Man, I grimaced when I saw you going point first! Damned impressive that the tip withstood such abuse. I'd really love to see some head-to-head comparisons in such abusive tests with other stainless steels, such as CPM154, S30V, N690, etc.
Damn impressive. Gotta say, so much depends on the geometry and heat treat, but that is some damn good steel. All those little dings will come out after a robust sharpening no problem for those concerned.
Toughest stainless I supposed. Most don't look to stainless for that sort of thing because hard use knives rarely see food, so ceramic coating is an option on a tool steel
NateAIM Hello. thanks for the good video. I Just started knife making/forging. I live in Norway so Elmax and Sleipner form Uddeholm is the main steel i can get. Sleipner is okay to temper but how can i temper the Elmax at home when it stands in the steel info that its should temper at 400 celsius. So if you can help me I will be very happy =)
@@NateAIM ok thank you for that, I heard from bladeforms that they stole your heat treatment numbers or something, and didn’t mention nothing about you.
3V with a heat treat developed for knives (Delta 3V) will outperform Elmax in most ways. Tougher, stronger, better edge stability. But it is not stainless, it is only somewhat stain resistant. And although 3V has good abrasive wear resistance Elmax is ever higher, though this does not really translate into edge retention better than 3V in most uses. Delta 3V is the better steel for hard users. Elmax is one of the best stainless steels.
Hmm, your description indicates 0.020" but you then measure it to be ~0.030" behind the edge, 20-dps, which is actually pretty standard for production knives and many can handle this same treatment with similarly ill effect. would you be willing to take the edge down to 15-dps and maybe 0.020" or less to demonstrate its durability?
Read and listen again. It was taken down to .020" before sharpening, then sharpened at 20 degree per side. This resulted in a little under .030 behind the edge. Makers frequently discuss geometry in terms of thickness before sharpening because this reflects how knives are actually produced and is a helpful measure of "thickness" because it is not a combination of edge thickness and edge angle (which would otherwise make a more acute edge "measure" thicker as it intersects higher up the primary bevels). I can see how that might be confusing. Yes, this edge thickness and sharpening angle are common dimensions for many production knives. However they are unusually thin for a rough use tactical knife that will tolerate this kind of rough use. Which is the point of the video, to illustrate the unusual toughness of Elmax. 15 degrees per side and .020 behind the cutting edge is common for a thinner knife such as a skinning knife. I go as thin as .010" and 13 per side on skinning knives. But that's not what this knife or demonstration is about. Your statement "many can handle this same treatment with similarly ill effect" goes against a considerable body of knowledge and experience. Can you give any examples of a relatively thin and hard stainless steel knife, particularly one with a large carbide volume fraction, that will tolerate this kind of impact into this kind of media without major chipping or breaking? This is a 20%+ carbide stainless steel at HRC 60 without thick fat geometry that was hammered through a cinderblock without any major damage. Can you cite any example of any other high carbide stainless steel that can do that?
+NateAIM I'm sharpening my ZT 0566 with the Spyderco Sharpmaker and the knife isn't sharp enough (can't shave), is it worth buying the ultra fine stones? Should I use the 30° side instead of the 40°?
When you looking through the Elmax edits and find this😳
Man, I grimaced when I saw you going point first! Damned impressive that the tip withstood such abuse. I'd really love to see some head-to-head comparisons in such abusive tests with other stainless steels, such as CPM154, S30V, N690, etc.
I too would like to see this.......ruin all your knifes for us, please
Thanks for sharing the knowledge especially the heat issue when grinding Elmax.
That hurts to watch
Yes, that felt a bit painful to watch. Tough knife. I want elmax now
thanks man,,im looking into getting an elmax steel knife,and you have made my decision easy,,,
Damn impressive. Gotta say, so much depends on the geometry and heat treat, but that is some damn good steel. All those little dings will come out after a robust sharpening no problem for those concerned.
Toughest stainless I supposed. Most don't look to stainless for that sort of thing because hard use knives rarely see food, so ceramic coating is an option on a tool steel
Hard use knives rarely see food.....wtf
Having a knife left is impressive after a test like that, let alone that it took very little damage
*suddenly feels much better about using my elmax fixed blades for chopping and batonning*
I read Elmax and thought stranger things
Bro same
mans really predicted stranger things
Me too
What is the knife?
Should I try this with my Ultratech?
That 2k$ knife?
Yes
NateAIM Hello. thanks for the good video. I Just started knife making/forging. I live in Norway so Elmax and Sleipner form Uddeholm is the main steel i can get. Sleipner is okay to temper but how can i temper the Elmax at home when it stands in the steel info that its should temper at 400 celsius. So if you can help me I will be very happy =)
Holy crap, that's nuts! I cannot believe the durability of that steel. What could be better?
@Tommy Hammernots lol
M390 and 20cv
110sv cpm
Vanax has about the same toughness and edge retention, but is 100% completely stainproof.
@@finalbossd actually its tougher than Elmax
How is the lateral strength on Elmax?
love yr tests but I'm more interested in lateral pressure
got some side flex in this one: ua-cam.com/video/yC2PLk_04vE/v-deo.html
I have an Elmax custom 6" knife in the pipe line, just have to endure the wait :)
I got a question are you having issues with elmax after you sharpen it cuz mine's it seems to chip a lot???
Can elmax be sharpened with standard stones ?
It can. Not ideal but it works.
Good video I alway wanted Elmax blade but I'm afraid I won't be able to sharpen it good .
I can tell by the clothes this was filmed around 1983
Is it true GSO stole your heat treatment?
no
@@NateAIM ok thank you for that, I heard from bladeforms that they stole your heat treatment numbers or something, and didn’t mention nothing about you.
Great Vid...thanks Nathan
AVigil
If I didn't see it myself I'd say it's unbelievable. How would the 3v version of this same knife do with these tests?
3V with a heat treat developed for knives (Delta 3V) will outperform Elmax in most ways. Tougher, stronger, better edge stability. But it is not stainless, it is only somewhat stain resistant. And although 3V has good abrasive wear resistance Elmax is ever higher, though this does not really translate into edge retention better than 3V in most uses. Delta 3V is the better steel for hard users. Elmax is one of the best stainless steels.
@@NateAIM thanks boss. Your knives are impressive to say the least. Hope to own one some day 👍
Hmm, your description indicates 0.020" but you then measure it to be ~0.030" behind the edge, 20-dps, which is actually pretty standard for production knives and many can handle this same treatment with similarly ill effect. would you be willing to take the edge down to 15-dps and maybe 0.020" or less to demonstrate its durability?
Read and listen again.
It was taken down to .020" before sharpening, then sharpened at 20 degree per side. This resulted in a little under .030 behind the edge. Makers frequently discuss geometry in terms of thickness before sharpening because this reflects how knives are actually produced and is a helpful measure of "thickness" because it is not a combination of edge thickness and edge angle (which would otherwise make a more acute edge "measure" thicker as it intersects higher up the primary bevels). I can see how that might be confusing.
Yes, this edge thickness and sharpening angle are common dimensions for many production knives. However they are unusually thin for a rough use tactical knife that will tolerate this kind of rough use. Which is the point of the video, to illustrate the unusual toughness of Elmax.
15 degrees per side and .020 behind the cutting edge is common for a thinner knife such as a skinning knife. I go as thin as .010" and 13 per side on skinning knives. But that's not what this knife or demonstration is about.
Your statement "many can handle this same treatment with similarly ill effect" goes against a considerable body of knowledge and experience. Can you give any examples of a relatively thin and hard stainless steel knife, particularly one with a large carbide volume fraction, that will tolerate this kind of impact into this kind of media without major chipping or breaking?
This is a 20%+ carbide stainless steel at HRC 60 without thick fat geometry that was hammered through a cinderblock without any major damage. Can you cite any example of any other high carbide stainless steel that can do that?
+NateAIM
I'm sharpening my ZT 0566 with the Spyderco
Sharpmaker and the knife isn't sharp enough (can't shave), is it worth buying
the ultra fine stones? Should I use the 30° side instead of the 40°?
elmax stranger things
Is this better than 440 c?
by miles. s30 s35 and elmax are super steels
I’m a believer
Anyone else cringe when he hit the knife on the block? 😢
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Hrc ?
oguz kan 60 HRC.
Excali-Knife
Couldn't help but cringe watching that.
awsome video lol ty
Jesus used this knife material to kill evil in heaven and earth
Omg
Cringe worthy
meh :D