@@sean-hu2fothese white women are weird as hell. Like that other that wrote white fragility. They need to stop speaking for ALL WHITE PEOPLE bc in truth they only speak for their damned self and the journey THEY went on when they realized THEIR OWN inner racism like it’s some self-evident blanket fact of life for everyone else to secretly hold the same biases they had to unravel within themself. I have never walked in a room of mostly black people and felt uncomfortable. I grew up with black people. I visit black churches when I’m invited if someone is being acknowledged or a special occasion someone wants me to attend. I’ve never NOT felt empathy for black people the same I do white peoples. Y’all are getting off on your own supply and like a witch hunt, the blame is the point. Not the truth.
😊 I absolutely refer to myself as the first generation of cattle herders out of Africa! I have a genetic abnormality aka mutation that enables milk consumption? No women it's not okay for one person to talk for a group of people! You have no excuse for not understanding that poor people regardless of the skin color are poor. Wome😊 your family was so 😊 wealthy you could not understand when a man didn't have enough money to take you to a restaurant... The largest problem has is the Black Folk will not protect each other. No loyalty
Do these people not realize how hateful they are? Imagine living your life everyday with that much bigotry and hatred. Feel sorry for them, especially the one on the right.
"these people"...how is a conversation about a historically fabricated construct of "race" hateful. it should be liberating. You can be yourself...not a designation. Who are you, really? Is whiteness all that defines you?
@@KarenHunterShow you are debating here what you found hurtful about the problems your race has to deal with in an everyday basis. How is agreeing with someone calling white people psychopaths trying to guilt trip every single white and mixed person using hurtful comments as well. Same as saying "whiteness" the intent is to dehumanize the individual and portray a race you do not know as the villain. The theme here is being on a high horse and neglecting everyone else's opinions. I'm sure you haven't studied or been with the people you openly hate so much enough to understand it fully, or even know the whole history.
@@KarenHunterShow You are a Black supremacist. It is clear. And I love it! I hate white people as much as the next person, and the media. Their ancestors won the geographical lottery and were eventually able to be more capable of tribal warfare than other humans. They must confront this violent past head-on by submitting themselves to subjugation by actual humans, causing mass starvation! Amen, sister 🙏
@@lockednloaded9867 I am NOT a racist. I am NOT wrong. You are ignorant. That's a fact based on your assessment. And you're small. Calling me names with zero evidence to back it up or the ability to express why you arrived at that conclusion is why this world is so screwed up. Please be a better person.
@@KarenHunterShow I can give you an example of your overt racism. You boil every problem and institution down to race. You paint white people with the bullshit brush of racism because you lack the ability to reflect, and you lack critical thinking skills. Grow the f*** up.
I would like to have a long form discussion on how violent, criminal, and mentally deficient the demographic with excess melanin is in this country, and globally.
Translation : we are activists . Where’s the arguments found in rigorous scholarship ? It seems like the academy is permitting a whole lot of activists rather than ACADEMICS.
Complex discussion to have… staying within generalizations and group identities. Not saying to abandon it all, but too much of it doesn’t bring a full picture of the situation. Especially when the starting point of your worldview is blankslateism.
First-time viewer. I listened to all the interviews, which was hard to hear. I find it incredible that these two are academics. The irony of these two fighting racism whilst being incredibly racist is not lost on me, but I feel they are oblivious to it. They are not alone. Our institutions are riddled with them now. LOL, they are like the Borg or woke zombies. Totally deluded. A massive upheaval is coming, which has nothing to do with this subject. If they programme woke into AI, we would all be lost, including these two muppets. Oddly enough, I'm going to subscribe as I like to hear the extremes to balance my general view on what's going on in the world.
@@dan8884 LOL...I fear it is your brain...and more your soul...that cannot process it. If you believe talking about whiteness as a construct (WHICH IT IS!!! IT IS NOT A RACE OR A PEOPLE)...is racist, YOU are the one with the deficiency.
The nations need to be healed. The leaves of the tree 🌳[of Life] are for the Healing of the nations. That includes black and white nations and nations of all hues and cultures.
Would you expect anything else? Black racism is considered praiseworthy in our society now, so engaging in it not only carries no risks, it gets one a pat on the back.
It seems the truth has set us free to seek the truth, like whiteness is a social construct and time is an illusion...I can never be late? I am because we are? Men are from Mars, women are from Venus and planet earth is OUR home. Only salvation lasts forever er😂❤ Freedom is a human right!?
“Racism isn't dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers, and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as 'racist”
This conversation is so much needed. Thank you Karen! I actually left Christianity for various reasons but largely so much has become more evident to me in the Trump and post Trump era that points to religion as a tool used to maintain white supremacy for the same reasons discussed in this conversation. We’re not able to communicate or be seen effectively because we attribute everything to an entity we can’t control. It’s easy to hate a person when you can place your values on an outside source. It’s easy to maintain the status quo when you can think there’s something else working on your behalf but you just can’t see it. It’s not a popular opinion and I will not push on anyone, everyone has their own path. But I feel it functions a barrier for us to really see each other’s humanity and think critically so it effectively maintains the divide and conquer strategy. Much of our divisions in politics and everyday life are biblically based. Separation of church and state is a huge blurred line for many
If 'whiteness' is so bad, why have a white author on your show? Why not more black scholars and authors? Perhaps Thomas Sowell? I can't think of any one more knowledgeable or published on race relations and culture.
This chick is trying to prove that she's a GOOD white person and therefore better than the rest of us, when in fact she's a stupid, racist white person and worse than almost all of the rest of us.
@@KarenHunterShowthese white women are weird as hell. Like that other that wrote white fragility. They need to stop speaking for ALL WHITE PEOPLE bc in truth they only speak for their damned self. I have never walked in a room of mostly black people and felt uncomfortable. I grew up with black people. I visit black churches when I’m invited if someone is being acknowledged or a special occasion someone wants me to attend. When I used to drink, I preferred to party with black people. I’ve never NOT felt empathy for black people the same I do white people. It’s racist to judge others based on your own experience. Not only that, judge others based on their skin color bc of something you had to work through with yourself. And then to put the racist cherry on the cake, go on to evangelize & proselytize your belief based on your own subjective experience like you discovered some inalienable truth others have yet to discover. No, lady- you are just weird and used to be a bit racist. Y’all are getting off on your own supply and like a witch hunt, the blame is the point. Not the truth. One side gets to assign blame and the other one gets the attention they so obviously crave.
@@KarenHunterShow I don't think any sensible person would be willing to engage in a back and forth conversation with a tribalist/racist bigot of your kind.
Wow. I really love this series Prof Hunter. Your guest made me pause when she realized and admitted that she had no empathy. She easily carried on with her meal preparation after she heard what happened to the black kids vs her feelings after what happened to the white ones. I've had to check or let even white friends and women I have dated before, on their lack of empathy. Lack of empathy for situations with black celebrities because they subconsciously ignore similar issues of the white celebrity. They figure they aren't biased because they are dating someone black or have black friends. I'm wondering if you will continue this conversation. This is some dope and much needed conversation.
Want to know who has no empathy of the thousands of black youths killed by other black youths every year? Black people! No marches, no protests, no chants of "black lives matter!" over them, but let ONE white cop kill ONE unarmed black guy, regardless of the circumstances, and all hell breaks loose.
Good Afternoon Dr. Hunter, The history of how, when and where whiteness was invented is a must have conversation. To answer the question you posed in the header. Yes it is indeed a drug. Can we just say no?
Absolutely what I said... this is an ESSENTIAL conversation for this nation, in particular, to have but it is indeed a conversation the world needs to have. We ALL need to be freed from this _whole idea_ of whiteness - so-called "white" people as much as everybody else. There is only one race!
“Whiteness” is a communicable psychological disorder spread through philosophy, ideology, theology, infrastructure, systems, sociology and the individual.
It's delusional - and racist - to think that "whiteness" is something that was invented. It's simply the act of being white. Only racists pretend it's some kind of mindset or, as liberal dingbats like to say, a "social construct."
Loxism Noel Ignatiev, George Soros, Peter Sutherland, Wesley Clark, David Schwarz, Robert Aschberg, Peter Wolodarski, Barbara Lerner Spectre, Kier Starmer, Anthony Lester, Barbara Roche, Peter Mandelson, Jack Straw, David Miliband, Lajos Bokros, Emanuel Celler, Jacob Javits, Norbert A. Schlei, Elizabeth Holtzman, Chuck Schumer, Laurence Fabius, Harlem Désir, Bernard-Henri Levy, Josef Schuster, Gregor Gysi, Anetta Kahane, Walter Lippmann, David Manne, Alan Schatter, Ronit Lentin, Franca Eckert Coen, Job Cohen, Ervin Kohn, Richar von Coudenhove-Kalergi
Do not remember who but I recall two older scholars covering Bacons Rebellion with this insight. Through her work Dr. Battalora fights nazis so I wish her good journey. Professor Hunter thank you for hosting this scholar.
Seen a cherry-picked clip from this video featured on another channel (Memeology101). The comment section is an social experiment in action; I'm here now for a more comprehensive and less biased perspective of the clip. After listening to the first six minutes, I understand why many people of Dr. Jaqueline's ethnic background would find this video controversial and upsetting. In essence, she is making the argument that her people should stop purposefully ignoring and/or neglecting the brutal and violent realities of the past that their ancestors created and have since airbrushed clean with near perfection. So much so, we as a species (not just the Western people) have shared amnesia. Just like how darker skinned people struggle daily with external challenges in a world of inarguable structural racism, white people struggle internally with justifying, excusing, denying, or outright ignoring their ancestors' actions and how those actions presently affect and benefit their lives in the modern era. Most people, like Dr. Jaqueline, may never be able to imagine living on a planet where they'd be unable to travel almost anywhere without the immediate presence of fear simply because of the color of their skin; most white people don't care to imagine what it's like to be followed and harassed, threatened with physical violence or death, be cursed or spit on/at, or having your hair/body touched without permission. Similar to the gender divide that creates tension and argument: most men don't care to think from the perspective of a woman who is more likely to be followed home at night - especially if she is young, harassed if they do not cooperate with the failed romantic advances of a stranger and even threatened with death for being attractive yet unwilling to agree to the demands of a man. And on the other side, most women fail to imagine what it might be like to be a man in this world, too. Most of us live so freely we don't care to think about such things because it doesn't directly affect us and seems like a waste of time for various reasons a psychologist could understand. The past lives within us, in our blood and in our genes crafted over many generations. For any number of reasons, people do not like to accept that notion of thought or belief. If someone were to reveal the ugly, horrible truth about Christopher Columbus's real life to a white person between the ages of 40 and 100, those listeners might experience mental distress and outrage because it challenges their established beliefs about their pedestaled hero; as a fact, others might just revel in the barbarism Columbus and his cohorts relished in (and wish they were there). Those who would ignore or deny historical yet lesser known facts about a sordid past would only exacerbate their insecurities and any mental deficiencies (they'd likely choose to embrace rather than address). For some who are like Dr. Jaqueline, accepting the reality of the past and how it has affected all of your mind, body and soul, is a daunting task, and it is much easier to continue on with the daily routine whereas people of the minority are forced to live in both the past and the present which they cannot ignore. This has been my Ted talk, thanks for reading! But seriously, it might be a different world if we could delay staring at our phones and take time for introspection and healing but the world is too fast, and too busy in 2023. It is so much easier to continue supporting the mega corporations comprised of individuals with wealth for several lifetimes whom we should never hope to meet than to take time for self-reflection, what some might call, "spiritualism"...
This read was a waste of time in my opinion. Very basic, too general, and even incorrect in some ways. You've managed to say nothing of value. It sounds pseudo intellectual in the worst way. Last note: you say this is an unbiased take but it seems you also failed at that part.
I have never seen anyone justify or deny the slave trade. I've seen people point out it was the norm to enslave people in that period, but they still acknowledge it was wrong.
Purchased the book and can’t wait to read it. Another excellent book?………White Women : Everything You Already Know About Your Own Racism and How to Do Better.
Yaaasss Kaaaren com'on through Queen!!!! I love how you took the pillow gloves off and said Naw, we talk'in real feelings, real emotions today, and you didn't sugar coat anything. Sis, I felt everything you were saying. Thank you thank you thank you, and you're right .....STOP ALL THAT CRYING SH!T
What’s your IQ? Which culture created a rocket to space? Or cell phones/computers/clean drinking/automobiles/airplanes? Which one still hangs out in mud huts?
It's true- you can read about race, racism etc. as a white person. Correct people if they say a "wrong term" Be against Racism blah, blah, blah, talk 'white fragility" but if you don't have people in your life that don't look like you, you are living just on paper. So many white people talking anti-racism and then the only people in their life, at their events, dinners, etc. everyone is white with boring conversations. If you're white you gotta have personal interactions that make a difference and be able to hang with people who are different. Too much intellectualism and academics and conjecturing. Sitting around just with other white people talking "privilege, fragility, guilt, etc. etc. or whatever and staying in the "white house" goes nowhere, in my opinion)(I know we need the intellectualism and academics but....) Knowing quotes from Audre Lorde, Oprah, etc. isn't enough. I know we need everyone academic intellectuals, theorists, regular people. We can all play a role but I don't think there can be major change without meaningful interactions. Check Dr. Kenneth Hardy "privempathy, the empathy of the privileged.
Are you implying that if everyone is white the conversations must be boring as a result? Or do you just have a social circle with whom you talk about "anti-racism" 24/7 without having any real interests beyond that? Because I'd agree that sounds boring as heck.
I can't believe people like you exist. You are such a self hating piece of garbage. You should clearly read into different countries histories if you want to know the truth that all people are awful.
@@giusepperana6354 no- I'm saying it's boring to me to just talk to people who are the same. I learn more and it's more interesting to me to be around diversity of people, ideas and experiences.
I have purchased the book. looking forward to reading it. In this instance her hope is also based in what she hopes they all still can be. We as Black folks seen how hopeless it can really be. By the end I think you had her trying to convince herself that white hope matters. Thanks for invigorating me.
The answer to the question is absolutely yes but is now time for each one, teach one. It’s easy when you’re younger to “feel” pro black, but then turn assimilationist when you need a job. I had my epiphany close to 40, which I hate, but as long as I have the ability, going to use my OG status to pour into the youth to get that epiphany earlier. We spent all that time walking on eggshells for no benefit to us but to make those who hate us comfortable. Hard pass.
I didn't read her reaction that way but then I've seen her in a lot of spaces; check out her talks on other shows to get a feel for her mindset. She understands the assignment and even questions whether there is such a thing as "good white people".
Whiteness and the lack there of is currency depending where you are. It just so happens you get "rewarded" more the closer you are to whiteness or appealing to whiteness in the Americas. Yes, there are exceptions but very few. Usually with strings attached. 🌿💜🌿
@godlee908 Yes it works like a tier. However in my country it's more of a caste system. Where the more European you look or are the more attractive and intelligent you are perceived. The dark skin you are and less European you appear the less attractive you are perceived to be and less intelligent. Being mixed is in some ways seen as exotic and beguiling. The rewards come with the assumptions unfortunately. Like I said there are exceptions to the rule but few and far. Thankfully things are slowly changing. 🌿💜🌿
"Whiteness" is not an actual thing, and the only people in America who exist in a system where they get benefits based on their race are black people... and maybe Hispanics. No white person gets anything other than disadvantages for being white.
I have to say that Dr. Battalora touched on something about the lack of empathy. How she references that she felt more empathy for animals then black people. I saw this first hand during the Rodney King beating as a lot of my Caucasian classmates had zero empathy and there were quite few people I worked with who had zero empathy for George Floyd. Blacks are thought of as less than human. Then comes the rationalizations: Chicago, Black on Black crime and so forth as supposed reasoning why Black are not deserving of empathy. Although the per capita incidence of violent crime is higher in the rural South meaning that statistically if you live in the South you have more of a chance being a victim of violent crime then anywhere else in America.
probably because he wasa violent criminal. people logically dont fel empathy with someone who commits violent crimes. especially if they also realise the medi and everyone else is lying about them being an innocent saint when they absolutely werent. Did you have any empathy for the man in arizon who shortly before the george flloyd incident, police showed up at his house in the middle of the ngiht, shone a flashlight in his face so he couldnt see anything, and then shot him multiple times because he was holding a gun pointed at the ground because he had no idea who the heck was banging on his door in the middle of the night...? and who it turned out his neighbour phoned in a fake call to the police saying there was a domestic, but they lied. Not many people even know these cases happen involving white people in order to feel any empathy for them.
@@ge2719 You asshole. The officers that stopped King were in total control of the situation and beating him to a pulp was unnecessary in that circumstance. It was clear that he was beyond fighting back. Be a fucking man and own up to your bigotry and hatred and just admit that you have no issue with seeing an black man being beaten half to death. lStop hiding behind pseudo-intelligent rationalization. If you going to be a bigot, OWN IT, and accept you have the heart of a misanthrope and coward.
@@ge2719 Another thing. Why the fuck are you here on these platforms if you don’t think whites don’t have a voice here? And lastly remember 98+% of Media and businesses are owned by whites which means if it isn’t covered than maybe you as a mediocre white male don’t matter to the elites, just like blacks don’t matter to you. In the eyes of the 1% you are a n****er too. Let that sink in before you respond and give me ample an opportunity to to finish verbally burning your bigoted sociopathic ass down.
I don't know what people are in your social circle but if you or your friends have less empathy for black ppl than for animals then there's somethign wrong with you and ur friends and not white ppl in general. I'm white and I've never felt this way in my life. Seeing ppl get hurt has always made me feel sad and angry no matter the skin color. However if people behave very badly and treat others badly themselves, then that makes me feel less bad about what happens to them as a result, and that likewise has little correlation with skin color.
@@ge2719 I did feel bad about what happened to Mr. Floyd for my part. He didn't deserve the outcome he got. However I also think he was a disgusting human being (but a human being nonetheless) and it's very strange how he became the poster child of this whole "movement" while similar or arguably less undeserved things happened to ppl who happened to not be black and not a soul went to the streets to protest about it. If I could push a button and give Floyd his life back, I would. But if I could press only one button and pick between him and almost anyone else, he wouldn't get picked.
Thanks, Professor Hunter- you and Dr. Carr always give me so much food for thought. One thing I've been thinking lately is that, if melanemic people like myself want to contribute to progress and liberation, it can't be about our own individual 'white-person's redemption arc from racist-to-woke'. While deconstructing our personal racism and membership in the cult of whiteness is a worthy and necessary effort, I believe it's also the systemic/structural racism baked into our institutions which will require a lot of effort to dismantle. I think there's one community that has figured out a blueprint for a future where everyone can be free. Unfortunately there are powerful people who don't want that, and they'll try to destroy those who try. But the beautiful things about dreams is they can't be destroyed.
There is no "cult of whiteness." That's a myth created by white-hating racists. Also, there is ZERO "systemic/structural racism baked into our institutions." That lie is an excuse created to excuse the poor performance of black people. There's nothing in the world holding black people back other than their own behavior, but rather than deal with that unarguable fact, you pretend that the system is out to get you, when in fact the system has given you benefits based purely on race for the last 60 years at least, racial benefits that no white person gets, yet still you complain and engage in racism against us. Amazing.
"We are so tired of being dehumanized"
*Proceeds to dehumanize others
Easily triggered aren't you, everything that was said flew over your head except that little joke. Boy oh boy! 🤫
@@sean-hu2fothese white women are weird as hell. Like that other that wrote white fragility. They need to stop speaking for ALL WHITE PEOPLE bc in truth they only speak for their damned self and the journey THEY went on when they realized THEIR OWN inner racism like it’s some self-evident blanket fact of life for everyone else to secretly hold the same biases they had to unravel within themself. I have never walked in a room of mostly black people and felt uncomfortable. I grew up with black people. I visit black churches when I’m invited if someone is being acknowledged or a special occasion someone wants me to attend. I’ve never NOT felt empathy for black people the same I do white peoples. Y’all are getting off on your own supply and like a witch hunt, the blame is the point. Not the truth.
Yup
aww 7 year old whitoid cant cope. let me know how that public school education works out for you🤣🤣
😊 I absolutely refer to myself as the first generation of cattle herders out of Africa! I have a genetic abnormality aka mutation that enables milk consumption? No women it's not okay for one person to talk for a group of people! You have no excuse for not understanding that poor people regardless of the skin color are poor. Wome😊 your family was so 😊 wealthy you could not understand when a man didn't have enough money to take you to a restaurant... The largest problem has is the Black Folk will not protect each other. No loyalty
Do these people not realize how hateful they are? Imagine living your life everyday with that much bigotry and hatred. Feel sorry for them, especially the one on the right.
"these people"...how is a conversation about a historically fabricated construct of "race" hateful. it should be liberating. You can be yourself...not a designation. Who are you, really? Is whiteness all that defines you?
@@KarenHunterShow you are debating here what you found hurtful about the problems your race has to deal with in an everyday basis. How is agreeing with someone calling white people psychopaths trying to guilt trip every single white and mixed person using hurtful comments as well. Same as saying "whiteness" the intent is to dehumanize the individual and portray a race you do not know as the villain. The theme here is being on a high horse and neglecting everyone else's opinions. I'm sure you haven't studied or been with the people you openly hate so much enough to understand it fully, or even know the whole history.
@@goncalo.ferreira my race? There is no "my race" and "your race"...can you NOT see that?
@@goncalo.ferreira : you clearly don't get it. If you buy into this notion of race, then you have bought into the sickness. That's the point!
@@tedcomet3121 interesting...you have no intellectual comeback, huh?
She’s not lying She’s a psychopath just don’t mix everyone else with you just because you have the same skin color.
This is racist and just so wrong.
what's racist? What's wrong? Use your words and express what you actually mean?
@@KarenHunterShow You are a Black supremacist. It is clear. And I love it! I hate white people as much as the next person, and the media. Their ancestors won the geographical lottery and were eventually able to be more capable of tribal warfare than other humans. They must confront this violent past head-on by submitting themselves to subjugation by actual humans, causing mass starvation! Amen, sister 🙏
@@KarenHunterShow You are racist. You are wrong. Nothing should be lost in that.
@@lockednloaded9867 I am NOT a racist. I am NOT wrong. You are ignorant. That's a fact based on your assessment. And you're small. Calling me names with zero evidence to back it up or the ability to express why you arrived at that conclusion is why this world is so screwed up. Please be a better person.
@@KarenHunterShow I can give you an example of your overt racism. You boil every problem and institution down to race. You paint white people with the bullshit brush of racism because you lack the ability to reflect, and you lack critical thinking skills. Grow the f*** up.
I would like to have a long form discussion on how violent, criminal, and mentally deficient the demographic with excess melanin is in this country, and globally.
go have it...
Not intellegent enough to have it yourself
@@KarenHunterShowhe cant hes low iq
Translation : we are activists . Where’s the arguments found in rigorous scholarship ? It seems like the academy is permitting a whole lot of activists rather than ACADEMICS.
Complex discussion to have… staying within generalizations and group identities. Not saying to abandon it all, but too much of it doesn’t bring a full picture of the situation. Especially when the starting point of your worldview is blankslateism.
First-time viewer. I listened to all the interviews, which was hard to hear. I find it incredible that these two are academics. The irony of these two fighting racism whilst being incredibly racist is not lost on me, but I feel they are oblivious to it. They
are not alone. Our institutions are riddled with them now.
LOL, they are like the Borg or woke zombies. Totally deluded.
A massive upheaval is coming, which has nothing to do with this subject. If they programme woke into AI, we would all be lost, including these two muppets.
Oddly enough, I'm going to subscribe as I like to hear the extremes to balance my general view on what's going on in the world.
Please give us your definition of racism. Thanks.
@@KarenHunterShow it’s useless we can give you the definition LITERALLY off the internet. But you brain isn’t going to process it
@@dan8884 LOL...I fear it is your brain...and more your soul...that cannot process it. If you believe talking about whiteness as a construct (WHICH IT IS!!! IT IS NOT A RACE OR A PEOPLE)...is racist, YOU are the one with the deficiency.
@@dan8884in other words shws notbeing racist and youre projecting your own racism off on her, ignroant angry and insecure
The nations need to be healed.
The leaves of the tree 🌳[of Life] are for the Healing of the nations.
That includes black and white nations and nations of all hues and cultures.
The thought of color in the mind to make a decision because of that is very auspicious..
Professor Hunter I love how you don't sugarcoat anything. Straight up with no chaser!!!
That's what we need! Soft-footing these serious topics has proven not to work.
Yup! Just pure, unadulterated racism towards white people.
Would you expect anything else? Black racism is considered praiseworthy in our society now, so engaging in it not only carries no risks, it gets one a pat on the back.
Painful viewing in order to get inoculated and fight back.
I have one question for these Germania folks. Why are you so rigged about truthful versions of truthstory
If the non truths stopped being told, I think evidently we could heal.
Seek the truth. "The truth shall set you free!"
It seems the truth has set us free to seek the truth, like whiteness is a social construct and time is an illusion...I can never be late? I am because we are? Men are from Mars, women are from Venus and planet earth is OUR home. Only salvation lasts forever er😂❤ Freedom is a human right!?
What "truth"?
@@Edward-bm7vw The invited guest is a Law Professor. One would hope she has learned the "truth" about our great country.
@@ZACATCS Lawyers are only good at one thing - bullshitting.
“Racism isn't dead, but it is on life support - kept alive by politicians, race hustlers, and people who get a sense of superiority by denouncing others as 'racist”
This conversation is so much needed. Thank you Karen! I actually left Christianity for various reasons but largely so much has become more evident to me in the Trump and post Trump era that points to religion as a tool used to maintain white supremacy for the same reasons discussed in this conversation. We’re not able to communicate or be seen effectively because we attribute everything to an entity we can’t control. It’s easy to hate a person when you can place your values on an outside source. It’s easy to maintain the status quo when you can think there’s something else working on your behalf but you just can’t see it. It’s not a popular opinion and I will not push on anyone, everyone has their own path. But I feel it functions a barrier for us to really see each other’s humanity and think critically so it effectively maintains the divide and conquer strategy. Much of our divisions in politics and everyday life are biblically based. Separation of church and state is a huge blurred line for many
No, the conversation that needs to be had is "Why are black people in this country so unabashedly racist?"
If 'whiteness' is so bad, why have a white author on your show? Why not more black scholars and authors? Perhaps Thomas Sowell? I can't think of any one more knowledgeable or published on race relations and culture.
This chick is trying to prove that she's a GOOD white person and therefore better than the rest of us, when in fact she's a stupid, racist white person and worse than almost all of the rest of us.
"If everyone eats, then we're good."
~Karen Hunter
this is straight up racist !!
What part? Please define racism and what is racist about this conversation. Just saying something doesn't make it true.
@@imnotracistbut-9559 You clearly can't define it. So...go troll elsewhere.
@@KarenHunterShowthese white women are weird as hell. Like that other that wrote white fragility. They need to stop speaking for ALL WHITE PEOPLE bc in truth they only speak for their damned self. I have never walked in a room of mostly black people and felt uncomfortable. I grew up with black people. I visit black churches when I’m invited if someone is being acknowledged or a special occasion someone wants me to attend. When I used to drink, I preferred to party with black people. I’ve never NOT felt empathy for black people the same I do white people. It’s racist to judge others based on your own experience. Not only that, judge others based on their skin color bc of something you had to work through with yourself. And then to put the racist cherry on the cake, go on to evangelize & proselytize your belief based on your own subjective experience like you discovered some inalienable truth others have yet to discover. No, lady- you are just weird and used to be a bit racist.
Y’all are getting off on your own supply and like a witch hunt, the blame is the point. Not the truth. One side gets to assign blame and the other one gets the attention they so obviously crave.
@@KarenHunterShow I don't think any sensible person would be willing to engage in a back and forth conversation with a tribalist/racist bigot of your kind.
@@questionmark3583 yet, here you are...
Race, like gender can be determined by looking at bones. It is not a "social construct".
Its a social cosntruct
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Wow. I really love this series Prof Hunter. Your guest made me pause when she realized and admitted that she had no empathy. She easily carried on with her meal preparation after she heard what happened to the black kids vs her feelings after what happened to the white ones. I've had to check or let even white friends and women I have dated before, on their lack of empathy. Lack of empathy for situations with black celebrities because they subconsciously ignore similar issues of the white celebrity. They figure they aren't biased because they are dating someone black or have black friends. I'm wondering if you will continue this conversation. This is some dope and much needed conversation.
Want to know who has no empathy of the thousands of black youths killed by other black youths every year? Black people! No marches, no protests, no chants of "black lives matter!" over them, but let ONE white cop kill ONE unarmed black guy, regardless of the circumstances, and all hell breaks loose.
Good Afternoon Dr. Hunter, The history of how, when and where whiteness was invented is a must have conversation. To answer the question you posed in the header. Yes it is indeed a drug. Can we just say no?
Absolutely what I said... this is an ESSENTIAL conversation for this nation, in particular, to have but it is indeed a conversation the world needs to have.
We ALL need to be freed from this _whole idea_ of whiteness - so-called "white" people as much as everybody else. There is only one race!
“Whiteness” is a communicable psychological disorder spread through philosophy, ideology, theology, infrastructure, systems, sociology and the individual.
It's delusional - and racist - to think that "whiteness" is something that was invented. It's simply the act of being white. Only racists pretend it's some kind of mindset or, as liberal dingbats like to say, a "social construct."
What is Whiteness?
Being punctual. Being reliable. Being productive. Being succesful. (This is not MY definition of Whiteness. This is what Wokies actually say!)
@@Baalur Yeah I can see why they are threatened so much by that.
Biological whiteness particularly of western extraction.
White biological extraction covers other varieties of white.
God loves variety!
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Well first, stop referring to yourselves as “white” and we need to stop referring to ourselves as “black”
facts.
@@canadiandrumer please define "woke ideologues" and what is woke?
Why?
@@gaetanomaximus8650 was I talking to you? Mind your business.
@@KarenHunterShow You were talking ABOUT me. I'm white. When racists attack white people, they're attacking me.
This sheds more light on why every culture needs to heal and change to embark upon a new way to interact with each other’s.
Damn Prof, you rattled the Shiite out of her! Great job! Be
Do not remember who but I recall two older scholars covering Bacons Rebellion with this insight. Through her work Dr. Battalora fights nazis so I wish her good journey. Professor Hunter thank you for hosting this scholar.
Wait, whut? Did some racist imbeciles try to make Bacon's Rebellion a race issue??
Seen a cherry-picked clip from this video featured on another channel (Memeology101). The comment section is an social experiment in action; I'm here now for a more comprehensive and less biased perspective of the clip.
After listening to the first six minutes, I understand why many people of Dr. Jaqueline's ethnic background would find this video controversial and upsetting. In essence, she is making the argument that her people should stop purposefully ignoring and/or neglecting the brutal and violent realities of the past that their ancestors created and have since airbrushed clean with near perfection. So much so, we as a species (not just the Western people) have shared amnesia.
Just like how darker skinned people struggle daily with external challenges in a world of inarguable structural racism, white people struggle internally with justifying, excusing, denying, or outright ignoring their ancestors' actions and how those actions presently affect and benefit their lives in the modern era. Most people, like Dr. Jaqueline, may never be able to imagine living on a planet where they'd be unable to travel almost anywhere without the immediate presence of fear simply because of the color of their skin; most white people don't care to imagine what it's like to be followed and harassed, threatened with physical violence or death, be cursed or spit on/at, or having your hair/body touched without permission. Similar to the gender divide that creates tension and argument: most men don't care to think from the perspective of a woman who is more likely to be followed home at night - especially if she is young, harassed if they do not cooperate with the failed romantic advances of a stranger and even threatened with death for being attractive yet unwilling to agree to the demands of a man. And on the other side, most women fail to imagine what it might be like to be a man in this world, too. Most of us live so freely we don't care to think about such things because it doesn't directly affect us and seems like a waste of time for various reasons a psychologist could understand.
The past lives within us, in our blood and in our genes crafted over many generations. For any number of reasons, people do not like to accept that notion of thought or belief. If someone were to reveal the ugly, horrible truth about Christopher Columbus's real life to a white person between the ages of 40 and 100, those listeners might experience mental distress and outrage because it challenges their established beliefs about their pedestaled hero; as a fact, others might just revel in the barbarism Columbus and his cohorts relished in (and wish they were there). Those who would ignore or deny historical yet lesser known facts about a sordid past would only exacerbate their insecurities and any mental deficiencies (they'd likely choose to embrace rather than address). For some who are like Dr. Jaqueline, accepting the reality of the past and how it has affected all of your mind, body and soul, is a daunting task, and it is much easier to continue on with the daily routine whereas people of the minority are forced to live in both the past and the present which they cannot ignore.
This has been my Ted talk, thanks for reading! But seriously, it might be a different world if we could delay staring at our phones and take time for introspection and healing but the world is too fast, and too busy in 2023. It is so much easier to continue supporting the mega corporations comprised of individuals with wealth for several lifetimes whom we should never hope to meet than to take time for self-reflection, what some might call, "spiritualism"...
goofy paragraph ab columbus being an idol to 20th century white ppl. just learn how to talk to ur seniors bro
This read was a waste of time in my opinion. Very basic, too general, and even incorrect in some ways. You've managed to say nothing of value. It sounds pseudo intellectual in the worst way. Last note: you say this is an unbiased take but it seems you also failed at that part.
I have never seen anyone justify or deny the slave trade. I've seen people point out it was the norm to enslave people in that period, but they still acknowledge it was wrong.
You actually fell for it. Midwit.
Purchased the book and can’t wait to read it.
Another excellent book?………White Women : Everything You Already Know About Your Own Racism and How to Do Better.
So you said the system of whiteness cannot be overcome, which may be true. Then is it fruitless to think we can try or just like our best lives?
Except that there is no "system of whiteness," so there's that.
Leviticus chapter 26 Explains It All😑
sociologist, omg ofc she is
Thank you for providing a space for the “freedom to learn” and “unlearn”
KarenHunter is the GOAT😂😂😂
Yaaasss Kaaaren com'on through Queen!!!! I love how you took the pillow gloves off and said Naw, we talk'in real feelings, real emotions today, and you didn't sugar coat anything. Sis, I felt everything you were saying. Thank you thank you thank you, and you're right .....STOP ALL THAT CRYING SH!T
I'm glad the white lady said it ☕️💅
What’s your IQ? Which culture created a rocket to space? Or cell phones/computers/clean drinking/automobiles/airplanes? Which one still hangs out in mud huts?
Thank you Prof. Hunter ❤, I am definently a problem 😂 None of those Christians believe in GOD & never have by their behavior.
It's true- you can read about race, racism etc. as a white person. Correct people if they say a "wrong term" Be against Racism blah, blah, blah, talk 'white fragility" but if you don't have people in your life that don't look like you, you are living just on paper. So many white people talking anti-racism and then the only people in their life, at their events, dinners, etc. everyone is white with boring conversations. If you're white you gotta have personal interactions that make a difference and be able to hang with people who are different. Too much intellectualism and academics and conjecturing. Sitting around just with other white people talking "privilege, fragility, guilt, etc. etc. or whatever and staying in the "white house" goes nowhere, in my opinion)(I know we need the intellectualism and academics but....) Knowing quotes from Audre Lorde, Oprah, etc. isn't enough. I know we need everyone academic intellectuals, theorists, regular people. We can all play a role but I don't think there can be major change without meaningful interactions. Check Dr. Kenneth Hardy "privempathy, the empathy of the privileged.
Salaam! Complete Separation; is the only solution to the 500 year race problem!
Love your Honesty....!
Are you implying that if everyone is white the conversations must be boring as a result? Or do you just have a social circle with whom you talk about "anti-racism" 24/7 without having any real interests beyond that? Because I'd agree that sounds boring as heck.
I can't believe people like you exist. You are such a self hating piece of garbage. You should clearly read into different countries histories if you want to know the truth that all people are awful.
@@giusepperana6354 no- I'm saying it's boring to me to just talk to people who are the same. I learn more and it's more interesting to me to be around diversity of people, ideas and experiences.
I have purchased the book. looking forward to reading it. In this instance her hope is also based in what she hopes they all still can be. We as Black folks seen how hopeless it can really be. By the end I think you had her trying to convince herself that white hope matters. Thanks for invigorating me.
The answer to the question is absolutely yes but is now time for each one, teach one. It’s easy when you’re younger to “feel” pro black, but then turn assimilationist when you need a job. I had my epiphany close to 40, which I hate, but as long as I have the ability, going to use my OG status to pour into the youth to get that epiphany earlier. We spent all that time walking on eggshells for no benefit to us but to make those who hate us comfortable. Hard pass.
There is no "black"
Don't you get it?
@@undefined167 there "shouldn't" be. But in the real world, yes there is
@@SuperKenndog You mean in the "white" world... yikes
She came across as defensive
I didn't read her reaction that way but then I've seen her in a lot of spaces; check out her talks on other shows to get a feel for her mindset. She understands the assignment and even questions whether there is such a thing as "good white people".
Whiteness and the lack there of is currency depending where you are. It just so happens you get "rewarded" more the closer you are to whiteness or appealing to whiteness in the Americas. Yes, there are exceptions but very few. Usually with strings attached.
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Baseless propaganda. "Whiteness" doesn't exist. You are simply trying to demonize an entire race of people
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Yes it works like a tier. However in my country it's more of a caste system. Where the more European you look or are the more attractive and intelligent you are perceived. The dark skin you are and less European you appear the less attractive you are perceived to be and less intelligent. Being mixed is in some ways seen as exotic and beguiling. The rewards come with the assumptions unfortunately. Like I said there are exceptions to the rule but few and far. Thankfully things are slowly changing.
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"Whiteness" is not an actual thing, and the only people in America who exist in a system where they get benefits based on their race are black people... and maybe Hispanics. No white person gets anything other than disadvantages for being white.
I have to say that Dr. Battalora touched on something about the lack of empathy. How she references that she felt more empathy for animals then black people. I saw this first hand during the Rodney King beating as a lot of my Caucasian classmates had zero empathy and there were quite few people I worked with who had zero empathy for George Floyd. Blacks are thought of as less than human. Then comes the rationalizations: Chicago, Black on Black crime and so forth as supposed reasoning why Black are not deserving of empathy. Although the per capita incidence of violent crime is higher in the rural South meaning that statistically if you live in the South you have more of a chance being a victim of violent crime then anywhere else in America.
probably because he wasa violent criminal. people logically dont fel empathy with someone who commits violent crimes. especially if they also realise the medi and everyone else is lying about them being an innocent saint when they absolutely werent. Did you have any empathy for the man in arizon who shortly before the george flloyd incident, police showed up at his house in the middle of the ngiht, shone a flashlight in his face so he couldnt see anything, and then shot him multiple times because he was holding a gun pointed at the ground because he had no idea who the heck was banging on his door in the middle of the night...? and who it turned out his neighbour phoned in a fake call to the police saying there was a domestic, but they lied.
Not many people even know these cases happen involving white people in order to feel any empathy for them.
@@ge2719 You asshole. The officers that stopped King were in total control of the situation and beating him to a pulp was unnecessary in that circumstance. It was clear that he was beyond fighting back. Be a fucking man and own up to your bigotry and hatred and just admit that you have no issue with seeing an black man being beaten half to death. lStop hiding behind pseudo-intelligent rationalization. If you going to be a bigot, OWN IT, and accept you have the heart of a misanthrope and coward.
@@ge2719 Another thing. Why the fuck are you here on these platforms if you don’t think whites don’t have a voice here? And lastly remember 98+% of Media and businesses are owned by whites which means if it isn’t covered than maybe you as a mediocre white male don’t matter to the elites, just like blacks don’t matter to you. In the eyes of the 1% you are a n****er too. Let that sink in before you respond and give me ample an opportunity to to finish verbally burning your bigoted sociopathic ass down.
I don't know what people are in your social circle but if you or your friends have less empathy for black ppl than for animals then there's somethign wrong with you and ur friends and not white ppl in general. I'm white and I've never felt this way in my life. Seeing ppl get hurt has always made me feel sad and angry no matter the skin color. However if people behave very badly and treat others badly themselves, then that makes me feel less bad about what happens to them as a result, and that likewise has little correlation with skin color.
@@ge2719 I did feel bad about what happened to Mr. Floyd for my part. He didn't deserve the outcome he got. However I also think he was a disgusting human being (but a human being nonetheless) and it's very strange how he became the poster child of this whole "movement" while similar or arguably less undeserved things happened to ppl who happened to not be black and not a soul went to the streets to protest about it. If I could push a button and give Floyd his life back, I would. But if I could press only one button and pick between him and almost anyone else, he wouldn't get picked.
Professor Hunter,.you are the best Sis 🔥
thank you.
@@KarenHunterShowNaw you’re a fkn r3t@rd. White people created everything in your daily life. You’re welcome.
She’s a racist to the core
Also I love you sooo much Prof.Hunter for holding their feet to the fire the look on your face is priceless when you're about to call b.s.
It’s a helluva drug
Thank you.
She tried to hang in there with ya Professor Hunter.. great conversation
Ms. Hunter great show on the premise of this paradigm that we live in upon how this system of supremacy works🔄🕛🔄
Thanks, Professor Hunter- you and Dr. Carr always give me so much food for thought. One thing I've been thinking lately is that, if melanemic people like myself want to contribute to progress and liberation, it can't be about our own individual 'white-person's redemption arc from racist-to-woke'. While deconstructing our personal racism and membership in the cult of whiteness is a worthy and necessary effort, I believe it's also the systemic/structural racism baked into our institutions which will require a lot of effort to dismantle. I think there's one community that has figured out a blueprint for a future where everyone can be free. Unfortunately there are powerful people who don't want that, and they'll try to destroy those who try. But the beautiful things about dreams is they can't be destroyed.
What's the name of the community? I'd like to learn more about it.
There is no "cult of whiteness." That's a myth created by white-hating racists. Also, there is ZERO "systemic/structural racism baked into our institutions." That lie is an excuse created to excuse the poor performance of black people. There's nothing in the world holding black people back other than their own behavior, but rather than deal with that unarguable fact, you pretend that the system is out to get you, when in fact the system has given you benefits based purely on race for the last 60 years at least, racial benefits that no white person gets, yet still you complain and engage in racism against us. Amazing.
Great comvo
Thank you for posting this.
You have 100 wolves coming at you and you have to determine the 54 that voted for trump?
Racist piece of shit.
Your videos are sooo good & thought engaging, Karen!!!
Thank you!