No cuz yunjin really got it but they didnt care about improving her vocals. I think her voice isnt used to pop, but they could train her to it but obviously they don't focus on vocals. Chaewon too, before her redebut she released a Hold my hand cover and her high note improved and sounded fuller but hybe doesnt focus on vocals. I really hope they could give the group more vocals cuz we already know they're great dancers and performerz
Sakura was in HK248 and in jpop, they’re not trained the way kpop idols are trained. She had zero training and then went on to Produce 48. On the show, the gap between training for the Japanese and Korean contestants was already talked about. It seems like whoever was managing IZ*ONE didn’t give her much vocal training either. She definitely improved her dancing between IZ*ONE and Le sserafim. It shows that she focused on dancing more than singing in her training. I agree with Yunjin’s singing but I absolutely love her performance in Into the New World during PD48. It’s what made me a Yunjin stan and what made me most excited for her debut. Eunchae reminds me a lot of Yeri in red velvet. I think it’s just the other members that make her seem like a filler. You have an extremely popular jpop idol, two members who were in a very popular kpop group, classically trained ballet dancer of fifteen years, and an opera singer who was also on a popular survival show. When Garam was in the group, there was at least one other member who was close to her age and was just as inexperienced as she was. I think Chaewon is your bias 😅 she’s my bias too along with Yunjin. You can tell why she is the leader. She definitely carries Lesserafim. When you think of them, you think of Chaewon. I’m so glad HYBE stole her from Woolim!
Sakura is my bias, I love the way she performs, but she definitely needs vocal lessons. Unfortunately, as you said, it seems like vocals are not a priority for Hybe these days, probably because fans themselves don't care that much about vocals. I have to say I agree with all your opinions in this video. This is a good debut on K-tube, I hope to watch more videos from you in the future!
same as a sakura fan im not gonna sit here an say that her voice is great cus its not, i agree that her voice needs some serious vocal training but i still love her none the less
Idk, but i never include vocals as a priority for idols, if you are looking for good singer, a soloist would be a good option. If you're looking for good dancer, well Street Woman Fighter is the place you seek. You stan idol group because of their personality & teamwork, other skill like singing or dancing is a bonus. Even if the said idol is bad at singing & dancing, if they work hard to improve, sincere enough to acknowledge their weaknesses, confident enough to do what they do best, I mean this is exactly why Sakura is my bias, PD48 is the perfect example of her journey of improvement.
@@erdndi PREACH! I don't understand why it's so hard for stans to decipher idols aren't meant to be JUST singers/rappers/dancers, they're meant to be PERFORMERS
@@xiaorina yes, thank you, same case with Rap in kpop song, if fans going to dissed idols for their rapping, they should join Show Me The Money instead. And what sad is, anti fans often use skill issue as a weapon to discriminate the members they don't like.
I pretty much agree with everything here. Never was really a fan of Eunchae or Sakura, Kazuha has been kinda that middle ground with great dancing. Chaewon is the most well-rounded, and Yunjin is an amazing vocalist with good stage presence. Also agree with last take. Poppy music doesn't suit them too well(also I think Flash Forward is their most underrated song I love it so much). As long as the next album has more tracks like Perfect Night, Impurities, Flash Forward, and the Fearless album, Le Sserafim should be in a solid spot.
I would agree with some of these but Eunchae is a really good dancer, especially seen in their run bts dance cover and her charisma adds alot to the groups image.
But still it is not like she is an OURSTANDING dancer, not that good of a vocalist and can't rap. An idol should be pretty solid at least in one of these and she isn't in neither. Same goes with Sakura and maybe Kazuha.
I did not even know that Hybe has been focusing more on visuals lately lol, well I guess that makes sense when you look at Ru Nexts Wonhee and them eliminating Nayoung from dream academy, nice video agree with what you said, They are probably gonna make more songs like perfect night like you said. I do love the loud music tho its what introduced me to them, especially when its paired with great choreo.
Well Nayoung is a special case. She spoke about her interest in being a soloist in the future and her fear of taking a spot from another girl, but then leaving to go solo. They probably didn’t want to risk putting her in the group, just for her to leave.
In perfect night era, they sang live quite a bit and all the members were doing better vocally wis, including Sakura. I don’t know if they had special training because of how they were criticised for their vocals during their debut period, but I’m glad hybe and/or the members have been paying attention to it.
I think Eungchae brings personality and charisma to the group, she's definitely not useless. The group group doesn't promote only on music shows but also in varieties, and I feel like she is far from being a dance hole in the group. As far from Sakura, yeah she is not a vocalist at all, but she developed a lot as a dancer, I feel like that could've been mentioned. Sometimes she can outdance Kazuha. Also, she is a strong vocalist. And musically, I don't want another Unforgiven, but neighter a boring midtempo R&B. EP&BW and Antifragile are their picks, besides the rock inspired songs, that's what we want
And what happens after their variety show guestings end? That's right, they still make music. Your take is pointless because no matter how many times you make excuses, they will always look like fools for selling their music yet not a single member is a decent nor a standout vocalist, not even single member can rap even if its based on idol caregoty, nit even a aingle member is giid dancer, all mid. Don't get me started with the "they write" their own music". Because I have seen a lot of their bts recordings & NOT a single member is a giod lyricist, songwriter, composer, producer & director.
I have the same opinion about their discography. Like their "noise music" is not so bad, but it's getting annoying very quickly. That's way I love their besides like impurities, blue flame and sour grapes so much more.
tbh eunchae was a filler member at the beginning but she shines after garam left. she developed her dancing skills and even members admitted she’s the best dancer nowadays. you can clearly see this in perfect night era, she was shining and she brought one of the best performances. i think there’s a reason why soumu let her debut so young. eunchae has a really big potential and she developed a lot since debut, i’m pretty sure she’ll be really big once she grows up.
Music is what they sell here,her tone in singing nor raping can't even save her career. All she does is act cure, put on a fake persona & call it a day. If y'all really love the bare minimum, then that's on you. I'm sorry.
eunchae is good, but imo not good enough to be a professional idol. she lacks a lot of stamina and breath control. tbh hybe could have trained her a bit more before debuting her in lsrfm
i think you need to consider how jpop idol and when she was in iz*one not have proper training and singing for a long time not having proper guide it might be damage her vocal tone or the habit singing she familiar, its hard to change suddenly.i can say sakura improving now that she's in hybe. she might not be a good singer now but i trully respect how sakura grow as a performer.
ok ok sakura is an exception we get it people have said it a million times... but what about eunchae and kazuha. When 3/5 of the members cant sing, its concerning
@@sof5611 cant sing are you deaf or what? u think every idols sing like beyonce? u hit a note u hit a tone u can sing anyone can sing/yeah they are not consider GOOD singers but KPOP is much deeper than u think if u think its just SINGING then ur fckedup. kpop is culture to them sing dance perform variety fanservice etc.. thats why kpop have position main vocal dancer some are visual some are good in variety some are good communicating to fans. if u just want SINGING idol just go for ballad group or group build for vocals.u dont need to question other group if its not for your taste no need to hate. thats why many talented trainee who can SING was not popular or debut why?? KPOP is deeper than u think. u need some charisma to attract fans u need some presence to stand out other if UR JUST CLAIMING SINGING IS JUST A FACTOR u will not enioy kpop buddy. not all fans stan their idol bcoz they can SING, SINGING is just 1 OF MANY FACTOR in kpop buddy.
@@sof5611 and concerning? WHO ARE YOU TO CONCERN? buddy iif you really a fan and following them ur not saying this bcoz they doing good. i think u should focus on ur own life FIRST than worrying about therm. end of the day our stan not gonna feed us.
With all due respect, you're not a professionaly trained dancer. Kazuha is only professionally tained in ballet but when it comes to urban hiphop, she's still in the middle. Actually, not a single member is a standout dancer, they're all good in idol dancing level but never in the open style. Afaik, all members are low-mid tier 7.
Just need to tell you that whilst Hyunjin is singing in a classical style in that first clip she is in fact not singing opera. In the second clip she is, but Think Of Me is a musical song in a legit/classical singing style but still not completely classical, but there is also very much a different between classical music and opera stylistically
Idk why some of yall is like sakura didn't have vocal training in izone bc yea no fucking shit its a 2 years contract with frequent comebacks where do u see the time for vocal training. And then there's ppl saying omg sakura deserve better while she's in tears in the studio asking for less lines.
If a KPOP singer is not a soloist, then it is not important how their solo voice sounds. Momo of Twice was not a good singer but she was well regarded as a group member. There have been many such. Why pick on one?
honestly i think eunchae is a great dancer, shes def one of the best in the group. her vocals arent amazing but she does have a unique tone that stands out and she has potential to be a good singer
Y’all say she’s biased but she’s spilling facts. Ik maybe it’s ‘brutal’ to call eunchae a filler member but it’s literally even the video’s title. Yes she can be good at dancing but considering whole industry it’s normal, in her group it’s really good tho. Her vocals to. She definitely brings something to the group with her cuteness and personality but she’s not best in anything. Maybe it’s a little brutal but let’s be honest she is not the best dancer, she’s not the best vocalist and not the best rapper. I LOVE eunchae and she’s my bias wrecker. But it’s just true. Plus she wasn’t biased towards chaewon cuz it’s literally the truth. And about Sakura, let’s be honest you can hear she’s not stable and I feel bad for her bc she says it herself. She’s not confident in vocals so she can’t improve at all bc she’s unsure. I do think this video is really true.
I can agree with most of these the only thing that bothers me is bring up sakuras 12 years as and idol but we know most if not half of it was in jpop. We were told they where given no training. But besides that and I don’t fully think eunchae is filler but yeah mostly right.
Things carrying Lesserafim: Good music, previous popularity of majority of members, visuals and kinda good stage presence. Didn't say vocals because only Yunjin mostly carries them during them singing live.
calling eunchae a ‘filler’ is honestly wild to me. eunchae has proven in multiple stages and covers that she is a top dancer in lesserafim. the fimmies themselves have said she is their main dancer. her stage presence is still undeniably good even if it’s not the best of the group. she’s also a pretty fair vocalist, top three in lesserafim. she has proven to be an okay rapper considering she doesn’t have a rapper position in lesserafim. all in all she is a top three dancer, vocalist, and rapper in lesserafim. calling her a ‘filler member’ specifically because she has a bright and bubbly personality is weird. i feel like nobody would really be calling her that if she had a more bland and mature character. let’s stop attacking idols with actual personality by calling them untalented. it’s weird to speak on an idol you so obviously didn’t research on!
mmmm yeah even if she is top three, there is a HUGE gap between her and yunjin&chaewon. Yeah she's good at dancing and stage presence, but all of the lesserafim members have that, and she certainly isn't the best out of the group. Y'all consider "rapping" as just saying words quickly in a swag way-- actual rapping contains more talent than it meets the eye. Pick up anyone in the world, give them a few rapping lessons, and they could probably do as well as Eunchae. She's an MC and goes on reality shows and shows where she can display her personality. Because a part of the kpop industry is fan service & personality. (But having a personality doesn't make up for lacking talent). In the end of the day, the main core of kpop is singing & vocals because we LISTEN to it-- dancing, rapping, personality, visuals are all glitter and extra bonus points that if a group is lacking it, it isn't that detrimental. When 3/5 members can't sing (or rap), it is not good.
Considering the blunt criticism about the vocal difficulties of a majority of the members, isn’t “noise music” kind of perfect for hiding these weaknesses? Thank you for the video!❤
When did she even rap lol Also just bc she's the 3rd best in le sserafim doesn't mean she's good her parts are always literally almost just talking she never actually sang if u get what I mean But it's true her dancing is definitely good
@@leenoo1700 she has rapped in swan song, smart, probably other songs i cant remember and she raps in almost all of their covers. and she does sing in their parts, also u can look at the mc stages shes done. she doesn’t really ‘sing’ in her tts cause she’s not really given lines like that. if u listen to their bsides like fire in the belly and jewelry u can see she sings really well
The video’s title says “brutal unpopular opinions” it’s not about biases , they’re talking abt the honest truth, read the title before making dumb comments like this
@@irurisu71 I guess you didnt watch the whole video towards the end the creator asks us to guess their Le sserafim bias. Log off, touch some grass, visit a therapist before you go around being randomly mean to strangers onlienb
I need y’all to know about people before giving your opinion before you even posted the videos I already knew which clips you were gonna use cause that’s all you guys do. Sakura didn’t get actual training till she joined hybe and mind you they only trained sixth months before debut. Plus Sakura isn’t the lead or main vocalist so I don’t know why y’all love to judge her as if shes meant to have this incredible vocal many groups have their designated vocalists and Sakura isn’t LSF’s she bring stage presence and amazing dancing and facial expressions to the group. EunChae: again if y’all actually did y’all research and not get your info from twitter where LSF is the mosted hated 4th gen you’d know EC is one of the best dancers in the group she’s literally lead dancer material, she’s also got good stage presence and her chemistry matches the rest of the girls. Again she’s not the lead or main vocalist it doesn’t matter if she’s not the best vocalist. She’s the 3rd best vocalist in the group and she’s far filler members Zuha: once AGAIN! If you knew anything you’d know Zuha’s the least talented in the group dance wise (only in LSF she’s still out dancing a lot of other 4th gen gps) when are y’all gonna learn just cause she did ballet doesn’t automatically make her the best dancer. Ballet and hip hop which Kpop choreos are heavily based off are very too different things. Just cause they’re both dance style doesn’t mean she’s auto the best same way a swimmer is not gonna auto be the best football player just cause they’re both sports. And Zuha being the last in the group makes sense she only trained 6months it’s very difficult to transition from ballet to hip-hop it takes a lot of people years to be able to even do it sort code for Cooper to do it within six months is a very impressive but again she’s not the best dancer in the group no second or third lawful in this group she is the last. Only one who’s main dancer worthy is Chaewon & EC cutting it close Chaewon & Yunjin: are surprisingly the only two you actual got something right about. You can claim you’re a Fearnot or whatever but simply from this video it’s clair you don’t know much about the girls or their talents. You’re spitting the same nonsense (no offence) people were back during their debut era and it’s so clear to see that you’re very much still stuck there based on your opinions on the members. Antifragile suited the girls very well it’s literally why they were able to make a comeback from the scandal. LSF are a versatile group and can adapt to any concept you give them. Unforgiven wasn’t their best song but both it and Antifragile fits them just as well as perfect night, blue flame, fire in the belly, Fearnots and any song they’ve done. p.s you can need to stop taking what people say on Twitter as fact there’s not one group under hybe that can’t sing everyone hates hybe artist and chat so much shit and y’all eat it up like it’s facts. Yes not everyone in all the groups are amazing singers but new flash that Kpop it’s always been like that and that why vocalist isn’t the only position. Kpop idols are artist or musicians their idols dancing, stage presence, facial expressions, chemistry synchronisation etc ARE JUST as important as vocals. So I don’t know why y’all love to shit on hybe groups cause not every single member aren’t freaking Whitney Houston, when y’all would turn around stan listen and vibe with a none hybe group who are the same. Please do research before talking on LSF again we’re tired of y’all saying the same bs using the same 3clips cause it’s radio silence during the performances where they’re singing live and actually sound good. Instead y’all spread your annoying encoure clips to justify your nonsense as if the other three LSF yes Sakura included aren’t improving. Like y’all posting of video of Sakura when she’s been crying cause the members just surprised her for her birthday which landed on the 2day of their first tour as a group, but won’t post other clips from that same concert cause she sounds good and doesn’t fit your narrative. If y’all not even gonna try to be fair just leave Lesserafim alone. And I don’t care if you stan them cause most you multis who stan LSF are ALWAYS iffy & say shady thing and would throw the under the bus the first moment you get. And no it’s has nothing to do cause you’re speaking the truth. I’m the first to say Sakura doesn’t have the best vocals and that’s fine she’s getting real training and is improving a lil bit more everytime. And straight up lying that EC can’t dance and is a filler member is a joke and you guys don’t even know what you’re talking about.
There are other idols that also didn't have proper or any vocal training but have improved, Sakura has show minimal vocal improvement despite her time in the industry, I do agree with you that she has probably damaged her voice and it will be hard for her to change her bad habits but people don't expect her to become the best vocalist, just for her to have somewhat decent vocals
ok wikipedia...let me get this straight: you are a fearnot and are blinded by the love you have for lesserafim. Therefore whenever someone brings up the truth about a member and their talent, you justify their lack of talent and then claim that they are really talented at the same time?? I agree with some of what you said, but not all. Eunchae: Yeah ok but everyone in the group is good at dancing. And her dancing is not not anything spectacular. You literally said "Again she’s not the lead or main vocalist it doesn’t matter if she’s not the best vocalist. She’s the 3rd best vocalist in the group." Like stop contradicting yourself, one sentence you say that she doesn't have a main-lead vocal position and therefore it doesn't matter that she's the best...BUT THEN in the next sentence you say that she is the 3rd best vocalist, because being the top-3 in something makes someone seem like they are really good at singing. Yeah, even if you claim that she's the 3rd best, there is a HUUUUUGE gap between her and chaewon&yunjin. Like she's not even close to their level. Sakura: Yadda yadda yadda....ok she can't sing, we get it. She even claims it herself and wants less lines, while fearnots are out there crying "Sakura is given no lines!! Give sakura less lines! She's being mistreated." I'm totally fine with having 1/5 members not being able to sing. But having 3/5 members not being able to sing is horrible. Zuha: I agree with pretty much everything you said about her. Chaewon & Yunjin: ""are surprisingly the only two you actual got something right about."" Yeah, the only members that the video graciously praised. Like omg, Chaewon & Yunjin are actually talented. p.s: I don't use twitter ok. Plus when most of the memebrs are actually tone-deaf, it aint that nice. And no, you aren't the first to say that sakura is a bad singer, everybody knows it ok. And we aint lying about Eunchae being a filler member. You just can't handle anyone saying too many negative things about your favs
What if.....Yunjin,Kazuha and Chaewon debut? If there's a flawed memeber,it's fine cuz others can carry the team and there won't be any obvious stains.But too much flawed members in one group makes a bad image for the group
Kazuha? She's also flawed imo, sakura's a better dancer(in terms of kpop dancing) and eunchae's a better singer and dancer. The 5 of them work pretty well, since Kazuha, Sakura and Eunchae have redeeming qualities
ok tbh, even when she's talking her voice is unstable. I have a far-fetched theory, but my mom's friend did multiple nose-jobs and her voice is kind of strained and more squeaky than it was before. In general rhinoplasty does change your voice by a bit.
I disagree i feel like unforgiven and anti fragile suited the group more further more the songs were perfectly in range for them where as fearless and easy were a bit too low range tillthisday i think antifragile album was the best.
I agree with the most opinions but I think eunchse brings A LOT to the group. She has a great personality and brings very good vibes and I think her dancing is underrated. Same for Sakura, her dancing Is very good too just that the whole group is really good at dancing
No cuz yunjin really got it but they didnt care about improving her vocals. I think her voice isnt used to pop, but they could train her to it but obviously they don't focus on vocals. Chaewon too, before her redebut she released a Hold my hand cover and her high note improved and sounded fuller but hybe doesnt focus on vocals. I really hope they could give the group more vocals cuz we already know they're great dancers and performerz
Sakura was in HK248 and in jpop, they’re not trained the way kpop idols are trained. She had zero training and then went on to Produce 48. On the show, the gap between training for the Japanese and Korean contestants was already talked about. It seems like whoever was managing IZ*ONE didn’t give her much vocal training either. She definitely improved her dancing between IZ*ONE and Le sserafim. It shows that she focused on dancing more than singing in her training.
I agree with Yunjin’s singing but I absolutely love her performance in Into the New World during PD48. It’s what made me a Yunjin stan and what made me most excited for her debut.
Eunchae reminds me a lot of Yeri in red velvet. I think it’s just the other members that make her seem like a filler. You have an extremely popular jpop idol, two members who were in a very popular kpop group, classically trained ballet dancer of fifteen years, and an opera singer who was also on a popular survival show.
When Garam was in the group, there was at least one other member who was close to her age and was just as inexperienced as she was.
I think Chaewon is your bias 😅 she’s my bias too along with Yunjin. You can tell why she is the leader. She definitely carries Lesserafim. When you think of them, you think of Chaewon. I’m so glad HYBE stole her from Woolim!
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Sakura is my bias, I love the way she performs, but she definitely needs vocal lessons. Unfortunately, as you said, it seems like vocals are not a priority for Hybe these days, probably because fans themselves don't care that much about vocals.
I have to say I agree with all your opinions in this video. This is a good debut on K-tube, I hope to watch more videos from you in the future!
same as a sakura fan im not gonna sit here an say that her voice is great cus its not, i agree that her voice needs some serious vocal training but i still love her none the less
Vocals were never a priority for bighit lol
Idk, but i never include vocals as a priority for idols, if you are looking for good singer, a soloist would be a good option. If you're looking for good dancer, well Street Woman Fighter is the place you seek.
You stan idol group because of their personality & teamwork, other skill like singing or dancing is a bonus. Even if the said idol is bad at singing & dancing, if they work hard to improve, sincere enough to acknowledge their weaknesses, confident enough to do what they do best, I mean this is exactly why Sakura is my bias, PD48 is the perfect example of her journey of improvement.
@@erdndi PREACH! I don't understand why it's so hard for stans to decipher idols aren't meant to be JUST singers/rappers/dancers, they're meant to be PERFORMERS
@@xiaorina yes, thank you, same case with Rap in kpop song, if fans going to dissed idols for their rapping, they should join Show Me The Money instead.
And what sad is, anti fans often use skill issue as a weapon to discriminate the members they don't like.
I pretty much agree with everything here. Never was really a fan of Eunchae or Sakura, Kazuha has been kinda that middle ground with great dancing. Chaewon is the most well-rounded, and Yunjin is an amazing vocalist with good stage presence. Also agree with last take. Poppy music doesn't suit them too well(also I think Flash Forward is their most underrated song I love it so much). As long as the next album has more tracks like Perfect Night, Impurities, Flash Forward, and the Fearless album, Le Sserafim should be in a solid spot.
Sakura has a lot of charms, it’s hard not to be a fan of her
Another reason Sakura is good is she takes care of the group like the mother she is, Without her, her children will be running around the place😂
I would agree with some of these but Eunchae is a really good dancer, especially seen in their run bts dance cover and her charisma adds alot to the groups image.
But still it is not like she is an OURSTANDING dancer, not that good of a vocalist and can't rap. An idol should be pretty solid at least in one of these and she isn't in neither. Same goes with Sakura and maybe Kazuha.
I did not even know that Hybe has been focusing more on visuals lately lol, well I guess that makes sense when you look at Ru Nexts Wonhee and them eliminating Nayoung from dream academy, nice video agree with what you said, They are probably gonna make more songs like perfect night like you said. I do love the loud music tho its what introduced me to them, especially when its paired with great choreo.
Well Nayoung is a special case. She spoke about her interest in being a soloist in the future and her fear of taking a spot from another girl, but then leaving to go solo. They probably didn’t want to risk putting her in the group, just for her to leave.
In perfect night era, they sang live quite a bit and all the members were doing better vocally wis, including Sakura. I don’t know if they had special training because of how they were criticised for their vocals during their debut period, but I’m glad hybe and/or the members have been paying attention to it.
perfect night was a high pitched song. it seems that the girls are more comfortable with high registers than low ones.
I think Eungchae brings personality and charisma to the group, she's definitely not useless. The group group doesn't promote only on music shows but also in varieties, and I feel like she is far from being a dance hole in the group. As far from Sakura, yeah she is not a vocalist at all, but she developed a lot as a dancer, I feel like that could've been mentioned. Sometimes she can outdance Kazuha. Also, she is a strong vocalist. And musically, I don't want another Unforgiven, but neighter a boring midtempo R&B. EP&BW and Antifragile are their picks, besides the rock inspired songs, that's what we want
And what happens after their variety show guestings end? That's right, they still make music. Your take is pointless because no matter how many times you make excuses, they will always look like fools for selling their music yet not a single member is a decent nor a standout vocalist, not even single member can rap even if its based on idol caregoty, nit even a aingle member is giid dancer, all mid. Don't get me started with the "they write" their own music". Because I have seen a lot of their bts recordings & NOT a single member is a giod lyricist, songwriter, composer, producer & director.
I have the same opinion about their discography. Like their "noise music" is not so bad, but it's getting annoying very quickly. That's way I love their besides like impurities, blue flame and sour grapes so much more.
girl learn the names of different music genres whats noise music
@@kkura09709 girl teach me then
@@polinalapchic1017 not for free look up a video on here they’ll do better than i ever will
tbh eunchae was a filler member at the beginning but she shines after garam left. she developed her dancing skills and even members admitted she’s the best dancer nowadays. you can clearly see this in perfect night era, she was shining and she brought one of the best performances. i think there’s a reason why soumu let her debut so young. eunchae has a really big potential and she developed a lot since debut, i’m pretty sure she’ll be really big once she grows up.
NO EXACTLY!!! When Garam was still in lesserafim, she was the member i cared least about.
Music is what they sell here,her tone in singing nor raping can't even save her career. All she does is act cure, put on a fake persona & call it a day. If y'all really love the bare minimum, then that's on you. I'm sorry.
eunchae is good, but imo not good enough to be a professional idol. she lacks a lot of stamina and breath control. tbh hybe could have trained her a bit more before debuting her in lsrfm
I Lowkey wanna see ur opinion on nmixx cuz most of your takes are very true
When Yunjin did that musical, I didn't even know it was her!
When Sakura sang, I am like,"GIRL! CAN'T U SING! IK U CAN SING!".
i think you need to consider how jpop idol and when she was in iz*one not have proper training and singing for a long time not having proper guide it might be damage her vocal tone or the habit singing she familiar, its hard to change suddenly.i can say sakura improving now that she's in hybe. she might not be a good singer now but i trully respect how sakura grow as a performer.
ok ok sakura is an exception we get it people have said it a million times... but what about eunchae and kazuha. When 3/5 of the members cant sing, its concerning
@@sof5611 cant sing are you deaf or what? u think every idols sing like beyonce? u hit a note u hit a tone u can sing anyone can sing/yeah they are not consider GOOD singers but KPOP is much deeper than u think if u think its just SINGING then ur fckedup. kpop is culture to them sing dance perform variety fanservice etc.. thats why kpop have position main vocal dancer some are visual some are good in variety some are good communicating to fans. if u just want SINGING idol just go for ballad group or group build for vocals.u dont need to question other group if its not for your taste no need to hate. thats why many talented trainee who can SING was not popular or debut why?? KPOP is deeper than u think. u need some charisma to attract fans u need some presence to stand out other if UR JUST CLAIMING SINGING IS JUST A FACTOR u will not enioy kpop buddy. not all fans stan their idol bcoz they can SING, SINGING is just 1 OF MANY FACTOR in kpop buddy.
@@sof5611 and concerning? WHO ARE YOU TO CONCERN? buddy iif you really a fan and following them ur not saying this bcoz they doing good. i think u should focus on ur own life FIRST than worrying about therm. end of the day our stan not gonna feed us.
“Average dancer” when eunchae is literally the best dancer in her group along with Chaewon.. be fr
ok tbh, yunjin, chaewon, and kazuha are all solid dancers, if not better than eunchae
She may be the best in her group but she still is a average dancer outside of le sserafim
With all due respect, you're not a professionaly trained dancer. Kazuha is only professionally tained in ballet but when it comes to urban hiphop, she's still in the middle. Actually, not a single member is a standout dancer, they're all good in idol dancing level but never in the open style. Afaik, all members are low-mid tier 7.
All members of Lesserafim are average dancers though
Just need to tell you that whilst Hyunjin is singing in a classical style in that first clip she is in fact not singing opera. In the second clip she is, but Think Of Me is a musical song in a legit/classical singing style but still not completely classical, but there is also very much a different between classical music and opera stylistically
My girl yunjin be slaying from the start😌💗
Idk why some of yall is like sakura didn't have vocal training in izone bc yea no fucking shit its a 2 years contract with frequent comebacks where do u see the time for vocal training. And then there's ppl saying omg sakura deserve better while she's in tears in the studio asking for less lines.
Agreed
right, i feel like she only started vocal training when she joined hybe
agreeed
and the fans are screaming "GIVE SAKURA MORE LINES!!! SHE GETS NO LINES!!! THEY ARE MISTREATING HER"
@@sof5611 didn't she ask for less lines? anyway i do hope she gets more lines to prove her vocal abilities
@@39myki yeah i was agreeing with the original post + adding on to it
Fans need to hear these things once in a while. Keep it up.
Eunchae is decent dancer she may not be as good as chaewon but she is still decent.
If a KPOP singer is not a soloist, then it is not important how their solo voice sounds. Momo of Twice was not a good singer but she was well regarded as a group member. There have been many such. Why pick on one?
it's funny ur conclusion statement perfectly predicted the 'easy' era
honestly i think eunchae is a great dancer, shes def one of the best in the group. her vocals arent amazing but she does have a unique tone that stands out and she has potential to be a good singer
I REALLY THINK CHILL SONGS SUIT THEM LIKE FEARLESS PERFECT NIGHT AND EASY BUT EVERYONE HATED EASY
Y’all say she’s biased but she’s spilling facts. Ik maybe it’s ‘brutal’ to call eunchae a filler member but it’s literally even the video’s title. Yes she can be good at dancing but considering whole industry it’s normal, in her group it’s really good tho. Her vocals to. She definitely brings something to the group with her cuteness and personality but she’s not best in anything. Maybe it’s a little brutal but let’s be honest she is not the best dancer, she’s not the best vocalist and not the best rapper. I LOVE eunchae and she’s my bias wrecker. But it’s just true. Plus she wasn’t biased towards chaewon cuz it’s literally the truth. And about Sakura, let’s be honest you can hear she’s not stable and I feel bad for her bc she says it herself. She’s not confident in vocals so she can’t improve at all bc she’s unsure. I do think this video is really true.
its brutal only to fearnots...like y'all will go out of your way defending eunchae when she prolly knows herself that she is lacking
My bias is Chaewon and Kazuha
I wonder why they didn't debut Bang Jeemin in RU Next into this group.
Also did you see them performing at blizzcon and the grammy museum what did you think? were they singing live?
they did so well
I can agree with most of these the only thing that bothers me is bring up sakuras 12 years as and idol but we know most if not half of it was in jpop. We were told they where given no training. But besides that and I don’t fully think eunchae is filler but yeah mostly right.
Things carrying Lesserafim: Good music, previous popularity of majority of members, visuals and kinda good stage presence.
Didn't say vocals because only Yunjin mostly carries them during them singing live.
calling eunchae a ‘filler’ is honestly wild to me. eunchae has proven in multiple stages and covers that she is a top dancer in lesserafim. the fimmies themselves have said she is their main dancer. her stage presence is still undeniably good even if it’s not the best of the group. she’s also a pretty fair vocalist, top three in lesserafim. she has proven to be an okay rapper considering she doesn’t have a rapper position in lesserafim. all in all she is a top three dancer, vocalist, and rapper in lesserafim. calling her a ‘filler member’ specifically because she has a bright and bubbly personality is weird. i feel like nobody would really be calling her that if she had a more bland and mature character. let’s stop attacking idols with actual personality by calling them untalented. it’s weird to speak on an idol you so obviously didn’t research on!
TRUE TRUE TRUE
mmmm yeah even if she is top three, there is a HUGE gap between her and yunjin&chaewon. Yeah she's good at dancing and stage presence, but all of the lesserafim members have that, and she certainly isn't the best out of the group.
Y'all consider "rapping" as just saying words quickly in a swag way-- actual rapping contains more talent than it meets the eye. Pick up anyone in the world, give them a few rapping lessons, and they could probably do as well as Eunchae.
She's an MC and goes on reality shows and shows where she can display her personality. Because a part of the kpop industry is fan service & personality. (But having a personality doesn't make up for lacking talent). In the end of the day, the main core of kpop is singing & vocals because we LISTEN to it-- dancing, rapping, personality, visuals are all glitter and extra bonus points that if a group is lacking it, it isn't that detrimental. When 3/5 members can't sing (or rap), it is not good.
Considering the blunt criticism about the vocal difficulties of a majority of the members, isn’t “noise music” kind of perfect for hiding these weaknesses?
Thank you for the video!❤
When did she even rap lol
Also just bc she's the 3rd best in le sserafim doesn't mean she's good her parts are always literally almost just talking she never actually sang if u get what I mean
But it's true her dancing is definitely good
@@leenoo1700 she has rapped in swan song, smart, probably other songs i cant remember and she raps in almost all of their covers. and she does sing in their parts, also u can look at the mc stages shes done. she doesn’t really ‘sing’ in her tts cause she’s not really given lines like that. if u listen to their bsides like fire in the belly and jewelry u can see she sings really well
I think that Yunjin is the it girl of le Serrafim
I think your bias is Kim Chaewon or Kazuha.
The video’s title says “brutal unpopular opinions” it’s not about biases , they’re talking abt the honest truth, read the title before making dumb comments like this
@@irurisu71 I guess you didnt watch the whole video towards the end the creator asks us to guess their Le sserafim bias. Log off, touch some grass, visit a therapist before you go around being randomly mean to strangers onlienb
BYEE I THOUGHT U WERE SAYING THEY WERE BIASED, mb should've watched until the end@@sunsetshimmer5440
@@irurisu71 girl chill. all she thinks is that the creators bias is chaewon or kazuha, she aint bashing anyone.
@@sunsetshimmer5440LMFAOOO 😭😭 "VISIT A THERAPIST" GIRL IM CRYINGVXFHJKFSK
The way I agree 100%
You dropped the facts, again.
I need y’all to know about people before giving your opinion before you even posted the videos I already knew which clips you were gonna use cause that’s all you guys do. Sakura didn’t get actual training till she joined hybe and mind you they only trained sixth months
before debut. Plus Sakura isn’t the lead or main vocalist so I don’t know why y’all love to judge her as if shes meant to have this incredible vocal many groups have their designated vocalists and Sakura isn’t LSF’s she bring stage presence and amazing dancing and facial expressions to the group.
EunChae: again if y’all actually did y’all research and not get your info from twitter where LSF is the mosted hated 4th gen you’d know EC is one of the best dancers in the group she’s literally lead dancer material, she’s also got good stage presence and her chemistry matches the rest of the girls. Again she’s not the lead or main vocalist it doesn’t matter if she’s not the best vocalist. She’s the 3rd best vocalist in the group and she’s far filler members
Zuha: once AGAIN! If you knew anything you’d know Zuha’s the least talented in the group dance wise (only in LSF she’s still out dancing a lot of other 4th gen gps) when are y’all gonna learn just cause she did ballet doesn’t automatically make her the best dancer. Ballet and hip hop which Kpop choreos are heavily based off are very too different things. Just cause they’re both dance style doesn’t mean she’s auto the best same way a swimmer is not gonna auto be the best football player just cause they’re both sports. And Zuha being the last in the group makes sense she only trained 6months it’s very difficult to transition from ballet to hip-hop it takes a lot of people years to be able to even do it sort code for Cooper to do it within six months is a very impressive but again she’s not the best dancer in the group no second or third lawful in this group she is the last. Only one who’s main dancer worthy is Chaewon & EC cutting it close
Chaewon & Yunjin: are surprisingly the only two you actual got something right about. You can claim you’re a Fearnot or whatever but simply from this video it’s clair you don’t know much about the girls or their talents. You’re spitting the same nonsense (no offence) people were back during their debut era and it’s so clear to see that you’re very much still stuck there based on your opinions on the members. Antifragile suited the girls very well it’s literally why they were able to make a comeback from the scandal. LSF are a versatile group and can adapt to any concept you give them. Unforgiven wasn’t their best song but both it and Antifragile fits them just as well as perfect night, blue flame, fire in the belly, Fearnots and any song they’ve done.
p.s you can need to stop taking what people say on Twitter as fact there’s not one group under hybe that can’t sing everyone hates hybe artist and chat so much shit and y’all eat it up like it’s facts. Yes not everyone in all the groups are amazing singers but new flash that Kpop it’s always been like that and that why vocalist isn’t the only position. Kpop idols are artist or musicians their idols dancing, stage presence, facial expressions, chemistry synchronisation etc ARE JUST as important as vocals. So I don’t know why y’all love to shit on hybe groups cause not every single member aren’t freaking Whitney Houston, when y’all would turn around stan listen and vibe with a none hybe group who are the same. Please do research before talking on LSF again we’re tired of y’all saying the same bs using the same 3clips cause it’s radio silence during the performances where they’re singing live and actually sound good. Instead y’all spread your annoying encoure clips to justify your nonsense as if the other three LSF yes Sakura included aren’t improving. Like y’all posting of video of Sakura when she’s been crying cause the members just surprised her for her birthday which landed on the 2day of their first tour as a group, but won’t post other clips from that same concert cause she sounds good and doesn’t fit your narrative. If y’all not even gonna try to be fair just leave Lesserafim alone. And I don’t care if you stan them cause most you multis who stan LSF are ALWAYS iffy & say shady thing and would throw the under the bus the first moment you get. And no it’s has nothing to do cause you’re speaking the truth. I’m the first to say Sakura doesn’t have the best vocals and that’s fine she’s getting real training and is improving a lil bit more everytime. And straight up lying that EC can’t dance and is a filler member is a joke and you guys don’t even know what you’re talking about.
There are other idols that also didn't have proper or any vocal training but have improved, Sakura has show minimal vocal improvement despite her time in the industry, I do agree with you that she has probably damaged her voice and it will be hard for her to change her bad habits but people don't expect her to become the best vocalist, just for her to have somewhat decent vocals
ok wikipedia...let me get this straight: you are a fearnot and are blinded by the love you have for lesserafim. Therefore whenever someone brings up the truth about a member and their talent, you justify their lack of talent and then claim that they are really talented at the same time?? I agree with some of what you said, but not all.
Eunchae: Yeah ok but everyone in the group is good at dancing. And her dancing is not not anything spectacular. You literally said "Again she’s not the lead or main vocalist it doesn’t matter if she’s not the best vocalist. She’s the 3rd best vocalist in the group." Like stop contradicting yourself, one sentence you say that she doesn't have a main-lead vocal position and therefore it doesn't matter that she's the best...BUT THEN in the next sentence you say that she is the 3rd best vocalist, because being the top-3 in something makes someone seem like they are really good at singing. Yeah, even if you claim that she's the 3rd best, there is a HUUUUUGE gap between her and chaewon&yunjin. Like she's not even close to their level.
Sakura: Yadda yadda yadda....ok she can't sing, we get it. She even claims it herself and wants less lines, while fearnots are out there crying "Sakura is given no lines!! Give sakura less lines! She's being mistreated." I'm totally fine with having 1/5 members not being able to sing. But having 3/5 members not being able to sing is horrible.
Zuha: I agree with pretty much everything you said about her.
Chaewon & Yunjin: ""are surprisingly the only two you actual got something right about."" Yeah, the only members that the video graciously praised. Like omg, Chaewon & Yunjin are actually talented.
p.s: I don't use twitter ok. Plus when most of the memebrs are actually tone-deaf, it aint that nice. And no, you aren't the first to say that sakura is a bad singer, everybody knows it ok. And we aint lying about Eunchae being a filler member. You just can't handle anyone saying too many negative things about your favs
Yunjin’s case surprisingly makes me so sad.
About chaewon was 100% right
What if.....Yunjin,Kazuha and Chaewon debut?
If there's a flawed memeber,it's fine cuz others can carry the team and there won't be any obvious stains.But too much flawed members in one group makes a bad image for the group
Kazuha? I'd argue she's also flawed
@@greenthinggg But she has Ballet.She could be the filler member.
Bruh
Kazuha? She's also flawed imo, sakura's a better dancer(in terms of kpop dancing) and eunchae's a better singer and dancer. The 5 of them work pretty well, since Kazuha, Sakura and Eunchae have redeeming qualities
@@unicorn_xxx3424 agreed people only think she's a better dancer just because she used to do ballet like cmon now
The reason why must people think Sakura is a “bad singer” she’s honestly not she just doesn’t have good confidence so it makes her voice unstable
ok tbh, even when she's talking her voice is unstable.
I have a far-fetched theory, but my mom's friend did multiple nose-jobs and her voice is kind of strained and more squeaky than it was before. In general rhinoplasty does change your voice by a bit.
@@sof5611 oh dang
Sometimes no matter how a person trains or try’s…They have no talent in singing,just CaNNOT sing. Ofc there’s some who train and get better.
for sakura she doesn't have the best confidence but her voice is also shaky but she sing very well
i wouldnt say very well, id say average but its still great
y'all are more tone deaf than she is
I thinj your bias is Chaewon but I agree about most things except the last one
Slay girllll
I disagree i feel like unforgiven and anti fragile suited the group more further more the songs were perfectly in range for them where as fearless and easy were a bit too low range tillthisday i think antifragile album was the best.
I agree with the most opinions but I think eunchse brings A LOT to the group. She has a great personality and brings very good vibes and I think her dancing is underrated. Same for Sakura, her dancing Is very good too just that the whole group is really good at dancing
Is your bias Chaewon?
Oh wow I m first
kazuha isn't even main dancer, maybe do more research first!
Well you clearly have no taste,no hate just my opinion