Without a doubt we have, over the last 20 or so years, created an environment where disagreement is seen as hatred, where holding a different view is seen as a personal attack. Jonathan Haidt's concept of 'safetyism' is one well worth considering. Many are fond of the phrase 'the personal is political.' It really shouldn't be.
@@addmin5487 and liberals get triggered at facts as well such as Black Lives Matter don't care about Black Lives and want to make the world a worse place
I wouldnt associate abuse with woke or anti woke.. Unfortunately, it seems to simply be a symptom of social media. The way it's framed in this video is as it's a problem only on the right or anti woke. Many people anti woke would still consider themselves liberal or on the left.
@@Effective_tool_of_Satan horrific tras fobic views that are shared by the majority of the population? I happen to disagree with her a bit but I respect her right of opinion without being vilified and I fail to see any of these views are 'horrific'. And the abuse she receives is comparable to Owens at the very least. And the fact she is tainted forever as a transphobe, unlike Owen.
Surely this is the key point; thanks for flagging. The left should represent freedom of opinion but now has morphed into a more authoritarian feel of conformity… left and right seemed to have switched. Interesting times culturally.
@@jessesheriff5047 Wrong, the left are about ideas, social justice and equity while the right are regressive about prohibition, returning to the past and social conservatism where only those who conform to their ideology have freedom of expression and privilege
It is real.. And it is now defined as someone seeing racism or sexism in anything, and pursuing cacellation of said peraon, creating a puritanical sterile environment!
With all due respect to the very well meaning Owen Jones he can never carry out a proper fact finding interview. His prejudices always get in the way however much he tries. He could learn a lot from BBC's Evan Davis --who for my money has the most curious brain in MSM.
What do you honestly think will happen? You think that a trans woman is going to act like a dainty lady as they're heading in, then suddenly transform into Sid James as soon as they see women changing? "COOOORRR, BLIMEY! 'ELLO GIRLS!" Then starts groping the women, and then suddenly turn back into a lady when they're called out for it? Sorry, but that just doesn't happen.
Also where’s the conclusions? T TY his was just Owen agreeing with people who shared his view, and looking confused when people say he’s wrong . Why did I expect anything else lol
Well exactly. It felt like it only made it half way. The academic who spoke made really excellent points BUT what about examining something like the rebranding of JK Rowling, or the reactions to Magdalene Burns- these are women talking about complex issues that need to be addressed, and doing so with decency, and they have been vilified by the ideological auditors on the left. Authoritarianism is authoritarianism, it doesn't matter whether it's right or left.
You really thought you ate :)) I'm sure when people don't agree with you, you just have a "charming" smile and don't look confused at all, even if they make really d*mb points. Just say you don't like that guy and move on, mate.
@@davidpryle3935 i really like paul and his common sense approach to all things political,,would,nt even get a look in a modern labour party though ,shame 5 million extra votes there
As someone who is left economically and supports Labour, I agree with Paul Embery. Many on the left now have prioritised social liberalism over everything else, and it is damaging the cause. Most Labour voters or past Labour voters that I know want affordable housing, secure employment, and decent public services, and are a bit baffled by some of the identity politics that seem to be so high up on the agenda. I'm definitely not saying that issues of identity and social justice shouldn't be considered, and aren't important but it seems to be the thing that defines some of the loudest voices on the left now.
Thank you Owen; thought provoking, as always. I don't always agree with you, but you're not always wrong ... which is really the problem. Today's society is becoming so polarized, that it's either "you are with us without question", or "against us totally". The middle ground has disappeared. 'Tolerance' can't exist in a culture where points of view are so far apart. Internet culture has seeped into real life in some really toxic ways, I think. To take two extremes: Twitter gets mixed up with Instagram. What I mean by this, is the seemingly casual photo on Instagram, is actually the best selected from dozens, but viewers get confused and think that it presents the reality of that person's life. (which creates all kinds of problems, but that's another topic) While a casual thought on Twitter, written without much attention, to demonstrate a point (which is basically the point of Tweets), gets pulled apart word by word, as if those 140 characters hold the key to the writer's entire world view. But the opposites are the real truth ... Instagram is a carefully curated and presented view of how one would like to be seen. And more importantly, Twitter is the casual conversation in the pub where people should be given a break if they don't quite express themselves how they would like to. The well-educated and articulate pour scorn of those who find it more difficult to accurately express themselves. Remainers point the finger at those who voted for Brexit and say they must be racist or stupid. The same happens to Trump supporters. This is carefully calculated "divide and rule". Ok. Owen. You probably will have given up before reading this far (if at all). Don't pull my words apart too much. It's a 1.00am stream of consciousness; not very well thought out.
Winston Churchill was a racist. I don't care if you're offended, I have the right to say what I think and no one is allowed to challenge me about it, because if you disagree with me I feel like you are trying to cancel me.
I watched this twice, because after watching it once I couldn't see how you tried to answer your own question. How did woke become a dirty word. Example: You are told that a binary decision is made about someone for even liking Churchill, and you change topics to the fact that there people who get racist hate directed at them, which is completely unrelated. I think if you want to understand why woke is a four letter word you need to start listening. You're not going to understand someone by talking at them. Why woke is a four letter word can be seen in many public firings. And from the vindictive treatment the teacher gets in After Class (2019 movie). I also encourage you to read the book "Games people play", by Eric Berne. Woke culture is the game "Now I got you you son of a bitch".
The guy who flew the “white lives matter” banner lost his job and his girlfriend did as well. OJ left this part out. The Labour Party being on the side of firing working class people from their jobs for expressing an opinion (not even at work) is a fine illustration of what Labour is today.
I think it's an interesting video, and I appreciate how he sought out opposing viewpoints, but you're right that he isn't particularly answering the question
It’s not unrelated at all. Someone made a criticism of something, which is their right and in return they got threats of violence. As for Churchill people have the right to their opinions of him.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 Did the Labour Party call for these people to lose their jobs? I think you will find the public on all sides of the political spectrum will call for someone to be sacked if they are offended.
@@iangascoigne8231 Labour are currently saying they'll make misogyny a hate crime, as well as a slew of other misandrist legislation. In the alternate reality where they're electable. Labour would likely prefer he'd been arrested as well.
Here's the issue, the media is heavily tipped on one side of those scales, so the public is reactionary, and justifiably so. All distraction from class consciousness.
"Let me paint 'the other' as something they're not and then claim they're only reacting to be evil" The absolute best example of tribal ignorance in the entire video. It's just hate.
But, and far be it from Joe Bloggs to say anything against cats for they are the last word in cleanliness, Independence, amusing entertainment and affection, not to say even character study - they’ll weigh you up without you knowing anything about it! - but this cat is not a friendly moggie...Best of British anyway!
@@riyadougla539 it's really about integration. For example, there is a large Italian community in Scotland where I come from. There were Italian kids in every class at school. Nobody ever even thought twice. The only thing was they went to the Chapel on Sundays. But they were as British and Scottish as I am. Same was true of the smaller Polish community and we even had a few French and Spanish. Completely integrated.
@@RodFleming-World My grandfather came from Bangladesh in the 50's. I have English friends who don't see me as an outsider. Those who complain about racism all the time need to integrate more.
Man.... Oh man I wish you would have brought that conversation down here in America. I guarantee you would have gotten the answers you were looking for.
Yeah a one word slogan bandied about by a spoilt white bigot you voted to do just that. To attribute it to anything that isn't far right Christian agenda aimed at putting people in further boxes. Your country is corrupt. You citizens cannot gave the liberties and right other progressive nations have. That is corruption.
Watching Dr. Whitelivesdontsmatter and Owen go to huge extents to straw man their opponents by reading a blackmail DM. Instead of fairly repeating whatever the points their interview subjects disagreed on. Here's a BETTER idea! Let's misrepresent their argument and make seem like every person who disagrees w me is calling me an elephant worshiper and closet racist. ***SATISFIEDEMOJI***
Owen and the Guardian still don't understand. They are in the noisy minority. Labour voters are in the minority. The majority aren't interested. Cheers.
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What is Owen Jones' net worth? Once you know that figure, you don't need to listen to him on his views. Jones is suffering from what one of his ideological guides, Karl Marx, identified with the term FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS ( you can loosely call it hypocrisy in Owen Jones' case, given the distinctively moralistic tone and premise of his views)
Deservedly so many of the 1 % ers, aristocrats/traditionalists didn't care if people's families suffered and starved, of course you always have opportunists who seek power and control , sadists and bad faith actors on both sides who take advantage and pervert well intentioned democratic ideals for their own insidious intentions.
I really expected Owen to push back against the obviously spurious arguments presented by the 'comedien' and Paul Embery. What did this video achieve? Platforming people with terrible viewpoints without a counter argument is so demoralising right now..
So many RW trolls in the Guardian comment section, same as SKY, Daily Mail/Mirror, TYT Fox etc it is now worth the aggro, the right have spent multi-millions on think tanks and troll farms, whereas the left are just separate individuals like Owen that they are attacking on a personal level, they run on hate and fearmongering.
@@theGuardian It's a fair question in some ways. Who decides what needs to have a trigger warning or not, when the list of things that could offend someone is potentially endless. At what point does the list become too silly.
@@tobiasolds5669 In that context, it's to be expected. The problem for either side is when things are deliberately taken out of context to be shot down or "cancelled".
The problem with wokeism is that it makes enemies of people who have always been on the same side and frustratingly that side is invariably the Left. And it often starts with people not even agreeing whether wokeism even exists. Jones needs to hit the gym.
I'm living that fear now, as our only child is 27 and heavily entrenched. We're afraid to have any conversations with her, even mundane. Her outrage and judgement is ... frightening. Over time we hope she "evens out" a bit. Wish us luck!
Most can't even define what it is beyond a feeling, weaponized ignorance and fearmongering coupled with extreme nationalism is more dangerous than nukes.
@@thatswhatisaidCA Maybe you should listen to new ideas outside of your echo chamber, read some new books, just because something was considered true or OK 40years ago doesn't mean it still is now.
Woke, Awake to social issues, especially those related to race. Ie much of what white right wants to talk about. What woke is not, is a way to label or set aside as bad, people who hold views different to the speaker.
owen jones & the guardian; what a pair.
Both utterly disgusting.
Without a doubt we have, over the last 20 or so years, created an environment where disagreement is seen as hatred, where holding a different view is seen as a personal attack. Jonathan Haidt's concept of 'safetyism' is one well worth considering. Many are fond of the phrase 'the personal is political.' It really shouldn't be.
Jonathan Haidt is so amazing... everyone should read "the coddling of the american mind" to see his view on "protectionism"!
People are too sensitive
Your comment offends me
including the bigots
@@helldeirch lol!! zero grasp of irony.
I agree, conservatives get too triggered by stating facts like “churchill was a racist”
@@addmin5487 and liberals get triggered at facts as well
such as Black Lives Matter don't care about Black Lives and want to make the world a worse place
They call Churchill racist but if it wasn't for him, an angry German mustache model would've rule the world
Not necessarily, because Stalin would still have existed.
He was racist.
Controversial opinion: Churchill was a war hero and a racist.
He was an aristocrat born in 1874. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t racist.
Yes, the irony.
Owen complains about the abuse him and his friends receive yet not one mention of the horrific abuse someone like JK Rowling gets?
I wouldnt associate abuse with woke or anti woke.. Unfortunately, it seems to simply be a symptom of social media. The way it's framed in this video is as it's a problem only on the right or anti woke. Many people anti woke would still consider themselves liberal or on the left.
Probably because JK is a billionaire with horrific transfobic views that actually doesn't recieve any kind of meaningful abuse
@@Effective_tool_of_Satan horrific tras fobic views that are shared by the majority of the population? I happen to disagree with her a bit but I respect her right of opinion without being vilified and I fail to see any of these views are 'horrific'. And the abuse she receives is comparable to Owens at the very least. And the fact she is tainted forever as a transphobe, unlike Owen.
@@Effective_tool_of_Satan "Horrific"? 😸
@@Del-Canada Yes, horrific
Fascinating that he refuses to see the parallels between whitehouse and the left today... the similarities are truly remarkable.
Surely this is the key point; thanks for flagging. The left should represent freedom of opinion but now has morphed into a more authoritarian feel of conformity… left and right seemed to have switched. Interesting times culturally.
@@jessesheriff5047 Wrong, the left are about ideas, social justice and equity while the right are regressive about prohibition, returning to the past and social conservatism where only those who conform to their ideology have freedom of expression and privilege
Have never been a fan of this guy. I also hate the term "woke". I don't consider it "dirty". It just sounds stupid and unintelligent.
It makes sense in the black American culture it originated.
I have never heard a left Brit use it.
Owen conflating everything he doesn’t like as one thing lol
winging helps nobody.
All those comments, all that passion.... Luke, I think you secretly fancy him. Come on, admit it
@@Marenqo Dude, you posted cringe.
The term has now become a marketing tool the same as greenwashing.
what is it marketing?
@@sagfsaggwsgsdfhdsdag Just have to Google 'wokeadverts' to see plenty of companies using awareness as a means to sell produce.
@@jonnyred8015 ahh i see what you mean. The colorfull logo's we get for one month a year
Yep. Co-opted by the 'evil capitalists' lol!!
It is real.. And it is now defined as someone seeing racism or sexism in anything, and pursuing cacellation of said peraon, creating a puritanical sterile environment!
I really can’t wait for ‘Spitting Image’ to return. They’ll have an absolute field day on this chap.
With all due respect to the very well meaning Owen Jones he can never carry out a proper fact finding interview. His prejudices always get in the way however much he tries. He could learn a lot from BBC's Evan Davis --who for my money has the most curious brain in MSM.
Owen pushes back on the two critics and accepts the woke narratives from the others without question . ( shocked pikachu face )
A man walks into a female changing room and strips off. It's okay though because he "identifies" as a woman. Not on my watch!
Why what are you going to do about it Rambo?
Paranoia will destroy ya, so where is this happening? Nowhere is the answer, you are all worked up over something that does not happen in reality.
What do you honestly think will happen? You think that a trans woman is going to act like a dainty lady as they're heading in, then suddenly transform into Sid James as soon as they see women changing? "COOOORRR, BLIMEY! 'ELLO GIRLS!" Then starts groping the women, and then suddenly turn back into a lady when they're called out for it? Sorry, but that just doesn't happen.
Also where’s the conclusions? T TY his was just Owen agreeing with people who shared his view, and looking confused when people say he’s wrong .
Why did I expect anything else lol
oh dear
Well exactly. It felt like it only made it half way. The academic who spoke made really excellent points BUT what about examining something like the rebranding of JK Rowling, or the reactions to Magdalene Burns- these are women talking about complex issues that need to be addressed, and doing so with decency, and they have been vilified by the ideological auditors on the left.
Authoritarianism is authoritarianism, it doesn't matter whether it's right or left.
You really thought you ate :))
I'm sure when people don't agree with you, you just have a "charming" smile and don't look confused at all, even if they make really d*mb points.
Just say you don't like that guy and move on, mate.
I like the guy at 9:37 that just shuts his utter rubbish down. Magnificent man
I just skipped his nonsense to this time point ta!
@@Michael-vf6nb you’re very welcome. Glad I managed to save you 9:37 minutes of drivel
@@Jay92925 That’s blue labour activist Paul Embery. You should try and get hold of his book, “Despised, why the modern left loathes the working class”
@@davidpryle3935 i really like paul and his common sense approach to all things political,,would,nt even get a look in a modern labour party though ,shame 5 million extra votes there
The whole video was this bloke relating people not liking wokeness to a homophobic woman I’ve never heard of.
If you haven't heard of Mary Whitehouse, you should find out more about the recent (post-1945) history of Britain.
Technically it's called straw-manning right
As someone who is left economically and supports Labour, I agree with Paul Embery. Many on the left now have prioritised social liberalism over everything else, and it is damaging the cause. Most Labour voters or past Labour voters that I know want affordable housing, secure employment, and decent public services, and are a bit baffled by some of the identity politics that seem to be so high up on the agenda. I'm definitely not saying that issues of identity and social justice shouldn't be considered, and aren't important but it seems to be the thing that defines some of the loudest voices on the left now.
Thank you Owen; thought provoking, as always.
I don't always agree with you, but you're not always wrong ... which is really the problem. Today's society is becoming so polarized, that it's either "you are with us without question", or "against us totally". The middle ground has disappeared. 'Tolerance' can't exist in a culture where points of view are so far apart.
Internet culture has seeped into real life in some really toxic ways, I think. To take two extremes: Twitter gets mixed up with Instagram.
What I mean by this, is the seemingly casual photo on Instagram, is actually the best selected from dozens, but viewers get confused and think that it presents the reality of that person's life. (which creates all kinds of problems, but that's another topic)
While a casual thought on Twitter, written without much attention, to demonstrate a point (which is basically the point of Tweets), gets pulled apart word by word, as if those 140 characters hold the key to the writer's entire world view.
But the opposites are the real truth ...
Instagram is a carefully curated and presented view of how one would like to be seen. And more importantly, Twitter is the casual conversation in the pub where people should be given a break if they don't quite express themselves how they would like to.
The well-educated and articulate pour scorn of those who find it more difficult to accurately express themselves. Remainers point the finger at those who voted for Brexit and say they must be racist or stupid. The same happens to Trump supporters. This is carefully calculated "divide and rule".
Ok. Owen. You probably will have given up before reading this far (if at all). Don't pull my words apart too much. It's a 1.00am stream of consciousness; not very well thought out.
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Well said, I couldn't agree more with you.
Lovely stuff. I appreciate your insight
Ignorant Tribalism is the opposite of tolerance and a lot of people just dont get that.
The problem is most people are able to exchange ideas. It's media that is the problem.
The prof didn’t deserve the hate mail but it was a silly ambiguous tweet that she sent for notoriety
Winston Churchill was a racist. I don't care if you're offended, I have the right to say what I think and no one is allowed to challenge me about it, because if you disagree with me I feel like you are trying to cancel me.
It's funny hows hes clutching onto the most extreme example that happened 40-50 years ago
Mary Whitehouse.
It's history, he's putting it into some context...
I watched this twice, because after watching it once I couldn't see how you tried to answer your own question. How did woke become a dirty word.
Example: You are told that a binary decision is made about someone for even liking Churchill, and you change topics to the fact that there people who get racist hate directed at them, which is completely unrelated.
I think if you want to understand why woke is a four letter word you need to start listening. You're not going to understand someone by talking at them.
Why woke is a four letter word can be seen in many public firings. And from the vindictive treatment the teacher gets in After Class (2019 movie).
I also encourage you to read the book "Games people play", by Eric Berne. Woke culture is the game "Now I got you you son of a bitch".
The guy who flew the “white lives matter” banner lost his job and his girlfriend did as well. OJ left this part out. The Labour Party being on the side of firing working class people from their jobs for expressing an opinion (not even at work) is a fine illustration of what Labour is today.
I think it's an interesting video, and I appreciate how he sought out opposing viewpoints, but you're right that he isn't particularly answering the question
It’s not unrelated at all. Someone made a criticism of something, which is their right and in return they got threats of violence. As for Churchill people have the right to their opinions of him.
@@cockoffgewgle4993 Did the Labour Party call for these people to lose their jobs? I think you will find the public on all sides of the political spectrum will call for someone to be sacked if they are offended.
@@iangascoigne8231 Labour are currently saying they'll make misogyny a hate crime, as well as a slew of other misandrist legislation. In the alternate reality where they're electable.
Labour would likely prefer he'd been arrested as well.
With respect that's rubbish hahaha
My brain every time Owen says something
Far-right mad people and far-left mad people are tearing the social tissue apart. It's scary to foresee the next decades in many countries.
Here's the issue, the media is heavily tipped on one side of those scales, so the public is reactionary, and justifiably so.
All distraction from class consciousness.
@@Unlucky-Dube yes.. they cover for the leftists
@@Unlucky-Dube I wouldn't say that.
11:45 “The idea is that any concession of absolute power is equivalent to oppression.”
The minorities are not oppressed. They with the white allies terrorize the majority. You're not owed equal power.
"Let me paint 'the other' as something they're not and then claim they're only reacting to be evil"
The absolute best example of tribal ignorance in the entire video. It's just hate.
Would've been valuable to hear black American views about this (considering the word's origin).
Valuable to whom?
No it was just valuable to you to remind everyone that black people did in fact coin the phrase. Posturing, in my mind often in step with wokeness.
George Carlin on Our Similarities -~- the 1min 28sec video [ by Ammar Khan ]
EXACTLY.
Your cat is a rock star, and definitely the wokest person online! I watched a second time just to focus on it.
But, and far be it from Joe Bloggs to say anything against cats for they are the last word in cleanliness, Independence, amusing entertainment and affection, not to say even character study - they’ll weigh you up without you knowing anything about it! - but this cat is not a friendly moggie...Best of British anyway!
Keep it up Owen, keep it up until 2024. Then perhaps you can help labour lose another election 👏
You are doing god's work, thank you!
Yeah, because with how Boris has handled this whole covid outbreak he's just a shoe-in isn't he
@Silvercloud141 141 Didn't work for Brown or Milliband
@Silvercloud141 141 Citation needed
@Silvercloud141 141 About what you just said
@@CitizenSnips Just look at the result of the last election. No citation needed.
Nice modest flat you got there lol
Is it not a modest flat? Looks fairly pokey to me, especially considering his position in the media.
@@jimsy5530 For London? It looks pretty swanky.
I have nothing to say I just like his cat
Also, their fur matches Owen.
Please go to videos about cats if that's all you've got to say.
@@clecklass ok but I just really like his cat in particular
People in minorities should be respected but they must remember that they are minorities. The tail does not wag the dog.
I'm just as proud of being British as a white English person, but I get what you mean.
@@riyadougla539 it's really about integration. For example, there is a large Italian community in Scotland where I come from. There were Italian kids in every class at school. Nobody ever even thought twice. The only thing was they went to the Chapel on Sundays. But they were as British and Scottish as I am. Same was true of the smaller Polish community and we even had a few French and Spanish. Completely integrated.
@@RodFleming-World My grandfather came from Bangladesh in the 50's. I have English friends who don't see me as an outsider. Those who complain about racism all the time need to integrate more.
Owen jones puts his fingers in his ears when an ambulance passes
Prolonged exposure to high frequencies and loud noise can cause tinnitus so actually very wise thing to do.
I noticed more DISLIKES than LIKES, he says he wants council housing etc but housing for who.. SHAME on you Owen Jones
Sooner starve to death than support middle class bourgeoisie labour, working class no surrender
Man....
Oh man I wish you would have brought that conversation down here in America. I guarantee you would have gotten the answers you were looking for.
Yeah a one word slogan bandied about by a spoilt white bigot you voted to do just that. To attribute it to anything that isn't far right Christian agenda aimed at putting people in further boxes. Your country is corrupt. You citizens cannot gave the liberties and right other progressive nations have. That is corruption.
Look at the professor backtracking.
youtube: 'George Carlin on Our Similarities.' It's ALL there !!!!!!!!! ( ps. 13:25 -- 13.57 )
‘How did we get to this point? Asks the Gaurdian reading feminist/ lesbian/ black/ Transgender activist.
A lot of things the two men being interviewed say and how they say it, is very, very telling. 🥴
Telling of what?
The more this guy spouts his mouth the more I turn to the right
Watching Dr. Whitelivesdontsmatter and Owen go to huge extents to straw man their opponents by reading a blackmail DM. Instead of fairly repeating whatever the points their interview subjects disagreed on. Here's a BETTER idea! Let's misrepresent their argument and make seem like every person who disagrees w me is calling me an elephant worshiper and closet racist. ***SATISFIEDEMOJI***
Love the comedian
I think this was a very good video, thankyou for making this
Geoff Norcott would actually be considered reasonably moderate in America
He seems like the kind of man to have cats
No-one HAS cats.
Come now, I have cats and also compete in semi pro boxing.
Owen and the Guardian still don't understand. They are in the noisy minority. Labour voters are in the minority. The majority aren't interested. Cheers.
I love you Owen Jones you're an infinite source for upbeat subversive cringe content. Truly a gen z Brian Stelter indeed. More content.
3:30 ( would be '33' ) there goes the usual black and white stripe code.
Ideologue. Quite dim.
Mary Whitehouse and Owen Jones have a certain amount in common.
How? ... shouldn't really dignify the question with any kind of response ... hence :
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Thanks for this interesting dip into the debate between left and right wing issues, Guardian. More please!
If you disagree with me you disagree with "Minority Rights Marching On". So we can't disagree we with you got it. 👍🏻
We got to this point owen because of the likes of you but this is what you want complete control by the state what to do what to think what to say
That would be the authoritarian right and religious kooks.
Quite simply Mary whithouse is the straw man in this hopeless piece .
Blair said the next Socialism will be social justice.
He can’t be that bad . The cat likes him.
What is Owen Jones' net worth?
Once you know that figure, you don't need to listen to him on his views. Jones is suffering from what one of his ideological guides, Karl Marx, identified with the term FALSE CONSCIOUSNESS ( you can loosely call it hypocrisy in Owen Jones' case, given the distinctively moralistic tone and premise of his views)
It all started with our neighbours post French Revolution.
Deservedly so many of the 1 % ers, aristocrats/traditionalists didn't care if people's families suffered and starved, of course you always have opportunists who seek power and control , sadists and bad faith actors on both sides who take advantage and pervert well intentioned democratic ideals for their own insidious intentions.
We’ve gone off the rails since. Mary Whitehouse nodding sadly in her grave.
Professor Gopal nailed it at the end. @11:31
She is a nutcase.
She played just as much as a victim as anyone else it appears.
Why do you think she nails it?
The working class guy who flew the banner lost his job. She had no repercussions for her racist tweet. Wokeness encapsulated.
I came here for Geoff. Still, good for Owen to speak to someone out of his bubble.
someone always comments that about Owen but that is literally all he does in his videos.
That right wing comedian just said he is anti-ideas almost as soon as he sat down. Let’s hope he is making a joke.
Comedian making a joke? Unthinkable
In my day he was called a shirt lifritered
Isn't what comes out of his mouth more important than what might go in there?
In the conversation?
Very thoughtful piece 👏 thank you
Cats aren't that funny or interesting
Love the cats 🐈 😻
I really expected Owen to push back against the obviously spurious arguments presented by the 'comedien' and Paul Embery. What did this video achieve? Platforming people with terrible viewpoints without a counter argument is so demoralising right now..
"Platforming people with terrible viewpoints without a counter argument is so demoralising right now.."
Poor baby
Define 'terrible'. Or do you just mean 'viewpoints you do not share?'
@@RodFleming-World From the Miriam-Webster dictionary: strongly repulsive : OBNOXIOUS
Glad to help Rod!
@@gillianmoran9352 that's a Yank dictionary.
@@RodFleming-World Aw Rod it's ok just google it sweetheart. I'm sorry but I don't have the time to explain language to you.
Guardian apologists for Priyamvada Gopal's racism, nothing new.
I love him because he is intelligent and bright, unlike you commenting here...
So many RW trolls in the Guardian comment section, same as SKY, Daily Mail/Mirror, TYT Fox etc it is now worth the aggro, the right have spent multi-millions on think tanks and troll farms, whereas the left are just separate individuals like Owen that they are attacking on a personal level, they run on hate and fearmongering.
Owen Jones is so annoying.
Did OWEN really understand the LEFTY joke
Oh dear. Owen as predictable as ever. Depressing. Loved the cat.
One day... Owen will realise...
The guardian is evil
Was the Indian professor cancelled?
Forehead
Woke is not the left.
Can you put a trigger warning before you have pictures of a groom and groom kissing at a wedding please?
No.
@@theGuardian It's a fair question in some ways. Who decides what needs to have a trigger warning or not, when the list of things that could offend someone is potentially endless. At what point does the list become too silly.
@@tobiasolds5669
In that context, it's to be expected. The problem for either side is when things are deliberately taken out of context to be shot down or "cancelled".
Owen is a beautiful young lesbian in this film.
Another years ago problem , the reaching is pathetic
By beeng dirty.
This Mary Whitehouse sounds like a female Nigel Farage.
14:30 you deserve it. I remember what you wrote.
The insults people get mean they are correct?
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Estanislao chico what do you mean
Totally with Paul here. It is damaging because it is artificial.
The problem with wokeism is that it makes enemies of people who have always been on the same side and frustratingly that side is invariably the Left. And it often starts with people not even agreeing whether wokeism even exists.
Jones needs to hit the gym.
Imagine living your life in fear of "wokeness" 😅
I'm living that fear now, as our only child is 27 and heavily entrenched. We're afraid to have any conversations with her, even mundane. Her outrage and judgement is ... frightening. Over time we hope she "evens out" a bit. Wish us luck!
I'm afraid these nutjobs are going to form a red guard, the similarities are all there.
Most can't even define what it is beyond a feeling, weaponized ignorance and fearmongering coupled with extreme nationalism is more dangerous than nukes.
@@thatswhatisaidCA Maybe you should listen to new ideas outside of your echo chamber, read some new books, just because something was considered true or OK 40years ago doesn't mean it still is now.
@@sophiepooks2174maybe you should mind your own business
Was zum Geier geht denn bei euch vor? Und was ist das P-Wort?
Pfurz.
like and dislike ratio shieeeeeeeeet
Woke, Awake to social issues, especially those related to race. Ie much of what white right wants to talk about. What woke is not, is a way to label or set aside as bad, people who hold views different to the speaker.
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well haters, we are not going to sleep again, EVER 😈
Owen Jones is an embarrassment!
Commies
Owen Jones is a horrible excuse of a man. He’s a utter W⚓️
I wasted my 15 minutes to watch that garbage.
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