You are doing a remarkable job in informing people for free about this complex surgery. Real respect. This could even a case study for doctors and students.
My story is hard to share due to how long I’ve struggled. I was 12 when I lengthened my tib/fibs with the Illizarov device and then my femurs when I was 15 with the Hoffman device. I experienced a lot of the complications identified in the video, and a lifetime of physiotherapy, at 44 years old, I have a hip and a knee replaced and I need my other hip and knee replaced. I wouldn’t say the inches are worth the chronic pain that comes along with the height.
Hi Vic, is there a way to tell a difference to identify between a mild muscle contracture and a major one? Same for nerve irritation / damage. Thanks in advance
Don't you think 3% of death rate is too much for such surgery? or did you mean the rate of getting fat embolism syndrome after the surgery is 3% not death?@@Cyborg4Life
I don’t know about death rate but I got staphylococcus 8 years after my last lengthening procedure. They said there was a capsule of infection inside my body. My body built the capsule to protect itself but when I increased my exercise the capsule broke and the infection grew. When it was finally diagnosed, it was a nightmare to fight off. Turned out things just got worse and a few years later I got Ostiomialitis which has almost resulted in my leg being amputated. I promise that I kept my pin sights clean but the infection could have come from the operating room too. It’s been a hell of a fight and my bones are deteriorating and filled with osteoarthritis. So…it’s like being alive but also dead because it hurts all the time and I’ve had multiple hospital visits, procedures, tests and treatments. I’m just waiting for the next bad thing to happen. So, mental health takes a beating. Living in the present, taking good care of your health and making the most of everything is critical.
@@bonbonburnettI am very sorry to hear that my friend, Do you have instagram or facebook? i would like to talk to you about my case, i will soon undergo this surgery and it would be great if you could share your experiences with me
Does lengthening with purely external systems means we can completely eliminate the risk of fat embolism as no reaming and insertion of nails are required
Just wanted to mention since I haven't seen this be mentioned before. Limb lengthening of the femur WILL most likely decrease athletic performance in a lot of aspects. The hamstrings, quads, etc are most likely fine because they attach below the lengthening point. The glutes attach above it. They will have a worse moment arm and can not generate as much momentum because of it.
@@questionsin-sz8fl I think it will depend on the use case. There are athletic advantages to having long legs and short legs. My main point is that it is ONLY a disadvantage to have your glutes attach to a higher point on the femur. Your ass will be less able to generate torque than someone with natural legs of the same length. You probably would not be able to jump as high comparatively as a percentage of your total height but your new height may contribute to an overall higher jump. There isn't really a way to know without data which is what we don't have
@@questionsin-sz8fl If you lengthen the tibia you will generate less torque through it. You will not be able to kick(knee extension) as hard as someone with a natural leg that also has the same quality and amount of muscle mass
@@sahilshetty9290 No, I'm considering it but I'll probably wait until there's more info. I'm 5'11" and I was thinking an increase of 2 inches might not affect me all that much athletically but I know it would make me happier with my height.
What is typical done in cases where oatiesnts have bow legs? Does corrwctivw surgery have to be done before hans or Is it possible to do the bow legged corrective surgery at the same time as the ll surgery or does the ll surgery itself take care of it?
Hey Victor, appreciate your work, I have a question. i want to grow 8cm on my femur, cosmetic reasons. I’m from Brasil, train a lot of Brazilian jiu jitsu and with pro athletes such Rodolfo Vieira, that surgery will interfer in my athletics capabilities and maybe fragility?
I would say it could in short term but over time you should be able to get back most of your athleticism but I would recommend waiting till done sport to get LL
Vector, some of the complications do need constant check up by the doctor and the surgeon you performed the surgery with. What if someone does surgery out of state? Many doctors might not be as cooperative as others so can you get it checked up by a local doc to examine your problems instead of the ones that performed on you?
It can be done with certain surgeons but you risk greater complications since the ability for rapid follow up is diminished if an issue pops up. For this reason Paley requires all his patients to remain in the area during the lengthening process.
@@NJ-lu6wu it's gonna be quite expensive for a student to stay in another country for that long though so, I don't really have a choice other than returning back.
@@BloxianLegend you can do it, you just have to be extra careful and proactive about any issues you see pop up. I think people get into trouble when they notice a problem but don’t mention anything to the doctor. When you’re far away the lack of communication can exacerbate this. You also should be prepared to fly out on short notice should any significant issues arise. I don’t think anyone is prepped to handle LL complications more than your surgeon.
@@NJ-lu6wu true, the surgeon who performed on me most certainly will have more knowledge about my complications. By the way do you have any social platform where I could communicate with you? Discord or smth?
Just discovered your channel and am going through your videos, some topics I'd be interested in if you haven't already covered/video ideas: - recovery timeline, I read on reddit it takes 3 months before you can even walk again not sure if true, how long after surgery can you go biking or engage in contact sports without worrying about your legs being fragile. - can things like TB500, BPC157, or HGH be used to enhance healing, you said in one video that healing too fast can cause problems so maybe not but is there ever a time where adding this stuff in can help or do you know if clinics prescribe anything like this. for example starting a 6-month HGH cycle 6 months after limb lengthening surgery. A video on peptides and healing would be interesting. - when you pick limb lengthening surgery do you just say how much height you want, like if you want 3 inches extra in femur do you just order it or is it more a range/goal height you give them but they cant guarantee specific height gain as everyone heals differently? - derek from more plates more dates said he might make a video on limb lengthening n a recent short posted on his channel, might be worth sending him a DM on IG or something to see if he might be interested in interview.
Hey there thanks so much for checking through the content. You have great ideas for future videos. I will see about adding some of them into the content list. I have the one like walking on the channel: ua-cam.com/users/shortsK9pCpk3tELI. Usually it's you aim for a lengthening goal and try to see if you can get there. Oh did he really? yeah I don't know how I would get in contact with him? Also wondering what we would talk about since he wants to ask patient questions but I think his angle would be a dramatic one but I think it could be cool. I'll look into it thanks
Great video! Can you do a video on the amount that can be lengthened if tibia and femur are done within short period of time like within a month? Is it better to finish lengthening one then do the other? Thanks in advance!
I think you should ask paley this question next time, out of all the patients he’s ever treated which one has recovered the quickest. Maybe we can learn from that person😂
My question for you would be do you experience any pain maybe hips or tibia? Do you walk without any pain. How many cm did you gain bro? I can wait 3years ti be back to few athletic abilities
Victor what about demyelination .. My friend had lengthen 11cm approx and due to weakness he test for nerve conduction study and his report says active demyelination ..
I have only heard of very negligible nerve velocity conduction loss in some discrepancy patients from a research article so I am not sure about demyelination I would have to look more into it. Thanks for bringing it up
My body is asking for limb lengthening lol😂 when I sit down I am as tall as people that are lot taller than me standing up, I have long arms and torso but shorter legs
100% dedication to physiotherapy. Do your exercises every hour and a half / at least 6 times a day if you can. Only take 1 day off a week if you’re suffering in pain.
It's almost five years after my femur lengthening and I have moderate pain in my hip flexors. I can't even get up from a chair without limping and stooping over for 30 seconds. Terrible.
It’s not the doctor’s fault. I am in my late 50’s and I am a couch potato. I never workout. My glutes are very weak and supposedly this is not helping matters. I still don’t regret it tho’.
You have one chance of a medication course called G-flex V supplement that could make a thickness of your cartilages of vertebrae making you 4-6 cm taller in one year (I have tested it and growed 4.5 cm )
You are doing a remarkable job in informing people for free about this complex surgery. Real respect. This could even a case study for doctors and students.
I'm from Morocco 🇲🇦 I want to tell you you are the best ❤ 👊🏽
Thank you - greetings from the USA
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@@Sigma-99r Wash a khouna! Kat fakar dir had 3amaliya?
Im from algeria 😂😂😂😂
And done this surgery
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@@Random_emarati fin dirtiha akho?
This is great information. I wish this information was available when I had my legs lengthened in the 90’s. I’ve paid the price for a long time. 😢
Can you please elaborate on your story a bit? Curious what technology they used back then and your quality of life since.
I imagine they used external frames right?
You're a female why would you need to lengthen
Yeah share your story
My story is hard to share due to how long I’ve struggled. I was 12 when I lengthened my tib/fibs with the Illizarov device and then my femurs when I was 15 with the Hoffman device. I experienced a lot of the complications identified in the video, and a lifetime of physiotherapy, at 44 years old, I have a hip and a knee replaced and I need my other hip and knee replaced. I wouldn’t say the inches are worth the chronic pain that comes along with the height.
Hi Vic, is there a way to tell a difference to identify between a mild muscle contracture and a major one? Same for nerve irritation / damage. Thanks in advance
What is the death rate caused by fat embolism in ll surgeries, Do you have statistics?
Surgeons on my channel have mentioned it being below 3% and in very experienced hands less than 1%
Don't you think 3% of death rate is too much for such surgery? or did you mean the rate of getting fat embolism syndrome after the surgery is 3% not death?@@Cyborg4Life
Dror paley has 0% death rate due to fat embolism
I don’t know about death rate but I got staphylococcus 8 years after my last lengthening procedure. They said there was a capsule of infection inside my body. My body built the capsule to protect itself but when I increased my exercise the capsule broke and the infection grew. When it was finally diagnosed, it was a nightmare to fight off. Turned out things just got worse and a few years later I got Ostiomialitis which has almost resulted in my leg being amputated. I promise that I kept my pin sights clean but the infection could have come from the operating room too. It’s been a hell of a fight and my bones are deteriorating and filled with osteoarthritis. So…it’s like being alive but also dead because it hurts all the time and I’ve had multiple hospital visits, procedures, tests and treatments. I’m just waiting for the next bad thing to happen. So, mental health takes a beating. Living in the present, taking good care of your health and making the most of everything is critical.
@@bonbonburnettI am very sorry to hear that my friend, Do you have instagram or facebook? i would like to talk to you about my case, i will soon undergo this surgery and it would be great if you could share your experiences with me
Does lengthening with purely external systems means we can completely eliminate the risk of fat embolism as no reaming and insertion of nails are required
Never 100% risk free but it's less likely
Just wanted to mention since I haven't seen this be mentioned before.
Limb lengthening of the femur WILL most likely decrease athletic performance in a lot of aspects.
The hamstrings, quads, etc are most likely fine because they attach below the lengthening point.
The glutes attach above it. They will have a worse moment arm and can not generate as much momentum because of it.
So tibia is better?
@@questionsin-sz8fl I think it will depend on the use case. There are athletic advantages to having long legs and short legs.
My main point is that it is ONLY a disadvantage to have your glutes attach to a higher point on the femur. Your ass will be less able to generate torque than someone with natural legs of the same length.
You probably would not be able to jump as high comparatively as a percentage of your total height but your new height may contribute to an overall higher jump.
There isn't really a way to know without data which is what we don't have
@@questionsin-sz8fl If you lengthen the tibia you will generate less torque through it. You will not be able to kick(knee extension) as hard as someone with a natural leg that also has the same quality and amount of muscle mass
Have you done this surgery? Just curious
@@sahilshetty9290 No, I'm considering it but I'll probably wait until there's more info.
I'm 5'11" and I was thinking an increase of 2 inches might not affect me all that much athletically but I know it would make me happier with my height.
Hola Víctor, tengo una pregunta. ¿Dónde es más probable contraer una infección profunda en la tibia o el fémur y cuál sería el porcentaje?
What is typical done in cases where oatiesnts have bow legs? Does corrwctivw surgery have to be done before hans or Is it possible to do the bow legged corrective surgery at the same time as the ll surgery or does the ll surgery itself take care of it?
Sometimes can do it simultaneously but surgeon will be able to tell
I want to know the probability of complications occurring, and how long it will take to return to normal life?
Watch one of the surgeon videos on complications from LIVE Episode 59
Hey victor, i have a question. Where is it most likely to get a deep infection in the tibia or femur, and what would the percentage be?
Both can be just as likely I'd think
Hey Victor, appreciate your work, I have a question. i want to grow 8cm on my femur, cosmetic reasons. I’m from Brasil, train a lot of Brazilian jiu jitsu and with pro athletes such Rodolfo Vieira, that surgery will interfer in my athletics capabilities and maybe fragility?
I would say it could in short term but over time you should be able to get back most of your athleticism but I would recommend waiting till done sport to get LL
Hey, bro, can bone growth cause changes to the original muscle insertion?
No just the belly of the muscle
Hello Victor, I have a question. Where are you most likely to get a deep infection in the tibia or femur and what would the percentage be?
It can happen anywhere bacteria seeps in so not sure there's a huge difference but probably the tibias since the bone is so much closer to the surface
What are the chances of those happening?
I wanna know too
Surgeons have mentioned embolisms in skilled hands is less than 1-3%
Vector, some of the complications do need constant check up by the doctor and the surgeon you performed the surgery with. What if someone does surgery out of state? Many doctors might not be as cooperative as others so can you get it checked up by a local doc to examine your problems instead of the ones that performed on you?
It can be done with certain surgeons but you risk greater complications since the ability for rapid follow up is diminished if an issue pops up. For this reason Paley requires all his patients to remain in the area during the lengthening process.
@@NJ-lu6wu it's gonna be quite expensive for a student to stay in another country for that long though so, I don't really have a choice other than returning back.
@@BloxianLegend you can do it, you just have to be extra careful and proactive about any issues you see pop up. I think people get into trouble when they notice a problem but don’t mention anything to the doctor. When you’re far away the lack of communication can exacerbate this. You also should be prepared to fly out on short notice should any significant issues arise. I don’t think anyone is prepped to handle LL complications more than your surgeon.
@@NJ-lu6wu true, the surgeon who performed on me most certainly will have more knowledge about my complications. By the way do you have any social platform where I could communicate with you? Discord or smth?
Just discovered your channel and am going through your videos, some topics I'd be interested in if you haven't already covered/video ideas:
- recovery timeline, I read on reddit it takes 3 months before you can even walk again not sure if true, how long after surgery can you go biking or engage in contact sports without worrying about your legs being fragile.
- can things like TB500, BPC157, or HGH be used to enhance healing, you said in one video that healing too fast can cause problems so maybe not but is there ever a time where adding this stuff in can help or do you know if clinics prescribe anything like this. for example starting a 6-month HGH cycle 6 months after limb lengthening surgery. A video on peptides and healing would be interesting.
- when you pick limb lengthening surgery do you just say how much height you want, like if you want 3 inches extra in femur do you just order it or is it more a range/goal height you give them but they cant guarantee specific height gain as everyone heals differently?
- derek from more plates more dates said he might make a video on limb lengthening n a recent short posted on his channel, might be worth sending him a DM on IG or something to see if he might be interested in interview.
Hey there thanks so much for checking through the content. You have great ideas for future videos. I will see about adding some of them into the content list. I have the one like walking on the channel: ua-cam.com/users/shortsK9pCpk3tELI.
Usually it's you aim for a lengthening goal and try to see if you can get there.
Oh did he really? yeah I don't know how I would get in contact with him? Also wondering what we would talk about since he wants to ask patient questions but I think his angle would be a dramatic one but I think it could be cool. I'll look into it thanks
Great video! Can you do a video on the amount that can be lengthened if tibia and femur are done within short period of time like within a month? Is it better to finish lengthening one then do the other?
Thanks in advance!
Hmmm well that's quite dependent on the patient but usually it's about 10cm total - 5 and 5 but sometimes 6 and 4.
Hey, i just want 4-5 cm in femur. Is it safe range without any complications
Most likely but the surgeon will monitor your progress during lengthening
I think you should ask paley this question next time, out of all the patients he’s ever treated which one has recovered the quickest. Maybe we can learn from that person😂
My question for you would be do you experience any pain maybe hips or tibia? Do you walk without any pain. How many cm did you gain bro? I can wait 3years ti be back to few athletic abilities
No pain and if you rehab Well enough you should have no long term pain or complications. 18 months you should be back to a significant
@@Cyborg4Life oh that's cool to no from a person whose done it already
Victor what about demyelination .. My friend had lengthen 11cm approx and due to weakness he test for nerve conduction study and his report says active demyelination ..
I have only heard of very negligible nerve velocity conduction loss in some discrepancy patients from a research article so I am not sure about demyelination I would have to look more into it. Thanks for bringing it up
What’s with the laser eye thumbnail lol
Lol not sure - editor added his own spin on it ; )
what about potential pain for life later on
That's possible due to one of the avoidable complicaitons
@@Cyborg4Life what will you do if that happens to you?
Is 10 cm a lot if you do femur and tibia?
6 fem 4 tib good and easy one
No that's pretty conservative
My body is asking for limb lengthening lol😂 when I sit down I am as tall as people that are lot taller than me standing up, I have long arms and torso but shorter legs
please any tips on how to bend the knees after leg length discrepancy surgery
100% dedication to physiotherapy. Do your exercises every hour and a half / at least 6 times a day if you can. Only take 1 day off a week if you’re suffering in pain.
@@bonbonburnettYou are experienced
I really love your video，but I still wanna know the risk of it
The percentage?
@@Cyborg4Life maybe
Maybe there maybe some evaluations
It's almost five years after my femur lengthening and I have moderate pain in my hip flexors. I can't even get up from a chair without limping and stooping over for 30 seconds. Terrible.
Who did you do it with
So I can avoid them
@@Karuska22ps+1
Where did you do it?
It’s not the doctor’s fault. I am in my late 50’s and I am a couch potato. I never workout. My glutes are very weak and supposedly this is not helping matters. I still don’t regret it tho’.
Hey bro do you give me permission to transalte yout videos to spanish? For the information (not money)
Hi there - so there should be a spanish subtitle option in the CC or settings of the video player no?
@@Cyborg4Lifeyou can use ai to translate your videos in Spanish
is there a way to elongate torso? cuz i have long legs and short torso but im small so i cant even get LL
Unfortunately no lengthening of the torso has been done for cosmetic reasons
You have one chance of a medication course called G-flex V supplement that could make a thickness of your cartilages of vertebrae making you 4-6 cm taller in one year
(I have tested it and growed 4.5 cm )
Jesus Christ how can anyone do this after watching this video! It’s best not to do more than 6cm for the femur
Iv done 7.7 cm
And i fine