There is also the fact that Eru intervened with the death of Gandalf. Along with the fact that Beren or Luthien, one of the two, died but was revived by Eru.
B&L were revived by Mandis with Eru’s permission. Eru did not directly revive them. Gandalf on the other hand, was revived directly by Eru, since the Valar simply did not have the power to revive a Maia.
So Eru put the slippery rock there. Imagine he took a humanoid form and walked over to the spot with it laughing to himself like "This is going to be the best prank of the 3rd age"
The dwarves that Aule created were more like automatons they weren’t really life like at all, this is actually a theme in all of Tolkien’s work no Valar can create life they can only alter it as only Eru can create life. That’s why Melkor didn’t create orcs he instead kidnapped elves and disfigured them into orcs, the ents are also the same Yavanna helped create them but only by the permission of Manwe and consequently Eru could they have life, this just adds more depth to LOTR that I really enjoy.
@@Charmedsas1 him giving life to the dwarves didn’t affect any already created races. The dwarves weren’t really a living part of the world so I don’t think that is what the question of intervening is referring to
Eru didn't choose to be involved in Gollum's death but Gollum broke the promise of not attacking the Master. You see, in Tolkien's universe, words and promises have more power than weapons. We shall remember the curse of Isilidur upon the Death Armi which couldn't keep their promise to aid for Last Aliance. We shall not forget about Finrod who fought Morgoth with Music. If Eru truly had a made in the LotR is under the shape of Tom Bombardil and inspiration for bravery. Gandalf was sent back by Manwe to finish his work as he was the last of the Istari who could have aid against Sauron. And Gandalf was hope, for everyone...that was his greatest power...and guess what, Eru had hope for Melkor when he gave a chance to the world when first Music of Ainur was disrupted... Eru knew all the time what is about to come and filled all good hearts with hope. Manwe had hope for Melkor, Aule had hope for his creation, Erendil had hope when he sailed west, Beren had hope when he confronted Morgoth, Thingol had hope that Eol will be brave and accept his faith...and hundreds and hundreds of examples... Sam had hope when no one had anything left in their hearts.
Also he brought together the council of Elrond. A common misconception (thanks to the movie changing what Tolkien’s original story stated) is that Elrond summoned each of the characters but in fact, all the right people to create the perfect team necessary for the task were there at the same time due to “chance”. Clearly not just chance though
I knew about Numenor’s destruction but Eru making gollum trip would never be known if it wasn’t for his letters. It’s good to know that evil would have won if not for God “accidentally” putting his foot out to trip someone, in a metaphorical sense.
Evil was doomed to collapse even if Eru didn't push Gollum to the lava If Sauron had gotten the ring and enslaved middle earth, then the Valar would be obligated to middle earth to destroy Sauron's forces but with devastating consequences to all landscape of middle earth (and beings living there)
He was the only one SUPPOSED TO create live. But he did not create the Dwarfs. He did however adopt them under the condition they would awake after the Elves. This is part of the reasons the two racses were always at odds.
Beleriand was sunk by Ainur's intervention at the end of first Age in War of Wrath . The forces involved were so great that the shape of the Arda was changed.
as someone else has stated in the comments, saying he made gollum trip is a hugely simplistic way of putting it. It wasnt so much that gollum tripped it was more that gollum played an intergral part of getting the ring there and also in the end attacking frodo (his master) after he promised to protect. So it was a series of events that ultimately led to the rings demise, with the trip at the end being just one of them
He def did not, his greedy ass killed one of his best friends, manipulated frodo, and kicked out my boy sam, just to bite frodos hand off and get his ass plunged into fire, good riddance tbh
And in both cases, sauron was directly screwed over by the true god 😂. 1st time caused sauron to lose his body. 2nd time actually killed/sealed sauron away forever.
QUESTION: I am writing a book, using M.E. as the background, during the 4th Age. A Remanat of the Elves remained behind to be teachers of Men and it turns into a Cult. QUESTION: May I use a few quotes from Eru, that the cult "twists" their interpretation of meaning for their own purposes? (Some people worship the Vala, and my elves worship Eru alone, but then late they themselves become for important.)
Ok so I have not read the books.. but in the movies they show the the king taking ring to the volcano but did not throw the ring at the last moment but instead was twisted by it’s power. why didn’t ERU intervene then and make that king “trip”?
We could have not gotten the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin would have been irrelevant. No 17 Oscar wins. No May it be, Gollum Song and Into the west. And lastly, I would not be able to reply to your comment, just because....
Because that's not what happened in the books. Isildur didn't go to the volcano. Elrond told Isildur to destroy the ring but Isildur decided to keep it.
Ok. The numer of the letter with info about intervention with gollum? I want to see it after it i have nk problem with this but for now for me it seems lame that eru decidet to intervine after all this horroble things just innthis moment and for me better is vision that the undeserving mercy for gollum the act of kiddnest was the reason that in mt doom the ring was destroyed and all this sacraffice and fught across the story was nessecery to achieve this moment and the little act of good of bilbo and then frodo was the reason for great evil to colapse.
Malcor did serve Remember the discordance he sang was weaved into the song and only in the end enhanced the building of the universe and the playing out of history
U got the part about "the great plan" wrong, we are told that not all the Valar was Equals, one was clousest to "him", Melkor the mightist of the Valar ho know Erus plan best, and yet all he dos is evil?? But some where along the way this point is lost, more pruve that the Valar are the bad guys, just look at what they did for the elf and even drowfs, they startede 2 wars, but what for men?? Munemore? The Island just close enugh so the could smell the "god lands" but was forbidden to ever go... That part of this hole tail dos the Valar do "the right thing"??? ( and yet when they kill its for the greater good - Bull!!)
Tthere were a couple more instances of direct intervention, I think, but I believe that Eru did influence world events in more subtle ways without violating people's free will to make their own choices. Eru is basically the God of the Bible, after all.
Iluvitar. Yes he directly intervened. And no the two times you listed are not the only times he intervened. In fact you could argue that thise tomes were part of his plan all along and thus not interventions. There is only one time we know iluvitar intervened when he had no reason to and it was unplanned. He granted life once more to bBeren and Luthien and allowed them to live out 1 normal mortal life together and die together when the king of the Valar was moved by their love, their struggle, their valor in their fight with Morgoth etc and beseeched Eru to take action. Eru was moved by this plea and intervened.
The part about gollum slipping because of the God of the lotr universe is really Tolkien slipping up on his storytelling. Let's just pretend that part didn't happen.
So with Golum Eru bumps the pool table? He tilted the pinball game? He rigged the roulette wheel? He marked the cards? Wtf? He is not all good and perfect?
Because he's a min-max entity, aka a Frugal God. Good will triumph over evil, barely. So long as Good wins out in the end, that's all that he wants. He's spending the least amount of effort for the most rewarding outcome. Unfortunately for us he really does perceive victory as a pure binary system, either we win or we lose. He has given us just enough to ensure that we win, the system continues, no more, no less.
That's just wrong. Twisting and perverting the elves into orcs was a huge sleight by Morgoth against Eru. The elves were Iluvatar's favorite creation. He also helped Ungoliant destroy the Two Trees. I mean almost everything Morgoth did was an insult and an affront to Eru Iluvatar, including trying to sow discord in the music that would create the world.
No, that's not what Morgoth did. He wanted to dominate the songs at the beginning of time and created harsh dissonances. His entire existence from then on was based on defiance and self-interest. He was unable to truly create life or a different world in the way that Eru Iluvatar could, but he wanted to corrupt and taint the world as much as possible in a way that bent it to his will. Although, since Eru Iluvatar is all-powerful and all-knowing and created Melkor, it's possible that he actually KNEW that Melkor would become such a defiant and destructive being. Maybe it was his intention all along. If that's the case then you'd be right.
@@Loe_Jist in the Ainulindale Eru says that nobody could alter the music in his despite. Any attempt to do so will prove to be a good and end up being an instrument to produce things more wonderful that had not been imagined. Morgoth claimed to not serve Eru and did all he could to destroy the work of his peers, but that was the path appointed to him by Eru.
Wouldn’t really say that personally. Melkor (aka Morgoth) was the first valor and the first creation of Eru. The first child in a way. He was the most intelligent and powerful being after Eru which is why he turned dark. Not because he was envious of Eru but because he couldn’t create life. So he reverted to twisting and manipulating Eru’s creations initially to create his own “life” and later to mock Eru out of frustration. I mean you can blame Eru for all that happens and that is probably why Eru doesn’t personally destroy or defeat Melkor as he either understands his frustration or believes that Melkor needs to go through this process and either embrace it or eventually accept it at some point. But as it stands on the existing lore Melkor doesn’t glorify but rather mock Eru’s creation which is all out of envy. Basically Eru makes him the most powerful being apart from him but refusing to give him power to create his own living beings. Aule created the dwarfs and also tried his best to bring them to life but failed so he would artificially animate them. Eventually Eru gave them life. Aule is the closest to Melkor in mind and philosophy which is perhaps why his Maiar like Sauron and Saruman defect to Melkor as they are taught to question more rather than do as told.
First I thought Tolkien was a boring writer and now I think he's a bad writer. 'Oh, by the way, the good guys only won because of divine intervention that could have resolved all the bad from the get go'.
Bruh, if Eru keeps intervening, would anyone continue to read at that point? "Oh no, Morgoth and Ungoliant is destroying the Two Trees, oh hey Eru fucking deletes them from existance" "Oh no, Sauron is continuing to do- oh never fucking mind, Eru also deleted him from existance"
the real God of middle earth is JRR Tolkein. For he is outside the spine of the book, the matrix. In it he created all characters and life, landscapes, realms and dimensions for his pleasure. Frodo can never behold his face, for he exist outside the framework, and for Frodo to behold him would be for Tolkein to behold himself.
I know I can create life with my spirit I don't know about you though lol me & Eru Iluvatar created the universe I may be an Ainur from the religion of Eru but I do know I'm certainly an Aeon called Bythios(profound)similar to the god of the abyss reality Bythos(depth)
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Eru said “lets make that specific part of the ground extra slippery just in case”
There is only one God and that is Jesus
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I think he slipped on Frodo's finger blood 😉
There is also the fact that Eru intervened with the death of Gandalf. Along with the fact that Beren or Luthien, one of the two, died but was revived by Eru.
Thank you for your service 🙏
They both died and they both got revived
Yea
B&L were revived by Mandis with Eru’s permission. Eru did not directly revive them.
Gandalf on the other hand, was revived directly by Eru, since the Valar simply did not have the power to revive a Maia.
@@therealelderking5830 Ah yes, Mandis the Judge of the Dead.
And Eru Ilúvatar said unto Gollum:
"Fuck yo creepy-ass toes in particular"
That's very rube like, Eru would never speak in such vile tongue
I would like you to be a clean gollum in your next life
"You are a dirty Gollum, it is time to take a bath! Come back as a clean Smeagol!"
- Eru Ilúvatar
Bro this is way to funny
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Eru is that bro with "lava is wet" mindset🗿🗿🗿🗿
So Eru put the slippery rock there. Imagine he took a humanoid form and walked over to the spot with it laughing to himself like "This is going to be the best prank of the 3rd age"
Also the last prank of the third age. Best for last ig
We do a little trolling
A prank so good, it began a new age
It was because gollum broke his promise, which has power in middle earth depending on the type of promise
Tis a prank, master gollum
Also the dwarfs. Even tho Aule created them, eru breathe life into them.
The dwarves that Aule created were more like automatons they weren’t really life like at all, this is actually a theme in all of Tolkien’s work no Valar can create life they can only alter it as only Eru can create life. That’s why Melkor didn’t create orcs he instead kidnapped elves and disfigured them into orcs, the ents are also the same Yavanna helped create them but only by the permission of Manwe and consequently Eru could they have life, this just adds more depth to LOTR that I really enjoy.
@@mastermax2792 I know that. The question was "the time Eru intervened"?
Well he did that for every living thing didn't he?
@@Charmedsas1 him giving life to the dwarves didn’t affect any already created races. The dwarves weren’t really a living part of the world so I don’t think that is what the question of intervening is referring to
Is this why the dwarves have black feet a bit like how the uruk have black boily skin
Eru didn't choose to be involved in Gollum's death but Gollum broke the promise of not attacking the Master. You see, in Tolkien's universe, words and promises have more power than weapons. We shall remember the curse of Isilidur upon the Death Armi which couldn't keep their promise to aid for Last Aliance. We shall not forget about Finrod who fought Morgoth with Music. If Eru truly had a made in the LotR is under the shape of Tom Bombardil and inspiration for bravery. Gandalf was sent back by Manwe to finish his work as he was the last of the Istari who could have aid against Sauron. And Gandalf was hope, for everyone...that was his greatest power...and guess what, Eru had hope for Melkor when he gave a chance to the world when first Music of Ainur was disrupted... Eru knew all the time what is about to come and filled all good hearts with hope. Manwe had hope for Melkor, Aule had hope for his creation, Erendil had hope when he sailed west, Beren had hope when he confronted Morgoth, Thingol had hope that Eol will be brave and accept his faith...and hundreds and hundreds of examples... Sam had hope when no one had anything left in their hearts.
Yes Eru did, it is explicitly described that Eru pushed Gollum into mount doom.
Tolkien litteraly said eru intervened in gollum fall
And how the witch king was cursed not to die by the hands of a man. And so it was but not in the way the witch king thought it would be.
You're arguing against Tolkien himself dawg 💀
Who knows lotr better: a random youtube commenter
Or
The literal fucking author of the series itself
Eru legit said, “Screw you flat-earthers”, then said to Gollum, “Let’s do some trolling”😂
Real😂😂😂😂
Gollum: Yes! My precious! It is mine!
Eru Illuvatar: I don't think so, pal.
He also brought back Gandalf from the dead and transform him into Gandalf the white
Also he brought together the council of Elrond. A common misconception (thanks to the movie changing what Tolkien’s original story stated) is that Elrond summoned each of the characters but in fact, all the right people to create the perfect team necessary for the task were there at the same time due to “chance”. Clearly not just chance though
I knew about Numenor’s destruction but Eru making gollum trip would never be known if it wasn’t for his letters. It’s good to know that evil would have won if not for God “accidentally” putting his foot out to trip someone, in a metaphorical sense.
Evil was doomed to collapse even if Eru didn't push Gollum to the lava
If Sauron had gotten the ring and enslaved middle earth, then the Valar would be obligated to middle earth to destroy Sauron's forces but with devastating consequences to all landscape of middle earth (and beings living there)
He was the only one SUPPOSED TO create live. But he did not create the Dwarfs. He did however adopt them under the condition they would awake after the Elves. This is part of the reasons the two racses were always at odds.
Nope...the conflict between dwarfs and elfs goes back to Nargotron and Nauglamir.... you will find more details by reading Silmarillion
Aule did not create life tho he created the dwarves
It's suggested that he intervened a few more times through dreams or whispers
Also the Seventh Age starts with Iluvatar's incarnation into the world of Arda as Jesus Christ
Iluvatar does not incarnate
@@cardboard_hatTolkien mentioned in one of his letters that he does incarnate and become man in the story.
Wow, I had no idea about the latter
Well yeah. Ladders have been around a long time.
This escalated quickly
@@jmad318this whole conversation rung a few bells.
As a Tolkien books fan, this is a very informative video.
You also forgot illuvatar sinking both beleriand and numenor beneath the sea
He mentiond numenor and it was the war against morgoth making beleriand sink
Beleriand was sunk by Ainur's intervention at the end of first Age in War of Wrath . The forces involved were so great that the shape of the Arda was changed.
Never liked the idea that Eru made Gollum slip, it takes away from the ending, for me.
as someone else has stated in the comments, saying he made gollum trip is a hugely simplistic way of putting it. It wasnt so much that gollum tripped it was more that gollum played an intergral part of getting the ring there and also in the end attacking frodo (his master) after he promised to protect. So it was a series of events that ultimately led to the rings demise, with the trip at the end being just one of them
@@danielmitchell671I love your interpretation much better. Eru tripping Gollum just cheapens the beautiful ending.
Illuvitar (to Gollum): I am sorry, Little One. yeet.
Morgoth literally had direction interaction with eru. And he was the strongest being after eru.
Eru was like “😂 bruh Sauron’s gonna be PISSED”
Three notable exceptions. It was Eru who sent Gandalf back after he fell.
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Eru *snickering* this is gonna be so funny *in spirit from puts foot out tripping gollum, but looks over seeing gollum burn* ooooo ouch
The Lore is just so DEEP!!! 😮
You should also make a video on Atum Amun KHNUM Ptah and Ra and Horus
Didnt Eru also directly revive Gandalf after the Balrog?
Changes entire shape of the world as well as physics that govern it.
Makes floor slippery.
Dam Gollum had it so rough even as a kid I felt bad for him
He def did not, his greedy ass killed one of his best friends, manipulated frodo, and kicked out my boy sam, just to bite frodos hand off and get his ass plunged into fire, good riddance tbh
Jai shree ram 🚩🚩🚩
Don't forget about the Giant Chicken of Gondor that flies through space.
How arda got created: *the valar just sings and boom arda*
*if You do too much they expect everything, when you do to little they expect nothing "
And in both cases, sauron was directly screwed over by the true god 😂.
1st time caused sauron to lose his body.
2nd time actually killed/sealed sauron away forever.
QUESTION: I am writing a book, using M.E. as the background, during the 4th Age. A Remanat of the Elves remained behind to be teachers of Men and it turns into a Cult. QUESTION: May I use a few quotes from Eru, that the cult "twists" their interpretation of meaning for their own purposes? (Some people worship the Vala, and my elves worship Eru alone, but then late they themselves become for important.)
Well, the elves dont worship Eru as much, they worship the Valar and the wife of Manwe in particular so
That’s hilarious!
1st time intervening: *Reshapes the entire Earth itself!*
2nd time intervening: *Sticks foot out* … *Trip*😂
That’s pretty cool
I do know I was present when the Lord of the rings movies were being made & were made I was present in Spirit form in those movies and in many others
No fictional character can beat morgoth in his prime except eru that just shows you how strong eru is
Ok so I have not read the books.. but in the movies they show the the king taking ring to the volcano but did not throw the ring at the last moment but instead was twisted by it’s power. why didn’t ERU intervene then and make that king “trip”?
Because reasons
We could have not gotten the Lord of the Rings trilogy. Bilbo, Frodo, Sam, Merry and Pippin would have been irrelevant. No 17 Oscar wins. No May it be, Gollum Song and Into the west. And lastly, I would not be able to reply to your comment, just because....
Because Elrond and Isildur never actually made it all the way into Mount Doom in the books.
@@ShatteredIce ahh ok that makes since
Because that's not what happened in the books. Isildur didn't go to the volcano. Elrond told Isildur to destroy the ring but Isildur decided to keep it.
Eru = epic banana peel 🍌
In lotr, Eru act 3 more times
1 bringing Gandalf back
2 boosting Theodem at pelenor
3 boosting Sam on mount doom
Lol couldnt Eru find 110,000,011 easier ways to destroy the ring?
Not really. He wanted middle earth to earn it's free will.
@@jasonschweigert8069 well who's gonna tell middle earth that eru intervened ?....they could just think they did it.....but in reality eru did it
@@leaveme3559 in middle earth free will is based off desire not based off ability
@@leaveme3559 Eru isn’t disingenuous, Mr. me. He did what was good, and didn’t care if anyone knew.
So basically Illuvitars that one guy in group work that just puts the last piece on top of the project at the end & takes all the credit 🤦🏾♂️
Dude what I’m such a Tolkien nerd how have I never heard he made gollum trip
A major character was omitted from LOTR, Tom Bombadil.....
That's a wild story man..God is Almighty...
Eru pushed gollum down.. didn’t know that!
Reckon God could turn time back or forwards?
Where did it say in the books that he turned the Earth from flat to round?...
Eru: eugh, oh lord the hell is that thing
Ok. The numer of the letter with info about intervention with gollum? I want to see it after it i have nk problem with this but for now for me it seems lame that eru decidet to intervine after all this horroble things just innthis moment and for me better is vision that the undeserving mercy for gollum the act of kiddnest was the reason that in mt doom the ring was destroyed and all this sacraffice and fught across the story was nessecery to achieve this moment and the little act of good of bilbo and then frodo was the reason for great evil to colapse.
Might as well add Bilbo finding the Ring
The planet is called "Arda". Middle-earth is just a section of the planet, a continent.
The Tolkien’s mythology is in fact the most christian lore in popular culture 😇
Malcor did serve
Remember the discordance he sang was weaved into the song and only in the end enhanced the building of the universe and the playing out of history
Was it Illuvatar that sent Gandalf back after fighting the Balrog?
He intervened to grant Aule his wish to have Dwarves as living beings.
U got the part about "the great plan" wrong, we are told that not all the Valar was Equals, one was clousest to "him", Melkor the mightist of the Valar ho know Erus plan best, and yet all he dos is evil?? But some where along the way this point is lost, more pruve that the Valar are the bad guys, just look at what they did for the elf and even drowfs, they startede 2 wars, but what for men?? Munemore? The Island just close enugh so the could smell the "god lands" but was forbidden to ever go... That part of this hole tail dos the Valar do "the right thing"??? ( and yet when they kill its for the greater good - Bull!!)
Acts of god:
Transforming the world from flat to round, drowning countless.
Making gollum trip.
He also made it so everyone gathered together in the Council of elrond although this isn't like this in the movie
Tthere were a couple more instances of direct intervention, I think, but I believe that Eru did influence world events in more subtle ways without violating people's free will to make their own choices. Eru is basically the God of the Bible, after all.
One notable case is the council of Elrond and Bilbo's journey to Erebor
Hey why’d you take that guys voice
Wait, didn't Iluvatar send Gandalf back, Id say that was pretty notable.
I thought he also sent Gandalf back and made him the white wizard 🤷🏻♂️
Note to self place banana peel here!😅
Iluvitar.
Yes he directly intervened.
And no the two times you listed are not the only times he intervened.
In fact you could argue that thise tomes were part of his plan all along and thus not interventions.
There is only one time we know iluvitar intervened when he had no reason to and it was unplanned.
He granted life once more to bBeren and Luthien and allowed them to live out 1 normal mortal life together and die together when the king of the Valar was moved by their love, their struggle, their valor in their fight with Morgoth etc and beseeched Eru to take action. Eru was moved by this plea and intervened.
Sending back Gandalf too
And the fact that Eru gave life to stones(gnomes made by Aule, the smith valar), becoming the gnomes
Now i feel bad for Gollum after knowing this😅
But how did He intervene with the drowning of the realm when the world became round?
He destroyd Saurons body with it
The part about gollum slipping because of the God of the lotr universe is really Tolkien slipping up on his storytelling. Let's just pretend that part didn't happen.
So with Golum Eru bumps the pool table? He tilted the pinball game? He rigged the roulette wheel? He marked the cards? Wtf? He is not all good and perfect?
He also sent Gandalf back from the dead, and now he’s Gandalf the white.
He also sent Gandalf the Grey back as Gandalf the white?
Who are the gods who lobbed the gigantic rocks at each others in Misty Mountains?
Because he's a min-max entity, aka a Frugal God. Good will triumph over evil, barely. So long as Good wins out in the end, that's all that he wants. He's spending the least amount of effort for the most rewarding outcome. Unfortunately for us he really does perceive victory as a pure binary system, either we win or we lose. He has given us just enough to ensure that we win, the system continues, no more, no less.
You forgot the resurrection of gandalf
We should probably count Bilbo finding the Ring.
That is one of The Ring powers: change owner at its own will.
@@robegatt that is true but it's heavily implied many many times that God was involved with Bilbo finding the Ring.
Tolkien did noy use the term "God" but instead "creator" because he was a devout Catholic
He also sent Gandalf back as well
All that power and all he did was trip up our poor Gollum. OP or what??🤣🤦🏽♂🤦🏽♂🤦🏽♂
He gave the Dwarves true life to right
Isn't he also the one who resurrect Gandalf?
Even though Morgoth didn’t claim to serve Eru, all Morgoth did was to the glory of Eru’s creations. Morgoth was incapable of doing anything else.
That's just wrong. Twisting and perverting the elves into orcs was a huge sleight by Morgoth against Eru. The elves were Iluvatar's favorite creation. He also helped Ungoliant destroy the Two Trees. I mean almost everything Morgoth did was an insult and an affront to Eru Iluvatar, including trying to sow discord in the music that would create the world.
No, that's not what Morgoth did. He wanted to dominate the songs at the beginning of time and created harsh dissonances. His entire existence from then on was based on defiance and self-interest. He was unable to truly create life or a different world in the way that Eru Iluvatar could, but he wanted to corrupt and taint the world as much as possible in a way that bent it to his will.
Although, since Eru Iluvatar is all-powerful and all-knowing and created Melkor, it's possible that he actually KNEW that Melkor would become such a defiant and destructive being. Maybe it was his intention all along. If that's the case then you'd be right.
@@Loe_Jist in the Ainulindale Eru says that nobody could alter the music in his despite. Any attempt to do so will prove to be a good and end up being an instrument to produce things more wonderful that had not been imagined. Morgoth claimed to not serve Eru and did all he could to destroy the work of his peers, but that was the path appointed to him by Eru.
@@peterseeganna8238 Eru didn't assign Melkor that path. Melkor was destined down that path but because of his free will.
Wouldn’t really say that personally. Melkor (aka Morgoth) was the first valor and the first creation of Eru. The first child in a way. He was the most intelligent and powerful being after Eru which is why he turned dark. Not because he was envious of Eru but because he couldn’t create life. So he reverted to twisting and manipulating Eru’s creations initially to create his own “life” and later to mock Eru out of frustration. I mean you can blame Eru for all that happens and that is probably why Eru doesn’t personally destroy or defeat Melkor as he either understands his frustration or believes that Melkor needs to go through this process and either embrace it or eventually accept it at some point. But as it stands on the existing lore Melkor doesn’t glorify but rather mock Eru’s creation which is all out of envy. Basically Eru makes him the most powerful being apart from him but refusing to give him power to create his own living beings. Aule created the dwarfs and also tried his best to bring them to life but failed so he would artificially animate them. Eventually Eru gave them life. Aule is the closest to Melkor in mind and philosophy which is perhaps why his Maiar like Sauron and Saruman defect to Melkor as they are taught to question more rather than do as told.
That's not quite true, aule was also able to create life, that's how the dwarves came into being
First I thought Tolkien was a boring writer and now I think he's a bad writer. 'Oh, by the way, the good guys only won because of divine intervention that could have resolved all the bad from the get go'.
Bruh, if Eru keeps intervening, would anyone continue to read at that point? "Oh no, Morgoth and Ungoliant is destroying the Two Trees, oh hey Eru fucking deletes them from existance"
"Oh no, Sauron is continuing to do- oh never fucking mind, Eru also deleted him from existance"
My name is byf is that you?
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He made Golldom trip
But how come Golldom when I wached the movie he tripped on a rock
This is from book not movie
The rock was conveniently placed there...
Makes sense
In the book, a white figure pushed him.
Luckily there are subtitles because your accent and cadence is hard to understand... 🙄🙄🙄🙄
Deaf people
Tom bombadil is erus master and eru doesnt even know it
Wait I thought morgott only lost due to divine intervention
That was the Vallar that Attackd
You forgot the creation of the dwarves
Aule made the dwarves
Eru ilvultar
the real God of middle earth is JRR Tolkein. For he is outside the spine of the book, the matrix. In it he created all characters and life, landscapes, realms and dimensions for his pleasure. Frodo can never behold his face, for he exist outside the framework, and for Frodo to behold him would be for Tolkein to behold himself.
Tolkien would reject this. The God of Middle-earth is the God of Catholicism, not Tolkien. Tolkien is only a sub-creator.
I know I can create life with my spirit I don't know about you though lol me & Eru Iluvatar created the universe I may be an Ainur from the religion of Eru but I do know I'm certainly an Aeon called Bythios(profound)similar to the god of the abyss reality Bythos(depth)
didn't he resurrect Gandalf too tho
Eru brought Gandalf back