You can see the fan speed at the top right corner of my screen. I use a custom fan curve that is a little bit more noisy but keep the mini under 70c. With my headset i don’t hear it at all. Without it it’s a small breeze. Apple prefers silence and so by default the fan stays quiet. It will reach 102c and downclock (meaning loss of performance/frames) before ramping up the fan. The fan is quite noisy so Apple is careful with ramping it up at the expensive of the silicon getting baked. A downside of a mini pc.
@@WybremGaming omg why you don't add that information in previous videos. I thought something is wrong with my unit becouse it was reaching 100 degrees
@@khotshoty1575 I'm starting to talk for the first time in my last few videos, still learning what is useful to say, and a little nervous, but ye in future i will be yapping about stuff like that, thanks for the feedback. I use TG Pro for custom fan curves, paid software.
@@WybremGamingthanks for info. Om a bit sensitive for that. But I noticed that you run the game unlocked in FPS..if your screen is a 60hz screen you could actually lock WOW to 60 FPS. Then the mini wouldn't be pressured as much and would probably just hover a lot lower in temp with our the fans ramping.
@@MartinHN81 that is true, tho it still will ramp up fans in modern places especially cities. i have it unlocked so people can see what the maximum performance is, with a 120hz cap due to monitor settings,
The Classic seems to run alright but the Retail version mucks up the keybindings and the fps is more fiddly. I’m using the M4 Pro. I might be able to edit the WTF file but better be careful between Windows and MacOS settings as the keyboards are different. I didn’t hear any fan but it did get warm. I may not have noticed when fiddling with graphics settings. I’m a bit rusty with MacOS.
I have tested it but the M4 is not powerful enough, you need the M4 Pro 20core for that res. I play on 7/10 2580x1080p and even then sometimes I drop below 60 in newer cities.
@@Minnka_ I would not hold my breath. The M4 Pro 20core is double my mini M4. That is what you'd need today. It took apple 4 years to get m1 Pro performance on the M4 now, so come M8 you should have M4 pro performance in this power envelope. By then the game will be more demanding. For gaming, the Pro chip will always be the way to go.
@@WybremGaming Honestly, the price for 20core M4 is ridicolous. Sure can be justified if someone is for example freelancer and does use computer for work, but for gaming alone? Not really a sensible investment.
Yup, got many more videos and many more to come. It's very capable of gaming -- especially at 1080p. Ofc it's not a gaming pc but considering it's size...
Hey, thanks for the video. There is another game from Warcraft universe - Warcraft Rumble, and it recently has been released on Windows. There is native macOS version of it as well, taken from iPadOS. Since it's free to download, would it be possible that you make a vid with Rumble? I just wonder how it compares to Windows version, and can't find a single vid of someone playing it on mac, best regards.
how long can you play for on the m4? been looking for a pc/laptop replacement for games like wow n factorio. Hopefully this device can withstand 4-8 hour sessions
As long as I like but I use a custom fan curve with TGpro, so it never gets hotter than 65c or so. Wow is much more demanding than Factorio. However never buy a mac with the purpose of gaming only.
$599 for a base tiny box that can play wow is really tantalizing. Looking for something to replace desktop/laptop game in the living room off tv and this device seems too good to be true. Something must be right because it’s sold out in my entire province.
In raid not sure but I've made videos of walking around in Valdrakken and Boralus at 1440p. The base M4 is best used as a 1080p gaming machine. For comfy 1440 wow you need the M4 Pro.
@@WybremGaming i saw your Videos, but you only changed the rendering scaling to 1440p while having 1080p resolution set.. I suppose the performance would be even worse with the r1440p resolution.
@@LetsMiXx no, render scale = 1439p meaning it's 1p of true 1440p. The gpu has to work as if it's 1440p and then downscale to 1080p so if anything it works a bit harder. But my resolution is not high enough to display power draw gadget as well if I set the window to 1440p. We need a better more advanced OSD in MacOS. In fact I've tried full screen 3440x1440p myself and it runs ofc worse than 1440p as it's wider but still impressive considering it's power draw.
ye by default the mac mini is on high power mode, thermals are good because I use a custom fan curve with TG Pro (Paid app). Without it, it gets hot before it ramps up the fans which may still result in dropped performance. I don't mind the noise with my own curve, it's still quieter than my gaming pc without running anything lmao. It sits around 60-65c in wow now.
my default was set on normal so I set it to high power. I’m not currently run a fan app as of yet. I upgraded from a m1 mini to a m4 pro mini and comparing thermals. M1 never reached the temps this new one has. I know the new design would possibly reach higher temps with the new smaller design.
That's not a bad performance. Tho, is not a very intensive situation as that raid is only 15 ppl and in a very small room. Try it in a world boss with 40+ people around. Tuesday would be the best day because is when world bosses are packed. You can just do the ones in Tanaris for the event. Regardless. still pretty good considering is all settings maxed even if is a small raid.
How did you record sound? or what software you used for it? btw, it looks impresive from my M1 to that M4, looks big leap, would be cool if you try the 3 Aniversary bosses on Tanaris, which can be gather a bunch of people if you wont Q for LFR -Palace raid, also the weekly world boss could be cool to see, aah! if you can try, there is a weak point for Mac or at least for my M1 and a friend with M2, fights where are poison or similar on field and change your UI with poison like fight as Amildrasil , Nymue, it generates a bunch of particles that drops drastically the FPS, also the Council on Palace Raid, (TWW) has the same issue when the Spider start hitting the ground arround the field , even if i'm not step on the spider web my FPS drops a lot, if you could test that would be cool! so i can see difference in power between these chips on those issues , if you can test with 7 or above graffics could be cool (higher) and if you can try Liquied Details at lowest setting, (that consumes alot )Thaks!!
Hi, great question, by default you can record with Quicktime but it doesn't capture your Mac's sound. So I use Claquette, available in the AppStore -- to export video you need to pay, it was 17.99 I believe. Worth every euro for me. I also have videos from my M1 Macbook air and ye the graphical performance in theory is double but due to cooling of the mini vs no cooling of the air is often triple. And yes I will do a video about the bosses, a fellow commenter mentioned I should do it Tuesday because there will be a ton of people and a giant lag fest guaranteed lol. I don't have TTW expansion so I can't test anything there (yet). I will buy it if it's on sale. Thanks for the comment!
@@user-mb3nm5nj1p My current score is 0 -- I don't own retail wow anymore lmao. Legion was great but all xpac after that sucked massive dick. I stopped buying after BFA.
I have, they are on my channel, cyberpunk, gta v, shadow of the tomb raider tomorrow many many are online already. let me know if you have a specific game in mind
That's not actually true. A game "engine" is not a static monolithic thing and its many components, tools, APIs, shaders, mesh density, texture quality, lighting systems etc... have been continually upgraded over the past 20 years.
@@tronam it is showing it's age tho, even on my pc it barely uses cpu resources, only 1-3 cores, cyberpunk uses every core you have up to 16 or so. true modern engine.
I have the Mac m4 . Jesus ! its not the whole grail of gaming like people make it looks so lmao . The gpu is as powerful as a very old gtx 1060. Launched like 10 years ago . The cpu is powerfull but the gpu is very weak. I played dota2 at max at 1440p and I was getting around 70 fps but after 20 mins the cpu temp went to 105 degrees celsius and because the GPU shares the same die as the cpu it started throttling . I hope no one believes the apple silicon with the cpu and gpu on the same die is some kind of amazing gaming console . Its not. It's as good as 4 generation back of low tier Nvidia gpu cards .
Yup, except the 1060 draws copious amount of energy 140 watts and this just 15watts which makes it 4-5x better than even the 4000 series in perf per watt. As nvidia really just boosted power draw to gain performance and almost no efficiency gains had been made until the 4000series. Ofc because nvidia use greedy and shitty samsung 8nm half node for 3000series. Also this has ai cores for upscaling and ray tracing, 1060 does not. &Just like with a pc you gotta set a custom fan curve the best results. Mine doesnt get over 70c. And also this is a 600$ machine that beats 50% of steam hardware. Gotta keep things in perspective. Want more power? Get the M4 Max. It’s roughly a 4070 at a fraction of the energy. Combined with the fastest cpu in the world.
All the video game consoles feature their CPU and GPU on the same die with integrated memory, so that's an odd criticism because it's been extremely common in the gaming industry for many years. And when has any entry level base M-series chip been positioned or marketed as "the holy grail of gaming"? They're primarily intended as general purpose productivity chips. The M4 Max has 4x faster GPU performance than the base M4, which would be sufficient for the majority of modern games, but who buys a Mac primarily for gaming in the first place? It's just a "nice to have".
@@tronam yup, it's been more common every since the start of gaming way before pcs, and even now it's the most common hardware for gaming lol. Consoles, Phones, iPads etc. It's way more efficient and smaller, so you don't need these ugly ass big metal cases with 140mm lou ass fans to cool your computer. & ye exactly, and so my channel focuses on those that have a mac and want to game and know the performance. IF i grow -- like I am growing now, I will buy more machines for testing. So prolly the M5 and M5 Pro.
@@WybremGaming I actually do play WoW primarily on my Mac, so I’m in that niche group of people who game on the platform. Blizzard was one of the very few companies early on to release a fully Apple Silicon native game client, and this was all the way back with the original M1. I’ll be curious to see how more cutting edge AAA titles like CP2077 perform next year compared to how they’ve been running in emulation.
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Does the mini stay quite doing stuff like this (intensive gaming) or do the fans ramp up so they're noisy?
You can see the fan speed at the top right corner of my screen. I use a custom fan curve that is a little bit more noisy but keep the mini under 70c. With my headset i don’t hear it at all. Without it it’s a small breeze.
Apple prefers silence and so by default the fan stays quiet. It will reach 102c and downclock (meaning loss of performance/frames) before ramping up the fan. The fan is quite noisy so Apple is careful with ramping it up at the expensive of the silicon getting baked. A downside of a mini pc.
@@WybremGaming omg why you don't add that information in previous videos. I thought something is wrong with my unit becouse it was reaching 100 degrees
@@khotshoty1575 I'm starting to talk for the first time in my last few videos, still learning what is useful to say, and a little nervous, but ye in future i will be yapping about stuff like that, thanks for the feedback. I use TG Pro for custom fan curves, paid software.
@@WybremGamingthanks for info. Om a bit sensitive for that. But I noticed that you run the game unlocked in FPS..if your screen is a 60hz screen you could actually lock WOW to 60 FPS.
Then the mini wouldn't be pressured as much and would probably just hover a lot lower in temp with our the fans ramping.
@@MartinHN81 that is true, tho it still will ramp up fans in modern places especially cities. i have it unlocked so people can see what the maximum performance is, with a 120hz cap due to monitor settings,
Thanks! I currently play WoW and stream via OBS on an M1. Works perfectly fine! Looking to upgrade to the new M4 though. Thanks for the video.
ye the M4 has a lot more power! can't go wrong with the mini imo.
Thanks for this! Gonna order one i guess, exactly what i need!
Glad this helps, it's a strong little machine!
The Classic seems to run alright but the Retail version mucks up the keybindings and the fps is more fiddly. I’m using the M4 Pro. I might be able to edit the WTF file but better be careful between Windows and MacOS settings as the keyboards are different.
I didn’t hear any fan but it did get warm. I may not have noticed when fiddling with graphics settings. I’m a bit rusty with MacOS.
Apple uses fans as last resort, so you gotta get TG Pro to use custom fan curve.
@@WybremGaming I just got the M4 Pro last night, I installed WoW and it’s 3:30 am, do some more testing around 10am.
@@darylcheshire1618 I think you will love it!
and whats the 1440 support ?
I have videos of wow in 1440p it can do that but you’re best off buying a m4 pro for 1440p
hola, podria dar el link de donde descargar los addons para mac y que programa usas, tmb como configuro su pantalla, muchas gracias
I will make a video about it very soon!
Could you make a video testing the game on 3440x1440 resolution?
I have tested it but the M4 is not powerful enough, you need the M4 Pro 20core for that res. I play on 7/10 2580x1080p and even then sometimes I drop below 60 in newer cities.
@@WybremGaming awh, seems like my current mini build with low profile 4060 needs to stay. Maybe M5 will be powerful enough
@@Minnka_ I would not hold my breath. The M4 Pro 20core is double my mini M4. That is what you'd need today. It took apple 4 years to get m1 Pro performance on the M4 now, so come M8 you should have M4 pro performance in this power envelope. By then the game will be more demanding. For gaming, the Pro chip will always be the way to go.
@@WybremGaming Honestly, the price for 20core M4 is ridicolous. Sure can be justified if someone is for example freelancer and does use computer for work, but for gaming alone? Not really a sensible investment.
@@Minnka_ ye, a Mac is not just for gaming atm. For me the energy prices are so high it could make sense lol
nice fps it seems that new m4 can handle some games without issues
Yup, got many more videos and many more to come. It's very capable of gaming -- especially at 1080p. Ofc it's not a gaming pc but considering it's size...
Hey, thanks for the video. There is another game from Warcraft universe - Warcraft Rumble, and it recently has been released on Windows. There is native macOS version of it as well, taken from iPadOS. Since it's free to download, would it be possible that you make a vid with Rumble? I just wonder how it compares to Windows version, and can't find a single vid of someone playing it on mac, best regards.
I will have a look
there is no native Macos version of the game, only the iPhone version which is ugly and very limited.
@@WybremGaming OK, thanks for checking out, but why do you think it's ugly?
@@tomnowak8325 the mobile version is blown up on Mac, doesn';t look right
@@WybremGaming Still, would love to see it for myself on a vid ;)
how long can you play for on the m4? been looking for a pc/laptop replacement for games like wow n factorio. Hopefully this device can withstand 4-8 hour sessions
As long as I like but I use a custom fan curve with TGpro, so it never gets hotter than 65c or so. Wow is much more demanding than Factorio. However never buy a mac with the purpose of gaming only.
$599 for a base tiny box that can play wow is really tantalizing. Looking for something to replace desktop/laptop game in the living room off tv and this device seems too good to be true. Something must be right because it’s sold out in my entire province.
@@landocalrissian395 haha ye it's very popular and very capable of playing wow at 1080p, that is the caveat.
Whats 1440p Performance ?
In raid not sure but I've made videos of walking around in Valdrakken and Boralus at 1440p. The base M4 is best used as a 1080p gaming machine. For comfy 1440 wow you need the M4 Pro.
@@WybremGaming i saw your Videos, but you only changed the rendering scaling to 1440p while having 1080p resolution set.. I suppose the performance would be even worse with the r1440p resolution.
@@LetsMiXx no, render scale = 1439p meaning it's 1p of true 1440p. The gpu has to work as if it's 1440p and then downscale to 1080p so if anything it works a bit harder. But my resolution is not high enough to display power draw gadget as well if I set the window to 1440p. We need a better more advanced OSD in MacOS. In fact I've tried full screen 3440x1440p myself and it runs ofc worse than 1440p as it's wider but still impressive considering it's power draw.
@@WybremGaming thank you ! :)
Do you have it on high power. How’s your thermals.
ye by default the mac mini is on high power mode, thermals are good because I use a custom fan curve with TG Pro (Paid app). Without it, it gets hot before it ramps up the fans which may still result in dropped performance. I don't mind the noise with my own curve, it's still quieter than my gaming pc without running anything lmao. It sits around 60-65c in wow now.
my default was set on normal so I set it to high power. I’m not currently run a fan app as of yet. I upgraded from a m1 mini to a m4 pro mini and comparing thermals. M1 never reached the temps this new one has. I know the new design would possibly reach higher temps with the new smaller design.
@@Eventwow for me theres only a toggle to enable low power mode. The m4 uses more energy in the mini 20watts, vs 10 on the m1.
I have the pro version if I remember right I had three options. I have to check when I get home.
@ ok confirmed. I have low power, automatic and high power.
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That's not a bad performance. Tho, is not a very intensive situation as that raid is only 15 ppl and in a very small room.
Try it in a world boss with 40+ people around. Tuesday would be the best day because is when world bosses are packed. You can just do the ones in Tanaris for the event.
Regardless. still pretty good considering is all settings maxed even if is a small raid.
I see I will have a look next Tuesday, thanks!
How did you record sound? or what software you used for it? btw, it looks impresive from my M1 to that M4, looks big leap, would be cool if you try the 3 Aniversary bosses on Tanaris, which can be gather a bunch of people if you wont Q for LFR -Palace raid, also the weekly world boss could be cool to see, aah! if you can try, there is a weak point for Mac or at least for my M1 and a friend with M2, fights where are poison or similar on field and change your UI with poison like fight as Amildrasil , Nymue, it generates a bunch of particles that drops drastically the FPS, also the Council on Palace Raid, (TWW) has the same issue when the Spider start hitting the ground arround the field , even if i'm not step on the spider web my FPS drops a lot, if you could test that would be cool! so i can see difference in power between these chips on those issues , if you can test with 7 or above graffics could be cool (higher) and if you can try Liquied Details at lowest setting, (that consumes alot )Thaks!!
Hi, great question, by default you can record with Quicktime but it doesn't capture your Mac's sound. So I use Claquette, available in the AppStore -- to export video you need to pay, it was 17.99 I believe. Worth every euro for me. I also have videos from my M1 Macbook air and ye the graphical performance in theory is double but due to cooling of the mini vs no cooling of the air is often triple. And yes I will do a video about the bosses, a fellow commenter mentioned I should do it Tuesday because there will be a ton of people and a giant lag fest guaranteed lol. I don't have TTW expansion so I can't test anything there (yet). I will buy it if it's on sale. Thanks for the comment!
@@WybremGaming just install OBS bro . u can record and stream and it's free ... Jesus !
@@gamesthatmatter9374 ye no thanks. it's crappy no native software, i'll pass.
I want QHD + Elv + Weakaura
I have a few 1440p videos but the m4 is not really made for 1440p. Addons are a cancer on the game i never use them
@@WybremGaming What's your mythic+ score? wcl?
@@user-mb3nm5nj1p My current score is 0 -- I don't own retail wow anymore lmao. Legion was great but all xpac after that sucked massive dick. I stopped buying after BFA.
this games engine is 20 years old. can you benchmark with some newer demanding games pls?
I have, they are on my channel, cyberpunk, gta v, shadow of the tomb raider tomorrow many many are online already. let me know if you have a specific game in mind
That's not actually true. A game "engine" is not a static monolithic thing and its many components, tools, APIs, shaders, mesh density, texture quality, lighting systems etc... have been continually upgraded over the past 20 years.
@@tronam it is showing it's age tho, even on my pc it barely uses cpu resources, only 1-3 cores, cyberpunk uses every core you have up to 16 or so. true modern engine.
I have the Mac m4 . Jesus ! its not the whole grail of gaming like people make it looks so lmao . The gpu is as powerful as a very old gtx 1060. Launched like 10 years ago . The cpu is powerfull but the gpu is very weak. I played dota2 at max at 1440p and I was getting around 70 fps but after 20 mins the cpu temp went to 105 degrees celsius and because the GPU shares the same die as the cpu it started throttling . I hope no one believes the apple silicon with the cpu and gpu on the same die is some kind of amazing gaming console . Its not. It's as good as 4 generation back of low tier Nvidia gpu cards .
Yup, except the 1060 draws copious amount of energy 140 watts and this just 15watts which makes it 4-5x better than even the 4000 series in perf per watt. As nvidia really just boosted power draw to gain performance and almost no efficiency gains had been made until the 4000series. Ofc because nvidia use greedy and shitty samsung 8nm half node for 3000series.
Also this has ai cores for upscaling and ray tracing, 1060 does not. &Just like with a pc you gotta set a custom fan curve the best results. Mine doesnt get over 70c. And also this is a 600$ machine that beats 50% of steam hardware.
Gotta keep things in perspective. Want more power? Get the M4 Max. It’s roughly a 4070 at a fraction of the energy. Combined with the fastest cpu in the world.
All the video game consoles feature their CPU and GPU on the same die with integrated memory, so that's an odd criticism because it's been extremely common in the gaming industry for many years. And when has any entry level base M-series chip been positioned or marketed as "the holy grail of gaming"? They're primarily intended as general purpose productivity chips. The M4 Max has 4x faster GPU performance than the base M4, which would be sufficient for the majority of modern games, but who buys a Mac primarily for gaming in the first place? It's just a "nice to have".
@@tronam yup, it's been more common every since the start of gaming way before pcs, and even now it's the most common hardware for gaming lol. Consoles, Phones, iPads etc. It's way more efficient and smaller, so you don't need these ugly ass big metal cases with 140mm lou ass fans to cool your computer.
& ye exactly, and so my channel focuses on those that have a mac and want to game and know the performance. IF i grow -- like I am growing now, I will buy more machines for testing. So prolly the M5 and M5 Pro.
@@WybremGaming I actually do play WoW primarily on my Mac, so I’m in that niche group of people who game on the platform. Blizzard was one of the very few companies early on to release a fully Apple Silicon native game client, and this was all the way back with the original M1. I’ll be curious to see how more cutting edge AAA titles like CP2077 perform next year compared to how they’ve been running in emulation.
@@tronam ye blizzard was on top of it, very nice they did, ye same i own cp77 and will buy shadows and others to test it.