Tesla Model 3 Performance Limits Power Due to Battery Constraints | Owners Are Furious
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- The Tesla Model 3 Performance has been power limited due to different type of batteries (LG vs Panasonic), this in turns creates confusion between the 2 different variants of the same car
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Can’t say not I’m angry that they’re doing this, but I completely understand why. Do you think it’s fair, and if not, what kind of workaround do you think can be done to satisfy everyone in all regions?
Unlock full power with a Ludicrous mode ;)
Haha yeah
@em_ons425 I cant see that happening the vehicle is limited heavily by the battery.
How do you know that? @@freakybeast5068
Both the Panasonic and LG versions of the car are advertised with the same amount of torque (740nM for the Panasonic and ~730nM for the LG, which is an insignificant difference). For this reason, they have the same 0-60 times.
The thing is, the higher hp of the Panasonic version, will allow this top torque to be maintained to higher speeds. For this reason, above 60mph the Panasonic may be much faster, leading to much better 1/4 mile times (have you thought why 1/4 mile times weren't advertised? This could immediately put a spotlight at the differences between the two versions. One doing 11.2sec and the other 10.5sec. Horrible marketing).
The two big weaknesses of the older M3P were suspension and acceleration above 60mph. It could be that only the Panasonic version will solve both problems... Sad.
Moreover, Tesla bringing reporters from Canada, UK, Germany, Australia, to their private event, and letting them drive only the Panasonic version, is downright misleading, without letting them know that in their country they won't experience the same performance.
I think you’re pretty on point here and likely is the reason, but we’ll have to wait and see until we have them head to head. Would be very disappointing though if that’s true
Do you think the theory is correct, could it actually be possible that the additional HP is currently not being utilized?
Plaid motor puts out 360hp on the S and X Plaid but capable of over 400hp
@larryc1616 yeah the motors are insane, the limit is the battery
I care more that the car is under 55k no matter if they could have gotten more power it would cost 7500 more.
Yeah fair point, I think most people will be more than satisfied with the ~500hp, anything more is just being greedy 😄
Yes I'm totally ok with my LR. Not greedy at all. Honestly I wouldn't know what to do with all the power of the performance as currently with my LR I have a hard time keeping it within the speed limit. I couldn't even think about the performance it would be fun though 😂
This is not related to the battery. This is related to the way the measurements are done for homologation in different markets. The power is the same. The way it’s measured is different
Can you explain the measurement?
No it is not.. the. S Plaid is 1020 HP in the whole world.. the LG variant of the M3P cant deliver the peak kW that the Panasonic can... lots of test has shows this by now...
Just to add on that…. 60mph is only 96.5km/h not 100 so for point 2 of a second difference, it would actually be the same or close too
If we do it the reverse way and get both to imperial system. Technically it’s even less than 2 seconds difference at 3.003s 0-60. But then again, gaining even 1 second it’s huge in the car world, and I believe you’ll definitely feel it when you’re in digits these low
@@heyJohnEe the model 3 performance 2019 - 2023 the difference from USA and EU 0-60 mph and 0-100 km/h has always been 0,2 sec
I mentioned before that the US ver. had Panasonic 3L-NCA batteries (4416 cells) which is the same pack used on the M3 LR :) Max. Load is 435 kW (584 hp). LG 5L NMC 415 kW (556 hp). I did a simulation and the 2024 ran ~1/4 sec quicker than the 2023 in the quarter mile (US versions).
I'm confused 3.1 sec in 100km /hr 🤔🤔 that is 3.1 in 62 MPH , subtract the 2 mi from 62 and 2 tenth from 3.1 you get 2.9 !! It's the same speed with less horsepower.
It's the same for LR , when they said 0-100km in 4.4 sec = 62 MPH , 0-60 in 4.2. Am I missing something John besides slower horsepower ? It still does 0-60 in 2.9 I would be ok with that
MPH is distance covered over time and 0-60 runs are just standardized measurements of acceleration. You can’t just take 2 off of each number and cancels each other out lol. Technically it’s 2.9s 0-60mph vs 3.003s 0-60mph (after conversion)
In the Tesla world there's often been a 0.2s diff between 0-60 and 0-62mph. The real difference is probably on the top end where the US car has +50hp. As you know, there is a 1-1 mapping between speed, engine rpm and power output in a one-speed BEV. So the power output is probably higher in the US version somewhere above the motor rpm at 62 mph.
What's the 60 to 130 speed? Is the top end faster? This does not seem like much of an upgrade to my current m3p that does 0-60 in 3.1 sec.
Top end is substantially quicker, about 30% over the previous M3P. This is where you’ll see the biggest gain
Maybe if you're only focused on the 0-60 time. The car is substantially different and better from what the reviews have lead me to believe. Super quiet cabin, active suspension damping, new Gen 4 motor, interior changes/upgrades, dual pane windows. But definitely will keep accelerating beyond 60mph just like the PLAID Model S.
My expected delivery date changed from May-June to simply June today. I had my order in within an hour of it being live on the site.
What happened to the 600hp we were seeing a month or two ago from Korea?
EXACT same thing happened to me today. Ordered within an hour of when you could physically place an order and this morning mine went from May-June to just June. Oh well. They may have realized early June is the soonest they can get them to customers. Not too worried about it (nor the power "limit"). 510 HP is fine. 🙃 Maybe they can unlock another 50 HP in the future via a software update for the non-US models.
Yeah I think there’s a ton of orders when the first minute of the order being live, they’re just adjusting the EDD as we go along. The 600HP may be unlocked with a software update for the US variant, the motor is definitely capable of
@@heyJohnEe I have a feeling they are still working out some last minute kinks. Reason I think this is that NO reviewers have one yet to truly test. Not Carwow, Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and the handful of influencers who were given the car for a short time were not allowed to Dragy or track test it. I think everyone's order likely slipped a couple weeks.
@@mikeyc8139yeah I was thinking that they were not permitted to quarter mile test them or are still not allowed to talk about that specifically for some reason. Maybe it would indicate it has more than the 510 claimed?
I would think 50 hp would make a difference when on the move and mashing the accelerator pedal to pass a vehicle. Is there a lower price for the 450hp version?
Oddly enough the 460hp version is more expensive than the 510. Because they’re all being exported to countries with high tariffs whereas the US gets federal incentives
The LG 5L can deliver 415kW and the Panasonic 3L approx 435kW. That means respectively 564hp and 591cv. So I can’t get the limitation at 460hp!! It makes no sense for me…
It isn't real. US always reports different HP figures on cars than the same EXACT model in Australia. I believe this is all a myth mate.
It is not a myth the battery are not the same…
There will be an acceleration boost called Ludicrous for 2k and track pack for 3k. If they had it on standard p model they would not be under 55k for tax credit, it's genius and obvious. Probably 2.4 to 60 and 10.5 qtr mile
I believe it, only that the software does not count for the rebate. I hope they release soon as I will be doing ludicrous.
I’m really hoping this is the case. I’ll be bummed and eager to resell sooner if this is slower than my previous two V8 builds. Crossing my fingers for a full potential unlock/upgrade soon after delivery.
Doubtful, but I like your thinking.
@@scumpuppies If they think it over they could get $2k for 10-15% more power...
My thinking. If you already own a M3P, it’s not worth upgrading just yet. Especially in the current light of economy and high interest rate. Had it been 600-700 bhp with 0-60 in 2.5-2.6 sec, it would have been enticing. But, if you never own one, then yes go for it. It’s the cheapest horsepower per dollar car out there, especially with the $7500 tax credit.
The biggest upgrade would have to be the new suspension and continuous power at higher speeds
@@heyJohnEe True, but it’s no carbon sleeve motor though. I’m asking too much probably. 😂
@alyxstyle1765 lol maybe… I would pay good money for a 1000+hp model 3
Agreed, but with the US tax credit, the Performance model is a bargain compared to the long-range model. Not so in some areas like Canada, as the price is 70k with no 5k National rebate available.
@jamespaul2587 that’s true. However Canada also has their own federal + state incentive that’s been running for years and still active. BC or Quebec for example has over $9000 discount, with no rules on locally sourced battery or vehicle supplier. Can only confirm this since I technically live in both country
Different chemistry’s different constraints. If you want 200-300+ miles of batterie life, low degradation you have to control your rates of charge and discharge. Look up C rate and battery life. its also why the SR with LFP has differed dc charge rates.ould be enhanced as they gain confidence of battery abuse. Its also why some cars now give the pass button with cool down. Limit battery stress to meet life. Luckily Tesla hasn't marginalized us with pass buttons yet. FWIW 0-60 is achieved by torque, not HP. Top speed to overcome resistance is HP. would be interesting to understand what the joule rates between the US and Shanghi batteries
Ordered mine yesterday...I live in the US, so I'm happy I didn't get the limited one. Estimated delivery date of June. Said May-June yesterday, but changed this morning. So stoked!
Mine was May-June, changed to June too. Out of curiosity, which paint choice is yours? Mine is ultra red. Seems like the stealth greys are delivering earlier.
@@smcdowell I went with the blue, black interior (as much as I wanted to go white, I stuck with black)
Mine updated to June in the morning. I ordered stealth grey!
Congrats guys! 🔥 can’t wait to see these on the roads in regular owners hands
@@smcdowellmine is stealth Grey and also changed to June today.
I keep hearing this "unlock" being repeated by influencers, and I think it's just circular reporting of the same guess.
Seems to me it's battery-limited in its max power output, and there's not really anything more they can do with software to "unlock" more combined/peak power. You'd need a larger battery with the ability to discharge more power at once.🤷
There could be some efficiency gains, similar to how they did with the OG M3P making it quicker
Just sat in one. The new seats are super comfortable. The bolsters are not firm. They hold you in place but have give.
That’s kind lame
Hey John, can clarify a lot of the confusion on some of the reviews of the new M3P’s wheel set up in the US. A lot of these youtubers who have reviewed the car is saying that the car will have 20” wheels in the rear and 19” wheels in the front. My understanding is that it would have a staggered set up with wider wheels in the rear than the front but 20” all around . What is correct? 🤷🏽♂️
You are correct, staggered does not mean it’ll be a larger wheel. The width will be larger only and still come standard both front and rear forged 20” staggered
Do you know if the M3P can have 19 inch wheels to gain more EV mileage?
Yes, it would gain more maybe above 300mi
I have a 2019 M3P but with a 2022 rear motor (warranty issue). Almost as fast as new one. Performance wise the gap is just too small. For me the only reason to buy the new 2024 version: suspension and seats. Looks like I keep mine until we get 2.6-2.7 times with a better battery (live in EU and do not want the LG battery, smaller, less power output and drops power faster on lower charges). Would like to choose my battery.
Its weird to say 2.9 sec is slow but it feels like this car should easily be faster than the old one. Maybe when we see the quarter mile...
Yeah crazy times, right? 2.9 is insane as it is
What about the fact that Tesla just raised the price of the M3P After 3 days.
Definitely not happy about that as I wanted one in Ultra Red but now it won’t qualify for the Federal credit.
How many horsepower does the highland long range version have?
367
2024 Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor Long Range Acceleration:
118 hp (front), 276 hp (rear); 394 hp (comb)
Torque
120 lb-ft (front), 257 lb-ft (rear); 377 lb-ft (comb)
Acceleration to MPH
0-60 4.0s
Quarter-Mile
12.3 sec @ 114.4 mph
Battery Panasonic 3L-NCA (4416 cells) supposedly
Great discussion, John. It's interesting to see how battery packs can affect performance. This reminds me of the Chevy Spark EV, which had 400 lb ft of torque for the 2014 model year only due to the A123 Systems LFP pack. The battery company went bankrupt, and other suppliers provided packs for all other years. I also heard ID4 charging specs vary greatly depending on which brand of pack was included.
Yeah the battery output greatly affects the input and output of energy, hence why some packs like the 4680 in the Cybertruck can put down crazy HP and torque but then charges extremely slow. For the time being, the Panasonic NMC are the best of both worlds until a better LFP comes out
I'm confused... mostly because I can't pay full attention to this video at the moment. Is the current performance stats still the same? 2.9 0-60? Are you saying it could be faster or they are lowering that 0-60 and other performance numbers. Your answer will either make me cancel my order or keep it. Thank you.
It should still be 2.9 if you live in the US or UK according to the site, or 3.01s anywhere else. But only the US variant will do quarter miles under 11sec
@@heyJohnEe Wow.... Thank you for the quick reply. I do live in the US so I guess I am ok with the answer. I feel for anyone else who has to take a sacrifice on the performance. I would probably cancel if I were them. Under 11 sec? wow.... I would love that. My Z06 did the 1/4 in 10.8 @ 128 stock on drags. I know the Model 3 wont trap that, but to be in the 10s would be insane on the street.
@EZ8E you got it! Yeah you’re lucky, no worries there
@heyJohnEe Here is a question for ya! How long will I have to wait?? Lol. I got my order in within 1 hour of the announcement. Lol
@EZ8E earliest I’m hearing is mid May
My UK M3P is advertised as 460hp 0-60 in 2.9. So not 3.1.
0-62mph in 3.1 secs
new M3P is such a disappointed compared to how Model S went from P100D to Plaid. i paid my M3P only £35k and won't be upgrading it anytime soon or just get Taycan in the future.
you're lucky, in Portugal you would pay $41 for the SR
It honestly doesn’t even matter to me tbh it’s my first Tesla and I’m super excited for it just ordered it last night in a nice blue😎
Yeah it’s just a tiny thing in the grand scheme of things. The Model 3 Performance is a huge upgrade from the last, big congrats!!! 💯
I think a lot of people are missing out on the quarter-mile performance here. 0 to 60 performance is the same for both batteries, because you’re hitting that in less than 30 yards. But the quarter mile is a different story. 510 hp should come close to a 10-11 second 1/4 mile for an EV. A 460 HP will be high 11’s.
Yup good point
The 2023 M3P runs 11.4.
So your high 11s guess is off
@mathieusturkenboom Carwow has an 11.7 for their older M3P and I've seen slower ones @Bandimere speedway (11.8), so Tesla has improved it over the years with software, plus there is the variance of conditions. I'm still hoping the US model will hit the 10s for 1/4 mile.
@@natew2031i did many 11.6 11.7 sec with my LR with boost. The M3P is quicker by a few tens. (11.3 11.4 range) 😉
wow, thought we were getting 600+ in HP as the motors dictate that was the case, combining the Kw of both motors.
The motors should easily do 600hp, but limiting factor is the battery, maybe a future software update will improve it
@@heyJohnEe that's a shame. If it's a software update, why not update the battery man't from the start unless the software code is not ready
@TracingRobots usually efficiency updates happen over time as the software team finds areas of improvements, similar to the speed bump we saw in the original Model 3 Performance. The batter is the cap, but some tweaking can get additional HP hopefully
@@heyJohnEeFor the performance model 3, I'd wait for the 4680 cells + calt/byd high energy density batteries. This will probably give a good performance boost to the M3P.
Based on the UK citing the same 0-60 times with lower HP, it's reasonable to assume that current M3Ps are software limited to standardize spec across the line, something that may be unlocked later on for vehicles that are able according to battery pack. As to why, it really looks like US-made batteries are supply-limited. Tesla will look to maximize sales, and it's in their best interest to put as many US batteries into their highest selling models (the MY) to maximize the number of buyers getting the federal tax credit. Some are allocated to the M3P, but it seems only enough for the US market, and they seem to be tweaking demand by raising and lowering price right at the purchase price limit of $55k. Also looking at the forums, outside of the few folks reporting early deliveries, looks like many US users that placed early orders have gone from May-June delivery to June (myself included). This seems really well orchestrated to maximize benefit of a limited US battery supply
I think you perfectly describe everything 💯
man i was looking forward to trade in my MYLR for a MYP juniper... if its the same power as this new M3P, ill just be keeping it
But the Juniper will have tons of upgrades over just the 0-60 :)
That might be why it was delayed, it couldn't deliver and they wanted to call it ludicrous but eventually gave up. Little strange because I think my current 3P (EU chinese) has 513HP on paper and isn't the new version a little heavier? so they might have ended up being slower. Pretty strange outcome. In retrospect the hype seems unnecessary. Ah well, it's a pretty good car anyway. Matches a lot of ferraris. What they could do is offer insurance for it in europe. Insurance companies can get a little creative for the performance version.
That might be it. I have a hard time believing the badge is a “performance” badge. If you watched the movie, you know for sure what ludicrous speed and Plaid speed looks like, and that badge is definitely a ludicrous badge
@@heyJohnEe speaking of the badge, has that gone from the production models?
It’s in production if that’s what you’re asking
@@heyJohnEe no I mean the little rear badge. I was wondering if they gave up on that too but it's shown vaguely in the graphics on the website.
rear ludicrous badge and on front seats too
As usual people being over dramatic.
Is there is a difference yes. Maybe a tenth and 1mph in the 1/4 mile mile. Remember the LG pack also weighs 20kg less which offsets 10hp or so anyway.
Basically irrelevant given in any given market they will all have the same anyway.
People are freaking out over the published figures.
Ill eat paper if the shanhai "460hp" m3p car doesn't make over 500hp on a dyno.
Tldr, above 100mph there will be a difference, 99% of the time there won't be.
Yeah I saw your other comments defending the 460hp “Australian” variant because I’m guessing you live in Australia and ordered one. But nope, this isn’t fair and you shouldn’t allow Tesla to charge you more but give you less than the US. 50HP is huge and even a 0.1s difference at these low numbers will significantly show differences even in 0-60s. You feel it and see it when you have them head to head
So you willing to accept a lesser product ? I don't care where it will or wont be noticed but I wont be made a fool of buying one . Oh !!!! have you ordered already? 🤭
@heyJohnEe Dramatic much lol.
As I have mentioned, 1) its likely not even 50hp 99% of the time 2) in the real world its 20kg lighter. 3) ill eat paper if the row version doesn't make over 500hp on a dyno. I know it says 460hp but that's on paper.
Ohh and 0.1sec isn't noticeable.
Everyone is making wayyy to much of a deal about this especially given there is nothing that can be done either way.
@stinger15au lol you make it sound like eating paper is something to bet on. I swear I just ate paper that was stuck on my Apple earlier today. Eat thumbtacks or fight a kangaroo or something harder at least 😆
@heyJohnEe The reason I know the euro/asia m3p will have more than 500hp is because the last one did and it's slower.
The math is mathing
its enough reason for me to not buy one in the EU, even though I was ready to order it. was expecting 618hp and now getting 460hp, while the old one was sold with 500+hp.., not with me
Technically it does officially accelerate quicker than the old M3P, but it’ll drop off torque just as fast with the 460hp variant
@@heyJohnEe true, but as everyone else we expected a bit more then 0.2s quicker from 0-100, Tesla had now 4 years to improve and figure out a way :)
@christianmatter2443 they might be sandbagging it, otherwise it’ll be too competitive with the S and X Plaids. The X does it in the mid 2 seconds, so any faster we’d be too close to it
Same her. Was just about to order, but there is no way that's happening now.
@@fr3238 hopefully the sales in EU will go low, so tesla has to rethink their downgraded, LG battery version. keep in mind that in EU you pay approx 10k more than in US with tax c., and car market competition in EU is strong, so dont mess with us 😎
I was wondering why the performance was using the other batteries. Glad I went with the Long Range model.
The long range is the best of all worlds honestly, the range is much more substantial now with the perf being under 300mi
My model 3 performance would do the EXACT SAME 0-60 as the "new" one if it dropped peak power at 75 MPH instead of 45 MPH , literally NOTHING has changed in performance SAME HORSEPOWER just a slightly newer CARCASS. Anyone that has owned their m3p for a year+ like me knows you feel the pulling power give out a bit right before 50 MPH , give us a SOFTWARE UPDATE and watch it instantly do 0-60 in 2.9- 3.1 instead of 3.1-3.3 like we ALL GET NOW. Typa over hyped SCAM is this nonsense
Fair point. I think there’s other upgrades that make it more digestible, the biggest one being the active suspension
That peak power update is a big deal to me and will make power from a roll more enjoyable. The 0-60 was already decent enough imo.
PS. Great Job John! Your videos are excellent and you have been keeping us in the loop, and staying on top of everything!
Appreciate the support as always! 👊
What's your logic behind a software unlock HP increase? I don't see that happening, unfortunately.
Simple. They have ludicrous badge all over the car including the UI, they have the term ludicrous referenced all over their site and parts catalog, and the rear drive unit is heavily software limited right now, it should be 412HP on its own. Front motor is running approx 200HP unchanged coming LR model. Insane mode on a performance car with ludicrous badges is the most confusing thing in the world
@@heyJohnEe Love the wishful thinking, would love a HP unlock, however, believe the badge is simply a newer iteration for this performance release...not something this is strictly applicable to the term "ludicrous". I agree the power is limited, but is limited by the battery, not the drive units...back motor is 30% more power, yet the battery can't handle that power, thus only a 10% increase in 0-60 time; Seems as if a 4680 battery would be needed to unlock more power?
@scumpuppies yeah we’ll have to see about the batteries when more tests are available! But I find it super odd if this is just a “performance” badge because if anyone has seen spaceballs, this is definitely ludicrous speed. I doubt Elon would confuse such a thing being that they’ve released Plaid and made a badge specifically depicting how it looks. They could’ve picked any design to represent “insane” or “performance” but they picked this 🤔
@@heyJohnEe I agree, the branding is all over the place on this model...it's confusing and misleading. It's also weird they didnt release a HP unlock for the LR refresh as well...perhaps it's something that's being worked on to release on both the LR and P in one push? Or....perhaps it's something being phased out entirely?
@scumpuppies yeah it’s hard to say atm, but hopefully we’ll get a positive surprise on all fronts fairly soon 🤞
The motors in the 2018-2023 M3P were rated at combined 480kW. The battery was always the bottleneck! This difference 460/510hp has been there since early 2022. It is only now that Tesla is officially declaring it.
Interesting stuff, thanks!
Some older mp3 models in the EU had the US battery but the later ones didnt.
And yes battery is bottleneck and will be especially outside the US. Kinda scammy.
I know a lot of people now holding on to their older M3P and wait for a battery upgrade.
Atm you paying for a car with more hp but you cant use them because of older gen batteries.
Still a good deal if you dont alread have an M3P.
It ended up very close to where I expected. I would have been very surprised to see huge changes after the "normal" Highland was quite modest.
Dude the US one has the first feet roll out in it. And the other does not. Isnt it the same battery?
no. the US has 60 HP more because it has a different battery. Outside US you have 79kw lg and not the pannasonic 82kw, second can deliver more power
I am now 99.9% sure that i want to cancel my order in EU! Help me decide! I feel so bad about this! 😢
You’re not getting the same car ! Cancel order . It’s unfair and I certainly wouldn’t want a lesser performance version. .
I shall stick to my order because it is my first Tesla, and I drove the Y performance, and that performance was really good for me. The model 3 is still way faster than the Y, which was already over the top for me. I will use it for daily driving. but still, it hurts knowing there is a better one in US
@@primozz1111 i am in the exact, same situation the 0.1% that makes me keep the order is … the fact that maybe there will be a software unlock in the future… unlikely but still…
@@robertvanzant2653 and it’s also more expansive than US😅
@@MOMENTSbyGabriel
For me it was 57990€ ultra red that is alot more than other countrys. If you look price wise it shood me other way around 510 hp eu and 460 us
About time USA gets the better car. I hate that I can’t get a hilux or a Land Cruiser 70 series here in USA 😢😢
💯
Why does a region have to have a "better car".. Why can't everyone have the same best car? It sucks that you guys don't get a given car, for whatever reason, but two wrongs don't make a right.
It’s just how the US and the rest of the world rates power.
No, it's the difference in battery. US car gets the 82kW Panasonic battery, Euro gets the LG 79kW battery.
No the LG has a lower peak power outtake compared to the pannasonic. So the numbers presented by tesla are real and there will indeed be a 50hp difference.
The uk has 2.9 secs
40 bhp less , top end will be affected
It is even slower, people testing it (with dragy): 3.3 seconds. Almost the same as the old versions. It is faster above 100kmh. LG battery does overheat way faster. I did test drive the 2024 Performance. Suspension is better in comfort. Brakes same (I bet the old Brembo's with trackpads are better). It is a really good car, but not a big step forward compared to the old version (perfomance wise). Motors can output more than 600BHP, I will wait for a new version with a battery than can deliver more performance. For now I will keep my old M3P.
Thanks for sharing
4:48 You get waaaay better cars from Europe, if you live outside of the US. This drop in the ocean of an attempt to balance things out just a tiny bit is well overdue.
We need to start seeing the new M3P trap speeds in Canada and elsewhere...time will tell the true story. However, the difference in the KW of the batteries bothers me.
Just been confirmed trap speed is in the 12.x for the global variant whereas the US is in low 11s
@@heyJohnEe mph? thks
Mph yes
@@heyJohnEewhat trap.. as in mph going through the gate not the time logged
It was already split like this in 2022. Canada had both LG and Panasonic variants.
Yeah it depends if there are excess supply from the US
I am not into EVs and Tesla, but follow what is ongoing here. The car clearly disappointed the expectations. So the next hope is that it performs better at higher speeds or will get a power boost option later. Well good luck, hope Elon fixes this for you.
Fingers crossed 🤞
510 in the US... all that matters woot!
💯🫡
Great video, very informative.. you've obviously done your research, particularly pointing out that the Panasonic battery is locally sourced (US) to benefit from the tax credit. Really hoping that Europe will eventually get the better battery and full power. I won't be buying it while it's 50bhp down, 460bhp is less than my current M3P.
Thank you for the support! I’ll have a breakdown of the numbers today, I don’t think it shows the entire story
Bro companies do this all the time lol different market different car. The power wasn't the issue for the old one it was the handling and other aspects that is the real upgrade.
Seems that we should all just wait to see how these things perform in instrumented testing before reaching any conclusions.
Fair
If it can pull a sub 11 second quarter that would be hot. Useless in the real world but ya lol
Your last sentence there, probably 99% of M3P owners 😂
I wanted one but im disappointed. Porsche taycan turbo s it is then
The Taycan is one beautiful car ❤️
Too bad the built quality overall from shanghai is better then the US factory.
M3P is a very good deal with the tax credit. For the EU i think the car doesnt quite deliver.
You win some you lose some 😁
I ordered one in Slovenia EU and i feel betrayed. i know that this is a super small difference, but still, it is. It feels like you are not worth it. I will have that bad taste in my mouth all the time, knowing there is a better one for others ....
Slow-venia 😅
I agree , I won’t be buying .
@@turrafirmaguitarchannel Haha that is perfect and ironic
I feel ya
nope, but when Tesla decide to change the batteries we will get Ludicrous mode… Still more than 100 bhp are to be extracted out of that read motor, but we need better performance battery to unlock that! 2025 with new CATL ? We will see. For now that is what we got… Cant complain :)
Yup I definitely believe the rear motor is much more capable than currently advertised
@@heyJohnEe Check you leaked papers and you will see front and back engine characteristics and kilowatt’s, that they are capable off :) And yes is so much more, like ludicrous more :) But yes, I also ordered a new one, and the only thing really ancient old is the battery… Tnx for all the infos…
@matejsenicar1 thanks for sharing, I’ll def check it out. Ludicrous badge has to eventually mean something, right?
Yeah, i'm torn about this. Its annoying not to get the same top end spec, but at the same time, Fremont made cars are just much lower quality than Shanghai. I have a Fremont built 2022 3 LR and its great, but my wife's December 2023 Shanghai built Model Y LR is SO MUCH BETTER quality! It even has double pane glass for the back windows. Whereas a recent examination of a showroom model Y at the Oakville tesla store, that fremont built Y has single pane rear glass still. All the fit and finish everywhere on our MIC(made in china) Y is perfect, and it's so quiet inside. In fact it's just as quiet as the fremont built model 3 LR i test drove from Oakville recently. The build quality of that car seemed fine, but it wasn't really any better than the older design Y my wife has. I was expecting more. So I suspect the MIC model 3 performance will be much better than the Fremont built 3 performance, other than the lower peak horsepower.
That’s true, however Tesla has really upgraded their Model 3 production line recently for the refreshed Model 3. So it’s getting all the best upgrades and should have similar build quality as the MIC version this time around
I think you’ll find it is all about the battery sourcing. The European models are getting a slightly longer range by about thirty miles plus and still pretty much the same specs on physical performance 0-60 and top speed etc…
Different regulatory standards and rating system. WLTP is very generous whereas EPA is much more strict. They can’t be compared when talking about EST range
John are you getting one? I’m in ⚡️😎
I’m on the verge 🥺
Had the 2021 M3Perf, was excited about this one, and as we know the true magic is getting under the 3 second mark as we have had the 3.1 mark for years now. Can't believe that they would not send the better batteries for putting in this higher end model. Concern in Canada is that if they come out with a performance boost for the US model, the Canadian LG Battery will not be able to deliver this in Canada as the battery will not allow all the additional hp/torque to shave 1/10ths as you get under the 3 second mark ie. lot's more power per 1/10 reduction...So, at that point, the US version with a perf boost could be a totally different car that the rest of the world's version :( Come on Elon, do us a solid in Canada for my support as our 6th Car from you guys!
Yeah I feel you, this is what we’ll have to deal with until battery supply outweighs car sales
its just marketing and tax points for different countries. They will perform exactly the same as anywhere else. it was the same for the pervious models
Butchered is a bit extreme loo
Lol maybe yeah 😂
Euro spec a lesser car ! Unfair and I won’t be buying ! Thanks Elon , I want the same as everyone else ffs . 40 to 50 bhp is massive and unacceptable from Tesla . Very disappointing.
Quite disappointing, for a regular trim sure as long as you’re compensated with additional range or something else. But for a performance car, reducing a performance aspect of it is just a no no
Same here… its even less than previous m3
It‘s still an incredible deal 😂 obviously those 50hp more would be nice but look at the competition, you can’t really complain about the Model 3 then
@@xxsablxx competition has decent after sale service and stalks 🤣
It was the same with the European Model Y Performance.. Never ever have I seen a European Model Y Performance do 100km/h in less than 3,9 seconds.. The US MYP was faster than the European one
It’s more noticeable this time with the M3P
The Euro MYP rarely does better than 4s to 100 km/h. I've seen 3.7s with 18in rims, though.
Tesla model 2.5 imagine saving all that money getting used performance with same horsepower and stalks lol
Model 2.5… hmm
I know, right? It's ridiculous. What's even more absurd is that Tesla only offers 19-inch wheels in China. I don't live in China, but still, I just can't see the point.
China prefers comfortable ride and looks over anything else. So 19in are made for that
The model 3 max hp is about 523 kw
That would be over 700 hp lol
Well you guys arnt that lucky cuz on my country we have 461 kW = 627hp xD but its a 3.1sec in 0-100 km/h
Limited edition 😄
You don’t have 461kw.
@johnnycos2211 some countries like Singapore are reporting 461kw, so he might be right. I posted a video specifically on it
@@heyJohnEe He’s not right. 461kw is the theoretical combined output of both *motors. The limiting factor is the *battery which is not able to supply that much power.
there is no difference between the two in terms of perfromance. both batery packs can output enough for the 510hp (cina sourced batterys actually show better perfromance characteristics on paper) but, its purely marketing. america likes to have a rollout included, europe doesnt. the 3.1 is including the 1ft time, the 2.9 is not. the HP figures are very arbitrary. much like the previous model 3 perfromance, when dyno'd they make the same power even on the older 2018-2019 batteries. as such the older ones were slightly faster because they were slightly lighter with their smaller battery, however marketing told you the mid cycle refresh was faster. on a dyno they both yielded basically the exact same numbers. the new one will be exactly the same. its just targeting different tax codes, different markets (i.e M3 & c63 market for europe, mustangs & dodges for america) different HP levels although fundamentally theyre similar performance (straight line wise). i think your extrapolating information that quite frankly isnt there. UK & Europe will get the same car, same batteries. yet the figures are different, and so are the efficiencies, on the same configuration? its just marketing, like porsche with their 0-60 times.
It’s not just marketing. I can guarantee you the 1/4 mile and 100-200kmh times will be different between the two
Just an FYI, both the US and Europe versions include 1ft rollout time. It’s referenced directly on the site, so yes, the Europe version is slower as much as you want to believe it’s equal
@@heyJohnEe ua-cam.com/video/pbdiQ9FjBwc/v-deo.html. the older models had updates to make them more powerful. there was aparently a disparaty between 2019 & 2021 versions, however that wasnyt the case as they just accounted for it in a different update. same power between the two even though one had less capacity and a completely different battery. misha actually dyno'd the two cars and while the new one made slightly more (5-10hp) they couldnt verify if this was due to batery degradation or just age. this will be 100% marketing. same reason the uk has the same 0-60 time as us, but apparently the lower hp number. also if thats the case the new cars are less powerful than before "technically speaking for the updates".
After 60 no POWER.. Like the old M3P.. F@ck this !! Better get a V8 !!
Not necessarily. I just released a new video on recent findings, it’s going to be much better
no power? The older car did the quarter in the low 11s at ~116...that's faster than a fast Mustang or Camaro. The new car may well make it into the 10s.
@@dangrassstill trap speed wasn’t quite there for the ET. A low 11s car should trap north of 120mph. I’m afraid the chinese car will still underperform on the top end. I would love to be wrong though😂
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John, a Tesla rep from Las Vegas Nevada (US) confirmed with me the new Model 3 performance has 4680 batteries 🔋🤔. I asked him 3x’s are you sure there not Panasonic 2170 cells. He stated “no”. Now, I’m really confused 🫤 They are indeed Panasonic 2170 cells
That rep should be fired
It's only eligible for the tax credit because it's a U.S. made battery
@@BaneSIlvermoon Yes, I know. I have several I applied it too. ⚡️😎