Open Bar #63 - Ahsoka Ratings Flop, James Gunn In Hot Water, Captain Marvel 3 In Doubt

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  • @Amoschp524
    @Amoschp524 Рік тому +145

    Thrawn in the EU novels was first introduced on a Star Destroyer that had a novice crew suddenly facing a large force of X-wings and assault frigates, everyone is panicking and the few experienced officers acknowledge the enemy force is strong enough to destroy the Chimera in its current state; but Thrawn is utterly calm and is looking at art. With a few commands he has tested the enemy's leadership and proceeds to utterly destroy the opposing force. Perfect introduction to a villain for a book.

    • @2nd_Directorate
      @2nd_Directorate Рік тому +34

      Yep, the Zahn trilogy was something else....shame Filoni turned that into garbage too....

  • @nansi113
    @nansi113 Рік тому +562

    If Vader killed Ashoka right after moment she broke his mask and we got a glimpse of Anakin, it would have cemented Anakin’s turn to the dark side and illustrate how cruel and lost he’d become. It also would have given Ashoka a memorable and devastating ending. Plus, it also would fixed a lot of the cannon issues. Now, we get to watch them destroy the newer characters. 😢

    • @TurKlack
      @TurKlack Рік тому +90

      Oh absolutely yes. I hate Rebels, but that part. That cemented Failonis unwillingness to let Characters die. Especially Jedis. Now we have an untold billion Jedis just waiting to appear out of nowhere.
      Luke who? The last Jedi what? Why even bother with that guy or his Sister Leia, when Yoda and Kenobi still had an Army of Jedi running around the galaxy.

    • @brianeells5663
      @brianeells5663 Рік тому +51

      I couldn’t agree more with both of these comments. The “world between worlds” plot device wasn’t needed

    • @slchance8839
      @slchance8839 Рік тому +7

      what a great idea! I touch base occasionally with the cartoon and I did see that episode. If, like you said, you see Vader KILL her...i would have tuned in religiously thereafter.

    • @superbrainz2357
      @superbrainz2357 Рік тому +33

      Its utterly baffiling how they flushed away such a perfect moment and resolution by having Ahsoka die to Vader after realizing he's Anakin and refusing to leave him again.
      A scenario like that practially writes itself and they still found a way to ruin it.

    • @aa-ron6718
      @aa-ron6718 Рік тому +7

      Grew up watching clone wars and the dynamic of both of them was great and the ending of it was great the og ending. And them having that fight in rebels where they finally meet again 👌 if it happened the way you said it would be amazing.

  • @Spiderwolfer
    @Spiderwolfer Рік тому +101

    Reaper is hilarious. This might be my favourite group of people on open bar so far. Kinda laid back. I like it.

    • @SolarDragon007
      @SolarDragon007 Рік тому +11

      Yeah he's awesome. Been watching his videos for a minute and I'm glad to see him on Drinker's channel.

    • @Ravenscroft82
      @Ravenscroft82 Рік тому +13

      I agree this panel just hit it right for me; need to hear more from Reaper and History Bro though

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому +6

      Best grumpy Scouse.

    • @sibourne82
      @sibourne82 Рік тому +5

      Absolutely. There's zero fart huffing or circle jerking (*cough* FNT)

    • @TheWolfXCIX
      @TheWolfXCIX Рік тому +9

      Reaper is great, History Bro feels very out of place though don't hate him but I don't think he compliments the panel

  • @hughwilson4938
    @hughwilson4938 Рік тому +101

    the show: she is a rebel and shes a maveric and shes a bad ass
    drinker: what a stoic
    reality: hair dye is not a personality

  • @FeatherRanching
    @FeatherRanching Рік тому +116

    We need to make "space balls 2: the search for more money" and it should be an ongoing web series, relentlessly mocking all recent SW. Literal plot-armor, chases that keep extending because of convenient edits, characters inexplicably returning from fatal wounds, etc...

    • @ThunderThumz
      @ThunderThumz Рік тому +3

      This is an epic idea! Amazing movie hahaaaa

    • @RicStorm616
      @RicStorm616 Рік тому +14

      Feckleen Femedy:
      'The Schwartz is Female...'
      Segway to to 2 apes on horseback
      1. "Oh shit, there goes the planet"
      2. "Again!"

    • @Сайтамен
      @Сайтамен Рік тому +8

      Spaceballs predicted parking violation from TLJ and combined the desert from the Book of Boba Fett.

    • @FeatherRanching
      @FeatherRanching Рік тому

      @@RicStorm616"The Schwartz is female" is a magnificently layered dick joke! I'm mad that it didn't occur to me!

    • @steveouk90126
      @steveouk90126 Рік тому +3

      Only if it includes _Jews... In... Spaaaaaace!_

  • @johnnysailtimbers7334
    @johnnysailtimbers7334 Рік тому +21

    Thrawn is a pale shadow here of what he was in the EU. He had ideals, he was noble, he was a strategic genius in practice - we were not told we were shown how outstandingly brilliant he was, even his death was very well done and had a lot of meaning behind it, a commentary on why the ends don't justify the means. Rebels turned him into a two-bit, snarling villain and now this has further robbed us of thecharacter that we hoped we will see.

  • @strambino1
    @strambino1 Рік тому +35

    Heir to the Empire was the book that got George Lucas interested in filming the prequel trilogy. The Thrawn trilogy made him feel like there was still a big enough fan base to make another Star Wars trilogy. It is a good series of books that actually did some justice to the main characters of Star Wars rather than deconstructing them.

    • @jekw23
      @jekw23 Рік тому +5

      Read them about 30 years ago and I remember nothing except that I thoroughly enjoyed them. Read a load of others and I remember nothing except they weren’t as good.
      Oh and Thrawn was blue……that’s it.

    • @nmr7203
      @nmr7203 Рік тому

      @jekw23 That's not a good sign if you can't remember anything about it

    • @lightingthief4482
      @lightingthief4482 Рік тому

      ​@@nmr720330 years ago is a lot of years

  • @kazuma_koon
    @kazuma_koon Рік тому +161

    When Vader was first introduced on screen: "Holy f*%$ing sheet this guy is the devil incarnate, an unstoppable force!"
    When Luke was first introduced on screen: "Man this KID is the protagonist, well he shows promise and Obi-wan is teaching him, lets see where this goes."
    When Yoda was first introduced on screen: "This little green thing seems aloof and mysterious...but is supposed to know where Yoda is?"
    When the Emperor was first introduced on screen: "He is making Vader kneel and is really, really, REALLY creepy....who the F*@# is he?"
    When a Disney character is first introduced on screen: "Do I know them?"

    • @piercedbylight
      @piercedbylight Рік тому +16

      This is why Andor (and the first season of Mando) worked for me: few "'memberberries" and it's own contained story in a familiar universe

    • @kazuma_koon
      @kazuma_koon Рік тому +6

      @@piercedbylight Well when mando came out and there was Grogu I dropped it season 1.... I knew it was a cash grab from the get go(Grogu merch), would be shitty writing(All the cheesy ol' western lines) there would be a girl boss(lack of a MC lines) with McGuffins/fetch quests and wouldn't amount to anything...Eyyyup.

    • @piercedbylight
      @piercedbylight Рік тому +3

      @@kazuma_koon merch has been integral to the success of Lucasfilm and Disney, so I'll give them that, but I agree with you on the flimsy writing.

    • @harbl99
      @harbl99 Рік тому +5

      @@kazuma_koon You know that Disney/Lucas were wrongfooted by the popularity of Grogu, right? The company that basically created modern movie merchandizing tie-ins had no merch ready to go and had to scramble to get anything ready for that Christmas.

    • @SumDumGy
      @SumDumGy Рік тому

      Why did you think Luke was the protagonist when he first appeared on screen? Your example that expresses interest in his character doesn’t come until much later in the film.

  • @heraldofwar
    @heraldofwar Рік тому +24

    Appreciate you having a good mix of youtubers each week Drinker, keep it up!
    Feel free to have Reaper on again also.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому

      Reaper is great, blunt and to the point.

  • @BlindIdiotGaming
    @BlindIdiotGaming Рік тому +17

    2:27:50 If you look at Sam, at the end of all three movies, he is the most standout character. End of Fellowship? "I know you're going alone, and I'm coming with you!..." End of Towers? "It's like in the great stories, Mr. Frodo. The ones that really mattered. Full of darkness and danger they were. And sometimes you didn't want to know the end… because how could the end be happy? How could the world go back to the way it was when so much bad had happened? But in the end, it’s only a passing thing… this shadow. Even darkness must pass.” RotK? Shad already said it. When I was a teenager, I didn't respect Sam half as much as I do as an adult. Sam stands against all odds for the sake of his best friend.

    • @michaelplowman8674
      @michaelplowman8674 Рік тому +7

      "I can't carry it for you, Mr. Frodo, but I can carry you!" Most bro line ever.

  • @markukeley2924
    @markukeley2924 Рік тому +127

    The roles are reversed: the bad guys are now the rebels. Ahsoka and crew represent a sort of incompetent Weimar Republic.

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому

      The new republic is so damn inefficient.

    • @manoz6194
      @manoz6194 Рік тому

      Well, the same people behind the Wiemar Republic are behind Ahsoka show. Shame we don't have a Hitler

    • @TheMinskyTerrorist
      @TheMinskyTerrorist Рік тому +18

      They're trying to do that on purpose to set up the sequels, which sucks

    • @fuckwitmcdipshit2963
      @fuckwitmcdipshit2963 Рік тому

      @@TheMinskyTerrorist You are giving them too much credit.

    • @bengale9977
      @bengale9977 Рік тому

      Yeah I'll never get why they made the new republic some incompetent corrupt failed state. Are we supposed to feel bad for their destruction or not?

  • @kurtiswacko
    @kurtiswacko Рік тому +14

    I absolutely love hearing all of you in a group describing in depth the horrors that disney is trying to pass off as storytelling

  • @kharnthebloody583
    @kharnthebloody583 Рік тому +29

    I’ve taken to calling Dave Filoni ‘Dave Felony’ as it’s an absolute crime what he’s done to Star Wars.

    • @aurorauplinks
      @aurorauplinks Рік тому

      Honestly it's like people become incarnations of their namesake sometimes. It's really weird how names influence us so heavily

  • @adamjames8854
    @adamjames8854 Рік тому +29

    I think what history bro is talking about as far as the universe not feeling cool, like, with the og films especially, like, a shit ton was left to your imagination. Now there's a thousand TV shows that literally elaborate on everything, and the shit Disney is adding actually detracts from the original universe they set up lmao. Like them trying to add more depth to the universe is hurting what they actually had lmao. Like one thing people keep pointing out is in the og films it felt pretty clear that Luke yoda and ben were literally the last Jedi, the last of a dying breed. Now with every new game show or movie they release we find out there were ten more Jedi that miraculously survived order 66 and the whole empire seems so much less daunting and competent because of it. In the og films it felt like you were watching a desperate last stand for freedom and hope in the universe. Now with shit like mando and the ahsoka show, it literally just feels like a visual theme park is what theyre aiming for. There's never any real danger or any real tension.

  • @theresegretencord2470
    @theresegretencord2470 Рік тому +21

    I've read the Thrawn books and seen Rebels (Rebels doesn't really do him justice). What Vader is in raw power, Thrawn is in intelligence and tactical skills. He is one of (if not the best) tactician in the galaxy and he is a very nuanced and deliberate character. Hera and Sabine are very good characters in their own show as well. Disney is doing all of the characters dirty.

    • @IRMentat
      @IRMentat Рік тому +3

      Thrawn was so excessively competent that the main point of discontent about the books is not that he planned poorly but that he dies in an utterly unsatisfying way via deus ex bloodline.
      If anything he should have gone out in a blaze of glory through simply being outnumbered outgunned and pressured by a now far more organised and supported new republic peace keeping force.

    • @theresegretencord2470
      @theresegretencord2470 Рік тому +1

      @@IRMentat I've read the newer thrawn books, but haven't gotten to the original (would've possibly been sequel) trilogy yet.

    • @janicken2086
      @janicken2086 Рік тому

      This is an underrated comment. 100% agree.

  • @ClipOnMullet
    @ClipOnMullet Рік тому +37

    I checked out when Asohka jumped off the ship in zero gravity space and then landed back on the ship 🤦🏻‍♂️

    • @rottenhead8385
      @rottenhead8385 Рік тому +5

      Yes! Magnetic boots are one thing in a sci fi universe but, if that IS how she is walking on the ship she doesn't seem to have to activate them or deactivate them for that move...bullshit!

    • @Zathren
      @Zathren Рік тому +6

      Surprised you even have Disney+

    • @ClipOnMullet
      @ClipOnMullet Рік тому +2

      @@Zathren I held out for this show. I liked clone wars and rebels enough to give Filoni a shot. Needless to say I’m about to save some money next month.

    • @Jamesmatise
      @Jamesmatise Рік тому +4

      I thought TLJ established it in the canon that people untrained in the ways of the Force can just fly through space back to their ships 😂

    • @SumDumGy
      @SumDumGy Рік тому +3

      @@Jamesmatise*presumably untrained

  • @timbob6524
    @timbob6524 Рік тому +58

    Almost nothing makes me happier on Open Bar than when MauLer simply interjects with "YEAAHH!" 😁 His timing and intonation are the best.

    • @MegaSpideyman
      @MegaSpideyman Рік тому

      What do you like about that?

    • @EddyA1337
      @EddyA1337 Рік тому +8

      ​@@MegaSpideymanidk, but I ALSO like it

    • @timbob6524
      @timbob6524 Рік тому +10

      I don't know if I can explain it. Sometimes it sounds sarcastic, sometimes weary, sometimes happy, sometimes annoyed. But for whatever reason it invariably makes me smile or laugh.

  • @toybugcarl
    @toybugcarl Рік тому +6

    The world building in the very first Star Wars movie is absolutely incredible. It’s not spoon fed. It’s not a tease. Characters speak about some place or experience or other characters that exist out there and it feels natural. You feel their concern. You’re watching this story from intro to ending and not only are you satisfied with that story but you’re also left with bits to think about later and want to know more but not because you weren’t satisfied from the beginning. It’s like subtle previews of your next restaurant experience and even though you may be full now, you’re exhilarated for the next meal.
    I miss that Star Wars.

  • @thechuckwagon6951
    @thechuckwagon6951 Рік тому +24

    Ahsoka's story writing operates on the labor theory of force aptitude.
    "Work harder, not smarter"

  • @steveouk90126
    @steveouk90126 Рік тому +13

    "I'm a general!"
    What are you? Twelve years old? You're not real clear how military ranks work. Reminds me of JJ Abrams Star Trek abortion, in which Kirk jumps from cadet to Captain in one mission.

  • @Wantabe2188
    @Wantabe2188 Рік тому +35

    Reaper is an absolute legend

    • @omarcassim9061
      @omarcassim9061 Рік тому +5

      We need him as regular

    • @hyper2high
      @hyper2high Рік тому +7

      He holds nothing back and i pretty much agree with everything he says

    • @dickiemcgeezacks9458
      @dickiemcgeezacks9458 Рік тому

      It's a shame the algorithm isn't going to let him get much above 100k tops. Too foul mouth.

    • @TheKpa11
      @TheKpa11 Рік тому +2

      I thought you were referring to Overwatch

    • @edistoorbust
      @edistoorbust Рік тому

      Is History Bro from Lotus Eaters?

  • @Mister-Six
    @Mister-Six Рік тому +16

    Tartakovsky's Clone Wars > Feloni's Clone Wars

    • @streetsbehind247
      @streetsbehind247 Рік тому +4

      It really is.

    • @AydenMartinez-iv3jt
      @AydenMartinez-iv3jt Рік тому +2

      While there are parts of Filoni’s TCW that I really like, there’s too much filler and unnecessary plot points for me to bother rewatching it.
      Also, 2003 Grievous and Mace Windu were top tier badasses.

    • @Zac_Frost
      @Zac_Frost Рік тому +1

      Agreed. Tartakovsky's pulled zero punches and was always fun. Even some of the episodes that weren't really super interesting were at least entertaining.

  • @mikeymy3042
    @mikeymy3042 Рік тому +12

    I gave Rey Wars a chance and was done with it at the Leia Mary Poppin's it back on the ship scene. I gave Mando a chance up until they pulled that CW network trick of having to watch some other Star Wars show to find out how Grogu winds up back with Mando, now the only Star Wars content I watch is people like you guys pointing out how bad it's become and it's sad that this is now more entertaining and intelligent than anything Disney will put out.

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 Рік тому

      I haven't given anything a chance ever since the original 2003 Clone Wars. Oh, I hate watched TFA and TLJ without paying for it, but the aesthetic of the CGIed shows never appealed to me...

  • @ajaydahl
    @ajaydahl Рік тому +37

    We get HUGE spiders in the UK sometimes, when I was a kid I used to live next to an Indonesian store and somehow a Spider the size of a dinner plate ended up in my bedroom, my mum obviously thought I was full of it till she saw the thing... the worst part is I never caught it!! I just slept in my living room for 2 weeks... where did it go 😅

    • @k45207
      @k45207 Рік тому +18

      That sounds absolutely horrifying

    • @CCMqueretaro
      @CCMqueretaro Рік тому +14

      Second that. Came face to face with one in the bog the other day at eye level. Was proper camouflaged and just got bigger as I noticed it better. Quietly closed the door, told the mrs the mother of all spiders was in the shitter so probs out of bounds for a day or two and suddenly didnt need the toilet anymore.

    • @HERITAGE12
      @HERITAGE12 Рік тому +4

      IT'S STILL THERE!😂😂😂

    • @donkeysaurusrex7881
      @donkeysaurusrex7881 Рік тому +5

      It is in a cave slowly building up its numbers before emergin to conquer the surface world.

    • @mikelimakilokiloromeo
      @mikelimakilokiloromeo Рік тому +1

      It went inside yo mouth

  • @abletothink
    @abletothink Рік тому +42

    Shad needs to come to America and visit some of our state and national parks. I scattered my mom's ashes in one and it was basically an enchanted forest. One of the most beautiful places I've ever seen and it was some random state park in rural Ohio.

    • @balkanboi06
      @balkanboi06 Рік тому +6

      Can confirm, visited some state Parks down in rural New York by Buffalo/Seneca and it’s beautiful. Also sorry to hear that about your mom hopefully she found peace now. 🙏🏼

    • @JPelus
      @JPelus Рік тому +18

      So many Americans need to see their own beautiful country it's insane

    • @Jamesmatise
      @Jamesmatise Рік тому +9

      ​@@JPelusTo be fair, it's more like having 50 countries, many of them the size of a large European country. I'm less than an hour a way from a national monument, several state parks, a reservation and a national forest, and that's just one small part of one state 😊

    • @tylerghersinich576
      @tylerghersinich576 Рік тому +3

      @@Jamesmatiseplus you got one state in the middle of pacific sea

    • @Jamesmatise
      @Jamesmatise Рік тому +1

      @awhellnah__ it's got plenty of history, just not western history.

  • @liamphibia
    @liamphibia Рік тому +17

    Am I the only one who believes Ahsoka Tano should have died at the end of Rebels S2? Because after studying her entire story and journey, something about that just feels very poetic that it rhymes.

    • @paladinshark2448
      @paladinshark2448 Рік тому +12

      This is almost universally the most common take in the fanbase. You are far from alone.
      Everyone thought she WAS dead.
      Clone wars was amazing and Ashoka really was awesome, but she and Filoni both outstayed their welcome

    • @slaapliedje
      @slaapliedje Рік тому +10

      I can agree with that, Anakin / Vader should have killed her off then, would have made it a really heartbreaking end to a beloved character... and would have explained why she didn't show up afterward...

    • @nansi113
      @nansi113 Рік тому +4

      I love Ashoka’s character and I 100% agree with you. It would have fixed so many issues and it would have been a fitting end to a beloved character

    • @pedrokantor3997
      @pedrokantor3997 Рік тому +3

      No, the people who think her story should continue are the minority.

    • @liamphibia
      @liamphibia Рік тому +7

      @@slaapliedje
      Yup. Sure it'd be really sad to see her gone, but the more you think about her death the more you realize how far she's come as a character. And at the end of the day, you would have raised a glass to her sacrifice in respect.🍷

  • @TrueRetroflection
    @TrueRetroflection Рік тому +5

    The film countdown at the start always has me expecting "Let Me Oh" to play afterwards

  • @simonkeys17
    @simonkeys17 Рік тому +6

    A great series for the underdog with limited power is the spellslinger book series. The main magician can pretty much only perform a couple of spells and uses their brains, friends and the environment to take down much more powerful wizards. Highly recommended. They will never do that to Sabine in Ashoka. She'll have to suddenly realise how awesome she is and will become all powerful, just as they need her to, with no real work.

  • @kingdomrains
    @kingdomrains Рік тому +5

    2:48:30 One of my favourite underdog stories comes from the Terry Pratchett novel Sourcery. The incompetent wizard Rincewind, who has been running from every danger that has been thrown at him, realizes that the situation is so bad there is no safe place left to run to. He goes to face the sourcerer, an all powerful being capable of bending reality to his will, armed with nothing but a half brick in a sock.

    • @Jdl343
      @Jdl343 Рік тому

      I enjoyed that story as well. In fact the Discworld series is one of my favourites

  • @Geminias
    @Geminias Рік тому +14

    If you want to capture Sabine's character essence you basically need to make her a more punk rock version of Yelena Belova from Marvel. They have the same vibe but Sabine is more into guns, explosives, and spray paint.

    • @scribbles1424
      @scribbles1424 Рік тому +3

      Do people really want to see a 30 year old woman acting like a teenager and getting into drama just because?

    • @gonderAmh
      @gonderAmh Рік тому

      Sabine in rebels isnt that bad, but only because its a cartoon.

    • @Geminias
      @Geminias Рік тому

      @@scribbles1424 Adult characters need to be written as an extension of who they were when they were first introduced. You can certainly change characters but you need to know who they were to get where they're going. Sabine was never stoic.

  • @montgomerygames
    @montgomerygames Рік тому +6

    Glad to see history bro on the show!

  • @fullmetalarchitect
    @fullmetalarchitect Рік тому +2

    Watching the vods of this on Sundays has become my new ritual. Cheers!

  • @LN997-i8x
    @LN997-i8x Рік тому +16

    Ahsoka suffers from the same issues as The Mandalorian, Obi Wan, and The Book of Boba Fett; there's just never much actually going on. Which can be palatable if you have engaging characters....which none of them do.
    It's incredibly jarring to go from modern Star Wars to, say, something like the early seasons of The Expanse in terms of how efficiently screentime is used. I'm all for a slower paced narrative, but there's just _nothing_ happening in these shows.

    • @chasehedges6775
      @chasehedges6775 Рік тому +1

      Mandalorian S1 and S2 were pretty good/decent but, honestly yeah, definitely agree with everything else

    • @chasehedges6775
      @chasehedges6775 Рік тому +1

      Double Toasted said it best on an episode of Book Of Boba Fett: “Im just waiting for something to happen

    • @liamphibia
      @liamphibia Рік тому +4

      Apart from Andor, Tales of the Jedi and maybe the Bad Batch, any attempt Lucasfilm's tries to destroy with the Star Wars brand continues to crumble time after time.

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 Рік тому

      David V Stewart? is that you?

  • @nathanthiessen3557
    @nathanthiessen3557 Рік тому +4

    What I don't get is that Sabine is a Mandalorian. In Rebels, she's and ace pilot, equipped with beskar armor, jet pack, blasters and all weapons the and training needed to fight Jedi that way. Why do they need to explore her using the force and acting like a Jedi to be an effective character now.

  • @davisigurvinsson1030
    @davisigurvinsson1030 Рік тому +9

    0:48 as a “Dave” I’m used to this but it’s so confusing. Why? What have I done to you?

  • @SoujiMonaru
    @SoujiMonaru Рік тому +12

    I grew up loving the Belgariad series of fantasy novels by David Eddings, and had always wondered what it would be like to have them adapted for the screen. Now I hope they never get taken up by the woke agenda. Shame really, as they are really wonderful.

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 Рік тому +1

      Used to feel the same about Foundation. Well, hope you never have to experience something like that with your books...

  • @theprogressivecynic2407
    @theprogressivecynic2407 Рік тому +3

    One of the best and most memorable character introductions was in John Wick. His wife dies and he's just obviously depressed, and then some idiotic thugs break into his house and ambush him. Then, his legend is built up by the reactions others have to the news of this happening to the point that you know that he's an insane badass before he even picks up a gun. It's very well-done and a great example of showing, rather than ham-handedly telling the audience everything.

    • @mattwuxx3888
      @mattwuxx3888 Рік тому +1

      Newly minted female Sci-fi "fans" prefer obvious narration, even if it ruins the production value of the film. It's ever-present in romcoms and various chick-flicks. It helps them to fill in the gaps for lack of character development, keeps them in the excited moment and makes up the fact that 90% of them have no knowledge of the aggregated SW canon nor do they care to. After all, they're only even watching the damn thing because they've been "instructed" to do so by the feminist media consumption industrial complex. Quality filmmaking for the masses in the pandering wokeist age, is ostensibly over.

    • @theprogressivecynic2407
      @theprogressivecynic2407 Рік тому +1

      @@mattwuxx3888Yeah, and it really irritates me because they had so many directions to go. I actually would have liked them to produce a couple movies that aged with the audience, covering the Abeloth material in a sort of cosmic horror direction. It would have been one way to continue Luke's story in a way that lets him have a "big bad" even worse than the Emperor. The timing would almost exactly have lined up in terms of character ages, with an older Luke and his son with Mara Jade being the main characters. Also, this would have enabled an absolutely insane fight at the end, with the collected power of the Jedi and Sith masters facing off against her

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 Рік тому +12

    James Gunn's Old Tweets: *resurface*
    James Gunn: "I'm in danger."

    • @liamphibia
      @liamphibia Рік тому +2

      Probably should have kept your opinions to yourself.

    • @TheKpa11
      @TheKpa11 Рік тому

      Assuming this is actually James Gunn and not someone commenting under his name

    • @MegaSpideyman
      @MegaSpideyman Рік тому +2

      ​@@liamphibiaWho are you referring to?

  • @matthewnewman3724
    @matthewnewman3724 Рік тому +1

    Great to see history bro and shad. would be interesting for them to talk midlevel history!

  • @hydriumstudio
    @hydriumstudio Рік тому +1

    3:56 same kind of road patchwork halfassery we have in michigan

  • @SumDumGy
    @SumDumGy Рік тому +8

    I keep checking my local theater’s seatings for certain movies and Blue Beetle has been getting pretty solid crowds there, regardless of what it’s box office looks like.

  • @LordBaktor
    @LordBaktor Рік тому +12

    The best thing about the magic space whales is that Futurama did it first and better two decades ago.

    • @npbarnhill
      @npbarnhill Рік тому

      Oh my God is that show really that old?

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 Рік тому

      Feloni certainly snatched it from there...

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 Рік тому

      ​@@npbarnhillbruh, the Simpsons are 34...

    • @LordBaktor
      @LordBaktor Рік тому

      @@marbellaotaiza801 The Simpsons started 1989. Might wanna check your math.

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 Рік тому +1

      @@LordBaktor my bad oh Lord, I misfingered.

  • @Ravenscroft82
    @Ravenscroft82 Рік тому +21

    Would have liked to hear more from History Bro and Reaper; Shad is fun but he takes up a lot of oxygen. :)

    • @jonbaxter2254
      @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому +2

      More of Reaper is always a good thing.

    • @Ravenscroft82
      @Ravenscroft82 Рік тому +3

      @burstyourbubble3500 completely disagree.

  • @davidgannon5388
    @davidgannon5388 Рік тому +4

    1:29:35 - Buffy was the girl boss in her show. But guess what? It was *her* show!

  • @iancanterbury2380
    @iancanterbury2380 Рік тому +7

    Drinkers little smirk when Shad used one of his lines

  • @chadreese9501
    @chadreese9501 Рік тому +24

    History Bro asking the real questions!

  • @stevepearce3254
    @stevepearce3254 Рік тому +4

    Listening to Reaper and History Bro makes me think of old school Guy Ritchie movies.

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 Рік тому +1

      "Fucking northern apes" 😂 actually, Reaper sounds like Ringo...

  • @JeremyThomas-xu6gc
    @JeremyThomas-xu6gc Рік тому +1

    I'd love to see a meme done with Sabine running from the cops at the intro but with the theme from smoky and the bandit playing in the background. Eastbound and down. Lol

  • @Monty2289
    @Monty2289 Рік тому +2

    The sad part about subverting expectations especially with cape movies is we sort of did it to ourselves. 89, The Shoemacher films, and the OG TV show all were goofy but no one can ever say those movies weren't made in earnest. Even the more serious films like the Nolan Trilogy had some insanely goofy things especially in DKR. And over the years we've all deconstructed and joked about it. Robot Chicken is just anthology of all of the goofy capeshit we've had over the years meme'd to death. And true enough we all enjoy cracking jokes at the expensive of film properties.
    The problem is now people like James Gunn now believe they should cut out the middle man and turn it into social commentary instead of making a series in character in world built story

  • @Armoless
    @Armoless Рік тому +3

    2:52:00 Wheel of time season 1 was so bad it made me read the books because I couldn't believe this is what everyone had been raving about for so long.

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 Рік тому

      Ha! Apple TV might be doing that for Foundation too...

  • @billjones5741
    @billjones5741 Рік тому +3

    REAPER is the man. “She’d probably kneel on his neck” had me 💀

    • @sheepnomore11
      @sheepnomore11 Рік тому

      Trying to find timestamp for a friend :)

  • @user-fm3xr9yz3i
    @user-fm3xr9yz3i Рік тому +4

    I will never pay a penny for a DC product with Gunns name attached

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 Рік тому +1

      Not just DC, you shouldn't give any money to people who hate you

  • @garicb9271
    @garicb9271 Рік тому +2

    Sadly you don't even need a sword to hijack a plane, all it takes are box cutters.

  • @theenchiladakid1866
    @theenchiladakid1866 Рік тому +3

    Go back and watch any episode of rebels and you can see that Ahsoka, Sabine and Hera all had personalitys

  • @ManjulaD
    @ManjulaD Рік тому +3

    Bring Reaper more often. dude is hillarious

  • @rottenhead8385
    @rottenhead8385 Рік тому +6

    They want her to come off as thoughtful but she has no thoughts...
    Great group.

  • @TheWarmachine375
    @TheWarmachine375 Рік тому +6

    The Marvels: *gonna flop anyway regardless*
    Everyone: "Oh no. Anyway."

  • @kevinjackman4026
    @kevinjackman4026 Рік тому +2

    I can see it now.
    Sabine will face off against Thrawn with 2 lightsabers and she'll say " I am all the whaman"!
    And then force lightning him into oblivion.
    Well, until the Filoni movie comes out and we'll get this line...
    "Somehow Thrawn returned".
    Also, F... TROS.

  • @infamousajm
    @infamousajm Рік тому +4

    Dave has always been reviled by fans. Clone Wars, Rebels, Mando... everything he does is taking better written stories and characters then ruining them for the sake of his characters.
    He was so bad with other people's characters that the woman who created much of the Mandalorian Lore throughout the 90s and 00s left the company because he was ruining them so much.

  • @Perktube1
    @Perktube1 Рік тому +3

    According to the thumbnail, this twilek works for Purina.😊

  • @davesilkstone6912
    @davesilkstone6912 Рік тому +1

    Someone asked for a book series better that TLOTR.
    Although I think that you can't beat TLOTR, among the book series that I re-read multiple times, including The Wheel of Time, is The Saga of the Exiles, here is a description;
    The Saga of Pliocene Exile (or the Saga of the Exiles) is a series of science / speculative fiction books by Julian May, first published in the early 1980s. It consists of four books: The Many-Colored Land, The Golden Torc, The Nonborn King and The Adversary.
    I would recommend it for fans of The Wheel of Time.

  • @LoneWolf-gz9mr
    @LoneWolf-gz9mr Рік тому +3

    Well the main problem, why they didn't use the expanded universe is/was.... Carrie Fisher is DEAD and Luke? FAR too old.. I dunno why they don't just get a look-a-like.. But they apparently won't. It's idiotic.

    • @TGuard00014
      @TGuard00014 Рік тому

      I hate recasting but Sebastian Stan could 100% play a 30s Luke.

  • @WillFredward7167
    @WillFredward7167 Рік тому +3

    From all I’ve seen on Shad’s channel, a sword would genuinely be terrifying in a hijacking scenario. Unless a marshal on the plane actually has a gun, it could menace everyone on the plane. Unless someone is willing to go first and get slaughtered, nobody is likely to get close

  • @25meip
    @25meip Рік тому +3

    Modern writers aren't interested in writing. They just want a job that doesn't involve work

  • @JSPena
    @JSPena Рік тому +3

    1:12:12 - 1:15:20 I don’t know why, but I’m glad he didn’t censor this 😂😂😂

  • @Ramsey276one
    @Ramsey276one Рік тому +2

    15:25
    the Old Days: All publicity is good publicity, keep kicking kittens!
    These Days: Engagement is good, Engagement is Love, Engagement is LIFE. ENGAGEMENT!!!!

  • @jonbaxter2254
    @jonbaxter2254 Рік тому +42

    Disney can make as many shitty Star Wars shows as they like, but please leave Andor alone.
    Let the writers there just do their thing.

    • @TheEldritchGod
      @TheEldritchGod Рік тому +10

      Soon...
      Andor: lower decks the cartoon.

    • @DawnMayCry
      @DawnMayCry Рік тому

      So true lol

    • @nahtesalinas1917
      @nahtesalinas1917 Рік тому +1

      True. Andor is a *GREAT* show that I've already finished yet plan on watching again. That's something I rarely do.

    • @Adir-Yosef
      @Adir-Yosef Рік тому

      corruption has no mercy
      it will just corrupt

    • @TNM001
      @TNM001 Рік тому

      nahh...Andor needs someone to kick their buts, too...the pacing is atrocious, and the whole rebellion seems utterly small and insignificant.
      i get there may be constrains on budget..but still. it makes the rebellion look like some backwater village quarrel.

  • @aurahoneydew9607
    @aurahoneydew9607 Рік тому +10

    Critical Drinker's had some impressive guest but having thee Lex Luthor on open bar 😏

  • @ryanwheeler1875
    @ryanwheeler1875 Рік тому +2

    Shad is making it harder for me to enjoy these....

    • @kungfuskull
      @kungfuskull 3 місяці тому

      Normally, i'd agree: but the perpetually confused skinhead was agonizing.

  • @kylestevens6544
    @kylestevens6544 Рік тому +1

    Shout out to Shad! Great to see you on here but disappointed you had nothing to add about how the ring of sion could of used machicolations😄😄😄

  • @davidgannon5388
    @davidgannon5388 Рік тому +1

    31:26 - you are crazy. ;) But in TESB, Vader says the Rebels were alerted because Admiral Ozzel came out of lightspeed too close to the system. So, presumably, there's some shockwave or something that alerts folks who are close to a ship emerging from lightspeed to it happening.

  • @alanp1341
    @alanp1341 Рік тому +14

    'Last Voyage of the Demeter' is very good. Such a shame it's not done so well. Deserves a wider audience.

    • @kaliefaul1905
      @kaliefaul1905 Рік тому +1

      This, and I'm not even into horror stories - let alone vampire stories!

    • @edistoorbust
      @edistoorbust Рік тому

      This was shite. Very disappointed.

    • @donkeysaurusrex7881
      @donkeysaurusrex7881 Рік тому

      I enjoyed it.

    • @samuel5591
      @samuel5591 Рік тому +1

      Voyage was crap. Utterly wasted use of Dracula portraying him (incorrectly) as nothing more than a beast, no scares, no real suspense past the first 40 mins and what a surprise, inserted a black character to win the day.

    • @LimblessAnt
      @LimblessAnt Рік тому

      I enjoyed it for the most part, but they established a main character who has to survive and do things which kinda fucked up the story and then gave him plot armor so I didn't really like the ending

  • @archabe
    @archabe Рік тому +1

    Worst thing to hear during a prostate exam is. We are out of lubricant or lets try both hands.

  • @gronkgrunk
    @gronkgrunk Рік тому +2

    Another good one, Drinker. Pleasantly surprised to hear Shad here!

  • @wezspencer7205
    @wezspencer7205 Рік тому +4

    Don't often communicate but lov the show watch ever one .. enjoyed new guy history bro .. didn't I would but yep great new member

  • @benjikoopa
    @benjikoopa Рік тому +2

    48:16 The space whales were also in Doctor who, season 5 *The new version*. They were called “Star whales” I guess but it was the same thing.

  • @DizzyScorpia
    @DizzyScorpia Рік тому +2

    With how the powers are going to go in Ashoka, I reckon it's going to come down to how Vegeta was able to reach super sayain in DBZA.

  • @TheKpa11
    @TheKpa11 Рік тому +9

    1:28:06 I just think they’re pompously asserting their privilege power
    “I can do this, and there’s nothing you can do about it, and I’m out, thanks for the money”

  • @Jadguy24
    @Jadguy24 Рік тому +2

    America doesn’t have castles but we do have forts. Especially around the coast of Florida. Fort St. Augustine in st Augustine Florida for example

    • @kaliefaul1905
      @kaliefaul1905 Рік тому +2

      There's a "castle" (museum) in Loveland, Ohio.
      I actually live about 5 miles south of it.

    • @MS-sb9ov
      @MS-sb9ov Рік тому +1

      Sure in the UK we have forts too. But they aren’t castles and don’t give off the same vibe.

  • @A_Knuckledragger
    @A_Knuckledragger Рік тому +23

    If Hera is a general why would she have command over ships? Generals lead soldiers and marines.

    • @scorpixel1866
      @scorpixel1866 Рік тому +13

      On that point SW is weird, for example every Jedi during the Clone Wars (and in the Old Republic game) was automatically high ranked. There were actual admirals calling the shots in fleet action, but generals did have authority on the matter too.
      If it were to be made akin to IRL organisation, then the Army would have control over their own transports, detachments of ground support fighters, and have to ask the Navy for escort every time.
      It made sort of sense for Jedis to have certain privileges regarding hierarchy in both Republics, but Hera is a normal meatbag.

    • @piercedbylight
      @piercedbylight Рік тому +4

      I was wondering why she isn't an Admiral, but then Han was elevated to General, too

    • @urethralsensitivity
      @urethralsensitivity Рік тому +2

      The Air Force uses a traditional army hierarchy, mainly because it used to be called the US Army Air Corp, which is why it doesn’t use traditional naval ranks. It wouldn’t be a stretch to assume a high-ranking general would have command over a star fleet, or straight-up outrank any of the available naval officers. At least in Star Wars; I don’t think a General would be able to command an Admiral, even if he outranks the admiral, on earth.

    • @piercedbylight
      @piercedbylight Рік тому +5

      @@urethralsensitivity it's one of those details that was never fleshed out, but always bugged me about SW, like planets with one ecosystem.

    • @mbt808
      @mbt808 Рік тому +1

      @@urethralsensitivity Air force wouldn't have command over Capital ships, that would still be navy since the ships themselves operate similarly to capital ships today. Even military personnel, when asked on the subject, agree that space and capital ships would definitely be the navies jurisdiction since they have the experience that the air force lacks. In Sci fi terms, air force would probably be limited to planets only or be folded into the navy/army. In a planetary defense aspect, they would still have purpose cause you'd need ground forces to occupy planets after the navy leaves to maintain defences on colonies and what not. I know Star gate has the air force colonels commanding capital ships, which is one of my few minor gripes with SG-1 and Atlantis. I'm not sure why they didn't just change the ranks, wouldn't need to change the story or anything(maybe a couple of interactions here and there perhaps at most).
      Halo(in terms of the early books) and Star trek demonstrate how space capital ships would be realistically operated.

  • @emperorsean1
    @emperorsean1 Рік тому +7

    TIME STAMPS

  • @donk4979
    @donk4979 Рік тому +1

    2:09:59 Tell Shad that Timothy Zawn originally wrote Thrawn and came back and wrote new books about thrawn in the Disney canon so yes he definitely is getting royalties.

  • @abscond2
    @abscond2 Рік тому +3

    Hey Drinker. Appreciate your work!

  • @kimmycat2977
    @kimmycat2977 Рік тому +3

    Filoni's outed himself as a hack by taking on sole writing duties in this Ahsoka show. But let's not pretend Favreu is some saviour of Star Wars. Mando season 1 & 2 was a very safe show with member berries & easter eggs galore. Then having wrote 7 out of 8 episodes of TBoBF, he totally cucked Boba Fett. That was all Favreu.

    • @bjrnhalfhand2258
      @bjrnhalfhand2258 Рік тому +1

      Yep. Season 3 of The Mandalorian and BoBF are on him. And the writing in season 1 & 2 wasn't exactly amazing or complex. It was fine but nothing special.

    • @marbellaotaiza801
      @marbellaotaiza801 Рік тому +2

      "No, you don't understand, the sarlacc pit changed him"
      - Any Disney shill, certainly.
      Nobody's gonna save Star Wars. 1977 George Lucas could manifest himself today and he wouldn't be able to. We should just enjoy the originals, the prequels too if you will, even remember the 2003 Clone Wars which kicked butt, and let the rest of it die instead of keeping funding people who hate us.

    • @kimmycat2977
      @kimmycat2977 Рік тому

      @@marbellaotaiza801 That's a bleak outlook tho. There has to be creatives out there who are fans of the IP & get the material. I think if anyone can save Star Wars, it's the writers @ Respawn Entertainment. I love Jedi Fallen Order. Havent played Jedi Survivor yet. But I haven't heard any criticisms with regards to the story for both games.

  • @alanp1341
    @alanp1341 Рік тому +2

    Really enjoying this one. Great chat.

  • @theoconstantinou2839
    @theoconstantinou2839 Рік тому

    One of the cool things in Empire Strikes Back were introduced to a Exogoth (space Slug) that live in craters & caverns witch works fantastically but the Space Whales are actually ridiculous & makes no scene at all

  • @piercedbylight
    @piercedbylight Рік тому +1

    Characters in Ahsoka: "Ponderous." They're not even stoic.

  • @Klee99zeno
    @Klee99zeno Рік тому +1

    I think the first expanded universe project in Star Wars was the series of Marvel comics which ran from the beginning of the first movie. I liked it as a kid.

  • @jacobfaro9571
    @jacobfaro9571 Рік тому +2

    I would love it if you guys could do clone wars series and compare it to this, specifically seasons 4 and 7.

  • @---jt5wg
    @---jt5wg Рік тому +5

    This stream is the same as my daily life at work: me coming up with a logical solution to problem, and instead my work chooses to do the most inconvenient thing all around, and then its followed by my coworker teasing me with "There you go again, trying to be all logical about it!". I just feel the same vibe here where they go around and around on all the points of writing that make no sense.

    • @N.M.E.
      @N.M.E. Рік тому

      i feel you...

  • @matthewsommerville8911
    @matthewsommerville8911 Рік тому

    Patchwork roads are a big thing here in canada. Also sometimes watermains burst from extreme temperature changes. It makes huge sink holes in roads. Big enough for a city bus to fit in. Check out london ontario sink holes

  • @zspringerguitar
    @zspringerguitar Рік тому +2

    Ashoka is the Steven Segal of Star Wars,but without the skill set.

  • @peternincompoop1823
    @peternincompoop1823 Рік тому +1

    Within 5 minutes of your spider stories a decent sized one for a Michigan kitchen decided to say hello

  • @ChiefCrewin
    @ChiefCrewin Рік тому +2

    The way they should've brought back Thrawn is keep him out of the marketing material Have Herra and her merry idiots going around fighting remnants, wiping the floor with them, being cocky. Then comes another battle, all rhe pilots and crews are joking and laughing and talking about stupid shit, then the remnants use wild tactics that rip the new repubic fleet apart. You can do it again, or show a montage, just show restraint and hold Thrawn for a big reveal.
    But that requires a modicum of talent and restraint so they'd never do it.

  • @keithwalski6822
    @keithwalski6822 Рік тому +1

    in the in the thrawn duology there were different kind of force users yoda sent talon Karrdes former boss who was affected by a fallen jedi to monks in the unknown regions. He didnt have the force but it was like the paralyzed guy in doctor strange he was able to heal himself and do some small force tricks. nothing on the jedi level more like a spiritual monk level. Connecting to the force with out being force sensitive is possible but it doesn't make you a jedi. There are different paths to the force but they don't make you a jedi

  • @MiszAgrippa
    @MiszAgrippa Рік тому +3

    Great to see the History Bro, awesome dude

  • @theminister1154
    @theminister1154 Рік тому +1

    We have some good spiders for you in 'Murica Shad. They aren't 'Straya-sized, but they _will_ kill you. I think we're running like 33% on 'Straya except for bears & moose. Bears & moose will fuck you up pretty good actually. Fortunately we have small chill bears around here. Very fortunately since I've seen a couple hundred on foot. The ones out west are WAY different. Spider situation is the exact opposite. You gotta fumigate some houses & garages out here, no joke. Need to be careful backpacking too. As for snoikes, you got us beat there too. Still, we do have a few proper deadly snoikes. Also a selection of big cats.

  • @t.stephen5086
    @t.stephen5086 Рік тому

    Gunn had some valid points about T Burton's Batman, like him not turning his head, but lost all credibility endorsing "the flash".
    Tim Burton's Batman was a product of its time, and paid homage to the 6is TV series

  • @baddragonite
    @baddragonite Рік тому

    To be fair in the original EU novels/timeline Thrawn was a huge fan favorite character with alot of people ranking him up there with Vader

  • @History_Coffee
    @History_Coffee Рік тому +7

    40k lore>star wars lore

    • @pedrokantor3997
      @pedrokantor3997 Рік тому +3

      Anything 40k is better than Primaris Marines but Primaris Marines are still better than anything Disney StarWars.

    • @History_Coffee
      @History_Coffee Рік тому +1

      ​@RichSmithsonthey'll come for it eventually

    • @jessethemage8988
      @jessethemage8988 Рік тому +2

      We must gatekeep it. I remember this quote from the Dawn of war games. "An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded." @@History_Coffee