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Freestyle Tai Chi Push Hands Championship: ICMAC 2023
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2023
- Enjoy these highlights from the ICMAC 2023 World Championship. This is a real competitive martial arts event; not a fanciful demonstration of imaginary Tai Chi skills.
Rules for Moving Step (Freestyle) Tai Chi Push Hands:
* Score by off-balancing the opponent, or knocking them down or out of the ring.
* No striking.
* No grabbing legs, clothing or neck.
Which was your favorite technique?
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Authentic taiji is so profound for a mind that is already fixated.
It's like Sumo for skinny people 😃
😂🤣😭…Sumo light feather weight!
In Chen Village, they don't teach push hands for a number of years (3-7) because they don't want the student to just wind up doing muscular Shuai Jiao type techniques. Shuai Jiao, wrestling, use of force, etc., are not Taijiquan. The push-hands bouts in Western tournaments isn't really Taijiquan, either, for that same reason.
Chen Village. ua-cam.com/video/19QB2goi49c/v-deo.html
Chen Village. ua-cam.com/video/fc0QVgeh23I/v-deo.html
Chen Village. ua-cam.com/video/dFH7buPEOOI/v-deo.html
@@ShorelineTaiChi I've seen all those videos before. Not sure what you think they mean, but it doesn't affect what I posted above.
Anyone can watch these videos and decide for themselves what they mean. Thanks for your comment.
Thank you for sharing- you are solid!
05:03 Here it is
5:04 So there's the tai chi counter to the Judo throw.When the man who looks like he goes to the gym gets beat by the one who doesn't, that's tai chi.
I guess I dont understand this type of competition. It starts off looking like typical push hands and then morphs into wrestling. Is grabbing alowed?
No grabbing legs, clothing or neck. Yes to other grabs IIRC.
Thanks for posting.
like in many other championships very few taichi principles. Just brute force where the stronger always wins. They bet on root and have no agility.
Obviously your statement is not true. The first person lost by leaning, as did the last, and many in between.
@@ShorelineTaiChi the level of colliding (force against force) is so useless that really doesn't match the taichi principles anymore. It is something I would expect in some forms of taichi wrestling but not here
You simply have no understanding of Tai Chi principles. Even on the very first point -- the smaller person won.
Ok granted, I practice push hands but do much more form work. I find this kind of competition strange in terms of taiji and would like some clarification.
Where's the song? I'm seeing arched backs, lots of shoulder tension, and bracing against their opponent. I'm seeing very little liu, hua or peng in use.
This is fine as wrestling, is probably good fun, and would certainly take practice, strength and skill - but how is this any more taiji than some other type of wrestling? Not that what I'm describing is unique to this particular competition at all. It seems normal for push hands competitions.
It seems more like they start the typical push hands circular thing with the arms for a moment , then drop anything taiji related for wrestling as soon as someone adds any kind of aggressiveness (the positive sporting type, of course. Everyone here seems to be bringing good vibes, an accomplishment of its own imho!). Please don't take this as taiji bashing, it's not (practicing on and off since 1996, myself).
Maybe I'm making too much of it, I don't know.
Making too much of it? Not at all. I am happy to address your comments in depth.
First... this event was approximately 30 minutes long. I have tried posting raw footage of other events in the past, and the consensus feedback was, this is all too boring. We just want to see the highlights.
So what you are seeing in this video are the most active, aggressive, and decisive moments of the competition.
When competitors were just standing around -- feeling relaxed and sensing energies with no consequential outcome -- that was deliberately cut from the video.
Second... any expert can spot the differences between this event and wrestling. It is more upright. The holds are shorter and shallower. No grabs allowed to neck or legs. Et cetera. To call this wrestling is very much a mǎmǎhūhū observation.
You may already know the mǎmǎhūhū 马马虎虎 story, but for those who do not, I will summarize.
A painter is drawing a tiger, when a new customer enters his shop. The customer wants a horse. So the painter draws some horse legs on the bottom of the half-finished tiger and sells it. The customer loves the painting and takes it home, where his sons admire and study it. One day the son encounters a real tiger, declares it to be a horse, tries to ride on it, and is devoured. End of story.
"Competitive push hands is just wrestling" is a mǎmǎhūhū meme, created by phony Taiji masters, to extend the life of their poor instructional product. They want to keep selling half-drawn tigers, to an audience who has never seen a real one.
Third... The event rules are frequently improvised. This is a genuine problem. One set of rules is provided to competitors in advance, and a slightly different set is applied during the match. This fosters anxiety in all the competitors, and makes them look and perform worse than their peers in other styles of martial arts.
Dude, you gotta start somewhere. No one starts highly skilled.
0:39 Very nice redirect!
Nice tuishou....💪💪💪👍👍👍
I dug everything you did in this one. Great job like always! Did you get the fixed step? Just wasn't in the cards for us to attend even though that used to be my main tournament. All the pictures coming out make it seem like it was one for the books!
Yes, it was a huge competition this year. I have portions of the other events on video. Will publish if you want to see them.
@@ShorelineTaiChi I would love to see them. I had so many friends and old class mates there from the years. Seeing the videos helps me feel like I am back there!
You did some great stuff in this one tho. That sweep.I mean perfect.
Nice Chris @:40 and Andrew at 4:44
Is there a class classification based on weight in this competition?
Yes, there are weight classes.
in yellow T shirt guy is perfect! That is real Tai Ji Push hand!
As far as you know, is tai chi derived from shuai jiao? I know it's a generic term for wrestling in China, but is Tai Chi a distinct tradition, or a branch of the martial art we would call Shuai Jiao?
Early 20th century Yang style Tai Chi is not a branch of Shuai Jiao. Look at the importance of striking and weapons training, the taboo around jacket grips, et cetera.
But where is the softness?
06:08 it is valid?
Explicitly cleared in advance with the judges.
2 judo lessons, and you can defeat anyone at this tournament
Can you schedule two judo lessons and attend next year?
love this response, lol.@@ShorelineTaiChi
@@ShorelineTaiChi OMG, great response! 👍💪
This would make more sense to me if you were wearing armour. It just explains why you increase your skills with these types of sensitivity drills. Koryu Bujutsu that was refined into Gendai equivalent eg Aikido. Hsing Yi is spear refined to empty hand forms. Can we reverse the Chen into white crane, yes. Can we reverse the empty hand into weapons? I surmise all systems are refined from the weapon form first , armoured and from War martial arts then later re systemised into modern era MMA of description. I have played with Bagua and some Hsing Yi so also I think it’s imperative to experience and feel what the internal arts offer and the different approaches. I remember being told at forty I was finally old enough to finally learn Baguazhang. It wasn’t until I understood that he was right did I understand.
Jutsuka here, it’s PUSHING not THROWING.
Frankly looks dangerous, no mats, and a table is right next to the boundary
You're right. They should have put mats down and moved the table back.
How can they concentrate with that loud music playing? 😂
Where’s Niko in this one?
He did not attend this event.
sifu, the way you stand there is very "peng"
Disappointed I was hoping to see unbalancing techniques etc .
But it’s just the strongest wins with very little or no technique