Dreda is so vague with her arguments. She just labels Will Self as 'angry' and 'we need to move on and come together'. She didn't clarify once in this interview why she voted to leave.
***** She appeared on quite a few debates during the referendum; question time and other shows, not just on channel 4. I'm trying to figure out why as I've never heard of her before, and although her intensions are good, her knowledge of politics seems limited.
@@MontyCantsin5 Boris Johnson is a remarkable and admirable person. He got the UK out of the EU when *all the conniving, snivelling ant anti brexiters in Parliament were doing **_everything they could_** to obfuscate, lie, plot, scheme, all to be the fifth column they really are.* Boris Johnson is head and shoulders above the lot of the self righteous swindlers.
@@MontyCantsin5 To each, his own. Monty. You have one opinion. I have another. Nothing you say is a source of amusement, to me. It strikes me as condescending, self righteous, pompous, ignorant and on the whole, something that *I did not seek for.* But, you've seen fit to bleat out your views, so there we are.
And then what... what after they fuck off? What you going to do, lead yourself? Do trade deals with your next door neighbour? Form your own police force? Create your own taxation system? Monetary system? Benefits?
Well it's nearly three years on from this and I am very glad that the people and political parties of Britain did set aside their differences in the end and came together to make Brexit the resounding success it has been...
I love Will Self: Look, what's that? Is it a bird, is a plane... no, it's Borris Johnson come to deliver you social democracy and a more equal society 😂 😂 😂 😂
She has no answers whatsoever. She's totally exposed and encapsulates perfectly the total vacuousness of Brexit. No one has the first clue what to do now.
Oh FFSK...I thought Will Self was dead....Not seeing him or having him on TV shows since he demanded double appearance fee's on HIGNFY ( he got told to fuck off ) and then seemingly disappear from our screens, lulled me into a false sense of security by having me think he had died and we were free of his bullshit left wing bile , while he was living life as a millionaire.
I couldn't agree more, and was saying as much during the referendum in many places. The working class got off their backsides and voted overwhelmingly for Brexit.
It'd be nice if Dreda could focus on the substance of what Will is saying rather than constantly harping on about the way in which he is saying it. Not to mention cynically pulling the gender card towards the end.
To be fair she's only doing what socialists do constantly,, and if you have a problem with her being like that then you should have a bigger problem with Self, he constantly told her that she had a lot of people feeling upset and sad because of the way she voted, not that I think you'd notice that..
I think he's angry because he is face-to-face with the kind of stupidity that lost the UK $350bn in 8 hours after the vote ended today - more than we contributed to the EU budget over the last fifteen years, including the rebate. (See Tweet by Guy Verhofstadt, former Belgian PM).
Not personally mine, obviously, but national wealth with the potential to build, say, lots of new NHS hospitals (although we should soon be getting a new one every week from EU contributions savings according to the Leave flier that came through my door).
Thanks Margo. It's not that difficult, is it? I fear, however, that this time we ALL lose (with the exception of the next wave of Tory leaders and others insulated by their extraordinary wealth and power).
No it's not. He was using his size, looming over her, jabbing his finger in her face, and continually interrupting her. I was surprised he didn't come right out and tell her she had to vote Remain because she's black. I think she did very well to get her point across in the face of his provocation.
We are now 7 years on and Brexit has been an abject failure, in fact a disaster. £100bn a year lost, including £40bn a year in lost taxes, so record taxes and peace time borrowing to fill the gap. Also, lost rights to travel, settle, work. Extra costs on trade, travel and communications, making some unviable. Musicians and artists catastrophically ruined.
I think you'll find it is the remainers who are the problem. There was a free vote and the public made their decision and yet remainers seem to be rejecting democracy. They have done everything possible to block votes, even taking it to the courts despite there being a very long held tradition of separating the judiciary from the government. The supreme court ruling has caused a crisis within our system which we will see affecting the UK for many years to come and remainers have the audacity to claim Brexit is going to cause harm? Just wait until Labour get back into power, any decision they make could be taken to court because the precedent has been created which will prevent judges from automatically dismissing cases against the government of the day. Remainers have the mindset of a tyrant and the attitude of spoiled children.
@@laughingachilles When you lie to the public, and the public votes based on those lies, that is the opposite of democracy. You ended up with a completely lawless government that wanted to withdraw from the European Court of Human Rights, ban democratic protesting and create unlawful policies just to adhere to their racist base. I hope four years have given you some perspective on the economic damage according to every objective study including by the last government's own investigation, which supported Brexit. Specifically what benefits has Brexit provided you? What have been the economic benefits? What tangible improvements have occurred as a result of voting to leave the EU? Has it helped immigration which is substantially higher since withdrawing from the EU, and because many Europeans left, the gap in skills was filled with those from countries outside of Europe. Everything that has come to pass, you were warned about. If you still believe in Brexit that's fine, but try not to deny reality. At least have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that it has been a failure.
@@laughingachilles Ugh! When you lie to the public and the public votes based on those lies, that does not a democracy make. Name a single economic benefit from Brexit?
@@desoliver9712 If you believe the only important thing is the economic benefits then you won't ever understand why some of us voted for Brexit. Sovereignty is a key aspect but only patriots appreciate such a thing.
@@laughingachilles The white paper which triggered article 40 stated very clearly that the UK was a sovereign nation. Legally and constitutionally the UK was always sovereign, and that's a fact. I find it a very odd argument to make given that the UK has an entirely unelected second parliament, unlike the EU which is comprised of elected MEPs. "Patriotism" and nationalist gumph is such an antiquated idea-feelings and pride with no substance. If you cared about the country then you'd act like an adult and consider aspects that actually matter such as the financial health of the country and those people living on the breadline impacted by rising food costs. A real "patriot" would be concerned about making the country better not destroying it.
labour luvvies keep missing the point. British people are concerned about mass immigration that's why they voted leave and that's why they won't vote labour under the current leadership.
Some Labour Voters want Brexit but not the majority. The split was 70% Remain and 30% Leave for Labour Voters. Labour has not lost voters to the Tories or UKIP/Brexit Party but to the LibDems & Greens. The Tories have lost voters to UKIP/Brexit Party. The irony of what you have said is that Corbyn is a life-long Eurosceptic who has campaigned against the EEC and then the EU and since the referendum has campaigned to be out of the Single Market, which of course would prevent Free Movement of People from the EU.
It's all good saying this referendum was about unhappy people who felt forgotten by westminster wanting to make their voices heard - but you already have an opportunity like that within this democracy - it's called a general election. the EU had little or nothing to do with austerity that was implemented in britain after the banking crisis.
Are you so deluded to think that the contemporary presence of POC and Black people is/was dependant on white people being civilised? Are YOU So racist to think that Black people and POC should take into consideration the views of white people who seemingly do not give one HOT DAMN about white poverty and use white poverty in order to separate the Working Class by RACE? What is it about yourself that you think you have so much to give that a person like me ( black) would hold your hand just because you claim not to be UKIP or a "Firster"? You vain white liberals need to chaco your privilege. And maybe to get "our" trust, you had better show as much genuine compassion to the poor of your own than to "those poor over there" that you hardly mix with anyway. If you had a brain, you would realise that those who are witness to white poverty are usually the same POC that White Liberals dump in the poorer areas (historically and contemporarily). Then you lot have the audacity to deny that POC are usually overwhelmingly working class or poor in the West ( the bastion of liberalism) by erasing us when it comes to talking about the Working Class. And fuck off with the |because overt racists vote for Leave, it means that no POC should vote Leave" rhetoric. That in itself shows that you are a racist who denies the inter sectionalism of both the White working class and Black/POC in general.......ie, you are not the liberal that your ego has lead you to believe. You are as racist, if not more than the average UKIPPER, because you have decided to deny the full humanity of a black woman and the poor of your won race in order to make yourself feel superior. If you were a Ukipper then I would say "fair enough". But you aren't so , in fact , YOU are Will Self and all you deluded white liberals who think as basically as you do. Head's up, honey. If you have nothing to give to "the cause", just own your basic self like millions of people around the world have to do every day without being sneering and racist and superior. There is nothing wrong with being a white person who just goes with the flow. Rather that than an earnest do nothing who needs "the other" to hide their shallowness behind. Leave the harder stuff to others, eh? Effete, fey, anti community, monocultural, anti"edge", too middle class, too establishment, anti wisdom, ageist, anti get anything edifying done, anti intelligence (over educated) and conservative is what the Modern Liberal Movement has become. And to take it to the bridge, we now have "the progressives" who are the most conservative and seemingly sex starved ( if one is swerving, one hasn't time for all those inarticulate tantrums that seems to be the MO of too many of THAT lot) movements ( at least in the way that progressives manifest themselves and the argument stifling tactics that they use) seen in my lifetime. So fuck off with your stereotyping of how black people should be and act in order for your white so called liberal self to feel better for your views of life and how you hold them. Pick you own fucking cotton, you drip! Or better still, go and do some good works on behalf of the white poor that your kind like to keep poor, so that anti white anger from POC will be directed at them. The better to hide racism and the "othering" disposition of the white middle class liberal behind. If you don't like white poor, how you gonna like POC, most of whom are poor or working class ( and that is WORLDWIDE )? Or is it that we poor POC have, perhaps a "vibrant" culture that is quite moneymaking and that you can carpet bag behind whilst denying to yourselves that poor whites have a culture because it isn't as commercial ijnhe uk as it was in the Sixties? No wonder David Bowie left up from the UK. Poor him , if he stayed here and the hypocritical liberals got a hold of him. Better to go to America where, at least, the average person finds it harder to hold in their hypocrisy and ALL dynamics, including "liberal Racism"are talked about amongst ALL and out the side of their necks. The average Liberal in the UK doesn't like it upland at them. Maybe that is why the white woking class hasn't been allowed to gain any shine since the sixties....the poor sods only went and made Britain Cool and did the whole social mobility thing too bloody well. And therein lies another well of fear for the over promoted middle class liberal.......he/she secretly knows that they cannot let the white working class "out" because then, too many POC working class will follow and thus the mediocrity and blandishment of middle class white liberals will be seen, in all its flagrance. Any industry that they rule, especially "the Arts" become dull .
This couldn’t be a more accurate look into the future. Two years later here we are. A country riven by dissent and rudderless. Dreda who, like others of her persuasion, handed the country off to a Tory party shattered by civil war, is nowhere to be seen on the topic. Especially after Windrush showed her the type of people that she consigned the fates of the millions of European immigrants. What strikes me here is her intense naïveté and lack of knowledge of the structures that she thought wise to campaign to crash. But here we are, and there is nothing that can be done on the topic anymore.
She probably couldn't be bothered to look up "Geopolitics" in a dictionary.. Vote leave were never the type to research anything, unless vote leave published it, were they?
Will may well have been angry, but he was incredibly obnoxious here. If you're at the point you're ready to punch someone, maybe you go and walk it off instead of agreeing to go on TV.
'Tribal' Labour ... 'they're not the people you think they are'. Oh, so that'd be the people the Labour party was set up to represent then? The people we're told are losing their jobs to Poles because they're 'lazy'? People who, just like the 'Eastern Europeans' who Self is so concerned for, also need to make a living in the face of globalising big business. All Europe means to the poor and unskilled is greater competition for that level of work - the 'right' to move to Poland in return feels like a pretty unfair exchange to a whole swathe of U.K society - and it's a consequence of a bargain they never made anyway. I'm willing to bet that the white working class is just about the only social group who Self would so confidently and unashamedly speak about in these terms. Self's arrogant, ignorant, self-righteous prejudice shines through (as does Jon Snow's bias). Well done to Dreda Mitchell; articulate, strong, brave in the face of his hectoring, inarticulate bigotry.
Self is a hypocrite i've lost all respect for him. He rants on about ''what about the people who feel their lives are shattered'' completely disregarding the fact that fifty percent of the nation were feeling exactly that, which is why the nation has virtually been split in two. As usual through lies and scaremongering the powers that be have us fighting among ourselves to deflect the blame when in fact its been both Labour and Conservatives that have caused this mess.
Cross-party, we all have to work together?? When has that ever happened. Anyone who thinks that the vote to leave the EU will give working people more say, more rights or more of anything at all is very badly mistaken. This was the wrong vehicle for 'rebelling' against the establishment.
Will Self offered political issues that need to be considered, with consideration for the country and the people who make up the country Dreda Mitchell offered abstract concepts of no substance, taping into people's most powerful way of thinking, their emotional side.
He desperately wanted to call her racist. Yoy could see him thinking... "If only they'd invited someone white on so I could end the debate with one word...racist!!!!"
I'm not British and I don't know anything about what factions within the Labour party these two represent, but Will Self doesn't come across as having much of a point. Is he really accusing Dreda Say Mitchell of being a Boris Johnson supporter? Or is he just bitter? Mitchell is talking about what comes next for Labour, and Self is basically saying he isn't ready to do that yet. People's lives have been shattered, dammit, how can you be so insensitive, why don't you all go vote for Boris Johnson if you love him so much, etc.
Thanks handsome. Of course mass immigration, terrorist attacks, failing banks, failing countries and mass unemployment are all signs of a working union. Sorry Schlossar its a sinking ship..
He's mad. Funny how he moves the argument over to boris. It will be Boris who in 5 years and we will still be out of Europe. I doubt if we will be the last either Europe has to double down or fail now.
Never heard of this woman. Not intending to read her books. She won - but she does not feel triumphant or victorious. Sounds a pretty hollow victory then doesn't it?
Will Self is acting like a petulant child. Another one who hates democracy when it doesn't go his way. The referendum wasn't about Gove or Boris, I loathe them both and the political cloth they're cut from. It was about people outside of London, which despite his protestations Self doesn't understand, seeing no positives, only negatives from our membership of the EU. Where are the likes of Self championing the English fisherman, the Steel Workers in the North, the car workers in the Midlands - he doesn't really care, London doesn't care and Brussels's doesn't care - and that's why Remain emphatically lost.
@@samtorr3947 on 9 June 2015, MPs voted by 544 to 53 in favour of the principle of holding a referendum with only the Scottish National Party opposing the Bill. Labour and Lib Dems voted for it...
The problem with Self is that he's full of his own importance. He gets wheeled out so often for his views that he's convinced himself he's got the answers.
Well, is he wrong? Dedra claimed that the referendum would make the politicians pay attention to those who feel they've been neglected. It's been three years, has that happened? And were the issues with the constitutional northern Irish border a major part of the crisis as Self suggests? Given that the DUP were given 1 billion pounds in order to prop up support for May's deal?
Still no reply to the comment above.. Says it all really doesn't it? The British were led off a cliff and everyone else is laughing at them, while they claim they are doing brilliantly, as we all see them falling through the air, towards the ground. Such is life... 😂
I disagree we don't want politicians to come together that idea is why we had so much apathy over the years. I won't to see these politicians hashing it out on subjects which are relative to all of us in the UK.
What's with Will Self, why cant he respect people's will to change the status quo. I am not even British nor live there, but why should a vote basically against free movement of people be such a disaster. Its the norm in the majority of the planet.
I think she's perfectly well educated, but it's very difficult to get your point across with someone looming over you, invading your space, waving their arms in your face, and continually interrupting you.
The problem here is that Will is making sense in an intelligent way with credible points & Dreda along with many foolish leave supporters can't understand his intellect.
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"what's that up there? is it a bird, is it a plane? no, it's Boris Johnson, come to deliver you social democracy and a more equal society"
If you believe that you believe anything.Boris and cohords to the path of destruction.Reminds me of a song eve of destruction>)
Haha good one,that made me laugh 😂
#salty
well said.
And how right he was!
Will Self called it 3 years ago. This is brilliant.
Will Self: It's to do with geopolitics.
Dreda: I don't know what that means.
Welcome to the Brexit sir.
Will is so much his own man and not in anyone's pocket
Never loved Will Self more.
Dreda is so vague with her arguments. She just labels Will Self as 'angry' and 'we need to move on and come together'. She didn't clarify once in this interview why she voted to leave.
***** She appeared on quite a few debates during the referendum; question time and other shows, not just on channel 4. I'm trying to figure out why as I've never heard of her before, and although her intensions are good, her knowledge of politics seems limited.
Will Self spot on here
Ahahahahhahahaa
@@pandaview2673Still laughing? A country down the toilet and everyone else using it as an example of stupidity.
Well done 😂
Will Self is spot on. Boris Johnson flying in to deliver social democracy - what a joke.
He's a berk.
@@Lucid.dreamer: Johnson is much, much worse than that.
@@MontyCantsin5
Boris Johnson is a remarkable and admirable person.
He got the UK out of the EU when *all the conniving, snivelling ant anti brexiters in Parliament were doing **_everything they could_** to obfuscate, lie, plot, scheme, all to be the fifth column they really are.*
Boris Johnson is head and shoulders above the lot of the self righteous swindlers.
@@Lucid.dreamer 'Boris Johnson is a remarkable and admirable person.'
Thanks for the laugh. Daftest thing I've heard in a long time. 🤣
@@MontyCantsin5
To each, his own. Monty.
You have one opinion.
I have another.
Nothing you say is a source of amusement, to me.
It strikes me as condescending, self righteous, pompous, ignorant and on the whole, something that *I did not seek for.*
But, you've seen fit to bleat out your views, so there we are.
Fun watching these Brexit videos years after the fact. We can see who was right and who was wrong pretty clearly 5 years on.
Yep, the remainers
Will Self is too intelligent for this
Shit man, "all the political parties to come together to get the best deal for us from Europe as we leave"... and I thought I was naive????
No chance
And then what... what after they fuck off? What you going to do, lead yourself? Do trade deals with your next door neighbour? Form your own police force? Create your own taxation system? Monetary system? Benefits?
How long will it be before you tell them to fuck off too?
MrMorethanexist Are you insinuating that I should return to the UK?
Ok. I'll try and get back in touch with the Germanic tribe I originate from. Is that what you mean?
Well it's nearly three years on from this and I am very glad that the people and political parties of Britain did set aside their differences in the end and came together to make Brexit the resounding success it has been...
😂😂
The anti brexiters still don't accept OUR verdict.
It has been a spectacular success. Obviously. Resoundingly.
Still salty huh
@@misc_channel Still in denial huh?
'Our voices haven't been heard, so lets make things worse… for everyone'.
I love Will Self:
Look, what's that? Is it a bird, is a plane... no, it's Borris Johnson come to deliver you social democracy and a more equal society
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@@ineshowell6315 he was, literally, right though
@@ineshowell6315 don't cry gammon, you won remember
He did though
@@JeanClaudeRocksIf social democracy is banning protest..
She has no answers whatsoever. She's totally exposed and encapsulates perfectly the total vacuousness of Brexit. No one has the first clue what to do now.
Will Self is a boss.
boss of losers
I usually like him.. not on this issue though.
Replace B with T
Same unfortunately :/
He's a lefty cosmopolitan, multi-cult type, yes? Well he's an artist, a novelist. They're not always sensible.
Will Self - brilliant mind! amazing interview... such a shame people don't see it from his perspective ... he says it how it is!!!
Oh FFSK...I thought Will Self was dead....Not seeing him or having him on TV shows since he demanded double appearance fee's on HIGNFY ( he got told to fuck off ) and then seemingly disappear from our screens, lulled me into a false sense of security by having me think he had died and we were free of his bullshit left wing bile , while he was living life as a millionaire.
Will Self was right. His tone might upset you, but he was right
We of the Left didn't listen, we.better start now.
Amazingly clever comeback
you should start by listening to tony benn's view of the eu
I couldn't agree more, and was saying as much during the referendum in many places. The working class got off their backsides and voted overwhelmingly for Brexit.
Wow first lefty comment with any humility this century! I congratulate you sir!
Ive argued with you before, indeed the left didn't listen.
Hopefully we will see a balance in the force and not a new darth vader.
Thank you Will Self!!
It'd be nice if Dreda could focus on the substance of what Will is saying rather than constantly harping on about the way in which he is saying it. Not to mention cynically pulling the gender card towards the end.
To be fair she's only doing what socialists do constantly,, and if you have a problem with her being like that then you should have a bigger problem with Self, he constantly told her that she had a lot of people feeling upset and sad because of the way she voted, not that I think you'd notice that..
He's a remoaner.
That's his "substance".
The thing is, he lost. That's why he's so damn ANGRY.
@@Lucid.dreamerThere was only one person getting animated here and it was the one who said she doesn't know what "geopolitics" is. 😂😂
@@alfsmith4936
She was on the receiving end of Will Self's pure, vitriolic, seething *hatred* and saw no point in engaging him on *his ANGRY terms.*
@@alfsmith4936
And *as USUAL for remoaners,* Will Self belched out his *Scotland will go now* twaddle and HE was WRONG and SHE was RIGHT.
I think he's angry because he is face-to-face with the kind of stupidity that lost the UK $350bn in 8 hours after the vote ended today - more than we contributed to the EU budget over the last fifteen years, including the rebate. (See Tweet by Guy Verhofstadt, former Belgian PM).
Bollocks what on a fake fraudulent market of fiat currency get over it exports are cheep now!
lol north london blairites are on the run
How much of that 350 billion was your money?
Not personally mine, obviously, but national wealth with the potential to build, say, lots of new NHS hospitals (although we should soon be getting a new one every week from EU contributions savings according to the Leave flier that came through my door).
Thanks Margo. It's not that difficult, is it? I fear, however, that this time we ALL lose (with the exception of the next wave of Tory leaders and others insulated by their extraordinary wealth and power).
She's out of her depth.
"Who lives without sadness and rage is the one who does not love her country."
- Nikolay Alexeyevich Nekrasov.
absolutely called it
The English working class is out of touch with the English working class.
Respect Will !!
Did the lady just accuse the badman, Will Self of being "a patriarchal finger pointer"?
I'm afraid Will lets himself down here. He is a patriarchal finger pointer and that's a fact.
Lol oh goodness he pointed his finger lo lolol get a fucking grip, he just had his citizenship robbed off him
It's an amazingly content-free pseudo insult. It says literally nothing about Will Self and everything about her.
No it's not. He was using his size, looming over her, jabbing his finger in her face, and continually interrupting her. I was surprised he didn't come right out and tell her she had to vote Remain because she's black. I think she did very well to get her point across in the face of his provocation.
Patriarchal finger pointer lol.
Welsh Toro or, he just saw the writings on the wall. One of the two.
We are now 7 years on and Brexit has been an abject failure, in fact a disaster. £100bn a year lost, including £40bn a year in lost taxes, so record taxes and peace time borrowing to fill the gap. Also, lost rights to travel, settle, work. Extra costs on trade, travel and communications, making some unviable. Musicians and artists catastrophically ruined.
Will Self has it spot on. Who's this Dreda anyway?
a self-loathing, how does one say, "Auntie Tomilina".
Dreda sounds so incredibly naive... All those leavers saying 'all we have to do now is come together' just clueless about what they've done...
I think you'll find it is the remainers who are the problem. There was a free vote and the public made their decision and yet remainers seem to be rejecting democracy. They have done everything possible to block votes, even taking it to the courts despite there being a very long held tradition of separating the judiciary from the government. The supreme court ruling has caused a crisis within our system which we will see affecting the UK for many years to come and remainers have the audacity to claim Brexit is going to cause harm? Just wait until Labour get back into power, any decision they make could be taken to court because the precedent has been created which will prevent judges from automatically dismissing cases against the government of the day.
Remainers have the mindset of a tyrant and the attitude of spoiled children.
@@laughingachilles When you lie to the public, and the public votes based on those lies, that is the opposite of democracy. You ended up with a completely lawless government that wanted to withdraw from the European Court of Human Rights, ban democratic protesting and create unlawful policies just to adhere to their racist base.
I hope four years have given you some perspective on the economic damage according to every objective study including by the last government's own investigation, which supported Brexit.
Specifically what benefits has Brexit provided you? What have been the economic benefits? What tangible improvements have occurred as a result of voting to leave the EU? Has it helped immigration which is substantially higher since withdrawing from the EU, and because many Europeans left, the gap in skills was filled with those from countries outside of Europe.
Everything that has come to pass, you were warned about. If you still believe in Brexit that's fine, but try not to deny reality. At least have the intellectual honesty to acknowledge that it has been a failure.
@@laughingachilles Ugh! When you lie to the public and the public votes based on those lies, that does not a democracy make. Name a single economic benefit from Brexit?
@@desoliver9712
If you believe the only important thing is the economic benefits then you won't ever understand why some of us voted for Brexit.
Sovereignty is a key aspect but only patriots appreciate such a thing.
@@laughingachilles The white paper which triggered article 40 stated very clearly that the UK was a sovereign nation. Legally and constitutionally the UK was always sovereign, and that's a fact.
I find it a very odd argument to make given that the UK has an entirely unelected second parliament, unlike the EU which is comprised of elected MEPs.
"Patriotism" and nationalist gumph is such an antiquated idea-feelings and pride with no substance. If you cared about the country then you'd act like an adult and consider aspects that actually matter such as the financial health of the country and those people living on the breadline impacted by rising food costs. A real "patriot" would be concerned about making the country better not destroying it.
Wow this is 4 years ago. No progress. At all. Embarrassment of a political system
Will Self's on fire, Dreda Say is terrified!
When you say "big nosed" what exactly do you mean?
He's insinuating that Will is Barry Manilow.
he tore his own asshole, he had nothing to say, he was angry because his polish boyfriend might go home now
I quite enjoy will self.
Maybe Will Self should move to Greece?
I hope he'll be alright. No matter how much you're hurting Will don't get back up on the horse.
"A Complex & *interconnected* world" - not for much longer.
labour luvvies keep missing the point. British people are concerned about mass immigration that's why they voted leave and that's why they won't vote labour under the current leadership.
Some Labour Voters want Brexit but not the majority. The split was 70% Remain and 30% Leave for Labour Voters. Labour has not lost voters to the Tories or UKIP/Brexit Party but to the LibDems & Greens. The Tories have lost voters to UKIP/Brexit Party. The irony of what you have said is that Corbyn is a life-long Eurosceptic who has campaigned against the EEC and then the EU and since the referendum has campaigned to be out of the Single Market, which of course would prevent Free Movement of People from the EU.
Great Britain???...... embarrassing
It's all good saying this referendum was about unhappy people who felt forgotten by westminster wanting to make their voices heard - but you already have an opportunity like that within this democracy - it's called a general election. the EU had little or nothing to do with austerity that was implemented in britain after the banking crisis.
If there's one thing the Tories will never do, it's take responsibility for an unpopular action. They still try and blame the E U today 😂
she sums up the divs
She's a joke. Strange, seeing as her side - of which Britain Firsters and Ukippers are the vanguard - has left us very little to smile about.
TheCausation How so?
Are you so deluded to think that the contemporary presence of POC and Black people is/was dependant on white people being civilised? Are YOU So racist to think that Black people and POC should take into consideration the views of white people who seemingly do not give one HOT DAMN about white poverty and use white poverty in order to separate the Working Class by RACE? What is it about yourself that you think you have so much to give that a person like me ( black) would hold your hand just because you claim not to be UKIP or a "Firster"? You vain white liberals need to chaco your privilege. And maybe to get "our" trust, you had better show as much genuine compassion to the poor of your own than to "those poor over there" that you hardly mix with anyway. If you had a brain, you would realise that those who are witness to white poverty are usually the same POC that White Liberals dump in the poorer areas (historically and contemporarily). Then you lot have the audacity to deny that POC are usually overwhelmingly working class or poor in the West ( the bastion of liberalism) by erasing us when it comes to talking about the Working Class. And fuck off with the |because overt racists vote for Leave, it means that no POC should vote Leave" rhetoric. That in itself shows that you are a racist who denies the inter sectionalism of both the White working class and Black/POC in general.......ie, you are not the liberal that your ego has lead you to believe. You are as racist, if not more than the average UKIPPER, because you have decided to deny the full humanity of a black woman and the poor of your won race in order to make yourself feel superior. If you were a Ukipper then I would say "fair enough". But you aren't so , in fact , YOU are Will Self and all you deluded white liberals who think as basically as you do.
Head's up, honey. If you have nothing to give to "the cause", just own your basic self like millions of people around the world have to do every day without being sneering and racist and superior. There is nothing wrong with being a white person who just goes with the flow. Rather that than an earnest do nothing who needs "the other" to hide their shallowness behind. Leave the harder stuff to others, eh? Effete, fey, anti community, monocultural, anti"edge", too middle class, too establishment, anti wisdom, ageist, anti get anything edifying done, anti intelligence (over educated) and conservative is what the Modern Liberal Movement has become. And to take it to the bridge, we now have "the progressives" who are the most conservative and seemingly sex starved ( if one is swerving, one hasn't time for all those inarticulate tantrums that seems to be the MO of too many of THAT lot) movements ( at least in the way that progressives manifest themselves and the argument stifling tactics that they use) seen in my lifetime.
So fuck off with your stereotyping of how black people should be and act in order for your white so called liberal self to feel better for your views of life and how you hold them. Pick you own fucking cotton, you drip! Or better still, go and do some good works on behalf of the white poor that your kind like to keep poor, so that anti white anger from POC will be directed at them. The better to hide racism and the "othering" disposition of the white middle class liberal behind. If you don't like white poor, how you gonna like POC, most of whom are poor or working class ( and that is WORLDWIDE )? Or is it that we poor POC have, perhaps a "vibrant" culture that is quite moneymaking and that you can carpet bag behind whilst denying to yourselves that poor whites have a culture because it isn't as commercial ijnhe uk as it was in the Sixties? No wonder David Bowie left up from the UK. Poor him , if he stayed here and the hypocritical liberals got a hold of him. Better to go to America where, at least, the average person finds it harder to hold in their hypocrisy and ALL dynamics, including "liberal Racism"are talked about amongst ALL and out the side of their necks. The average Liberal in the UK doesn't like it upland at them. Maybe that is why the white woking class hasn't been allowed to gain any shine since the sixties....the poor sods only went and made Britain Cool and did the whole social mobility thing too bloody well. And therein lies another well of fear for the over promoted middle class liberal.......he/she secretly knows that they cannot let the white working class "out" because then, too many POC working class will follow and thus the mediocrity and blandishment of middle class white liberals will be seen, in all its flagrance. Any industry that they rule, especially "the Arts" become dull .
Petra Brown Just huh?
+Petra Brown Well said.
Setnakht What did Petra say well?
This has aged well, Dreda…
Hasn’t*
This couldn’t be a more accurate look into the future. Two years later here we are. A country riven by dissent and rudderless.
Dreda who, like others of her persuasion, handed the country off to a Tory party shattered by civil war, is nowhere to be seen on the topic. Especially after Windrush showed her the type of people that she consigned the fates of the millions of European immigrants.
What strikes me here is her intense naïveté and lack of knowledge of the structures that she thought wise to campaign to crash. But here we are, and there is nothing that can be done on the topic anymore.
She probably couldn't be bothered to look up "Geopolitics" in a dictionary.. Vote leave were never the type to research anything, unless vote leave published it, were they?
Shes the one that seems very very angry.
HE WAS RIGHT 1000% 😢
"IF, you read my twitter" haha
Self is an arrogant man whose arrogance has only been amplified by the sourest of grapes.
Will may well have been angry, but he was incredibly obnoxious here. If you're at the point you're ready to punch someone, maybe you go and walk it off instead of agreeing to go on TV.
'Tribal' Labour ... 'they're not the people you think they are'. Oh, so that'd be the people the Labour party was set up to represent then? The people we're told are losing their jobs to Poles because they're 'lazy'? People who, just like the 'Eastern Europeans' who Self is so concerned for, also need to make a living in the face of globalising big business.
All Europe means to the poor and unskilled is greater competition for that level of work - the 'right' to move to Poland in return feels like a pretty unfair exchange to a whole swathe of U.K society - and it's a consequence of a bargain they never made anyway.
I'm willing to bet that the white working class is just about the only social group who Self would so confidently and unashamedly speak about in these terms.
Self's arrogant, ignorant, self-righteous prejudice shines through (as does Jon Snow's bias).
Well done to Dreda Mitchell; articulate, strong, brave in the face of his hectoring, inarticulate bigotry.
Self is a hypocrite i've lost all respect for him. He rants on about ''what about the people who feel their lives are shattered'' completely disregarding the fact that fifty percent of the nation were feeling exactly that, which is why the nation has virtually been split in two. As usual through lies and scaremongering the powers that be have us fighting among ourselves to deflect the blame when in fact its been both Labour and Conservatives that have caused this mess.
Self looks and sounds likes he's back on smack.
Or some sort of breakdown
I once read one of Wil selfs books . What a load of shit .
What about Will Self? Ever read one of his books?
Cross-party, we all have to work together?? When has that ever happened. Anyone who thinks that the vote to leave the EU will give working people more say, more rights or more of anything at all is very badly mistaken. This was the wrong vehicle for 'rebelling' against the establishment.
Looks like Self predicted it correctly.
Still relevant 3 years on ... Boris on the UFO delivering pies in the sky
Ol' Wilfy looks like he's lost a quid and found a Euro!Lol.
this video hasn't aged well
Will Self offered political issues that need to be considered, with consideration for the country and the people who make up the country
Dreda Mitchell offered abstract concepts of no substance, taping into people's most powerful way of thinking, their emotional side.
I wonder.....if this lady has re-watched this clip....?
I don't think Mr Self comes across as angry at all...
Has anyone seen Dreda since?
What does that headline even mean???
Dreda needs to learn how to let people speak a bit, then I'm sure she'd be a very interesting debater.
He desperately wanted to call her racist. Yoy could see him thinking... "If only they'd invited someone white on so I could end the debate with one word...racist!!!!"
Yep.. That must have pissed him off,, and as for saying there was democracy in the Parliament buildings well that debatable at times..
I'm not British and I don't know anything about what factions within the Labour party these two represent, but Will Self doesn't come across as having much of a point. Is he really accusing Dreda Say Mitchell of being a Boris Johnson supporter? Or is he just bitter? Mitchell is talking about what comes next for Labour, and Self is basically saying he isn't ready to do that yet. People's lives have been shattered, dammit, how can you be so insensitive, why don't you all go vote for Boris Johnson if you love him so much, etc.
Will europe isn't working.
Thanks handsome. Of course mass immigration, terrorist attacks, failing banks, failing countries and mass unemployment are all signs of a working union. Sorry Schlossar its a sinking ship..
+Another Sucker
Haha, owned him, well done, very crisp.
He's mad. Funny how he moves the argument over to boris. It will be Boris who in 5 years and we will still be out of Europe. I doubt if we will be the last either Europe has to double down or fail now.
Yes indeed, changing the subject is a classical sophistical manoeuvre on the part of someone who knows he has lost the argument.
Yeah it was working much better years ago when we all had a good war every five fucking minutes wasnt it
Don't mention Brexit.
We don’t deserve WS. Read the books!!
These comments are gold.
Never heard of this woman. Not intending to read her books.
She won - but she does not feel triumphant or victorious. Sounds a pretty hollow victory then doesn't it?
Will Self is acting like a petulant child. Another one who hates democracy when it doesn't go his way. The referendum wasn't about Gove or Boris, I loathe them both and the political cloth they're cut from. It was about people outside of London, which despite his protestations Self doesn't understand, seeing no positives, only negatives from our membership of the EU. Where are the likes of Self championing the English fisherman, the Steel Workers in the North, the car workers in the Midlands - he doesn't really care, London doesn't care and Brussels's doesn't care - and that's why Remain emphatically lost.
Will selfish.
Its called democracy Will.
Last time I checked, MP's voted & chose to give the EU decision to the public in a referendum because they couldn't decide amongst themselves.
No, Cameron wanted to pander to eirosceptics to win an election and it backfired on him, considering he was, and still is, remainer.
@@samtorr3947 on 9 June 2015, MPs voted by 544 to 53 in favour of the principle of holding a referendum with only the Scottish National Party opposing the Bill. Labour and Lib Dems voted for it...
Dreda says she's not angry. Well there's a surprise, seeing as she got what she wanted. Why the hell would she be angry? Are Portugal angry today?
The problem with Self is that he's full of his own importance. He gets wheeled out so often for his views that he's convinced himself he's got the answers.
Well, is he wrong? Dedra claimed that the referendum would make the politicians pay attention to those who feel they've been neglected. It's been three years, has that happened? And were the issues with the constitutional northern Irish border a major part of the crisis as Self suggests? Given that the DUP were given 1 billion pounds in order to prop up support for May's deal?
Still no reply to the comment above.. Says it all really doesn't it?
The British were led off a cliff and everyone else is laughing at them, while they claim they are doing brilliantly, as we all see them falling through the air, towards the ground.
Such is life... 😂
She don't seem stupid...Yet puts her faith in BJ!? ...Must be another one of those eccentric working-class multi millionaires.
I disagree we don't want politicians to come together that idea is why we had so much apathy over the years. I won't to see these politicians hashing it out on subjects which are relative to all of us in the UK.
" The patriarchal pointer" HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA wot de faaaack? Apeshit total man
Will Self is absolutely correct!!!!!!!!!!!
What's with Will Self, why cant he respect people's will to change the status quo. I am not even British nor live there, but why should a vote basically against free movement of people be such a disaster. Its the norm in the majority of the planet.
Its called Democracy Will Selfish
Will can't answer a straight question, he follows up with a rebuffed question.
Memo from elitist HQ -
"Damit what went wrong? When we gave the poor the vote they weren't supposed to be able to change anything!!!!!"
If the poor's vote counted, they wouldn't let them vote
Apparently it did today!
Dadpool It' doesn't matter who casts the votes the thing that matters is who counts the them
philzambo Your saying the Gov wanted us to leave the EU?
Dadpool The banks certainly did
I think Self is a middle name. Full version, Will Self Obsessed. What a rude, arrogant, gormless, condescending prat.
Shame she was not educated enough to put him in his place.
I think she's perfectly well educated, but it's very difficult to get your point across with someone looming over you, invading your space, waving their arms in your face, and continually interrupting you.
She talks alot and says nother. Just soundbytes and jargon. Not intelligent Im afraid!!!
Will looks grumpier than usual
Will was right then… and he's right now.
Diane Abbotts daughter is much smarter than her mother.
The problem here is that Will is making sense in an intelligent way with credible points & Dreda along with many foolish leave supporters can't understand his intellect.
Will Self was always a fool. And now he is fully embodying it,
Ahhhh the political heavyweight Dreda Say Mitchell. Just spouting mundane platitudes.
incredibleXMan yeah, Will Self shouting and patronizing is far superior 😒
She is the one who's angry!
and tries to cover it with fake smiles and platitudes about how we must all come together.
This hasn’t aged well for the quitters
Love will self
Has Will Self even read any of the EU Treaties? (I have). We are better out of this bureaucratic, unnecessary monster!
Turkeys just will vote for more Xmases!
I love seeing Will Self Butthurt!
The irony of you calling him but hurt whilst he predicted the next 4 years of politics is astounding.