Thanks for the video. I've had the Victoria for a few years and it's simple outstanding. Your bar pressure is way too high. Set it to 8.5-9.0 and temperature to 200. Dose 19-20 grams in the double basket and you will see why it's likely the best single boiler, vibration pump machine on the market, and probably better than many rotary pump machines with less fuss. The key is the design of having the boiler directly over the brew head which give perfect temperature stability....Enjoy!
Not sure you can Set bar pressure that is determined by the GRIND ( fine or coarser). He had it in the green which is good enough. Also Is that 200 on the machine Fahrenheit or celsius? I'm wondering what the machine is set to C or F? and if its C, and you need to be at 200F, does that mean it must be set at 93 C?
@@rickseneris A good video link below from Espresso Heat to set the overall bar pressure at 8.5-9.0 (or about 9.5 on the units gauge using the blind filter), remember to overdose the double basket, typically 19-20 grams of medium roast, 30-35 seconds, 200 Fahrenheit ua-cam.com/video/KVtpmOQSrJQ/v-deo.html
@@xlifewritex, I have a Victoria, myself. The first thing I did, when it was a month, from the 12 month warranty, is adjusted the brew pressure down to 9.5 bars and added an SCR motor speed controller module to profile my brew pressure. It works great. I froth my milk at 160 degrees f. It tastes chocolatte.
A really good, clear demonstration showing all of the capabilities of the Lelit Victoria. Personally I am pleased that I paid the additional money ( in London about £250 ) for the Lelit MaraX. It does seem to be a much more refined, capable & durable machine. Many thanks !
@@xlifewritex my very honest opinion if you have the money MaraX is a better option for such small increment ($400) Small increment compare to the different between MaraX and Bianca ($1000). If you have low budget and have to choose between MaraX n Bianca then i say MaraX. The difference you can buy good solid grinder.
@@StefanusGoana Yeah im actually deciding between Lelit Anna 2 and Victoria. The only reason I'm considering the victoria is its a 58mm portafilter vs 57mm on the Anna. Price is good for anna too. Allowing me to buy a nice grinder . Do you recommend any good grinders?
I own a Victoria for about 2 weeks, have had this problem happen 3x since using every day. While I am steaming for only about 25 seconds (to get a thicker microfoam), the pump will turn on to add water to the boiler every approximate 10-12 seconds (which I'm told this is perfectly normal)- then......the PID went back to my brewing temp. of 202° while steaming. Steaming is at 275°. I'm hoping there isn't something wrong with this unit.
Sorry just saw this comment yes it is perfectly ok. It is programmed to maintain adequate water inside boiler to avoid burn on heating element that will ruin your machine
Man you must have spent a lot of money to get that setup. The machine is like $1,500, then you have a grinder that is like $700. That's some serious cash for an espresso :) I am tossed between the ANNA 2 vs the Victoria. I want the 58mm and i like the preinfusion, and timer so i might go for the victoria.
@@xlifewritex In Germany, the machine is just around 760 €, which would be like $ 850 or so... As a grinder, you could always go with some of the great Eureka New Mignon models, the more advanced ones being around 370 € here. But maybe the German market is just lucky. We're pretty close to Italy, anyway. (Didn't check what William costs here.)
I love this machine. Makes great espresso. Still having huge issues with steaming though. Just can't get the silky texture no matter what I do... Now I'm wondering if maybe my temp is too low? I have it set to 260 F... Or maybe it just is technique... Though I'm following through like many videos, including yours, suggests. Ugh. Super frustrating. Lol
Hi Yaz Victoria is a little challenge but its not impossible. Iniect air in the beginning generously then dip your wand about half of your milk and wait till its hot. Good luck
I think it's because both water and steam are delivered through the wand instead if having separate hot water spout. When watch his demonstration you see even on steam the water never completely stops.
@@StefanusGoana Still working on it! Have good days, and some bad days... what do you think the best machine temp for steaming is on the Victoria? What variables are effected by changing the steaming temperature? Hope all is well.
@@ggivensjr It does use the same wand for both... I usually purge for a good 20 seconds before I start to steam... I don't see a lot of water when I purge the wand after 15 sec or so, but perhaps some is being mixed in when it's I'm actually steaming the milk.
@@yazr1712 Hi, Yaz. I am having the same problem; I can't seem to get a good silky texture no matter what I do. Were you ever able to get good milk texture out of this thing?
Question, why is the PID on the grace and Victoria only a “target temperature “ and not real-time temperature? I’ve been reading this on many comments on UA-cam channels. What is actually the difference between them and are there pros and cons? They have real time PID on the Anna 2 for example
For my taste and logically thinking it was not long extraction. As different machines use different spec pumps and builds pressure within different times and especially with pre-infusion we could end up with totally different times etc. I know that within around 20-30 seconds we should get 2x-2.2x amount of extracted liquid/espresso. So from 16g of coffe - around 32 - 35,2 g of espresso). But what I found interesting is that Lelit Victoria is building pressure slowly in comparison to other machines and pressure is higher than 9 bars straight from factory. What does it means? For first - higher pressure means liquid will be pushed through coffee with higher force =faster that with 9 bars. We can check this with plant spraying equipment - higher pressure more water comes out within same time. For second we should not actually count extraction time from pressing button especially when got pre-infusion (but Lelit time will not count it anyway). And another thing is that it takes some time to build max pressure - for me even 3-4 seconds O_o. And sometimes after this working pressure is reached I need to wait 3-5 seconds to see first drop (with pre-infusion on) but when I start counting after first drop it goes normally so within 23-26 seconds I got 2x-2,2x extraction. With different coffee blend I got that I got first drop immediately when pressure is reached with same flow rate 23-26seconds 2x-2.2x extraction. So everything can vary here and to be on safe side I believe is to kind of play with times within one particular blend of coffee to get best results. write it down and use it all the time. And who cares its longer or shorter, if it taste supreme (if we can say this in terms of espresso anyway). I prefer to drink cortado or latte/cappuccino, but drink shots from time to time if in hurry... but always try a sip of extracted coffee and to check if its dialed in correctly to my particular taste. I'm still learning, but what I believe is most important for someone who bought machine to make coffee himself is to find his own perfect recipe for best tasting espresso that hits their favored flavor... and not to try to hit some other people timings etc. At least I believe so...
Hello Stefanus, nice and interesting video! I'm an owner of a Victoria, I was for some time thinking to buy the Mara X. But I make only espresso and I decided to get the Victoria. I updated with IMS filter baskets and the IMS shower screen, the espresso is very good. I'm using the original Lelit tamper 58.55mm, a leveller and I also use the trick from Sprometheus to put a piece of paper on top of the puck to avoid channelling. My Victoria tends to make 4 little holes in the puck, using the paper this will not happen. As you have the Mara X also, I'm wondering about your opinion. How much better is the espresso with the Mara X with the legendary E61 group head? Or are they close only considering espresso brewing?
Hi Hans, i guess this means your water flow to fast from grouphead and maybe your grind setting a little too coarse. What you can do is make finer grind setting and use pre infusion mode in Victoria. If your local dealer can help you reduce water flow would be great. In Victoria you have to make sure that your grouphead is really ready, i know LCC shows OK really fast but grouphead may not be ready. One way is to buy a strip temperature sticker. You can check my instagram: amateur_coffee_enthusiast to see the exact sticker i'm talking about
@@StefanusGoana Hello Stefanus, thank you a lot for the answer. The extraction time is between 25s and 30s for 30ml of espresso and preinfusion is active, but there are often this 4 holes, maybe they aren't normally going through the puck, it's then an uneven surface of the puck, but clearly the extraction is uneven then. The "holes" are located next to 4 of the 8 water exits from the shower. I read about this effect also from other users. I will check if using 30s or more reduces the effect. Thank you a lot for your suggestions. Br Hans
Paper on the puck? Do you have a video on that? IM not sure you need to use paper. This is a high end machine and if there is channeling, like Stefanus said, adjusting the grind or even working the tamper more should avoid channeling.
@@xlifewritex Hello, see this video from Sprometheus. In my case I have now consistent shots with a plan puck surface. I solved the issue I had and I tried a lot before. I will not go back. The Espresso is now excellent and constistent with no exceptions. Br Hans ua-cam.com/video/xxmkPVqvopM/v-deo.html
@@Bergkette Thanks. I took a look at the video. While the use of a filter can certainly lead to slowing down extraction, even shots, and stronger shots. I'm not sure for me it's worth messing around with. Look at the stats on that video. ---- 9.49 TDS with no filter. Then with filters whether below, both, top it was higher but not by much. Yes, it will be higher with a filter as a filter slows extraction which leads to slightly stronger coffee but is the AVERAGE Joe going to notice that tiny fraction? Also, now you have to factor filters into your pricing per shot, and time messing around with cutting them. I could understand using filters if the percentage was huge like 5.0 TDS with no filter and 10 TDS with a filter. But we are talking about a 0.40 difference with one filter or 0.50 difference with two filters (top and bottom). I don’t see the value in that nor do I think the average joe will even notice that. In my mind again, this is where using the pressure gauge and playing around with different GRIND settings can improve extraction. If the espresso is too weak, chances are the grind is too coarse and too much water is getting through too fast ( leading to channeling and weaker coffee). Adjust your grind, play around with tamping and you may not have to use a paper filter. Now having said that, maybe the victoria machine is causing channeling issues and the grind and tamping is fine. In which case filters would be useful. But it's a sad fix for an expensive machine that shouldn't require them. But each to their own method. Thanks for sharing that video.
Dear Stefanos. I got Grace, Victoria little sister. My preferable basket is the 21 gr 57mm VIP as part of VIP bottomless. Does Victoria 58mm group provide significant advantage iver 57mm Grace? Does 58mm group,
@@GriuGriu64 ho if yiu have watched Lance Hedrick video about filter basket you can draw conclusion that for him deeper basket gave him more consistance and better profile taste. So far i myself tried 54mm better than 58mm
@@StefanusGoana 👍yes I did watch. Victoria & Grace are a perfect compromise for us who want basic automations, coffee shop environment at home, professional equipment maintenance support, but do not want to wait 30 minutes in the morning to warm up our machine.
Nice little machine, I really like the new Lelit espresso machines. You wrote that you do not use a leveler anymore. Any explanation on that? Did you get better results with your distribution tool? Additionally, where did you get the distributor and the beautiful tamper from?
Hi tamper and distribution tools cost me about $160. However i'm working on something cheaper, wait till the end of this month you can purchase from our website. Better result maybe subjective however it certainly alot easier, faster and i can skip leveler, it is obvious that it is already flat evenly
@@StefanusGoana That is great news. The ones I found were just too expensive for a piece of metal with a few needles attached to it. Do you offer shipping to europe?
Hi stefanus, I watched your other lelit videos too and decided to buy Victoria 91T. Thank you. But I can’t up the pressure so I cant brew real espresso. My espresso is always has too much water. Whats your suggestion? 🙋🏻♀️
Lets check if the machine or others. Check brewing with blind basket in your portafilter, if pressure can go up to 10 bar then machine is good. If machine is good then you have to grinder finer
hi, thank you for the video. I want to ask about the bar pressure. I came across numerous articles in many forums that the pressure should be reduced to 9 bar. Do you think this is really necessary? Is it worth trying to lower the pressure
@@StefanusGoana I'm curious if you've made that video? :) I'm interested in getting one of these machines and I too have heard that lowering the opv achieves much better results.
@@jadesierra7691 Just search there is a guide for both Anna and Victoria. Same on Grace and Vic, takes a bit more work than on Anna, since the OPV is kinda hidden.
Cool! And i did came across of Clive Coffee's manual on doing the OPV adjustment: support.clivecoffee.com/en/lelit-victoria-adjusting-pump-pressure-opv TBH sounds like a good video material since I don't see anyone make one on YT yet! ;)
I'm between the Grace and the Vic, but I'd love 58 mm. Just a steep price for that one extra feature. Is the OPV set to 11 bar, same as Grace? Edit: sweet bluesy guitar :)
I think pump pressure can always be adjusted so not too worry. 58mm atleast next upgrade machine will not be bigger than 58mm LOL You can always re use your accessories such as bottomless portafilter, Filter basket (VST, EMS,etc) Portafilter holder or hanger, etc al of them you can still use so think of the future benefit instead of buying everything new again
@@StefanusGoana Yeah I feel like with 57 mm I'd just get the Anna PID save a lot of money and then keep wondering if VST was better. Think I'll keep using my current grinder for a month or two, get the more expensive machine and then when I get a good grinder I'll know why people insist on them haha... and yes I know it's adjustable. In the Anna you can take the top off, Grace and Vic need a bit more work to access the OPV. If I ever make a lot of money I will start a coffee machine company, similar to Lelit but all machines 58 mm and set to 9 bar with an adjustable OPV including instructions. :)
Hi! I see that you have pressure about 12. Mine achive more or less 9 and when I try to get more coffee is dripping veeery slowly. Did you change anything in your coffee machine? How to achivie pressure like yours?
Hi 9 is actually the correct pressure. I think from the factory they did not care so much. If you received yours already at 9 bar then that is awesome. 12 bar too high you can read on google about ideal espresso pressure
Can you tell me if the water reservoir is very hard to get out? I read a review where the person said it was a super tight fit, hard to remove & cut themself with all the sharp metal around it. Also, I'm confused, never had a PID on a machine. They say for medium to medium dark roasts--one should put the temp to 198° to 200°. I'm confused I thought you said the brew temps goes to 95° Thanks for the help.
Hi its not really that tight and i don't understand why anyone would get cut just to remove it. Temperature 95 Celcius equals to 203 Fahrenheit. So you must have heard Fahrenheit isntead of celcius
@@StefanusGoana Thank you! Yeah, that was probably it--203F makes more sense, so it appears the PID reads in celsius & not Fahrenheit? Makes me feel better that the tank isn't that tight.
How do you feel about Victoria compared to Elisabeth or Mara X regarding the quality of the shot? I know Elisabeth is dual boiler but I do not need it for 2-3 coffees every day so I was looking at the Victoria also because it seems to have a shorter heating time compared to Mara X which is also single boiler but 1.8L. What do you think about the differences between these 3?
If you really tight on budget then Victoria more than enough. But if you have the money, no matter what the feeling is different. The whole experience of making coffer is alot more fun to do with MaraX or Elizabeth. warming up time you can always use smart plug. Using Victoria down the road you will want to upgrade then should go to Bianca, your upgrade will be very satisfiying.
@@StefanusGoana budget is not an issue but still don't want to spend more than its needed. I now have a Gaggia Clasic Pro and I am not happy as I cannot dial in the grind. I use quite fine grind because I use light roast coffee and the Gaggia will boy work with that. I don't enjoy the experience of the Mara or the lever action, I honestly prefer the simple button activation so looking only at the performance not the experience difference between the two.
@@muresansergiubohdan you have a decent equipment. Perhaps need to upgrade your skill first. Wats videos about how to dial in and avoid sourness in espress. You make think you need to go finer but infact finer create channeling and therefore underextracted and becomes sour. For medium roast you can increase your dose and pull a longer shot it may increase the extraction and long enough to squeeze all the juice perfectly.
How many grams did you put in the portafilter? I'm debating between this machine and the ECM CASA V, but it seems the Lelit is better. They both cost the same.
@@StefanusGoana just ordered today! I'm so excited. I have been extremely depressed due to my disabilities and other things, but now I will have a hobby that I can actually do. Thanks for responding. I love watching espresso. And of course tasting.
I have a Gaggia Classic & notice when you purge the water out of the steam tube with the Victoria, the water seems to take a long time to come out before turning to just steam. With my Classic, I only have to purge for a couple seconds before it turns to steam. Am I imagining it taking a long time with the Victoria?
@@KimMoonbmwmoonie Time will tell. I will have this new Victoria tomorrow. I wish I would have watched your video closer before ordering--as it seemed like it took forever for the water to be purged out of the steam tube. My Gaggia (despite the downfalls) would take about 2 seconds to purge water out of the tube. Then it was ALL steam. I think by watching your video--it eventually turned to all steam? At least I hope it does because if it doesn't, then it is adding water into the milk....which then adds water ultimately into the espresso which is a watered down yuck. Thanks.
I am coming from a gaggia classic and want to upgrade to lelit, would the Anna 2 be suitable upgrade? I don’t know which is their entry level (above the features of the gaggia classic)? Is the Victoria above the Anna 2 in performance? Sorry for stupid questions
Hi Aziz, there no stupid question. For upgrade i think depends on your budget. For Anna 2 i don't really see much upgrade and it is 57mm grouphead, could be a little down grade hahaha... but anna comes with additional pressure gauge. Victoria is a big upgrade with all the features and more powerful steam, however still single boiler you have switch and wait between coffee brewing and steaming. If you can stretch your budget a little more then go for MaraX or Elizabeth for maximum comfort and speed in preparing coffee.
@@StefanusGoana Thanks for you answer, the upgrade for me would be that the anna 2 has a PID so I don't have to guess the temperature. Also I don't mind waiting for changing between shots and steam, when the routine is there it is ok :) . I mostly drink myself but occasionally my wife wants a latte... From what I have read is that the 57mm is not a standard and that it is harder to find parts for it. But those who have that in mind also think ahead a couple of years and think of upgrading later on... meaning they think of it being harder to sell the portafilter etc since it not being a standard... but for me I won't be upgrading. I just want a solid machine that will last and is consistent with the shots and steam. one more reason why I want to change machine is the aluminium boiler in the gaggia due to risk of health reasons...again.. maybe silly but this is not something I constantly want to think of when enjoying my coffee
Hi I have now gone from thinking about buying the Anna 2 to the grace and now to the Victoria 😂😂 Question, there are so many reviews and videos of these machines, which is the most recent version of the Victoria, and is it still good single boiler machine? If you would chose again today between other machines, would still choose this machine? I just bought the specialita online and am waiting for it to arrive:) maybe I was too much in a hurry... I already own a pl043 lelit grinder. I could have tried with the one I have before I went off buying another expensive grinder ...
@@StefanusGoana @azizizgin, was going through these post again as I agonize about what machine to buy. I have asked clivecoffee.com and 1stlineequipment.com about upgrading the Victoria to the Elizabeth version 3 vibratory pump and they both refused. Clivecoffee.com said they don't do 3rd party modifications (AKA mods). I wrote back and asked what they meant because it's not a 3rd party upgrade. The pump is made by Lelit so what's the issue? I told them of course I'd pay for the pump and the labor to do it. 1stlineequipment.com didn't even bother to give an excuse. Can you believe it? I'm talking with a vendor closer to where I live now who doesn't carry Lelit about whether they can maybe get one for me. @stefanusgoana would your shop do a pump upgrade? Unfortunately you are to far from me to pay for shipping.
Hi, great work, I have Lelit Grace, 81 T , that is basicly identical to 91T, i have a problem with PL72 grinder, I can't find the ideal position to grind the coffee, or it is very fine, or it is very coarse, can you help me with this issue, many thanx :).
@@StefanusGoana So I need a scale?, (do you use 18gr/ one coffee) i see that your grinder is set to 4. One more question, can you tell me, if you can what's the name of the portafilter distibuitor. Thank you :)
@@alinleonard9544 Yes a scale is for sure. Forget about my grinder setting because yours is definitely different from mine even if you use the same brand and model. It is a 3D printer basically for distributing coffee ground evenly
Oh really? What would be the main advantages? I'm a beginner and the machine would only really be for me, a few drinks a day (mainly milk based drinks)
@@StefanusGoana Hmm, I guess it would be the vibration of the pump in combination with the relative light weight of the tray and the grid, then. My old Rancilio Silvia, like most home machines, has a vibration pump, too. But the Silvia has a heavy build in comparison with little Vicky here, weighhing about 14 kg. It's noisy as well, but the tray doesn't rattle. To be clear: Did Lelit just put rubber underneath the tray, or did they put bits of thin rubber tubing on the grid, too, where it rests on the tray? This might help additionally. It's a bit like with stereo speakers, I guess: They'll rattle if you put them on a sideboard without rubber pucks between sideboard and speaker, even if the feet of the sideboard are buffered. I think in some forum or review, somebody mentioned adding rubber tubing to the grid, fixing the problem. I guess an additional simple fix might be just to put something heavy (or just your hand) on the grid when starting the pump. I heard of some users complaining about the general level of noise Vicky makes. Some of the more tech savvy among them suggested or tried adding a pulsor to the pump, like the Mara X has. The Mara is a really silent machine, friends of mine own it and I was baffled that it doesn't even disturb a conversation while it's running! Then, I think some people mentioned that there isn't really enough space in the Victoria to fit the pulsor, or the pump is too hard to access to actually fit it, or something like that. I guess I wouldn't go that far, anyway, and rather just put a hand against the side of the machine while it's running...
@@negligiblethreat Actually we can upgrade with silent pump that is in MaraX. Silvia is pretty long in the market so i guess they had upgrade based on user experience. This Vicky comes with great LCC that us just amazing
@@StefanusGoana Thanks for the info! I live in Germany, so I might check whether the upgrade option exists here. I guess so, as some licensed German Lelit re-sellers offer service on a Lelit, and replacement of parts like the pump should be easy for them. The LCC would be exactly be the thing motivating me to replace my trusty old Silvia with smart little Vicky. My Silvia is a V1, so: No pump upgrade in there, definitely. And it IS a really noisy machine, but the heavy build keeps the tray from rattling. You're actually the only seller I know of who's honest enough to even mention the rattling tray or noise issues in his video. Much respect for that!
I'm following Sprometheus as well, he is good. Victoria certainly can do a normal cappuccino, you just have to incorporate more air in the begining, you can do this buy lowering your pither and hear to a more bubbly sound.
Sayangnya tidak bisa Bang Hendra. Karena ini single boiler tanpa HX technology. Bila mau yg bisa steam sekaligus bisa lihat MaraX, Elizabeth dan Bianca
LCC but this is single boiler. MaraX is HX can brew and steam milk at the same time. Also much bigger boiler size produce better steam power under a cool touch wand. Stainless steel boiler juga lebih mahal dari brass/copper
@@StefanusGoana cuma lelit victoria sudah ada pid nya ya Bang, kalau marax hanya 3 opsi saja. Utk value for money sdh oke banget yah? Portafilter sama2 std e61 kan ya?
The best thing is the reasoning for pairing the machine with the grinder 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks for the video. I've had the Victoria for a few years and it's simple outstanding. Your bar pressure is way too high. Set it to 8.5-9.0 and temperature to 200. Dose 19-20 grams in the double basket and you will see why it's likely the best single boiler, vibration pump machine on the market, and probably better than many rotary pump machines with less fuss. The key is the design of having the boiler directly over the brew head which give perfect temperature stability....Enjoy!
Not sure you can Set bar pressure that is determined by the GRIND ( fine or coarser). He had it in the green which is good enough. Also Is that 200 on the machine Fahrenheit or celsius? I'm wondering what the machine is set to C or F? and if its C, and you need to be at 200F, does that mean it must be set at 93 C?
@@xlifewritex 200° is obviously Fahrenheit! 200°C would be like pouring in molten lava at 392°F
Yes, I noticed that too. The pressure is set too high from the factory setting of supposedly 9.5 bars.
@@rickseneris A good video link below from Espresso Heat to set the overall bar pressure at 8.5-9.0 (or about 9.5 on the units gauge using the blind filter), remember to overdose the double basket, typically 19-20 grams of medium roast, 30-35 seconds, 200 Fahrenheit
ua-cam.com/video/KVtpmOQSrJQ/v-deo.html
@@xlifewritex, I have a Victoria, myself. The first thing I did, when it was a month, from the 12 month warranty, is adjusted the brew pressure down to 9.5 bars and added an SCR motor speed controller module to profile my brew pressure. It works great. I froth my milk at 160 degrees f. It tastes chocolatte.
Really nice choice of music. And great tips!
A really good, clear demonstration showing all of the capabilities of the Lelit Victoria.
Personally I am pleased that I paid the additional money ( in London about £250 ) for the Lelit MaraX.
It does seem to be a much more refined, capable & durable machine.
Many thanks !
Hi Paul yes certainly Lelit MaraX is better interm of steaming especially, air is much dryer.
The mara is like $1900 over here in Canada. Expensive unit. Where the victoria is around $1500.
@@xlifewritex my very honest opinion if you have the money MaraX is a better option for such small increment ($400)
Small increment compare to the different between MaraX and Bianca ($1000). If you have low budget and have to choose between MaraX n Bianca then i say MaraX.
The difference you can buy good solid grinder.
@@StefanusGoana Yeah im actually deciding between Lelit Anna 2 and Victoria. The only reason I'm considering the victoria is its a 58mm portafilter vs 57mm on the Anna. Price is good for anna too. Allowing me to buy a nice grinder . Do you recommend any good grinders?
@@jm7720 Eureka Perfetta will do
Love your choice of music
If you account for the 3+3 seconds of preinfusion, 38 seconds isn't too long even if it is somewhat on the longer side of the spectrum.
Lelit rules 😉😁👏🏻💪🏻
I own a Victoria for about 2 weeks, have had this problem happen 3x since using every day. While I am steaming for only about 25 seconds (to get a thicker microfoam), the pump will turn on to add water to the boiler every approximate 10-12 seconds (which I'm told this is perfectly normal)- then......the PID went back to my brewing temp. of 202° while steaming. Steaming is at 275°. I'm hoping there isn't something wrong with this unit.
Sorry just saw this comment yes it is perfectly ok. It is programmed to maintain adequate water inside boiler to avoid burn on heating element that will ruin your machine
Man you must have spent a lot of money to get that setup. The machine is like $1,500, then you have a grinder that is like $700. That's some serious cash for an espresso :) I am tossed between the ANNA 2 vs the Victoria. I want the 58mm and i like the preinfusion, and timer so i might go for the victoria.
I'm selling Lelit espresso machine, but yes out of my own pocket i buy and make video out of it. Lelit doesn't sponsor me hahaha....
@@StefanusGoana Ah your a seller. Well you are doing a great job with these videos. Very detailed.
@@xlifewritex In Germany, the machine is just around 760 €, which would be like $ 850 or so... As a grinder, you could always go with some of the great Eureka New Mignon models, the more advanced ones being around 370 € here. But maybe the German market is just lucky. We're pretty close to Italy, anyway. (Didn't check what William costs here.)
I love this machine. Makes great espresso. Still having huge issues with steaming though. Just can't get the silky texture no matter what I do... Now I'm wondering if maybe my temp is too low? I have it set to 260 F... Or maybe it just is technique... Though I'm following through like many videos, including yours, suggests. Ugh. Super frustrating. Lol
Hi Yaz Victoria is a little challenge but its not impossible. Iniect air in the beginning generously then dip your wand about half of your milk and wait till its hot. Good luck
I think it's because both water and steam are delivered through the wand instead if having separate hot water spout. When watch his demonstration you see even on steam the water never completely stops.
@@StefanusGoana Still working on it! Have good days, and some bad days... what do you think the best machine temp for steaming is on the Victoria? What variables are effected by changing the steaming temperature? Hope all is well.
@@ggivensjr It does use the same wand for both... I usually purge for a good 20 seconds before I start to steam... I don't see a lot of water when I purge the wand after 15 sec or so, but perhaps some is being mixed in when it's I'm actually steaming the milk.
@@yazr1712 Hi, Yaz. I am having the same problem; I can't seem to get a good silky texture no matter what I do. Were you ever able to get good milk texture out of this thing?
Question, why is the PID on the grace and Victoria only a “target temperature “ and not real-time temperature?
I’ve been reading this on many comments on UA-cam channels.
What is actually the difference between them and are there pros and cons?
They have real time PID on the Anna 2 for example
You can change it in LCC menu.
For my taste and logically thinking it was not long extraction. As different machines use different spec pumps and builds pressure within different times and especially with pre-infusion we could end up with totally different times etc. I know that within around 20-30 seconds we should get 2x-2.2x amount of extracted liquid/espresso. So from 16g of coffe - around 32 - 35,2 g of espresso). But what I found interesting is that Lelit Victoria is building pressure slowly in comparison to other machines and pressure is higher than 9 bars straight from factory. What does it means?
For first - higher pressure means liquid will be pushed through coffee with higher force =faster that with 9 bars. We can check this with plant spraying equipment - higher pressure more water comes out within same time.
For second we should not actually count extraction time from pressing button especially when got pre-infusion (but Lelit time will not count it anyway). And another thing is that it takes some time to build max pressure - for me even 3-4 seconds O_o. And sometimes after this working pressure is reached I need to wait 3-5 seconds to see first drop (with pre-infusion on) but when I start counting after first drop it goes normally so within 23-26 seconds I got 2x-2,2x extraction. With different coffee blend I got that I got first drop immediately when pressure is reached with same flow rate 23-26seconds 2x-2.2x extraction. So everything can vary here and to be on safe side I believe is to kind of play with times within one particular blend of coffee to get best results. write it down and use it all the time. And who cares its longer or shorter, if it taste supreme (if we can say this in terms of espresso anyway). I prefer to drink cortado or latte/cappuccino, but drink shots from time to time if in hurry... but always try a sip of extracted coffee and to check if its dialed in correctly to my particular taste. I'm still learning, but what I believe is most important for someone who bought machine to make coffee himself is to find his own perfect recipe for best tasting espresso that hits their favored flavor... and not to try to hit some other people timings etc. At least I believe so...
Hello Stefanus, nice and interesting video! I'm an owner of a Victoria, I was for some time thinking to buy the Mara X. But I make only espresso and I decided to get the Victoria. I updated with IMS filter baskets and the IMS shower screen, the espresso is very good. I'm using the original Lelit tamper 58.55mm, a leveller and I also use the trick from Sprometheus to put a piece of paper on top of the puck to avoid channelling. My Victoria tends to make 4 little holes in the puck, using the paper this will not happen. As you have the Mara X also, I'm wondering about your opinion. How much better is the espresso with the Mara X with the legendary E61 group head? Or are they close only considering espresso brewing?
Hi Hans, i guess this means your water flow to fast from grouphead and maybe your grind setting a little too coarse. What you can do is make finer grind setting and use pre infusion mode in Victoria.
If your local dealer can help you reduce water flow would be great.
In Victoria you have to make sure that your grouphead is really ready, i know LCC shows OK really fast but grouphead may not be ready. One way is to buy a strip temperature sticker. You can check my instagram: amateur_coffee_enthusiast to see the exact sticker i'm talking about
@@StefanusGoana Hello Stefanus, thank you a lot for the answer. The extraction time is between 25s and 30s for 30ml of espresso and preinfusion is active, but there are often this 4 holes, maybe they aren't normally going through the puck, it's then an uneven surface of the puck, but clearly the extraction is uneven then. The "holes" are located next to 4 of the 8 water exits from the shower. I read about this effect also from other users. I will check if using 30s or more reduces the effect. Thank you a lot for your suggestions. Br Hans
Paper on the puck? Do you have a video on that? IM not sure you need to use paper. This is a high end machine and if there is channeling, like Stefanus said, adjusting the grind or even working the tamper more should avoid channeling.
@@xlifewritex Hello, see this video from Sprometheus. In my case I have now consistent shots with a plan puck surface. I solved the issue I had and I tried a lot before. I will not go back. The Espresso is now excellent and constistent with no exceptions. Br Hans ua-cam.com/video/xxmkPVqvopM/v-deo.html
@@Bergkette Thanks. I took a look at the video. While the use of a filter can certainly lead to slowing down extraction, even shots, and stronger shots. I'm not sure for me it's worth messing around with. Look at the stats on that video. ---- 9.49 TDS with no filter. Then with filters whether below, both, top it was higher but not by much. Yes, it will be higher with a filter as a filter slows extraction which leads to slightly stronger coffee but is the AVERAGE Joe going to notice that tiny fraction? Also, now you have to factor filters into your pricing per shot, and time messing around with cutting them. I could understand using filters if the percentage was huge like 5.0 TDS with no filter and 10 TDS with a filter. But we are talking about a 0.40 difference with one filter or 0.50 difference with two filters (top and bottom). I don’t see the value in that nor do I think the average joe will even notice that. In my mind again, this is where using the pressure gauge and playing around with different GRIND settings can improve extraction. If the espresso is too weak, chances are the grind is too coarse and too much water is getting through too fast ( leading to channeling and weaker coffee). Adjust your grind, play around with tamping and you may not have to use a paper filter. Now having said that, maybe the victoria machine is causing channeling issues and the grind and tamping is fine. In which case filters would be useful. But it's a sad fix for an expensive machine that shouldn't require them. But each to their own method. Thanks for sharing that video.
Don't worry continue practice it will be perfect some day.
Dear Stefanos. I got Grace, Victoria little sister. My preferable basket is the 21 gr 57mm VIP as part of VIP bottomless. Does Victoria 58mm group provide significant advantage iver 57mm Grace?
Does 58mm group,
@@GriuGriu64 ho if yiu have watched Lance Hedrick video about filter basket you can draw conclusion that for him deeper basket gave him more consistance and better profile taste. So far i myself tried 54mm better than 58mm
@@StefanusGoana 👍yes I did watch.
Victoria & Grace are a perfect compromise for us who want basic automations, coffee shop environment at home, professional equipment maintenance support, but do not want to wait 30 minutes in the morning to warm up our machine.
Nice little machine, I really like the new Lelit espresso machines.
You wrote that you do not use a leveler anymore. Any explanation on that? Did you get better results with your distribution tool?
Additionally, where did you get the distributor and the beautiful tamper from?
Hi tamper and distribution tools cost me about $160. However i'm working on something cheaper, wait till the end of this month you can purchase from our website.
Better result maybe subjective however it certainly alot easier, faster and i can skip leveler, it is obvious that it is already flat evenly
@@StefanusGoana That is great news. The ones I found were just too expensive for a piece of metal with a few needles attached to it.
Do you offer shipping to europe?
Yes we can arrange that. i think simply by post it should be save and cheaper
Hi stefanus, I watched your other lelit videos too and decided to buy Victoria 91T. Thank you. But I can’t up the pressure so I cant brew real espresso. My espresso is always has too much water. Whats your suggestion? 🙋🏻♀️
Lets check if the machine or others.
Check brewing with blind basket in your portafilter, if pressure can go up to 10 bar then machine is good.
If machine is good then you have to grinder finer
hi, thank you for the video. I want to ask about the bar pressure. I came across numerous articles in many forums that the pressure should be reduced to 9 bar. Do you think this is really necessary? Is it worth trying to lower the pressure
Hi Eren, it is so easy to reduce its pressure. Seriously one of these days i will make a video about that. Super easy and so i think its worth to try
@@StefanusGoana I'm curious if you've made that video? :) I'm interested in getting one of these machines and I too have heard that lowering the opv achieves much better results.
@@jadesierra7691 hi sorry i have not because the machine was sent to few youtubers to test it and it never came back to me
@@jadesierra7691 Just search there is a guide for both Anna and Victoria. Same on Grace and Vic, takes a bit more work than on Anna, since the OPV is kinda hidden.
+10!!!
Thanks for sharing your experience with the machine Stefanus! Just curious if Victoria runs at 9 bar pressure during the extraction?
It comes with about 10-12 bars, but you can always change it, not the easiest thing on earth but doable by any home barista
Cool! And i did came across of Clive Coffee's manual on doing the OPV adjustment: support.clivecoffee.com/en/lelit-victoria-adjusting-pump-pressure-opv
TBH sounds like a good video material since I don't see anyone make one on YT yet! ;)
I'm between the Grace and the Vic, but I'd love 58 mm. Just a steep price for that one extra feature. Is the OPV set to 11 bar, same as Grace? Edit: sweet bluesy guitar :)
I think pump pressure can always be adjusted so not too worry. 58mm atleast next upgrade machine will not be bigger than 58mm LOL
You can always re use your accessories such as bottomless portafilter, Filter basket (VST, EMS,etc) Portafilter holder or hanger, etc al of them you can still use so think of the future benefit instead of buying everything new again
@@StefanusGoana Yeah I feel like with 57 mm I'd just get the Anna PID save a lot of money and then keep wondering if VST was better. Think I'll keep using my current grinder for a month or two, get the more expensive machine and then when I get a good grinder I'll know why people insist on them haha... and yes I know it's adjustable. In the Anna you can take the top off, Grace and Vic need a bit more work to access the OPV. If I ever make a lot of money I will start a coffee machine company, similar to Lelit but all machines 58 mm and set to 9 bar with an adjustable OPV including instructions. :)
Hi! I see that you have pressure about 12. Mine achive more or less 9 and when I try to get more coffee is dripping veeery slowly. Did you change anything in your coffee machine? How to achivie pressure like yours?
Hi 9 is actually the correct pressure. I think from the factory they did not care so much. If you received yours already at 9 bar then that is awesome. 12 bar too high you can read on google about ideal espresso pressure
would you consider this a good upgrade from the sage bambino? i found a used victoria for 500€ and am considering getting it.
Haha yes for sure, you get 58mm grouphead plenty to play with
lots of used victoria's to find, because steaming is useless (far to much water)
Looks like lots if water continues to come out steam wand. Is that because water and steam both come out of the steam wand?
yes they are unfortunately
The timer is simply missing on mine. Can it be an older model or? Firmare version is 1.14c
Send it back for warranty claim
@@StefanusGoana Thanks. Before I do that, do you know if firmware version 1.14c is latest or an older one?
@@DanielSummr sorry i have no idea about this
Can you tell me if the water reservoir is very hard to get out? I read a review where the person said it was a super tight fit, hard to remove & cut themself with all the sharp metal around it. Also, I'm confused, never had a PID on a machine. They say for medium to medium dark roasts--one should put the temp to 198° to 200°. I'm confused I thought you said the brew temps goes to 95° Thanks for the help.
Hi its not really that tight and i don't understand why anyone would get cut just to remove it.
Temperature 95 Celcius equals to 203 Fahrenheit. So you must have heard Fahrenheit isntead of celcius
@@StefanusGoana Thank you! Yeah, that was probably it--203F makes more sense, so it appears the PID reads in celsius & not Fahrenheit? Makes me feel better that the tank isn't that tight.
@@lindajardee Lelit let you choose between C or F whichever you are familiar with. You can adjust this in the LCC
How do you feel about Victoria compared to Elisabeth or Mara X regarding the quality of the shot? I know Elisabeth is dual boiler but I do not need it for 2-3 coffees every day so I was looking at the Victoria also because it seems to have a shorter heating time compared to Mara X which is also single boiler but 1.8L. What do you think about the differences between these 3?
If you really tight on budget then Victoria more than enough. But if you have the money, no matter what the feeling is different. The whole experience of making coffer is alot more fun to do with MaraX or Elizabeth. warming up time you can always use smart plug.
Using Victoria down the road you will want to upgrade then should go to Bianca, your upgrade will be very satisfiying.
@@StefanusGoana budget is not an issue but still don't want to spend more than its needed. I now have a Gaggia Clasic Pro and I am not happy as I cannot dial in the grind. I use quite fine grind because I use light roast coffee and the Gaggia will boy work with that. I don't enjoy the experience of the Mara or the lever action, I honestly prefer the simple button activation so looking only at the performance not the experience difference between the two.
@@muresansergiubohdan i don't think therr is anytjing wrong with your Gaggia. May i know what is your grinder?
@@StefanusGoana I use the Eureka Mignon.
@@muresansergiubohdan you have a decent equipment. Perhaps need to upgrade your skill first.
Wats videos about how to dial in and avoid sourness in espress. You make think you need to go finer but infact finer create channeling and therefore underextracted and becomes sour. For medium roast you can increase your dose and pull a longer shot it may increase the extraction and long enough to squeeze all the juice perfectly.
How many grams did you put in the portafilter? I'm debating between this machine and the ECM CASA V, but it seems the Lelit is better. They both cost the same.
18g because i used double filter basket. Do not hesitate to be part of LELIT's big family
@@StefanusGoana just ordered today! I'm so excited. I have been extremely depressed due to my disabilities and other things, but now I will have a hobby that I can actually do. Thanks for responding. I love watching espresso. And of course tasting.
@@dystoniaify happy for you too 👏👏👏
I have a Gaggia Classic & notice when you purge the water out of the steam tube with the Victoria, the water seems to take a long time to come out before turning to just steam. With my Classic, I only have to purge for a couple seconds before it turns to steam. Am I imagining it taking a long time with the Victoria?
i am going to guess its because the Gaggia has a smaller boiler than the Victoria so it heats up faster.
@@KimMoonbmwmoonie Time will tell. I will have this new Victoria tomorrow. I wish I would have watched your video closer before ordering--as it seemed like it took forever for the water to be purged out of the steam tube. My Gaggia (despite the downfalls) would take about 2 seconds to purge water out of the tube. Then it was ALL steam. I think by watching your video--it eventually turned to all steam? At least I hope it does because if it doesn't, then it is adding water into the milk....which then adds water ultimately into the espresso which is a watered down yuck. Thanks.
I am coming from a gaggia classic and want to upgrade to lelit, would the Anna 2 be suitable upgrade? I don’t know which is their entry level (above the features of the gaggia classic)? Is the Victoria above the Anna 2 in performance? Sorry for stupid questions
Hi Aziz, there no stupid question. For upgrade i think depends on your budget. For Anna 2 i don't really see much upgrade and it is 57mm grouphead, could be a little down grade hahaha... but anna comes with additional pressure gauge.
Victoria is a big upgrade with all the features and more powerful steam, however still single boiler you have switch and wait between coffee brewing and steaming.
If you can stretch your budget a little more then go for MaraX or Elizabeth for maximum comfort and speed in preparing coffee.
@@StefanusGoana Thanks for you answer, the upgrade for me would be that the anna 2 has a PID so I don't have to guess the temperature. Also I don't mind waiting for changing between shots and steam, when the routine is there it is ok :) . I mostly drink myself but occasionally my wife wants a latte... From what I have read is that the 57mm is not a standard and that it is harder to find parts for it. But those who have that in mind also think ahead a couple of years and think of upgrading later on... meaning they think of it being harder to sell the portafilter etc since it not being a standard... but for me I won't be upgrading. I just want a solid machine that will last and is consistent with the shots and steam.
one more reason why I want to change machine is the aluminium boiler in the gaggia due to risk of health reasons...again.. maybe silly but this is not something I constantly want to think of when enjoying my coffee
@@AzizIzgin Glad you have the right way if thinking. With anna 2 you will be super happy every morning, cheers..
Hi can u make espresso and steam at the same time or u have to get done making espresso then steam?
This is a single boiler machine so you can't brew and froth and the same time.
HX like MaraX PL62X
and double boiler PL92T and PL162T will do the job
Sorry i meant you cannot
@@StefanusGoana i see sir ok thank u for the response.. i guess when i have money ill just get the mara X.. appreciate ur reply
Hi
I have now gone from thinking about buying the Anna 2 to the grace and now to the Victoria 😂😂
Question, there are so many reviews and videos of these machines, which is the most recent version of the Victoria, and is it still good single boiler machine? If you would chose again today between other machines, would still choose this machine?
I just bought the specialita online and am waiting for it to arrive:) maybe I was too much in a hurry... I already own a pl043 lelit grinder. I could have tried with the one I have before I went off buying another expensive grinder ...
Aziz go for Victoria then because it is 58mm most of your accessories can be used again in the future when you make another upgrade
@@StefanusGoana Are there different versions of the Victoria?
@@AzizIzgin for now the one i have is the latest version. if you want you can upgrade with silent pump
@@StefanusGoana @azizizgin, was going through these post again as I agonize about what machine to buy. I have asked clivecoffee.com and 1stlineequipment.com about upgrading the Victoria to the Elizabeth version 3 vibratory pump and they both refused. Clivecoffee.com said they don't do 3rd party modifications (AKA mods). I wrote back and asked what they meant because it's not a 3rd party upgrade. The pump is made by Lelit so what's the issue? I told them of course I'd pay for the pump and the labor to do it. 1stlineequipment.com didn't even bother to give an excuse. Can you believe it? I'm talking with a vendor closer to where I live now who doesn't carry Lelit about whether they can maybe get one for me. @stefanusgoana would your shop do a pump upgrade? Unfortunately you are to far from me to pay for shipping.
@@ggivensjr Hi just buy a silent vibration pump from them then fix it yourself. It is not that complicated to do on your own
Hi, great work, I have Lelit Grace, 81 T , that is basicly identical to 91T, i have a problem with PL72 grinder, I can't find the ideal position to grind the coffee, or it is very fine, or it is very coarse, can you help me with this issue, many thanx :).
Hi for PL72 i normally increase or reduce 1gr of my coffee dose.
@@StefanusGoana So I need a scale?, (do you use 18gr/ one coffee) i see that your grinder is set to 4. One more question, can you tell me, if you can what's the name of the portafilter distibuitor. Thank you :)
@@alinleonard9544 Yes a scale is for sure. Forget about my grinder setting because yours is definitely different from mine even if you use the same brand and model. It is a 3D printer basically for distributing coffee ground evenly
@@StefanusGoana Thank you., i research on internet/you tube how to adjust a grinder PL72, but,, but I ruined a lot of coffee beans :) )
Can the Victoria do programmable shots?
Sorry it can't
Great video! So the portafilters for Mara and Victoria are interchangeable?
Yes they are interchangeable. I would suggest you go directly to MaraX. Only slightly more expensive than Victoria
Oh really? What would be the main advantages? I'm a beginner and the machine would only really be for me, a few drinks a day (mainly milk based drinks)
@@jadesierra7691 MaraX is heat Exchanger machine you can brew and steam coffee at the same time and you won't feel like upgrading anytime soon
@Ning Luo hahaha... check my comparison video and decide based on your preference. both capable of making good espresso
Hi, so how did you fix the rattling tray? Just put some small rubber pucks underneath the grid?
Hi i did not try to fix the rattling tray, there is already small rubber placed from factory. I think source of the problem is the vibration pump
@@StefanusGoana Hmm, I guess it would be the vibration of the pump in combination with the relative light weight of the tray and the grid, then.
My old Rancilio Silvia, like most home machines, has a vibration pump, too.
But the Silvia has a heavy build in comparison with little Vicky here, weighhing about 14 kg. It's noisy as well, but the tray doesn't rattle.
To be clear: Did Lelit just put rubber underneath the tray, or did they put bits of thin rubber tubing on the grid, too, where it rests on the tray? This might help additionally.
It's a bit like with stereo speakers, I guess: They'll rattle if you put them on a sideboard without rubber pucks between sideboard and speaker, even if the feet of the sideboard are buffered.
I think in some forum or review, somebody mentioned adding rubber tubing to the grid, fixing the problem.
I guess an additional simple fix might be just to put something heavy (or just your hand) on the grid when starting the pump.
I heard of some users complaining about the general level of noise Vicky makes. Some of the more tech savvy among them suggested or tried adding a pulsor to the pump, like the Mara X has. The Mara is a really silent machine, friends of mine own it and I was baffled that it doesn't even disturb a conversation while it's running!
Then, I think some people mentioned that there isn't really enough space in the Victoria to fit the pulsor, or the pump is too hard to access to actually fit it, or something like that.
I guess I wouldn't go that far, anyway, and rather just put a hand against the side of the machine while it's running...
@@negligiblethreat Actually we can upgrade with silent pump that is in MaraX. Silvia is pretty long in the market so i guess they had upgrade based on user experience. This Vicky comes with great LCC that us just amazing
@@StefanusGoana Thanks for the info!
I live in Germany, so I might check whether the upgrade option exists here. I guess so, as some licensed German Lelit re-sellers offer service on a Lelit, and replacement of parts like the pump should be easy for them. The LCC would be exactly be the thing motivating me to replace my trusty old Silvia with smart little Vicky.
My Silvia is a V1, so: No pump upgrade in there, definitely. And it IS a really noisy machine, but the heavy build keeps the tray from rattling.
You're actually the only seller I know of who's honest enough to even mention the rattling tray or noise issues in his video. Much respect for that!
Is there a way to change the shot timer to count up (like the Elizabeth)?
I'm afraid not, but new version coming is doing that :)
@@StefanusGoana New version? That sounds exciting and worth the wait :-)
@@Yirgamalabar check with your local re seller they should have the new upgraded version
Bonjour, quelle est la référence du verre et la balance ? Merci
Hi glass: Kruve
Scale: Felicita Arc
great video bang Stef... btw, what is the title of the blues song you use? :)
Hahaha guitar is also my hobby. I recorded the guitar myself and make the arrangement myself
@@StefanusGoana wow keren bang.. it sounds like gibson les paul?
Thanks for your Videos, are really helpfull.
May I ask why your Bars are 12?
Hi its from the manufacture i did not change it. I guess manufacture should do it properly before they send out isn't it?
Your group head pressure is too high at approximately 12+bars.
Yes thank you, you are correct. Gotta adjust it
could you make a traditional cappuccino? King regards
I'm pretty sure we can, but just to be sure what is your definition of traditional cappuccino?
@@StefanusGoana Good question, with foam over espresso.
@@StefanusGoana ua-cam.com/video/Xzs9YlvtyhM/v-deo.html
I'm following Sprometheus as well, he is good. Victoria certainly can do a normal cappuccino, you just have to incorporate more air in the begining, you can do this buy lowering your pither and hear to a more bubbly sound.
Can Steam n brew together?😅
Sayangnya tidak bisa Bang Hendra. Karena ini single boiler tanpa HX technology.
Bila mau yg bisa steam sekaligus bisa lihat MaraX, Elizabeth dan Bianca
@@StefanusGoana makasih suhu 🙏
It is loud and rattles.
Featurenya kok kayak lebih bagus dari lelit marax ya bang?
LCC but this is single boiler. MaraX is HX can brew and steam milk at the same time. Also much bigger boiler size produce better steam power under a cool touch wand. Stainless steel boiler juga lebih mahal dari brass/copper
@@StefanusGoana cuma lelit victoria sudah ada pid nya ya Bang, kalau marax hanya 3 opsi saja. Utk value for money sdh oke banget yah? Portafilter sama2 std e61 kan ya?
@@anasdwi yes portafilternya compatible.
@@StefanusGoana kenapa di beberapa review dibilang pilih marax krn mesin e61 ya? Bukannya victoria juga e61?
@@anasdwi waduh Om Victoria bukan E61. Victoria pake grouphead buatan lelit sendiri
FAR to much water at steaming. Unfortunately I discovered that after purchasing it :-(. Actual completely useless.
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