Well, you get ionisation switches that go into the MHz repetition range, used for some military radar systems, so expecting less of air is no problem. Also some gas filled tubes would be quite happy oscillating at over 30MHz, so the gas ionisation must be capable of being quenched as fast.
There is actually a very handy image search feature in the phantom software that would have helped us scan the images for significant changes in pixel values and found the arcs much quicker at 1,750,000. Just need to connect the phantom via ethernet to a laptop. Guess who forgot their usb to ethernet dongle for their USB-C only laptop? Heyoooooo.
This is why I love ElectroBOOM. The fact that he knows so much about electricity and is willing to put himself (or Dan) in the line of fire for our entertainment.
Mehdi switching between awkward nerd and evil genius is the perfect portrayal of an engineer‘s emotional range :D Thank you guys for this collab, it was so fun to watch!
Working with Phantoms and searching for that one segment of spark is no joke. I was lucky to film with Phantoms a few videos back, and it gives me a huge appreciation for what Gav and Dan did for this video. What great footage you guys captured, resonant frequency and all.
I was also thinking, maybe they should automate finding the frame with a computer algorithm. The algorithm doesn't need to be very smart, just "Find all frames that are 50% brighter than the average" would probably be enough to detect the sparks.
It's crazy how much physics can be checked/confirmed from using cameras to see this- though as we see, you do need the cameras that can hit the nanosecond/billion frame per second range to play with lightning, (electricity), just like observing light propagating. We REALLY need you ELECTROBOOM and the Slow Mo Guys to get together and just check/mythbust things about both light and electricity- at the nanosecond scale range. It's a shame equipment that can keep up is so rare lol, at least at this point in time, you need other than a phantom to get to that nanosecond scale range. I really hope we get more opportunities to see these happenings like this resonant frequency example- it's one thing to know it's happening, it's another to be able to "see" fast enough to witness these nutty aspects of physics
Now, if Electroboom and you and Steve Mould and Gav and Dan were all in the same place… We would have a real blockbuster science video, …and probably a new discovery of science.
it speaks volumes to what you guys are doing, the fact that that obviously brilliant electrical expert is still able to learn things about his own profession by seeing the footage you come up with. great video
Medhi is a legend of an engineer, he's so knowledgable even when they're talking about the frames in slow motion. It was nice to see him on here, the engineering material he does works so well with the slow motion stuff.
@@michakrzyzanowski8554 who are you to say someones not a legend, this guy may look up to Mehdi and considers him a legend, thatll take this guy far in life. thnk before you say something. opinions are okay but not meant for everyone to agree
Electrical engineer here; My guess on why the marx generator lights up all at once would be that Mehdi IS technically correct, they are filling up from left to right. However, once the first stage is fully charged, my guess is that the impedance between the two discharge nodes is effectively infinite (acting as a perfect open), because there is another path of least resistance within the circuit, going to the next stage capacitor. Once that next stage capacitor fills up, rinse repeat down the line until you finally fill up the very end one. When that one fills to its max capacitance, there is nowhere left for the current to 'freely' move, so everything 'overflows' all at once.
New student here, I thought a capacitor was an open? How come a capacitor fills up? If the impedance makes it effectively an open, I get how the current goes through the short, but if the short leads to another capacitor (open), how is it a short path? Thanks (Again, just took circuits 1 so I might be missing something)
@@wildavis3016 You are correct, in a DC system, a capacitor will eventually behave as an open, once it receives enough charge to 'fill it up'. Once full, the capacitor denies any further charge, acting as the perfect open (infinite impedance), forcing all the current elsewhere (down the line to the next sets of capacitors). However, if there is sufficient enough voltage potential between the positive and ground/negative sides, the the voltage can actually break down a medium (in this case, by ionizing the air between the two discharge nodes). This arc acts as a very brief short, which totally drains the capacitors, resetting the system. This is why capacitors are only rated to certain voltage limits, as exceeding these thresholds will cause this same breakdown within the capacitor itself, resulting in the wonderful "pop" we all know and love Mehdi for.
Fact of the matter is, it *must* be a cascade effect, but much like glass breaking, propagates so fast that it is all but impossible to see the behavior. The giveaway here is that all the gaps have to "close" for anything to jump out of the output (as these are series switches)... But clearly one has to reach potential before all the others, if for no other reason than there will be slight differences in the gaps. My guess here is that it just so happened that the end gap was the closest, but it could have been anywhere in the chain. Once the first one goes, the others are immediately "over" and fire off in an order relating approximately to the gap sizes. This may actually be random in appearance, *IF* one could record all of the time in between. Obviously this is extremely difficult. Once they are all bridged, the output goes hot and an arc is ready to jump if something is close enough. You'd therefore see the output spring to life after all of the chaos in the gaps is resolved and they are all conducting.
The most obvious collab I never would have thought of. Maybe 10-20 years down the line, these guys should do another one, with improved equipment, because the last one was pretty much anti climatic.
Given that best modern cameras capture more like 70 trillion frames per second, it's far more likely some technician somewhere actually holds the record. They'd only have to be in front of the camera at _most_ 40,000,000-fold less time than Dan. If Dan has spent a cumulative total of a year of his life in front a phantom running at max speed, that'll be like, one second.
Aww! I like how you can tell the guest gets excited it the middle when he can actually see the AC frequency because he starts rocking back and forth ❤️
What great point. I thought how awesome it would be for them to capture that in a wide view then remembered the needed brightness for indirect illumination that goes into the camera 💀💀
I don’t know about you but those numbers look off. If you replay the clip from 1.75 million fps to just 25 fps, that’d be 70,000 times slower than real time. Doing some calculations… the speed of light would just be going about 4.29 km/s in that clip, which is still incredibly fast to our eyes. If I’m wrong, do call me out.
I love when guests are so genuinely curious and into what they're doing as well. Watching all three of them learn and discover at the same time was very neat.
I'm only at 4:13 but it's lowkey terrifying to see where the area around the strike on Dan's finger is glowing yellow from the shock. It's like a miniature version of how people can survive lightning strikes because the absurd temperature only lasts for such an insignificant amount of time
It also shows how terrifyingly powerful lightning is, the extremely high temperature (as in, much hotter than the surface of the sun) only lasts for an insignificant amount of time but can still cause third degree burns and fuse sand into glass. Lighting can literally flash-fry you.
@@3nertia Well, my theory is that they had sodium - contaminated hands. It may come from a table salt, or maybe even water, because tap water contains small traces of this metal.
Okay being able to see the ACTUAL unedited resonant frequency of a tesla coil arcing is insane!!! That is crazy fast. But yes, I would love it if Mehdi comes back in a few years to revisit this idea with Gav and Dan when they have an even faster camera!
That camera is so fast that light moves only 170 meters every frame. You might actually be able to capture some wicked light speed slow-mo with it. Its crazy!
Well. It would require some really funky lenses to capture that distance lol. But they do have a planet slo-mo video showing a stupidly fast laser-based camera that can actually show you like moving across stuff.
@@5peciesunkn0wn At a distance far enough to keep 170m objects in frame, optics will be less of a problem. Making a voltage large enough to draw a 400m arc will require equipment from a different lab. Not even sure the ABB lab in Sweden can do that, and that entire lab is built for testing giant arcs.
The funny thing is, that if the technology gets even better and the footage surpasses lightspeed it will rewind itself and start playing instead of recording. I think. Yeah, nah, yeah, sure thing actually. We are so close to timetravelling right now.
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To be fair a lot of what he does on his channel is just "acting dumb for comedic value" plus copious amounts of capacitors, i doubt he ever puts himself in actual danger :)
@@suicidalbanananana I dunno, sitting on a heating element seems unwise. But he knows what we all come for. It's the copious amounts of knowledge that keep us all coming back time and again.
6 minutes and 20 seconds in and this is already the Slow Mo Guys video that feels the most like you guys are three legitimate scientists, the way you hover over the playback screen with these intense stares of fascination, so epic lol
solving it is literally the only option for it to short out between both ends. there's no way not to solve it unless it doesn't get inside the maze in the first place(which would be a fluke and not a valid test)
Mehdi is one of the best entertainers on this whole website, and that's not mentioning his almost unmatched ability to educate. As for the Slow-Mo Guys, I love that you actually were decently knowledgeable and properly curious on this subject. So many people that do stuff like this just try to inject stupid dumb comedy every 2 seconds which gets really annoying, but is meant to cater to the lowest common denominator. This is a breath of fresh air.
Lightning/Electricity was always my favorite physical phenomenon. In any RPG games I'll make a lightning wielder. The idea of the speed and sheer power involved in it is mindblowing.
I would love to see a slo-mo guys' episode of electricity and welding! Like striking an arc, plasma cutting, torch cutting, flux core shooting splatter, sheers and iron workers punching holes and cutting! I think you could see lots of interesting stuff! And it's super lit and easy to film! Also, a Laser engraver would be sweet!
I’d like to argue that the reason you see the last arc flash before the rest is because of the speed in which the electricity bounces across those first several electrodes. The visual of the flashes occurred for the first few only after the last node zaps and the current was completed. It was the last to have received the electrical charge on the line therefore it producing the faint charge until it brightens like the rest of them. You gotta think… the other flashes were almost instantly bright, the last one took a second to light up like the rest. The fact that that charge was moving so fast through the first few nodes didn’t show the visual flash until the current was completed on the last lap. Thats (in my unprofessional opinion) a pretty reasonable assumption.
Hi! Sound guy here! The arcs following the same pattern in the air due to the heating of the particles within the trail also explains the tonal nature of the tesla coils noise that it makes when discharging. You could hook up a MIDI clock output to the frequency regulation, effectively letting you play MIDI music through the tesla coil! I do hope that little idea turns into a video for you guys! Leave an upvote if you've read this and you'd like to get the idea to Gavin, Dan and ElectroBOOM!Loving this video a lot and I'm only at 2:51 Hope you guys are doing well! Been a massive long time fan for years.
Honestly I think a 12 hour video about the best 631mS section of the 1,75M slo-mo of the tesla’s coil would be sick just because you can. Even if it isn’t much more then a good background video to play throughout the day if you’re into that sort of thing.
i'm not an electrical engineer but if that coil is creating music the way that an electronic instrument does i'd guess it flickers like that because all waves are made of smaller sine waves so we're basically seeing the small very fast rise and fall in charge caused by them which is also why the sounds produced by the coil are so rich in overtones
There was a video I stumbled across a couple years ago about what I believe is called Macrotempo, the concept of making a kick beat of upwards of 1 million BPM, and it had an extremely similar result to Tesla Coil music, where no matter the sound, the frequency increases did in fact make recognizable notes . I believe the spark/boom of the electrical discharge is doing the exact same thing. Basically, I'm pretty sure you're correct, or very near to it if not
Do you guys remember the Veritasium riddle on how long it takes for a lightbulb to turn on, if the cables are extremly long, but the bulb sits next to the source? If your camera records at 1,5 million FPS light would travel only 200 m during two frames. So maybe if you use a km of cables and lamps that switch on incredibly fast it could be possible to actually visualize this effect. For example: 3 lamps (or any other device visually reacting on current), one at the middle of the cable and one at the start and end, but all are equally distanced from the source. All should switch on at the same time.
Electroboom already did the timing with oscilloscope. Doing this with Phantom can be very challenge because in nano seconds you have to have some circuit to trigger the switch while sending the time to Phomtom and we are talking speed of light here which can go weird easily when we mess about timing.
I would like to note that they would all turn on at the same if you count 'dimly lit' as being on. They'll only go fully on when the electricity gets to the lamp through the wire. I can't say anything about the ability of the Phantom to capture this though, but I'm concerned that the difference in brightness may be too much for the Phantom to show what is happening. This may make it seem like nothing is happening in the lamps until they all fully turn on one at a time. If they're able to film with different exposure settings then they could film both stages individually which would show how much or how little difference there actually is in the amount of power the lamps receive :D
@@tbird-z1r Full of it? Not really. But he can misrepresent things for the sake of getting a reaction. What he said about Electricity, for instance, was correct. He just made it sound like it was something nobody really knows. When any electrical engineer was well aware of everything he said.
The "fluff" at 5:55 is quite cool. The resonance shot is at 10:10 - it manages to cool off enough in that time between pulse peaks to show up blinking and it shows up for both peaks within a period. CPU cache operational delays are measured in nanoseconds (billionth, 10^-9) and a clock cycle on a CPU is 1/3 to 1/6 a nanosecond nowadays, reliable on/off switching between the transistors , the gates they form and the operations those form. Quite nuts.
The Phantom 7510 has an input port that allows you to trigger the camera via the emi generated from the Marx generator. I’ve done that before and it allowed me to find the exact point where the spark event happened without sifting through the video at all.
These three have such positive energy I want them to be collaborating permanently!! I love all of them knowledges combining! Seeing electroboom collaborate while they do a sharp charge video would be SOOOO fun!
The ethereal music you play on slowed footage is from a meditation and sleep aid channel that I listened to in a long loop for 6hours uninterrupted so when I watch your videos I get put into an immediate state of zen and want to sleep - thus your channel is calming
Avid viewer of both channels. It’s awesome to see a collab between both. It’s also nice to see Mehdi when he isn’t doing his shtick. As hilarious as his videos are, it’s nice to see a normal person behind them. As an electrical engineer in training, it is super interesting to watch this and consider the principals behind it. I suspect that the spark gaps are probably firing sequentially rather than instantaneously, but the time difference is probably beyond what is measurable even with the TMX. Sort of like your speed of light video. Light is not instantaneous, but it moves so fast that it really takes something incredibly special to see it. I believe theory is that electricity doesn’t move quite at the speed of light, but it isn’t too much slower than that. As you said, to accurately measure it, you would likely need at least 10M fps, maybe more.
One thing I've been wanting to see for a long time is a macro shot of an HID bulb arc. It uses a roughly 20kv initial arc then levels out to 12v. And I think the way it kinda flickers for a split second would look pretty cool in slow mo
Mehdi is easily one of my favorite YT personalities. Stoked that y'all collaborated with him. Haven't even watched this yet and I know it'll end up as my favorite Slow Mo Guys video to date.
@5:54 is essentially how the lightning stepped leader coming from the cloud meets an upward streamer coming from grounded objects. It also demosntrates how the ionized channels first propagate in the air by following corona discharges and when the circuit completes, the unconnected branches discharge. Nice job.
that is crazy. electricity is SO fast that even 1.75 million frames per second can't make it look slow. incredibly humbling if anything, who knows if we'll ever be able to perceive the true magnificence of it
This was amazing!! It’s so cool to see things in our world at such an obsurd frame rate. Just seeing the arc move instantly at 1.75 million is absolutely insane. I hope we can see more of this framerate, so coolll!
When the slow motion footage was playing, with the tranquil bgm, I had goosebumps. Sometimes when the world is slowed down, we can see more hidden details of the already known.
Really liked this one, one of the few things I truly get nerdy about is fractal structures and electrical arcs like this one are an amazing example of natural fractals and it sorta follows chaos theory because of that
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but, The Chaos theory is an interdisciplinary area of scientific study and branch of mathematics focused on underlying patterns and deterministic laws of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions, and were once thought to have completely random states of disorder and irregularities..an electrical arc is in a controlled state in this video, if it were chaotic, it would be shooting arcs everywhere, and the static charge would be attracted to any metallic objects around, as well as zapping a human, these arcs are focused directly onto their hands, therefore it is a controlled arc which means it is NOT following chaos theory...but you gotta love it when people think they know everything 😂
For me the most amazing thing is the visualization that nature works the same in the small scale here as in the really big version back in the "slow mo guys around the world" series and their video lighting hitting the ocean in Asia.
ELECTROBOOM AND THE SLOMOGUYS OMG the legends all in one video. This must have been why there was an earthquake today. They're too powerful to be this close together!
The music theme rolling in the background when they show the Slow Mo footage kind of take my mind to a heavenly place where I feel detached from time and space. Most of their old videos has this same sound. Very beautiful thing to hear. If anybody knows the name of the song... Let me know. Thank you 💜! Awesome video... as always.
Speaking from an electromagnetic and electrical engineering specialist background. What people don't realise is that wherever there is charge, there will be current flow of electrons. It's just so slow or small that you can't recognise it many times. So when lightening or sparks occur, what's happening is all electrons in the air are moving, from even the lowest charge, and as the charge increases, some particles move faster than others and this builds and builds depending on the ionisable properties of particles as well as the electrical charge source. And so the fluff or the "searching" of the electrons really aren't anything to do with lightening finding it's path, but more to do with just the natural already flowing electrons becoming visible due to the increased flow of electrical charge around the visible areas. And charge doesn't flow through the air like one stream, but rather through the entirety of space simultaneously. Think of space itself as made up of like infinite circuits connecting the charge source and it's destination, all in parallel connection with each other and all with differing resistances for the electricity to flow through. And as the electrons increase in flow, these circuits change in their resistance properties. So the reason the Marx generator goes from the higher voltage side is precisely because all current is flowing at all times from it's source to destination. Of course as the air becomes more and more ionised it becomes more and more like a short circuit. And the air becomes more and more ionised as current is flowing faster and faster, even well before you see any ionisation process happening at all. Think of all the capacitors as already flowing current continually, all charge trying to dissipate constantly and simultaneously from all points at different rates. It makes sense the slip stream of the higher voltage would appear first to ionize.
A collab I've wanted for ages. It's always a fun time when Mehdi comes over. I wonder if there is a simple program you could write/get that can do the video skimming for you. Given the enormous brightness difference between active and inactive frames, surely an algorythym can compare them and assemble just the active frames to save you hours of skimming when dealing with these frame speeds. Or at least tag the centre point.
I don't know if Dan will speak to me after going through so much pain!!😈
bro 💀
He should’ve expected nothing less. It’s the price of working with a legend like you!
@UCxZHI-uH9LZ_OygPLFHH0BQ go eat dirt.
Well, you get ionisation switches that go into the MHz repetition range, used for some military radar systems, so expecting less of air is no problem. Also some gas filled tubes would be quite happy oscillating at over 30MHz, so the gas ionisation must be capable of being quenched as fast.
The legend of comedy and knowledge 😂
There is actually a very handy image search feature in the phantom software that would have helped us scan the images for significant changes in pixel values and found the arcs much quicker at 1,750,000. Just need to connect the phantom via ethernet to a laptop. Guess who forgot their usb to ethernet dongle for their USB-C only laptop? Heyoooooo.
(phantom) pain
yea the pain
sweaty palms that a blink of eye can miss the frame
in 19 hr video!
I was wondering why you were sifting through all of those frames manually :D
@@anoobis117 why are we still here?
This is why I love ElectroBOOM. The fact that he knows so much about electricity and is willing to put himself (or Dan) in the line of fire for our entertainment.
I’m impressed by his knowledge, yet amazed at how often he almost kills himself just making a video. I aspire to be just like him someday…
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@Auschwitz Soccer Ref. there's some irony here
@AuschwitzSoccerRef.you're the 12 years old kid
The reason he can mess around so much is precisely because he is so knowledgeable. He knows exactly how far he can take it.
The first Tesla coil experiment played the tune to the pink panther but the movie studio claimed the entire video so I had to cut it out. 😢
just say its a cover
Me going to yt hq : 🤓
That’s just stupid lmao, it’s freaking electricity
@@eXcalibre_ some music is electricity
@@sqlevolicious all digital music is electricity
Mehdi switching between awkward nerd and evil genius is the perfect portrayal of an engineer‘s emotional range :D
Thank you guys for this collab, it was so fun to watch!
@Edline Nannencia no one waited you to be born
Now they just need to pack up that camera and go to Sweden. I want to watch the new monstrosity by Mattias Krantz light up.
It's so cool how nature provides you with a relaxing soundtrack whenever you're in slow mo.
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@@giangtruc3376 ko
most of the sounds at these speeds are edited in by gav, as usually they make no sense at all to human hearing.
@@JoseNovaUltra omg are you sherlock?
@@JoseNovaUltra is joke
I love Medhi. You can tell immediately how genuine he is and how much he absolutely loves what he does. So much fun to watch him with Gav and Dan
Mehdi*
Best guest appearance on the channel if you ask me. And they've had Will Smith and Tony Hawk.
He's always a fun feature to see, his collab with LTT and static electricy was great as well!
Working with Phantoms and searching for that one segment of spark is no joke. I was lucky to film with Phantoms a few videos back, and it gives me a huge appreciation for what Gav and Dan did for this video. What great footage you guys captured, resonant frequency and all.
I was also thinking, maybe they should automate finding the frame with a computer algorithm.
The algorithm doesn't need to be very smart, just "Find all frames that are 50% brighter than the average" would probably be enough to detect the sparks.
It's crazy how much physics can be checked/confirmed from using cameras to see this- though as we see, you do need the cameras that can hit the nanosecond/billion frame per second range to play with lightning, (electricity), just like observing light propagating. We REALLY need you ELECTROBOOM and the Slow Mo Guys to get together and just check/mythbust things about both light and electricity- at the nanosecond scale range. It's a shame equipment that can keep up is so rare lol, at least at this point in time, you need other than a phantom to get to that nanosecond scale range. I really hope we get more opportunities to see these happenings like this resonant frequency example- it's one thing to know it's happening, it's another to be able to "see" fast enough to witness these nutty aspects of physics
@@CD4017BE Well they did, you just have to remember to bring the cable 😅 (See Gavin's comment above)
I was really hoping to find you here.
Now, if Electroboom and you and Steve Mould and Gav and Dan were all in the same place…
We would have a real blockbuster science video,
…and probably a new discovery of science.
it speaks volumes to what you guys are doing, the fact that that obviously brilliant electrical expert is still able to learn things about his own profession by seeing the footage you come up with. great video
The arc pathfinding is really cool to watch
Amazing
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Super
The shopping center is very crowded with many other types of items loaded..
I swear Mehdi is on a quest to see how many UA-camrs he can trick into getting shocked
Tis the job of all us electrical engineers
him and Michael Reeves
it is all for science, it is fine
Has Tom Scott been zapped yet?
@@sedontane not yet to my knowledge at least but we will get him
Mehdi's excitement is palpable. Working with this every day and now knowing the secret slow motion world buried underneath must be so exciting.
dan is that guy who agrees to do everything no matter how dangerous it is
I mean just looking at the difference in lab coats, Gav clearly chooses who goes in the lion's den.
like when he dropped in on the halfpipe and almost shattered his ankle! what a badass
@@zhou_sei His wrist, right?
Totaly Grian with Mumbo Jumbo
Yes it is
Medhi is a legend of an engineer, he's so knowledgable even when they're talking about the frames in slow motion. It was nice to see him on here, the engineering material he does works so well with the slow motion stuff.
It's Mehdi
too bad most got wasted during his flight...
eh not a legend. Still good though
facts
@@michakrzyzanowski8554 who are you to say someones not a legend, this guy may look up to Mehdi and considers him a legend, thatll take this guy far in life. thnk before you say something. opinions are okay but not meant for everyone to agree
Electrical engineer here; My guess on why the marx generator lights up all at once would be that Mehdi IS technically correct, they are filling up from left to right. However, once the first stage is fully charged, my guess is that the impedance between the two discharge nodes is effectively infinite (acting as a perfect open), because there is another path of least resistance within the circuit, going to the next stage capacitor. Once that next stage capacitor fills up, rinse repeat down the line until you finally fill up the very end one. When that one fills to its max capacitance, there is nowhere left for the current to 'freely' move, so everything 'overflows' all at once.
New student here, I thought a capacitor was an open? How come a capacitor fills up? If the impedance makes it effectively an open, I get how the current goes through the short, but if the short leads to another capacitor (open), how is it a short path? Thanks
(Again, just took circuits 1 so I might be missing something)
@@wildavis3016 You are correct, in a DC system, a capacitor will eventually behave as an open, once it receives enough charge to 'fill it up'. Once full, the capacitor denies any further charge, acting as the perfect open (infinite impedance), forcing all the current elsewhere (down the line to the next sets of capacitors). However, if there is sufficient enough voltage potential between the positive and ground/negative sides, the the voltage can actually break down a medium (in this case, by ionizing the air between the two discharge nodes). This arc acts as a very brief short, which totally drains the capacitors, resetting the system.
This is why capacitors are only rated to certain voltage limits, as exceeding these thresholds will cause this same breakdown within the capacitor itself, resulting in the wonderful "pop" we all know and love Mehdi for.
@@Deper91 ok that makes sense thanks
Fact of the matter is, it *must* be a cascade effect, but much like glass breaking, propagates so fast that it is all but impossible to see the behavior.
The giveaway here is that all the gaps have to "close" for anything to jump out of the output (as these are series switches)... But clearly one has to reach potential before all the others, if for no other reason than there will be slight differences in the gaps.
My guess here is that it just so happened that the end gap was the closest, but it could have been anywhere in the chain. Once the first one goes, the others are immediately "over" and fire off in an order relating approximately to the gap sizes.
This may actually be random in appearance, *IF* one could record all of the time in between. Obviously this is extremely difficult.
Once they are all bridged, the output goes hot and an arc is ready to jump if something is close enough.
You'd therefore see the output spring to life after all of the chaos in the gaps is resolved and they are all conducting.
@Kynan That's only true IF there's no reactive components present.
Sorry buddy but been doing this a LONG time and know how it all works. 🤷♂️
This is the greatest collaboration. These two channels have deserved each other for far too long.
The most obvious collab I never would have thought of. Maybe 10-20 years down the line, these guys should do another one, with improved equipment, because the last one was pretty much anti climatic.
I also hope one day to see him collab with Nilered and Cody's Lab.
Jeez, keep your fan fiction to yourself 🤣
After all these years of filming slo mo Dan probably actually is the world's most photographed man ever
i have never thought about that that’s cool
Yeah, they've talked about that before. Unless someone else does a lot of slow mo of themselves it's probably not even close.
In terms of sheer length of footage, maybe. Turning 2.7 seconds into roughly 2 days sure helps.
Y’all beat me to it.
Given that best modern cameras capture more like 70 trillion frames per second, it's far more likely some technician somewhere actually holds the record. They'd only have to be in front of the camera at _most_ 40,000,000-fold less time than Dan. If Dan has spent a cumulative total of a year of his life in front a phantom running at max speed, that'll be like, one second.
Aww! I like how you can tell the guest gets excited it the middle when he can actually see the AC frequency because he starts rocking back and forth ❤️
Medhi: "let me increase the power a little bit..."
Dan: **concerned stare**
Mehdi: IT IS MEHDI
Is it mehdi?
@@levstoffman6238 Yes✌
i thought he said frequency and not power
ElectroBoom and The Slow Mo Guys is the collaboration we didn’t realize we needed :D
Is he Jewish?
I like when how 3 of them meets
You mean *you* didn't realise? Because I have seen thousands of comments including myself waiting for this for years.
You mean the collab suggestion with hundreds of thousands of likes?
Why is the top comment on every collab video some variation of this?
At that framerate, light travels at about 170 m/s. That's just astounding.
That's still 620 km/h, incredibly fast
What great point. I thought how awesome it would be for them to capture that in a wide view then remembered the needed brightness for indirect illumination that goes into the camera 💀💀
Strange? I always thought light (and electrons) travel at 300000000 m/s (in a vacuum). So even in air light is still quite a bit faster than 170 m/s.
@@edwardcarpenter8277 pff xd time in refrence to the cameras footage
I don’t know about you but those numbers look off. If you replay the clip from 1.75 million fps to just 25 fps, that’d be 70,000 times slower than real time.
Doing some calculations… the speed of light would just be going about 4.29 km/s in that clip, which is still incredibly fast to our eyes.
If I’m wrong, do call me out.
I love when guests are so genuinely curious and into what they're doing as well. Watching all three of them learn and discover at the same time was very neat.
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It's cool to compare the actual raw detailed physics to what is often just theory on paper or data abstracted through measurement
Genius collab, awesome results. Mehdi is such a legend
Mehdi is a *_treasure._*
When's your turn gonna be?
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My nebourghood toy store have better "Toys" are they Genius too??
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ElectroBOOM, such an awesome and humble guy.. great collab! 😁
I'm only at 4:13 but it's lowkey terrifying to see where the area around the strike on Dan's finger is glowing yellow from the shock. It's like a miniature version of how people can survive lightning strikes because the absurd temperature only lasts for such an insignificant amount of time
It also shows how terrifyingly powerful lightning is, the extremely high temperature (as in, much hotter than the surface of the sun) only lasts for an insignificant amount of time but can still cause third degree burns and fuse sand into glass. Lighting can literally flash-fry you.
I think that sodium contamination also plays a role here
@@Antek1234l Is there any sodium in the air? Where would the sodium come from? I mean, it's certainly reactive enough, but ...
@@3nertia Well, my theory is that they had sodium - contaminated hands. It may come from a table salt, or maybe even water, because tap water contains small traces of this metal.
@@Antek1234l What about sweat?
Okay being able to see the ACTUAL unedited resonant frequency of a tesla coil arcing is insane!!! That is crazy fast. But yes, I would love it if Mehdi comes back in a few years to revisit this idea with Gav and Dan when they have an even faster camera!
Going to school for engineering atm, this actually helped me make sense of some stuff I have been having trouble visualizing!
That camera is so fast that light moves only 170 meters every frame. You might actually be able to capture some wicked light speed slow-mo with it. Its crazy!
Well. It would require some really funky lenses to capture that distance lol. But they do have a planet slo-mo video showing a stupidly fast laser-based camera that can actually show you like moving across stuff.
@@5peciesunkn0wn At a distance far enough to keep 170m objects in frame, optics will be less of a problem. Making a voltage large enough to draw a 400m arc will require equipment from a different lab. Not even sure the ABB lab in Sweden can do that, and that entire lab is built for testing giant arcs.
The funny thing is, that if the technology gets even better and the footage surpasses lightspeed it will rewind itself and start playing instead of recording. I think. Yeah, nah, yeah, sure thing actually. We are so close to timetravelling right now.
Yeah, you could do some cool stuff with a laser and some mirrors, for sure.
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*God is ONE manifesting himself as THREE;* the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit! Bless him! *For these three are one.*
As I am led by the Holy Spirit, nothing I state is a lie, but the truth of God. Anyone who tells you differently is misinformed or a liar. They do not know God, nor led by him.
Anyone who *claims* to be a Christian and is against what I am doing, and where I am doing it; the Holy Spirit does not dwell within them, they lack understanding. They know not God, read his word, and their religion is in vain. Do not hear them, they will mislead you, the lost cannot guide the lost.
I love how nice Electroboom is in this video and how dangerous and crazy he makes himself seem in his channel.
as a electro guy my self, i know how freaking dangerious it is, but it is a risk we take so that other DONT try it them self without the knowledge.
To be fair a lot of what he does on his channel is just "acting dumb for comedic value" plus copious amounts of capacitors, i doubt he ever puts himself in actual danger :)
That's just how Engineers are
Yeah he has masters in electrical engineering
@@suicidalbanananana I dunno, sitting on a heating element seems unwise. But he knows what we all come for. It's the copious amounts of knowledge that keep us all coming back time and again.
6 minutes and 20 seconds in and this is already the Slow Mo Guys video that feels the most like you guys are three legitimate scientists, the way you hover over the playback screen with these intense stares of fascination, so epic lol
I love how Medhi turns socially awkward as soon as he’s around people… he truly is the mega nerd.
When 3 GOAT meets
I mean he did mention he's an introvert in his presentation
ua-cam.com/video/ZxBF7WC0TQk/v-deo.html here's the vid of his presentation
You should watch his video with Linus tech tips
I disagree, I don't think he is awkward at all
Love this collaboration, very glad to see some scientific pursuit.
a flash of lightning to feel out the terrain, a moment to calculate the route, a flash to see how far it leads, and so on.
I love how Mehdi's instantly like "enough of this x-hundred thousand nonsense! show me a million!"
That's a true EE guy
The arc pathfinding is really cool to watch. I wonder if you can set up a small insulated maze and see if it can solve it.
This would be an awesome experiment. Maybe see how long you can make it
if you filled the maze with water it can
You totally can. It's kind of what a Lichtenberg pattern is.
Heck of a lot faster than slime mold.
solving it is literally the only option for it to short out between both ends.
there's no way not to solve it unless it doesn't get inside the maze in the first place(which would be a fluke and not a valid test)
Mehdi is one of the best entertainers on this whole website, and that's not mentioning his almost unmatched ability to educate.
As for the Slow-Mo Guys, I love that you actually were decently knowledgeable and properly curious on this subject. So many people that do stuff like this just try to inject stupid dumb comedy every 2 seconds which gets really annoying, but is meant to cater to the lowest common denominator. This is a breath of fresh air.
That's nuts you can actually see the AC current actually alternate between on and off. That's really something.
@Edline Nannencia I've not been waiting for any video sorry.
Mehdi's laugh of excitement at 15:15 just radiates his passion on electricity!!
*Mehdi
@@moeinsp2027 my bad, thanks!
Isn't the time 15:03??
Lightning/Electricity was always my favorite physical phenomenon. In any RPG games I'll make a lightning wielder. The idea of the speed and sheer power involved in it is mindblowing.
I would love to see a slo-mo guys' episode of electricity and welding! Like striking an arc, plasma cutting, torch cutting, flux core shooting splatter, sheers and iron workers punching holes and cutting! I think you could see lots of interesting stuff! And it's super lit and easy to film! Also, a Laser engraver would be sweet!
Yes that would be amazing!
Electroboom has been featured in quite a lot of videos these past few months and I love it, Electroboom is a great channel and great personality.
I’d like to argue that the reason you see the last arc flash before the rest is because of the speed in which the electricity bounces across those first several electrodes. The visual of the flashes occurred for the first few only after the last node zaps and the current was completed. It was the last to have received the electrical charge on the line therefore it producing the faint charge until it brightens like the rest of them. You gotta think… the other flashes were almost instantly bright, the last one took a second to light up like the rest. The fact that that charge was moving so fast through the first few nodes didn’t show the visual flash until the current was completed on the last lap. Thats (in my unprofessional opinion) a pretty reasonable assumption.
Dan's reactions are hilarious. :) "let me increase the power a little bit." the head whip is like "wait, what?"
"You're imediately one of the most photographed people in history" What a profound thing to say on a whim. And true. Lol
Hi! Sound guy here! The arcs following the same pattern in the air due to the heating of the particles within the trail also explains the tonal nature of the tesla coils noise that it makes when discharging. You could hook up a MIDI clock output to the frequency regulation, effectively letting you play MIDI music through the tesla coil!
I do hope that little idea turns into a video for you guys! Leave an upvote if you've read this and you'd like to get the idea to Gavin, Dan and ElectroBOOM!Loving this video a lot and I'm only at 2:51
Hope you guys are doing well! Been a massive long time fan for years.
There's always something faster, regardless the framerate 🤯 What a great video, I'll rewatch this several times the coming year(s)...
Sup posy.
Just wanna say I am a big fan of your lcd display video. I also liked you hdr video :)
Love you Posy
I keep going back to the sabering video
Medhi is a real solid guest, taking the piss and all. One of the most fun guests you'd had
This is my favorite thing about UA-cam. When UA-camrs get together and create hybrid content.
Medhi's laugh of excitement at 15:15 just radiates his passion on electricity!!
Thanks, I was looking for the timestamp to not watch the entire video.
Omg really that's so cool my guy!
@@rafakordaczek3275
You're weird.
He is mehdi *meh* and *di*
Mehdi or Mahdi
not medhi
So funny to hear them say "We are starting at 100k" after all of these years of watching them.
As a welder this is something I've always wanted to see, thank you for this
Honestly I think a 12 hour video about the best 631mS section of the 1,75M slo-mo of the tesla’s coil would be sick just because you can. Even if it isn’t much more then a good background video to play throughout the day if you’re into that sort of thing.
So good to see you two together on the reg again!!
The collab that I didn't expect to see on this channel, but i'm really enjoying it so much
OMG OMG OMG OMG
Two of my most favourite UA-cam-Channels do a collab? Awesome !! Thank you sooo much for this one.
i'm not an electrical engineer but if that coil is creating music the way that an electronic instrument does i'd guess it flickers like that because all waves are made of smaller sine waves so we're basically seeing the small very fast rise and fall in charge caused by them which is also why the sounds produced by the coil are so rich in overtones
There was a video I stumbled across a couple years ago about what I believe is called Macrotempo, the concept of making a kick beat of upwards of 1 million BPM, and it had an extremely similar result to Tesla Coil music, where no matter the sound, the frequency increases did in fact make recognizable notes . I believe the spark/boom of the electrical discharge is doing the exact same thing.
Basically, I'm pretty sure you're correct, or very near to it if not
@@Incompetent_Hero Jesus Christ, speedcore’s evolving again!
The collaboration we didn't ask for but needed the most
Do you guys remember the Veritasium riddle on how long it takes for a lightbulb to turn on, if the cables are extremly long, but the bulb sits next to the source? If your camera records at 1,5 million FPS light would travel only 200 m during two frames. So maybe if you use a km of cables and lamps that switch on incredibly fast it could be possible to actually visualize this effect. For example: 3 lamps (or any other device visually reacting on current), one at the middle of the cable and one at the start and end, but all are equally distanced from the source. All should switch on at the same time.
Electroboom has a response video to that.
Perhaps worth watching
Electroboom already did the timing with oscilloscope. Doing this with Phantom can be very challenge because in nano seconds you have to have some circuit to trigger the switch while sending the time to Phomtom and we are talking speed of light here which can go weird easily when we mess about timing.
The influencer Veritasium is mostly full of it.
I would like to note that they would all turn on at the same if you count 'dimly lit' as being on. They'll only go fully on when the electricity gets to the lamp through the wire.
I can't say anything about the ability of the Phantom to capture this though, but I'm concerned that the difference in brightness may be too much for the Phantom to show what is happening. This may make it seem like nothing is happening in the lamps until they all fully turn on one at a time.
If they're able to film with different exposure settings then they could film both stages individually which would show how much or how little difference there actually is in the amount of power the lamps receive :D
@@tbird-z1r Full of it? Not really. But he can misrepresent things for the sake of getting a reaction. What he said about Electricity, for instance, was correct. He just made it sound like it was something nobody really knows. When any electrical engineer was well aware of everything he said.
The "fluff" at 5:55 is quite cool. The resonance shot is at 10:10 - it manages to cool off enough in that time between pulse peaks to show up blinking and it shows up for both peaks within a period.
CPU cache operational delays are measured in nanoseconds (billionth, 10^-9) and a clock cycle on a CPU is 1/3 to 1/6 a nanosecond nowadays, reliable on/off switching between the transistors , the gates they form and the operations those form. Quite nuts.
this video is pure art of nature, it was amazing to see nyquist's theorem proved in such a visual way
Hydraulic Press Channel just did a video about exploding ball bearings. INSANE. Replicating this at the speeds you shoot would be incredible.
the awkwardness was palpable immediately, and it made me love medhi even more
The Phantom 7510 has an input port that allows you to trigger the camera via the emi generated from the Marx generator. I’ve done that before and it allowed me to find the exact point where the spark event happened without sifting through the video at all.
I love learned people totally geeking out on their subject!!! Their enthusiasm is awesome!!! Thank you guys for another great and entertaining vlog!
The fact that the 875k and 1.75million shots look exactly the same, really shows how fast it really is
These three have such positive energy I want them to be collaborating permanently!! I love all of them knowledges combining! Seeing electroboom collaborate while they do a sharp charge video would be SOOOO fun!
Easily one of the best collabs, guys. Well done and here's to more of The ElectroSLOW Guys
Boomer !
@@TheDaringPastry1313 Sooner!
It wouldn’t be a Slow Mo Guys video if there wasn’t something dangerous happening.
To be fair, they did collab with ElectroBOOM so that one was actually expected.
The ethereal music you play on slowed footage is from a meditation and sleep aid channel that I listened to in a long loop for 6hours uninterrupted so when I watch your videos I get put into an immediate state of zen and want to sleep - thus your channel is calming
Avid viewer of both channels. It’s awesome to see a collab between both. It’s also nice to see Mehdi when he isn’t doing his shtick. As hilarious as his videos are, it’s nice to see a normal person behind them. As an electrical engineer in training, it is super interesting to watch this and consider the principals behind it. I suspect that the spark gaps are probably firing sequentially rather than instantaneously, but the time difference is probably beyond what is measurable even with the TMX. Sort of like your speed of light video. Light is not instantaneous, but it moves so fast that it really takes something incredibly special to see it. I believe theory is that electricity doesn’t move quite at the speed of light, but it isn’t too much slower than that. As you said, to accurately measure it, you would likely need at least 10M fps, maybe more.
One thing I've been wanting to see for a long time is a macro shot of an HID bulb arc. It uses a roughly 20kv initial arc then levels out to 12v. And I think the way it kinda flickers for a split second would look pretty cool in slow mo
Absolutely love ElectroBOOM. I'm with Dan. I never made that connection about hot air rising either. Until now.
Mehdi is easily one of my favorite YT personalities. Stoked that y'all collaborated with him. Haven't even watched this yet and I know it'll end up as my favorite Slow Mo Guys video to date.
This was a GREAT collaboration. Super fun to watch.
@5:54 is essentially how the lightning stepped leader coming from the cloud meets an upward streamer coming from grounded objects. It also demosntrates how the ionized channels first propagate in the air by following corona discharges and when the circuit completes, the unconnected branches discharge. Nice job.
You guys have excellent chemistry together and should do more of this collaboration! Great video
I’ve been watching since I was 6, glad to see you guys are still rocking to this day!
that is crazy. electricity is SO fast that even 1.75 million frames per second can't make it look slow. incredibly humbling if anything, who knows if we'll ever be able to perceive the true magnificence of it
They have slowed light down to a crawl. Look up the MIT 1 Trillion frames a second.
This was amazing!! It’s so cool to see things in our world at such an obsurd frame rate. Just seeing the arc move instantly at 1.75 million is absolutely insane. I hope we can see more of this framerate, so coolll!
The collab we never knew we needed. And I believe Dan's found a new friend to blow up stuff I see 😂
“So, the camera and the testicle aren’t broken.”
- Dan
The colab we didn’t know we needed but now cant live without
I love how much fun this was for all of you. It's contagious. Great, and informative video. This was an awesome collab.
It's so cool that nature provides a relaxing soundtrack every time you slow down.
I've wanted you guys to film electric arcs for years now, I was hoping for Photonicinduction but Electroboom is a worthy alternative :)
We need more experimental engineer type dudes like this guy. They are the ones who make the true discoveries.
Electroboom with the Slow Mo Guys,
I had no idea I needed this in my life!
When the slow motion footage was playing, with the tranquil bgm, I had goosebumps. Sometimes when the world is slowed down, we can see more hidden details of the already known.
Really liked this one, one of the few things I truly get nerdy about is fractal structures and electrical arcs like this one are an amazing example of natural fractals and it sorta follows chaos theory because of that
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but,
The Chaos theory is an interdisciplinary area of scientific study and branch of mathematics focused on underlying patterns and deterministic laws of dynamical systems that are highly sensitive to initial conditions, and were once thought to have completely random states of disorder and irregularities..an electrical arc is in a controlled state in this video, if it were chaotic, it would be shooting arcs everywhere, and the static charge would be attracted to any metallic objects around, as well as zapping a human, these arcs are focused directly onto their hands, therefore it is a controlled arc which means it is NOT following chaos theory...but you gotta love it when people think they know everything 😂
@@cunicularium5424 you must be fun at parties 😂
I guess I should also add that “fractal” doesn’t equal “chaotic” either.
@@dylanmcadam8509 come on dude, he does not go to parties
@@cratermoney6941 hahaha fair
For me the most amazing thing is the visualization that nature works the same in the small scale here as in the really big version back in the "slow mo guys around the world" series and their video lighting hitting the ocean in Asia.
ELECTROBOOM AND THE SLOMOGUYS OMG the legends all in one video. This must have been why there was an earthquake today. They're too powerful to be this close together!
Mehdi could be such a good addition to the crew! He's great!
Just love how it's a bunch of dudes having fun staring at electricity move very slowly 😂♥️. Love you guys!
5:25 LMAOO this looked nuts
ElectroBOOM after giving everyone 5 heart attacks: Your honor, it was merely a tiny but of trolling
best Combo EVER!!! slow mo guys and ElectroBOOM
@@Theslowmoguys0147 What a lovely bot
The music theme rolling in the background when they show the Slow Mo footage kind of take my mind to a heavenly place where I feel detached from time and space. Most of their old videos has this same sound. Very beautiful thing to hear. If anybody knows the name of the song... Let me know. Thank you 💜! Awesome video... as always.
This has truly been the most informative thing I've ever watched, thank you
Speaking from an electromagnetic and electrical engineering specialist background. What people don't realise is that wherever there is charge, there will be current flow of electrons. It's just so slow or small that you can't recognise it many times.
So when lightening or sparks occur, what's happening is all electrons in the air are moving, from even the lowest charge, and as the charge increases, some particles move faster than others and this builds and builds depending on the ionisable properties of particles as well as the electrical charge source. And so the fluff or the "searching" of the electrons really aren't anything to do with lightening finding it's path, but more to do with just the natural already flowing electrons becoming visible due to the increased flow of electrical charge around the visible areas. And charge doesn't flow through the air like one stream, but rather through the entirety of space simultaneously. Think of space itself as made up of like infinite circuits connecting the charge source and it's destination, all in parallel connection with each other and all with differing resistances for the electricity to flow through. And as the electrons increase in flow, these circuits change in their resistance properties.
So the reason the Marx generator goes from the higher voltage side is precisely because all current is flowing at all times from it's source to destination. Of course as the air becomes more and more ionised it becomes more and more like a short circuit. And the air becomes more and more ionised as current is flowing faster and faster, even well before you see any ionisation process happening at all. Think of all the capacitors as already flowing current continually, all charge trying to dissipate constantly and simultaneously from all points at different rates. It makes sense the slip stream of the higher voltage would appear first to ionize.
A collab I've wanted for ages. It's always a fun time when Mehdi comes over.
I wonder if there is a simple program you could write/get that can do the video skimming for you. Given the enormous brightness difference between active and inactive frames, surely an algorythym can compare them and assemble just the active frames to save you hours of skimming when dealing with these frame speeds. Or at least tag the centre point.