This is why the first X-men movie was so accurate, because his bones were not just completely covered in the Adamantium. When you look at the x-ray, you see the Adamantium was applied in a series of plates in strategic areas. So this would allow for his ligaments and tendons to stay attached to his bones yet still have his bones covered in Adamantium. Even in Wolverines wrist, in the x-ray you see the Adamantium pockets that his claws would have to travel through as to not damage any other part of his wrist or hand. In X-men Origins they completely messed up the detail of how it would actually be done. The details in the first X-men movies was amazing. Even down to the screws in Wolverines claws at the base. Watch the scene on the train where Magneto stretches Wolverine's claws out to the limit, you actually see screws at the base of his claws.
I think it’s because in the movies before „X-Men Origins“ the Idea was not that Logan has bone claws covered in metal. In X2 Striker said to Wolverine: „you were an animal than, you are an animal now. I just gave you claws.“
@@DerHappen indeed. Back in the day, he didn’t actually have claws at all, just a healing factor, animalistic senses and instincts, and super strength. Striker gave him the claws.
Decades ago, the explanation was that Logan's entire skeleton was replaced with adamantium, not infused with adamantium. The sheaths for his claws to be stored in, the path for each to travel, and his wrist structure was engineered specifically for the claws to operate. And his forearms consisted of multiple smaller rods of adamantium so they acted like a cage that the claws were stored in when retracted.
@@brycethoreson9216 ye, they would have to find some place to fit all that bone marrow so the blood gets made as good as normal. Otherwise he will need to be like a vampire and suck up blood regularly to live. What they could say tho is that the adamantium replaced calcium in his bones, making them stronger as the structure and capability of the bone would be the same, just with a way stronger metal than calcium inside of them
The actual explanation given is that his healing factor basically broke down the coating and adapted to it, creating (so far as I know) the only case of adamantium beta. Basically, the adamantium became a natural component of his bones, maintaining the ability to produce blood cells, heal attached ligaments, etc. The metal became a natural component of the bones. As far as muscles to move the claws, considering the length of movement, traditional claw deployment is out and he would actually need two sets of muscles, one for extension, one for retraction, since muscles technically only ever pull.
@@XygnusX something about his healing factor treating it like a toxin and the injection being fluid when applied. I don't know that it really went that deep. Just comic logic.
Apparently the current explanation for the muscles in the claws is their natural state is extended, so they would only need to have muscles for retraction.
How do Wolverine's claws work? Realistically, they don't. The bones of his arms do not allow the claws to eject through his wrists properly and when they are exrended there is nothing holding them in place except a thin layer of flesh. Any downward blow with sufficient force to cut would rip them right out of his hands. And coating his bones with adamantium would kill him, you need blood vessels going in and out to keep the bones alive and healthy. It might work if you used a full robotic body.
@@travisnaumann8046 The mechanics remain the same, he just does not go by established normal physics. A trait common in all superheroes actually. If his wrists were anatomically very different it would be easy to notice. same with the back of his hand. And wolverine's claws aew not long and straight on the real animal.
I always imagine Wolverine's claws muscles are like tongue muscles and his wrist ligaments are really flexible and durable enough not get cut like how some silk and kelvar thread are.
It makes sense that Wolverine's ligaments would tear apart to make room for the claws to fit in between the bones, explains why in the first Xmen movie when Rogue asks him if it hurts when the claws come out, Logan says "everytime". Good thing that his healing factor works so well.
Although it actually doesn't. The adamantium actually keeps his healing factor from acting at 100% due to the fact that the metal is poisonous and his healing factor is constantly keeping him from dying of poison. This whole concept is why as an old man, he can be killed because his healing factor isn't as strong as it used to be. Hell when all the mutants lost their power after House of M, Wolverine was actually dying from adamantium poisoning.
he probably breaks his wrist every time the claws come out but it instantly heals in place, and when he retracks it breaks the ligaments again but its continues to heal. There was a quote from one of the movies, i forget which, where hes asked if it hurts and he says "every time". hes basically acknowledging thats its a painful event but he can heal through it quickly and has got used to the pain to some degree.
in the comics he tells Jubilee that he never gets used to it and it's painful every single time, but he pops them out several times a day to keep the holes and channels open like pierced ears, but it's still painful every single time. But psychologically yeh, he could get used to the pain. Like I tore the cartilage in my knee and have permanent fractures in my calf on the same leg, none of which can be healed or surgically fixed so I have to live with the pain til the day I die. Yes it still hurts but my mind has gotten so used to the pain that it seems to hurt way less than it did in the beginning. Though keep in mind it still does hurt.
That was in the first X-Men movie when he meets Rogue for the first time. But yeah this theory perfectly lines up with Logan saying that it hurts every time they come out
@@hobbitpsisorry about your pain. The Dr give you pain meds? I have carpal tunnel syndrome, and I wear a brace and im on Vicodin. I've had this problem for years.
During the series where Logan gets his adamantium rip off his bones by Magneto, this is when the X-Men found out Logan's claws were part of his body natually. Additionally, his healing factor was kicked into overdrive to try and keep him alive to the point where it temporarily "burned out". I think it was Kitty Pryde who asked him about the claws and why he keeps using them when his healing factor is down and he says he wants to "keep the channels open", knowing full well he normally slices through his own skin so for the time he opts to keep the "wounds" open and essentially lets his body heal around them, much like how ppl tend to do with holes made for ear piercings, so that he can use his claws without further damaging himself during his more vulnerable time.
Also in that series he became a lot more powerful because they tried to put the adamantium back and his body refused it and he went berserk and his healing factor became so much better and faster
This brings up every point that I always wondered about Wolverine as a kid and even more. As many people have pointed out, Wolverine being a mutant and having even slightly different physiology from normal people could easily explain how his bones and ligaments can grow to be very similar to normal humans, while still allowing room for narrow bone claws attached to thin yet incredibly strong extender muscles. The bone claws specifically could possibly slide in between the ligaments and tendons in the forearm and wrist and not cause as much damage before they’re fully ejected and the damage done can immediately heal, plus the ligaments and muscles being incredibly strong could absolutely explain how his claws don’t get ripped through his hand when he slashes with them. The adamantium does add a ton of problems like you mentioned, from slicing and cutting muscles and tendons to potentially cutting off red blood cell production and and other vital functions. They actually did address this in the comics a long time ago where Wolverine actually did get sick from adamantium poisoning, and his bones eventually got re-grafted with adamatium that had small gaps allowing normal functions to be unaffected while still giving the strength of the metal to his bones. The claws slicing tendons and ligaments issue could also work the same way as with his bone claws as well, to where the damage done is immediately healed and adjusted around the tendons that hold the claws in place
There was once a scene in the comics where Wolverine was explaining it to Jubilee where he explained that he actually had to pop his claws out several times a day, just to keep the holes and such open and free for his claws, as he put it "like pierced ears". Though when Jubilee asked if it stopped the pain Logan responded with "Nope."
His pain when his claws coming out hurts everytime in the first xmen movie when Rogue asks "does it hurt when they come out?" And he says "everytime" it's because he's grown used to the pain
I always assumed the adamantium blades were just molded over the ends of his already existing claws. Meaning the blades extend the same way his bones did. Adamantium can't be destroyed, so there's no need to replace the bones encased within it.
Until The Wolverine happened😅 I guess the X-Men movies version of adamantium is based on the Ultimate Universe version which in fact was breakable best example Hulk ripped Wolverine in half
@@markmagician2471 In The Wolverine his claws were broken by a sword that was also made of Adamantium and super heated. Like how Wolverine was able to decapitate Weapon XI after his claws were superheated by the optic blast.
@@markmagician2471 I am aware of that. Just pointing out that what happened in The Wolverine isn't proof that movie Adamantium is based on Ultimate Adamantium.
Fun fact: The advantages of his indestructible skeleton comes at the cost of limiting his healing factor, being that having all your bones covered in metal would be lethal 100% of the time to anyone without healing powers. So his healing factor didn't just allow him to survive the procedure, but keeps him alive afterwards.
Theory: Logan's healing gene adapted to incorporate the adamantium into his body. His bones aren't simply coated in adamantium, but the adamantium is now part of the bone, like a biometal. Even when getting blown to bits, he is able to almost fully regrow his body, including his skeleton, the few rare times it has been damaged.
Marvel has shown wolverine's anatomy (along with his family's) on how the claws work and how the adamantium process was done in Marvel: Anatomy book. A great book I'd recommend as shows everything from aliens to mutants, wonders of science, advanced technology to inhumans.
In reality, Wolverine's claws would be smaller than what artists would like to depict. Knowing that he had bone claws at first his anatomy would already be prepared to be clawed. His muscle and ligament structure would be different than any other human. So yes, he could be clawed. Yet, they wouldn't be nearly as large as what's depicted.
Some artists also give him oddly proportioned arms to justify the length of his claws by making his forearms longer and his upper arm smaller, or just the former.
Also (if my memory isn’t failing me) the Adamantium Wolverine has is called “Adamantium Beta” and it distinguishes itself from regular Adamantium in that it is “organic” somehow. Which means it expands and contrasts or bends just like our regular bones do. This explains how Wolverine is able to breath, since it requires the thoracic to expand and contract alongside the lungs.
It became Adamantium beta after it fused to his skeleton and his healing factor adapted to it. It's also been said that due to the poisonous nature of the adamantium, it's slowly reducing Logan's healing factor the older her gets it's why in the Old Man Logan comics and in the Logan movie he is weaker than he used to be.
Logan actually explained what happened when he pops his claws without straightening his wrists. He was drunk when he did it and they went through his palm.
I studied anatomy & physiology & I figured the metal didn’t coat the bones, but bonded to the molecular cells of bones. Therefore, the bones still maintain their A&P
In the old times the writers used the vague term "laced" to describe the weapon x scientists having laced his bones with adamantium (leaving it open to speculation exactly what that means) -- but it does suggest that the process involved something other than just dipping and covering every bit of bone in a total painted coat of metal. It suggests there is more of a lattice or framework of adamantium around his bones.
The really technical thing I never understood about X-men origins: Wolverine (the movie) was, even when they showed the adamantium procedure, they dont show how the adamantium claws get their knife-like shape!! He goes in with bones claws and comes out with shiny metal knives!
That's less technical and more artistic choice. His bone claws were always supposed to be knives shaped, but for some reason like they do in the comics when they show the metal claws they look more round than actual razors. It's something that's always bugged me, but yeh. The metal just coated his claws, the shape they have is what the bone claws were already supposed to look like.
As someone who currently has fractured carpals and a fractured metacarpal. Once you bring up the bone structure I freaked out because of that scene with Rogue in X1, "Does it hurt?" "Every time." Like I am literally having to relearn new ways to eat, write, and even wipe my butt over this injury... and they ALL hurt.
I like how in Logan his adamantium skeleton is slowly killing him and he can no longer rejuvenate his body regularly. Also it makes sense his bones and muscles would shift if his bones were naturally able to retract and protract out his knuckles
Prior to Age of Apocalypse, after Magneto sucked every ounce of adamantium from his bones at a subatomic level, Wolverine was in the Danger Room. He was getting his ass kicked, then bone claws erupted from his hands, in shock to everyone watching. Wolverines healing factor allowed his body to fuse the adamantium to his bones on a molecular level, while still allowing the skeletal system to remain nourished by the body. Hence the reason for the pain. His body was being subjected to lethal doses of heavy metal poisoning until the process was finished. Supposedly the adamantium also calms his innate feral nature. So when Stryker in X2 asks Logan what happened to him, it was a reference to the adamantium taming him. The claws, once extended, probably stay in place with a combination of bone, cartilage, and muscle tissue. His body was born with these claws, so obviously, they would have a system in place to extend and lock them in place.
It’s got a segmented and telescoping design… The claws are composed of several interlocking segments that can collapse into each other, much like the segments of a telescoping antenna. When retracted, these segmented claws fold into a compact form and fit neatly within the specially designed sheaths inside Wolverine’s forearms. The sheaths run parallel to the bones (radius and ulna) and are lined with a smooth, durable material that supports the claws. His unique musculature and tendon structure are adapted to control the extension and retraction of the claws. Specific muscles contract to push the claws out and relax to pull them back in.
Considering some of the official measurements for how long his claws are, and how his forearms just aren’t long enough to hold them when not extended, I wonder if there’s meant to be a telescoping component to them.
As Mr. Fantastic once pointed out during an exam when his healing factor failed, everytime he resheathes his claws, he’s pulling ungodly amounts of bacteria and germs into his body. Just popping his claws in his current condition, could lead to sepsis
The OG version of his claws - as designed for him to be a military weapon - was that the metal housings on top of his knuckles have silicone seals (which require replacing from time to time) that would create a barrier -- although with his healing factor you could argue what's the point in protecting against disease.
@@willarms5510 One thing about the movie that always bugged me that the comics have shown, is in the movie why isn't his claws covered in blood or at least blood shoot out from his knuckles when the blade come out?
@@hobbitpsi It did happen in the Days of Future Past movie, it's most noticeable when Logan is having his panic attack after seeing Stryker in the past, you can see blood quickly burst out of his hands when his claws pop.
Far as the adamantium killing him due to covering his bones and all that with the blood cells, the comics actually covered that when all mutants were de-powered after the House of M story and when it showed, wolverine, he was dying due to the adamantium. Why doesn't it kill him? Well because him, Sabertooth, and Deadpool all have ungodly healing abilities...Deadpool the best out of the three, but it basically makes them immortal and immune to everything.
Because while the movies and comics show the bone claws as more rounded, the bone claws were actually described as razor sharp where it bottom of the bones claws were supposed to have thinned to a sharpness and his healing factor made them much stronger than normal bones. So the bladed adamantium claws we see are supposed to just be the metal coating the shape of the bone claws which already were supposed to look like that.
Originally his claws were gloves but that was quickly changed when they realized they didn't want his specialty to be something anybody could just pick up and put on. The first couple decades or so has his claws come from the weapon X program, not from his mutant powers. Those engineered claws explain the sharpness. They later retconned the claws to become part of his mutant powers because they didn't want him to lose his claws when Magneto ripped his adamantium out, and so he got bone claws.
I preferred the claws being separate weapons from his body that were implanted by Weapon X during the adamantium-ization of his skeleton as depicted in 1989's "The Wolverine Saga." The bone claws are a retcon that wasn't canonical until 1994 when Magneto pulled all the adamantium out of his skeleton. The claws should be an enhancement that was added, much like Captain America's shield. The weapon is separate from the super serum soldier. The reason for this preference is a separate high tech weapon grafted onto his body could get around complicated anatomical issues that bone claws would cause in his hands and forearms. For example, claw sheaths on top of musculature instead of embedded in it. Also, solid metal flaws are more durable than coated bone claws, they (somehow through design) don't produce constant self-injury when extending when used with the glove tubes, and they would permit him to do things like climb with the claws without tearing the bones out of his arm. They could also allow him through design to supinate his hands (palms up) with the claws extended--important for things like keeping the claws extended while crawling. Additionally, having bone claws as a mutation makes no sense since bones can't be sharp enough to do much damage and would break and hurt him if he used them too aggressively. For those who say his claws are based on those of feral animals like big cats, their claws aren't as long as an entire forearm, and animal claws are curved. A long bone claw pulled a certain way in the heat of combat would snap like a twig, as Sabretooth demonstrated when he stomped on them and broke them. It's a weakness that makes them more like antlers (which are routinely broken) than claws. Making his bone claws one of his mutations just gives him more weaknesses, not strengths. Wolverine's skeleton being heavy because it is coated in adamantium is nonsense, as he has been carried by characters in flight like Storm, who lacks super strength. The healing factor has also been sped up to almost instantaneous levels. This is done to minimize combat downtime and to make combat bloodier and more exciting. In the movies he constantly takes hits. In the older comics he dodges. Healing from a gunshot wound in a day made more sense to me than treating Wolverine like a Terminator zombie. Death from rapid blood loss should still be a concern (your healing factor can't kick in if you bleed out before it finishes the healing process). In the films, he doesn't even bleed when the claws extend from his bare hands. Is the healing factor really that fast? The adamantium poisoning detail was not mentioned in comics until 2000. Lastly, the claws are depicted inconsistently. Some artists draw them as pointed stilettos while others draw them as having squared off razorblade edges. In some of the movies, the claws look terrible. They look like blunt butter knives coming from between his knuckles, not from the back of his hand. In short, many of the now canonical innovations of the character made since 2000 under the editorship of Joe Quesada I do not agree with because these changes are silly (children/clones of Wolverine, etc.). But Wolverine is a "cool" character so he is given endless gimmicks as plot armor. Kind of like how Batman always finds something to repel from when he is falling. Unfortunately, now an entire generation of fans has grown up with these newer ideas and consider newer runs by writers after Chris Claremont to be good content. For me, only the team of Claremont and Jim Lee can really do the character justice, with his peak being in the late 80s and early 90s, especially X-Men #1 in 1991, the highest selling comic book in history by many accounts with 8 million sold. Now Marvel gives away 30,000 comics for $10 a month. That shows that the value of their IP is in their films, not their comics, which now do not retain value since they can be infinitely digitally reproduced.
No matter which way you think makes more sense of how they work, there’s still a glaring issue that’s always bugged me; once extended they would be so flimsy from side to side. Since they are fully extended they’re isn’t much metal left INSIDE the hand and arm still to securely anchor them so they can’t be easily jerked to either side.
I prefer the way the claws were explained in Weapon X. The claws were an accident, caused by pumping too much adamantium into his body. Once the scientists saw that the claws could be used as weapons, they created the silicon sheathes in his arms and ejection ports on the back of his hands. Presumably they also created the mechanism that controlled the movement of the claws.
I prefer the claws being cybernetic implants meant to make him a deadlier guy like in the OG books. An average mutant only has two mutations tops. Jean Grey has telepathy and telekinesis, Nightcrawler has a devil body and teleportation, Emma Frost has telepathy and diamond skin etc etc. So Wolvie having bone claws on top of healing and animal senses out the womb just kinda felt too OP. Having the Metal skeleton and claws be add ons make it way more palatable
What about how in the comics his claws come through almost the top of his hand with his claw ejectors or whatever you call them. And then in the live action movies they come in between his knuckles. Ive always wondered the differences in how they work with both styles
Back then when it showed the claws come from those slots in the back of the hand, it wasn't know that the claws were literally naturally a part of his body. The lore of wolverine was so fragmented back then. Now days the artists usually put the slots closer to his knuckles or at his knuckles but some still use the back of the hand. it's artistic choice tbh. Like how Batman is depicted as lean and muscular and sometimes he completely jacked.
The truth behind how Wolverine's adamantium claws work, is this- PAY ATTENTION! His claws come out against his enemies, for the simple reason that they've been trying to reach out to people. It's about their vehicles' extended warranties.
The small bones of his hands don't actually just slide out of the way of the blades, the blades actually break them into fragments. If the blades are anything like titanium, the bone could possibly even graft onto it as Logan regenerates as a sort of organic brake system. Either way, those three original movies were hardcore.
Not gonna try and get all detailed but in original comics as briefly mentioned in the video, his claws came out of the little metal pieces, sheaths if you will. But what isn't mentioned in more detail is that they came out above and between his knuckles, only since the movies have they been shown coming from between the knuckles and fingers. So that indicates that they would have to come out maybe from the lower inside of his wrist and forearm. Again not gonna try and dissect how that would work, but I would think there would be less bone and muscle issues, only the tearing of flesh when popping out his hands. The sheaths would also go basically to his wrist and maybe connect and or click together with similar sheath in forearm. As his claws are arched so would the sheaths thus missing some or all of the vital tendons and stuff. Before adamantium the muscles and things would naturally form around them as to not cause any damage aside from popping out the top of his hands because they are only really sharp at the point and roughly rounded throughout the rest of the claw. even though he does slash when striking, in reality it would be a stab motion that would be the most effective maneuver. The clean slash damage would be when only the tips would make contact with the surface of what ever he's attacking, otherwise it would have more of a tearing effect i.e. not a clean cut. The adamantium was somehow shaped to create a more effective strike, improving attack ability.
Not exactly, in the comics it was always artistic choice. In the some Wolverine comics back in the 90s they showed his claws coming from between his knuckles. Hell there was a storyline after wolverine got his adamantium ripped from his body that he went completely feral and he's unleash his claws even when his fingers were extended and the claws literally were between his fingers. Like I said, it was just artistic choice. The going above the knuckles and the back of the hands was the old artistic choice, back when the origin of his claws were that Weapon-X implanted the claws into him and they weren't natural.
I always preferred the more simple explanation of the metal guiding things on the backs of each of his hands. So the claws are guided above his bones and ligaments coming out the top of his hands instead of between his knuckles.
My theory is that the adamantium is not a solid coating, or an infusion. But more akin to a latice or mesh covering the bones. Thus allowing the ligaments attachment points and allowing the bones to "breath" with many microscopic holes for blood flow. Less like chrome on a bumper, but more like a buckyball glove.
What you say is true, but it's a difference that even a lot of fans wouldn't even notice. To be honest, the way they do in the movie would have more leverage and stability and just makes more sense
either way if he doesn't straighten out his arms it would come out of around his wrist which would suck because his hands would be stuck in a position I supose and his hands would be in a awkward position Or on his palm
They literally grafted the adamantium skeleton into the place of his existing one.Then his healing factor,cuz of he being a mutant,did the rest of it. And instead of his regular beast claws,he gets the sick adamantium ones. End of story.
Actually, they made them preposterously large and proportionally incorrect for the 2003 movie franchises. If you watch the 1997 Fox cartoon, his claws are so thin, they fit between his knuckles. And the metal is unbreakable, so it doesn't need to be as big as they made it, it was an aesthetic choice that is non cannon.
This only discusses the film version of the claws. The comic version, extending from the back of the hands, not between the fingers, is actually a more realistic portrayal.
I see everyone miss this one detail. That when retracted he cannot rotate his fists if they are in between his bones. Those pivot and twist. If something is in the middle they cannot move.
The claws seem to fan out from his hand, so either adamantium is flexible, or the blades criss-cross and rip out of the sides of his forearms when retracted. Or they cross somehow in levels and pop out the top and bottom of his forearms. Or they displace the bones in his arms. If they are not flexible then the blades should only be set as the width of Logans’s wrists. Or it’s a fictional comic book character and it doesn’t really matter how the blades work because it’s fiction.
I do have a question about X-23 from the Logan movie. Since she was a kid when her bones were grafted with adamantium, does that mean she will stay that size for the remainder of her presumably long life and since her bones are wanting to grow and are unable to do so, because of the adamantium coating them, would she be in a state of constant growing pains?
6:00 Just to give some context, within the Marvel multiverse (MCU and comics) there are different types of adamantium. Proto-Adamantium is 1 of 2 metals (2ed being Vibranium) used to create the alloy for Captain America's shield in the comics. True Adamantium (sometimes known as Primary Adamantium) was an attempt to recreate Proto-Adamantium. The main difference is True Adamantium can be reproduced. No one has been able to recreate the latter. True Adamantium was used on Wolverine during the Weapon X program, however due to his healing factor effecting it during the bonding process the metal underwent a molecular change, becoming known as Adamantium Beta. It retains all properties of True Adamantium, however it does not inhibit the natural biological processes of bone. This includes making red blood cells as well as natural mending of bone. While there are only a handful of ways by specific individuals (Magneto, Apocalypse, Worldbreaker Hulk, etc), Wolverine has had his bones broken or misshaped. But thanks to his healing factor any such broken or damage bones have returned to normal.
What I really wonder is how his body manages to counter the leverage put on his skin and muscles when he uses his claws to cut something. There is no real support structure above them and there can't be any behind them because otherwise they'd be too long and stick out of elbow when protracted.
Honestly this is why in the comics Wolverine is depicted as so jacked and bulky. Because even if they didn't sit perfectly in his forearms and didn't move there's just so much mass that no one would notice also it's that mass that would allow him to use them to slash things without them ripping through. Gotta remember his healing factor also affects his muscles, so he's be a lot more durable than normal. Not invulnerable but much more durable especially if you consider that for muscles when you build muscle you're literally tearing them and letting them heal itself so like any ripped point the areas get tougher and considering Wolverine has explain he literally pops his claws out several times a day to keep the hole and channels open like pierced ears, the muscle mass around his knuckles, wrists and forearms would be extremely tough.
The OG language used regarding the adamantium process is that his bones were "laced" with adamantium -- suggesting that the metal does not cover them entirely but was applied in some kind of lattice structure.
The bone claw thing is total bunk. I remember from the comics he didn't have claws till after the infusion with adamamtium. His healing factor created the claws as a side effect.
You forgot about the veins that connect into bones. Since red blood cells are manufactured in the bone marrow. There are vessels that transport that to the blood stream and in turn nourish the bone marrow. I always wondered this along with the tendon connections. Love the video man.
I just want to know why Logan's teeth aren't metal? Its not bone, but Its always shown how the metal is all over his bones including his teet.. except his teeth? 7:26 Even in Deadpool & wolverine, Deadpool is talking to Logan's metal skeleton and the teeth are silver as well. Just curious😅i think it would look cool if Logan's teeth were shown covered in metal.\|/ \|/
I think he missed the point of the adamantium towards the end. His bones are not covered in Adamantium, they are fused with it. So they are still able to carry out all of their normal functions whilst being partly made of metal.
The easiest way to explain this is that Logan healing factor further evolved in his mutation when he was involved in the Weapon X program to get the adamantium procedure. It explains why his ligaments and muscles further extended and changed. I do believe it was because of the Adamantium. He is a mutant, who says that their mutation just stops right where it is. I’m the comics mutants still continue to evolve in powers and biology all the time
And yet the comics have explained the opposite of your theory. Yes his healing factor does make his muscles stronger, but the adamantium is killing him. Because the mtal is poisonous his healing factor is working 24/7 to keep the adamantium from killing him, so much that it reduces his healing factor a bit and by the time he's old man Logan (from the comics and the movie) his healing factor is almost completely gone.
2:33 every time I see this scene I always imagine Wolverine thinking of every kind of insult towards magneto considering he couldn’t control his movements anymore as he runs at him must’ve been a moment he never thought he would’ve been able to have
His claws should be way wider than they are. The bone that they are grafted to has always been shown to be about as big circumference wise as let’s say an index finger. So at their base his claws should be much bulkier then more narrow as you get closer and closer to the ends where there IS no bone.
In all the years prior to the introduction of bone claws, his claws were never drawn large enough to have those bones underneath them. There is really no way to reconcile the concepts visually. If you want those bones to be underneath his claws you just have to accept that all prior depictions were drawn too thin/small.
Logan didn't volunteer for the Weapon X project and "allow" metal to be grafted to his skeleton, he was abducted and experimented on against his will. Read the comics, Weapon X is one on the best ever. Downvoted for ignorance.
One thing I do think is that it doesn’t hurt because I think that above where the holes are that they come out is that there are layers of thin skin that have no nerves and no muscles and no blood just pieces of skin above the holes where they come out so I think it doesn’t hurt. I think it’s just like, his healing factor just a little bit of skin that immediately grows when he reveals them or put them back in between his knuckles
I've always why/how his claws are sometimes bladed. When they're bone they're always round, but a lot of depictions turn into knives when metal. That always bugged me. And when they aren't depicted as blades, how do they cut?
That's artistic choice, but the shape of the metal blades are actually what his bone claws are supposed to look like. In the comics Wolverine's bone claws are still said to be razor sharp that he can slash through a lot of things. The movie and lot of the artists for some reason just always depict the bone claws to be rounded and only sharp at the points.
I still want to know how pumping liquid metal into his bone claws which are round and come to a point result in turning them into razor sharped edged weapons that are perfectly smooth and polished?
In the first X-Men movie rogue asked Logan if it hurt when he extended his claws and he told her every time regardless of the explanation of how his claws work it's due to the fact that his mutant healing Factor helps him to heal and in another X-Men movie I can't remember which one but sabertooth literally broke Logan's bone claws so the bones are part of his arm and in the experiment where they grafted the antimantiam to his bones they had to drill into his bones to fuse it to his Skelton.
You're thinking the movie Wolverine. It wasn't sabretooth in the movie who broke his claws it was Silver Samurai. In the comics Sabretooth broke wolverines bone claws after Magneto ripped the adamantium from Logan's skeleton and it got grafted it to Sabretooth. But even in the comics his bone claws grew back.
I just thought that he had two sets of bones in his forarms to his knuckles and that the adamantium mix with his healing factor morphed the second set of bones to make and shape the claws.
What I originally thought was before the operation he was mostly human possessing only healing power. When the adimantium was put into his body this caused his healing power to kick into over drive and caused his body to have a secondary mutation becoming more animal like . His claws spontaneously grew he got slightly more hairy developed feral senses and a bad attitude.
You're describing Wolverine in the 90s which personally I think was the better wolverine, but hell I remember when the origin was that Logan was literally a mutated wolverine that mutated into a human form so.... eh.
😂 ok so with this explanation being so in depth, I’m sitting like wait.. what… but yet so intrigued and loving the explanation and at that exact same time saying oh now it makes sense!!!
Maybe to make it more realistic, we can say they mixed his bones and the metal using a process called, "metal binding". What they did was the modified his genes, or the antimentium metal, or both, so that way the metal can join within the skelletal tissues, or the proteins of each part of his body. Your body naturally metal binds. Here are some examples of metals that bind in the body: Metal binding in the body plays a crucial role in numerous physiological processes, as metals often act as cofactors or structural components in proteins and enzymes. Here are some examples: 1. Iron (Fe) Binding Hemoglobin: Iron binds to the heme group in hemoglobin, enabling oxygen transport in red blood cells. Myoglobin: Iron in the heme group stores oxygen in muscle tissue. Cytochromes: Iron participates in electron transport and energy production within mitochondria. 2. Zinc (Zn) Binding Zinc Fingers: Structural motifs in proteins where zinc stabilizes the folding of DNA-binding domains. Carbonic Anhydrase: Zinc is essential for the enzyme’s catalytic activity in maintaining pH balance. Alcohol Dehydrogenase: Zinc facilitates the metabolism of alcohol in the liver. 3. Calcium (Ca) Binding Calmodulin: A calcium-binding protein that regulates various cellular activities, including muscle contraction and enzyme activation. Troponin: Binds calcium to regulate muscle contraction in skeletal and cardiac muscles. Bone Mineralization: Calcium binds to hydroxyapatite crystals, providing strength to bones and teeth. 4. Magnesium (Mg) Binding ATP: Magnesium stabilizes the negatively charged phosphate groups in ATP, facilitating energy transfer. Ribosomes: Magnesium helps maintain the structural integrity of ribosomes during protein synthesis. DNA and RNA Polymerases: Magnesium acts as a cofactor in nucleotide binding and catalysis. 5. Copper (Cu) Binding Cytochrome c Oxidase: Copper is involved in electron transport during cellular respiration. Ceruloplasmin: A copper-binding protein that aids in iron transport and oxidation. Superoxide Dismutase (SOD): Copper is part of this enzyme that protects cells from oxidative damage. 6. Cobalt (Co) Binding Vitamin B12 (Cobalamin): Cobalt is an integral part of Vitamin B12, essential for DNA synthesis and red blood cell formation. 7. Manganese (Mn) Binding Manganese Superoxide Dismutase (MnSOD): Protects cells from oxidative damage in mitochondria. Arginase: Manganese is required for the urea cycle, which removes ammonia from the body. 8. Selenium (Se) Binding Glutathione Peroxidase: Selenium is a cofactor for this antioxidant enzyme. Selenoproteins: These proteins play roles in thyroid hormone metabolism and protection against oxidative stress. 9. Molybdenum (Mo) Binding Xanthine Oxidase: Molybdenum is necessary for purine metabolism and uric acid production. Sulfite Oxidase: Involved in the metabolism of sulfur-containing amino acids. These examples highlight how metal ions are indispensable for structural integrity, catalytic activity, and biological signaling in the body. So my theory hypothesizes that they must have either modified his genomes to allow antimantium metal, but as we know he dies later from the metal poisioning him, so that can't be it.... OR, a much better theory is that they moddified the antimentium to allow it's to bind to certain bone and joint tissues within his body. And the reason for his death later, is because they left out the need for anymore safety precautions with the antimentium, because he is already able to heal using his healing factor, so thy over looked any further need to either modify the metal to be bodily safe, or they over looked the need to modify his bodies genes to accept antimentium, as he could already regenerate from almost everything from wounds to disease. I hope I was able to help you come up with a cool consception of how his bones and joints were capable of functioning after the antimentium was binded to his bones. G'day, now.... 🖐🏻
Older information said his bones were "laced" (showed a grate-like pattern, bare squares to allow bone to breathe) with adamantium, they weren't totally covered.
The only way for this to work would be if the adamantium would be an intelligent metal being adsorbed and bonding to the bones the same way calcium does, maybe mimicking the calcium atomic structure so that it becomes a natural component of the trabeculated bone structure. In a similar way Strontium actually does by being similar to calcium, it can actually replace the calcium inside the bones, making them stronger. And it's used as a supplement for bone health.
They are mechanical, switch blade, type devices that were bolted to the bones of his lower arms and wired into his nervous system by Weapon X. The bone claws were a later plot armor, added when Magneto stripped the adamantium from his bones, so he wouldn’t just be a guy who healed fast and had heightened senses.
05:02 “…in such a way that they would actually A-WOW….”, sounds rather cute, and more amusing is that the automatic CC actually translated it as “allow.” Normally the CC mistranslates proper words, but in this case it did the opposite.
And let's not forget: when retracted and when deployed, the claws cannot reach into the wrist, otherwise Logan would not be able to move his hands freely.
I have always thought that wolverine should naturally have adamantium bones as part of his mutant power. That fixes most of the inherent issues that would exist if it was added insted of grown. If you also add indestructible tendons and ligaments then he would be almost perfect since he couldn't lose a limb so his healing factor would be able to keep up much easier.
yes, but that would remove a significant element of his backstory and personal history relating to -- pretty much everything about his involvement in the weapon x program.
I hope in Deadpool 3, Wolverine accidentally pops his claws wrong somehow. It'd be really funny. Imagine him and Wade just getting drunk as hell, and Wade pisses Logan off. Drunken bar brawl with two regenerators.
This is why the first X-men movie was so accurate, because his bones were not just completely covered in the Adamantium. When you look at the x-ray, you see the Adamantium was applied in a series of plates in strategic areas. So this would allow for his ligaments and tendons to stay attached to his bones yet still have his bones covered in Adamantium. Even in Wolverines wrist, in the x-ray you see the Adamantium pockets that his claws would have to travel through as to not damage any other part of his wrist or hand. In X-men Origins they completely messed up the detail of how it would actually be done. The details in the first X-men movies was amazing. Even down to the screws in Wolverines claws at the base. Watch the scene on the train where Magneto stretches Wolverine's claws out to the limit, you actually see screws at the base of his claws.
This sounds really great. I'l check for myself the validity of this. Thanks!
Surprisingly I remember all of this. It made sense in the first one.
I definitely remember the screws at the base of the claws. I find it odd that they just completely forgot that detail.
I think it’s because in the movies before „X-Men Origins“ the Idea was not that Logan has bone claws covered in metal. In X2 Striker said to Wolverine: „you were an animal than, you are an animal now. I just gave you claws.“
@@DerHappen indeed. Back in the day, he didn’t actually have claws at all, just a healing factor, animalistic senses and instincts, and super strength. Striker gave him the claws.
Decades ago, the explanation was that Logan's entire skeleton was replaced with adamantium, not infused with adamantium. The sheaths for his claws to be stored in, the path for each to travel, and his wrist structure was engineered specifically for the claws to operate. And his forearms consisted of multiple smaller rods of adamantium so they acted like a cage that the claws were stored in when retracted.
Neat! I like other explanations better but this one, combined with others woud make the perfect axplanation.
Replacing instead of infusing sounds so much easier...until you think about how much work replacing his skeleton would take
@@brycethoreson9216 ye, they would have to find some place to fit all that bone marrow so the blood gets made as good as normal. Otherwise he will need to be like a vampire and suck up blood regularly to live. What they could say tho is that the adamantium replaced calcium in his bones, making them stronger as the structure and capability of the bone would be the same, just with a way stronger metal than calcium inside of them
@lootbox I was thinking of replace as in take a bone out and replace it with an adimantium one, not converting bone to metal
@@brycethoreson9216 ik, but replacing a metal with a stronger metal would probably still allow proper blood flow wouldnt it?
The actual explanation given is that his healing factor basically broke down the coating and adapted to it, creating (so far as I know) the only case of adamantium beta. Basically, the adamantium became a natural component of his bones, maintaining the ability to produce blood cells, heal attached ligaments, etc. The metal became a natural component of the bones.
As far as muscles to move the claws, considering the length of movement, traditional claw deployment is out and he would actually need two sets of muscles, one for extension, one for retraction, since muscles technically only ever pull.
Yet Adamantium is supposed to be indestructible. How can it be broken down and changed?
@@XygnusX something about his healing factor treating it like a toxin and the injection being fluid when applied. I don't know that it really went that deep. Just comic logic.
@@XygnusX Perhaps it's only theoretically indestructable and because of Wolverine's supped up regen his immune system broke it down while liquefied.
Apparently the current explanation for the muscles in the claws is their natural state is extended, so they would only need to have muscles for retraction.
@XygnusX adamantium is only indestructible once hardened. Liquid, molten adamantium was injected into his body to fuse with his skeleton.
How do Wolverine's claws work? Realistically, they don't. The bones of his arms do not allow the claws to eject through his wrists properly and when they are exrended there is nothing holding them in place except a thin layer of flesh. Any downward blow with sufficient force to cut would rip them right out of his hands. And coating his bones with adamantium would kill him, you need blood vessels going in and out to keep the bones alive and healthy. It might work if you used a full robotic body.
He's a mutant
@@travisnaumann8046 The mechanics remain the same, he just does not go by established normal physics. A trait common in all superheroes actually. If his wrists were anatomically very different it would be easy to notice. same with the back of his hand. And wolverine's claws aew not long and straight on the real animal.
I always imagine Wolverine's claws muscles are like tongue muscles and his wrist ligaments are really flexible and durable enough not get cut like how some silk and kelvar thread are.
He heals
You ruin it
It makes sense that Wolverine's ligaments would tear apart to make room for the claws to fit in between the bones, explains why in the first Xmen movie when Rogue asks him if it hurts when the claws come out, Logan says "everytime". Good thing that his healing factor works so well.
Although it actually doesn't. The adamantium actually keeps his healing factor from acting at 100% due to the fact that the metal is poisonous and his healing factor is constantly keeping him from dying of poison. This whole concept is why as an old man, he can be killed because his healing factor isn't as strong as it used to be. Hell when all the mutants lost their power after House of M, Wolverine was actually dying from adamantium poisoning.
he probably breaks his wrist every time the claws come out but it instantly heals in place, and when he retracks it breaks the ligaments again but its continues to heal. There was a quote from one of the movies, i forget which, where hes asked if it hurts and he says "every time". hes basically acknowledging thats its a painful event but he can heal through it quickly and has got used to the pain to some degree.
in the comics he tells Jubilee that he never gets used to it and it's painful every single time, but he pops them out several times a day to keep the holes and channels open like pierced ears, but it's still painful every single time. But psychologically yeh, he could get used to the pain. Like I tore the cartilage in my knee and have permanent fractures in my calf on the same leg, none of which can be healed or surgically fixed so I have to live with the pain til the day I die. Yes it still hurts but my mind has gotten so used to the pain that it seems to hurt way less than it did in the beginning. Though keep in mind it still does hurt.
That was in the first X-Men movie when he meets Rogue for the first time. But yeah this theory perfectly lines up with Logan saying that it hurts every time they come out
@@hobbitpsisorry about your pain. The Dr give you pain meds? I have carpal tunnel syndrome, and I wear a brace and im on Vicodin. I've had this problem for years.
@@The_whimsickal_artist My injuries are all Military service. So I'm seen by the VA. Basically means I get Ibuprofen by the pound.
@@hobbitpsiif you don’t mind me asking, how’d you get your injuries, was it due to training?
During the series where Logan gets his adamantium rip off his bones by Magneto, this is when the X-Men found out Logan's claws were part of his body natually. Additionally, his healing factor was kicked into overdrive to try and keep him alive to the point where it temporarily "burned out". I think it was Kitty Pryde who asked him about the claws and why he keeps using them when his healing factor is down and he says he wants to "keep the channels open", knowing full well he normally slices through his own skin so for the time he opts to keep the "wounds" open and essentially lets his body heal around them, much like how ppl tend to do with holes made for ear piercings, so that he can use his claws without further damaging himself during his more vulnerable time.
It was Jubilee he explained that to not Kitty.
It was Rogue who asked in the first X_MEN film.
@@stevengreenwood1427 We're not talking the movies. We're talking the comics.
Also in that series he became a lot more powerful because they tried to put the adamantium back and his body refused it and he went berserk and his healing factor became so much better and faster
forget about how wolverine claws works, 0:01 how the f~ is that middle steel wall that been cut to squares did not fall?
This brings up every point that I always wondered about Wolverine as a kid and even more. As many people have pointed out, Wolverine being a mutant and having even slightly different physiology from normal people could easily explain how his bones and ligaments can grow to be very similar to normal humans, while still allowing room for narrow bone claws attached to thin yet incredibly strong extender muscles. The bone claws specifically could possibly slide in between the ligaments and tendons in the forearm and wrist and not cause as much damage before they’re fully ejected and the damage done can immediately heal, plus the ligaments and muscles being incredibly strong could absolutely explain how his claws don’t get ripped through his hand when he slashes with them. The adamantium does add a ton of problems like you mentioned, from slicing and cutting muscles and tendons to potentially cutting off red blood cell production and and other vital functions. They actually did address this in the comics a long time ago where Wolverine actually did get sick from adamantium poisoning, and his bones eventually got re-grafted with adamatium that had small gaps allowing normal functions to be unaffected while still giving the strength of the metal to his bones. The claws slicing tendons and ligaments issue could also work the same way as with his bone claws as well, to where the damage done is immediately healed and adjusted around the tendons that hold the claws in place
There was once a scene in the comics where Wolverine was explaining it to Jubilee where he explained that he actually had to pop his claws out several times a day, just to keep the holes and such open and free for his claws, as he put it "like pierced ears". Though when Jubilee asked if it stopped the pain Logan responded with "Nope."
His pain when his claws coming out hurts everytime in the first xmen movie when Rogue asks "does it hurt when they come out?" And he says "everytime" it's because he's grown used to the pain
The scene where wolverine raises from that tank in rage is THE ULTIMATE badass superhero moment in history - period.
Hellboy 1
@@vFANGv why not?
Deadpool and Wolverine, all fight scenes.
I always assumed the adamantium blades were just molded over the ends of his already existing claws. Meaning the blades extend the same way his bones did. Adamantium can't be destroyed, so there's no need to replace the bones encased within it.
Until The Wolverine happened😅 I guess the X-Men movies version of adamantium is based on the Ultimate Universe version which in fact was breakable best example Hulk ripped Wolverine in half
@@markmagician2471 In The Wolverine his claws were broken by a sword that was also made of Adamantium and super heated.
Like how Wolverine was able to decapitate Weapon XI after his claws were superheated by the optic blast.
@@AgentRedgrave the Ultimate version of Adamantium isnt indestructible just durable
@@markmagician2471 I am aware of that. Just pointing out that what happened in The Wolverine isn't proof that movie Adamantium is based on Ultimate Adamantium.
@@AgentRedgraveyou forgot to mean his claws literally had to break his INDESTRUCTIBLE bones to get out
Fun fact: The advantages of his indestructible skeleton comes at the cost of limiting his healing factor, being that having all your bones covered in metal would be lethal 100% of the time to anyone without healing powers. So his healing factor didn't just allow him to survive the procedure, but keeps him alive afterwards.
Without the indestructible skeleton, Wolverine's complete healing factor comes back
Theory: Logan's healing gene adapted to incorporate the adamantium into his body. His bones aren't simply coated in adamantium, but the adamantium is now part of the bone, like a biometal. Even when getting blown to bits, he is able to almost fully regrow his body, including his skeleton, the few rare times it has been damaged.
Marvel has shown wolverine's anatomy (along with his family's) on how the claws work and how the adamantium process was done in Marvel: Anatomy book. A great book I'd recommend as shows everything from aliens to mutants, wonders of science, advanced technology to inhumans.
In reality, Wolverine's claws would be smaller than what artists would like to depict. Knowing that he had bone claws at first his anatomy would already be prepared to be clawed. His muscle and ligament structure would be different than any other human. So yes, he could be clawed. Yet, they wouldn't be nearly as large as what's depicted.
To be fair every artists rendition has always for some reason made wolverine's claws longer than physically possible.
Some artists also give him oddly proportioned arms to justify the length of his claws by making his forearms longer and his upper arm smaller, or just the former.
@@hobbitpsiit fits better with them being longer than short
Cool, you mentioned the bit about how the claws were originally part of the gloves! :)
Also (if my memory isn’t failing me) the Adamantium Wolverine has is called “Adamantium Beta” and it distinguishes itself from regular Adamantium in that it is “organic” somehow. Which means it expands and contrasts or bends just like our regular bones do. This explains how Wolverine is able to breath, since it requires the thoracic to expand and contract alongside the lungs.
It became Adamantium beta after it fused to his skeleton and his healing factor adapted to it. It's also been said that due to the poisonous nature of the adamantium, it's slowly reducing Logan's healing factor the older her gets it's why in the Old Man Logan comics and in the Logan movie he is weaker than he used to be.
Logan actually explained what happened when he pops his claws without straightening his wrists. He was drunk when he did it and they went through his palm.
I always wondered if this is whatd happen lmao
He probably drunk the whole bar dry to get THAT drunk.
Not the movie, there's nothing like that in the film.
@@ImmortalLlama if it was in that relax state ye palm or in his wrist area depends on the position of his hand
I studied anatomy & physiology & I figured the metal didn’t coat the bones, but bonded to the molecular cells of bones. Therefore, the bones still maintain their A&P
In the old times the writers used the vague term "laced" to describe the weapon x scientists having laced his bones with adamantium (leaving it open to speculation exactly what that means) -- but it does suggest that the process involved something other than just dipping and covering every bit of bone in a total painted coat of metal. It suggests there is more of a lattice or framework of adamantium around his bones.
The really technical thing I never understood about X-men origins: Wolverine (the movie) was, even when they showed the adamantium procedure, they dont show how the adamantium claws get their knife-like shape!! He goes in with bones claws and comes out with shiny metal knives!
That's less technical and more artistic choice. His bone claws were always supposed to be knives shaped, but for some reason like they do in the comics when they show the metal claws they look more round than actual razors. It's something that's always bugged me, but yeh. The metal just coated his claws, the shape they have is what the bone claws were already supposed to look like.
As someone who currently has fractured carpals and a fractured metacarpal. Once you bring up the bone structure I freaked out because of that scene with Rogue in X1, "Does it hurt?" "Every time."
Like I am literally having to relearn new ways to eat, write, and even wipe my butt over this injury... and they ALL hurt.
Sorry man
I like how in Logan his adamantium skeleton is slowly killing him and he can no longer rejuvenate his body regularly. Also it makes sense his bones and muscles would shift if his bones were naturally able to retract and protract out his knuckles
Plus arthritis
Prior to Age of Apocalypse, after Magneto sucked every ounce of adamantium from his bones at a subatomic level, Wolverine was in the Danger Room. He was getting his ass kicked, then bone claws erupted from his hands, in shock to everyone watching.
Wolverines healing factor allowed his body to fuse the adamantium to his bones on a molecular level, while still allowing the skeletal system to remain nourished by the body. Hence the reason for the pain. His body was being subjected to lethal doses of heavy metal poisoning until the process was finished.
Supposedly the adamantium also calms his innate feral nature. So when Stryker in X2 asks Logan what happened to him, it was a reference to the adamantium taming him.
The claws, once extended, probably stay in place with a combination of bone, cartilage, and muscle tissue. His body was born with these claws, so obviously, they would have a system in place to extend and lock them in place.
I never thought about how the bone claws turned into blades
It’s got a segmented and telescoping design… The claws are composed of several interlocking segments that can collapse into each other, much like the segments of a telescoping antenna. When retracted, these segmented claws fold into a compact form and fit neatly within the specially designed sheaths inside Wolverine’s forearms. The sheaths run parallel to the bones (radius and ulna) and are lined with a smooth, durable material that supports the claws. His unique musculature and tendon structure are adapted to control the extension and retraction of the claws. Specific muscles contract to push the claws out and relax to pull them back in.
3:06 I love the fact that you used the clip of Tank 😍
Considering some of the official measurements for how long his claws are, and how his forearms just aren’t long enough to hold them when not extended, I wonder if there’s meant to be a telescoping component to them.
Well he’s a mutant. Yall need to understand that mutants aren’t like humans
As Mr. Fantastic once pointed out during an exam when his healing factor failed, everytime he resheathes his claws, he’s pulling ungodly amounts of bacteria and germs into his body. Just popping his claws in his current condition, could lead to sepsis
The OG version of his claws - as designed for him to be a military weapon - was that the metal housings on top of his knuckles have silicone seals (which require replacing from time to time) that would create a barrier -- although with his healing factor you could argue what's the point in protecting against disease.
@@willarms5510 One thing about the movie that always bugged me that the comics have shown, is in the movie why isn't his claws covered in blood or at least blood shoot out from his knuckles when the blade come out?
@@hobbitpsi It did happen in the Days of Future Past movie, it's most noticeable when Logan is having his panic attack after seeing Stryker in the past, you can see blood quickly burst out of his hands when his claws pop.
Far as the adamantium killing him due to covering his bones and all that with the blood cells, the comics actually covered that when all mutants were de-powered after the House of M story and when it showed, wolverine, he was dying due to the adamantium. Why doesn't it kill him? Well because him, Sabertooth, and Deadpool all have ungodly healing abilities...Deadpool the best out of the three, but it basically makes them immortal and immune to everything.
And how did they get the shape of the claws so perfect and sharp if all they did was inject him with the adamantium?
Because while the movies and comics show the bone claws as more rounded, the bone claws were actually described as razor sharp where it bottom of the bones claws were supposed to have thinned to a sharpness and his healing factor made them much stronger than normal bones. So the bladed adamantium claws we see are supposed to just be the metal coating the shape of the bone claws which already were supposed to look like that.
Originally his claws were gloves but that was quickly changed when they realized they didn't want his specialty to be something anybody could just pick up and put on. The first couple decades or so has his claws come from the weapon X program, not from his mutant powers. Those engineered claws explain the sharpness. They later retconned the claws to become part of his mutant powers because they didn't want him to lose his claws when Magneto ripped his adamantium out, and so he got bone claws.
I preferred the claws being separate weapons from his body that were implanted by Weapon X during the adamantium-ization of his skeleton as depicted in 1989's "The Wolverine Saga." The bone claws are a retcon that wasn't canonical until 1994 when Magneto pulled all the adamantium out of his skeleton. The claws should be an enhancement that was added, much like Captain America's shield. The weapon is separate from the super serum soldier.
The reason for this preference is a separate high tech weapon grafted onto his body could get around complicated anatomical issues that bone claws would cause in his hands and forearms. For example, claw sheaths on top of musculature instead of embedded in it.
Also, solid metal flaws are more durable than coated bone claws, they (somehow through design) don't produce constant self-injury when extending when used with the glove tubes, and they would permit him to do things like climb with the claws without tearing the bones out of his arm. They could also allow him through design to supinate his hands (palms up) with the claws extended--important for things like keeping the claws extended while crawling.
Additionally, having bone claws as a mutation makes no sense since bones can't be sharp enough to do much damage and would break and hurt him if he used them too aggressively. For those who say his claws are based on those of feral animals like big cats, their claws aren't as long as an entire forearm, and animal claws are curved. A long bone claw pulled a certain way in the heat of combat would snap like a twig, as Sabretooth demonstrated when he stomped on them and broke them. It's a weakness that makes them more like antlers (which are routinely broken) than claws.
Making his bone claws one of his mutations just gives him more weaknesses, not strengths.
Wolverine's skeleton being heavy because it is coated in adamantium is nonsense, as he has been carried by characters in flight like Storm, who lacks super strength.
The healing factor has also been sped up to almost instantaneous levels. This is done to minimize combat downtime and to make combat bloodier and more exciting. In the movies he constantly takes hits. In the older comics he dodges. Healing from a gunshot wound in a day made more sense to me than treating Wolverine like a Terminator zombie. Death from rapid blood loss should still be a concern (your healing factor can't kick in if you bleed out before it finishes the healing process). In the films, he doesn't even bleed when the claws extend from his bare hands. Is the healing factor really that fast?
The adamantium poisoning detail was not mentioned in comics until 2000.
Lastly, the claws are depicted inconsistently. Some artists draw them as pointed stilettos while others draw them as having squared off razorblade edges.
In some of the movies, the claws look terrible. They look like blunt butter knives coming from between his knuckles, not from the back of his hand.
In short, many of the now canonical innovations of the character made since 2000 under the editorship of Joe Quesada I do not agree with because these changes are silly (children/clones of Wolverine, etc.). But Wolverine is a "cool" character so he is given endless gimmicks as plot armor. Kind of like how Batman always finds something to repel from when he is falling.
Unfortunately, now an entire generation of fans has grown up with these newer ideas and consider newer runs by writers after Chris Claremont to be good content. For me, only the team of Claremont and Jim Lee can really do the character justice, with his peak being in the late 80s and early 90s, especially X-Men #1 in 1991, the highest selling comic book in history by many accounts with 8 million sold.
Now Marvel gives away 30,000 comics for $10 a month. That shows that the value of their IP is in their films, not their comics, which now do not retain value since they can be infinitely digitally reproduced.
That’s crazy thanks Trick Theory you’re videos are awesome I love superheroes and Wolverine’s an interesting character and so is Batman
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No matter which way you think makes more sense of how they work, there’s still a glaring issue that’s always bugged me; once extended they would be so flimsy from side to side. Since they are fully extended they’re isn’t much metal left INSIDE the hand and arm still to securely anchor them so they can’t be easily jerked to either side.
Yes! They would have to click into place at the end. But then how would he disengage them
yeah. anybody stronger than wolverine could declaw him with a pair of vice grips.
I prefer the way the claws were explained in Weapon X. The claws were an accident, caused by pumping too much adamantium into his body. Once the scientists saw that the claws could be used as weapons, they created the silicon sheathes in his arms and ejection ports on the back of his hands. Presumably they also created the mechanism that controlled the movement of the claws.
I prefer the claws being cybernetic implants meant to make him a deadlier guy like in the OG books. An average mutant only has two mutations tops. Jean Grey has telepathy and telekinesis, Nightcrawler has a devil body and teleportation, Emma Frost has telepathy and diamond skin etc etc. So Wolvie having bone claws on top of healing and animal senses out the womb just kinda felt too OP. Having the Metal skeleton and claws be add ons make it way more palatable
What about how in the comics his claws come through almost the top of his hand with his claw ejectors or whatever you call them. And then in the live action movies they come in between his knuckles. Ive always wondered the differences in how they work with both styles
Back then when it showed the claws come from those slots in the back of the hand, it wasn't know that the claws were literally naturally a part of his body. The lore of wolverine was so fragmented back then. Now days the artists usually put the slots closer to his knuckles or at his knuckles but some still use the back of the hand. it's artistic choice tbh. Like how Batman is depicted as lean and muscular and sometimes he completely jacked.
The truth behind how Wolverine's adamantium claws work, is this- PAY ATTENTION!
His claws come out against his enemies, for the simple reason that they've been trying to reach out to people. It's about their vehicles' extended warranties.
The small bones of his hands don't actually just slide out of the way of the blades, the blades actually break them into fragments. If the blades are anything like titanium, the bone could possibly even graft onto it as Logan regenerates as a sort of organic brake system.
Either way, those three original movies were hardcore.
Love it!
Not gonna try and get all detailed but in original comics as briefly mentioned in the video, his claws came out of the little metal pieces, sheaths if you will. But what isn't mentioned in more detail is that they came out above and between his knuckles, only since the movies have they been shown coming from between the knuckles and fingers. So that indicates that they would have to come out maybe from the lower inside of his wrist and forearm. Again not gonna try and dissect how that would work, but I would think there would be less bone and muscle issues, only the tearing of flesh when popping out his hands. The sheaths would also go basically to his wrist and maybe connect and or click together with similar sheath in forearm. As his claws are arched so would the sheaths thus missing some or all of the vital tendons and stuff. Before adamantium the muscles and things would naturally form around them as to not cause any damage aside from popping out the top of his hands because they are only really sharp at the point and roughly rounded throughout the rest of the claw. even though he does slash when striking, in reality it would be a stab motion that would be the most effective maneuver. The clean slash damage would be when only the tips would make contact with the surface of what ever he's attacking, otherwise it would have more of a tearing effect i.e. not a clean cut. The adamantium was somehow shaped to create a more effective strike, improving attack ability.
Not exactly, in the comics it was always artistic choice. In the some Wolverine comics back in the 90s they showed his claws coming from between his knuckles. Hell there was a storyline after wolverine got his adamantium ripped from his body that he went completely feral and he's unleash his claws even when his fingers were extended and the claws literally were between his fingers. Like I said, it was just artistic choice. The going above the knuckles and the back of the hands was the old artistic choice, back when the origin of his claws were that Weapon-X implanted the claws into him and they weren't natural.
I always preferred the more simple explanation of the metal guiding things on the backs of each of his hands. So the claws are guided above his bones and ligaments coming out the top of his hands instead of between his knuckles.
He born with "natural" claws, so i think his arms are adapted to hold it.
My theory is that the adamantium is not a solid coating, or an infusion. But more akin to a latice or mesh covering the bones. Thus allowing the ligaments attachment points and allowing the bones to "breath" with many microscopic holes for blood flow. Less like chrome on a bumper, but more like a buckyball glove.
Logan aka Wolverine
Powers/Abilities:
○ Wolverine Physiology
• Bone Claws
• Decelerated Aging
• Enhanced Smell
• Enhanced Physique
• Feral Mind
• Regenerative Healing Factor
Experimentations:
○ Weapon X
• Adamantium Claws
• Adamantium Skeleton
Weaknesses:
○ Adamantium
It made more sense when we thought the claws weren't natural.
In movies his claws pop out between his knuckles. In comics his claws pop out more so in the middle part of the back of his hands
Mostly, but it depends on the artist.
What you say is true, but it's a difference that even a lot of fans wouldn't even notice. To be honest, the way they do in the movie would have more leverage and stability and just makes more sense
either way if he doesn't straighten out his arms it would come out of around his wrist which would suck because his hands would be stuck in a position I supose
and his hands would be in a awkward position
Or on his palm
They literally grafted the adamantium skeleton into the place of his existing one.Then his healing factor,cuz of he being a mutant,did the rest of it. And instead of his regular beast claws,he gets the sick adamantium ones. End of story.
Actually, they made them preposterously large and proportionally incorrect for the 2003 movie franchises. If you watch the 1997 Fox cartoon, his claws are so thin, they fit between his knuckles. And the metal is unbreakable, so it doesn't need to be as big as they made it, it was an aesthetic choice that is non cannon.
That makes sense. Yeah in X Men Origins they were BIG lol. Looked cool though. Thanks cwalser!
His claws are usually 6 -9 inches depending on what artist but I hate when they try to say they're 12 inches long no way would that work
This only discusses the film version of the claws. The comic version, extending from the back of the hands, not between the fingers, is actually a more realistic portrayal.
Just don't overthink it. Have fun with the character and his powers.
Rogue: "When they come out, does it hurt?"
Wolverine: "Everytime"
I see everyone miss this one detail. That when retracted he cannot rotate his fists if they are in between his bones. Those pivot and twist. If something is in the middle they cannot move.
The claws seem to fan out from his hand, so either adamantium is flexible, or the blades criss-cross and rip out of the sides of his forearms when retracted. Or they cross somehow in levels and pop out the top and bottom of his forearms. Or they displace the bones in his arms. If they are not flexible then the blades should only be set as the width of Logans’s wrists. Or it’s a fictional comic book character and it doesn’t really matter how the blades work because it’s fiction.
I do have a question about X-23 from the Logan movie. Since she was a kid when her bones were grafted with adamantium, does that mean she will stay that size for the remainder of her presumably long life and since her bones are wanting to grow and are unable to do so, because of the adamantium coating them, would she be in a state of constant growing pains?
Is a good question
She has got only claws made from adamantium, and has normal skeleton.
Only her claws got dipped in adamantium, the rest of her body is organic.
i remember that the first idea was that he was wearing gloves with the claws attached, and it developed into claws that retract into his forearms...
6:00 Just to give some context, within the Marvel multiverse (MCU and comics) there are different types of adamantium. Proto-Adamantium is 1 of 2 metals (2ed being Vibranium) used to create the alloy for Captain America's shield in the comics. True Adamantium (sometimes known as Primary Adamantium) was an attempt to recreate Proto-Adamantium. The main difference is True Adamantium can be reproduced. No one has been able to recreate the latter. True Adamantium was used on Wolverine during the Weapon X program, however due to his healing factor effecting it during the bonding process the metal underwent a molecular change, becoming known as Adamantium Beta. It retains all properties of True Adamantium, however it does not inhibit the natural biological processes of bone. This includes making red blood cells as well as natural mending of bone. While there are only a handful of ways by specific individuals (Magneto, Apocalypse, Worldbreaker Hulk, etc), Wolverine has had his bones broken or misshaped. But thanks to his healing factor any such broken or damage bones have returned to normal.
You did a really good job on this upload
Thank you!
What I really wonder is how his body manages to counter the leverage put on his skin and muscles when he uses his claws to cut something.
There is no real support structure above them and there can't be any behind them because otherwise they'd be too long and stick out of elbow when protracted.
Honestly this is why in the comics Wolverine is depicted as so jacked and bulky. Because even if they didn't sit perfectly in his forearms and didn't move there's just so much mass that no one would notice also it's that mass that would allow him to use them to slash things without them ripping through. Gotta remember his healing factor also affects his muscles, so he's be a lot more durable than normal. Not invulnerable but much more durable especially if you consider that for muscles when you build muscle you're literally tearing them and letting them heal itself so like any ripped point the areas get tougher and considering Wolverine has explain he literally pops his claws out several times a day to keep the hole and channels open like pierced ears, the muscle mass around his knuckles, wrists and forearms would be extremely tough.
If the adamantium is not interfering with, but interacting with his ligaments, might it be helping them to allow him to lift so much?
The OG language used regarding the adamantium process is that his bones were "laced" with adamantium -- suggesting that the metal does not cover them entirely but was applied in some kind of lattice structure.
The bone claw thing is total bunk. I remember from the comics he didn't have claws till after the infusion with adamamtium. His healing factor created the claws as a side effect.
I always wondered why some artists draw his claws at such a length that they shouldn't be able to match the size of his forearms?
You forgot about the veins that connect into bones. Since red blood cells are manufactured in the bone marrow. There are vessels that transport that to the blood stream and in turn nourish the bone marrow. I always wondered this along with the tendon connections. Love the video man.
I just want to know why Logan's teeth aren't metal? Its not bone, but Its always shown how the metal is all over his bones including his teet.. except his teeth? 7:26 Even in Deadpool & wolverine, Deadpool is talking to Logan's metal skeleton and the teeth are silver as well. Just curious😅i think it would look cool if Logan's teeth were shown covered in metal.\|/ \|/
He does tell Rogue that everytime he lets them out, that it hurts.
Ever thought that maybe his claws regenerate back into his bones in his forearm?
I think he missed the point of the adamantium towards the end. His bones are not covered in Adamantium, they are fused with it. So they are still able to carry out all of their normal functions whilst being partly made of metal.
According to Wolverine himself from the comics is his claws are psyonicly controlled and not physical.
What comics is it at 00:40?
The easiest way to explain this is that Logan healing factor further evolved in his mutation when he was involved in the Weapon X program to get the adamantium procedure. It explains why his ligaments and muscles further extended and changed. I do believe it was because of the Adamantium. He is a mutant, who says that their mutation just stops right where it is. I’m the comics mutants still continue to evolve in powers and biology all the time
I mean that’s probably the best explanation his mutation evolved to keep up with a new aspect of his body
And yet the comics have explained the opposite of your theory. Yes his healing factor does make his muscles stronger, but the adamantium is killing him. Because the mtal is poisonous his healing factor is working 24/7 to keep the adamantium from killing him, so much that it reduces his healing factor a bit and by the time he's old man Logan (from the comics and the movie) his healing factor is almost completely gone.
2:33 every time I see this scene I always imagine Wolverine thinking of every kind of insult towards magneto considering he couldn’t control his movements anymore as he runs at him must’ve been a moment he never thought he would’ve been able to have
His claws should be way wider than they are. The bone that they are grafted to has always been shown to be about as big circumference wise as let’s say an index finger. So at their base his claws should be much bulkier then more narrow as you get closer and closer to the ends where there IS no bone.
In all the years prior to the introduction of bone claws, his claws were never drawn large enough to have those bones underneath them. There is really no way to reconcile the concepts visually. If you want those bones to be underneath his claws you just have to accept that all prior depictions were drawn too thin/small.
I always wondered about this. Thank you!
Your welcome grandinquizitor!
Logan didn't volunteer for the Weapon X project and "allow" metal to be grafted to his skeleton, he was abducted and experimented on against his will. Read the comics, Weapon X is one on the best ever.
Downvoted for ignorance.
One thing I do think is that it doesn’t hurt because I think that above where the holes are that they come out is that there are layers of thin skin that have no nerves and no muscles and no blood just pieces of skin above the holes where they come out so I think it doesn’t hurt. I think it’s just like, his healing factor just a little bit of skin that immediately grows when he reveals them or put them back in between his knuckles
I've always why/how his claws are sometimes bladed. When they're bone they're always round, but a lot of depictions turn into knives when metal. That always bugged me. And when they aren't depicted as blades, how do they cut?
That's artistic choice, but the shape of the metal blades are actually what his bone claws are supposed to look like. In the comics Wolverine's bone claws are still said to be razor sharp that he can slash through a lot of things. The movie and lot of the artists for some reason just always depict the bone claws to be rounded and only sharp at the points.
I still want to know how pumping liquid metal into his bone claws which are round and come to a point result in turning them into razor sharped edged weapons that are perfectly smooth and polished?
Gives me an idea to go over for a future vid discussing just that lol. Cause that's a good point!
(Pun absolutely intended)
@@tricktheorists ha ha, thanks! Great video;
In the first X-Men movie rogue asked Logan if it hurt when he extended his claws and he told her every time regardless of the explanation of how his claws work it's due to the fact that his mutant healing Factor helps him to heal and in another X-Men movie I can't remember which one but sabertooth literally broke Logan's bone claws so the bones are part of his arm and in the experiment where they grafted the antimantiam to his bones they had to drill into his bones to fuse it to his Skelton.
You're thinking the movie Wolverine. It wasn't sabretooth in the movie who broke his claws it was Silver Samurai. In the comics Sabretooth broke wolverines bone claws after Magneto ripped the adamantium from Logan's skeleton and it got grafted it to Sabretooth. But even in the comics his bone claws grew back.
@@hobbitpsi in origins of wolverine sabertooth did step on his bone Claws and broke them
@@robertweddle2374 In the comics, yes. In the movies, no.
I just thought that he had two sets of bones in his forarms to his knuckles and that the adamantium mix with his healing factor morphed the second set of bones to make and shape the claws.
What I originally thought was before the operation he was mostly human possessing only healing power. When the adimantium was put into his body this caused his healing power to kick into over drive and caused his body to have a secondary mutation becoming more animal like . His claws spontaneously grew he got slightly more hairy developed feral senses and a bad attitude.
He is unique exactly because his healing factor is the main reason the adamantium process was able to be applied to him in the first place.
You're describing Wolverine in the 90s which personally I think was the better wolverine, but hell I remember when the origin was that Logan was literally a mutated wolverine that mutated into a human form so.... eh.
😂 ok so with this explanation being so in depth, I’m sitting like wait.. what… but yet so intrigued and loving the explanation and at that exact same time saying oh now it makes sense!!!
"When they come out, does it hurt?'
"Every time."
Maybe to make it more realistic, we can say they mixed his bones and the metal using a process called,
"metal binding".
What they did was the modified his genes, or the antimentium metal, or both, so that way the metal can join within the skelletal tissues, or the proteins of each part of his body.
Your body naturally metal binds.
Here are some examples of metals that bind in the body:
Metal binding in the body plays a crucial role in numerous physiological processes, as metals often act as cofactors or structural components in proteins and enzymes. Here are some examples:
1. Iron (Fe) Binding
Hemoglobin: Iron binds to the heme group in hemoglobin, enabling oxygen transport in red blood cells.
Myoglobin: Iron in the heme group stores oxygen in muscle tissue.
Cytochromes: Iron participates in electron transport and energy production within mitochondria.
2. Zinc (Zn) Binding
Zinc Fingers: Structural motifs in proteins where zinc stabilizes the folding of DNA-binding domains.
Carbonic Anhydrase: Zinc is essential for the enzyme’s catalytic activity in maintaining pH balance.
Alcohol Dehydrogenase: Zinc facilitates the metabolism of alcohol in the liver.
3. Calcium (Ca) Binding
Calmodulin: A calcium-binding protein that regulates various cellular activities, including muscle contraction and enzyme activation.
Troponin: Binds calcium to regulate muscle contraction in skeletal and cardiac muscles.
Bone Mineralization: Calcium binds to hydroxyapatite crystals, providing strength to bones and teeth.
4. Magnesium (Mg) Binding
ATP: Magnesium stabilizes the negatively charged phosphate groups in ATP, facilitating energy transfer.
Ribosomes: Magnesium helps maintain the structural integrity of ribosomes during protein synthesis.
DNA and RNA Polymerases: Magnesium acts as a cofactor in nucleotide binding and catalysis.
5. Copper (Cu) Binding
Cytochrome c Oxidase: Copper is involved in electron transport during cellular respiration.
Ceruloplasmin: A copper-binding protein that aids in iron transport and oxidation.
Superoxide Dismutase (SOD): Copper is part of this enzyme that protects cells from oxidative damage.
6. Cobalt (Co) Binding
Vitamin B12 (Cobalamin): Cobalt is an integral part of Vitamin B12, essential for DNA synthesis and red blood cell formation.
7. Manganese (Mn) Binding
Manganese Superoxide Dismutase (MnSOD): Protects cells from oxidative damage in mitochondria.
Arginase: Manganese is required for the urea cycle, which removes ammonia from the body.
8. Selenium (Se) Binding
Glutathione Peroxidase: Selenium is a cofactor for this antioxidant enzyme.
Selenoproteins: These proteins play roles in thyroid hormone metabolism and protection against oxidative stress.
9. Molybdenum (Mo) Binding
Xanthine Oxidase: Molybdenum is necessary for purine metabolism and uric acid production.
Sulfite Oxidase: Involved in the metabolism of sulfur-containing amino acids.
These examples highlight how metal ions are indispensable for structural integrity, catalytic activity, and biological signaling in the body.
So my theory hypothesizes that they must have either modified his genomes to allow antimantium metal, but as we know he dies later from the metal poisioning him, so that can't be it....
OR, a much better theory is that
they moddified the antimentium to allow it's to bind to certain bone and joint tissues within his body.
And the reason for his death later, is because they left out the need for anymore safety precautions with the antimentium, because he is already able to heal using his healing factor, so thy over looked any further need to either modify the metal to be bodily safe, or they over looked the need to modify his bodies genes to accept antimentium, as he could already regenerate from almost everything from wounds to disease.
I hope I was able to help you come up with a cool consception of how his bones and joints were capable of functioning after the antimentium was binded to his bones.
G'day, now.... 🖐🏻
4:55 I don't understand whats goin on here..
so if he puts them out halfway, he can,t move his wrists right?
Yeah
I always felt wolverines forearms should be popeye size along with his hands
Older information said his bones were "laced" (showed a grate-like pattern, bare squares to allow bone to breathe) with adamantium, they weren't totally covered.
Rouge: Does it hurt?
Logan: Everytime...
The only way for this to work would be if the adamantium would be an intelligent metal being adsorbed and bonding to the bones the same way calcium does, maybe mimicking the calcium atomic structure so that it becomes a natural component of the trabeculated bone structure. In a similar way Strontium actually does by being similar to calcium, it can actually replace the calcium inside the bones, making them stronger. And it's used as a supplement for bone health.
They are mechanical, switch blade, type devices that were bolted to the bones of his lower arms and wired into his nervous system by Weapon X. The bone claws were a later plot armor, added when Magneto stripped the adamantium from his bones, so he wouldn’t just be a guy who healed fast and had heightened senses.
His claws are longer then his arm 🤣
I have a craving to watch Um Actually after this. :P
I would take the healing factor with the bone claws any day. Such an impressive set of abilities.
they just work thats how imma go now
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Just thanking you personally for 7:42.
05:02 “…in such a way that they would actually
A-WOW….”, sounds rather cute, and more amusing is that the automatic CC actually translated it as “allow.” Normally the CC mistranslates proper words, but in this case it did the opposite.
And let's not forget: when retracted and when deployed, the claws cannot reach into the wrist, otherwise Logan would not be able to move his hands freely.
I have always thought that wolverine should naturally have adamantium bones as part of his mutant power. That fixes most of the inherent issues that would exist if it was added insted of grown. If you also add indestructible tendons and ligaments then he would be almost perfect since he couldn't lose a limb so his healing factor would be able to keep up much easier.
Makes sense, no need to over complicate things
yes, but that would remove a significant element of his backstory and personal history relating to -- pretty much everything about his involvement in the weapon x program.
Better question would be how did Logan’s original round bone shaped claws, become sharp, knife shaped claws when covered in Adamantium?
Gavin says : they are made from wait for it: VIBRANIUM!!!!!
I hope in Deadpool 3, Wolverine accidentally pops his claws wrong somehow. It'd be really funny.
Imagine him and Wade just getting drunk as hell, and Wade pisses Logan off. Drunken bar brawl with two regenerators.