very well done bud 25 years here in resi and commercial. this id the best viedo i have seen in a real low headroom situation well done ...clap clap clap.cheers well done.
Dude you are a genius. I have an 89" ceiling and I thought I was not going to be able to do it. Found the super senaky brackets online. Come to Atlanta and put mine in! lol
I want to say thank you so much for this video! Afyer my husband and I worked at ot for like 10 hours lmao I came across this video! You saved us from having to return out door opener and possibly not having a door opener at all! Your concept worked perfectly and i cant thank you enough for thinking ouside the box! Awesome job! Awesome video! 5 stars
Love Grandfathers that just think it through and make it happen. Some rubbed off onto my dad and I think I got some of that wisdom as well. That's why I'm here. Totally new area for me, but, gotta get it done.
This is awesome job Your grandpa is a good solving problems guy , he extended the steel lifting cables and extended the linkage with the door with a square bar , very professional done . I am mechanical Engineer and that is one of the job I consider " one of the kind job" to fix your garage door problem. Congratulations it was AWESOME
Ingenious! Clever! Brilliant! I am glad I came accross your video. I have same situation with my garage door, where the top pannel is mounted on a hinged wheel holder. Then the clearance is within 1/4'' like you. I was hoping to use a door opener, but could not figure how. Now I know how! Thanks for sharing!
This video was inspirational! I had to work a little further out of your box, but it worked amazingly. Thank you Grandfather for the hinge idea. It worked perfectly!!
Your video helped me out greatly in setting up my garage opener. I as well have low headroom in my garage. Your grandfather is a genius! Your explanations great!
I just received another "no" from a garage door professional because of low headroom, so this video gives me hope that I can electrify mine this summer myself. You really did a beautiful job!
Good evening. I just wanted to comment and say this also is exactly what I needed. I really don't know whether I can accomplish this big project but it is great to see that it can be done. My other option is for Carriage swing doors that are on there now but I might give this a try. So once again thank you for this video. It is the most creative and detail how to video that I have ever seen. Have a blessed night!!!
I like the way you did that. I have a 7ft garage door with a 10ft ceiling and a lifted truck that wont fit. I'm in the process of raising the header to probably 9ft. Then use a jackshaft opener and 24 or 30 radius curves to have the door ride along the ceiling. Everyone tells me its not possible and its gonna be a waste of money to Mcguyver it together. I think buying the parts you need instead of a kit thats going to need to be modified will be cheaper.
Rite on bud this fixes my problem. Tell your grandfather thank you very much you should.patton this. I was installing a 16' wide door this was a garrage package and the company really didn't have a clue what they were doing. This is a great fix for this common problem
Thanks for making this video. I just installed a door opener today and ran into this issue and my dad found your video so we did what you did and works great. Well done.
Oh my goodness, thank you so much for thinking of this and sharing it. My contractor got to the end of my garage project and broke the news to me that I would not be able to have an automatic garage door opener because there was not enough clearance .... Then my mom found your video. My contractor followed your instructions and it saved me from having to get out of my car with my two-year-old daughter inside EVERY time I go into or out of the garage... For our safety and convenience, thank you.
Thank your grandpa for me. Just did this for my Vietnam Vet uncle. He was told by local contractors he could not have his opener installed due to low clearance. He lives on an island in Lake Michigan. I visited him and installed it in a day, like yours. 👍👍👍
Excellent video, thank you for this! Car-Wal in Ontario refuse to talk about this method, they just want to sell me an overpriced build-down system where i lose 9 inches of door clearance. Thankfully managed to find someone eventually that will install this way. Thanks to your grandfather too!
Thats a bad ass setup. Nice work. Definitely gave me some solutions to my problems. No where near as tight but I'm still hitting rafters with the new garage door since it's a single track.
Man it did help you not just helped me no you saved me seriously , thank you thank you so mush ❤️ , am from africa and i was thinking to start this business here in my country and i start geting informations aaaandddd look at youuu you gives me everything 😄❤️❤️
Extremely slick. Now to go full spectrum on it. ;) Those exposed cables which are parallel to the ground could probably be run inside a conduit, maybe plastic, so when the spring breaks(they all break eventually) or even cable(although it takes both to break on torsion system) breaks, the cable would be somewhat contained from flying everywhere. BTW, I'm diggin' the triangulation on the spring anchor. ;)
Thanks. I need to do a far back set up, but I have rafters running parallel to the opener shaft. So I can use the space to put the rail up top. I have to go far back to clear a support beam and low hanging ductwork though. Thanks
Not only is it rear torsion, it also looks like a reversed torsion as well. Meaning, winding a righthand wound spring backwards. Only makes sense with the reversed torsion bottom brackets & the drums set on the outside of torsion tube. I've done quite the engineering to get doors in like this. Instead of a lengthy J arm extension, I've went up between the rafters with the rail, and only the motor sits flush at ceiling height Great build my friend
Awesome job! Could you have maybe mounted a jackshaft to the rear torsion? Your grandfather was a visionary type of fella I'm guessing. Ingenious idea. I seen something like that using 2 solid steel chain motor rails working in tandem.
Sir! Wow! You just blew my mind! You're grandpa is awesome!Well done. It looks amazing! Any chance you can show me how you did the cables on the side that is mounted to the torsion bar?
Wish I'd seen this sooner! Just got our "low headroom" garage door and rails delivered and the rails have 2 tracks on them?? Pretty sure the definition of "low headroom" for us was confused as an installer said "low headroom" kit will actually make the garage door final height when open LOWER and not higher up close to the ceiling like we wanted...Oh, and he thought it will cost us another $1k+ for new rails + $1k for the install?! Still working through what options we have w the existing double rail kit. We are not even doing an opener and he said the door will be heavier to open than a standard kit. What a mess. Thanks for the video though as it gives me a place to start now I know it is possible.
Yeah i made the same mistake, and got the 2 rail kit for low headroom. i ended up using them, but i just utilize the rounded track (lower one) and use the super sneaky brackets.
Impressive! Facing this issue in the garage of the older home I recently purchased. Unfortunately, I don't have the skills needed to make this work and I'm sure if the garage door guy that said "no can do" has the ability to do it, he would triple his price. Maybe I'll look into more of a handyman type of contractor.
Great job! Question. Why did you use a double track system when the upper track isn’t being used? Did the upper track not end up working? I need to do this but want to use regular track. Thanks!
Jake, I am like so many others - this is JUST what I need to shift from a single pc door. Your Grandfather is a terrific mech engineer. Is there a way to get some plans with specifics to replicate ??
That’s impressive. I’ve never understood why a garage would ever be designed with such low headroom. That defeats the purpose of having a garage with the ability to use a garage door opener. All that being said, this is an ingenious solution to what seemed to be an impossible problem.
Thanks. I cant remember why a jackshaft opener wouldnt have worked for me, but im sure it wouldnt have worked in this situation because i remember thinking about it and then writing it off...
@@jakecrayne5120 Jackshaft opener are mounted on the shaft of the torsion spring. Since they need some lift low headroom tracks have a quick breakaway and small radius. Garage door folk say they work a bit jerky so your solution is great. Did you cut any of your vertical tracks?
Thank you Jake. a very helpful video I have an identical garage and I'm encountering same headroom problem. I was about give up when I found your video. Can you tell me which super sneaky set you used in your install.
I looking to see if I can do this at my house. I went and measured my parents 7’ door and the top of the rail measured 91”. How is your less than 87”? Also looking at yours, it has two rails on top? Is that a low head room kit also?
GREAT ! Same question... Did you cut your bottom rail. And did you add a pulley each side and chose a longer steel cable since you installed your torsion in the back. Thanks
He did not cut his bottom rail he purchased a low headroom rail kit and only used the lower of the two rails in the radius with a super sneaky set. Probably would have also worked with the standard low headroom fixture in the second track but maybe I'm wrong, every situation is different. If you bought standard rails you would have to cut them down to fit yes The cables will also need to be longer yes, and it does use pulleys in the corners yes
This is a great video. Thanks so much! You would not believe the problems I am having with garage door installers saying it can't be done. The attitude with them seems to be if they weren't taught it in garage door school, it can't be done. All I need is a person with a brain, not a robot.
Do they make a long enough drive belt that would work with this type of setup? My neighbor has the same garage height/clearance problem as you and this would probbaly work, but he hates the loud sound of the chain drive compared to my nice and quiet belt drive system.
yes it is not that the belt or chain needs to be longer, i just attached a rigid piece of steel tubing to the garage door attachment piece and extended that. i didnt not modify the garage door opener at all. a belt drive, or chain drive will work fine. just extend the linkage!
Don't get me wrong. The use of Super Sneakys are a great idea to solve a low headroom problem However, it can cause another problem. That is, a small obstruction (child leg) under the door will maybe cause the opener to not reverse reliably. The top section panel (with the Super Sneakys installed) now has the "downward" back pressure very much reduced from the opener. The opener "pressure" or force is now mostly horizontal, folding the hinge up to close the top section. There is a area where the opener may not sense an obstruction correctly. Because the opener needs to sense the vertical back pressure from an obstruction the safety aspect is contravened. Beware Americans. Blessings from New Zealand
you are correct! this is a risk i am willing to take and haven't had an issue in the ~4 years i have had this system installed. but i am aware that the auto reverse feature is slightly handicapped so i am a bit more vigilant in double checking before i close the garage
about 84 inches. the door tucks up very well. my door frame opening is about 85.5 inches, so the door ends up lowering my overall clearance by only 1.5 inches
very well done bud 25 years here in resi and commercial. this id the best viedo i have seen in a real low headroom situation well done ...clap clap clap.cheers well done.
thank you very much
Double low head room, rear mount torsion set up. I installed many of those over the years. I love your opener solution.
Dude you are a genius. I have an 89" ceiling and I thought I was not going to be able to do it. Found the super senaky brackets online. Come to Atlanta and put mine in! lol
I want to say thank you so much for this video! Afyer my husband and I worked at ot for like 10 hours lmao I came across this video! You saved us from having to return out door opener and possibly not having a door opener at all! Your concept worked perfectly and i cant thank you enough for thinking ouside the box! Awesome job! Awesome video! 5 stars
Love Grandfathers that just think it through and make it happen. Some rubbed off onto my dad and I think I got some of that wisdom as well. That's why I'm here. Totally new area for me, but, gotta get it done.
I can't believe I found exactly what I needed to see. Really nice job man.
This is awesome job Your grandpa is a good solving problems guy , he extended the steel lifting cables and extended the linkage with the door with a square bar , very professional done . I am mechanical Engineer and that is one of the job I consider " one of the kind job" to fix your garage door problem. Congratulations it was AWESOME
That's the most impressive setup I've ever seen.
Ingenious! Clever! Brilliant! I am glad I came accross your video. I have same situation with my garage door, where the top pannel is mounted on a hinged wheel holder. Then the clearance is within 1/4'' like you. I was hoping to use a door opener, but could not figure how. Now I know how! Thanks for sharing!
This video was inspirational! I had to work a little further out of your box, but it worked amazingly. Thank you Grandfather for the hinge idea. It worked perfectly!!
Your video helped me out greatly in setting up my garage opener. I as well have low headroom in my garage. Your grandfather is a genius! Your explanations great!
I just received another "no" from a garage door professional because of low headroom, so this video gives me hope that I can electrify mine this summer myself. You really did a beautiful job!
you can do it! nothing that cant be handled with some common sense and determination
Good evening. I just wanted to comment and say this also is exactly what I needed. I really don't know whether I can accomplish this big project but it is great to see that it can be done. My other option is for Carriage swing doors that are on there now but I might give this a try. So once again thank you for this video. It is the most creative and detail how to video that I have ever seen. Have a blessed night!!!
I like the way you did that. I have a 7ft garage door with a 10ft ceiling and a lifted truck that wont fit. I'm in the process of raising the header to probably 9ft. Then use a jackshaft opener and 24 or 30 radius curves to have the door ride along the ceiling. Everyone tells me its not possible and its gonna be a waste of money to Mcguyver it together. I think buying the parts you need instead of a kit thats going to need to be modified will be cheaper.
Rite on bud this fixes my problem. Tell your grandfather thank you very much you should.patton this. I was installing a 16' wide door this was a garrage package and the company really didn't have a clue what they were doing. This is a great fix for this common problem
Thanks for making this video. I just installed a door opener today and ran into this issue and my dad found your video so we did what you did and works great. Well done.
im just glad it helped you out!
That’s the longest door arm I’ve ever seen lol
There’s always a way to make a garage door automatically open I love that idea as long as it works then we can enjoy using it 😁👍 very nicely done ✅
Oh my goodness, thank you so much for thinking of this and sharing it. My contractor got to the end of my garage project and broke the news to me that I would not be able to have an automatic garage door opener because there was not enough clearance .... Then my mom found your video. My contractor followed your instructions and it saved me from having to get out of my car with my two-year-old daughter inside EVERY time I go into or out of the garage... For our safety and convenience, thank you.
so awesome to hear! great work. glad to help
Thank your grandpa for me. Just did this for my Vietnam Vet uncle. He was told by local contractors he could not have his opener installed due to low clearance. He lives on an island in Lake Michigan. I visited him and installed it in a day, like yours. 👍👍👍
Hi Jake, thanks for sharing I ran into the same issue today l, saw your video and I was relieved 😌
Props from Toronto Canada 🇨🇦
Excellent video, thank you for this! Car-Wal in Ontario refuse to talk about this method, they just want to sell me an overpriced build-down system where i lose 9 inches of door clearance. Thankfully managed to find someone eventually that will install this way. Thanks to your grandfather too!
awesome, glad this helped! my local garage door supplier was extremely unhelpful as well
Your grandpa is a very intelligent man
Thats a bad ass setup. Nice work. Definitely gave me some solutions to my problems. No where near as tight but I'm still hitting rafters with the new garage door since it's a single track.
Exactly what I needed to see after digging into 2 garage doors very similar. Thank you
Great job, buddy! That solution with the rail is ingenious.
I love the whole install!
Seen lots of this because I have been doing doors for 22 years now.
Excellent!
Your grandfather sounds like a smart guy. I may have to use this idea. Thanks very much.
Very well done. Great work. I am about to do an install that isn't much different and this video helped me a lot. Thanks for posting.
Same exact situation I’m dealing with right now. Thank you for showing me the light.
I'm doing this this weekend! Shame on the garage door industry for not finding a solution to garage doors like this.
I was thinking exactly what you did would work!! perfect now i can buy my garage door opener! thanks for sharing!
That's a pretty sweet set up. I like how you placed the spring all the way at the back
Mind Blown! Wish i saw this a week ago..
Well done. Thanks for sharing 👍🏼
Just did this on a 15 wide x 10 foot tall door. It works great! Tanks for the the idea
Creative and well done, Jake!
Man it did help you not just helped me no you saved me seriously , thank you thank you so mush ❤️ , am from africa and i was thinking to start this business here in my country and i start geting informations aaaandddd look at youuu you gives me everything 😄❤️❤️
Extremely slick. Now to go full spectrum on it. ;) Those exposed cables which are parallel to the ground could probably be run inside a conduit, maybe plastic, so when the spring breaks(they all break eventually) or even cable(although it takes both to break on torsion system) breaks, the cable would be somewhat contained from flying everywhere.
BTW, I'm diggin' the triangulation on the spring anchor. ;)
Thanks. I need to do a far back set up, but I have rafters running parallel to the opener shaft. So I can use the space to put the rail up top. I have to go far back to clear a support beam and low hanging ductwork though. Thanks
Thanks for the video. You solved my similar dilemma with an 8-foot door. 👍👍👍
so great to hear! keep up the good work
Amazing set up I never seen the drums moved way back interesting..
Well, You have a great Grandad. I'm a grandad as well and I need to solve my problem (no Headroom) too. Thanks for the info.
That’s awesome very clever 👍🏽
Your grandfather is a genius!
Its actually not a torsion bar but we get the point, fantastic solution so cherish that grandpa.
This helped very much thank you!
That is pretty slick nice job
Not only is it rear torsion, it also looks like a reversed torsion as well. Meaning, winding a righthand wound spring backwards. Only makes sense with the reversed torsion bottom brackets & the drums set on the outside of torsion tube. I've done quite the engineering to get doors in like this. Instead of a lengthy J arm extension, I've went up between the rafters with the rail, and only the motor sits flush at ceiling height
Great build my friend
Inside torsion for lh is what we do
awesome video! so little info out there on setups with under 4" of headroom. American ingenuity at its best!
Helped me Thanks to you and Grandpa!
Awesome job! Could you have maybe mounted a jackshaft to the rear torsion?
Your grandfather was a visionary type of fella I'm guessing. Ingenious idea. I seen something like that using 2 solid steel chain motor rails working in tandem.
Sir! Wow! You just blew my mind! You're grandpa is awesome!Well done. It looks amazing! Any chance you can show me how you did the cables on the side that is mounted to the torsion bar?
Thank you great job very helpful.
Great job bud 👍 👏
This is exactly what I needed
well this is going to help me so much thank you
Nice job!
That's a great idea. Thank you
Simply AMAZING!!!
Nice Work!!
Old school problem solving. I like it.
Very clever!
Thansk for sharing, super inspiring!
I agree. Genius. Well done.
Wish I'd seen this sooner! Just got our "low headroom" garage door and rails delivered and the rails have 2 tracks on them?? Pretty sure the definition of "low headroom" for us was confused as an installer said "low headroom" kit will actually make the garage door final height when open LOWER and not higher up close to the ceiling like we wanted...Oh, and he thought it will cost us another $1k+ for new rails + $1k for the install?!
Still working through what options we have w the existing double rail kit. We are not even doing an opener and he said the door will be heavier to open than a standard kit. What a mess. Thanks for the video though as it gives me a place to start now I know it is possible.
Yeah i made the same mistake, and got the 2 rail kit for low headroom. i ended up using them, but i just utilize the rounded track (lower one) and use the super sneaky brackets.
Rear torsion, very fun!!!
Well done!
Wow good job man.
Impressive! Facing this issue in the garage of the older home I recently purchased. Unfortunately, I don't have the skills needed to make this work and I'm sure if the garage door guy that said "no can do" has the ability to do it, he would triple his price. Maybe I'll look into more of a handyman type of contractor.
this video solved my problem thanks
It does help someone - that's me - thank you
How did you install the torsion bar in the back. Is there special bracket for that if so were can I get them at
Really cool. I have the same problem. My rafters at 87 inches also. Did you cut the bottom vertical track where the wheel goes?
Well done, everyone is telling me it can’t be done
Very good job
Great job! Question. Why did you use a double track system when the upper track isn’t being used? Did the upper track not end up working? I need to do this but want to use regular track. Thanks!
That's slick
That is tier 1 level awesome 👍
Nice job.
and he got this door in with in 3 inch's very impressive.for a 7 foot high door.
Jake, I am like so many others - this is JUST what I need to shift from a single pc door. Your Grandfather is a terrific mech engineer. Is there a way to get some plans with specifics to replicate ??
Thank you.
That’s impressive. I’ve never understood why a garage would ever be designed with such low headroom. That defeats the purpose of having a garage with the ability to use a garage door opener. All that being said, this is an ingenious solution to what seemed to be an impossible problem.
Thanks. I cant remember why a jackshaft opener wouldnt have worked for me, but im sure it wouldnt have worked in this situation because i remember thinking about it and then writing it off...
@@jakecrayne5120 Jackshaft opener are mounted on the shaft of the torsion spring. Since they need some lift low headroom tracks have a quick breakaway and small radius. Garage door folk say they work a bit jerky so your solution is great. Did you cut any of your vertical tracks?
thanks grampa!
Thank you
Clever idea
Ya man"! Totally helpful
Thank you Jake. a very helpful video I have an identical garage and I'm encountering same headroom problem. I was about give up when I found your video. Can you tell me which super sneaky set you used in your install.
www.supersneaky.com/product/super-sneaky-ss-low-overhead-garage-door-hinges/
they were just under $60
I looking to see if I can do this at my house. I went and measured my parents 7’ door and the top of the rail measured 91”. How is your less than 87”? Also looking at yours, it has two rails on top? Is that a low head room kit also?
Very clever
What type of track did you use? Regular or low clearance, or straight? No one up here wants to do this!
GREAT ! Same question... Did you cut your bottom rail. And did you add a pulley each side and chose a longer steel cable since you installed your torsion in the back. Thanks
He did not cut his bottom rail he purchased a low headroom rail kit and only used the lower of the two rails in the radius with a super sneaky set. Probably would have also worked with the standard low headroom fixture in the second track but maybe I'm wrong, every situation is different. If you bought standard rails you would have to cut them down to fit yes
The cables will also need to be longer yes, and it does use pulleys in the corners yes
This is a great video. Thanks so much! You would not believe the problems I am having with garage door installers saying it can't be done. The attitude with them seems to be if they weren't taught it in garage door school, it can't be done. All I need is a person with a brain, not a robot.
Ha ha ha ha ha
Do they make a long enough drive belt that would work with this type of setup? My neighbor has the same garage height/clearance problem as you and this would probbaly work, but he hates the loud sound of the chain drive compared to my nice and quiet belt drive system.
yes it is not that the belt or chain needs to be longer, i just attached a rigid piece of steel tubing to the garage door attachment piece and extended that. i didnt not modify the garage door opener at all. a belt drive, or chain drive will work fine. just extend the linkage!
Amazing
Genius 😊
Thanks
What is the actual effective height clearance when the garage door is up? (Meaning how tall can your car be before it hits something?
I believe 84 inches. the header is at 87 or so, plus an inch and a half of wood trim. the garage door tucks up in there pretty good.
Don't get me wrong. The use of Super Sneakys are a great idea to solve a low headroom problem However, it can cause another problem.
That is, a small obstruction (child leg) under the door will maybe cause the opener to not reverse reliably.
The top section panel (with the Super Sneakys installed) now has the "downward" back pressure very much reduced from the opener. The opener "pressure" or force is now mostly horizontal, folding the hinge up to close the top section. There is a area where the opener may not sense an obstruction correctly.
Because the opener needs to sense the vertical back pressure from an obstruction the safety aspect is contravened. Beware Americans.
Blessings from New Zealand
you are correct! this is a risk i am willing to take and haven't had an issue in the ~4 years i have had this system installed. but i am aware that the auto reverse feature is slightly handicapped so i am a bit more vigilant in double checking before i close the garage
@@jakecrayne5120 Thanks Jake. You are a good guy with a great Grandad
Jake, Do you have a photo of the garage door in the open position? What is the opening space encroachment when the door is open at the top?
about 84 inches. the door tucks up very well. my door frame opening is about 85.5 inches, so the door ends up lowering my overall clearance by only 1.5 inches