Both sides make good arguments. People need to be informed that they do not have to consent to a full search, and that a search beyond a pat down is illegal. They also cannot be compelled to empty their pockets.
Their husband, son or father is not coming home because you've ensured they cannot carry a firearm concealed to defend themselves against a potential threat! And you're working to strip that right from citizens across the country!
2:58 "You just turn the streets over to the criminals, literally overnight. " Hmmm... Last time I checked the Constitution was the law of the land, so if cops are violating the Constitution by using Stop and Frisk, doesn't that make THEM criminals?
Hey that is so true why are they not policed this is a great spin on this I don't think in all these years no one has arrested or try to hold or charge or ticket them
so those that say its ok would it be okay for the cops to come to your house and search it if its okay to violate some of your constitutional rights why not all of them
I agree with you in principal, but I guarantee you'll have your firearm taken and probably be arrested in New York city. The city has it's own laws and makes even carrying a firearm, unloaded, in a case, just passing through the airport illegal. So carrying anywhere in the city would be breaking their 'law'. This has already happened.
I totally agree with ya. Just that Francklin's original quote used the words "essential" and "temporary". In other words I was splitting hairs in an admittedly annoying way... sorry.
Let's get Mayor Bloomberg living like any other Joe in New York instead of his limousine and his High way of living and mingle with America. Then he'd have a right to run his mouth. It's so easy to tell somebody how to walk or what's going on when you're never wore their shoes.
I wouldn't be arrested, and my gun wouldn't be taken from me; the same reason someone with the NYPD wouldn't be arrested or have his gun taken away if he were to visit where I live. Federal Law allows Law Enforcement to carry their weapon in all 50 States, Territories and D.C; I can even cross state lines with a loaded gun in my car ready to use in the event of need. Never shot anyone, don't want to shoot anyone; but if I had to, I will after proper warning.
Are you including victimless drug "crimes" in that stat? I see what you're saying, but the police were taking liberties w/people's liberty. This stop-and-frisk was destined to become abusive. It's akin to general surveillance warrants, a catch-all if you will.
I think what's really on most officer's minds is meeting their quotas of tickets, arrests, etc. They obviously want to deter crime, but mostly they want to keep their jobs, and I think they use quotas to check if officers are keeping themselves busy or if they're just chilling out. I just got a ticket for biking on the sidewalk, even though I was biking right to my door!
The lady quoting stats an excuse for Stop & Frisk is with the Manhattan Institute, a libertarian policy research think tank, she is not on the left. Facts are so stubborn. I don't expect a retraction.
Stop & Frisk, is just the lazy NYPD's way of making it appear that they are policing high crime areas in the 5 boroughs. You can go through any of these high-crime areas and fail to see any police officers, on foot, on bikes, in cars etc., for hours. Where are they????
One would think that if you are black you'd avoid committing crime like the plague then, right? If you know you are being targeted, don't commit crime. It was unfair when I was growing up that my mom was sneaky and smart and kept a sharp eye out so I didn't get away with the stuff my friends did, but it gave me the opportunity to behave better. I'm not saying racial profiling is right, but profiling in general is just part of police work.
Metal detectors. That’s it. That simple. No need to violate people’s private parts to make the city safe. Simply wave the device near the body. The United States will do everything other than adopting to new technology.
On one hand you might accept the fact that violent crimes occur more often in minority neighborhoods, and that is why that demographic is stopped more frequently. However, I believe Stop and Frisk is also being used as a tool to propel the war on drugs by charging as many people as they can with drug possession. That is the problem I have with it
I always carry a gun, sometimes more than one; if I were to go to NYC, I'd carry there as my Sheriff gave me an ID (I am a Volunteer Sheriff Deputy) that would make it legal in all 50 States.
When poor white people complain about all the Mexicans stealing their jobs they get called racist more often then not. So you're saying that when poor blacks make the same claims, they are right and that it is all the white man's fault? "They took our jobs!" a phrase perhaps older than American itself.
Maybe if law abiding citizens could carry their legal firearms, there would be less crimes completed. Just like the states with lower crime rates that allow civilian carry...... Just saying....
"Everyone agrees that stop and frisk is Constitutional in theory." NO it is actually the dead opposite. I feel like Reason tv is trying to be too unbiased. Take a stand. Quote Heather and then quote article 4. Don't try to be popular with authoritarian assholes. please stand up for our rights.
Carrying a hand gun anywhrre in NYS is illegal, even if unloaded in a lockdd box, getting in a flight home to eskogee.... Unless u r in your car and driving through nys, eith iut stipping for gass, ir u r going to a shooting competition, hosted by inly i.e gun organization, and u pises a flyer eithin two days if daid competition....
Let the cops stop and frisk on Wall Street for a week. The practice would be outlawed the next week.
Both sides make good arguments. People need to be informed that they do not have to consent to a full search, and that a search beyond a pat down is illegal. They also cannot be compelled to empty their pockets.
Stopped about 15 times from 2003 to 2008.
No arrests, no summons!
Most of the time I was minding my own business walking to & from school.
Their husband, son or father is not coming home because you've ensured they cannot carry a firearm concealed to defend themselves against a potential threat! And you're working to strip that right from citizens across the country!
"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Benjamin Franklin -
2:58 "You just turn the streets over to the criminals, literally overnight. "
Hmmm... Last time I checked the Constitution was the law of the land, so if cops are violating the Constitution by using Stop and Frisk, doesn't that make THEM criminals?
Hey that is so true why are they not policed this is a great spin on this I don't think in all these years no one has arrested or try to hold or charge or ticket them
I absolutely love the voters of New York getting all the government they voted for.
so those that say its ok would it be okay for the cops to come to your house and search it if its okay to violate some of your constitutional rights why not all of them
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That old guy knew what was up. I would like to buy that guy a drink and just listen to him tell stories for an hour.
Also the older gentleman has earned this video a thumbs up.
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” - William Pitt the younger
They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.
I agree with you in principal, but I guarantee you'll have your firearm taken and probably be arrested in New York city. The city has it's own laws and makes even carrying a firearm, unloaded, in a case, just passing through the airport illegal. So carrying anywhere in the city would be breaking their 'law'. This has already happened.
Being searched with your consent improves safety? Well, North Korea must be very safe then.
Just get a metal detector. That simple. No need to violate our private areas to check for weapons.
I totally agree with ya. Just that Francklin's original quote used the words "essential" and "temporary". In other words I was splitting hairs in an admittedly annoying way... sorry.
Let's get Mayor Bloomberg living like any other Joe in New York instead of his limousine and his High way of living and mingle with America. Then he'd have a right to run his mouth. It's so easy to tell somebody how to walk or what's going on when you're never wore their shoes.
The CDC tracks all causes of premature death (and always has). Including but not limitted to weather social factors.
Just try to get a cop to file a police report for credit card fraud, they are too lazy.
I wouldn't be arrested, and my gun wouldn't be taken from me; the same reason someone with the NYPD wouldn't be arrested or have his gun taken away if he were to visit where I live.
Federal Law allows Law Enforcement to carry their weapon in all 50 States, Territories and D.C; I can even cross state lines with a loaded gun in my car ready to use in the event of need.
Never shot anyone, don't want to shoot anyone; but if I had to, I will after proper warning.
Less than 1% for guns. Statistically that's lower than they should be finding. You can search stop and frisk statistics for detailed data.
Want MORE Gov't? Here's your MORE Gov't.
so basically stop and frisk wasn't struck down, the NYPD was struck down for being structurally racist.
Race differences exist but if you're referring to criminal behavior, that's a reflection of community not race.
The part that blows my mind is, why isn't the Justice Department setting up protest against the NYC Police instead of the Trayvon Martin case?
Are you including victimless drug "crimes" in that stat? I see what you're saying, but the police were taking liberties w/people's liberty. This stop-and-frisk was destined to become abusive. It's akin to general surveillance warrants, a catch-all if you will.
I think what's really on most officer's minds is meeting their quotas of tickets, arrests, etc. They obviously want to deter crime, but mostly they want to keep their jobs, and I think they use quotas to check if officers are keeping themselves busy or if they're just chilling out. I just got a ticket for biking on the sidewalk, even though I was biking right to my door!
The lady quoting stats an excuse for Stop & Frisk is with the Manhattan Institute, a libertarian policy research think tank, she is not on the left. Facts are so stubborn. I don't expect a retraction.
If somebody pulls a gun you don't have to frisk them.
8:30 you can also tell that family that guns are illegal because it makes the city safer.
Well Bloomberg, maybe if you didn't try and take guns away from law abiding citizens then there wouldn't be as many problems.
NY can SUCK IT! Uphold the Constitution and protect Constitutional Carry! Free people do amazing and positive things when Liberty is nurtured.
As a person who's currently undecided on stop and frisk, I do find it constitutionally questionable if it's being abused.
Stop & Frisk, is just the lazy NYPD's way of making it appear that they are policing high crime areas in the 5 boroughs. You can go through any of these high-crime areas and fail to see any police officers, on foot, on bikes, in cars etc., for hours. Where are they????
One would think that if you are black you'd avoid committing crime like the plague then, right? If you know you are being targeted, don't commit crime. It was unfair when I was growing up that my mom was sneaky and smart and kept a sharp eye out so I didn't get away with the stuff my friends did, but it gave me the opportunity to behave better. I'm not saying racial profiling is right, but profiling in general is just part of police work.
According to Bloomberg everyone is "guilty until proven innocent". Fuck that.
Metal detectors. That’s it. That simple. No need to violate people’s private parts to make the city safe. Simply wave the device near the body.
The United States will do everything other than adopting to new technology.
4th amendment, 4th amendment, 4th amendment and nothing else.
This whole conversation is a waste of time. Legalize drugs instead. Problem(s) solved.
Police are not the solution to crime, more opportunities for the poor is.
On one hand you might accept the fact that violent crimes occur more often in minority neighborhoods, and that is why that demographic is stopped more frequently. However, I believe Stop and Frisk is also being used as a tool to propel the war on drugs by charging as many people as they can with drug possession. That is the problem I have with it
bloomberg needs to go somewhere where freedom isnt in the first basic law of the land... hell might be a nice fit for him
I always carry a gun, sometimes more than one; if I were to go to NYC, I'd carry there as my Sheriff gave me an ID (I am a Volunteer Sheriff Deputy) that would make it legal in all 50 States.
Obama spoke up for Trayvon Martin; where does he stand on Stop-N-Frisk?
When poor white people complain about all the Mexicans stealing their jobs they get called racist more often then not.
So you're saying that when poor blacks make the same claims, they are right and that it is all the white man's fault?
"They took our jobs!" a phrase perhaps older than American itself.
Maybe if law abiding citizens could carry their legal firearms, there would be less crimes completed. Just like the states with lower crime rates that allow civilian carry...... Just saying....
"Everyone agrees that stop-and-frisk is constitutional in theory."
Its interesting to see how the racist block of the libertarian crowd are responding to this.
stop and frisk is a good thing I don't see anything wrong with it
END STOP & FRISK!!!!
Terry v. Ohio. It's legal to frisk someone.
8:08 Mayor Bloomberg makes the case for expanding concealed carry and civilian gun ownership... which he is against.
"Everyone agrees that stop and frisk is Constitutional in theory." NO it is actually the dead opposite. I feel like Reason tv is trying to be too unbiased. Take a stand. Quote Heather and then quote article 4. Don't try to be popular with authoritarian assholes. please stand up for our rights.
Carrying a hand gun anywhrre in NYS is illegal, even if unloaded in a lockdd box, getting in a flight home to eskogee.... Unless u r in your car and driving through nys, eith iut stipping for gass, ir u r going to a shooting competition, hosted by inly i.e gun organization, and u pises a flyer eithin two days if daid competition....
laws are for the sheep not the shepherd
I thought Gun laws were enough
so your detain for pre-grime?
I see what you attempted to do but you failed.
Have to love the American SS
Cuny TV?
MicPowell, you need to lay off the Farrakhan.
MicPowell, you need to lay off the Farrakhan.