@@dman9456 probably meaning more like, it doesnt matter in non push keys bc everything just dies otherwise in a similar speed anyhow, and the danger level of certain mobs in said lower keys r not so dangerous
I have been messing around with fire a little bit so far in warwithin. It could definitely get buffed a bit but it is a lot of fun to play. It is nice not having to play sun kings blessing. Thanks for the video!
3 small technical questions if you don't mind: 1 - At how many mobs is it better for dps to use flamestrike rather than pyro? (I've seen the pinned comment about master of flame but I'm reading that as 4-5 targets IF you change talents) 2 - Which skill if any would you macro in with on-use trinket as fire? Given that it can't be combust. Or would you just use it manually? 3 - How important is it to maintain the fire blast mastery buff? Thanks in advance!
1. 5t, or 4 if they die quickly with flamestrike talents, without them I wouldnt flamestrike unless there were a lot of adds dying extremely quickly. 2. None, manual trinket binds are much better.
Hi, I have one question about opener… after first Cast of phoenix flames you have heating up… next cast is scorch… during the scorch you casted combustion… after the finished scorch you would get the instant pyro/ flamestrike… why did you during the scorch cast fire blast?
you mean fireball right? not scorch? the idea is the fireball travel time helps you get 2 Pyros back to back in combust. Phoenix flames(heating up) > Fireball > Fireblast(hot streak) >Combust > Pyro > (fireball now hits the mob with last pyro = hotstreak) > Pyro again
When I run mythic+, I have a living bomb build that consistently puts me on the to of the meters. It does suck on single target fights. But We have a marksmanship hunter that specs single target mostly to make up for my lack, and visa versa.
@@Manather I very much do. I wish living bomb wasn’t just a throw away talent. When I use it in large packs, I can have three, something’s four bombs chaining at the same time. Boom.
Viable vs better option are different questions. You can definitely play fire in all content atm and excel. Arcane is a bit better than fire atm still in ST, but situation and fights can change that.
I really struggle with how different the procs feel based on travel time of the spell. Also causes the hardcast pyro's, I guess this is why ppl do the jumping? Does that mean it's fine/expected to not have 100% perfect gcd uptime?
Yeah people jump or strafe to avoid the hardcast pyros. You definitely want to have 100% gcd uptime, anything less is just lost damage. But it can be pretty annoying trying to react to procs which is why if you have that gcd downtime youll often start casting a fireball. And if your prior in flight spells crit you can capitalize off that or not.
it will never sim equal to arcane assuming equal gear, but its still a good spec. It picks up much faster in aoe than arcane does. Just gear for it and dont worry about it is my advice.
@12Ahoc arcane isn't hard at all, yall just watch arcane guides that overcomplicate arcane Fire is the worst spec out the two, it's playable but y settle for mid damage in a class that can out dps almost every class
@@12Ahocdo not be fooled my friend, fire mage in my opinion have always been one of the hardest and most demanding spec in the entire game, probably only beaten by subtle rogue. The level of punishment for miss casting once is detrimental.
@@Manatherthat makes sense, but then what's the point in using FF -> Scorch + IB/Combst in the aoe opener? It feels like wasting an IB charge for nothing. Please correct me if I'm wrong I wanna learn the spec 👍
@@pipozdenko scorch has a delayed heating up like pyroblast, if we were to just scorch -> combust we would need to IB anyway to get to a hot streak, and doing it after the scorch would have no purpose. Entering combust without a precast scorch/fireball is a large dps loss.
@@Manather i get the reason for doing a scorch or fireball into combust, but whats confusing for me is when i try it out I: FF (heat up) -> scorch + IB (hotstreak) and combust -> flamestrike (and i'm left with a heat up instead of a hot streak like both scorch and FS munch into one heat up). On the other hand if I do: FF (heat up) -> scorch + combust -> (hot streak) and flamestrike (heat up) I have an extra IB for the combust window. Maybe distance plays a role in it and I need to stay further away from the target so that scorch and FS dont't munch into a single proc?
Hey Manather! Thanks for making these videos. I've watched your content since Shadowlands and enjoy it. Do you think for a player that isn't as good as you at playing mage that fire might be an overall dps increase compared to frost/arcane given their complexity to min-max their output? I'm averaging 1-1.1 million overall in +8s on frost without 4 pc but it feels like I cannot play around splinterstorm properly even with the weak aura. Thanks in advance if you answer.
I can never generate those amount of heating up’s. I still don’t understand how you have charges of Phoenix and Ignites, while you are still able constantly spam Pyro. I cannot replicate this.
Good stuff. I've got friends who are fire lovers and looked forward to this video. I really, really, really would love an updated frost video. Any additional tips for common mistakes for new-to-frost mages that parse low
Yo, dude, isn't phoenix flame casted on cd? Just like fire blast, or should I delay/ignore it at some point because of a skill or buff or something similar?
Ideally you dont have 0 pf when you proc flames fury. And you can cast it on cd but doing it into trying to rng a heating up with fireball after if you dont have fire blast is not great.
Real issue i have with mythic plus is and fire mage, when combustion is on CD, and we pull another pack, if i don't have combustion, i'm doing barely tank dps, but with combustion i can do 1 mill to 2 mill depending on the density of the pack :/
I would enjoy fire a lot more if it had a burst phase then chill thill next burst, atm u go from combust to combust hardly casting and very quick, so combust doesnt feel that big imo, as u use it waaay to often, hyperthermia and cd refunds doesnt help on making combust special too
I do, fireball/scorch + fireblast + combust. You can see it in the examples. It doesnt really matter if your fire blast is before or after combust, just that it is before the end of your precast so you can queue a pyroblast.
0:20 i don't think fire is easy, it's punishing, it's fast pace during combust, a flawless combust during BL especially if u get a TW procc during it + PI it's so fast, you can't tell me that's easy, but you need to master that kind of situations, otherwise you won't do meaningful dmg. i really enjoy fire gameplaywise, it's just undertuned and for my taste too much rng with hyperthermia and time anomolie. i hope we get a better capstone sometimes or making timeanomalie less rng... it's just such a difference getting a TW procc during combust or not and i really love the inferno talent...fck that SKB shit! unbelievable living bomb is still dead after the buffs
Yeah you also didn’t use to instacast them every other global either. I agree it kind of kills the old school fantasy, but you’d have to completely remake the spec for it to ever even approach that level of damage.
No one will self respect should play current fire. Its the most boring state its been since ever. Its actually super sad how trash the design went from being my fav spec
hey man , just an important question , if you can please answer, if i dont use flamestrike at all, is doing much difference? i just hate the use of aoe flamestrike
If you want more ST/better filler in keys drop master of flame for pyrotechnics. I'd recommend pyroing till about 4-5 targets.
I guess pyronif there are big prio targets in the pack too?
@@ebe84 I wouldnt suggest it tbh, just flamestrike. Priority damage is generally overrated.
Does this build require flamestirke?
@@Manathernot disagreeing but in what ways is prio damage overrated?
@@dman9456 probably meaning more like, it doesnt matter in non push keys bc everything just dies otherwise in a similar speed anyhow, and the danger level of certain mobs in said lower keys r not so dangerous
I've watched SO many damn rotation videos and this is by far the best. Thank you for explaining this so well.
Manather Fire video? Not on my expected videos of 2024, but I'm super hyped for it.
Fire is actually starting to do really well
Babe wake up another banger mage guide dropped
Excited to watch this tonight! I miss fire :)
Great guide mate, just what I was hoping for after seeing your +9 Tirna video the other day. Thanks for the great content!
I have been messing around with fire a little bit so far in warwithin. It could definitely get buffed a bit but it is a lot of fun to play. It is nice not having to play sun kings blessing. Thanks for the video!
This is exactly what I’ve been waiting for. This is exactly-
My heart wanna play fire, but my meter says I have to go Arcane.
3 small technical questions if you don't mind:
1 - At how many mobs is it better for dps to use flamestrike rather than pyro? (I've seen the pinned comment about master of flame but I'm reading that as 4-5 targets IF you change talents)
2 - Which skill if any would you macro in with on-use trinket as fire? Given that it can't be combust. Or would you just use it manually?
3 - How important is it to maintain the fire blast mastery buff?
Thanks in advance!
1. 5t, or 4 if they die quickly with flamestrike talents, without them I wouldnt flamestrike unless there were a lot of adds dying extremely quickly.
2. None, manual trinket binds are much better.
@@Manather Perfect, thanks!
Such a good guide, was exactly what i was looking for!
Are we playing haste>versa=mastery or haste>mastery>versa? Thanks a lot!
Hi, I have one question about opener… after first Cast of phoenix flames you have heating up… next cast is scorch… during the scorch you casted combustion… after the finished scorch you would get the instant pyro/ flamestrike… why did you during the scorch cast fire blast?
you mean fireball right? not scorch?
the idea is the fireball travel time helps you get 2 Pyros back to back in combust. Phoenix flames(heating up) > Fireball > Fireblast(hot streak) >Combust > Pyro > (fireball now hits the mob with last pyro = hotstreak) > Pyro again
I don’t see the spy master web tracker WA in ur package.Can u share that also please?
When I run mythic+, I have a living bomb build that consistently puts me on the to of the meters. It does suck on single target fights. But We have a marksmanship hunter that specs single target mostly to make up for my lack, and visa versa.
flamestrike talents will do the same but not make you do 0 st dps, but if you like living bombs fantasy its up to you
@@Manather I very much do. I wish living bomb wasn’t just a throw away talent. When I use it in large packs, I can have three, something’s four bombs chaining at the same time.
Boom.
Thank you! you are the reason I'm even able to play mage!
I still after all these years have learned how to cast and jump at the same time. Like my hand can’t do all that 😂
Do you think fire is now viable for raids/mythic or do you think arcane is still the better option
Viable vs better option are different questions. You can definitely play fire in all content atm and excel. Arcane is a bit better than fire atm still in ST, but situation and fights can change that.
Yay Manather video!
where does one get that mouse style cursor?
wago.io/xLFOBCvhq
I really struggle with how different the procs feel based on travel time of the spell. Also causes the hardcast pyro's, I guess this is why ppl do the jumping? Does that mean it's fine/expected to not have 100% perfect gcd uptime?
Yeah people jump or strafe to avoid the hardcast pyros. You definitely want to have 100% gcd uptime, anything less is just lost damage. But it can be pretty annoying trying to react to procs which is why if you have that gcd downtime youll often start casting a fireball. And if your prior in flight spells crit you can capitalize off that or not.
how much haste before fire does equal damage to arcane? because I keep seeing people saying that fire has more damage at the very high end
it will never sim equal to arcane assuming equal gear, but its still a good spec. It picks up much faster in aoe than arcane does. Just gear for it and dont worry about it is my advice.
Sir may i request a link ro ur talent builds
looks like fire is back on the menu boys
Not even close. The amount of work you have to put in for mediocre dps
@@jasonroman578 The rotation looks way easier than Arcane to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@12Ahoc arcane isn't hard at all, yall just watch arcane guides that overcomplicate arcane
Fire is the worst spec out the two, it's playable but y settle for mid damage in a class that can out dps almost every class
@@12Ahocdo not be fooled my friend, fire mage in my opinion have always been one of the hardest and most demanding spec in the entire game, probably only beaten by subtle rogue. The level of punishment for miss casting once is detrimental.
@@sebastiancarattini6584 Why? Maybe because fire spells are awesome?
Hi there. Quick question.
When we are talented into Flamestrike build for M+, on boss we use Flamestrike or Pyro?
pyro till 4-5 target
Question, why can't we double FS in our opener like we can PB?
because flamestrike gets its heating up generated instantly, whereas pb has travel time that lets you consume the previous hot streak first
@@Manatherthat makes sense, but then what's the point in using FF -> Scorch + IB/Combst in the aoe opener? It feels like wasting an IB charge for nothing. Please correct me if I'm wrong I wanna learn the spec 👍
@@pipozdenko scorch has a delayed heating up like pyroblast, if we were to just scorch -> combust we would need to IB anyway to get to a hot streak, and doing it after the scorch would have no purpose. Entering combust without a precast scorch/fireball is a large dps loss.
@@Manather i get the reason for doing a scorch or fireball into combust, but whats confusing for me is when i try it out I: FF (heat up) -> scorch + IB (hotstreak) and combust -> flamestrike (and i'm left with a heat up instead of a hot streak like both scorch and FS munch into one heat up). On the other hand if I do: FF (heat up) -> scorch + combust -> (hot streak) and flamestrike (heat up) I have an extra IB for the combust window. Maybe distance plays a role in it and I need to stay further away from the target so that scorch and FS dont't munch into a single proc?
Can u check your plater copy/paste code plz, it allways gives back an import error
Hey Manather! Thanks for making these videos. I've watched your content since Shadowlands and enjoy it.
Do you think for a player that isn't as good as you at playing mage that fire might be an overall dps increase compared to frost/arcane given their complexity to min-max their output?
I'm averaging 1-1.1 million overall in +8s on frost without 4 pc but it feels like I cannot play around splinterstorm properly even with the weak aura.
Thanks in advance if you answer.
hii. are we priority Haste>Master or Haste=Mastery? it seem to be mixed stats at the moments. I almost have similar stats value as your xD
Haste>Mastery, haste is good for casting mastery is good for dot dmg. More cast more dmg+dot dmg
@manather
are you still gonna be rocking mostly frost or did you swtich to arcane fire?
still mostly frost some fire/arcane
I can never generate those amount of heating up’s. I still don’t understand how you have charges of Phoenix and Ignites, while you are still able constantly spam Pyro. I cannot replicate this.
Good stuff. I've got friends who are fire lovers and looked forward to this video.
I really, really, really would love an updated frost video. Any additional tips for common mistakes for new-to-frost mages that parse low
This ^ I've just picked up Wow for the first time this week and decided to go with Frost mage.
Yo, dude, isn't phoenix flame casted on cd? Just like fire blast, or should I delay/ignore it at some point because of a skill or buff or something similar?
Ideally you dont have 0 pf when you proc flames fury. And you can cast it on cd but doing it into trying to rng a heating up with fireball after if you dont have fire blast is not great.
Real issue i have with mythic plus is and fire mage, when combustion is on CD, and we pull another pack, if i don't have combustion, i'm doing barely tank dps, but with combustion i can do 1 mill to 2 mill depending on the density of the pack :/
Thanks for the tip on not burning stuff irl :)
I would enjoy fire a lot more if it had a burst phase then chill thill next burst, atm u go from combust to combust hardly casting and very quick, so combust doesnt feel that big imo, as u use it waaay to often, hyperthermia and cd refunds doesnt help on making combust special too
Why does not Heat Shimmer in the weak aura package work :O
Probably has a wrong id
there is no way you got your phoenix flames on "K" lol, how are you doing that?
Its a mouse button
Can u make a new frost guide?
I will when they rework it in a month.
Is fire now comparable to arcane and frost? If I recall, arcane was the hype but it turns out SL frost is simming better is almost all content
Its close enough
@@Manather but how is it ST when you spec pure AOE in M+?
with the recent buffs on living bomb, its still not viable ?
still incredibly dead
Wich is better, frost, fire or arcane
Mage
They gotta do the earthquake changes to flame strike
flamestriking at more than 3 or more than 4 targets?
Can flamestrike or pyro at 4 just depends how fast they die. So for sure flamestrike at 5 or more
At how many targets should we start to aoe? Group of 3+? Or minimum 4?
Minimum 4, but pyro also works at 4.
Thank you for this you rock
So, living bomb still dead even after 2nd buff?
sure i mean just think about spending 5 points for a not dedcent lb???
isnt it better to fire blast before busting?
I do, fireball/scorch + fireblast + combust. You can see it in the examples. It doesnt really matter if your fire blast is before or after combust, just that it is before the end of your precast so you can queue a pyroblast.
@@Manather my bad, what i meant to say was, isnt it better to bust before fireblast so that the fireblast benefits from the mastery from bust?
Yes that would be good, can be tough depending on how late you have your combust cast in your precast. You can also macro a fireblast to your combust.
Wich mage spec is the BEST now?
Arcane
0:20 i don't think fire is easy, it's punishing, it's fast pace during combust, a flawless combust during BL especially if u get a TW procc during it + PI it's so fast, you can't tell me that's easy, but you need to master that kind of situations, otherwise you won't do meaningful dmg. i really enjoy fire gameplaywise, it's just undertuned and for my taste too much rng with hyperthermia and time anomolie. i hope we get a better capstone sometimes or making timeanomalie less rng... it's just such a difference getting a TW procc during combust or not and i really love the inferno talent...fck that SKB shit! unbelievable living bomb is still dead after the buffs
Is heat shimmer worth really tracking?
I would yeah otherwise you just have a glow on your bar to see it by.
THANK YOU!
Ty for all the info you gamer
HOW DO YOU HAVE 70K INTELLECT WITH 618ILEVEL
627 ilvl
thx man ! can u take a video for a frost mage :)
Already did
❤❤❤ ty mr manather
OMG Thanks so much.
Broo why dont you make macro with your rotationss
As a lazy man who enjoys moving while casting, is it a huge dps loss to take fireball off your bars and only use scorch? lol
yes, very large
But still this spec needs a lot of training methinks xD
in real life... of course
400k for a pyro crit is such a joke... i used to oneshot noobs in WSG with pom pyro in wotlk
Yeah you also didn’t use to instacast them every other global either. I agree it kind of kills the old school fantasy, but you’d have to completely remake the spec for it to ever even approach that level of damage.
Play destro warlock then. Chaos bolt is just that.
Noo.. I didnt want Fire or frost to be good =(, now arcane will eventually fall off.
Ö m
No one will self respect should play current fire. Its the most boring state its been since ever. Its actually super sad how trash the design went from being my fav spec
hey man , just an important question , if you can please answer, if i dont use flamestrike at all, is doing much difference? i just hate the use of aoe flamestrike