will say there video was impressive.
U R THE BEST!!
Thank you!
What's going to happen is, the seal that goes across the shingle will trap water that goes between the seams and rust out the nails and eventually leak
interesting perspective, we didn't play with it, is it different than previous timberlines?
@@RoofingInsights3.0 not sure we at (Home Evolution) company don't use gaf. But I have seen this problem on the older duration shingles
What city/state are you in?
GAF doesn't have a solid tar strip, it's spaced. It will allow water to escape.
@@johnholmes8655 then Gaf is going to dominate
Tamko
Tamko is the worst roofing brand among second grade roofing brands
My distributor tell Atlas is better than certainteed shingles 😶
Watch our 2020 roofing shingle guide. Atlas did beat certainteed
You work for the company bye
The new GAF hdz sucks. The nail strip isn't any bigger whatsoever. And if I miss it still being well withing the lines then it just blows though. Their promotional video says u can hit anywhere between the lines...not true
They deny warranty claims, too!!!!!!
Here it is ua-cam.com/video/BNFR_wg4g8E/v-deo.html
Thanks!!! What do you think about it?
We don't use GAF. I refuse to. They're all marketing. We use IKO and CertainTeed.
What market/city are you in?
Houston, TX
How do you like dynasty?
We love Dynasty! We use that for primarily for houses that would look better with Dynasty than CT Max Def. Dynasty is a little more per bundle, but quality and the "wow" factor are whats important to us. We use Cambridge but usually for upgrading a customer from 3 tab. When i end up Roofing my house, it will definitely be with Dynasty!
Josh Pinter I was installing the dynasty, I loved it except for the granule loss.
Take a look at this video for a GAF real world performance review: ua-cam.com/video/hdk1oS_-_as/v-deo.html