It’ll be interesting to see how their press works against France, Varane and Upamecano are extremely weak on the ball and so is Rabiot. Against Argentina, Otamendi is very vulnerable to pressing and honestly so is Mac Allister in a CDM role.
I'm Dutch, Canada was pretty impressive the first half. I assumed they wouldn't be able to keep up the press throughout the game and that's exactly what happened, in my opinion. But it's a step in a good direction, just needs some finetuning. Good luck on your next fixtures in the Copa!
Canada's first 25 minutes were quality. Their passing and energy was some of the best I've seen out of them. If this game ended 2-0 for the Dutch, i think the team would be extremely happy given the player changes and attempting to play the new style for the first time under Marsch.
It was a fun match! It's worth mentioning it was mostly B sometimes C team players in every position for the us (the Dutch). It's also the first time we've played 4-3-3 since we lost to France 4-0 a while back. Which is why it took a while for the players to get some chemistry. Also Memphis playing left wing is something he hasn't done in a hot minute to allow Brobbey to play centrally up top. Good luck against France and in the Copa America!
@@Dieter_Smits Van de Ven is literally Spurs best player, how is he a C player? Maybe just because he is behind Ake in the Netherlands team. But that doesn't qualify him as a C player in my eyes.
@@Karstentyu Don't get me wrong, van de Ven is a good player, at the moment he has to little experience and we have got better options for that position. He will get some minutes this tournament.
I dislike when people say it could have been 6 or 7 to 0 without considering that it could have also been 4-1 or 4-2. We had a couple solid opportunities too.
My biggest takeaway: We need a 6 more than any other position. It is quite clear that eustaquio and specially kone would play better as 8’s. Also our outside mids in a 4-4-2 always play as wingers making more of a 4-2-4. Love Piette but anytime he plays in these international games it’s clear he’s not up to that level as a 6. Second takeaway is we need to try out a different front 2. I’d love to see David under a striker that is actually an athlete (pace, size, strength). Positive takeaway is I believe our centre back problem is actually not as much of a problem as rival fans make it out to be, specially if bombito and Cornelius can get a transfer
Interestingly, on their video, Jonathan David proposed something similar, with Laurin playing as the big holding striker up front, and David playing behind him
Only thing Piette is useful for is grinding out and holding a lead vs concacaf opposition. Love the guy too, just isn't even remotely good enough against higher level teams.
the problem with the press is that if the offensive team has some composure and makes 1 pass they are beyond 4 or 5 defenders. NED did it time and time again.
The way Marsch does pressing is too predictable. All teams have to do is sit back and let his teams exhaust themselves. That's what happened in the Premier League. Like Leeds, Canada has a relatively weak defense: all you have to do is stifle the offense and counterattack once they get tired.
Minnesota United fan here, this is unfortunately what Dayne St. Clair brings. He can make some truly impressive saves, but he also concedes some soft goals pretty regularly
That's how Holland plays they feel you out in early minutes at start and then adapt. It's not the type of team you want to press against unless you got quality at every position.
It is not so much the quality of Canada’s players, but more about Netherlands. It is pointless pressing CBs and DMs that are good with the ball at their feet, high pressing was mainly designed to attack teams with defenders who have technical ability.
It reminded me of their 2022 WC showing, some really good patterns and quick link ups to get through for an impressive start, but in the end Canada not delivering on the promise. There is some good football in it, a good entire match not yet though.
How much did fonzies ding in the first half affect him as the game wore on. I think he was hurt more than anyone is talking about. He was not a sick in a the first half. Many of them lacked the desire to win the 50 50s in the second.
That Canada kit looks great! Only thing I don't like is the oval behind the swoosh. But, regarding the game, Canada looked great in the first half. Excited to see the development. Keep in mind, it would take any coach some time to figure out best system, best use of players and best strategic approach based on available players. Good luck to CanMNT.
Sorry, Canada only had a good 20 min, not a good first half. Two clearences off the line in the first half. This is what happened in the world cup too: other teams feel you out for 20 min and then adjust. Canada doesn't adjust. Also not impressed with this red bull pressing style. Worried that the Leeds fans are right about the coach.
I thought first half was obviously positive but much like in the world cup, everyone gets into really great positions, but no one has the confidence to take a shot and make a play. Ball watching at times is an issue but the scoreline is a bit harsh and im positive about the match as a whole.
They really held up well first half, but do not forget who you were playing, first half was Koeman letting his B team figur it out. After halftime he had given his corrections and that is why they were so strong. Esp with some of the big guns comming on in that half. Trust the process, it will take a while to build your team
Oranje was testing a lot with subs and positions. 7 players who started against Canada won’t return I’m afraid. I hope the Dutch will just start with their final best 11 in the next friendly match against Iceland.
If Canada goes into the Copa America & 2026 WC with that quality of back 4 and GK, then there's nothing to be excited about.😅 They're not any better than what we saw at the 2022 WC
There are no leaders on the backline. No one who played at the back are leaders for their club team, so it makes no sense to believe they would be for the national team. I see Vitoria and possibly Borjan getting a show me callup some time in the next year or so.
@8:41... Jesse doesn't know what he's doing. By the end of Copa, Canadians will run him out of the country with pitchforks and torches. As a USMNT fan, I can say, anybody but Marsch... Marsch has one style and nothing else. I like the CanMNT and hope you guys do well (except when playing the USMNT 😕).
Was Buchanan even playing? And Laryea would be a better starter than Johnston, who is not impressing for some time now. AND Davies did little to tie down the defensive line.
@@vincerogers1618 I'm beginning to see it the same way. I prefer Laryea over Johnston but not sure who I would put in over Buchanan. The solution is actually for Tajon to raise his game. Not sure what is going on there?
@@djknox2 i would start choinaire have a 3 man mid bring Tajon on as a super sub if Piette is playing we are in trouble .The depth problem is going to be a huge challenge in Marsh system guys get gassed and no like for like subs are available same thing Herdman ran into !.
@@vincerogers1618 you know Vince I'm starting to think that our "depth" is ok - ie 2nd stringers are not that much different than our first stringers. Our problem is that the first stringers are not as good as they appeared to me 2 years ago. Davies, David, Larin, Buchanan, Eustaquio, Johnston, Oso - none of them are impressing... so I can name back ups for all of them without losing much at the moment.
Sorry but the header goal was clearly not St.Clair's fault & the other one hit his teammates foot along the way, which can alter a projectary. St. Clair was excellent today.
He bobbled a light shot which should have been routine and it landed right on the foot of an opposing player. That was not a world class performance. Canada is not strong enough offensively to make up for those kind of errors.
Canada was only decent in the first 30 minutes. The last 15 minutes the Netherlands was already having a lot of chances and wijnaldum should have scored
Seeing as this team has a new coach, has played only lower Concacaf comp this past year, and is clearly going through a leadership change (bye bye Borjan and Vitoria) I think this result was to be expected. I think we'll only really begin to see what this team is made of when we face teams like Peru and Chile and teams closer to our level. If you think we can hang with top teams then you're delusional. We don't have the depth, experience, or even a starting 11 who compares like to like to any team in the top 15 or so in the world. Fans need to take a deep breath and chill on their expectations.
Our attack was wasteful again against big teams they cant capitalize on the chances we get especially Larin and David against big teams since the World Cup are really poor
This is where you realize how far off Canada is. If you think this was the Netherlands top side then there are bigger problems. Canada has players playing in low top flight leagues with the exception of a few. Top nations their players are playing 30 plus high level club games a year and know how to compete. Thankfully FIFA cares only for $$$ and gives a shit about real competition so International football is watered down games. Canada football is at the point of realistically they can compete in CONCACAF and maybe win a tournament 2-10 times, but on a world stage tournament or against CONMEBOL, they can compete for third in a pool or advance to one knockout game in a weak pool.
It’s early days that first half is a testament as to how well this team could potentially play
It’ll be interesting to see how their press works against France, Varane and Upamecano are extremely weak on the ball and so is Rabiot.
Against Argentina, Otamendi is very vulnerable to pressing and honestly so is Mac Allister in a CDM role.
I'm Dutch, Canada was pretty impressive the first half. I assumed they wouldn't be able to keep up the press throughout the game and that's exactly what happened, in my opinion. But it's a step in a good direction, just needs some finetuning. Good luck on your next fixtures in the Copa!
Canada's first 25 minutes were quality. Their passing and energy was some of the best I've seen out of them. If this game ended 2-0 for the Dutch, i think the team would be extremely happy given the player changes and attempting to play the new style for the first time under Marsch.
It was a fun match! It's worth mentioning it was mostly B sometimes C team players in every position for the us (the Dutch). It's also the first time we've played 4-3-3 since we lost to France 4-0 a while back. Which is why it took a while for the players to get some chemistry. Also Memphis playing left wing is something he hasn't done in a hot minute to allow Brobbey to play centrally up top. Good luck against France and in the Copa America!
Who exactly are 'C team' players from the Dutch?
Hi, C-players in the Dutch squad, at this moment: Van de Ven, Wijnaldum and Gravenberch.
@@johnnamkeh1290 Wijnaldum, Gravenberch and Shouten are behind Veerman, Reijnders, Koopmeiners, Simons, F. de Jong in that order
@@Dieter_Smits Van de Ven is literally Spurs best player, how is he a C player? Maybe just because he is behind Ake in the Netherlands team. But that doesn't qualify him as a C player in my eyes.
@@Karstentyu Don't get me wrong, van de Ven is a good player, at the moment he has to little experience and we have got better options for that position. He will get some minutes this tournament.
Shaffelburg was a great sub in. He had a nice cross in the game and his energy and work rate was much better than the rest of the team.
Great player…impresses every time
I dislike when people say it could have been 6 or 7 to 0 without considering that it could have also been 4-1 or 4-2. We had a couple solid opportunities too.
My biggest takeaway: We need a 6 more than any other position. It is quite clear that eustaquio and specially kone would play better as 8’s. Also our outside mids in a 4-4-2 always play as wingers making more of a 4-2-4. Love Piette but anytime he plays in these international games it’s clear he’s not up to that level as a 6. Second takeaway is we need to try out a different front 2. I’d love to see David under a striker that is actually an athlete (pace, size, strength). Positive takeaway is I believe our centre back problem is actually not as much of a problem as rival fans make it out to be, specially if bombito and Cornelius can get a transfer
Good observations. A 4-2-4 that morphs into a 2-4-4 😞 Bombito and Cornelius were OK but the FBs were not.
I agree I don't understand why they keep bringing Piette out
Good comment, agree
Interestingly, on their video, Jonathan David proposed something similar, with Laurin playing as the big holding striker up front, and David playing behind him
Only thing Piette is useful for is grinding out and holding a lead vs concacaf opposition. Love the guy too, just isn't even remotely good enough against higher level teams.
the problem with the press is that if the offensive team has some composure and makes 1 pass they are beyond 4 or 5 defenders. NED did it time and time again.
The way Marsch does pressing is too predictable. All teams have to do is sit back and let his teams exhaust themselves. That's what happened in the Premier League. Like Leeds, Canada has a relatively weak defense: all you have to do is stifle the offense and counterattack once they get tired.
Minnesota United fan here, this is unfortunately what Dayne St. Clair brings. He can make some truly impressive saves, but he also concedes some soft goals pretty regularly
That's how Holland plays they feel you out in early minutes at start and then adapt. It's not the type of team you want to press against unless you got quality at every position.
It is not so much the quality of Canada’s players, but more about Netherlands.
It is pointless pressing CBs and DMs that are good with the ball at their feet, high pressing was mainly designed to attack teams with defenders who have technical ability.
Same thing Herdman learned serious lack of depth and when the starters get tired we get caught big problem !.🍻
It reminded me of their 2022 WC showing, some really good patterns and quick link ups to get through for an impressive start, but in the end Canada not delivering on the promise. There is some good football in it, a good entire match not yet though.
How much did fonzies ding in the first half affect him as the game wore on. I think he was hurt more than anyone is talking about. He was not a sick in a the first half. Many of them lacked the desire to win the 50 50s in the second.
That Canada kit looks great! Only thing I don't like is the oval behind the swoosh. But, regarding the game, Canada looked great in the first half. Excited to see the development. Keep in mind, it would take any coach some time to figure out best system, best use of players and best strategic approach based on available players. Good luck to CanMNT.
Looks like some early 90s Umbro crap. Or a baseball pin stripes look.
Sorry, Canada only had a good 20 min, not a good first half. Two clearences off the line in the first half. This is what happened in the world cup too: other teams feel you out for 20 min and then adjust. Canada doesn't adjust. Also not impressed with this red bull pressing style. Worried that the Leeds fans are right about the coach.
I thought first half was obviously positive but much like in the world cup, everyone gets into really great positions, but no one has the confidence to take a shot and make a play. Ball watching at times is an issue but the scoreline is a bit harsh and im positive about the match as a whole.
They really held up well first half, but do not forget who you were playing, first half was Koeman letting his B team figur it out. After halftime he had given his corrections and that is why they were so strong. Esp with some of the big guns comming on in that half. Trust the process, it will take a while to build your team
Oranje was testing a lot with subs and positions. 7 players who started against Canada won’t return I’m afraid. I hope the Dutch will just start with their final best 11 in the next friendly match against Iceland.
Ike Igbo and David up top would be interesting, Larin doesn’t have good touch
If Canada goes into the Copa America & 2026 WC with that quality of back 4 and GK, then there's nothing to be excited about.😅 They're not any better than what we saw at the 2022 WC
I like Eustaquio more as the captain
When he took off Millar at halftime he left Phonsy exposed. Shaffleberg isn’t a good defender
There are no leaders on the backline. No one who played at the back are leaders for their club team, so it makes no sense to believe they would be for the national team. I see Vitoria and possibly Borjan getting a show me callup some time in the next year or so.
@8:41... Jesse doesn't know what he's doing. By the end of Copa, Canadians will run him out of the country with pitchforks and torches.
As a USMNT fan, I can say, anybody but Marsch... Marsch has one style and nothing else. I like the CanMNT and hope you guys do well (except when playing the USMNT 😕).
Can't be any worse than Bethalter
His time with Leeds doesn't strike any confidence in me
Its been one game but time will tell.
I thought even the first half did not look very good. First touches were terrible and passing accuracy was poor.
Was Buchanan even playing? And Laryea would be a better starter than Johnston, who is not impressing for some time now. AND Davies did little to tie down the defensive line.
I believe Lareya is still recovering, he should be back for Copa America.
Tajon was has been very disapointing for the national team and playing him with Johnson only exposes his weakness more both need to take a seat !.
@@vincerogers1618 I'm beginning to see it the same way. I prefer Laryea over Johnston but not sure who I would put in over Buchanan. The solution is actually for Tajon to raise his game. Not sure what is going on there?
@@djknox2 i would start choinaire have a 3 man mid bring Tajon on as a super sub if Piette is playing we are in trouble .The depth problem is going to be a huge challenge in Marsh system guys get gassed and no like for like subs are available same thing Herdman ran into !.
@@vincerogers1618 you know Vince I'm starting to think that our "depth" is ok - ie 2nd stringers are not that much different than our first stringers. Our problem is that the first stringers are not as good as they appeared to me 2 years ago. Davies, David, Larin, Buchanan, Eustaquio, Johnston, Oso - none of them are impressing... so I can name back ups for all of them without losing much at the moment.
2 goals were clearly goalkeeper errors
Sorry but the header goal was clearly not St.Clair's fault & the other one hit his teammates foot along the way, which can alter a projectary.
St. Clair was excellent today.
He bobbled a light shot which should have been routine and it landed right on the foot of an opposing player. That was not a world class performance. Canada is not strong enough offensively to make up for those kind of errors.
Header was completely his fault!! Crepeau please.
Canada was only decent in the first 30 minutes. The last 15 minutes the Netherlands was already having a lot of chances and wijnaldum should have scored
Seeing as this team has a new coach, has played only lower Concacaf comp this past year, and is clearly going through a leadership change (bye bye Borjan and Vitoria) I think this result was to be expected. I think we'll only really begin to see what this team is made of when we face teams like Peru and Chile and teams closer to our level. If you think we can hang with top teams then you're delusional. We don't have the depth, experience, or even a starting 11 who compares like to like to any team in the top 15 or so in the world. Fans need to take a deep breath and chill on their expectations.
Our attack was wasteful again against big teams they cant capitalize on the chances we get especially Larin and David against big teams since the World Cup are really poor
I also hope he keeps the same centre backs Kamal Miller is too rash and bad with aerial balls
Agreed this is the problem. Canada needs goal production from 2 strikers and they're not getting it.
They not like us 🦁
Canada is a hockey country so I’m not surprised it was kinda embarrassing not scoring in the first half. And I’m Dutch
So…Crepeau is a great shot stopper and better with his feet you say…
What’s St Clair better at then? Not handling on today’s evidence…
Makes no sense
This is where you realize how far off Canada is. If you think this was the Netherlands top side then there are bigger problems. Canada has players playing in low top flight leagues with the exception of a few. Top nations their players are playing 30 plus high level club games a year and know how to compete. Thankfully FIFA cares only for $$$ and gives a shit about real competition so International football is watered down games. Canada football is at the point of realistically they can compete in CONCACAF and maybe win a tournament 2-10 times, but on a world stage tournament or against CONMEBOL, they can compete for third in a pool or advance to one knockout game in a weak pool.