. . The fact that you guys have managed to fool so many of the naive is commendable. I guess. However, you laid it on a bit thick in the first few sentences by using multiple words out of context. In regards to the science of mental health, this is obviously not your highway. In light of this, I support taking your taking your stigma and driving it up your shady spot.
This video perfectly articulates the very real fear I have of never becoming "something", never achieving my dreams; the fear of simply existing, constantly having to reevaluate myself, recreate myself like I'm a fucking product or commodity or something. The burnout is real, man.
Thats it! Thats why I'm scared of success. Because if I succeed it means I can do better, and if I can do better that means I must become better. And If I must become better that means I am not good enough as is. That I must always strive for greatness, for if I don't im not "achieving my full potential". Thanks for your words which helped me understand myself a bit more! Your talking about the fear of failure and Im about the fear of success, but the way I see it, fear of success is actually fear of failure with more steps.
@@redlorax5380 Just do you and if you happen to become successful, just treat it for what it is: a blessing, while keeping knowledge in mind that success is fleeting. Don't fear becoming a nobody again after success, or you will become part of the rat race.
please remember that its something that's going through you, you're not going through depression and its not your fault.depression is a natural state and like all natural states it will end. I hope you can find some solace in the little things of your daily life
I think either you are as natural as depression or you are as unnatural as your depression. I lean toward the latter considering how PlasticPills links depressive states to a society which demands production (production which we are alienated from, even if *we* make art or craft for *ourselves* as an attempt to regain what we lost in childhood. This is the mind-blowing anti-Marxist bit 🤯 is it not? Though Marx would respond that in Utopia you never would have lost anything in childhood. But problem is *we* already have. Anyway.). Depression comes from a kind of self-alienation, which, while not caused by you, only you can hope to listen to what your body and your heart has to say about it - all those things that the depressed person actively rejects, perhaps. Professionals are good at teasing out suppressed and repressed thoughts and personality traits.
@@rabbyssi4392 don't you think you can be both as natural as depression and unnatural as depression?primordial-existential or clinical/major depression + situational and societal depression....
@Caedmon Kline saying that ignores the very real every day factors that go into depression however. modern science on the topic recognizes that saying that people have chemical imbalances is like telling someone their brain is broken when in reality its something in their life or about their life causing the underlying issue. that's not to say that chemicals have nothing too do with it or cannot help but blaming neurochemistry is a reductive and ultimately harmful way of looking at mental health issues.
@Caedmon Kline @Caedmon Kline It's goes without saying that depression is neurologically instantiated, but this, by itself, doesn't sufficiently explain depression. Maybe some people have brains that irrevocably cause depression regardless of their life circumstances and environment, but these cases, if they even exist would be the exception (and we don't know if they do exist since it's impossible to disentangle what we're calling neurological/chemical from the social and psychological domains of discourse). Depression has social and psychological causes and remedies and so its explanation must not leave that out. Also, depression is only helped when the depressed person has easily accessible means of explaining away their depression so as to excuse themselves from making any changes. "Maybe I'm just permanently chemically imbalanced" is a modern analogue of "maybe I'm destined to suffer". If you're a depressed person, you need extraordinary evidence to argue that you yourself have such a brain: a brain that is innately and essentially depressed regardless of how your life played out. As the other commenter brilliantly pointed out, taking "chemical imbalance" to be a sufficient explanation is an example of harmful reductionism.
excellent video. describes why some of the most beautiful and profound works of art come from depressives and manic-depressives in that they somehow give form to this ghost that always haunts you and seem to finally articulate this vague Thing that is so transiently grasped, only to inevitably slip away, powering a compulsive need to reattempt its capture, again and again.
The Kristeva quotes are deeply, deeply moving. As someone who is working on his debut novel and had to burn a lot of bridges to make that happen this piece is both painful and amazing. As all art tends to be, really. I became a fan of the channel not too long ago and I have binged on the content. You're doing great work here my man, keep it up! Massive hug all the way from Venezuela.
This is a fantastic video! I had to share it with my other depressed friends. I had a sneaking suspicion that my depression and burnouts were due to always being expected to be a miracle child solving all the world's problems, but seeing this made it so much clearer that it was simply the overproducitvity of society (which we live in, lol). Always being expected to not do nothing has really be a burden all my life. So I want to say thank you for illustrating this clearly for me to understand better
I think with the late capitalism we’re entering, this breed of crippling depression is particularly intense among millennials and “zoomers” ( i hsve sn 18 yo little sister I’m close to so I’m caught up on what the kiddos are doing these days and it seems so much of their subcultures and shared experience is entirely rooted in some type of self deprivation. Like when I was an emo kid loser in HS, I wanted depression and mental health to be something we could be open about snd not judge one another for, but this is not what I meant ;c). Ironically, I’m now a therapist. I was in therapy for ten years and I loved my therapist dearly and learned so much from her but she could never accurately understand my depression and anxiety. She compared her experience to mine I guess- she could pay her tuition working at nice bars over the summer bevsuse her tuition was like under 4K. I am one level below her now (LSW getting I soon tho). I am 70k in debt roughly thanks to APRs and I had a few grants and scholarships too. She equated my avoidance and fear of doing things on my own/confronting authority to “not being able to go into problem solving mode”. Not trying to brag but I help people solve problems and work through the same distress daily. I can, but the fear of the unknown or knowing how fragile and useless my work snd oresenve is, that’s what made me terrified to check my email for dsys after knowing I missed a class, or barely have the energy to apply to jobs snd make a schedule. It was more implicit but now being a social worker and therapist I’m pretty sure as a human and based on the things she shared over time i don’t think she understood the profound exhaustion and lingering fear and sense of something being off. That’s why I ditched. Psych for SW tho. Because I also have found motivation in organizing and working with activists and creating material change. I prefer the light trauma fatigue because that does give me energy and life
This is profound. I think it just saved my life, for the moment. I’m going to start writing. I have so many metaphors and images come to me in heavy emotions. I think depressed and manic people are tapped into something deep and enlightening. This spoke a language I understand and was beautifully put together. Nice tone of voice, too. Not a depressing tone. Thank you 🦋🙏🏼🦋
Sometimes I can't tell where my desire is coming from. If I want to work on a project that I'm excited about, is it because I want to see it for myself, or is it because I'm trying to advance myself career wise and pimp it out for social media points? Sometimes I do get started on something I earnestly felt excited to try, but then I had to make it all about me and my perfectionism and it just becomes a metaphor about how I can't control my life and then by the time I'm done I'm so exhausted I hate it.
ouch, feel very close. i sometimes start to write something just to feel this "idle artistry" ending up freezing in thoughts about improving my english or narrative skills and so on. contrary I remember i've spent 6 hours doing a simple mod in skyrim just for my self. it felt great. doing it i had a background thought that i will never be a gamedev or a real modder with projects of historical impact on the skyrim community. just my crappy mod and dosens of random trial-and-fail twicks. guess here is the key - truly be idle amature, non-valuable. not all the time, but to feel relief from the depression.
I usually don't comment on youtube videos, but man...this video is precious. It feels and looks beautiful. The edition completely resonates with the content. Great work!
This one struck home quite a bit. Thank you for making it and making me want to read Kristeva, which I hesitated to open. The trick of the invisible lens showing the underlying (ideological?) positive injunctions, presented as (negative) freedoms is brilliant. It's really striking and it gives me the impression that it's what critical theory feels like. Again thank you for articulating things that I myself struggle with formulating. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think this is why I started getting into Fisher, D&G (even Zizek in some way, though I tend to feel confused by his thought most of the time). Once I get some of my shit together I'll start supporting you on Patreon
Brilliant as always, and a long time sufferer of MDD, I have to say it hit pretty hard. Thank you for existing, Pills. Your channel and podcast have really helped me get through this past year.
This is very interesting and probably your most artistic video yet. As an artist who also suffers from Major Depression there’s a lot to connect with here...particularly the compulsory nature of creating art. I’ve actually identified the drive to create art as “not a job” but “a compulsion” in one of my plays and contrast it with market driven activity so that part rang very true, as did the connection with Sysifus. I’m not sure who any of these people you’re citing are but their perspectives on depression are very interesting. For me Depression manifests as a weight on me, that becomes such a large part of my internal world that I forget it’s even there and cannot imagine a world where I’m not Depressed. When it lifts I can’t imagine how I ever got through it...whereas it’s twin/flip side of Anxiety seems to take the form of a burning coal in my chest, located just above my heart. I’m not surprised that this condition has been historically associated with Genius...considering how many creative people have to endure it and how “high achievement” behavior is often seen as a compulsory way to cope with it. I’m gonna have to watch this like three more times to really digest it...but yeah, I think this is my favorite video of yours yet.
Reading Byung Chul Han's "Psycho-Politics" and burnout and selling yourself is a key featured in this work. His reinterpretation of the Heideggerian being there in the world as a for itself is now being there in the world for others. Speaking about depression, I for one am not chronically depressed but have been from time to time but when I focus on my health, family, wealth and stop thinking so much and instead feel into being once more I begin to live effortlessly for taking care of myself by taking care of those I love around me. In the end I love and admire the works of genius by depressed authors, artists, thinkers but to fetishize the disease over and above the true teaching which I believe is to feel into being once again is to miss the point of the intellectual exercise which comes back to Plato's seeking of the 'good life". I don't know or really 'care'* if that made sense but I recently found and love your videos and editing aesthetic and subject matter. peace. * to say one does not care is a performative contradiction by leaving a comment in the first place.
Watching this on my phone and I am not sure if it is a personal failing or a positive characteristic that I had to reGoogle that Occult Philosophies is by Agrippa. Were psychopolitics fall short at its a thesis, in my opinion is the fact that our modern narrative of achievement is not that modern at it's core, the mental landscape has not changed that much since the time when bitcoin grew in tulip fields.
These sort of videos are always really useful for me to reflect, especially during these times where my depression is a lot more difficult to deal with than normal. Great job with this one, keep it up!!
8:35 onwards was so helpful for me, I'm currently trying to write about Kristeva for an honours project. The whole video is great. Thank you Plastic Pills!
I think that if we felt truly free from having to be someone, from having to do something, it's when we can really shine. Some people will stop doing things, but some people will start doing things, which are potentially much better because they're not forced to do them.
This was incredibly useful to me - I'm working on a series of songs surrounding different interpretations of haunting in modernity, and the perspective of depression as haunting by a false other makes for an interesting contrast with the concept of dysphoria as a haunting by a less-false other. Thanks.
This is really validating to watch. I'm exhausted all the time and it's frustrating to look at art projects and video games that just aren't motivating anymore. I'm simultaneously rushing to get things done before death and struggling to find things to do with my life. Hopefully the rest of this video provides some helpful answers.
HUSTLE • NEVER QUIT • START SOMETHING • BELIEVE IN YOURSELF • "EXCELLENCE" • 24/7 GET OUT OF YOUR OWN WAY • "GREATNESS" • BE THE CHANGE • NO LIMITS • (YOU'RE LAZY) GET ON THE GRIND • "BUSINESS" • 5AM • REDEFINE THE POSSIBLE • ACHIEVE ANYTHING SUCCESS IS A MINDSET • (DON'T COMPLAIN) • DREAM BIGGER • "POSITIVITY" • NEVER DOUBT
Actually this was very uplifting. I do want to dive deeper into the psychoanalyst Mark Fisher once talked about when arguing against the old goodie "It's all just a chemical imbalance." I think it also fits this exact concept you are talking about. I find this uplifting because in the midst of the shitstorm of self help guidance, rich people yoga, drink more water and "go get a job and get motivated you lazy prick", I find that I'm not alone with this feeling. David Foster Wallace and my projection on him helped me a lot during this last year. This is also uplifting because you've referenced Kristeva and I'm finding her thoughts useful for a book analysis or at least some idea that I want to write about in regards to a poetry book I read in a pro-seminar. Thank you very much. This is beyond intellect or pure reason, this touches the fusion of "passion" (emotion) and intellect. THis is a fusion I'm looking for a lot, which is something the academia lacks due to politics etc.
Perfect. The latter half of 2020 took me to a mental state rife with anxiety and depression. For the first time in my life I sought out a mental health professional, but it wasn't until the holiday break when I realized that it was my job that was making me ill. Only working and working from home (COVID) at that, working longer hours than typical because "why not?" I didn't have anything else to do. All of this came to a head just before New Years when I decided to just quit my position, and do nothing for at least a month. Surprisingly, due to the strain I was experiencing, deciding to walk away from a great role at a powerful media company was not difficult. In fact, the decision was SO easy that it made leaving imperative in my mind. Now, tomorrow (2/20/21) marks thirty days since my departure. I have no idea what I'm going to do professionally and I haven't felt this great in fucking years. Thanks for the clarity in this video, Pills.
From Lorca’s Theory and Play of Duende: With idea, sound, gesture, the duende delights in struggling freely with the creator on the edge of the pit. Angel and Muse flee, with violin and compasses, and the duendewounds, and in trying to heal that wound that never heals, lies the strangeness, the inventiveness of a man’s work. Trans by A.S. Kline The last line of this excerpt reminds me of J. Kristeva’s idea of the cathartic process of creating and recreating something new to fill that imaginary void. The last part of this Lorca bit he says this “The duende….Where is the duende? Through the empty archway a wind of the spirit enters, blowing insistently over the heads of the dead, in search of new landscapes and unknown accents: a wind with the odour of a child’s saliva, crushed grass, and medusa’s veil, announcing the endless baptism of freshly created things.” I was in the ICU when I watched this video and 3 campy Blade movies. Perfect video and timing. I’ll be discharged tomorrow. Thank you for this. I didn’t watch this because I was in the ICU or depressed at the time. I watched it because I have bouts of depression and am an artist clearly obsessed with Lorca.
I wonder if this sort of explains my constant chasing of "temporary catharsis" in needlessly complex prog metal music that everyone around me very clearly finds abrasive as hell as it sort of takes that creativity through repetitive deconstruction/reconstruction for its own authentic sake to its core...or something. Idk, just some unproductive noise aka youtube comment for the algorithm god to masquerade as value. Praise be. But seriously, great exploration/aesthetic/creativity as per usual. Reminds me of Kierkegaard too in that notion of despair being an essential part of life itself, but "despair that is ignorant of being despair" being a pervasive veil of inauthentic positivity to fuel social bondages of all kinds.
@@chriscaventer596 (bad comment) Possibly due to the algorithm god only exposing you to Tool. I was getting a Blotted Science feel or something similar from the comment myself.
It's not only that we compel ourselves to do something, is this fear to not do something *quick.* "After 25, your IQ starts to lower and neuroplasticity diminishes, so you gotta graduate, postgraduate, get your PhD and start your career fast!" "Where do you see yourself in 5 years? What's your plan to escalate the social latter?" And it's like... FUCK OFF ALREADY... So what if I get less fit for academia the older I get, I don't care! Why do I have to go to college to worth anything as a human being? Also, nowhere else, I don't want to be anywhere different in 5 years, I like being here.
A tremendous video synthesizing diverse perspectives on depression into a powerful statement offering ideas for liberation. It makes me think that even in the occasional absence of individual creative projects, when a culture has meaningful ritual woven into its fabric, those rites and ceremonies may offer a way to deal with the rupture from the primal self (mother). It would be great to see the text of this published at the Mad in America site.
Is "before the law of the father was the creation of the mother" your own phrasing @plasticpills ?? It's beautiful! Absolutely love your videos, I found you after going through a lot of other philosophy channels. You're an incredible teacher, and an engaging philosopher!
currently reading jean oury's "création et schizophrenie" though i am not sure there is an english translation. it is pretty much the base text for lacanian art mediation, therapy for psychosis. i will have to look into the black sun for it may be useful.
Great video as always! Tbh the wording in the video kinda hard to understand for me but I do get what it means surprisingly somehow, as a half-ass "art creator" and a depressed guy haha. I love this!
What does he mean when he says "to create the self as the other... It is a reaching out to create a definition at the subject's haunted centre"? Can someone explain?
It isn't very clear to me either but I guess he meant creating a self in one's imagination and then blaming it for an absence. Thats what is depression, I guess. The self's center is an utter void which it is too reluctant to believe. The entire stability of the self rests on this notion that it's an 'other'. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Man you should really check out Robert Jordan's wheel of time series it explores the theme of depression and the self in a very fantasy-focused and esoteric way but it is a massively cathartic experience and a real giver of hope
Man's creation of language was awesome man's double edged sword and helped us create you know advance consciousness raso create all of this problems so keep it up dude your Hosmer
hu. so instead of othering ourselves, or other people. we embrace the Other. Expressing ourselves, or even just parts of ourselves. seing the flow in the universe, not as something to go against, but as something to gently ride wherever it takes you.
Take a moment to think about how revolutionary this is, when compared to the public mental health service based on the medical model and fast-cheap cognitive behavioural therapy.
Is depression as seen as a narcissistic wound from the loss of the (m)other, a Lacanian concept? Also, is it basically a failure of the subject to create meaning/fill in the gap of loss created by separation from the mother?
The mention of Narcissus made me think of the work of author & marriage therapist, Terry Real, creator of Relational Life Therapy, & author... I've been reading several of his books lately, & they're very relevant to the topics mentioned in today's video - the titles are: 'I Don’t Want to Talk About It: Overcoming the Secret Legacy of Male Depression', 'How Can I Get Through to You? Reconnecting Men and Women', & 'The New Rules of Marriage: What You Need to Make Love Work'. In his second book, he writes about Narcissus, & his inability to focus on anything but his own beautiful reflection, just as men may find themselves enamoured entirely with maintaining their image, or chasing their ambitions, often to the exclusion of an awareness of their true & full selves, & their relationships with others, & with the outside world. I've really enjoyed Terry's books thus far, & as they're relevant to this video's topics, I thought I'd mention them so others can seek them out, if they so wish, & hopefully benefit from them too, just as I have... 🙂
Im copying all your content
You are really becoming a fabulous UA-camr, I hope to learn how to edit as well as you have learned.
Depression sucks, but it's treatable. There is hope. The mindfulness book "30 Days to Reduce Depression" by Harper Daniels has helped.
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The fact that you guys have managed to fool so many of the naive is commendable.
I guess.
However, you laid it on a bit thick in the first few sentences by using multiple words out of context.
In regards to the science of mental health, this is obviously not your highway.
In light of this, I support taking your taking your stigma and driving it up your shady spot.
Please cover feminist theory
This video perfectly articulates the very real fear I have of never becoming "something", never achieving my dreams; the fear of simply existing, constantly having to reevaluate myself, recreate myself like I'm a fucking product or commodity or something. The burnout is real, man.
I think if you do it for being famous its a pointless journey leaving you with nothing
Me too
Thats it! Thats why I'm scared of success. Because if I succeed it means I can do better, and if I can do better that means I must become better. And If I must become better that means I am not good enough as is. That I must always strive for greatness, for if I don't im not "achieving my full potential".
Thanks for your words which helped me understand myself a bit more!
Your talking about the fear of failure and Im about the fear of success, but the way I see it, fear of success is actually fear of failure with more steps.
@@redlorax5380 Just do you and if you happen to become successful, just treat it for what it is: a blessing, while keeping knowledge in mind that success is fleeting. Don't fear becoming a nobody again after success, or you will become part of the rat race.
I love your point about feeling like a commodity. Last stage capitalist depression man.
"so far successful" :( rip mark fisher
Always.
THANK YOU. HIS WORK CHANGED MY LIFE.
watching this while depressed is the life
please remember that its something that's going through you, you're not going through depression and its not your fault.depression is a natural state and like all natural states it will end. I hope you can find some solace in the little things of your daily life
I think either you are as natural as depression or you are as unnatural as your depression. I lean toward the latter considering how PlasticPills links depressive states to a society which demands production (production which we are alienated from, even if *we* make art or craft for *ourselves* as an attempt to regain what we lost in childhood. This is the mind-blowing anti-Marxist bit 🤯 is it not? Though Marx would respond that in Utopia you never would have lost anything in childhood. But problem is *we* already have. Anyway.). Depression comes from a kind of self-alienation, which, while not caused by you, only you can hope to listen to what your body and your heart has to say about it - all those things that the depressed person actively rejects, perhaps. Professionals are good at teasing out suppressed and repressed thoughts and personality traits.
@@rabbyssi4392 don't you think you can be both as natural as depression and unnatural as depression?primordial-existential or clinical/major depression + situational and societal depression....
@Caedmon Kline saying that ignores the very real every day factors that go into depression however. modern science on the topic recognizes that saying that people have chemical imbalances is like telling someone their brain is broken when in reality its something in their life or about their life causing the underlying issue. that's not to say that chemicals have nothing too do with it or cannot help but blaming neurochemistry is a reductive and ultimately harmful way of looking at mental health issues.
@Caedmon Kline @Caedmon Kline It's goes without saying that depression is neurologically instantiated, but this, by itself, doesn't sufficiently explain depression. Maybe some people have brains that irrevocably cause depression regardless of their life circumstances and environment, but these cases, if they even exist would be the exception (and we don't know if they do exist since it's impossible to disentangle what we're calling neurological/chemical from the social and psychological domains of discourse). Depression has social and psychological causes and remedies and so its explanation must not leave that out.
Also, depression is only helped when the depressed person has easily accessible means of explaining away their depression so as to excuse themselves from making any changes. "Maybe I'm just permanently chemically imbalanced" is a modern analogue of "maybe I'm destined to suffer". If you're a depressed person, you need extraordinary evidence to argue that you yourself have such a brain: a brain that is innately and essentially depressed regardless of how your life played out. As the other commenter brilliantly pointed out, taking "chemical imbalance" to be a sufficient explanation is an example of harmful reductionism.
The content and editing is mind-blowingly good. Amazing work.
Yea, inspire u
Wow you've developed a really cool style on this one! Elevating UA-cam !!
excellent video. describes why some of the most beautiful and profound works of art come from depressives and manic-depressives in that they somehow give form to this ghost that always haunts you and seem to finally articulate this vague Thing that is so transiently grasped, only to inevitably slip away, powering a compulsive need to reattempt its capture, again and again.
The Kristeva quotes are deeply, deeply moving. As someone who is working on his debut novel and had to burn a lot of bridges to make that happen this piece is both painful and amazing. As all art tends to be, really. I became a fan of the channel not too long ago and I have binged on the content. You're doing great work here my man, keep it up!
Massive hug all the way from Venezuela.
This is a fantastic video! I had to share it with my other depressed friends. I had a sneaking suspicion that my depression and burnouts were due to always being expected to be a miracle child solving all the world's problems, but seeing this made it so much clearer that it was simply the overproducitvity of society (which we live in, lol). Always being expected to not do nothing has really be a burden all my life. So I want to say thank you for illustrating this clearly for me to understand better
That's how I've felt 👊
I think with the late capitalism we’re entering, this breed of crippling depression is particularly intense among millennials and “zoomers” ( i hsve sn 18 yo little sister I’m close to so I’m caught up on what the kiddos are doing these days and it seems so much of their subcultures and shared experience is entirely rooted in some type of self deprivation. Like when I was an emo kid loser in HS, I wanted depression and mental health to be something we could be open about snd not judge one another for, but this is not what I meant ;c).
Ironically, I’m now a therapist. I was in therapy for ten years and I loved my therapist dearly and learned so much from her but she could never accurately understand my depression and anxiety. She compared her experience to mine I guess- she could pay her tuition working at nice bars over the summer bevsuse her tuition was like under 4K. I am one level below her now (LSW getting I soon tho). I am 70k in debt roughly thanks to APRs and I had a few grants and scholarships too. She equated my avoidance and fear of doing things on my own/confronting authority to “not being able to go into problem solving mode”. Not trying to brag but I help people solve problems and work through the same distress daily. I can, but the fear of the unknown or knowing how fragile and useless my work snd oresenve is, that’s what made me terrified to check my email for dsys after knowing I missed a class, or barely have the energy to apply to jobs snd make a schedule. It was more implicit but now being a social worker and therapist I’m pretty sure as a human and based on the things she shared over time i don’t think she understood the profound exhaustion and lingering fear and sense of something being off. That’s why I ditched. Psych for SW tho. Because I also have found motivation in organizing and working with activists and creating material change. I prefer the light trauma fatigue because that does give me energy and life
This is profound. I think it just saved my life, for the moment. I’m going to start writing. I have so many metaphors and images come to me in heavy emotions. I think depressed and manic people are tapped into something deep and enlightening.
This spoke a language I understand and was beautifully put together. Nice tone of voice, too. Not a depressing tone. Thank you 🦋🙏🏼🦋
Sometimes I can't tell where my desire is coming from. If I want to work on a project that I'm excited about, is it because I want to see it for myself, or is it because I'm trying to advance myself career wise and pimp it out for social media points? Sometimes I do get started on something I earnestly felt excited to try, but then I had to make it all about me and my perfectionism and it just becomes a metaphor about how I can't control my life and then by the time I'm done I'm so exhausted I hate it.
ouch, feel very close. i sometimes start to write something just to feel this "idle artistry" ending up freezing in thoughts about improving my english or narrative skills and so on. contrary I remember i've spent 6 hours doing a simple mod in skyrim just for my self. it felt great. doing it i had a background thought that i will never be a gamedev or a real modder with projects of historical impact on the skyrim community. just my crappy mod and dosens of random trial-and-fail twicks. guess here is the key - truly be idle amature, non-valuable. not all the time, but to feel relief from the depression.
THIS
@@Ivan-qk2rn and then we must negate the negative with a negative to find out what’s left and what can be added
I usually don't comment on youtube videos, but man...this video is precious. It feels and looks beautiful. The edition completely resonates with the content. Great work!
This one struck home quite a bit. Thank you for making it and making me want to read Kristeva, which I hesitated to open.
The trick of the invisible lens showing the underlying (ideological?) positive injunctions, presented as (negative) freedoms is brilliant.
It's really striking and it gives me the impression that it's what critical theory feels like.
Again thank you for articulating things that I myself struggle with formulating. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I think this is why I started getting into Fisher, D&G (even Zizek in some way, though I tend to feel confused by his thought most of the time).
Once I get some of my shit together I'll start supporting you on Patreon
Brilliant as always, and a long time sufferer of MDD, I have to say it hit pretty hard. Thank you for existing, Pills. Your channel and podcast have really helped me get through this past year.
You have really found your voice. This is at another level. May be your best work yet. Thank you for what you do.
The you tube ads blend in so wonderfully with your videos! They enhance the experience in this channel!
This is very interesting and probably your most artistic video yet. As an artist who also suffers from Major Depression there’s a lot to connect with here...particularly the compulsory nature of creating art.
I’ve actually identified the drive to create art as “not a job” but “a compulsion” in one of my plays and contrast it with market driven activity so that part rang very true, as did the connection with Sysifus.
I’m not sure who any of these people you’re citing are but their perspectives on depression are very interesting.
For me Depression manifests as a weight on me, that becomes such a large part of my internal world that I forget it’s even there and cannot imagine a world where I’m not Depressed. When it lifts I can’t imagine how I ever got through it...whereas it’s twin/flip side of Anxiety seems to take the form of a burning coal in my chest, located just above my heart.
I’m not surprised that this condition has been historically associated with Genius...considering how many creative people have to endure it and how “high achievement” behavior is often seen as a compulsory way to cope with it.
I’m gonna have to watch this like three more times to really digest it...but yeah, I think this is my favorite video of yours yet.
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oof, that "(so far successful)" in the Mark Fisher quote...
Reading Byung Chul Han's "Psycho-Politics" and burnout and selling yourself is a key featured in this work. His reinterpretation of the Heideggerian being there in the world as a for itself is now being there in the world for others. Speaking about depression, I for one am not chronically depressed but have been from time to time but when I focus on my health, family, wealth and stop thinking so much and instead feel into being once more I begin to live effortlessly for taking care of myself by taking care of those I love around me. In the end I love and admire the works of genius by depressed authors, artists, thinkers but to fetishize the disease over and above the true teaching which I believe is to feel into being once again is to miss the point of the intellectual exercise which comes back to Plato's seeking of the 'good life". I don't know or really 'care'* if that made sense but I recently found and love your videos and editing aesthetic and subject matter. peace.
* to say one does not care is a performative contradiction by leaving a comment in the first place.
Watching this on my phone and I am not sure if it is a personal failing or a positive characteristic that I had to reGoogle that Occult Philosophies is by Agrippa. Were psychopolitics fall short at its a thesis, in my opinion is the fact that our modern narrative of achievement is not that modern at it's core, the mental landscape has not changed that much since the time when bitcoin grew in tulip fields.
@plasticpills the more I watch your channel the more I like it. great work.
Most succinct, brutal & complete exploration of these concepts/ experiences, maybe ever. Thanks dude.
I was hoping you would mention Julia kristeva one day. Excited to see this!
These sort of videos are always really useful for me to reflect, especially during these times where my depression is a lot more difficult to deal with than normal. Great job with this one, keep it up!!
8:35 onwards was so helpful for me, I'm currently trying to write about Kristeva for an honours project. The whole video is great. Thank you Plastic Pills!
I think that if we felt truly free from having to be someone, from having to do something, it's when we can really shine. Some people will stop doing things, but some people will start doing things, which are potentially much better because they're not forced to do them.
This was incredibly useful to me - I'm working on a series of songs surrounding different interpretations of haunting in modernity, and the perspective of depression as haunting by a false other makes for an interesting contrast with the concept of dysphoria as a haunting by a less-false other. Thanks.
This is really validating to watch. I'm exhausted all the time and it's frustrating to look at art projects and video games that just aren't motivating anymore. I'm simultaneously rushing to get things done before death and struggling to find things to do with my life. Hopefully the rest of this video provides some helpful answers.
Luckily i haven't had a depressive episode for some time, but this video was still absolutely wonderful, relatable, and inspiring!
As an artist and a fan of durer i love this man i wish more people would do podcasts like tours man love it and keep it up
I was going to comment "this sounds like Byung-Chul Han", but then you immediately quoted him 🤘🏽
HUSTLE • NEVER QUIT • START SOMETHING •
BELIEVE IN YOURSELF • "EXCELLENCE" • 24/7
GET OUT OF YOUR OWN WAY • "GREATNESS" •
BE THE CHANGE • NO LIMITS • (YOU'RE LAZY)
GET ON THE GRIND • "BUSINESS" • 5AM •
REDEFINE THE POSSIBLE • ACHIEVE ANYTHING
SUCCESS IS A MINDSET • (DON'T COMPLAIN) •
DREAM BIGGER • "POSITIVITY" • NEVER DOUBT
This video and the composition of it's content is amazingly brilliant. Thank you.
Actually this was very uplifting. I do want to dive deeper into the psychoanalyst Mark Fisher once talked about when arguing against the old goodie "It's all just a chemical imbalance." I think it also fits this exact concept you are talking about. I find this uplifting because in the midst of the shitstorm of self help guidance, rich people yoga, drink more water and "go get a job and get motivated you lazy prick", I find that I'm not alone with this feeling. David Foster Wallace and my projection on him helped me a lot during this last year.
This is also uplifting because you've referenced Kristeva and I'm finding her thoughts useful for a book analysis or at least some idea that I want to write about in regards to a poetry book I read in a pro-seminar.
Thank you very much. This is beyond intellect or pure reason, this touches the fusion of "passion" (emotion) and intellect. THis is a fusion I'm looking for a lot, which is something the academia lacks due to politics etc.
Perfect. The latter half of 2020 took me to a mental state rife with anxiety and depression. For the first time in my life I sought out a mental health professional, but it wasn't until the holiday break when I realized that it was my job that was making me ill. Only working and working from home (COVID) at that, working longer hours than typical because "why not?" I didn't have anything else to do. All of this came to a head just before New Years when I decided to just quit my position, and do nothing for at least a month.
Surprisingly, due to the strain I was experiencing, deciding to walk away from a great role at a powerful media company was not difficult. In fact, the decision was SO easy that it made leaving imperative in my mind. Now, tomorrow (2/20/21) marks thirty days since my departure. I have no idea what I'm going to do professionally and I haven't felt this great in fucking years. Thanks for the clarity in this video, Pills.
how is it going?
Wasn't expecting the Demiurge to show up in this, love it
No one expects the Demiurge!
Ain't the demiurge omnipresent?
Man, you're knocking it out! Beautiful work again, love it!
This reminds me a bit of Lorca’s idea of the Duende in some artists work.
From Lorca’s Theory and Play of Duende:
With idea, sound, gesture, the duende delights in struggling freely with the creator on the edge of the pit. Angel and Muse flee, with violin and compasses, and the duendewounds, and in trying to heal that wound that never heals, lies the strangeness, the inventiveness of a man’s work.
Trans by A.S. Kline
The last line of this excerpt reminds me of J. Kristeva’s idea of the cathartic process of creating and recreating something new to fill that imaginary void.
The last part of this Lorca bit he says this “The duende….Where is the duende? Through the empty archway a wind of the spirit enters, blowing insistently over the heads of the dead, in search of new landscapes and unknown accents: a wind with the odour of a child’s saliva, crushed grass, and medusa’s veil, announcing the endless baptism of freshly created things.”
I was in the ICU when I watched this video and 3 campy Blade movies. Perfect video and timing. I’ll be discharged tomorrow. Thank you for this. I didn’t watch this because I was in the ICU or depressed at the time. I watched it because I have bouts of depression and am an artist clearly obsessed with Lorca.
i love your channel! you deserve more recognition
I wonder if this sort of explains my constant chasing of "temporary catharsis" in needlessly complex prog metal music that everyone around me very clearly finds abrasive as hell as it sort of takes that creativity through repetitive deconstruction/reconstruction for its own authentic sake to its core...or something.
Idk, just some unproductive noise aka youtube comment for the algorithm god to masquerade as value. Praise be. But seriously, great exploration/aesthetic/creativity as per usual. Reminds me of Kierkegaard too in that notion of despair being an essential part of life itself, but "despair that is ignorant of being despair" being a pervasive veil of inauthentic positivity to fuel social bondages of all kinds.
Yo we got a Tool fan ovah here! (Good comment though)
@@chriscaventer596 (bad comment) Possibly due to the algorithm god only exposing you to Tool. I was getting a Blotted Science feel or something similar from the comment myself.
5:37 true. once i stopped blaming myself i actually felt better
Click on all the adds fellas we must support this guy any way we can
Aaaah man another one.... I read some of these books recently! You have one of the best channels man
This was brilliant, felt poetic all along the way
Incredible. Simply amazing. Bravo!
Cheers, man. Didn't know I needed to hear that.
It's not only that we compel ourselves to do something, is this fear to not do something *quick.* "After 25, your IQ starts to lower and neuroplasticity diminishes, so you gotta graduate, postgraduate, get your PhD and start your career fast!" "Where do you see yourself in 5 years? What's your plan to escalate the social latter?" And it's like... FUCK OFF ALREADY... So what if I get less fit for academia the older I get, I don't care! Why do I have to go to college to worth anything as a human being? Also, nowhere else, I don't want to be anywhere different in 5 years, I like being here.
A tremendous video synthesizing diverse perspectives on depression into a powerful statement offering ideas for liberation. It makes me think that even in the occasional absence of individual creative projects, when a culture has meaningful ritual woven into its fabric, those rites and ceremonies may offer a way to deal with the rupture from the primal self (mother). It would be great to see the text of this published at the Mad in America site.
Great video as always my friend! Even better with music that sounds like Fallout: New Vegas ambience. (Idk why just gives me Fallout vibes lol)
I just subscribed to your channel
@@bugsythetwin3022 Hey, appreciate that!
@@epochphilosophy thank you for commenting so you could get past the algorithm your stuff is a great POV
thank you Pills.
The captions calling byung chul Han Béyonce at around 10:00 was pretty funny. Or a horrific capitalist nightmare, I can't always tell the difference.
Is "before the law of the father was the creation of the mother" your own phrasing @plasticpills ?? It's beautiful! Absolutely love your videos, I found you after going through a lot of other philosophy channels. You're an incredible teacher, and an engaging philosopher!
currently reading jean oury's "création et schizophrenie" though i am not sure there is an english translation. it is pretty much the base text for lacanian art mediation, therapy for psychosis. i will have to look into the black sun for it may be useful.
Depressed that this isn't subtitled in Esperanto.
7:59 " the bad things" thanks for being open with your bias. The music and sound effects throughout the video mark this as entertainment.
So glad I stumbled on this channel - unsure who its creator is but this is exceptional stuff
I'm genuinely impressed on a level not generally found on.... This. So the poets shrieked
This is an exceptional video @PlasticPills!
0:07 on Linux Mint that's the default sound when you mount a USB drive. So for a sec I thought I unplugged something.
Awesome video! I loved that you talked about Byung-Chul Han!
thank you for another great video
My boi Byung Chul Han getting some shine! I like it. More Byung Chul Han plz
Why isn't he more talked about?
Funnily, I had an ad by Pastor Andy Thompson about not letting oneself verbalize negative thoughts when watching this video
laughing out loud just because predictable subtitles say "beyonce" at 10:08
same
The "yes we can" montage makes me think a collaboration with Vic Berger could be great
Great video as always! Tbh the wording in the video kinda hard to understand for me but I do get what it means surprisingly somehow, as a half-ass "art creator" and a depressed guy haha. I love this!
This is just great! Thank you very much. I can identify with a lot of what’s discussed.
Rest in peace Mark Fisher
What does he mean when he says "to create the self as the other... It is a reaching out to create a definition at the subject's haunted centre"? Can someone explain?
It isn't very clear to me either but I guess he meant creating a self in one's imagination and then blaming it for an absence. Thats what is depression, I guess. The self's center is an utter void which it is too reluctant to believe. The entire stability of the self rests on this notion that it's an 'other'. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Recession, depression, creativity. 2021
You are an amazing person Pills, I love you.
Beautiful; thank you so much.
Man you should really check out Robert Jordan's wheel of time series it explores the theme of depression and the self in a very fantasy-focused and esoteric way but it is a massively cathartic experience and a real giver of hope
good to see your intro is still 2009 earrape
This was great, thank you!
Can't wait 🤗🤗
Excellent work! keep up
I'm not crying you are
Were both crying
Man's creation of language was awesome man's double edged sword and helped us create you know advance consciousness raso create all of this problems so keep it up dude your Hosmer
hu. so instead of othering ourselves, or other people. we embrace the Other. Expressing ourselves, or even just parts of ourselves. seing the flow in the universe, not as something to go against, but as something to gently ride wherever it takes you.
congrats for the editing and content
Interesting references!
Kristeva video? Please?
Take a moment to think about how revolutionary this is, when compared to the public mental health service based on the medical model and fast-cheap cognitive behavioural therapy.
A very refreshing take
can you do videos on Jung
i think somewhere he said he would, but in the vague future - as he is an author of most prolific works and vast themes..
Is there a way I can help in making Spanish subtitles for this video?
¡Sería genial! Creo recordar que des de el ordenador YT te da la opción de añadir subtítulos. Luego de añadirlos, el autor tiene que aceptarlos.
Why the subliminal text on the right at 13:00?
Is depression as seen as a narcissistic wound from the loss of the (m)other, a Lacanian concept? Also, is it basically a failure of the subject to create meaning/fill in the gap of loss created by separation from the mother?
The mention of Narcissus made me think of the work of author & marriage therapist, Terry Real, creator of Relational Life Therapy, & author... I've been reading several of his books lately, & they're very relevant to the topics mentioned in today's video - the titles are: 'I Don’t Want to Talk About It: Overcoming the Secret Legacy of Male Depression', 'How Can I Get Through to You? Reconnecting Men and Women', &
'The New Rules of Marriage: What You Need to Make Love Work'. In his second book, he writes about Narcissus, & his inability to focus on anything but his own beautiful reflection, just as men may find themselves enamoured entirely with maintaining their image, or chasing their ambitions, often to the exclusion of an awareness of their true & full selves, & their relationships with others, & with the outside world. I've really enjoyed Terry's books thus far, & as they're relevant to this video's topics, I thought I'd mention them so others can seek them out, if they so wish, & hopefully benefit from them too, just as I have... 🙂
There is a hole in my abdomen that sucks,
a void that cannot be filled,
so instead of filling it,
I use it like a jet engine.
Creativity is buying potatoes with water, then selling it for a dance move
Thank you.
Can relate, great video
This is great work.
I think I'm starting to taste what's yours... It seems really really good. You don't see this around. Thanks
Even world renowned author Hermann Hesse ("Steppenwolf") had a severe depression !
This video is incredible.
I really enjoyed this.
Are you familar with Melanie Klein's ideas about envy? Do they add anything ?
Thank you for reinforcing my delusions about myself.
Hot Fuck, @ Me whydoncha, I feel this video in my core.