You can't re-hydrate the developer pods. Over time the chemicals dry out and break down, and the chemical composition is literally changed, therefore, moistening the remaining chemical residue would have no affect. You would just have wet gunk on your negative.
Derek Hensley would putting the exposed negative in developer work, lets say BW dev. like rodinal. Oh in a dark environment obviously. Because you certainly can develop C-41 and E-6 film in BW developers. But I don't know what exactly is behind the pack film process and emulsion.
I was wondering if it would be possible to develop the negative in conventional chemicals? Of course, you would need to expose the film then pull out the print/negative in a dark room or dark bag. Sadly I think most of the pack film on the market today is dried out, particularly if it has not been stored in a fridge or freezer. Good luck
+Theorbit10 you didnt pay attention much did ya? this film definitly does have a negative, thats the part you pull through the cartridge and what gets exposed to the light, and what reacts with the positive to create the positive image. with this film you can lay the negative out to dry and get two pictures.
Theorbit10 all peel apart films do have a negative, that negative can be washed with Clorox and scanned, that negative will give you better colors and in general a better image.
Theorbit10 type 55 is just another type of film like type 100, 109, 108 or the 3000, it's just a large format and had to be processed in a processing machine apart from the camera, nothing special about that film.
Theorbit10 no offense man, but you gave me that impression you don't know anything about photography, I might be 20 years old but I did not had a digital camera in my hands until 2008, I grew up pretty much with film and until this day I use film
No knowledge on the chemistry, but if it's organic it would probably need replacing with a fresh solution, if that's even feasible. Be interesting to see how they'd develop manually, will the light exposure from peeling them apart before developing have ruined them?
The only way to rehydrate the chemical pods, just replace it with new ones, even if newer film tends to age better, and struggle to pull the 2nd tab out, you can disassemble the pack in the dark, and put new chemical pods in leftover from a pack that is versatile gave up on the pack that is hard to pull it out, many times the chemical pods are still good, It's a good idea to replace the pods into any type 108 film existed from the 1970s and 1980s even though pack film isn't made anymore, it's a one time shot. Hope this helps!
I've seen an article of a guy building a manual exposure control out of resistors for a polaroid like this one and using it with modern polaoid film. Maybe you could try something like this.
I had similar camera faced same problem at 1992 with dry film😅 ...but what is the battery for this cam look mechanical mine had one time use flash i was hoping to see it working for once in my life but thanks for video
I don’t know but I think that you can try to Steam the pack, like put it in a rice cooker or something like that, it’s just a theory but I think that steam could rehidrate the chemical pack. Awesome video by the way👏
It looks like the glue that should hold the pack together is also dried up... This might be a nice exhibition piece,, not usable film any more. The Newest Polaroid type 108 I could find on ebay was from 1984 :-) old stuff :-)
Without watching the video I can tell you all those packs are dried out, they been dry since the late 80's or early 90's or even the mid 90's even if you store them in cool and dry areas they would be dry by now
Awww, sorry that old film didn't work out. Maybe time to switch to new chemicals and developing your own 35mm BW film, making prints with an enlarger etc .. I think you would really enjoy the process.
Yeah its pretty smart isnt it? Main reason we dont do it anymore is you need the two mirrors a few inches apart to work well and cameras have shrunk smaller than that
+Tip Tap it has? well i was sick a fee weeks ago and still coughing but not to the same degree so my voice isnt as messed up anymore. also im still working on my voice as ive always done since starting my gender transition years ago. and lastly i got a new camera that records sound differently a while ago also, stuff sounds softer on it. people complain about my voice being too guyish and annoying to listen to so i hope its a good change not a bad one.
+Fook Utube i dont really have any need for an automobile, so i probably wont be doing much with the Citicar anymore, its a nice thing to keep as part of my collection of odd things though.
It _is_ disappointing. I can understand it drying out over the years through the plastic lining of the foil/plastic veneer packaging, but not through the foil itself.... unless it gassed out through the heat seal. That seems to be the logical weak spot.
Enjoyed tremendously, thank you. Brings back memories of my Square Shooter 2 and type 88 film packs.
You can't re-hydrate the developer pods. Over time the chemicals dry out and break down, and the chemical composition is literally changed, therefore, moistening the remaining chemical residue would have no affect. You would just have wet gunk on your negative.
Derek Hensley would putting the exposed negative in developer work, lets say BW dev. like rodinal. Oh in a dark environment obviously. Because you certainly can develop C-41 and E-6 film in BW developers. But I don't know what exactly is behind the pack film process and emulsion.
+Der Keksinator yeah it might be easier to just develop in my darkroom.
That's neat to find original film. Too bad it's dried up.
+sixtyfiveford yeah, i might try developing it in a darkroom though.
I just did the exact same thing. All dry and pulled apart. Thanks for the video!
I was wondering if it would be possible to develop the negative in conventional chemicals? Of course, you would need to expose the film then pull out the print/negative in a dark room or dark bag. Sadly I think most of the pack film on the market today is dried out, particularly if it has not been stored in a fridge or freezer. Good luck
+Theorbit10 you didnt pay attention much did ya? this film definitly does have a negative, thats the part you pull through the cartridge and what gets exposed to the light, and what reacts with the positive to create the positive image. with this film you can lay the negative out to dry and get two pictures.
Theorbit10 all peel apart films do have a negative, that negative can be washed with Clorox and scanned, that negative will give you better colors and in general a better image.
Theorbit10 type 55 is just another type of film like type 100, 109, 108 or the 3000, it's just a large format and had to be processed in a processing machine apart from the camera, nothing special about that film.
Theorbit10 no offense man, but you gave me that impression you don't know anything about photography, I might be 20 years old but I did not had a digital camera in my hands until 2008, I grew up pretty much with film and until this day I use film
Gawd, I remember the white tabs and yellow tabs from this thing, when I had mine in 1974.
No knowledge on the chemistry, but if it's organic it would probably need replacing with a fresh solution, if that's even feasible. Be interesting to see how they'd develop manually, will the light exposure from peeling them apart before developing have ruined them?
Oh recessed childhood memories brought back, thanks for sharing. Too bad the film didn’t work.
The only way to rehydrate the chemical pods, just replace it with new ones, even if newer film tends to age better, and struggle to pull the 2nd tab out, you can disassemble the pack in the dark, and put new chemical pods in leftover from a pack that is versatile gave up on the pack that is hard to pull it out, many times the chemical pods are still good, It's a good idea to replace the pods into any type 108 film existed from the 1970s and 1980s even though pack film isn't made anymore, it's a one time shot. Hope this helps!
I've seen an article of a guy building a manual exposure control out of resistors for a polaroid like this one and using it with modern polaoid film. Maybe you could try something like this.
Awesome video as alway Rinoa!...Umm any update or project of the leaf battery?."We" wouldnt mind an hour of video on it!!
+Fook Utube dont have any projects for it right now, planning to make a solar power bank with some though. idk
I had similar camera faced same problem at 1992 with dry film😅 ...but what is the battery for this cam look mechanical mine had one time use flash i was hoping to see it working for once in my life but thanks for video
Bw Stuff from the 60’s has worked. Weird how it all works.
I don’t know but I think that you can try to Steam the pack, like put it in a rice cooker or something like that, it’s just a theory but I think that steam could rehidrate the chemical pack.
Awesome video by the way👏
What is the chemical composition of the chemical packs? That would be the first thing.
+Hannah mich thats basically what im asking the viewers
black and white film works 60 plus years after expiration date color on the other hand only lasts about 20 to 30 years
It looks like the glue that should hold the pack together is also dried up... This might be a nice exhibition piece,, not usable film any more. The Newest Polaroid type 108 I could find on ebay was from 1984 :-) old stuff :-)
do you want to start a lawnmower or why do you pull it out so fast?
because it says so in the manual
I had some early 80s film with a similar land camera, same issues
Without watching the video I can tell you all those packs are dried out, they been dry since the late 80's or early 90's or even the mid 90's even if you store them in cool and dry areas they would be dry by now
I got some expired in 1984 108 film that came with a camera I thrifted, but after seeing this I highly doubt I’ll get anything on those.
Yeah I recommend not opening them if you want them sealed, since they dry up after 12 years or so.
I've gotten a couple packs of type 105 film that expired in 1976 to work
Awww, sorry that old film didn't work out. Maybe time to switch to new chemicals and developing your own 35mm BW film, making prints with an enlarger etc .. I think you would really enjoy the process.
Is that dry or frozen?
dry
I've never seen a camera focus like that!
Yeah its pretty smart isnt it? Main reason we dont do it anymore is you need the two mirrors a few inches apart to work well and cameras have shrunk smaller than that
So, over the last few weeks your voice has changed noticeably all of a sudden (to me, at least). You're aware of that and expected it?
+Tip Tap it has? well i was sick a fee weeks ago and still coughing but not to the same degree so my voice isnt as messed up anymore.
also im still working on my voice as ive always done since starting my gender transition years ago.
and lastly i got a new camera that records sound differently a while ago also, stuff sounds softer on it.
people complain about my voice being too guyish and annoying to listen to so i hope its a good change not a bad one.
Yes, it has become softer and less guyish (easy to detect if compared to a video from 4 months ago). I'm glad everything is OK.
+Tip Tap well thats good to hear, thanks for the input.
I noticed that too, always improving. you go girl! :D
Good video.
anyone have any links to buy the batteries?
Amazon
weres ya blue car..... been waiting.
blue car? what blue car?
Would be awesome to have your leaf battery in it...Aye Phoenix
+Fook Utube i dont really have any need for an automobile, so i probably wont be doing much with the Citicar anymore, its a nice thing to keep as part of my collection of odd things though.
The Citicar was rad as hell though! I'm just interested in it from a mechanic's stand point. Just seeing it in depth would be incredible!
+Horsepower if i ever buy land or something, i think itd be cool to use it to haul things around with.
Hexane, perhaps? Or Alcohol? Or both? Or inkjetcleaning solvent?
Try it, what’s the worst that could happen?
i use the wrong chemical and it ruins the camera or just ruins an opportunity to revive the film. only have 8 more tries with this pack.
It _is_ disappointing. I can understand it drying out over the years through the plastic lining of the foil/plastic veneer packaging, but not through the foil itself.... unless it gassed out through the heat seal. That seems to be the logical weak spot.
+Burfurd9000 well its not pure foil, its like aluminized paper.
In theory you could develop them in a dark room (or dark box)
+Steven Biars yeah im thinking i might do that sometime.
You should give it a go.
but with what chemical?
Rinoa Super-Genius maybe try some different chemicals but I would start with water. I am not a chemist because I am 14.
1970's film is a no go won't work once a film pack has dried out there is no hope for it.
+DAVID GREGORY KERR some of it still works, depends on the storage method.
Heh, this reminds me of my Sharp Elsi mate calculator, huge, bulky, useless but fun
1:31: "No hiss."
steve1989mreinfo reference?
So stupid !ask" old "people who know about polaroid camera !!!
what on earth are you talking about?
The absolute shittiest camera design ever! Complete and total garbage in 77 and still shit in 2019
Brick and vintage camera bodies are a bad match. This is cringe worthy, are you a techie?