The Amateur's Mind - The secrets of evaluating

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  • Опубліковано 13 лип 2022
  • In this video I am discussing a few positions and the evaluating techniques that help you to be able to better assess them!
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  • @FunnyAnimatorJimTV
    @FunnyAnimatorJimTV Рік тому +23

    I feel that the constant calculation of variations during the game, guaranteeing the most accurate play, is going to be the next big breakthrough for me and lots of others around my level around/above/below 2000. I saw it in the book "chess middlegame planning" by peter romanovsky where pretty much the main points he made throughout the entire book were that you MUST create CONCRETE plans (not hazy ones) and calculate VARIATIONS that prove your plan is concrete.
    "The assessment of a position on the basis of an examination of variations, i.e. analysis, will always be more correct and make easier the finding of a right way to achieve the planned objective." p.79
    "Thus, again and again, we are convinced of the great significance a concrete approach to positions has in the creative process, i.e. the detailed thinking out of variations, realistic aims and a clear idea of the ways leading to them. Every chess player wishing to cultivate creative thinking must turn his attention to precisely this." p.103
    I was so happy to hear those ideas reinforced during this video and your last one

  • @brianbanks700
    @brianbanks700 Рік тому +6

    Love the content Andras. Keep it up!

  • @lukastux3024
    @lukastux3024 Рік тому +4

    Yay! Amateur's mind continued! (Pressed like immediately, not regretting it)

  • @tommonk7651
    @tommonk7651 Рік тому

    I like Danny Gormally response. "I no longer evaluate. I just move and hope for the best." LOL

  • @zenarrow3356
    @zenarrow3356 Рік тому +3

    Can't express my appreciation for your channel.

  • @wellutopia2237
    @wellutopia2237 5 місяців тому

    I cant get enough of your vids. I calculate so dang good now. I had this crazy postion today and i calculated the next 3-4 moves but there was this crazy computer line. I was laughing hard cause it was literally mind blowing and it started right after the moves i calculated. So crazy the opponent just resigned as he was a piece down but turned out he could keep the game going and it was only .34 in favor of me as he was able to pin the piece back and win it. Its was crazy fun. The whole thing. The calculations and game.

  • @juliankarpiuk320
    @juliankarpiuk320 Рік тому +3

    I love chess because it's a game that humbles you again and again, no matter how good you are.

  • @tomas-wi8dy
    @tomas-wi8dy Рік тому +2

    thank you! instructive video!

  • @budwin5815
    @budwin5815 Рік тому +16

    Your conte t has helped me to break the 1700 rating plateau that I’ve been stuck at for over a year now. Your channel is a gold mine of free content, wish I’d had it when I started playing chess.

    • @maestro___
      @maestro___ Рік тому

      Couldn't have said it any better! I wish you the best in your chess journey!

  • @felbas4224
    @felbas4224 Рік тому +3

    I knew for a while that the Twitter chess community had a good reputation, but seeing those grandmasters give insight like that just convinced me to join.
    Very good video as always

  • @nickburggraaf3977
    @nickburggraaf3977 Рік тому +14

    I think the lack of calculation with most players (including myself) is playing to much

    • @LordSoviet
      @LordSoviet Рік тому

      How did it go? I've never played OTB primarily since the US is so massive I'd have to travel a ways to get to anywhere hosting one that includes unrated players. So too much money and time to really be worth it atm

  • @samueltonini
    @samueltonini Рік тому +6

    Big thanks 🤗😁

  • @hosiahjones
    @hosiahjones Рік тому +1

    Excellent stuff

  • @Arthas30000
    @Arthas30000 Рік тому +6

    I'm SO HAPPY I calculated that bishop trade accurately in the center!!! Your content (and forcing myself to calculate, no line drawing) has definitely helped me improve a lot :) Ty Andras!!! Keep up the great content!!!

  • @hplovecraftmacncheese
    @hplovecraftmacncheese Рік тому

    I have the Silman book and started reading it recently. This video kind of opened my eyes though.

  • @acsu96
    @acsu96 Рік тому +3

    The discussion about engines refuting our great ideas with all these small tricks in each of the lines reminds me of the story from Judit about how she was allowed into her sister's training sessions by always finding some creative resource for an attack during some particular opening prep they were working on where the position should have been strategically worse.
    Glad i got the first position right with trading the knight and holding with trading the dark squared bishop! The second one was way over my head though.

  • @tyrelljeffries2527
    @tyrelljeffries2527 Рік тому +2

    Our favourite series is back! Sooo glad!

  • @AlexBanzea
    @AlexBanzea Рік тому +1

    Love the thumbnail coach!

  • @chessbynabri
    @chessbynabri Рік тому +1

    i recall the naka game from a video on the saintlouis chess club. This very instructive game was commented by GM Akhobian. You can check for yourself his excellent comments.

  • @shanastroskyphazer8172
    @shanastroskyphazer8172 Рік тому +1

    Basically tough positions, good exercise Thanks Andras ! I thought I played an Immortal king game with my king in the center of the board dancing between 2 enemy Queens. I had 2 rooks and 2 knights and pawns vs 2 Queens etc and pawns but stockfish reminded me it was always winning and had a Houdini like escape wow ! Lucky for me my human opponent could not find the saving line !

  • @sukitha001
    @sukitha001 Рік тому

    Thank you for the video! And specially explaining it in a way understandable for the layman!

  • @Midnight890
    @Midnight890 Рік тому

    Thank you for this video. After watching a few of your videos I have decided I will play and practice in slower times formats in an attempt to calculate much deeper than I used to and play far better

  • @lorecmvii1212
    @lorecmvii1212 Рік тому

    I actually came to the same scenario and agreed with your evaluation. I was feeling like I must have missed something with what everyone was saying but it’s quickly calculated out that black was ahead in all reasonable lines sooo… hey, good way of explaining it, good stuff.

  • @josephmerritt1411
    @josephmerritt1411 Рік тому

    Thank you for the video. My speculation as an amateur is that "speed chess" seems to weight positional plans and tactics more highly than over the board games where you perception may be that you have time to calculate.

  • @witcher-86
    @witcher-86 Рік тому +1

    Nice first game, reminded me of dark square control game of Rapport from Kalashnikov opening, Quparadze - Rapport 2017, also this sac is so relevant in some KID variations

  • @neville-mladen9393
    @neville-mladen9393 Рік тому +1

    Fantastic lecture, thank you Andras

  • @stevewild374
    @stevewild374 Рік тому

    Absolutely superb. So much too learn. Calculation. Dynamics. Not relying on chess knowledge and understanding. Blockading knight v bishop. Looking forward to more in this series. Potentially best chess UA-cam video I have seen.

    • @stevewild374
      @stevewild374 Рік тому

      I am fide rating 2020 and this makes clear so many areas for improvement. Even at 55!

    • @ChessCoachAndras
      @ChessCoachAndras  Рік тому

      Thanks so much, appreciate the kind feedback!

  • @chessloversonly
    @chessloversonly Рік тому +3

    Very interesting topic and bringing in the ideas of top GMs too!!
    I feel like your recent videos have helped me a lot too!! The whole part of calculation of lines to reach a point where you can evaluate whether one side is winning, losing or unclear is helpful.

  • @easymoney1226
    @easymoney1226 Рік тому +2

    Very Nice Video, found the second example very instructive, the Engine is just so good its unbelievable

    • @michaels4255
      @michaels4255 Рік тому

      Because the engine calculates every variation very accurately and quickly for some number of moves deep.

    • @easymoney1226
      @easymoney1226 Рік тому

      @@michaels4255 thank you bro i didnt know that

  • @christmackey
    @christmackey Рік тому

    Thanks Coach

  • @johannessteger1809
    @johannessteger1809 Рік тому

    Thx Andras, as a member of the chesspunks community I unfortunately missed your tweets on twitter due to a heavy work load. So here are my thoughts after seeing the video: As a Kings Indian player I‘m pretty sure that I would have evaluted your first example correctly. I would have chosen the black side every day of the week. But I‘m also sure that I would have been on the wrong side in your second example. So calculation is the key. Like Bobby said: „All that matters on the chess board are good moves“ Liked the video very much!

  • @theunlearnedmind7374
    @theunlearnedmind7374 Рік тому

    Great stuff

  • @fionnodonovan1637
    @fionnodonovan1637 Рік тому +2

    Fantastic content again. My only question, Andras, is about how the need for calculation relates to time management. Evaluating in words is a bit "lazy" and imprecise, but if you try to calculate everything out (especially in murky positions), how do you avoid burning all of your clock? I definitely can and should do more calculation, but not sure how to balance this with the practical necessity to avoid time trouble.

    • @kenkur27
      @kenkur27 Рік тому

      I once attended a lecture about the concept of 'critical positions' that typically only occur one to maybe three times in a game. At these moments you need to hunker down and do the deep concrete analysis. I'm thinking that one of the things that separates us club players from the titled guys is recognizing when these critical positions occur.

    • @fionnodonovan1637
      @fionnodonovan1637 Рік тому

      @@kenkur27 I'm sure that's true, and I think everyone agrees that precise calculation in critical positions is crucial. However, Andras seems to be advising that even in non-critical positions, you need to calculate as much as possible to avoid generic, verbal assessments. But the one advantage of generic, verbal assessments is that they take a lot less time to make, at least for me!

  • @sayan64
    @sayan64 Рік тому

    1st example i completely understand and can relate. 2nd one. I am not so sure. I saw the video but i will misevaluate it if it comes in my game.
    For the 2nd one can you put the c5 pawn on d6 with White's move. See what the eval. is.

  • @shmockette7158
    @shmockette7158 Рік тому +1

    When you said white to move, I thought that white was slightly worse, but about equal. You could do Nxe2+ forcing the rook to capture, and then Qxd4. Since you're threatening mate, black will prevent it with Ne5. The Knight is incredibly strong but White has quite a lot of chances to draw. Not sure though.

  • @b.1565
    @b.1565 Рік тому

    Great one more time, Andras! Looking for a strategy/middlegame course of you at chessable.

  • @matesomos342
    @matesomos342 Рік тому +1

    I'm personally not on twitter, but I was very happy with myself when pausing the video at the first position and finding out the good strategic idea for black with taking on d5, exchanging dark square bishops and blockading- winning on the dark squares :) very instructive as always, András, greetings from Hungary!

  • @nicoterradas
    @nicoterradas Рік тому

    Amazing video, Andras! I have only one question: In the second example, why are we trying to reroute the Knight to d6 as the only good plan. I understand the value of the general idea, and the unfortunate one-tempo-behind paradox you raised, however, I was thinking (much in line with your first example!) couldn't Black establish a blockade with f6 and Knight on e5 instead?

  • @simonhinkel4086
    @simonhinkel4086 Рік тому +1

    Are we really going to ignore the 100% best Twitter comment: "I dont evaluate anymore. I just guess and hope for the best" 😄😄

  • @hellopleychess3190
    @hellopleychess3190 Рік тому

    This is a similar system to what I came up with recently

  • @chessaccount8738
    @chessaccount8738 Рік тому

    It seems that to evaluate the position you should first calculate concrete moves, and only then you can talk about features of the position. (good knight vs bad bishop, pawn structure, king safety etc...).

  • @qqqmyes4509
    @qqqmyes4509 Рік тому

    These two types of evaluation-‘story evaluation’ and actual lines evaluation-seem like they can come up in real life. Sometimes we overestimate our ability to evaluate our circumstance in terms of what the ‘general picture’ of our circumstance is like, pointing out some salient facts (I don’t enjoy my job, my family doesn’t support me, I’m too embarrassed about my weight). But we don’t know what actually is going to happen if we try various things; we don’t know which events will lead to what in our lives. Our lives are more intricate and shaped by numerous ‘lines’ that you cannot evaluate in an easy, hand-waivy, rule of thumb way. I don’t know if this is all true, maybe it’s more true for some people rather than others (some people’s lives might be carved in stone, others’ lives might be written by a finger in mud-which is easy to wipe clear and rewrite afresh), but it’s a poetic idea. Maybe there is wisdom in recognizing that we cannot know the outcome of our pursuits and lives so easily, but unlike in chess, the proper response might be to stop trying to calculate how well our efforts and lives will turn out.

  • @user-ce2gl6ky2y
    @user-ce2gl6ky2y Рік тому +1

    Amateurs mind is best!!

  • @Evilanious
    @Evilanious Рік тому +2

    Sampling bias against lines could be a problem on twitter. Hard to give too many lines in 140 characters. The platform encourages stopping short with thoughts by design. The overall point is well taken though.

    • @felbas4224
      @felbas4224 Рік тому

      I would argue the contrary. A line is shorter than a bunch of words giving an analytic explanation

  • @zoe7696
    @zoe7696 Рік тому

    i saw bxd5 exd5 bf6 in the first position but i somehow miscounted the pawns and thought white had an extra pawn, but probably still would've misevaluated the position anyways

  • @pakchu2
    @pakchu2 Рік тому +2

    How did you determine so concretely in both positions that in the endgames the knight was going to be much more powerful than the bishop?

    • @ChessCoachAndras
      @ChessCoachAndras  Рік тому +2

      Because White has pawns fixed on the colour of the Bishop.

  • @battlescard213
    @battlescard213 Рік тому

    Coach, I could really use more videos on Evaluating Positions. Please?

  • @Chris-zf5jz
    @Chris-zf5jz Рік тому +2

    Super-Like!!!

    • @nickburggraaf3977
      @nickburggraaf3977 Рік тому

      I couldn't find the super like button, but here it is.

  • @atzucatatzucat9615
    @atzucatatzucat9615 Рік тому

    Thanks for all this impressive stuff. You don't know me, but you are my chess teacher. If I may, I'd like to ask you a question: ¿what are your thoughts on adopting the scandi with 2.Nf6 for learning chess?

    • @ChessCoachAndras
      @ChessCoachAndras  Рік тому +3

      As always I strongly disapprove of anything that has scandi in it for Black

    • @atzucatatzucat9615
      @atzucatatzucat9615 Рік тому

      @@ChessCoachAndras Thanks professor, then I need to do some drastic changes on my repertoire.

    • @ishanr8697
      @ishanr8697 Рік тому +1

      Take up 1...e5 or 1...c5. These are rich openings that will help your chess understanding immensely.

    • @atzucatatzucat9615
      @atzucatatzucat9615 Рік тому

      @@ishanr8697 Thanks mate, I'm beggining with the Najdorf just as Andras suggested.

    • @simonhinkel4086
      @simonhinkel4086 Рік тому

      @@atzucatatzucat9615 jumping in late fornan answer. If the najdord ist too Tricky to learn at the Moment, you night also try the Scheveningen Sicilian. Opponents are pretty unfamiliar with it, you can Develop very quickly und Attack the Center pretty early :) awesome opening for anyone below Grandmaster Level 😁

  • @grimlips6596
    @grimlips6596 Рік тому

    "I'm interested in exceptions, not in rules" Richard Reti

  • @user-ce2gl6ky2y
    @user-ce2gl6ky2y Рік тому +2

    Spasibo

  • @BMWE-hm7uz
    @BMWE-hm7uz Рік тому +2

    In game 2: There is conflict between the engine and human thinking. When white has only moves to gain an advantage, practically it is fine for black, as you say, who is looking at h4 h5 and Rf6 ideas. I mean you missed that and youre an IM. Practically speaking black is better, his play is a lot easier, plans are easier found.
    Its easy to say white is better because the engine says so, but id rather take black. I would even say that if you gave that position to any of your viewers between 1800 and 2300, black would score a lot higher i think

  • @yakinimoseley6792
    @yakinimoseley6792 Рік тому

    Well wouldn’t it be difficult to implement evaluation if there is constant calculation? I think when I evaluated the initial position, White was better without calculating further. But evaluating would show that the knight is strong and so exchange was necessary and further calculation.

  • @Filipios35376
    @Filipios35376 23 дні тому

    I was there thinking Bf8 was a good move 😂

  • @kugelblitzingularity304
    @kugelblitzingularity304 Рік тому +2

    engines always like to troll lol

  • @paulvater3793
    @paulvater3793 Рік тому

    at 24:30 - Rg1+ first actually doesn't work because blacks king is in time

  • @ozn8985
    @ozn8985 Рік тому +1

    Great content, just don't understand the need to read tweets that are already on the screen word by word.

  • @JohnSmith-pn1vv
    @JohnSmith-pn1vv Рік тому +1

    So.. kings gambit IS unbeatable

  • @chessforfunonly1586
    @chessforfunonly1586 Рік тому

    I like words better than variations

  • @hellopleychess3190
    @hellopleychess3190 Рік тому

    There is a strange saying that I heard in my mind
    Let the statics guide you to moves and let the moves guide you to an evaluation

  • @gaalhunor9726
    @gaalhunor9726 Рік тому

    Ki az a Kata és mit akar?

  • @vivalakid
    @vivalakid Рік тому

  • @heathGREsham
    @heathGREsham Рік тому

    I was thinking black plays Bf8 and claims that if they can open things up white has the more vulnerable king.

  • @nomoreblitz
    @nomoreblitz Рік тому

    So, You WERE right that Black is good against all HUMAN Players < 2750 ELO 18:15

  • @joeldick6871
    @joeldick6871 Рік тому

    I wouldn't call this video 'Amateur's Mind', but 'IM's Mind and Why He's No GM'

  • @user-ce2gl6ky2y
    @user-ce2gl6ky2y Рік тому

    Twitter is banned in Russia((

  • @user-ce2gl6ky2y
    @user-ce2gl6ky2y Рік тому

    Andras, am i the only one from Russia here in comments???