one thing that kind of disappointed me about this season (in terms of ace rep) was that tori actually came out to charlie as asexual on the ferris wheel in the graphic novel but for some reason they left it out of the show... idk if they're going to explore her storyline more in season 4 but it doesn't make sense why they'd cut it out since they already had the scene set up perfectly😭 loveee isaac's scenes though 💜
It actually felt like a coming out speech to me, but spoken by someone who didn't really have the words for it. Tori was expressing the words of someone who felt fundamentally broken in her ability to love. "I'm not like you. I wish I was like you." Charlie tells her she does love others and "you love so much, it's just hidden inside." I really hope they explore this (and her QPR) in S4.
alice has definitely talked about exploring tori’s asexuality in a possible season 4, so don’t worry about her being straight-washed or anything. i’m very excited actually that it wasn’t included because it means we’ll get more of her journey in depth. also, while it would have meant a lot for comic fans, it would seem a bit out of the blue for show-only viewers
@@acereporter266 It would be nice if Isaac in some way could help Tori finding the word for what she's feeling. I don't mean that he should sherpa her, I don't think he is there in his own journey yet. But it's a joruney they could take togehter
As an aroace person, I do have a deep fear of people always leaving me because I can’t engage with someone romantically. I want people to value me just as much as I value them
I loved Isaac’s coming out scene. I’m still coming to terms with the fact that I am aroace. I just started realizing my sexuality over the last 6 months. It’s a life changing thing.
I realy felt the not wanting to explain part so hard. I recently met a girl again that I've known a Long Time but we're not really friends. We came to the topic of relationships and I didn't really feel like explaining Shit at that Moment so I danced around the term. When she asked me if I was aromantic it was such a nice surprise. An I felt so valid. Its just a word but her knowing what it means made my day. Thanks to this show more people will know that word.
I've read Heartstopper as far as was available to me (over 100 chapters??) and it's GREAT to see so much aroace rep and awareness put in the show, since the graphic novel is more solely about Nick and Charlie discovering themselves...and it was a great read, but hard to actually empathize with as an aroace. Fear of being 3rd wheeled all the time is VERY real, especially as allos don't always catch on to the fact that they *should* have friendships outside their relationships instead of solely being (co)dependent on them.
Ohhai there, fellow AroAce here. Thank you sooooo much for this recap. I think Heartstopper has done a lot of good in terms of Aspec relatability (which is something I didnt think i needed until i saw it). I hope they explore QPRs and do it justice because I honestly dont know where to find one, how to go about sharing that desire with someone who is also looking or honestly what i personally want out of that type of relationship. Aspec feels are really confusing to navigate at times but we're all trying our best. As always, top tier content.
I'm watching Heartstopper with my dad in the evenings (I'm a 34 year old adult gray-aro ace who lives with him) and we just got to the (first?) Paris trip episode in season 2 and I guess the first 2 episodes of his ace arc becoming explicit (although there's an in-joke in 2x01 sorta since he's reading a book with Ace in the title). I'll wait till we get through season before I watch your review! But I'm looking forward to it.
I love that!! I hope you enjoy the ride, and I’m looking forward to hearing what you think! Also thank you for the early comment. It really helps the video ☺️
Hi ! I like your reaction to Isaac's journey 👍 ! As a newly out (mostly to myself) as an Ace Biromantic person, I relate to him the most, when He comes out to his friend as aroace and how aware he is about his new journey into self acceptance. I feel like I'm grieving that part of myself who thought (and hoped) I would 'eventually' experience sexual attraction like 'everybody else' if I wait for the 'right person'. I'm also like Isaac and still want to hear about the details of my friends' sex (and romantic) lives even if when it comes to sex I don't have the urge and I'm sex-indifferent ... My friends are my people so, of course I want to know ! 😊😊
The other moments in S3 that many aces can relate to: * The Ferrris Wheel scene: Remember, Tori is ace in the graphic novels and Alice says it's obvious when she watches Heartstopper that Tori is asexual. Maybe not aromantic, but definitely asexual. Also she probably doesn't have the words for it, but what she has with Michael is probably queerplatonic. * Imogen coming face to face with her CompHet.
I have always identified myself as gay, I had relationships, I had sexual desires, but about 10 years more or less, it has becoming less and less proeminent. I started to question myself if I am assexual, but it sometimes seems to invalidate my previous experiences. Does that make sense? I'm 37 yo now. It has been so difficult to find myself
Something I heard that makes sense to me is that a label is something that can be a tool to find like-minded people or experiences you can relate to. It can be helpful shorthand to describe how you feel or your own experiences. It doesn’t have to negate your previous experiences but it could be a helpful tool to use now if you want to. A lot of people talk about being born this way as a defense against bigots and to validate their own experiences but that can also invalidate other peoples experiences. Sexuality can be fluid. Also asexuality is a big umbrella term. If you haven’t already you might want to look into the terms grey-asexual, sex-favorable asexual and desire vs attraction vs arousal (society tends to use these interchangeably)
Thank you for your insights into Isaac's journey. What I found odd was Charlie and Isaac's conversation on the beach. Charlie asks if Isaac is asexual but then finds aromantic such an opaque word it's impossible to understand. I can see how somebody might not be sure how it would manifest itself in somebody's life, but not being able to break the word down into "not having romantic feelings" when you're talking about asexual = not having sexual feelings just seems strange to me. Is that true to your experience, that people just totally blank on the word?
Yes, it has been my experience that most people at least roughly know what asexual is, but only a few have heard of aromantic. Many people simply don't realize that there is a difference, which is why the differentiation confuses them
I’m Demi and I don’t like hearing about people’s romantic experiences in the bedroom or their happy romantic experiences in general. But I will listen to their romantic problems and sometimes give advice but now it feels silly like who am I to give allo people advice. Especially recently when I know one of my younger coworker/friends was subtly insinuating she didn’t want to end up like me 😢. I was just trying to give advice on how to be understanding and patient and that just because someone is acting like 💩 does not make it okay to do the same to them. She ended up mostly taking my advice but still it’s a lonely experience.
I love that Elle points out to Tao that he loves Isaac just as much as he loves Elle ... platonic love is just as real and valid as romantic love.
Yes that was such a strong point from Elle!
YESSS
💯
When Issac said he doesn’t feel like giving a vocab lesson, I felt that hard
Same
Same
one thing that kind of disappointed me about this season (in terms of ace rep) was that tori actually came out to charlie as asexual on the ferris wheel in the graphic novel but for some reason they left it out of the show...
idk if they're going to explore her storyline more in season 4 but it doesn't make sense why they'd cut it out since they already had the scene set up perfectly😭
loveee isaac's scenes though 💜
It actually felt like a coming out speech to me, but spoken by someone who didn't really have the words for it. Tori was expressing the words of someone who felt fundamentally broken in her ability to love. "I'm not like you. I wish I was like you." Charlie tells her she does love others and "you love so much, it's just hidden inside." I really hope they explore this (and her QPR) in S4.
alice has definitely talked about exploring tori’s asexuality in a possible season 4, so don’t worry about her being straight-washed or anything. i’m very excited actually that it wasn’t included because it means we’ll get more of her journey in depth. also, while it would have meant a lot for comic fans, it would seem a bit out of the blue for show-only viewers
@@acereporter266 It would be nice if Isaac in some way could help Tori finding the word for what she's feeling. I don't mean that he should sherpa her, I don't think he is there in his own journey yet. But it's a joruney they could take togehter
As an aroace person, I do have a deep fear of people always leaving me because I can’t engage with someone romantically. I want people to value me just as much as I value them
This is where a lot of my insecurities stem from
This season was so good! I like that Isaac had a bit more screen time
Yes such good representation from him this season 💚💜
I loved Isaac’s coming out scene. I’m still coming to terms with the fact that I am aroace. I just started realizing my sexuality over the last 6 months. It’s a life changing thing.
Heartstopper made me realize I still have so much internalized aphobia it's kind of embarrassing.
You know this is all Zionist propaganda right? Read the protocols of Zion lil bro, it all fits together.
I realy felt the not wanting to explain part so hard. I recently met a girl again that I've known a Long Time but we're not really friends. We came to the topic of relationships and I didn't really feel like explaining Shit at that Moment so I danced around the term. When she asked me if I was aromantic it was such a nice surprise. An I felt so valid. Its just a word but her knowing what it means made my day. Thanks to this show more people will know that word.
Aroace rep WOOO‼️
I've read Heartstopper as far as was available to me (over 100 chapters??) and it's GREAT to see so much aroace rep and awareness put in the show, since the graphic novel is more solely about Nick and Charlie discovering themselves...and it was a great read, but hard to actually empathize with as an aroace.
Fear of being 3rd wheeled all the time is VERY real, especially as allos don't always catch on to the fact that they *should* have friendships outside their relationships instead of solely being (co)dependent on them.
Ohhai there, fellow AroAce here. Thank you sooooo much for this recap. I think Heartstopper has done a lot of good in terms of Aspec relatability (which is something I didnt think i needed until i saw it).
I hope they explore QPRs and do it justice because I honestly dont know where to find one, how to go about sharing that desire with someone who is also looking or honestly what i personally want out of that type of relationship.
Aspec feels are really confusing to navigate at times but we're all trying our best. As always, top tier content.
I'm watching Heartstopper with my dad in the evenings (I'm a 34 year old adult gray-aro ace who lives with him) and we just got to the (first?) Paris trip episode in season 2 and I guess the first 2 episodes of his ace arc becoming explicit (although there's an in-joke in 2x01 sorta since he's reading a book with Ace in the title). I'll wait till we get through season before I watch your review! But I'm looking forward to it.
I love that!! I hope you enjoy the ride, and I’m looking forward to hearing what you think! Also thank you for the early comment. It really helps the video ☺️
I need to check that out someday
Hi ! I like your reaction to Isaac's journey 👍 ! As a newly out (mostly to myself) as an Ace Biromantic person, I relate to him the most, when He comes out to his friend as aroace and how aware he is about his new journey into self acceptance. I feel like I'm grieving that part of myself who thought (and hoped) I would 'eventually' experience sexual attraction like 'everybody else' if I wait for the 'right person'.
I'm also like Isaac and still want to hear about the details of my friends' sex (and romantic) lives even if when it comes to sex I don't have the urge and I'm sex-indifferent ... My friends are my people so, of course I want to know ! 😊😊
The other moments in S3 that many aces can relate to:
* The Ferrris Wheel scene: Remember, Tori is ace in the graphic novels and Alice says it's obvious when she watches Heartstopper that Tori is asexual. Maybe not aromantic, but definitely asexual. Also she probably doesn't have the words for it, but what she has with Michael is probably queerplatonic.
* Imogen coming face to face with her CompHet.
Same
Tbf i’d just find new friends 😂
I have always identified myself as gay, I had relationships, I had sexual desires, but about 10 years more or less, it has becoming less and less proeminent. I started to question myself if I am assexual, but it sometimes seems to invalidate my previous experiences. Does that make sense? I'm 37 yo now. It has been so difficult to find myself
Something I heard that makes sense to me is that a label is something that can be a tool to find like-minded people or experiences you can relate to. It can be helpful shorthand to describe how you feel or your own experiences. It doesn’t have to negate your previous experiences but it could be a helpful tool to use now if you want to. A lot of people talk about being born this way as a defense against bigots and to validate their own experiences but that can also invalidate other peoples experiences. Sexuality can be fluid.
Also asexuality is a big umbrella term. If you haven’t already you might want to look into the terms grey-asexual, sex-favorable asexual and desire vs attraction vs arousal (society tends to use these interchangeably)
Thank you for your insights into Isaac's journey.
What I found odd was Charlie and Isaac's conversation on the beach. Charlie asks if Isaac is asexual but then finds aromantic such an opaque word it's impossible to understand. I can see how somebody might not be sure how it would manifest itself in somebody's life, but not being able to break the word down into "not having romantic feelings" when you're talking about asexual = not having sexual feelings just seems strange to me.
Is that true to your experience, that people just totally blank on the word?
Yes, it has been my experience that most people at least roughly know what asexual is, but only a few have heard of aromantic. Many people simply don't realize that there is a difference, which is why the differentiation confuses them
I’m Demi and I don’t like hearing about people’s romantic experiences in the bedroom or their happy romantic experiences in general. But I will listen to their romantic problems and sometimes give advice but now it feels silly like who am I to give allo people advice. Especially recently when I know one of my younger coworker/friends was subtly insinuating she didn’t want to end up like me 😢. I was just trying to give advice on how to be understanding and patient and that just because someone is acting like 💩 does not make it okay to do the same to them. She ended up mostly taking my advice but still it’s a lonely experience.