Why Art Advice is Mostly a TRAP...
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Hi there, Liron here!
I wanted to share my thoughts on art advice, and how for many - it's to be avoided.
Art advice is mostly a trap. The reason is that it binds an artist in ways they don't recognize, and their art suffers for it.
As I mention in the video, I am not judging the behavior.
People are free to ask and give advice as they please.
I am merely pointing the stage light at the damage this causes.
At the end of the day, one must find out for themselves.
- Liron
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My mentor does nothing but encourage me and tell me I can’t go wrong. ❤ She encourages me to study anything that lights me up, and to practice.
So true. Discover for yourself. A few tips to get one started and a lot of encouragement to keep going. Enjoy and discipline yourself to keep going
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I think this is good
I inherited a set of Bob Ross oil set and a Reader's Digest watercolor set that were my Mom's. She wasn't an artist ( maybe she was deep in her soul). She got the sets while retired and took classes in her retirement community. I was an art major for one short year, then went on to 2 careers in nutrition and medicine. Lo and behold at age 58 those art sets got me back into my first love of art . 10 years later the watercolor has my soul....thank you Mom. I am making up for lost time and have taken many watercolor classes , drawing classes, sketch every day, and have listened to different artists advice. It has helped me...however after considering the advice for years I finally paint what I want, what I like, in my style, and explore adding in mixed media. It's so satisfying. I really like your channel and been following you for a long time because I like the philosophical yet down to earth talks you give while you paint.
I struggled for the longest time because so much of the advice I took on was steeped in assumptions of privilege (such as the assumption of healthy eyesight, when I'm visually impaired). I improved (and relaxed!) far more when I started seeing advice more like suggestion - "you could do this" rather than "you should do this". I suspect there's more of a market for the latter, though!
I think there’s a place for advice in art, but any kind of advice that discourages people from trying anything is just bad. But if you’re an artist looking to improve, then it’s worth looking at how others do things differently. It’s also worth asking someone (preferably someone who understands the artistic process) how you could improve. Then you can take that advice and do whatever you want with it. Even if you choose to discard it, you will be doing something willingly instead of blindly. We have, as a society, become so susceptible to criticism that it’s hard to separate our own emotions from it and that can be especially true for artists, but, if you’re able to do so, it can be very useful as a tool for growth and learning.
There is so much value in your “teaching”! Thanks Liron, always a pleasure!
Thank you so much 🙏😊
Very glad to hear you gained something from this!
I love your talks: thanks Liron!
Thank you for watching 🙏😊
Sculpting, painting, carving. There's so much you can learn from others. But you have to try yourself. When I was younger and I found out the paper I was using was hampering the look I was trying to achieve, I almost cried because I was ready to give up lol. So yes, tips and tricks have helped me sometimes. When I practiced. But in the end, I like the way I paint and what I paint. Good video Liron.
Hi Liron, I get what you're saying, but I think this might apply more to intermediate artists, not beginners. Beginners don't know what they don't know, and going it alone could result in frustration that could lead a beginner to give up. As a beginner, I'm thankful for artists who share their tips and tricks.
I definitely agree that when you simply don’t know what you don’t know, there is an information acquisition process that is pretty much part of the path (:
But the danger is also there for beginners, to take it on faith and “believe” what they are told fully, without examining it for themselves.
Then there needs to be a simultaneous process of unlearning. Will talk about it a bit in my next video 🙏🏼
When I started to learn to paint (self taught), | watched every YT video I could find and I would slavishly copy what was being taught to me on screen. As time went on and I began to get the hang of watercolour a little I started to concentrate more on those YT channels that reflected more what I wanted to paint, and in what style. These days I do still follow some channels and I do sometimes work through a tutorial but I usually find myself adapting what's being created to fit my own style and design. And I usually find that I do my most satisfying work when I'm painting my own ideas. YT videos are a great way to learn techniques etc., but if you want to progress there comes a point when you just have to abandon tutorials and create in your own way. That's when you really start to create art.
And a lot of comments seem to cancel each other out.
Yes, and that indeed tells you all that you need to know (:
Art i so subjective! Do what you find you love doing, don't always be put off by people who say its unforgiving x the most difficult. I love it x i would never put people off . Try it find someone whose teaching you admire. Learn the very basics x then learn on the job believe me practice does make improvements! I knew soo little when i started painting again after years of not doing any, lnow i paint everyday,am my worst critic, doesn't put me off. One thing i would dare to offer is learn to really look at what your painting, learn to really observe x it amazing how you improve above all else enjoy painting! When you create something on the blank sheet of paper x it comes to life its a wonderful feeling!!👩🎨
❤thankyou Liron i enjoyed watching you paint and truly respect your advice love your colors there certainly no magic to watercolors the magic comes with confidence and having the courage to try and practice is certainly the most important tool for me. Keep on giving your precious advice I enjoy tutorials I don’t always do them but I paint everyday. 😊take good care and keep enjoying your art.
Thank you for your thoughts! Everyone has their own baggage, some of a more specific kind than others. I've been using watercolors for 18 years, never really liked it, but it is still my main medium, because it is intuitive, you never have to match the tone of the mix, just the color and the amount of water. It is practical and easy to cleanup. But I always wanted to paint heavier, and all the talk about how watercolor should be "luminous" and "resonant" (forgive the literal translation of the latter) gave me a headache. Over the years I am approaching the look that I strive for, but watercolor is suboptimal for that. And then three years ago I tried chalk pastels and they are so tactile and deep and thick - everything I want my art to be. But they are dusty, cleaning is laborious, the works are very fragile... It's a tradeoff.
Haha indeed! I think the medium of choice really depends both on how you experience the process, and what you want your paintings to look like.
You also raised a really good point regarding achieving luminousity / vibrancy etc... These are arbitrary rules and so called guidelines.
At the end of the day, merely looking at your painting will let you know if you achieved the result you're after.
And if you haven't - you can simply make moves to make it more of what you like (either by changing how you paint, or even switching media altogether, as you mentioned), rather than chase rules of how one should paint (:
Thank you for watching! 🙏
I agree wholeheartedly with your views.
There is so much to unpack here. If I were responding to that comment I would ask the person what their experience with art is first. If that person is trying to get started with their art life and asked me that question here's what I'd say.
Get a good sketchbook for you and your budget. Not too big not too small. Don't worry about 100% cotton. Just an all around sketchbook. Don't pay any attention to the people that use sketchbooks to do finished products. To me that is nonsense. A sketchbook should be a mess.
Then get a small set of pencils, or at least 3 pencils hard medium and soft. An eraser preferably kneaded, and a pencil sharpener. And that's it.
Then start drawing everything. You let your own capabilities and adventures dictate the tools you need. Take pictures of things you like and inspire you to move forward and draw them. Also a kitchen is one of the best places in the world to explore. Simply because there is so much stuff in a kitchen that may be unrelated to each other. Especially in a kitchen drawer. It's a great place to work on line quality and perspective. And all these riches are just in the next room. If you draw something that you didn't like, but it looks whimsical, and you like it, go with that. When you can breath life into a toaster, you've hit on something more valuable than owning the best watercolors.
Just starting the adventure is the important thing. And that adventure can go in a million directions. Maybe you find what you want to do renders paint of any sort irrelevant.
The great thing about a beginner is they don't have a comfort zone. Which is the best thing for creativity and exploration.
Great advice. Thank you.
One thing I learnt along my journey was that you have to really want to learn and you can only learn techniques that you’re ready to learn, having reached a certain level and are ready to learn the next level. It’s all practice and discovering the technicalities for yourself as you learn. I totally get what you said 😃
I started with acrylics because I'm poor.😅 I thought I just didn't like painting from that. Then I tried watercolor and was able to do anything I wanted. But fundamentally I'm mixed media. I still use acrylics on top fairly often in areas, but never much. Plus, I tend to paint hyper realistic, not loose, not impressionistic. People HATE that I use watercolor for super clean, tight work. I horrified a watercolor teacher with some of things I did. Lol.😂 But I get the results I want. I paint with a dirty palette on unstretched paper of lots of different weights with cheap brushes.
Advice can be poison. Treat it as a guide post. You know where you want to go. Maybe the guide post shows you what lies at the end of two paths and so makes your journey easier.
But maybe a strong wind is blowing. That guide post has been spun in place. It's up to you to decide what to do now.
Great analogy (:
Also, the experience you described makes so much sense to me.
Watercolor doesn't have to be flowy, loose and impressionistic.
That's exactly how teachers and advice ends up stunting the true growth of endless artists over the span of history.
There's something fascinating to discovering a path you are interested in, on your own, that steers clear of the norms almost entirely 🎨
Happy you found that path!
Hey Liron, just wanted to tell you and your family Im praying for you (just heard the news). Love you buddy.
Thank you so so much my friend 😊🙏🏼
I really appreciate it. Last night was scary but I’m done letting it take me off the path.
By the way, I have planned for the video you requested of the London bridge in color to be out soon, perhaps this week. We’ll see (:
By the way I have learnt a lot from watching you paint and listening to you.
Having a good teacher is important. I took a class in my 20s and hated watercolor. I ended up not touching the medium again until I was in my 50s. Now I’m in love with it. What was the difference? I found a good teacher online. One that explained how to use watercolor. I’m glad I started using watercolor again. It’s really not that hard. You have to use it how you like to paint. And i find it very forgiving. You can almost wash it off and start over if it’s that bad. lol. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I don’t understand some professors who try to make it hard to succeed. I wonder if they like keeping this medium to themselves. 🤔Maybe they like feeling superior. 🤷🏻♀️I hope I help my students fall in love with watercolor. ❤❤❤ It’s really a beautiful and fun medium in my opinion.
It is all the above you mentioned (:
Teachers build egos around the teaching. They definitely have an interest in making things more complex than they truly are.
It gives a feeling of self-importance.
Nothing wrong with that, almost every human suffers from this.
It's just not an effective way to guide / teach.
So happy you were able to turn it around and rediscover this beautiful medium 😊
Howard Jones artist from u.k and has ytube channel thinks and approaches watercolour art with a teaching very similar to you. Worth checking him out..I think you could relate. Thanks Liron 😊👍
I agree, and I'd go further. The majority of art advice and tutoring comes from a bad place, a need to make money from art that isn't making money. So they quickly find themselves running out of ideas and just get sloppy and start inventing crap. If I ever find myself teaching art then I have failed at making art. I may do it but I'd be doing it knowing I am conning people for clout and money. For we have a basic need for art education, but it is basic - composition, perspective, colour mixing, etc. With watercolour you could teach everything anyone needs to know in hours, then it is all on you to practice, and check in every 3-6 months with a mentor.
Like look at all these UA-cam videos entitled something like; This Is How You Paint A Boat - no it isn't. This is how that artist, painted this scene, with that composition, with that lighting using these tools. It teaches nothing about painting boat - each scene should be approached with fresh eyes, not with some random UA-camr at the back of your head. And in turn all those videos devalues the art and the mystic of the artist. You can make an art video for 1 of 3 purposes; entertainment, tutoring, sales pitch. A sales pitch is a good reason for a video that we rarely see, but it doesn't devalue the art or the artist - it adds value if anything. Entertainment is OK, but the artist needs to understand that the video is now the art and not the painting itself. And tutoring is OK, if the artist understands that this is the trap they are setting up for themselves - it will devalue their work and they will be stuck doing this for the rest of their life, because their art will rarely make what they make from tutoring.
So my advice to anyone is get a basic art education, find someone that can mentor you, and then paint, paint, paint & paint - check in with mentor every 3 months and repeat. What really saddens my heart is, I know people that want to create art. And these people spent the majority of their free time watching UA-cam videos and haven't picked up a brush - and I just think if they had started a daily practice of painting 12 months ago then they would be a good artist now. Reading all the books on pottery doesn't make you a potter - a potter makes 100's of bad pots to get good. And we have no shortcuts to getting good at something other than doing that thing and failing drastically.
If you ask bad questions, don’t be surprised when you get bad answers.
Sir 😀, right now I am painting something, it is taking me many days to do and right now I am getting very tired of painting. Something is not going right with the colours and I am not able to make the colours at the first time and some time I go near the colours of the actual picture but when it drys it changes and I try again and again and this is making me very tired, sad and I am having lack of motivation 🙁. I am doing a old master painting and they are already hard to do and I am doing it with watercolors. Please help me what to do 🙏
🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻Have you tried wetting small areas and working in sections? I wonder if your reference photo is not that good. Sometimes my painting turns out bad because of the photo reference.
@@stampinturtles I have worked in sections but when I am done with one section the other one gets bad, I think that my reference photo is not very good, at first I thought that it was the full painting but later I discovered that it was a crop version , that is also making it hard....
@@stampinturtles Thank you for the help and advice 😃
@@goldenpigeoninhindi1191 you’re welcome. I’m glad I can help. I know it’s frustrating when your art piece isn’t turning out how you want. I’ve done a few commissions that I hate and ended up telling the person I can’t do it. (It’s always because the photo they gave me is awful in some way. Blurry, dark, bad angle). One time I painted the dog 3x and still just didn’t like how it turned out. I moved on to the next piece. Don’t let the “failure” (not really a failure) stop you from creating. You have a passion for art and you are capable of making it. Keep going. ❤️🖼️🙏🏻
If you don't enjoy a process - you have no obligation of continuing it (:
Why are you pursuing this master study? What compelled or got you to do it in the first place?
I love watercolour. It's the only medium I have found that contributes to the painting. All the other paint and drawing tools show the flaws in my technique. Watercolour is kind.
I don't know easy or hard as an objective metric. Watercolour is the best match for my brain. That's all I need to know.
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It’s hard to know when to ignore advice. And it’s so easy to give. My advice? Why paint a strawberry with the seeds on the outside when there are so many tomatoes with the seeds are inside where you don’t have to paint them. 🍓🍅
Can I get some advice on normal painting except water painting pls sir
bro is speaking facccss
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