i read kenji comics also, and i really love it. Later on the book, he met a bajiquan master named Liu Gekkyu. Did you know that Liu Gekkyu in kenji comic, is the same man as Liu Yun Qiao in this video ?
Ba Ji reminds me of mizong/ Aiki jui jutsu/ and a mixture of hsing-i and tai chi. this style/ specific form is very impressive. for those who have been able to stir the chi with the fluidity of movement- while finding the hardness in the softness- watching this form is easy to see its value. the coordination shown here has a lot of power to be found. - thanks for the post, beautiful
There is baji-sparring -- it's called baji-push-hands, like Taiji (Tai Chi) push hands. You do it to get a sensitivity for close-combat energy. There's also Baji lance sparring -- you use 10' lances, which is a great excersise for issuingpower.
Bajiquan were chosen to serve as bodyguards to the Chinese Emperors. Most where students of Li Shuwen. Such as Huo Diange bodyguard to Pu Yi (the last emperor of China), Li Chenwu bodyguard to Mao Zedong and Liu Yunqiao secret agent for the Kuomintang and instructor of the bodyguards of Chiang Kai-Shek. As a result Bajiquan became known as the 'Bodyguard' style
Liu Yunqiao secret agent for the Kuomintang and instructor of the bodyguards of Chiang Kai-Shek. As a result Bajiquan became known as the 'Bodyguard' style
liu gekyu! he is trainer for taiwan army. acording to the comic book, he is the last student of the gratest bajiquan master lie sio bun (every name here speled by japanese kanji like lie yun chiao spelled liu gekyu). he's master developed bajiquan to become one of most powerful kung fu in china, beside shin yi ha (secret kung fu in shaolin), taichi cuan, shin yi liu hei quan (six of will), koka, kei, hiso, 72 the art of shaolin,ja (snakes), etc.
@alexdhamp Just about everything :), LYQ practiced Bagua aswell so they were probably doing some 'free form' sparring, while Bagua relies heavily on flowing footwork and whiping motion Baji movements "explode". The footwork is somewhat static like Xing Yi however the secrets to its fearsome power lies in the charging step (where you hear a loud bang), it is not a stamp in itself but it is merely the feet/legs following throughthe movements of your hips turning.
By comic, do you mean the manga named "Kenji"? I have heard good things about it. I've also heard good things about baji. I really like what I saw in the video, it looks old. In old fighting styles, the premise was to survive in a fight, as this video shows. I'm not sure what happened when the four grapplers fell down, but the movements where you can see what happens were a joy to watch.
Bajiquan was in brought to popular attention in the west largely by the Sega video game Virtua Fighter, as the style that the main character Akira Yuki practices, though none of the many representations of Bajiquan in popular media has ever been very accurate. Other video game characters that use this style are Kokoro from the Dead or Alive series and Xiuying Hong from the Shenmue video game series.
Although it's nice to see masters like this, the videos don't really do justice to their skills. To really appreciate them, i think you need to experience it first hand. Also has we all get older our power starts to decrease. It doesn't matter who you are, or what style you do. We are only Human!!!
@ooogooman also:) the baji stance training is pretty different from any i've had in Karate or tae kwon do. its not static at all. your always trying to sink lower working your leg muscles. maintaining proper structure in your whole body, let your tailbone sink, lower the shoulders etc.. etc... so its not static. And then theres usually mantis step training afterwards, which is as unstatic as it gets:) 250 word count seems to leave enough out for misunderstandings every time i write:P
I'm reading a japanese comic called "Kenji". Simple name but what is interesting about this comic is that it talks about bajiquan and the history or wushu. On the second book, there's a part where the granpa of the kid, he tells him a story of a Xingyi warrior on how he trained while his master was gone. So, the student kept doing one simple movement for about a year later, when the master came back; that simple punch was explosive and powerful. So, he told kenji to do the same with baji.
@Gibmeister123 Thanks. Sounds interesting, too. And yeah, I was referring to the "free form" sparring movements. The sequence at the end, even I could tell that had nothing to do with Bagua. The bit about the "charging step" is a bit difficult to understand though. >.
Baji Quan was the china royal guard's martial art in chin dynasty Master Liu was a special task in WW2 like 007 He's mission was assassin japan important figure and rescure hostage.
Oh how clever of you! You're like, totally the first person to ever say something like that! Pat yourself on the back and give yourself a gold star, kiddo, ya earned it!
@alexdhamp It's sort of like creating a one inch punch the same instant your strike connects in a sense. You begin to step forward and as soon as your center begins to align you twist your body and extend your arm at the same time which also causes your stepping foot to hit the ground causing a loud bang. Simply stamping the ground doesn't give you more punching power. In Daoism this would be a perfect example of borrowing the earth's energy.
@BadAssBlackOverlord Tell that to Li Shu Wen He said and quote "I never had the feeling to hit a man twice." meaning he killed in one shot. Also it won't be slow motion, trust me. Fights come and go in an instant I'm sure you know that.
@ooogooman Its often better to think of baji as the kata's you start learning when you reach a black belt in karate. To devote a school to only those without thoroughly learning the basics first would be senseless and a waste for the students:) the other systems like mantis are still heavily influenced by the baji though, we often get comments about baji stomping in our mantis forms and such:P
Does Baji do circle walking too? I've been interested in Bagua lately...and these seem pretty similar to my untrained eyes. What's the difference between Bajiquan and Baguazhang?
Well, it' doesn't look like it, but it uses the same spiralling energy that starts at the Tan-Tien, goes to the legs and back up into the striking arm/shoulder, elbow, hip... whatever. And I'm not talking about Yang-style Taiji --- I'm talking about the original combative-style, Chen-style taiji, which is low, fast and more powerful/violent looking.
Master Liu, the best there was (except his master LiShuwen) I understand that Master Liu served his government during WW2 and killed using his martial arts.
There ARE videos of wushu practitioners doing sparring. They either look totally clueless or else employ the same tactics as any other competition striking art--dancing around a lot, rapid punch/kick combinations, kicking at the legs, etc. For sheer sparring effectiveness, nothing beats Kyokushin karate, IMO. But it, too, falls short whenever grappling is allowed. It's been proven time and again that the winning formula is a mix of boxing, very limited (low) kicking and jujutsu-style wrestling.
@ooogooman you misunderstand me i think. You should learn simpler stuff before baji so your structure is good. so 40 min of stance every training (if your stance is static your doing it wrong;) ) but in the meantime you also train tanglang (mantis), long fist and tai chi quan. The problem with baji has been that it tried to adopt, taught baji First and no one understood anything properly. its a very good system that craves dedication, if one does'nt have that then sure train something else:)
Tai Chi and Ba Ji Quan are both internal styles concentrating on building chi, and concentrating controled force. The biggest difference i've noticed between the 2 (besides the obvious techniques) is that ba ji trains explosive strikes and stomping, while tai chi's strikes are slow and precise. if that makes any sense.
@BadAssBlackOverlord He's killed people in real fights, have you ever killed someone with your own fists ? Someone who's at your same level of fighing knowledge, trying to kill you too ?
@bm2332 Not remotely true. There are records of Baji masters who killed people in fights on more than one occasion. He's playing nice with them and not trying to hurt, but trying to teach.
@ooogooman maybe is because of lazyness. When people find out that learning Baji is actually hard work they seem to loose interest. Anyone is welcome to train in our club, but there's no point in learning anyone Baji before they at least have proper structure in their stances, and that usually takes 2-3 years. with 40 min stances at least every training. If you just start training everyone before they have that structure its just gonna become "Mc-dojo" where nobody learns anything properly.
People, have you ever learnt a true skill from a real master ? It feels like if you were going to die, because those are skills to kill someone, you will feel true danger and want to fight back or cover yourselves. Now that's a secret technique.
how disrespectful Flanka , martial arts is much more than a sport, which is relegated to those who choose to view it as sport. let me take a guess, youre a mma or something or other type guy right? Apples and oranges, to disregard a master is to disregard the gifts of not being a fool.
@shengxlong I am sorry but I have to respectfully disagree. You cannot kill someone with traditional arts such as these. No. I won't stupidly try to punch them in "slow motion" just so they can counter. I know some boxing and I am well versed in Jiu Jitsu. These guys will not win. Impossible.
Thank You for sharing! A wonderful look at Great Grand Master Liu`s part of cultural history and pride.
GOOD LORD THE POWER!!! 0:43-0:53....
ba ji quan's sliding horse stepping...
Master Liu had amazing power!!!
i read kenji comics also, and i really love it.
Later on the book, he met a bajiquan master named Liu Gekkyu.
Did you know that Liu Gekkyu in kenji comic, is the same man as Liu Yun Qiao in this video ?
Ba Ji reminds me of mizong/ Aiki jui jutsu/ and a mixture of hsing-i and tai chi. this style/ specific form is very impressive. for those who have been able to stir the chi with the fluidity of movement- while finding the hardness in the softness- watching this form is easy to see its value. the coordination shown here has a lot of power to be found. - thanks for the post, beautiful
There is baji-sparring -- it's called baji-push-hands, like Taiji (Tai Chi) push hands. You do it to get a sensitivity for close-combat energy.
There's also Baji lance sparring -- you use 10' lances, which is a great excersise for issuingpower.
Say what you will about the man's fashion sense, he definitely was an amazing martial artist.
it's nice to finally see grandmaster liu in motion.
Sean
The Palace Guards in Taiwan (whom GM Liu trained) called him "The Old Taoist" because he seemed to have magical powers in combat.
Bajiquan were chosen to serve as bodyguards to the Chinese Emperors. Most where students of Li Shuwen. Such as Huo Diange bodyguard to Pu Yi (the last emperor of China), Li Chenwu bodyguard to Mao Zedong and Liu Yunqiao secret agent for the Kuomintang and instructor of the bodyguards of Chiang Kai-Shek. As a result Bajiquan became known as the 'Bodyguard' style
Li Shu Wen is Liu Yun Qiao's master..Liu Yun Qiao is his last student
Liu Yunqiao secret agent for the Kuomintang and instructor of the bodyguards of Chiang Kai-Shek. As a result Bajiquan became known as the 'Bodyguard' style
如果有人願意拍一部八極拳的電影 相信也會引起一波熱潮
liu gekyu! he is trainer for taiwan army. acording to the comic book, he is the last student of the gratest bajiquan master lie sio bun (every name here speled by japanese kanji like lie yun chiao spelled liu gekyu). he's master developed bajiquan to become one of most powerful kung fu in china, beside shin yi ha (secret kung fu in shaolin), taichi cuan, shin yi liu hei quan (six of will), koka, kei, hiso, 72 the art of shaolin,ja (snakes), etc.
徒弟配合師傅表演，章顯功夫高超無敵。
你太看不起劉雲樵了！
他在擔任蔣幫「大內教練」之前當然有經過「大內衛士們」的交手考驗。
沒打服「大內衛士們」，蔣經國會聘他當教頭？
你以為所有國術教師都如馬保國？
@@swwei 人都有老的時候，拳怕少壯，棍怕老狼
@alexdhamp Just about everything :), LYQ practiced Bagua aswell so they were probably doing some 'free form' sparring, while Bagua relies heavily on flowing footwork and whiping motion Baji movements "explode". The footwork is somewhat static like Xing Yi however the secrets to its fearsome power lies in the charging step (where you hear a loud bang), it is not a stamp in itself but it is merely the feet/legs following throughthe movements of your hips turning.
By comic, do you mean the manga named "Kenji"? I have heard good things about it.
I've also heard good things about baji. I really like what I saw in the video, it looks old. In old fighting styles, the premise was to survive in a fight, as this video shows. I'm not sure what happened when the four grapplers fell down, but the movements where you can see what happens were a joy to watch.
Bajiquan was in brought to popular attention in the west largely by the Sega video game Virtua Fighter, as the style that the main character Akira Yuki practices, though none of the many representations of Bajiquan in popular media has ever been very accurate.
Other video game characters that use this style are Kokoro from the Dead or Alive series and Xiuying Hong from the Shenmue video game series.
If only there was a version where it was all at full speed!
Although it's nice to see masters like this, the videos don't really do justice to their skills. To really appreciate them, i think you need to experience it first hand. Also has we all get older our power starts to decrease. It doesn't matter who you are, or what style you do. We are only Human!!!
@ooogooman also:) the baji stance training is pretty different from any i've had in Karate or tae kwon do. its not static at all. your always trying to sink lower working your leg muscles. maintaining proper structure in your whole body, let your tailbone sink, lower the shoulders etc.. etc... so its not static. And then theres usually mantis step training afterwards, which is as unstatic as it gets:) 250 word count seems to leave enough out for misunderstandings every time i write:P
cool,
I have always wonder if master Liu Sparr with his students. Any clips on free sparring? thanks for posting
劉老 讓八極拳的精隨能在台灣傳承下來的人物
It's hard to find that manga nowadays! It is really realistic, I love it
I'm reading a japanese comic called "Kenji". Simple name but what is interesting about this comic is that it talks about bajiquan and the history or wushu.
On the second book, there's a part where the granpa of the kid, he tells him a story of a Xingyi warrior on how he trained while his master was gone. So, the student kept doing one simple movement for about a year later, when the master came back; that simple punch was explosive and powerful.
So, he told kenji to do the same with baji.
great one...
anyone knows in taiwan, where exactly can I find a real school that teaches the real ba ji quan for combat and self defence?
@Endoperez it's a real good manga and I recomend it! It has real good content not only about Baji but also Xing YI, Bagua and more
great legend................
@Gibmeister123 Thanks. Sounds interesting, too. And yeah, I was referring to the "free form" sparring movements. The sequence at the end, even I could tell that had nothing to do with Bagua. The bit about the "charging step" is a bit difficult to understand though. >.
Baji Quan was the china royal guard's martial art in chin dynasty
Master Liu was a special task in WW2 like 007
He's mission was assassin japan important figure and rescure hostage.
Oh how clever of you! You're like, totally the first person to ever say something like that! Pat yourself on the back and give yourself a gold star, kiddo, ya earned it!
@alexdhamp It's sort of like creating a one inch punch the same instant your strike connects in a sense.
You begin to step forward and as soon as your center begins to align you twist your body and extend your arm at the same time which also causes your stepping foot to hit the ground causing a loud bang. Simply stamping the ground doesn't give you more punching power.
In Daoism this would be a perfect example of borrowing the earth's energy.
@BadAssBlackOverlord Tell that to Li Shu Wen
He said and quote "I never had the feeling to hit a man twice." meaning he killed in one shot. Also it won't be slow motion, trust me. Fights come and go in an instant I'm sure you know that.
did u read it translated? because I cant find the newer chapters. I wonder who is stronger, Li Shu Wen or Liu Yun Qiao xD
yes. it is the same man
@ooogooman Its often better to think of baji as the kata's you start learning when you reach a black belt in karate. To devote a school to only those without thoroughly learning the basics first would be senseless and a waste for the students:) the other systems like mantis are still heavily influenced by the baji though, we often get comments about baji stomping in our mantis forms and such:P
i do tai chi. whats the difference? anybody know? they both look internal and quite similar
Does Baji do circle walking too? I've been interested in Bagua lately...and these seem pretty similar to my untrained eyes. What's the difference between Bajiquan and Baguazhang?
劉雲樵有跟八卦掌宗師宮保田學習過八卦掌，所以武壇系統也有教授八卦掌。
Well, it' doesn't look like it, but it uses the same spiralling energy that starts at the Tan-Tien, goes to the legs and back up into the striking arm/shoulder, elbow, hip... whatever. And I'm not talking about Yang-style Taiji --- I'm talking about the original combative-style, Chen-style taiji, which is low, fast and more powerful/violent looking.
That he did. Master Liu too.
This master assassinated many Japanese officers during WWII... don't you doubt his masterhood!
Master Liu, the best there was (except his master LiShuwen) I understand that Master Liu served his government during WW2 and killed using his martial arts.
There ARE videos of wushu practitioners doing sparring. They either look totally clueless or else employ the same tactics as any other competition striking art--dancing around a lot, rapid punch/kick combinations, kicking at the legs, etc. For sheer sparring effectiveness, nothing beats Kyokushin karate, IMO. But it, too, falls short whenever grappling is allowed. It's been proven time and again that the winning formula is a mix of boxing, very limited (low) kicking and jujutsu-style wrestling.
@BadAssBlackOverlord Li Shu Wen his teacher killed every person he fought and never lost he was famous for it, real Bajiquan is pretty vicious
@ooogooman you misunderstand me i think. You should learn simpler stuff before baji so your structure is good. so 40 min of stance every training (if your stance is static your doing it wrong;) ) but in the meantime you also train tanglang (mantis), long fist and tai chi quan. The problem with baji has been that it tried to adopt, taught baji First and no one understood anything properly. its a very good system that craves dedication, if one does'nt have that then sure train something else:)
Tai Chi and Ba Ji Quan are both internal styles concentrating on building chi, and concentrating controled force. The biggest difference i've noticed between the 2 (besides the obvious techniques) is that ba ji trains explosive strikes and stomping, while tai chi's strikes are slow and precise. if that makes any sense.
劉東成的父親!!
@BadAssBlackOverlord He's killed people in real fights, have you ever killed someone with your own fists ? Someone who's at your same level of fighing knowledge, trying to kill you too ?
@bm2332 Not remotely true. There are records of Baji masters who killed people in fights on more than one occasion. He's playing nice with them and not trying to hurt, but trying to teach.
@ooogooman maybe is because of lazyness. When people find out that learning Baji is actually hard work they seem to loose interest. Anyone is welcome to train in our club, but there's no point in learning anyone Baji before they at least have proper structure in their stances, and that usually takes 2-3 years. with 40 min stances at least every training. If you just start training everyone before they have that structure its just gonna become "Mc-dojo" where nobody learns anything properly.
People, have you ever learnt a true skill from a real master ? It feels like if you were going to die, because those are skills to kill someone, you will feel true danger and want to fight back or cover yourselves. Now that's a secret technique.
no... baji is not a formation of bagua and xingyi..
baji is strong one, others are smooth..
八極拳打起來不好看,他是完全以實用為主的拳法
劉老師傅年輕時除了主學八極,也練過螳螂拳和八卦掌,所以他的八極拳較為靈動
李書文弟子很多,劉老師傅是他最後一位關門弟子,也是完全繼承李氏八極拳的人
these are deathly teachnique,and focus on the hit and force...trong enough to kill person...
若沒殘影會比較好
你在嘴砲的時候你不知道 他幹掉多少敵軍
ho, maybe i misunderstood~
真實開打會一個一個上？，一群人圍上，從這視頻告訴我....被圍毆致死無疑....
how disrespectful Flanka , martial arts is much more than a sport, which is relegated to those who choose to view it as sport. let me take a guess, youre a mma or something or other type guy right? Apples and oranges, to disregard a master is to disregard the gifts of not being a fool.
It is Wu Dang (武当).
跟老外还是外行解释个毛线阿。这么喜欢看热闹练跆拳去，练得就是花拳绣腿。
Wuh rly? I woner if Li Shu Wen was as violent as they say he is.
@flancka
so you're a pro when you fight with points for hitting someone? xD
lmfao you don't know anything about real martial arts C:
frank if you don't like real martial arts and only type down rasistical comments why do you even bother watching this video?
@DONNIMETROPOLIS313 hide behind, LOL thats funny, keep on living and searching, perhaps finding the truth might loosen your front teeth
唉呀
去跟散打擂台的人比比看就知道啊
不然去比mma
我知道他們會說他們要插眼踢檔的
因為他們是講求實戰啊
笑死 mma算實戰？？？ 比賽而已
@bm2332 works with slims chiness people
他開玩笑的吧。。。
@shengxlong I am sorry but I have to respectfully disagree. You cannot kill someone with traditional arts such as these. No. I won't stupidly try to punch them in "slow motion" just so they can counter. I know some boxing and I am well versed in Jiu Jitsu. These guys will not win. Impossible.
刘的功夫是不错，但是说完全继承李的功夫，那就有点过了。李先生的功夫，不是一般人能够炼成的，他的徒弟霍殿阁或许是李弟子里功夫最好的，但和李还是有差距。
功夫，不仅是个人的悟性，还有机遇，或者说遭遇，也很重要。
曾經擊殺軍閥孫傳芳那樣的絕頂武術高手，也有實戰經驗，無人出其右，非等閒之輩了！
如果連關門弟子都這麼厲害 李書文功夫還真是難以想像到底多強
很有意思。哈哈
这一个是八极拳？ 真奇怪。
很夸张的。