Where Did Dogs Really Come From?
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2021
- From Charles Darwin's seminal work, "On the Origin of the Good Boys."
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From personal research I can confirm it was not only food that attracted dogs to humans. It was also because we had sofas for them to sleep on.
They have been good boys for the past 27,000 years
And girls
@@Butterflylion1 Nope. Even girl doggos are considered "good bois". It's a gender neutral term.
Still good boys 👍
Up until a dingo eats your baby
@@stevennowachek2657 Dingos are not dogs, and therefore are not good bois.
I grew up with cats and got a dog when I was an adult and finally had a yard. I did not fully understand the phrase "man's best friend" until I had a dog in my life. She is so incredibly smart. Even though she knows at least 20 words, we can easily communicate via gestures in a way I've never seen another animal do with a human. I love my cats just as much, but it is not the same. The best is imitation when we play: she pretends she's Godzilla and stomps around with her front feet only or we have a dance party with some thumpin base and she might as well have glow sticks on her collar.
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I’m glad you have got to experience this beautiful relationship. Dogs all have such unique personalities. I have my 8th dog I’ve had in my life now and all of them have been so different and special in their own ways. ❤
My dog is 9 and still hasn't figured out that to play chase she has to release the ball from her mouth.
Where do dogs come from? Well, when a mommy dog and a daddy dog love each other very much...
Perfect 👌
RAWDOGGING and dogging down the local park.
Then the mummy dog lies down in the warm blanket recently vacated by the daddy dog and ‘VOILA’ !
That's a good one
..they go to the animal shelter and adopt a puppy?
"Survival of the friendliest".
Or usefulness
People think "survival of the fittest" has something to do with size and aggressiveness. It actually means, survival of the ones who fit in best to their environment. I think about all the bullies who think picking on weaker people means they are fittest. It's too bad this phrase is so widely misunderstood and used to exact brutality on the innocent.
Aaand im dead
If the Siberian Fox experiment is anything to go on you are exactly right
Litteraly
Where do dogs come from? Easy. Dogs come from the back yard into the kitchen where they supervise cooking activities and perform quality assurance testing upon selected canine-safe foods.
Or anything that drops on the floor you’re to slow in picking up.
Clean up crew/garbage disposal, food tester, fertilizer production, alarm annunciation... Quite a multi-faceted creature!
Then they wander off to the living room and take the best spot on the couch. ("Bad Dogs.")
When my last dog died, I took it very stoically. I suppressed my feelings very successfully for about a week. One evening I was prepping ingredients for my supper and a piece of food fell on the floor..... and nothing came along to snap it up.... I burst into tears.
@@fletchoid Oh, honey. I know how that is. Shit. Just you mentioning it... You aren't alone in this. I miss my babies, and am about to lose my 13 year old Boston, who I see getting slower every day, losing his sight. But he's always here, by my side. I don't know if I can bear to have pets after him. It's too much after a while.
Our dog used to camp out in our bedroom and stare at the closet where my wife kept her fox fur. We thought it was crazy. Now we know it was sitting Shiva.
30 days
That's gold!!!
“If I’m bad boy, do I get worn around neck?”
9:20 So instead of the quick brown fox jumping over a lazy dog he decided to piss in his owner's coffee instead? What a legend.
Allegedly, lol. Thanks for reminding me of my typing teacher, Mr. Tamagini" stop looking at your hands ". Positive vibes from New Hampshire and remember to be kind to each other and yourself
Cool name. 😎
A bit like cats, cats works as they are small, an cat scaled up to an large dog would be dangerous
On the other hand taking your fox for an walk would draw attention :)
Not to be a pain, but the expression is actually “the quick red fox jumped over the lazy brown dog”. That particular expression is used as a teaching tool in typing because it uses every letter in the alphabet. Though I’m too lazy to figure out if the expression you used also meets the criteria lmao
That anecdote aside, well played sir 😆
Man I remember seeing a video a while back explaining how canids have something unique about their genetics, I forget if it was their mitochondria or rna or whatever exactly, but it allows them to express new traits much quicker than most other creatures, which explained why dogs comes in so many different sizes and shapes while cats are all very similar, at least comparably, I was hoping this video would touch on that.
I don't remember where it was published but there was an article proposing that dogs and humans domesticated each other...and that the relationship actually goes back somewhere in the 30 to 40k year range. Humans learned cooperative hunting strategies from wolves and wolves gained an alliance with ranged weapons.
No idea how accurate it is...however it makes sense on a few levels.
Where do they really come from? Usually from a friend, who found him on Craigslist, because someone had puppies out in the Central Valley.
Wtf dude I was just looking at a dog meme about how the wolf went for some scraps at a campfire and then 10k years later you see weiner dogs in knit sweaters.
lol, I saw that picture a few days ago.
Great photo.
To be fair it was bacon.
I'm not sure I understand how the fact that the original foxes coming from PEI negates the entire experiment. You can argue it affects any conclusions that comes about how quickly a domestication event could occur but the basic premise, that you can select for domestication, remains.
Precisely.
I was thinking the same thing!
Simon, as you said; PEI was already breeding for friendlier fox. He just unknowingly carried on with what PEI was already doing just trying to put metrics to it. I would say it validated the Russian experiment.
@@calsgonefishing5812 You are all missing the point of the theory. The theory was that specific physical changes followed breeding for friendliness, and that no matter what you breed, you will always see these results if you breed for friendliness. The issue was that all their data was based on animals that were already domesticated. If you start with a pool of inbreed subjects selected specifically with that purpose, then you have already limited the genetic pool so much that you are going so see those features become more prominent. It helped show that it is very likely that wolves were able to begin the process of domestication themselves, but as a whole it fell through because the data couldn't show these effects happening to none domesticate animals. Most likely the reason domesticated animals look like they do, is because we picked a small sample of a species and inbred it to hell and back. If we had picked a different sample at random, we would still be asking the same questions but the specifics of the fur or the shape would be different.
Yeah the only part that it ruins for the data is how many generations it takes for the domestication genes to occur.
With it already happening on the farm unintentionally, its hard to record.
can we get a video about maritime measurements? knots, fathoms, nautical
miles, leagues and any other measurements specific to the maritime
trades?
Great suggestion.
Knots come from the knots tied into the log line; the log being a floating bit of wood thrown into the water behind a ship to see how fast the ship would leave it behind. Later they were codified into nautical miles per hour, where a nautical mile is some fraction of the distance between meridians at the equator. Is it one minute of longitude? One second? I don't remember.
@@joshbobst1629 Naah bro. No good. I need it in an Enhlish accent.
@@joshbobst1629 One minute of latitude (60NM per degree). Doesn't actually work perfectly because of the ellipsoid shape of the globe - but on average it works fine (5,400 NM from Equator to pole).
@@jojodancer1743 justread it in an English accent you doughnut
How about in the beginning wolves "domesticated themselves" by learning how to live around humans, then when humans moved, some wolves were taken with them resulting in a founder effect and domestication syndrome?
he covers that about midway in.
good thing Belyayev also did the same experiments with wild rats breeding them for both tameness and agression (which still exist and used today for research)
the foxes were a nice human piece but the rat experiment is the much more scientific one
Dogs had 1000s of years to evolve naturally. The fox expirement was hampered that they were trying to fast track evolution so chances of evolving wild animals into fully domesticated animals in 30-40 years is a wildly over optimistic. But it’s still a valid experiment to see how quickly behaviours and attributes can changes with outside influences.
Yeah, it's pretty wild that they were starting to get the floppy ears, curly tails, and inconsistent colouring, what, something like only five generations in?! Crazy!! :D
I tell my chihuahua, all the time, how he's descended from the mighty wolf. I think it's important to nourish his self esteem. 💗☺
Lol too cute
Hopefully he just doesn't get a giant ego
@@cattibingo Chihuahuas are born with it
If there's one thing a chihuahua doesn't need, it's a boost to his/her ego. they already think they are a cross between God and Buck from Jack London's "Call From the Wild".
Is he dangerous?
"Walking reservoirs of emergency meat."
And thus we discovered the origin of the phrase "Reservoir Dogs."
Gonna have to bring this to the attention of Quinton Terintino somehow.
Not so much of an emergency in China
You do not want to read about the uses of dogs in Amundsen's Antarctic expedition....
Dog liver can easily kill you.
Reservoir "dogs" are actually large rats found in and around reservoirs and has become slang for undercover cops or snitches.
Where did dogs really come from?
They all come from goodness, they're all good doggos. Do your research Simon!
Except 38% of Chihuahuas
Chihuahuas are the result of escaped Nazi scientists crossing rats with piranhas.
Allegedly
@@jimcappa6815 that explains it. Thanks. Positive vibes from New Hampshire and remember to be kind to each other and yourself
Both dark child and Floyd - you’re both soooo right ! 🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺
@@gamemakeral3907 38%? You are very generous.
So the wolves selectively bred themselves to become domesticated, effectively. The ones who were more successful at scavenging on the human fringes, were more likely to survive. Thus, the ones that followed their parents' example were successful, etc.
Exactly. Though the video is basically a 15-minute 'we don't know', with no solid answers, this is the most likely explanation IMO. Wolves are noticeably one of the most intelligent animal species; they communicate, have different roles, are social and have hierarchical structure to their pack, and hunt in an organised, planned and efficient way. In other words they're smart enough to know, treat the humans nice, and they'll feed you. In the wild today, wolves actually go out of their way to avoid humans. There have only been TWO cases of fatal wolf attacks on humans. They generally see that getting in our way is not a good idea. So why they would have voluntarily spent so much time around early humans to the point of becoming domesticated, is genuinely baffling. I think it must have been a case of a very small number of wolves, perhaps outcasts from the pack for being too old, weak/ diseased, basically a liability to the success of hunts, would cosy up to a human settlement where the food waste was being thrown out, and scavenged off the leftovers and parts inedible to us. Gradually by not posing as a threat they learnt this was how to get free food whereas they probably would have been left to die by the pack (survival of the fittest, in nature an extra mouth to feed that cannot pull its weight, is far more likely to be left behind; this also ensures that the most successful genes get carried on) and eventually over time these tame wolves became dogs. Any wildlife expert will tell you wolves cannot be treated in any way like a dog. You can't just go and cuddle and pet a wolf. It'll avoid you, then it'll just attack you if if feels threatened. Probably these early wolf/dogs were then taken in by the tribe of hunter-gatherers as pets, as they seemed to be totally reliant on the humans for food, and weren't considered dangerous for that reason. Once they proved to be tame enough, they were brought on hunts to make use of their far superior senses and instincts. Then man and wolf start hunting together. Man starts selectively breeding certain traits, and then you have dogs. There you have it. That's my theory anyway
@@J3diMindTrix
I suspect that wolves' avoidance of humans increased with each advance in human weaponry.
"...the fox peed in my coffee cup..." Sounds more like a cat than a dog.
There is a joke that goes around.
Foxes: Dog hardware, Cat software
Foxes are genius. They look like good boys, but are actually diabolical little shitheads
@@cattibingo Fox have different personalities just as dogs do. And it varies as the kind of Fox too.
My mom owned a wildlife sanctuary. We rehabbed many of them.
@@cattibingo ...still want one. fuck border policy. I can understand strict ownership laws, but outright saying you can't have one, that is 80% as smart as a cat/dog those hardasses better have a WAY better reason! (like super rabies level good reason)
@@tommytomthms5 That's how you wind up with Cane Toads taking over.
I'm from Summerside, Prince Edward Island! It's nice to hear our Fox Museum get props. The Island also has a College of Piping, which teaches bagpipes and various other forms of music and dance from both Scottish and Irish traditions. I was a member of a rock band, and our drummer lived in an apartment above the College with a piping student from Scotland. Yes, a Scottish student travelled to eastern Canada to learn the bagpipes, that's the kind of reputation the College has in the world of the Celtic arts. Oh, PEI is also home to a handful of world-class golf courses, some if which have hosted international tournaments.
It's a heck of a province considering most Americans (and, sadly, many Canadians) don't even know it exists.
Psst, I think the Scots travel to eastern Canada for the whiskey and curling. Bagpipes are just the excuse.
I did a paper on the evolution/domestication of dogs in college for a genomics class! It was the most enjoyable research paper I ever did. So many cute dogs included as example pictures haha
On a side note, Simon, I think you'd be perfect to assume David Attenborough's role as Britain's voice for the planet...
Your research team, writers, and of course, you yourself, carry a weight of integrity in your presentations that match Sir David's with ease and I often find myself asking questions during one of your videos only to have it answered momentarily!
Keep up your good work and I'm really glad you've found a forum for your amazing talents! You CAN go bigger though and bring all of that precision and accuracy to bigger projects and YES!!!! even a Knighthood! ;-)
Dream big, man!!! You're very good and worth it!
Theory: Dogs are actually our alien overlords. When mine starts paying my bills and cleaning up after me, I may be convinced otherwise.
We think that dogs don't speak but they're actually woofing in a highly advanced language our minds can't process
In other words, people like agreeable, harmless creatures as a pet. So, dogs evolve so. People also like others humans to be agreeable and harmless, so entire human species evolve in that direction. So, the future of human is going to be more and more like dogs: agreeable, and harmless. But "agreeable + harmless = useless". I would rather humans are more like wolves than dogs if I have to choose. This is profound philosophical lesson. Think of todays pussy generation, it didn't come out of nowhere.
That's a dumb theory, cause everyone know that it's Cats are alien overlords. Those little assholes know exactly what they are doing at 3:00am in the morning.
@@DeOneTrueSage - so Earth is the site of their final battle over galaxy dominance?
@@seanleith5312 - bad human, no biscuit for you!
Too appropriate... intro ad, for dog food: "All dogs come from wolves..."
Same 🤣
you got that ad too, eh? lol
It's on purpose. It aint a coincidence
Ads are personalized so I didn’t see that one I got att phone advertisement
Same
I used to breed betta splendens but we would breed for aggression instead of tameness. A tame betta fish was a problematic one because in betta shows tame betta wouldn’t express its color and vigor in front of judges and tame betta is also difficult to spawn in which aggression is needed.
Additional terms for male foxes I've heard: tod and occasionally, dog.
Though these are usually used in fictional settings.
I first encountered the term "todd hunting" at age 10 and, even knowing the definition, responded with anxiety. Learning that "Tod" is German for "death", however, made me giggle.
Wait that's why his name was Todd.. that makes that movie 10X better. Lol
The fact that they had already started selecting for similar traits on the farm doesn't disprove the Russian work. They just sped up the process in Russia and made it more rigorous. Even if the Russians took the friendliest foxes off the farm, that would just act as the first generation of their study. Each generation of the Russian experiment was an extreme founder population event. Of course that can lead to inbreeding problems if the population is too small or too closely related at the beginning.
Always such fascinating stories, thanks Simon
i was just thinking about this subject just a week ago. Incredibly interesting
Woof woof woof! No, I meant "Wolf wolf wolf!" I guess I was barking up the wrong tree.
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@@gonefishing167 No such thing as bad press, son!
You absolute legend 😂
@@rundata When you've got it, FLAUNT IT!
All this outstanding research on foxes and I still have yet to understand "What does the fox say?"
Awesome job. Thank you.
I don't know where they come from, I just know that they all go to heaven.
Pffft where did you get that idea from a movie?
YUP...EACH AND EVERY ONE...
@Fisher Man it.wasnt the dogs.FAULT...it.was the humans who did that...AND PUT IT WHERE IT COULD.GET AT U....i.saved a.staving puppy the vet said put her down...she.was.maybe 6 weeks OLD..i hand fed her for 36 hours atraight then nspped by her.for five.weeks. .she .ate rocks and sticks to keep from the PAIN OF starving...which 99.9 percent of americans have.never.really had TRUE STARVATION and dont know.THE PAIN
AND LIFE.CHANGING IF U LUCKILY DONT STARVE.TO.DEATH
She is a "bad dog" around other animals....and because.of her MAJOR.FOOD OBSESSION..which she finally.doesnt have with me...i dont let her near others...2 locked doors at all times....she is..well brain damaged....not NORMAL..maybe i should.of out her down...idk...but i dont let her near others...we go for walks ect in our LARGE YARD..she plays frizbee...likes to.swim...i just wish she.could of been a pack dog..she.WAS...UNTIL THE PACK LEADER GAVE IT UP DUE TO AGE...THATS .WHEN CRAZY REALLY BEGAN...SHE TOLERATED A BIG YELLOW LAB MALE...BUT HE WAS TERRIFIED OF HER...
NOW im down to just 2 dogs..but 2 seperate areas...in 2 seperate houses...
Its a.hassle...and i would love to of ended my life with a.cute.cuddle standard poodle mix and German short hair but im now WAY too old to take a chance they will out live me.
Ive only EVER bought one dog...all have been rescued ...maybe i will find some old ones to help...and be pals with...but insure would love a puppy again...oh well.
I’m sure all people don’t.... not so sure about myself. but if do is sure hope all my dogs are there
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They came from heaven, as they are little angels 🐾 ♥
I love that,little angels but some are big angels?
@@christopherhines2718 of course :D
Accurate
I mean sure, if heaven was real.
@@aarons6935 Beat me to it. I wonder why god sent a human version of himself down rather than any other animal in the world! OH I FORGOT! God and Jesus was made up by people
I'm surprised this wasn't riddled with Simon saying what he really think about dogs. I wonder if this is like when he is making videos about sports people, or lord of the rings.
Have you not watched the TIFO about LOTR? Not a bad word about it. Later on BB I did a video shout LOTR on my other channel. I didn't look up a single pronunciation it drove people mad. I refuse to watch it. 😂😂😂😂. Not a direct quote but it's what he said
Excellent vid - thank you for a highly informative 15 mins 👍
Love your program ❤️❤️❤️
Foxes: Dog hardware, Cat software. Good luck training a cat.
my cat bambam is about 45% trained. he sits on my lap and we watch these videos together but when he wants something, cats are stubborn.
@@tommytomthms5 Your cat isn't trained. You are.
I've seen cats that play fetch. I've seen foxes that are walked on a lead and do tricks.
Don't think it counts as 'training' as such, at university there was a fox that would approach students and sit in front of them (always at least a metre away) and seemed to beg for food. I guess he learned it was easier than raiding bins or hunting.
That's also basenji's. They're the oldest living dog breed - record go back to the ancient Egyptians and even before that as they were gifts from African Congo tribesmen to Pharoah.
Basenji's are even categorized as proto-dogs at times. And yes, they are cats in a dog's body, and they're amazing.
I love my 2 basenji's and could talk basenji stuff all day. If you don't know what a basenji is, YT is your friend. But imagine a small, sleek, curly tailed dingo and you're not far off.
1:55 After keeping humans company, wolves got dumber! It figures
No I'm....doesn't
@@supersaiyanzero386 proving their point
@@supersaiyanzero386 😂🤣yep
@@cattibingo It's a Futurama reference. Next time, Google.
Or did they? ;)
Of all the Simon channels, this one has the best writing by far!
Hey! Danny’s the man and I will fight for his elevator dreams.
Thank you I have wondering about this for awhile.
Have you done a video yet about the seeming trend in elephant populations to be born without tusks? Some are saying that it's a direct result of poaching -- elephants without tusks are more likely to survive.
Seems to be a result of accidental selection. Genetics for large tusks are being removed from the gene pool. Otherwise rare mutations that would result in smaller or no tusks are increasingly bred into the gene pool, resulting in more individuals with smaller or no tusks.
This reminded me another phenomenon called Vavilovian Mimicry, wherein a weedy plant will begin to resemble a crop plant. This occurs, it is thought, because in the process of hand weeding a field any plant that resembles the crop is left to grow. Repeated over and over this results in weeds that look like crop plants. Rye was likely first domesticated this way.
Makes sense, can you give a pointer to more infornation; its super interesting to see evolution at work
"But what do they call a male fox?"
I dunno...Fantastic Mr. Fox?
Great beard Simon! Good info too btw!
Great vid!!!
And then there's the breeds who show signs of having chased too many parked cars----I'm looking at YOU, pekes, pugs, boxers and bulldogs!
@I only use this account when I get put in time out , well at least they have good taste!
@I only use this account when I get put in time out , true, but I wouldn't call them "fatties". They love to run.
@I only use this account when I get put in time out dalmatian omg, they were bred into Satan on app 4s
Inbreeding
And what do you mean BOXERS
Don't be talking sh!t on my dudes, boxers are amazing!
(Sorry haddem all my life growing up)
🎶"All the Canine Quadropeds, where do they all come from"🎶
What I'm curious about, is, How do you call, a dog, with no legs? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
I have found out, through bitter experience, that the domesticated dogs carry up to 40 different enzymes in their saliva, where it is known that the wolf only has one enzyme in its saliva. This is why some Fragile Asthmatics are way more allergic to dogs that the non-Asthmatic. A common pooch's saliva will cause an instant reaction on an Exzyma Suffers skin. Cats have fewer enzymes in their saliva too but with their rough tongues, they can exacerbate Asthma and Exzyma as well. It's best the Asthmatics avoid any animal that licks itself clean. There are other variables but removing a pet and cleaning the Asthmatics bedroom, regular clean bedding and such, will make a big difference to the Asthmatics life.
I know because I have been there.
Basically., dogs are disgusting!
Some of your most engaging content. Liked and shared.
thanks for growing my brain a little bit today
The term ‘Mans best friend’ is so very, very true.
Not my best friend. I prefer human beings!
Good video 👍
That beautiful painting.
Let's see today's question: "Dear Simon, where did dogs really come from?"
Heaven. Next question. 🐶
Oh my God. I'm totally gonna start calling mice mickies
Love your videos but damn... my tv is almost on max to for the audio compared to other UA-cam videos or regular TV.
Loved this episode! Where's the cat's episode? and one with a completion of other important domesticated animals like horses?
It’s always nice to see a French word with a silly origin.
Esp when I cannot pronounce the word and I am considered classless for not able to talk french word
The dogs have spent centuries training humans. They've done well.
& SOON….they will RISE UP & Awaken to their original “Wolf like” ways once we give ourselves FULLY to them…then they will attack us & destroy us for what we once thought they were!
Oh no they haven't. Take a look at our politicians today, that's all you need to do
Either they've done a shit job, or they weren't trying to begin with, we need *far* more training and coaching, to even begin to be able to be worthy or capable of looking after this planet - until then, maybe we should just let the animals handle it, they don't seem to have any of the problems we do
You're thinking of cats.
@@J3diMindTrix For themselves....
@@JonSmith-hk1bq Both I'd say, but cats are more independent. Dogs like lots of attention and a human to pick up after them. Cats just humiliate us by pushing everything over to show their contempt for us picking up after dogs.....
Good lord, you do it too.
Really interesting about the pre history of the experiment, however, the biggest thing I got from this was hearing you pronounce the word "transplant".
I was taught the English pronunciation of (spelt phonetically here for understanding) trarnsplarnt.
Growing up in Australia I noticed they used the American version of traansplaant.
In New Zealand, it later amused me to hear a mix of the two versions, as if they were sitting on the fence as to which version to use, the British variant, or the USA one. Hence hearing Traansplarnt. I am gobsmacked to hear you pronounce the word in just the same way the Kiwi's do!!
thats funny you posted this as i was thinking about where dogs came from and how we have identified them over the years last night
They came from heaven of course! Sent by a merciful god to make life on earth bearable for humans. And give them something to look forward to in the afterlife.
Is your life really that bad?
So the Belyaev group were all decedent from an already begun domestication process on PEI, and without introduction of outside genes, became more and more inbred. Physiological changes were compressed into a much shorter period of time. (I have yet to find any documentation on health issues caused by inbreeding in the closed Belyaev fox population. I think there must have been some.) I don't think this eliminates Belyaev's hypothesis, since the PEI group had a larger, less isolated gene pool to draw from and thus kept the original melinated fox traits. The PEI group was breeding for fur, so the consistency of coat type would have been key to their breeding program. Belyaev disregarded keeping coat color, and so allowed other traits to become common in their closed population. I'm a retired dog trainer. We fix what humans manage to mess up in their pets by treating them as furry humans. For our own dogs, we tend to choose from stock that can still do the job they were originally bred for, ie herding, hunting, guarding, etc, with the occasional mutant toy thrown in as an experiment in treating a selectively bred mutant as a training challenge. So, when humans and wolves began interacting beyond predator/prey, and began a cooperative means of survival, our long past ancestors would not have been concerned about changes in coat color, ear or tail set, or even size (though smaller size would have been a survival disadvantage). Population isolation began when human populations moved and took their proto-dogs with them. But at that time, selective breeding would not have been included in the cooperative human/proto-dog population. In fact, reintroduction of wild canid genes would have been frequent. And then there is the theory that these ancient wolf population domesticated us, by learning cooperative hunting got them a higher kill rate and better access to food, so we also benefited, didn't mind sharing, and didn't kill them outright.
There's a really fascinating situation happening in the wild with a tribe of baboons, I think it was, who were beginning to be cooperative with a bunch of Ethiopian wolves, who normally they'd avoid, as they hunt the baboons' offspring.
But the baboons congregate in fields to eat, and the fields contain mice that the wolves hunt, and the wolves have learned that if they leave the baboons alone, their presence seems to lull the mice into being less alert (because the baboons aren't sounding any warnings), making them easier to hunt. And the baboons have learned that if they tolerate the presence of these specific wolves, that they will keep any other wolves that happen by in line, and not let them hunt the baboons (because they're obviously realizing they've got a good thing going, and neither side wants to ruin it).
Some of their offspring are beginning to play together. The scientists observing it think they may basically be seeing the process of human/wolf domestication playing out again!
Here's an early article on it:
www.newscientist.com/article/dn27675-monkeys-cosy-alliance-with-wolves-looks-like-domestication/
I'm of the opinion that humans and the proto dogs domesticated each other.
The humans which tolerated them in close proximity gained almost an immediate advantage as an early warning system. It's actually a very short jump once the pups and kids playing together to being companions for hunting/defense (you can look at people who have raised wild animals to see examples)
People who tolerated the proto dogs did better, higher survival rate had more surviving offspring and more tolerant towards people also.
Time line assuming the 35000 year genetic information is correct it fits with the development of larger centers of population for humans.
There is a guy on YT named David Ian Howe a paleontologist who specializes in Ethnocynology, the study of dog/human co-evolution. Great content.
Just to put this out there for consideration - Cats retain their wild traits for the precise reason that we find it useful for us. By eating the animals we find pests, they make themselves useful to us. At that, we have exerted our one selection pressure on them. We encourage those that are friendly and want to spend time with us while chasing away those that are distrustful.
@ 5:28 an excellent hypothesis which can be tested. Much like my previous statement regarding cats. I currently belong to 5 cats that were born to a stray mother who came to me for help. When the kittens were weened, she left them with me. I do my best, but as I'm retired and on a limited budget, I can not give them the level of care they deserve.
@ 9:19 I have gotten to interact with wild animals. After those experiences, I would not want it any other way. Having a non domesticated animal trust you is a privilege I would not trade for anything. After all, there aren't too many people that can say they took their fish for a walk around the house. Mud skippers are awesome.
Ok so I was out on the deck in the morning drinking a coffee, turned around to get a smoke. Well what do you know took a sip of my coffee immediately I knew a fox pissed in my coffee. Foxes man.
0:10 I've never been comfortable with Pomeranian and Chihuahua. I had to get 8 stitches on my right abdomen because of some friggin insane Pom (who didn't have rabies) that just ran up and attacked me as a child. Seriously. Just playing with sidewalk chalk and this cotton ball runs up to me, teeth bared and bit me.
I also see more smaller breed dogs be way more vicious than large breeds by a long mile. It's shitty owner's really and they think it's cute when they're rat sized punk thinks it isn't capable of aggression.
My ex was an excellent dog trainer and took so much pride in their work. He always says, "The little ones are often 10x worse to train because they owner's excuse bad behavior instead of correcting the pooch.
Chihuahuas are arseholes and yorkies. Well, They can be.
Definately chihuahuas are arseholes
Also on the correcting dog thing ur ex said.
100% true. My ex gave our doggo her bowl of food and started traing her to not growl or be aggressive with food. When she so much as growled she took the food away. Gave back then took away the next day if she growled. I can give her food, a bone, a treat, open her mouth at any time and she doesnt nip or growl.
And yes, i got the dog after we broke up. If you can get anything after a break up, hope for the dog.
@@ericpeterson2960 I love small dogs. My favorite are miniature schnauzers and my family and ex raised 5 of them. They're friggin punks too if you don't train them early as they're known to be quite standoffish towards little children and are INCREDIBLY protective. They won't hurt you but they will make their presence known. They absolutely need socialization and thrive on it. 3/5 of my schnauzers were very vocal and despite years of training since she was 4 months old, she's now 10 and still hates everyone besides me and my ex. My little schnauzer Kavi loves people and other dog's. It's a personality thing I suppose
@@sjoauga4561 sister had a yorkie (maggie) that was one of the sweetest most adorable greatest doggo. When that doggo passed she got another yorkie that was the grant grand niece of maggie. That dog is it a bitch. Can be sweet but bites. She also has a great dane that is too friendly and loving and things is a lap dog but no.. just no. Good doggo though
Boston's though are a dream to train imo
Imagine putting so much of your life into an experiment only to discover it was flawed from the very first day.
Fascinating
For a while there I thought my Chuweenie puppy was from hell.
He is!
I used to work in a hotel. Once while in a room doing a repair I was petting this giant German Shepard. Except when I looked directly at the "dog" I realized it was a wolf. Yellow eyes, head shape, coat, and paws as big as a snow shoe. I asked the owner is this a wolf. He seemed surprised I noticed. Standing next to a full blood wolf becomes clear this isn't a dog.. Yeah and it was his "service dog too!"
Blink, blink, er okay,,,
Apparently he's a scientist and he breeds wolves and had them welp in his house. He said that by handling the puppies they come out of mom they became tame. I think he did the same thing with his experiment as the Russian. He already had a tame she wolf, and that slew the data.
Hi John, how are you doing. I hope you are safe and in good health. I'm Allyson from California, looking for a new friend and i saw your pic here. I hope you don't mind, thank you.
love this guy
"Man's First Friend" makes some good valid points, I've watched it in curiosity stream, dunno if its available anywhere else.
I'd only ever seen a male fox referred to as a "dog fox" and it's always "dog fox", whereas "vixen" stands alone.
The word for dog in English was originally the same as in the other Germanic languages, that is, "hound". And originally "dog" just meant a male hound (a female, of course, being a bitch). But over time, dog came to mean hounds of both sexes, male and female, while the word hound came to mean a specific kind of dog used in hunting. Hence why males of other canid species are sometimes called "dogs" such as the dog fox.
I was taught that a male fox is called a "tod."
@@lizardog - now you mention it, that does ring a bell, but I've seen "dog" more often; maybe "tod" is a regional word?
Dogs come from heaven ~
I legit was going to comment that. Nothing is original
@@ericpeterson2960 Don't be hinder by whatever it is considered "Original" or not, if it comes from yourself, then it's as good as it can be.
@@AlyssaMcNeil The internet culture we've cultivated won't allow it. I feel the same as you do though but people care for one reason or another.
Dogs *come* from heaven...not comes. Free English lesson.
@@robertmiller8529 you game straight from the Third, grammar.
PLEASE do a video on Lysenko!
You need to do a video on how you grew your beard. It is outstanding and with your knowledge of science and research it would be a popular video. Your fans would also get to know you better. Sounds crazy but would be interesting.
I feel like dogs were put on this planet to teach us how to treat others.
They must be so disappointed, by now...
Have you ever watched a vet show where owner after owner has brought their dog in because it got into a fight with another dog, sometimes with another of the owner’s dogs? The vet says “well, it’s a dog. Dogs fight.”
@@maggiegarber246
Dogs do fight, sometimes, it helps keep order and they never take things personal.
as in any ordered society there is a pecking order we as animals follow the same trait.
more so than the animal kingdom.
Dog lovers are the biggest human haters lol
I have a suggestion. "Why when a word ends with an "a" sound in British English, there's an invisible "r" sound added to the end." I'm genuinely curious.
'cause that's proper English
@@mufasa6272 proper English that underwent an accent change after the Americans left?
@@SenorNoire no, more like americans were always a bunch of foreigners together, all of them learning together english, but also leaving their own mark on the language, and ex brits subconsciously imitated some ways non English speaking foreigners pronounced words. Thats how the american accents were born.
@@alexandrutereify you obviously don’t understand what I was saying. British English underwent huge changes only a short while after those split from the crown. They wanted to sound like a higher class and it started to affect the way they spoke as a nation
@@SenorNoire ah you meant the "london accent". My apologies for the misinterpretation.
Exactly what I was thinking 😂😂 ty
"... walking reservoirs of emergency meat." 😅
Where do dogs come from? Dogs come from wolves. *Proceeds to talk about foxes for most of the video*😆
Dogs are awesome - true symbionts with humans.
Needy humans..lol.. I'm literally like a cat..since a kid dogs freak out when I'm near and every single cat I've ever met jumped in my lap or sat at my feet..its hella weird
@@shibbymccoy it's actually the opposite. Cat lovers are the needy ones. That's why there's an expression "cat lady" for lonely women who never landed a man.
Dog people are active people who wanna do more than just sit around the house.
Regardless, I like both animals
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@@stephenolder4552 Right, cat lovers are needy because they don't want the pet that's slavishly devoted to them.
@@stevenschnepp576 your just a server to a cat this goes all the way back to Egypt cats are royalty and dogs are soldiers
My dog is half Toy Fox and half Jack Russel...called the American Rat Terrier. being born and bred on the Whitehouse grounds, and also called a "Teddy Terrier" in the late 90s when you couldn't give a Chiwawa, until Paris Hilton, they mixed Chiwawa's with Toy Fox Terriers and called them Rat Terriers,that's why they look like Chiwawa's now, I got mine through the VA and she has pure bloodline, this is important because they charge up 7-8 grand for the pups and there not even real, and they are allowed to perform in the shows in the bloodline..
oh no a fox peed in my cup!
yeah well i've woke up to a cat peeing directly into my ear hole, so there's that.
0:20 Not true. New evidence suggests at least two origins of domesticated dogs.
I love the P.E.I part. There's so many foxes running around here it's hilarious. Even downtown in the main city there you'll see them running through the street hunting birds and stuff. And some of them do know to be nice with people for treats lol
I heard of the Russian study before but today I found out they Silver Foxes. I'd never heard of them existing outside Summerside. To quote Paul Harvey "Now you know the rest of the story".
Such an experiment would take centuries to make a conclusive scientific determination
When I found out about his research I thought it was amazingly interesting!
Well I might not know the origins of my rescue boxer Dexter, I can say his big brain has made him incredibly intelligent. A remarkable boy who understands a wide vocabulary of English words plus he is so dang handsome and loving. Simon, dogs and kids go hand and hand.
Awwe. So sweet:)
Foxes are funny creatures, part dog, part cat, all fluffy... :P
Great and ultra subtle use of the old paper overlay in EVERY shot. I also enjoyed that it is 100% still and never moves with the camera. Looks shockingly realistic this way.
Generally I think real old pictures should ALWAYS get the “let’s make it look even older” treatment by applying this phenomenal jpg. Keep up the pro work, you guys are killing it!
I can see Simon on his daily rant against dogs when he suddenly comes up with this idea for a video.
We all know that dogs are the result of very good boy proto-wolves evolving into most excellent furry friends.
In all seriousness though excellent quick breakdown that allowed me to answer my five year old niece's question about where my Rottweilers come from while I'm making dinner.
Amazing! You had me at the years of Russian experimentation and then BAM dropped me on my head with “the process had already been started by fur breeders the foxes were obtained from”. DAMNIT!!!!
That thumbnail is hilariously brilliant🤣😂😂😂
critical af, awesome!