2014 MV Agusta F3 800 - Middleweight Street Shooutout Part 1 - MotoUSA
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- Опубліковано 27 бер 2014
- Fresh off its first-ever victory in MotoUSA's performance sportbike track shootouts, MV Agusta enters the street contest in a better position than ever with its F3 800. The MV is set to mop up the competition... or is it? Read the full comparison: www.motorcycle-usa.com/9/17970...
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Seems to me Triumph should put an 800 or a 1050cc Daytona up on the board. I think we'd see real game changer.
thanks, i needed to hear that.
Still going to pull the trigger on one.
Did you even set sag, rebound comp before riding on the street, head shake can be caused by incorrect preload.
we got snoop dog in here
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I dreamed to take that bike's engine and put 2 of them front to back to make a 1.6 liter straight 6, in essence a shrunken 2JZ.
Translation for Adam waheed: this thing is as shitty as a hyosung but sexy like a ducati
It's strange that MV cannot tweak their MVICS right on F3s, Adam recently praised electronics on the naked Brutale Dragster with the same engine.
I believe the crew at motorcycle.com also recently praised the throttle on the F3 (might have been the brutale 800). It seems to me, each MV test bike is different.
darkchild4neverever
They recently said it wasn't too bad on the track, but ride it on the street and what seemed like little gripes became accentuated.
You're forgetting the Street Fighters are geared and tuned differently than the Super Sports. So of course the RBW (ride by wire) firmware is going to be different.
Same with Triumph Daytona vs Street Triple (even though neither have the RBW
electronics.
Different Gears, Forged Pistons vs Cast, Different fuel maps
I really dont get this review. i have 0 issues with my F3. No head shake, no head glitchy throttle, etc etc.
+USSR Gixxer must not be going fast enough. Though MV supposedly fixed the issues with throttling map, if you have the bike, you may have the new map, which is said to be much better. I'm looking to pick up a new 15' soon.
+Themayseffect U got the bike already? In 2-4 months im getting my F3 675
666JL666 no. Haven't found a good deal yet.
Themayseffect
Well new they arent cheap 2-3 thousand more than honda or yamaha for example.
But u do get an Italian and IMO the extra 2-3 thousand is worth the looks.
I mean look at it, sexiest bike in the world.
Are u looking for a used bike?
H.T.V. Blu
I have to agree with Adam here .. I think this iteration of an 800cc triple motorbike *properly sorted out* will not only worry the competition and the 1000cc folks I think it could potentially downright devastate them. I honestly do.
If MVAgusta gets the issues addressed that he is talking about I will sell my Triumph and get an MV. But not until then.
To recap. When I was watching the Daytona 200 earlier this year supersports 600 class) (Particularly the Daytona 675 which set the fastest lap times exceeding 186 mph. It makes me scratch my head and ask the proverbial question. Is (excessive) displacement really necessary ?? If a 700 - 800 cc motorbike can surpass the 200mph barrier (which I'm certain it could) I honestly believe that using more technology and less metal will be acme of a properly developed "SuperBike".
Seems between 700 - 800 cc's is where you get pretty much everything you ask for. (Perhaps why the MotoGP bikes are about 800cc's ?) Not sure. But Suzuki seems to have had the right formula for a high powered street bike all along. (the GSXR750) Yet we see no (to my knowledge) a series where a 700 - 800cc motorbike can compete in a field . Unless the European series already had that I'm not aware of.
Yep, I agree with you on all points. I have had a couple of GSXR750s, although neither lasted too long, both were fantastic bikes - a 1999 SRAD and a K4.
Hugely significant is that both were really considerably cheaper to run - petrol, tyres, insurance, purchase price etc... than a litre bike as well as being significantly lighter and all the benefits that provides.
If other manufacturers made 750s as a matter of course in their ranges I would almost certainly not buy a litre bike again.
I know when they were developing the S1000RR, BMW made noises about essentially 'lopping off' one cylinder and making a S750RR three cylinder. That could be rather tasty but significantly ANY of the litre bike could do the same saving a decent amount of r+d over a stand alone model. Or they could follow Suzuki's example and make their 600cc machines a longer stroke to make 750s.
Of course, pre 2003, racing superbikes and their road bike cousins were all 750s. It was Honda that broke the mold by increasing the capacity of the first Fireblade 893cc. This ultimately made Yamaha to increase to 998cc. Suzuki then Kawasaki and finally Honda again followed suit as the World Superbike rules changed to increase the capacity from 750cc to 1000cc.
Prior to that 1000cc machines were really sort of sporty road biased machines, the 750s the sports replicas and 600s the much more cheaply specified road centric machines. I still think this makes more sense than what we have today.
Although, when Moto2 eventually changes to 500cc twins, it will make more sense of the manufacturers ranges again. Having 600cc and basically the same but a little bigger 1000cc i4s made no sense at all.
Funnily then it would mirror the old two stroke championships:
2stroke:
125cc single
x2 =
250cc twin
x2=
500cc four
4 stroke (potentially):
250cc single (moto3)
x2=
500cc twin (moto2)
x2=
1000cc four (motoGP)
Anyway, I digress. The MV Agusta looks like a great bike. Stunning beautiful and no doubt highly impressive and, I believe even thinner than the Triumph Daytona 675 (although I can only assume there is not room in the Triumph Daytona 675 engine to similarly stroke it like MV has with theirs. Otherwise it makes no sense at all why they haven't.
For both Triumph and MV it is far more likely a 800cc triple would encourage litre bike riders, fans and customers to defect than a 675cc which to many will be simply too small for them to consider, it being in the supersport class.
I haven't talked at length to anyone who's ridden the 800, although a customer has a MV 675 apparently and he even asked at the shop if there was anyway to 'weight' the throttle. We are not talking about the electronic or fuelling issue but rather a problem many complain of when bikes have full ride by wire throttles - some of them simply have zero (literally) resistance to regulate your hand movements making judging the throttle horribly difficult...
-{ ...this is the reason Kawasaki created their fantastic dual system that is ride by wire on one set of injectors but traditional - and thus very 'feelsome' - cable operated second set of injectors. This also permits the inhjectors to spray even more finely creating even greater feel through the throttle and thus to the rear wheel. A seriously clever alternative. Honda and then Yamaha addressed the issue with hugely complicated resistors that synthesize the old feel of cable only operated systems. No doubt this was initially a decision by the accountants but a seriously clever idea.}-
So with zero resistance coupled with the problems with fuelling you note above, it only compounds both problems making the overall effect even worse. I would advise a test ride to check the feel of the throttle has either been fixed (along with the fuelling/electronic issues) or feels OK to you. That said the sales shop -
(that DOES have a website by the way, 'sussexmotorcyles' , unlike 'Grandad's HTV shop', the repair shop and bike builders that most certainly doesn't and exists only through word of mouth yet still has work booked through to february 2016! Not that it makes much £s!)
- has a MV F4 750S in stock currently and I rode it when it arrived and it had beautiful fuelling so clearly the company can manage it - I suspect they rushed out the F3, especially, in an attempt to start getting cashflow in as they were selling little more than a trickle when the Castiglioni family bought the firm including Cagiva back from H-D. This meant selling them before they were ready, I suspect. A very Italian way of doing things!
Zone Television What is the consensus and your thoughts on the 2015 model?
lonewolf36s evidently there have been sufficient updates that I've addressed any enormously pressing overlaying issues.
In my opinion, I could care less as if these were still "pressing" issues as they can easily be sorted out. (Besides the Daytona) The F3 is really the only bike that is (in my opinion) in a class all by itself.
Besides, MV warranties their bikes for 2 years which more than enough to relieve the buyer of any pressing concerns that would otherwise leave the buyer wanting.
Currently I believe you can get up $1,500 off the 675 (and the 800) if I'm not mistaken. This bike properly set up will exceed any expectations that you have as it is very well capable of being tuned to about 150 bhp (about what many 1000cc bikes were producing about 7 or 8 years ago.
The 675 is (in my mind) a bike that is an unsung hero. Suffice to say, if you get one you'll have something few people have and many will want when they realize it stands alone.
Zone Television It's definitely in my sights for purchase. Just doing my research side, and your opinion really does make a difference for me. Thank you for taking the time to respond and enlighten!! :) :)
I love the looks, don't we all, it's a stellar bike. I think I'm a bit worried about throttle response, but, man, if it can be mastered, it's one hell of a fun ride I'm certian
lonewolf36s not looking to butt in to other's conversations but thought I would make one point. I would try one of these before buying. There is _so_ much right with these bikes yet something is still missing.
Initially I hated the throttle and ended up selling my first F3 rather quickly (although that was kind of the intention so don't read too much into that!).
It may seem like I/others make too much of this: especially given the F3 I have currently (800 Ago) is just fantastic and I spent MANY hours tuning the throttle response. With roughly 10 dyno hours and the same road test hours, we have got to about 90-95% OK. For road riding it is fine... mostly.
Where the issue comes for me was highlighted - again - just yesterday on a track.
It is a private track in Eastern Europe with just one long, fast straight tipping in on a trailing throttle to a closing apex corner. The real problem is there is a delay between what you ask the bike to do and the bike responding. At this corner you need to brake to get som weight on the front then enter the corner on a trailing throttle. Here the F3 really struggles. You _have_ to leave a decent margin for error on can find yourself in a world of trouble. Yes the bike takes only 0.4-0.5sec to react but at 140mph that is a long way. Triumph and disaster and all that!
This being said, I rode from southern UK to Latvia with my girlfriend on the back for nearly 7 hours. The bike ran flawlessly. It works no doubt just be aware.
it's not a "motor" is a engine.
Gary Hamill semantics are for trolls
+Rage Quit87 technically it is a motor, as the gearbox is built onto the block making it a complete unit.
mine looks better
did he say jewcati
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