Feels good to see some people still care about the true value and quality of products! Selling products who are promoted with specs that are not met is simply robery. Thanks for your great work, Shane!
The thoroughness of your reviews is most commendable. The clarity of your feedback is fantastic. The spirit of "ship it first, fix it later" in tech is most disgraceful. Where price used to equate quality and superior manufacturing standards, now price is used to colour the perception of the buyer, falsely implying correlation. There's a pressing need for severe repercussions for false claims & false advertisements. Thanks to the likes of @gplama spreading the word of caution about bad products through objective data-led reviews, we will hold companies and the corrupt teams behind them accountable. We will tighten those screws!
I ordered the tacx neo 2t last May 2020, but cant wait for the neo, so i bought the magene t300 july 2020 $900 with ant+ usb, cord, TA converters, training mat, 1 year warranty, now come august 2020 the tacx neo 2t arrived! Now i have 2 smart trainers im still using the magene, so far so good
They make other stuff that's ok, speed and cadence senors and heart rate monitors. I've had a few and found them to be perfectly fine. Probably stick to their lower value stuff though!
Having 1 for half a year now and using the device 3-4 times a week.. no complaints thus far and has been performing perfectly with some updates along the way.
Thank you for highlighting ACCC standards. It must be emphasised (read carefully companies) that the ACCC standards set the bare minimums by which they should operate, not what should be extended as a gesture of good will.
Listing the moment of inertia instead of weight makes much more sense when comparing how much energy is needed to make the flywheel spin, this should be a standard in trainer datasheets
I bought this last August during our lockdown. Used it around 10 times and then lockdown was lifted :). I bought it for around $600 since I'm based in Vietnam.
I feel these accuracy claims come from the same people making aero claims. "30s faster than our old wheels!" (at one particular angle at one particular speed in one particular wind tunnel.) and then these trainers are "+/- 1.5% accuracy!" (On one particular ride, in one particular air conditioned room, compared to one particular power meter.)
Yep. These companies need to take into account the average cyclist is now able to put these claims to the test, well, the power accuracy claims. Aero is a LOT harder. Maybe if these aero sensors become as simple and easy as power meters they'll also be put to the sword.
@china cycling In your video review you say on 6:48 "Is it accurate? - YES" why so? what was the difference in testing standards? maybe that was difference between units? is it possible that this will go after an firmware upgrade? or is this a hardware issue?
Cheers. Way too many days on this one.... Products that meet spec are so much easier to cover. They simply work and there's no need to test and retest and....
Moment of inertia is more relevant and scientifically correct way to express mass of rotating body. Consider these extreme cases. If the rotating wheel was 100kg but with all the mass very close to the axis of rotation, it will feel very light when u try to rotate it. But a disc of 10kg with most of its mass far away from its axis will be hard to set it to rotate. The key to design flywheels to give road like behavior without adding too much product weight is to increase its moment of inertia, not just its mass.
I am a Chinese rider. It is well known in China that the accuracy of each magene trainer is quite different from others. Maybe a few of magene trainers are accurate, but I have never seen.
Great review. I have a friend with this unit and had been using the Ergo mode for training. His inability to smoothly perform his workouts to completion had made me suspicious about the unit's power accuracy over time for a while now.
I just brought it last week, done 9 ride in a week 😂 Amazing on the noise.. ermm... Seriously, you can only hear the sound of your drivetrain, and the smart trainer itself is almost silent. Good experience for me for my first smart trainer. By the way I have an unboxing video in my UA-cam channel..
Maybe thermal drift at the end of races is a feature that sells trainers in China, here it's a defect. I'm happy Magene is sending you their stuff, it's a sign they are looking to expand. Similar to Toyota's method to access western markets. Listen to your critics and make the required changes.
That you have to disclaimer that this is not 'your opinion but rather the facts' sadly speaks to how post truth/alternative facts we are now. Erosion of expert analysis really is a plight.
Good review. Interesting you highlight the impact of false and misleading claims. There are so many ridiculous snake oil product claims in the cycling space. I guess sooner or later a test case will take place, probably in the US. Watching the dust settle will be worth it.
I've owned this trainer now for about a year... still within the one-year warranty period, it has gone back to the factory for repairs at least 3 times. The power supply adapter was changed once and the mother board has been changed twice. I'm not sure the ERG function really works as "true" ERG. maybe the issue is with my unit, specifically or with the design of the T300. Magene claims that their ERG feature simply provides a "range" and the rider should work to keep steady power by keeping cadence (and speed stead), lol. So maybe their definition of ERG is different than the rest of the world, but that's their story and they're sticking to it, but in my view, swings and spikes of 20-30% or more are not / should not be a normal thing. They also claimed that the instability of the power (resistance) of the unit, in my case, is related to the variation of the power (current) coming out of the electrical socket in the room where I ride, and they suggested I try different rooms... comical response, but, unfortunately quite typical of the lack of competence within their technical customer service team. In short, I would not recommend this unit, at least not before testing it to make sure that the ERG mode operation is what you need / expect. If you are thinking about buying it just for "free rides" on virtual riding platforms like Zwift or Rouvy or whatever, then I supposed it doesn't matter whether the ERG works or not.
I have been using this trainer since January... same issues and over reads so you look good in game but in reality you still weak. So I use my Quarq as my power source so I am comfortable with that for sure. Quarq as power source and trainer as my controllable and it works very well this way. The trainer is solidly built so the only issue is the power ... accuracy...
The flywheel is probably close to a solid cylinder, which has a Moment of Inertia of ½MR². If you could get a look at the flywheel and measure its radius, you could take the Moment of Inertia given in the specs and solve for the mass. Having said that, with such poor power accuracy, the unknown mass of the flywheel is the least of this unit's problems. 😱
I agree that flywheels should be compared by inertia and not weight. I cringe each time that I see a review comparing the weight of two flywheels (trainer X has a better ride feel than trainer Y because trainer X flywheel is heavier... that's not exactly how it works).
@@carlblanchette4826 So true. Not defending the manufactures who provide information about mass instead of rotational inertia, but considering the fact that all these flywheels are solid cylinders (at least all that I've seen), their moment of inertias are proportional to their masses. So, a trainer with twice the mass would have twice the inertia. The problem with this is if a manufacturer equips their trainer with a flywheel that does not use a solid cylinder design. It would be easy for such a design to produce a moment of inertia with less mass but greater rotational inertia. So, your point remains strong and true. Specs should quote rotational inertia and not mass. But that would be logical and we live in anything but logical times! 😨
@@MrLuigi-oi7gm Having had to remove it for repairs, I can tell you that the WAHOO KICKR's flywheel is not a solid cylinder. It is cup-shaped with most of the mass on the perimeter.
@@bobwatkins1271 Thanks for that info, Bob! I've owned three trainers and all had solid cylinders for flywheels. That always seemed like an "inefficient" use of mass to create rotational inertia but I assumed it was done because it was cheaper to manufacture a solid cylinder that was acceptably balanced. +1 for the Wahoo Kicker!!!
@@MrLuigi-oi7gm I'm almost disappointed that I'm not able to be the person who gets to convert MMoI to kg with some very judicial assumptions! I haven't stripped mine down, but the Elite Direto I use appears to have a plastic wheel with (presumably) a chunkier metal rim.
Hi I'm surprised how expensive it is in Australia. In Malaysia this unit cost me AUD900 only. And really thank you for ur thorough research on this unit.
I have Magene T300 and Favero Assioma Shi Duo, I've noticed the similar problem. As a casual trainer, though it's a little bit annoying, the Magene T300 has almost the best value you can get. So I am fine. (PS: T300 requires you to do spin down every 2 weeks or so, spinning down does help to get more accurate result)
hello, sorry to bother you, but in your opinion? is it worth it or not? because in my country (indonesia) it has the same price with Thinkrider X7 (and X5 Neo slightly below).. and Elite Suito with price US$ 100-200 above magene t300 is it okay or just fine or good for that price? thank you
@@rhezaandrianta2380 for trainer I only own T300, I've noticed the change of sensitivity (compared with favero assioma pedal powermeter) when heat goes up (especially in erg mode in zwift), so in order to have some accurate results, I may have to spin down every time I ride, because I owned T300 first and then assioma pedal later, so my advice would be having pedal powermeter (assioma is super good and only a price similar to T300) + trainer with resistance only, so u can both monitoring ur power indoor and outdoor, and with a rather cheaper investment, just my own opinion
FYI, moment of inertia is a far better way to quantify a flywheel's effect as it is a function of both mass and how that mass is distributed in the flywheel. Mass or weight is a really poor way to quantify a flywheels' effect since it completely ignores how that mass is distributed. I suspect that most trainer companies report mass/weight of flywheel instead of MOI because they either want to keep proprietary the actual shape and construction of the flywheel or because they think that customers won't know the difference between mass/weight and MOI. An example of how useless mass is to quantify anything about rotational motion consider this: Lennard Zinn (VeloNews tech guy) measured the MOI for a Zipp 202 front wheel to be 0.027kg*m^2 with the mass being 0.464kg. A standard 21.59cm diameter bowling ball with a mass of 5.79kg (12.5 times more mass than the Zipp wheel!) has the same MOI as that wheel! I'll bet few would guess that after hefting each.
So - basically it's the same as my gen1 kickr then, for lot's of money - my kickr has drift as well, so I always use my assioma duos for power. Have you ever encountered drift on a gen4? I'm happy with my gen1 though, even if I had a Gen5, I would use the Assioma duos for power, so I'm not questioning "good leg days" in or outdoors. I'd happily buy a smart trainer that is much cheaper because they don't spend money on power accuracy development because of this. - you can check my gen1 kickr power drift on the Tour de Oz zwiftpower - analysis I uploaded. I zero offset the duos before stage 1 and stage 3. I didn't get time to spindown the kickr as I left my warmup too late. But stage 1 and 2 were back to back. When the kickr didn't get a warm up, it massively over read, 2nd stage and it got better as it's operating temp got to the same temp I did a spindown the day before. Stage 3 - again I didn't get a proper warmup in, it took the kickr 15 mins or so to start agreeing with the Duos somewhat.
@@timdixo On Taobao, Magene official store in now at 590 USD after discount. I saw it at 560 as well. Please mind that Taobao works only for delivery to China. There is also a Taobao International but they do not delivery to all countries, prices are different and product selection as well (you may not find T300).
@@thelmaviaduct yes for sure. I have a Neo, I need a second trainer for traveling. Living in China and having after sales service is a plus. I want to wait for next software update. Many expat are using it in China and they are quite satisfied.
Great analysis as usual. GPLama, backers of the Magene P325 Kickstarter project are concerned about the lack of updates from Magene. As an influencer, could you have a word with Magene and encourage better PR post-funding?
@@gplama I thought you'll say that. Well, I guess we all had hoped based on your findings and the changes they proceeded to make, it would be a good product for the price. I had imagined they'd even send you the pre-shipment product for one more independent review. Thanks for always keeping the market honest. We need more like you - even though we sometimes follow our hearts/wallets over numbers - wait, wallet = numbers, or is it?
I have the T300 since last year and I think it does its job. With Strava, if you do high cadence in big gears, the flywheel will spin so fast that it can not precisely control the resistance. Plus construct reliability is actually better than tacx.
I trust Magene- recently I dropped belt with Magene HR sensor into washing machine. After washing cycle was finished, sensor worked without issue. One side was disconnected from the belt when spinner inside, so battery kept charge.
Except most trainers are about to be available again soon and the tacx neo and H3 are still available. This is probably mostly for people in Asia. Don’t underestimate the China/Hong Kong bike market.
Thanks for testing this T300 unit Shane. I’ve seen these for under $700USD through Alibaba, which made me curious. But considering the lack of local shop support, questionable company support, thru-axle adapters not included, cassette not included, and the highlighted issues with accuracy and temperature drift, It now looks like much less of a bargain.
In China mkt, now it’s around 550usd with a 11-28 11 speed cassette. The cassette quality is not so good. Users usually use 105 cassette to replace it. Local customers are happy if they could choose from 8-11 speed cassette or without cassette. T300 doesn’t have an actual power meter. It only has algorithm. Maybe that’s why has so much heat drifting.
Very detailed review. Great shane! Have you tried warming up for 30mins at 150w before calibrating? Maybe that might solve the power reading? As china cycling said in his own review 10mins at 100w warmup isn't enough.
30mins at 150w isn’t a lot of warm up to be honest. 10mins hard riding will be better. Regardless, the drift on this trainer was horrible. Without better temperature compensation it’ll always be inaccurate.
Hi Shane. The new flywheel speed accuracy test. Have you tested some older trainers with this ? Like the Flux S 2 and the Kickr Core? I've reported this issue some time ago with my Flux S (on trainerroad forum) and happy to see that you include this test in ur reviews!
I’d take a while to loop back to older models with all the new tests. I will if there’s a enough demand. Getting issues resolved with trainers that are near the end of their product lifecycle would be difficult.
Got the same problem with what you tested, my T300 under read the power reading.. I am using Favero Assioma Duo as the comparison, hope they can fix this with a firmware update.. I tried to email them about this a month ago but haven't got any reply so far..
Not happy that Magene didn't provide you with the through axle adapter, it would have been nice to know if they provide native through axle support or if it's some convoluted solution that tries to turn through axle frames into quick release frames, like the solution for the original Tacx Neo. It turned out that this information wasn't very easy to find at all. Someone had a clip where it looked like native support, though.
If it makes any difference, I got this trainer in Nov 2020 and it came with various TA adaptors. They are machined metal rings (basically) that slot into the trainer and just allow you to use your standard TA from your actual bike.
I have made more than 100 test rides with Magene T300. When I ask Magene about accuraacy problems, they send me answer, that i need to tighten transmission belt a little and will be good :O USB stick isn't ANT+, but BLE (please check, maybe you received something else for test). Flywheel inertiion is high, just look on flywheel photo photos.app.goo.gl/npn2VndXc9d38xk79 Power drift comes from resistance unit, they are using electromagnets and neodym magnets (magnets doesnt move). And when you set tension belt for spindown time about 40s +-0,5s, when trainer is cool, then 4 minutes of warmup @200W gives you good numbers without temp drift, but still sprints power data are to high.
@@gplamaThank you for the response Shane! I am looking forward to your test as I see that the T300 Plus has address many of your cons such as including Thru-Axle adapters & adding cadence data. Hopefully they have address the power accuracy and thermal drift as well to warrant my purchase! Can’t wait for your video 🙏🏻
Hi Shane, perhaps a dumb question for a beginner Zwifter, i noticed you didn’t change any gear when going up and down the ERG wattage prescribed. Means you only let the trainer adjust itself (increase/reduce flywheel speed) yes? Doesn’t the trainer power bog you down if you remain in the same gear though?
@@gplama Hi Shane. Watched this 2 times. Here in Indonesia Magene is so popular including this trainer, because of the price and the availability comparing to the other brands. is it possible to “fix” the power accuracy using powermatch(TrainerRoad)? Use power data based on power meter(stages) to drive the trainer ERG mode?
@@ramadhanratrifarhandy9860 Power data is "fixed" by using another power meter, yes. As for ERG control, no. That's likely due to it not implementing Bluetooth FTMS (similar to ANT+ FE-C standards). By all reports TrainerRoad have added support in future builds.
for calibration, if you're using something like the V3's for in-game power, but a trainer as a controllable trainer, do you have to calibrate it? Or is the calibration only if you're using the trainer for power, too? Thanks again!
I have been using this trainer for around 6 months. And I also notice some wonky power number with my feeling. I have been doing erg mode at 200 watt for my workout and my heart rate was consistent at zone 3 (around 150-155 bpm) and that was around 1-2 months ago. However, these days when I am doing same erg mode at 200 watt (same power) my heart rate shoot up to zone 4 around 160+ bpm and it feels much harder to pedal. The effort of trying to tighten everything, calibration and, firmware update were done but nothing seems to fix this. Interestingly, my performance outdoor has been increased or at least not going down during this period. Hopefully, fixing firmware is coming soon as I don't want to spend any more money to by a new trainer. 😑
Hey Shane love the videos as Im starting to get really into indoor training. Can you please review the Jetblack Volt? Would really appreciate if you do.
Thanks, really appreciate the thoroughness for this review. You've given me some ideas for my V3's vs my saris cycleops H2. Also, for calibration, if you're using something like the V3's for in-game power, but a trainer as a controllable trainer, do you have to calibrate it? Or is the calibration only if you're using the trainer for power, too? Thanks again!
@@ysliu8052 your are crazy. I only comment the review of the video. If you check the video, the trainer is not very good. I only want to know which is better, t300 or x7.
Excellent video as always! I'm looking for advice as a beginner cyclist in Australia that wants to improve using power to train but I really don't want to spend a lot of cash. I have a wheel-on "dumb" fluid trainer right now (JetBlack Z1 Pro) and I have speed and cadence sensors on the way. I know I can use my dumb trainer+sensors on Zwift to get zPower but for more accuracy should I get a power meter and continue training on my dumb fluid trainer or get a smart trainer? For power meters, I'm leaning towards the Assioma Duo or Garmin Vector 3 so I can easily transfer them to a different bike (they still cost a lot of money for me as a beginner). For smart trainers, I have no idea which one is the most bang for the buck. So basically, should i spend my budget on a power meter and continue to train on my dumb trainer OR get a smart trainer?
New firmware finally came out a couple of weeks ago. Was hoping it would solve some of the power accuracy issues. Fail. Same same. I got a set of Assioma Duos about the same time as the firmware appeared and have been dual recording and comparing. I'm getting consistently 8-10% less power over the course of a ride from the Magene, mostly from massive drop-offs to almost zero whenever I reduce power slightly. It's like the thing panics when the power starts going down and thinks it has to go to zero before coming back up again. Fortunately it's still a reliable dynamic resistance unit for me.
The same happen to me, I've a Sigeyi axo powermeter with offset of 3% and usually the difference between the Magene T300 and the Sigeyi is around 9-10%, specially using erg mode. I would like to use this as a power meter, just to see my workouts smother. I'm thinking to build a tool to increase or reduce power data on fly just for fun.
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Hi Shane, watched this video and would like to ask whether there have been any updates to the Magene T300 in regards to the issues you had brought up? Currently, it is retailing in my country for S$780/USD$585 and would like to know whether you would recommend it at this price point. Or should I go for trainers such as the Tacx Flux 2 Smart Trainer is retailing for S$1270 = USD$954, the original Tacx Flux for S$990/USD$745 or the Wahoo Kickr Core for S$1288/USD$980. Also, I have a favero assioma duo which I assume could be used as the power meter instead of the Magene T300, which would fix the power inaccuracy stated in the video? Would the Magene T300 be a viable option then? Cheers!
No updates I’m aware of. An external power meter will be a workaround for the inaccuracies I’ve noted. As for which trainer to buy, that’s entirely up to you.
Could I ask please, what is the flooring you use in you pain cave. I’m currently in the process of converting my garage and would like to know what flooring you used please.... Your help would be appreciated....👍🏻
20:40 okay, do you say it is possible to use its full functionality (incl. ERG mode) using my Garmin Vector 3 connected (for workouts in Strava/Trainerroad?
Shane I live in Thailand and own one of these units as it was what I could afford. I wish I had seen your review before I bought it. I have been having a lot of trouble with it when I try to do any of the set trainings on Zwift. I am interested to know if Magene has any plans to fix these problems with the power?
this trainer will required you to have a power meter in your crank? what if you dont have power meter, what will happen on the Zwift and on your setup?
Looks very similar in to another brand. I would think onboard power generation would be offered up at this price point. Thru axle should be standard as well as Boost.
If I can get a hold of them. I’ll be straight up honest and say I’m not expecting any cheap trainer to be any good. Even the established trainer companies have issues with some of their trainers. Anyhow…. Let’s see.
So what Magene did well with the Gravat 2, despite it being a ripoff, is they made it both quieter and more stable (side to side) than the old Kickr. I guess it would be wishful thinking, to think they would continue that innovation and improve that model. Instead, they copied the latest Kickr, gave it a handle, and made it less stable.
One question, may be a stupid one. The power reported by this trainer is not good, and there are some other brands/product which are not so reliable/usable, too. For example the jet black(by the way, is it fixed by firmware update already or still a piece of crap?). My question is: If we use a separate power meter for example garmin vector 3 to act as power source in ziwft, will the trainer work correctly? I know it is a combination of measuring accuracy and algorithm problem. By the way, I am currently using bkool smart go, the power seems to be quite different when I change body position say from leaning on the handle bar to sitting up right. For my current situation, I guess it would be smarter for me to get a power meter instead of getting another smart trainer, so I can use the power meter for outdoor rides, too.
As mentioned in this video, it'll work 'properly' with another power meter. This is what I did for the Tour de Zwift Stage 3 test. RE: JetBlack... you'll need to specify which model not just the brand name.
@@gplama ua-cam.com/video/9ucVFY4BmUQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ShaneMiller-GPLama Oh my bad, I didn't know they have other models. They only sell the Jet Black Whisper in Hong Kong as far as I know for HKD$6700~AUD$1134. By the way, I missed your video that they solved the problem with a new firmware. I myself is currently using bkool smart go(wasn't able to find a good deal for better as good ones are all out of stock), the power measured varies as my shift my body weight, I wonder if using power meter could solve the problem.
If I use pedals as power source and t300 as a trainer with Zwift, is this inaccuracy really important? If I am not mistaking Zwift increase resistance by certainly amount on t300 and then compair it with power data from pedals. Later Zwift adjust the resistance again. Meaning it t300 accuracy doesn't really matter. Am I right?
Correct. You can use an alternate power source. It's still an important area they need to address as you're paying for it.... and other people might be relying on it as their only source of power.
@@gplama thank you. Since I am in China now and unable to repair my elite direto I think t300 which costs 570 USD is the best option for me so far since well-known like wahoo are around 1390 USD.
The handle is really neat... and I think the enclosed flywheel makes it neater.... but... there's issues with putting pants and a jacket on something that gets really hot.
Hi Shane, Thanks for the brilliant review. So, I already have an Favero Assioma and am looking at a smart trainer at around 740 USD. What would any of you recommend? 😁
@@gplama I look forward seeing the results. The trainer is really promising. And by the way one of the only ones that are still available in europe (probably caused by their unfamiliarity).
Feels good to see some people still care about the true value and quality of products! Selling products who are promoted with specs that are not met is simply robery. Thanks for your great work, Shane!
The thoroughness of your reviews is most commendable. The clarity of your feedback is fantastic. The spirit of "ship it first, fix it later" in tech is most disgraceful. Where price used to equate quality and superior manufacturing standards, now price is used to colour the perception of the buyer, falsely implying correlation. There's a pressing need for severe repercussions for false claims & false advertisements. Thanks to the likes of @gplama spreading the word of caution about bad products through objective data-led reviews, we will hold companies and the corrupt teams behind them accountable. We will tighten those screws!
There is a model of T300 which will to smoth the data ,and you can close it , I think. Maybe you have to learn how to use it .
Envious of the 1200 watt sprint, impressed by the level of professionalism displayed in this review. Thank you.
This has to be your best review yet. Well done, sir!
thank you very very much for the video!!! im looking for smart trainer and that info is really helpful . this world need more people like you😆
I ordered the tacx neo 2t last May 2020, but cant wait for the neo, so i bought the magene t300 july 2020 $900 with ant+ usb, cord, TA converters, training mat, 1 year warranty, now come august 2020 the tacx neo 2t arrived! Now i have 2 smart trainers im still using the magene, so far so good
If so far so good - why not sell the neo for a profit during these low-stock covid times?
@@nickzourikian4555 nope aint gonna sell anyone of them, time will come something will go kaput hehe
I'd never heard of Magene until now, and after this review I think that will remain the case 😎
They make other stuff that's ok, speed and cadence senors and heart rate monitors. I've had a few and found them to be perfectly fine. Probably stick to their lower value stuff though!
Agree with Chris,they make very nice sensors that run ~$12-15 and have performed as well as any others I've owned
The highlight of this thing was the disco lighting when it paired.
Having 1 for half a year now and using the device 3-4 times a week.. no complaints thus far and has been performing perfectly with some updates along the way.
Thank you for highlighting ACCC standards. It must be emphasised (read carefully companies) that the ACCC standards set the bare minimums by which they should operate, not what should be extended as a gesture of good will.
The ACCC are brutal... and rightly so. This equipment shouldn't be considered a toy.... Even then the ACCC are strict with toys too! :)
Listing the moment of inertia instead of weight makes much more sense when comparing how much energy is needed to make the flywheel spin, this should be a standard in trainer datasheets
Always enjoy your videos. Shane, looking forward for your review on T200 & its comparison to T100, T300 & other similar price range products as well.
I bought this last August during our lockdown. Used it around 10 times and then lockdown was lifted :). I bought it for around $600 since I'm based in Vietnam.
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Incredible evaluation and analysis! Great job!
Wicked Pissah Cool Video GPLama! I finally able to get a hold on a Wahoo Kicker last week after 4 months of waiting.😁🚴🏻
Thanks for the Review Shane !! I was waiting for a while 😁 ... Regards!!
I feel these accuracy claims come from the same people making aero claims. "30s faster than our old wheels!" (at one particular angle at one particular speed in one particular wind tunnel.) and then these trainers are "+/- 1.5% accuracy!" (On one particular ride, in one particular air conditioned room, compared to one particular power meter.)
Yep. These companies need to take into account the average cyclist is now able to put these claims to the test, well, the power accuracy claims. Aero is a LOT harder. Maybe if these aero sensors become as simple and easy as power meters they'll also be put to the sword.
@china cycling
In your video review you say on 6:48 "Is it accurate? - YES"
why so?
what was the difference in testing standards?
maybe that was difference between units?
is it possible that this will go after an firmware upgrade?
or is this a hardware issue?
Didnt you have a similar experience and did some calibration at higher watts that solved the problem?
@@Flyboard12345 I dont think he made it to 300 watts
@@ciscobalbontin1932 more like he is a paid "reviewer"
Thanks for the excellent review as always Shane!
Cheers. Way too many days on this one.... Products that meet spec are so much easier to cover. They simply work and there's no need to test and retest and....
Moment of inertia is more relevant and scientifically correct way to express mass of rotating body.
Consider these extreme cases.
If the rotating wheel was 100kg but with all the mass very close to the axis of rotation, it will feel very light when u try to rotate it. But a disc of 10kg with most of its mass far away from its axis will be hard to set it to rotate.
The key to design flywheels to give road like behavior without adding too much product weight is to increase its moment of inertia, not just its mass.
Excellent review as always, amazing amount of effort to produce such high quality data and video.
I am a Chinese rider. It is well known in China that the accuracy of each magene trainer is quite different from others. Maybe a few of magene trainers are accurate, but I have never seen.
we call it 欢乐计 don’t we lol
(Which means that it gives out numbers just for fun)
I have n=2 from this unit and same problem occurs on another T300 ;)
@@michwoz I had one magene trainer. It was 10% lower than my rotor power meter. Now I am using a Tacx Flux S, and feel very good!
Great review. I have a friend with this unit and had been using the Ergo mode for training. His inability to smoothly perform his workouts to completion had made me suspicious about the unit's power accuracy over time for a while now.
I just brought it last week, done 9 ride in a week 😂 Amazing on the noise.. ermm... Seriously, you can only hear the sound of your drivetrain, and the smart trainer itself is almost silent. Good experience for me for my first smart trainer. By the way I have an unboxing video in my UA-cam channel..
Maybe thermal drift at the end of races is a feature that sells trainers in China, here it's a defect. I'm happy Magene is sending you their stuff, it's a sign they are looking to expand. Similar to Toyota's method to access western markets. Listen to your critics and make the required changes.
That you have to disclaimer that this is not 'your opinion but rather the facts' sadly speaks to how post truth/alternative facts we are now. Erosion of expert analysis really is a plight.
Good review. Interesting you highlight the impact of false and misleading claims. There are so many ridiculous snake oil product claims in the cycling space. I guess sooner or later a test case will take place, probably in the US. Watching the dust settle will be worth it.
The ACCC in Australia will pick up on anything reported. They’re brilliant.
Thanks for the content Shane. I use Magene Hear Rate monitor. Wasn't aware they did anything else.
I've owned this trainer now for about a year... still within the one-year warranty period, it has gone back to the factory for repairs at least 3 times. The power supply adapter was changed once and the mother board has been changed twice.
I'm not sure the ERG function really works as "true" ERG. maybe the issue is with my unit, specifically or with the design of the T300. Magene claims that their ERG feature simply provides a "range" and the rider should work to keep steady power by keeping cadence (and speed stead), lol. So maybe their definition of ERG is different than the rest of the world, but that's their story and they're sticking to it, but in my view, swings and spikes of 20-30% or more are not / should not be a normal thing.
They also claimed that the instability of the power (resistance) of the unit, in my case, is related to the variation of the power (current) coming out of the electrical socket in the room where I ride, and they suggested I try different rooms... comical response, but, unfortunately quite typical of the lack of competence within their technical customer service team.
In short, I would not recommend this unit, at least not before testing it to make sure that the ERG mode operation is what you need / expect. If you are thinking about buying it just for "free rides" on virtual riding platforms like Zwift or Rouvy or whatever, then I supposed it doesn't matter whether the ERG works or not.
I'm waiting for my pre-order for this trainer, hope that they have fix the issues/problem that GP Lama mention in this channel after 4 months☺️
I have been using this trainer since January... same issues and over reads so you look good in game but in reality you still weak. So I use my Quarq as my power source so I am comfortable with that for sure. Quarq as power source and trainer as my controllable and it works very well this way. The trainer is solidly built so the only issue is the power ... accuracy...
The flywheel is probably close to a solid cylinder, which has a Moment of Inertia of ½MR². If you could get a look at the flywheel and measure its radius, you could take the Moment of Inertia given in the specs and solve for the mass. Having said that, with such poor power accuracy, the unknown mass of the flywheel is the least of this unit's problems. 😱
I agree that flywheels should be compared by inertia and not weight. I cringe each time that I see a review comparing the weight of two flywheels (trainer X has a better ride feel than trainer Y because trainer X flywheel is heavier... that's not exactly how it works).
@@carlblanchette4826 So true. Not defending the manufactures who provide information about mass instead of rotational inertia, but considering the fact that all these flywheels are solid cylinders (at least all that I've seen), their moment of inertias are proportional to their masses. So, a trainer with twice the mass would have twice the inertia. The problem with this is if a manufacturer equips their trainer with a flywheel that does not use a solid cylinder design. It would be easy for such a design to produce a moment of inertia with less mass but greater rotational inertia. So, your point remains strong and true. Specs should quote rotational inertia and not mass. But that would be logical and we live in anything but logical times! 😨
@@MrLuigi-oi7gm Having had to remove it for repairs, I can tell you that the WAHOO KICKR's flywheel is not a solid cylinder. It is cup-shaped with most of the mass on the perimeter.
@@bobwatkins1271 Thanks for that info, Bob! I've owned three trainers and all had solid cylinders for flywheels. That always seemed like an "inefficient" use of mass to create rotational inertia but I assumed it was done because it was cheaper to manufacture a solid cylinder that was acceptably balanced. +1 for the Wahoo Kicker!!!
@@MrLuigi-oi7gm I'm almost disappointed that I'm not able to be the person who gets to convert MMoI to kg with some very judicial assumptions! I haven't stripped mine down, but the Elite Direto I use appears to have a plastic wheel with (presumably) a chunkier metal rim.
Hi I'm surprised how expensive it is in Australia. In Malaysia this unit cost me AUD900 only. And really thank you for ur thorough research on this unit.
I have Magene T300 and Favero Assioma Shi Duo, I've noticed the similar problem. As a casual trainer, though it's a little bit annoying, the Magene T300 has almost the best value you can get. So I am fine. (PS: T300 requires you to do spin down every 2 weeks or so, spinning down does help to get more accurate result)
hello, sorry to bother you, but in your opinion? is it worth it or not?
because in my country (indonesia) it has the same price with Thinkrider X7 (and X5 Neo slightly below).. and Elite Suito with price US$ 100-200 above magene t300
is it okay or just fine or good for that price?
thank you
@@rhezaandrianta2380 for trainer I only own T300, I've noticed the change of sensitivity (compared with favero assioma pedal powermeter) when heat goes up (especially in erg mode in zwift), so in order to have some accurate results, I may have to spin down every time I ride, because I owned T300 first and then assioma pedal later, so my advice would be having pedal powermeter (assioma is super good and only a price similar to T300) + trainer with resistance only, so u can both monitoring ur power indoor and outdoor, and with a rather cheaper investment, just my own opinion
@@KY-pk2rd hi. Is it possible to use assioma as power source and erg mode from t300 during zwifting?
@@zikie63power source? You mean from which your bike computer/watch receives?
FYI, moment of inertia is a far better way to quantify a flywheel's effect as it is a function of both mass and how that mass is distributed in the flywheel. Mass or weight is a really poor way to quantify a flywheels' effect since it completely ignores how that mass is distributed. I suspect that most trainer companies report mass/weight of flywheel instead of MOI because they either want to keep proprietary the actual shape and construction of the flywheel or because they think that customers won't know the difference between mass/weight and MOI.
An example of how useless mass is to quantify anything about rotational motion consider this: Lennard Zinn (VeloNews tech guy) measured the MOI for a Zipp 202 front wheel to be 0.027kg*m^2 with the mass being 0.464kg. A standard 21.59cm diameter bowling ball with a mass of 5.79kg (12.5 times more mass than the Zipp wheel!) has the same MOI as that wheel! I'll bet few would guess that after hefting each.
So - basically it's the same as my gen1 kickr then, for lot's of money - my kickr has drift as well, so I always use my assioma duos for power. Have you ever encountered drift on a gen4?
I'm happy with my gen1 though, even if I had a Gen5, I would use the Assioma duos for power, so I'm not questioning "good leg days" in or outdoors.
I'd happily buy a smart trainer that is much cheaper because they don't spend money on power accuracy development because of this.
- you can check my gen1 kickr power drift on the Tour de Oz zwiftpower - analysis I uploaded. I zero offset the duos before stage 1 and stage 3. I didn't get time to spindown the kickr as I left my warmup too late. But stage 1 and 2 were back to back. When the kickr didn't get a warm up, it massively over read, 2nd stage and it got better as it's operating temp got to the same temp I did a spindown the day before.
Stage 3 - again I didn't get a proper warmup in, it took the kickr 15 mins or so to start agreeing with the Duos somewhat.
During discount periods you can find it for 560 USD here in China. I am considering it as a spare trainer on top of my Neo.
Which Chinese sites do you find those discounts? Cheers
@@timdixo On Taobao, Magene official store in now at 590 USD after discount. I saw it at 560 as well. Please mind that Taobao works only for delivery to China. There is also a Taobao International but they do not delivery to all countries, prices are different and product selection as well (you may not find T300).
@@edochina
Thanks Ed,would be purchasing on the Chinese site. Will need a solid discount given it’s quirks!
A $600 saving is still a $560 headache.
@@thelmaviaduct yes for sure. I have a Neo, I need a second trainer for traveling. Living in China and having after sales service is a plus. I want to wait for next software update. Many expat are using it in China and they are quite satisfied.
Great analysis as usual. GPLama, backers of the Magene P325 Kickstarter project are concerned about the lack of updates from Magene. As an influencer, could you have a word with Magene and encourage better PR post-funding?
My review of that power meter should have been enough of a warning for people NOT to invest that product.
@@gplama I thought you'll say that. Well, I guess we all had hoped based on your findings and the changes they proceeded to make, it would be a good product for the price. I had imagined they'd even send you the pre-shipment product for one more independent review. Thanks for always keeping the market honest. We need more like you - even though we sometimes follow our hearts/wallets over numbers - wait, wallet = numbers, or is it?
I have the T300 since last year and I think it does its job. With Strava, if you do high cadence in big gears, the flywheel will spin so fast that it can not precisely control the resistance. Plus construct reliability is actually better than tacx.
I trust Magene- recently I dropped belt with Magene HR sensor into washing machine. After washing cycle was finished, sensor worked without issue. One side was disconnected from the belt when spinner inside, so battery kept charge.
Noted. I’ll put this T300 in the wash and report back. 😉
@@gplama ahaha, go ahead!
Lol
I have already pre order this one T300, i hope it will works out perfectly🙏☺️
Why would you buy one of these, given that they are the same price as the Saris H3, Kickr Core?
Availability. That’s the only reason I can think of.
Except most trainers are about to be available again soon and the tacx neo and H3 are still available. This is probably mostly for people in Asia. Don’t underestimate the China/Hong Kong bike market.
Yep totally agree it's a pile on f crap 😂
It's actually less than half the price(4000cny) to buy in china, it's doesn't worth it if you have to pay a lot more
Got it for less than 500 usd in China. Perfect for the price here.
So the thermal drift after an hour on a hill was 15%, That seems like a massive amount
Thanks for testing this T300 unit Shane.
I’ve seen these for under $700USD through Alibaba, which made me curious. But considering the lack of local shop support, questionable company support, thru-axle adapters not included, cassette not included, and the highlighted issues with accuracy and temperature drift, It now looks like much less of a bargain.
AU$822.58 on AliExpress with AU$412 shipping. If you have to pay the 10% import on that it's back to normal price without a local warranty.
In China mkt, now it’s around 550usd with a 11-28 11 speed cassette. The cassette quality is not so good. Users usually use 105 cassette to replace it. Local customers are happy if they could choose from 8-11 speed cassette or without cassette. T300 doesn’t have an actual power meter. It only has algorithm. Maybe that’s why has so much heat drifting.
Very detailed review. Great shane! Have you tried warming up for 30mins at 150w before calibrating? Maybe that might solve the power reading? As china cycling said in his own review 10mins at 100w warmup isn't enough.
30mins at 150w isn’t a lot of warm up to be honest. 10mins hard riding will be better. Regardless, the drift on this trainer was horrible. Without better temperature compensation it’ll always be inaccurate.
Hi Shane. The new flywheel speed accuracy test. Have you tested some older trainers with this ? Like the Flux S 2 and the Kickr Core?
I've reported this issue some time ago with my Flux S (on trainerroad forum) and happy to see that you include this test in ur reviews!
I’d take a while to loop back to older models with all the new tests. I will if there’s a enough demand. Getting issues resolved with trainers that are near the end of their product lifecycle would be difficult.
Woohoo a new trainer, that I don't need :-). Pricing seems pricey for device that doesn't have a lot of brand recognition
Can get them on AliExpress for US$620.
Woohoo? Don't you mean Wahoo? 😝 Jokes aside, I agree with you about the price.
Got the same problem with what you tested, my T300 under read the power reading.. I am using Favero Assioma Duo as the comparison, hope they can fix this with a firmware update..
I tried to email them about this a month ago but haven't got any reply so far..
Not happy that Magene didn't provide you with the through axle adapter, it would have been nice to know if they provide native through axle support or if it's some convoluted solution that tries to turn through axle frames into quick release frames, like the solution for the original Tacx Neo. It turned out that this information wasn't very easy to find at all. Someone had a clip where it looked like native support, though.
If it makes any difference, I got this trainer in Nov 2020 and it came with various TA adaptors.
They are machined metal rings (basically) that slot into the trainer and just allow you to use your standard TA from your actual bike.
I have made more than 100 test rides with Magene T300. When I ask Magene about accuraacy problems, they send me answer, that i need to tighten transmission belt a little and will be good :O USB stick isn't ANT+, but BLE (please check, maybe you received something else for test). Flywheel inertiion is high, just look on flywheel photo photos.app.goo.gl/npn2VndXc9d38xk79 Power drift comes from resistance unit, they are using electromagnets and neodym magnets (magnets doesnt move). And when you set tension belt for spindown time about 40s +-0,5s, when trainer is cool, then 4 minutes of warmup @200W gives you good numbers without temp drift, but still sprints power data are to high.
I am a mortal, and not likely to put out 400W for an hour, so I guess this would be ok for me
Hi Shane, love your work! Can I check if you are getting the new T300 Plus to test and see if there are significant improvements?
I'm on the case. On paper there's not a lot I can see that's changed, likely why they went with 'Plus' and not T400.
@@gplamaThank you for the response Shane! I am looking forward to your test as I see that the T300 Plus has address many of your cons such as including Thru-Axle adapters & adding cadence data. Hopefully they have address the power accuracy and thermal drift as well to warrant my purchase! Can’t wait for your video 🙏🏻
Hi Shane, perhaps a dumb question for a beginner Zwifter, i noticed you didn’t change any gear when going up and down the ERG wattage prescribed. Means you only let the trainer adjust itself (increase/reduce flywheel speed) yes? Doesn’t the trainer power bog you down if you remain in the same gear though?
Here's a video all about ERG: ua-cam.com/video/LbeliW8uObk/v-deo.html
Thanks for this review
Thanks for watching. This was a few days in the making due to the re-testing, and me having to carefully choose my words when discussing the data.
@@gplama Hi Shane. Watched this 2 times. Here in Indonesia Magene is so popular including this trainer, because of the price and the availability comparing to the other brands. is it possible to “fix” the power accuracy using powermatch(TrainerRoad)? Use power data based on power meter(stages) to drive the trainer ERG mode?
@@ramadhanratrifarhandy9860 Power data is "fixed" by using another power meter, yes. As for ERG control, no. That's likely due to it not implementing Bluetooth FTMS (similar to ANT+ FE-C standards). By all reports TrainerRoad have added support in future builds.
@@gplama thank you for your answer, so helpful
for calibration, if you're using something like the V3's for in-game power, but a trainer as a controllable trainer, do you have to calibrate it? Or is the calibration only if you're using the trainer for power, too? Thanks again!
Goodonyah Shane looking for a new trainer so cheers mate.
I have been using this trainer for around 6 months. And I also notice some wonky power number with my feeling. I have been doing erg mode at 200 watt for my workout and my heart rate was consistent at zone 3 (around 150-155 bpm) and that was around 1-2 months ago. However, these days when I am doing same erg mode at 200 watt (same power) my heart rate shoot up to zone 4 around 160+ bpm and it feels much harder to pedal. The effort of trying to tighten everything, calibration and, firmware update were done but nothing seems to fix this. Interestingly, my performance outdoor has been increased or at least not going down during this period. Hopefully, fixing firmware is coming soon as I don't want to spend any more money to by a new trainer. 😑
1160 USD!!! The thing retails for less than 500 USD in China lmao
Yes I can confirm if your paying over USD$600 for this you’re being taken for a ride...Boom Boom.
Tax, lots of tax and shipping... bet they will throw in the RMB and USD exchange as well.. Too much still.
@@fastestmilkman3840 tax? GST to Oz is 10% shipping $150
@@glennoc8585 the guy mentioned USD??
@@fastestmilkman3840 yes? Still $500 AUD more than Chinese prices after export costs.
Please review the t200 shane
Hey Shane love the videos as Im starting to get really into indoor training. Can you please review the Jetblack Volt? Would really appreciate if you do.
One arrived today.
Thanks, really appreciate the thoroughness for this review. You've given me some ideas for my V3's vs my saris cycleops H2.
Also, for calibration, if you're using something like the V3's for in-game power, but a trainer as a controllable trainer, do you have to calibrate it? Or is the calibration only if you're using the trainer for power, too? Thanks again!
It looks like they downloaded the engineer’s specifications from the leading trainers.
Very good video, bad Trainer. I wanna see the thinkrider x7!!!
Are you working for that company--thinkrider?
@@ysliu8052 no, but I see good comments on web.
@@jesuselreytapia Haha I thougt you work for that company. coz they always hire people attack Magene online lol
@@ysliu8052 your are crazy. I only comment the review of the video. If you check the video, the trainer is not very good. I only want to know which is better, t300 or x7.
@@jesuselreytapia I have a Thinkrider X7.
Excellent video as always! I'm looking for advice as a beginner cyclist in Australia that wants to improve using power to train but I really don't want to spend a lot of cash.
I have a wheel-on "dumb" fluid trainer right now (JetBlack Z1 Pro) and I have speed and cadence sensors on the way. I know I can use my dumb trainer+sensors on Zwift to get zPower but for more accuracy should I get a power meter and continue training on my dumb fluid trainer or get a smart trainer? For power meters, I'm leaning towards the Assioma Duo or Garmin Vector 3 so I can easily transfer them to a different bike (they still cost a lot of money for me as a beginner). For smart trainers, I have no idea which one is the most bang for the buck.
So basically, should i spend my budget on a power meter and continue to train on my dumb trainer OR get a smart trainer?
That's a good one for a coach who can review your training plans, goals, and response to training loads.
Funny part is the moment of inertia is actually more meaningful than flywheel "weight"
Yep, but until we know how to measure it, how to compare it, and what it means....it's just a number.
Be nice if the industry could adopt Moment of Inertia instead of weight for flywheels so we could compare
@@galenkehler Elite gives Moment of Inertia data for their Suito trainer
@@gplama The inertia of a cylindrical shape is I=0.5*r^2*m. To compare the inertia to other smart trainers you only need the radius of the flywheel
@@73052509 , it's not a given that the flywheel is just a solid cylinder with constant thickness or that it's not a more complex shape.
New firmware finally came out a couple of weeks ago. Was hoping it would solve some of the power accuracy issues. Fail. Same same. I got a set of Assioma Duos about the same time as the firmware appeared and have been dual recording and comparing. I'm getting consistently 8-10% less power over the course of a ride from the Magene, mostly from massive drop-offs to almost zero whenever I reduce power slightly. It's like the thing panics when the power starts going down and thinks it has to go to zero before coming back up again. Fortunately it's still a reliable dynamic resistance unit for me.
Interesting. Thanks for the update.
The same happen to me, I've a Sigeyi axo powermeter with offset of 3% and usually the difference between the Magene T300 and the Sigeyi is around 9-10%, specially using erg mode.
I would like to use this as a power meter, just to see my workouts smother.
I'm thinking to build a tool to increase or reduce power data on fly just for fun.
any update regarding the issue?
Great review! Do you know if it is feasible to connect this trainer to Garmin Edge devices for workouts? Thanks!
That should work if this trainer supports ANT+ FE-C
Shane, could you do a video about Zwift membership pause v cancel. Do you loose your progress if you cancel? Thanks.
Pause auto starts your sub after a short period of time. Cancel doesn’t. Both save progress for when/if you return. Account deletion is another process that means progress won’t be there if you return.
@@gplama Thanks Shane.
Hi Shane, watched this video and would like to ask whether there have been any updates to the Magene T300 in regards to the issues you had brought up? Currently, it is retailing in my country for S$780/USD$585 and would like to know whether you would recommend it at this price point. Or should I go for trainers such as the Tacx Flux 2 Smart Trainer is retailing for S$1270 = USD$954, the original Tacx Flux for S$990/USD$745 or the Wahoo Kickr Core for S$1288/USD$980.
Also, I have a favero assioma duo which I assume could be used as the power meter instead of the Magene T300, which would fix the power inaccuracy stated in the video? Would the Magene T300 be a viable option then?
Cheers!
No updates I’m aware of. An external power meter will be a workaround for the inaccuracies I’ve noted. As for which trainer to buy, that’s entirely up to you.
Please review magene t200
What's your opinion if you use the trainer just as a "controllable"; I mean, the power source being always the power meter?
If used this way you’re paying too much for features you won’t use.
If i already have Assioma, which budget trainer that cost below this can match the performance?
Could I ask please, what is the flooring you use in you pain cave. I’m currently in the process of converting my garage and would like to know what flooring you used please....
Your help would be appreciated....👍🏻
It’s gym floor matting direct on the concrete slab. Was here when we moved in, which was a bonus!
20:40 okay, do you say it is possible to use its full functionality (incl. ERG mode) using my Garmin Vector 3 connected (for workouts in Strava/Trainerroad?
Yea
Shane I live in Thailand and own one of these units as it was what I could afford. I wish I had seen your review before I bought it. I have been having a lot of trouble with it when I try to do any of the set trainings on Zwift. I am interested to know if Magene has any plans to fix these problems with the power?
You'll need to contact Zwift or Magene on this one.
My Magene T300 is record 8% more peak power than my spider power meter.
NP and AP is within +-1%.
any update regarding the issue?
the Tacx neo 2t remains the king in that category of trainers (of price)!
You mentioned there are alternatives at the same price points. What would they be? Looking at this model and keen to compare with similar price
Kickr Core. This depends what market though. Magene trainers are cheap in China/Asia, expensive elsewhere.
I'm planning to get a hold of this trainer seems decent for it's price, but are there better options preferably under $800?
It depends where you are in the world, I guess. This unit can't be trusted for power accuracy given the thermal drift.
I got mine from taobao shipped to malaysia for about 600USD. Might want to shop around a bit.
this trainer will required you to have a power meter in your crank? what if you dont have power meter, what will happen on the Zwift and on your setup?
No. This trainer reports power.
Looks very similar in to another brand. I would think onboard power generation would be offered up at this price point. Thru axle should be standard as well as Boost.
Any plan to review Thinkrider products - X8 pro or X5 neo? It would be a good comparison between Aliexpress smart trainers.
If I can get a hold of them. I’ll be straight up honest and say I’m not expecting any cheap trainer to be any good. Even the established trainer companies have issues with some of their trainers. Anyhow…. Let’s see.
So what Magene did well with the Gravat 2, despite it being a ripoff, is they made it both quieter and more stable (side to side) than the old Kickr.
I guess it would be wishful thinking, to think they would continue that innovation and improve that model. Instead, they copied the latest Kickr, gave it a handle, and made it less stable.
I have a question,would it work with the elite rizer?
One question, may be a stupid one. The power reported by this trainer is not good, and there are some other brands/product which are not so reliable/usable, too. For example the jet black(by the way, is it fixed by firmware update already or still a piece of crap?). My question is: If we use a separate power meter for example garmin vector 3 to act as power source in ziwft, will the trainer work correctly? I know it is a combination of measuring accuracy and algorithm problem. By the way, I am currently using bkool smart go, the power seems to be quite different when I change body position say from leaning on the handle bar to sitting up right. For my current situation, I guess it would be smarter for me to get a power meter instead of getting another smart trainer, so I can use the power meter for outdoor rides, too.
As mentioned in this video, it'll work 'properly' with another power meter. This is what I did for the Tour de Zwift Stage 3 test. RE: JetBlack... you'll need to specify which model not just the brand name.
@@gplama ua-cam.com/video/9ucVFY4BmUQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=ShaneMiller-GPLama Oh my bad, I didn't know they have other models. They only sell the Jet Black Whisper in Hong Kong as far as I know for HKD$6700~AUD$1134. By the way, I missed your video that they solved the problem with a new firmware. I myself is currently using bkool smart go(wasn't able to find a good deal for better as good ones are all out of stock), the power measured varies as my shift my body weight, I wonder if using power meter could solve the problem.
Can’t see any reason to buy it ? Elite direto seems better value
If I use pedals as power source and t300 as a trainer with Zwift, is this inaccuracy really important? If I am not mistaking Zwift increase resistance by certainly amount on t300 and then compair it with power data from pedals. Later Zwift adjust the resistance again. Meaning it t300 accuracy doesn't really matter. Am I right?
Correct. You can use an alternate power source. It's still an important area they need to address as you're paying for it.... and other people might be relying on it as their only source of power.
@@gplama thank you. Since I am in China now and unable to repair my elite direto I think t300 which costs 570 USD is the best option for me so far since well-known like wahoo are around 1390 USD.
So this mode are possible? When the gradient goes up, do the trainer will still get heavier?
So long and short the trainer isn't there yet. What could they do to address the thermal drift?
They'd first need to find the root cause of the issue and go from there.
so which other indoor trainer in same price you suggest.
I have the cheaper model T100, do you think you can do a review on that? as i never ridden any other trainer beside that
Already covered here on the channel.
can I use this with garmin sensors?
Does anyone what the ac adapter spec for this smart trainer, i need to get a replacement for my lost power cord.
Excellent and thorough review---thank you! Even if the trainer was accurate, I wouldn't buy this simply because it looks really ugly.
The handle is really neat... and I think the enclosed flywheel makes it neater.... but... there's issues with putting pants and a jacket on something that gets really hot.
Hi Shane,
Thanks for the brilliant review.
So, I already have an Favero Assioma and am looking at a smart trainer at around 740 USD.
What would any of you recommend? 😁
I’ve covered most other trainers. It depends what is available at this point.
Can you use it with giant tcr 2021 frame?
How do you track cadence with this setup?
Mageme t300 or thinkrider x5 ?
Any plans to review the Elite Suito / Suito-T?
The Suito T is on the way here.
👍
Are there updates on the issues 2 years ago? I hope it got better :)
I haven’t retested.
@@gplamai would love to watch a retest!
@@kennywilliam5319 Stay tuned on this one.... :)
What about the JetBlack Volt Trainer? Any thoughts on this?
In the Lama Lab now. See my Strava for the initial Lama Lab Test.
@@gplama I look forward seeing the results. The trainer is really promising. And by the way one of the only ones that are still available in europe (probably caused by their unfamiliarity).